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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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At the risk of sounding like a go back in
time and try and claim something that maybe a lot
of people would find surprising. I wasn't that surprised with
what happened last night in Dallas. I really wasn't. I

(02:35):
felt like Philly was in a tough spot. You pointed
out on Friday. It's been kind of a gauntlet they've
been through, and Dallas seemed like they were ready for
a little revenge, if you call it. And the way
the game played out, fumbles, mistakes by the Eagles, and
Dallas put him on him last night. And Cowboy fans
probably feel good about themselves considering they felt like they

(02:56):
should have won the first time they played.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, And I think if you go back and
watched last night's game, it felt pretty lopsided, you know,
it felt to a degree too, I think similar to
probably how Philly fans fell watching San Francisco coming in and
dismantle them. I mean that's how last night fell too, really,
with Philly never really threatening at any point and the
fumbles became an issue. And I just I think if

(03:20):
you're looking at this Eagles team, they've been through since
really November fifth, when they first played Dallas. Yeah, they
had the buy in between, but at KC Buffalo, San Francisco,
at Dallas, and now you can by the way you
go back to back weeks on the road. They go
to Seattle next week. It has been a brutal schedule
for Philly right now and you could see probably some

(03:43):
frustration too.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
But more importantly we.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Now know looking at the NFC playoff picture, Dallas is
up to the number two seed. Dallas is the lead
in the NFC East and it'll be interesting to see
if they can continue to build on. But good for McCarthy,
who you know, I think coming in this seasons, really
the past couple of years, it's been pressure on him
right like that.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
We're talking at times like.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Dan Quinn might unseat him as the head coach because
the defense has been so good since since deke Q
has been there and Mike McCarthy took over play calling duties,
and how good does the offense look right now? Dak
being a legit MVP candicate probably the leader right now.
As far as for the MVP, in my opinion, him
and Lamar Jackson, I would guarantee would be the two
betting favorites. It's just it's an incredible turnaround from the

(04:30):
narrative and what it was at some points in time
last season.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, and there was the feeling that, Okay, well he's
moving on from Kellen Moore, but this is sort of
last chance bailout time. And then you see Dak Prescott
playing the way that he's played. It's it's awesome for them.
As you mentioned just moments ago talking about the schedule
for the Philadelphia Eagles, so Kansas City, Buffalo, San fran Dallas.

(04:54):
If I'm not mistaken, if memory serves me correct, what
we're saying is in consecutive weeks they played basically every
team outside of I think Cincinnati was the other one,
but every team that was in the top five or
six of preseason Super Bowl favorites. That is what that
is what Philly had to.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Do with the last month and a half or last
month plus, which, by the way, that is a that's
just a hot, sizzling take right there to throw that
out there. But how often times the top five or
six actually do Jack squad Let's get of the season?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Maybe half those teams. Yeah, so that's a sizling take
for you.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Now, do you want to hear from your guy, Nick Sirianni.
You want to hear a little Nick Sirianni post game?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I'd love to.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean, you know, it's it's a little unfortunate they
you know, guys get emotional at times on the sidelines,
and there's a lot of Dallas fans who may or
may not have had some signs there too.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's part of the game. I get it.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
But yeah, it's just it's tough. You know, it's tough.
Some of these guys get get exposed like that.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
So Nick Sirianni postgame talked about just sort of his
mindset and what the team's mindset should be after going
through consecutive blowout losses last week to the Niners, this
week to the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Everybody that's in that locker room has been through in
their lives and has made it to this point. They've
made it to this point because of that they've been through.
And so that adversity has made a lot of us
in that in that locker room where we are today,
and we got to remember that we're going to internalize
that and we got to you know, make sure that

(06:28):
the adversity that we're facing right now, we are we're
able to uh to get through and uh make sure
we get better from him.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
So that was Nick Sirianni Brady's guy, the pison passion
of the Philadelphia a.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Lot of passion by passion for coach.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
By the way, we also should uh should acknowledge this,
Uh Philly is now oh one without Big Dob of
the sidelines.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I mean technically could say, oh it too.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
It's with him getting you know, kicked off the field
for sanfrad too.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
But yeah, not available to be on the sideline, but
he was available to do all his other duties, everything else,
every other task that was that was put together there.
So I feel like, you know, there were some people
that were outraged by it. It's like, first of all,
did anybody notice Big down before last week? And all?

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, But I also think that's why people were outraged
by it, because people did notice them, and the only
reason they noticed them was because Drake Greenlaw is pulling
his hand right in his face in the in the
shape of a gun, which.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
By the way, gets buried and all that.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Right, but it's like that's really the only reason why
anyone knew like what his kind of rule was. And
then you get all the people, well they had a
bounce on this side. No dude, he's been on the
security in front office for a while. But social media
really is the worst place to go to get any
of these takes. Like people are so stupid, and yet

(07:45):
they all think they're experts because they see a still
shot somewhere on social media and so now they really
want to give their expert opinion.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
It's amazing he.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Put a glock in his face. It's the old things
Hilaire is but no big dom and turned out.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Think about the NFL meeting about that, right, you know,
like like they're having a meeting like.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
They're you know, two elementary school kids get some of
the principal's office, like Roger's sitting there like all right, Philly,
let's hear your case. What happened there Dom all right, Sanfran,
well you tell us what happened with Drake Greeny.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, He's like, I've got more porn stuff to do.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
I've really got to talk about whether or not he
could be on the sidelines because a player got up
in his face and they started going back and forth.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
As the whole thing's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Now, Dak Prescott postgame. Now, normally this doesn't happen. But
I think you should also take a bow because it's
one of yours, one of your own.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
There.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
The kicking performance was mentioned by Dak Prescott a post
game on NBC that okay, sucker, And so I wanted
because I do want to get into that with you,
because I was wondering that when I'm watching him nail
fifty plus and sixty yards vehicles last night and he's
not missing a damn kick the entire season, but he
was a Cowboys quarterback just sort of shared a little

(09:02):
bit of love postgame.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
A lot of great players and plays around me. Honestly,
I don't think that was my best night, far from it.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
But when you got a defense like this that holds
him at six points, a kicker thout kick it from
anywhere and guys making plays.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
They make my job easier, So thankful for them.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Okay, why didn't he kick at Notre Dame?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I do not know.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
He did play men's soccer, which it's obviously the same
season as Notre Dames men's soccer team tonight that's playing
for the national championship versus Clemson.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
So how about that.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
And the current goalkeeper on Notre Dame, Brian Dowd is
his name. He is a kicker on Notre Dame's football team,
although he hasn't been the first string kicker for whatever reason.
But again probably availability plays a little bit of a
role in that. But I can't speak to exactly why.
But you clearly if you watched him kick this year,

(09:56):
you would wonder and ask that question.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
He he's incredible.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Was usfl or l Yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
USFL But look at not all.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
You know soccer players can translate into you know, becoming
a kicker.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It takes time, and in.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
This case, you know they're focusing more on their their
initial sport before they want to focus on football. And
maybe that if you want to call it a pipe dream,
whatever I call it, But you know he was he
was there. I mean, like I said, Brian Down's there
now they're goalkeepers about ready to hopefully win a national championship.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
For Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
He played phenomenal semis by the way, but no, it's
it's I don't know exactly know.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
How that can you claim it as a Notre Damer
because he didn't play football.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
He only played for Ben's Soccer. Yeah, that's all the
moderates where he graduated from.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Because I mean this is one of, like amongst many
a take that just did not age well for me.
When they signed him in the offseason, I thought it
was just Jerry Jones trying to make a weird signing
when you had Mason Crosby, who might McCarthy was familiar with,
and other guys that were available at that time, and
I was just sort of mocking Jerry Jones, like, oh,
typical Jerry Jones. He had kicking issues last year. The

(11:09):
guy couldn't hit pats and now he's gonna go and
this guy's got out and not missed a kick and
makes it look easy that that sixty yarder he made
with ten yards clearance, it seemed like but just no issues.
What's he's got?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
A man? He makes it look easy too, don't they?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah? Good God, So the Dallas Cowboys. Everything working well
for the Dallas Cowboys. Now. I threw this question at
you last week, you and LeVar on Friday, I think
it was Thursday or Friday, and I asked you, what
would your guest be on the odds to win the
NFC East right now? Like, if you had to guess,
what would you say? Who's the favorite? And what what is?

(11:43):
What are the odds currently right now to date? Here
on December eleventh, the morning after Dallas wipes out Philly
on primetime, I would.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Say it's Dallas now at minus minus one.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
So I am showing, courtesy of our friends at DraftKings,
that the bet right now if you wanted to bet
on the NFC East and the winner of the NFC East,
that the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Or minus three fifty.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I'm sorry, what Philadelphia's minus three fifty?

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Am I missing something?

Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's just what I'm reading so interesting?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
And then so what's Dallas at.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
That Dallas is a plus two to seventy. I don't
get it.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Now, Well, I will say this go back through the
rest of Dallas's schedule, the rest of the way.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, I know, Dallas has got a rough stretch as
well too.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, well, I wouldn't say stretch, I would say Phillies.
The most difficult part of that schedules is done.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
So Dallas is at Buffalo, then they're at Miami, then
they've got the Lions, and then they're at the Commander's.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, and that's three tough games in a row and
honestly divisional opponent of the Commanders, who who knows where.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
They'll be at that point.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
But it's not an easy trek Ford, where Philly sounded
a little easier.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I think when we've looked at it a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Is this just dack shade, Like nobody wants to give
him a little bit of love, Like nobody wants to
just say, you know, maybe this isn't the quarterback that's gonna,
you know, struggle in these spots. I don't see Sam.
The only team that concerns me about Dallas, and we'll
get into the Niners later on, is what they've done
against the Niners over the past couple of years. That's
the team that concerns me. But I look at Dallas
and I go they look great, and I have more

(13:23):
concerns about Philadelphia. I still don't know whether or not
Jalen Hurts is one hundred percent. I just I look
at Philly and I go, that's the team that appears
like defensively, there's some stuff going on there. They've got
some issues, but minus three point fifty to win.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, maybe because of this, they're tied with the same
excuse me, same record both at ten and three, Dallas
currently sitting ahead of them.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
But you just listed off the.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Four teams that Dallas has to play. Philly has to
go to Seattle. We don't know if it's gonna be
excuse me, it's gonna be Gino Smith or not is
Drew Locke this past wee because the Groydon's Yeah, then
they play the Giants, the Cardinals, and that the Giants.
I think they played one team which you know that

(14:09):
you'd say is somewhat competitive, not a not not a
team with a winning record the rest of the way,
whereas Dallas obviously the next three teams they play have
winning records, are teams that are all in the playoff
on so.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Well listen, So so if you're an Eagles fan and
you're listening to this show and you're just thinking about
what happened last night, and you're it's going to be
a tough day or a tough week for you.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
You had a nice four weeks.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah for you. I mean so, yeah, you do have
a couple of very winnable games, more so than the
Dallas Cowboys do. But that is the the quick look
back at if you wanted to make a little bit
of money, you know, Dallas plus two seventy, you can
do that, Curtis of you our friends off the cur
of taking a shot. Yeah, well that's the way I
think about it. So I justify all my picks. You know,
It's like me and Pete Prisco, what do I always

(14:54):
tell you? Like I was on the right side of it.
That's your best.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
I'll tell you what there was in our pick this week.
We had like four differences. He got every single one right,
and it was either because Justin Herbert went out for
the Chargers that that was crushing obviously probably crushing two
for Brandon Staley's job security, which we can get into
later on today the show. You know, Seattle Gino Smith

(15:18):
when we made our picks early in the week, looked
like he was gonna be okay to play and then
Drew Locke ends up starting, which that has not worked
out well for the Seattle Seahawks. Whatever Drew locks gone in,
there a number of games you could go through.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I mean c J.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Stroud got knocked out of the game. Was the Jets,
not that they were necessarily as.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Competitive even when he was in there.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
You know, give Zach Wilson the Jets credit, but it
was just like injury after injury after injury. Oh yeah,
I mean even you know, Minnesota, I'm getting the win
didn't cover. It was more of a push, but justin
Jefferson goes immediately out after coming back off the high r.

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Speaker 1 (17:33):
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let's talk about one of the better games yesterday, a

(17:53):
game in which started out with the home team not
looking all that hot. They climb their way back into
it with an opportunity to win the game late, and
unfortunately officiating got involved in the Kansas City Chiefs loss
to the Buffalo Bills yesterday. The Chiefs fall to Buffalo

(18:14):
and they followed home twenty to seventeen. Was the final
and of course the big conversation which probably should be
Buffalo going on the road exercising some demons, you know,
winning a tough game like that where Josh Allen's trying
to scramble and make plays another sort of a questionable
interception as well too, And they're all the blowback and

(18:36):
smoke with Sean McDermott during the week and the nine
to eleven stuff and all that Buffalo gets it done.
But unfortunately that's not the discussion. The discussion is the
fact that the Kansas City Chiefs were called for an
offsides when Travis Kelce threw back to Cadarius Tony and
what looked like was the go ahead touchdown there late
at Arrowhead. So that's where we're at again. Another game

(18:57):
marred by conversations about officiats, and Patrick Mahomes has had
a little bit of a red ass about in post
game as well too, So.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, I mean, he very rarely gets as fired up
as he was on the sideline after the game, even
talking about you know, in the press talk about the
Josh Allen kind of made comments too, So I understand
his frustration.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
And it's tough because it's a penalty.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Where did it affect the outcome of the play?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
No, like, not in any.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Capacity, like he obviously was lined up off sides. If
anyone who's a Kansas City Chiefs fan wants to refute that, like,
I'm sorry, you could tell he was lining up off sides.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Now there's some fair points.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
People of course starts sending over screen grabs of von
Miller's head being in the neutral zone or being you know,
potentially being lined up in the neutral zone.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Here's the only thing I'd say in response to that.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
If you really want to dissect every single play in
an NFL game, you'll probably be able to make it case,
especially with a still shot for there being a penalty,
whether it's a holding, whether it's off sides, whatever the
case is, you probably can can plead your case to something.
And there's good and bad to that, but it doesn't

(20:15):
matter in the end.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Okay, was Kadarius Tony offsides? Yes?

Speaker 4 (20:20):
And even so much so if you read the pool
report from the officials, and Sheffer's specifically said he was
so far offsides our line judge couldn't.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Even see the ball on that side.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
So I have a couple of questions because I've tried
to go back to the TV copy and watch to
see if Kadarius Tony did something that you were taught
to do for as long as he's probably been a
wide receiver, and that is, as soon as you know
you were on the ball, you line up where you
think you are all right on the ball, and then
you look at the official and the official will tell

(20:54):
you move back, move up, whatever the case is, there's
some sort of communication with the official. From everything I've seen,
it doesn't appear that Kadarius Tony looks to the official.
Now that being said, the TV copy doesn't really do
a justice because he's pretty much already lined up by
that time it gets to him. The All twenty two

(21:15):
copy doesn't help out because even that copy, he's already
lined up when it cuts to that specific play. So
I'm sure there's gonna be more to this story. There's
gonna be more about the mechanics of the officials, and
if he did have a conversation, you know, did he
look over long enough to you know, approve one way
or another. It feels like it's hard to make the

(21:38):
case that he did. But I can't find anything from
the TV copy or from the All twenty two copy
that would say or show that he looked over. So ultimately,
he has to be accountable for where he lines up,
and this penalty beyond him, and it takes away what
would have been an awesome play, what could have made
this game even more theatrical. Down the stretch right, Chiefs

(22:00):
go take the lead by four points with a touchdown
and a pat and then Josh Allen gun says, shot
to go back. I mean, it really did take away
from what could have been a phenomenal ending when it
was all said and done.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
But they have no one to blame but them selves.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
This wide receiver group, between the drops, between the penalties,
everything else that's gone on this season, it's been the
Chiefs Achilles heel and I think you saw that frustration
come out from Patrick Mahomes. And if you're a Chiefs
fan and you really want to be objective about this,
it has been your frustration the entire season.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's this group of wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
I think they're leading the league in drops, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah? I believe so. At least I thought they were
going into this one.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah. And I just and we saw Week one like
that was the story Week one, and it was Kidarius
Tony week one as well too. And to your point, look,
I was an awful wide receiver in high school. Terrible,
but you learn that first day. Look over, point to
the official, make sure you're clear, and he'll tell you
scoop back a little bit screwed up like that. That
is sort of the day one stuff that you learn

(23:04):
as a wide receiver, just making sure that you're on sides.
I don't I don't recall this being called like this before,
like it usually.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
It's been called eleven times so far this season. If
you go back and read the poor poor from the officials,
they've got the numbers and data for it, like they will,
they'll tell you it has been called this season. And
it's something that you know, you wish, you almost wish
they would have stopped the play in general, so he
would have seen what the result would have been.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
But it's like it's like it's like when you lose
on wheel of fortune and and Pat Sayjack has to
show you what you would have won. Have you figured
out the puzzle?

Speaker 4 (23:41):
But the flag came out relatively fast. It wasn't like
it was delayed in any capacity. Like it came out
right as a snap of the football. You go, you
can almost see it here was.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
You mentioned Mahomes' comments postgame, Let's listen to the Chiefs
quarterback to happen on.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
The flag change outcome of a game in that moment,
I mean I've played in seven years, never had that,
never had offensive all sides called. I mean that's the
that's elementary school we talk about. I mean, you point
to the ref do all that different type of stuff
and it doesn't get called, and if it does, they
warn you. And there was no warning throughout the entire game.
And then you wait, there's a minute left in the

(24:16):
game to make a call like that. It's just tough, man,
I mean lost for wordsman, It's just tough because regardless
if we want to lose man just for that end
up with another game and we're talking about the refs. Man,
it's just not what we want for the NFL for football.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
And it also wasn't the last play of the game either.
I know it was a big play. There was another
opportunity there. I think that his frustration, because you remember
last week, the conversation was, well there was no PI
called at lambeau Field, right, And I think part of
his frustration is to what you pointed to. It's getting
a little annoying that he's got issues at wide receiver

(24:52):
constantly and they have not looked like the Chiefs that
were used to the entire year. I mean, look week
one was one thing. It's like, first, you know a
little bit of Russ, don't worry about it. Detroit came
in ht following last year and every like they have
nothing to see here, dude, it's middle of December, Like
it's the same issues, Like this is a problem, this

(25:12):
is what they are and unfortunately it cost him yesterday.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Well, and I think there's always like bigger storylines than
things that run through your head to or that people
will talk about. You know, last year, I think they
probably felt, I don't want to say vindicated, but you know,
they moved on from Tyreek Hill. That was a big
move before last season, and they were still able to
overcome that and win a Super Bowl. The reality is, though,

(25:36):
that doesn't mean that they don't miss Tyreek Hill. And
I think this year has been really revealing in that regard.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I mean, look at the Dolphins.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Not only one are they going to win the AFC East,
but Tyreek Hill is on pace to go over two
thousand yards maybe twenty one hundred yards at this point,
so he's about ready to set a record in the NFL.
The Dolphins are playoff bound, and obviously the Chiefs too.
But if you look at the big missing piece, it's him,

(26:06):
And because they were so good together when they're in
Kansas City, that is still something that's.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Going to be attached to each one of their legacies,
is that.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
And again it wasn't you know, Patrick Mahomes's choice, you know,
for the Chiefs not to pay him and all that,
But that gets tagged along there too, And I think
it's probably frustrating for him to see the way they've
tried to go after whether it's free agent wide receivers
or trading for guys or selecting guys in the draft,
and it just hasn't worked out, at least not this year,

(26:36):
with the way things have gone.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
And now we're looking at Kansas City, you know, probably
gonna have to go on the road at some point
in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
And the other thing I'll say on that regard is
I think Patrick Mahomes knows how big that win was
for Buffalo. I mean, look at their final four games, like,
look what they have down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Do you think they want to see Buffalo in the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Hell no, He he knows how good Josh Allen is,
Stefan Diggs. He knows how good that group can be.
I mean, despite all the injuries on defense and everything
they've endured this year, he doesn't want another quarterback like
that to be in the playoff hunt. And we have
six teams right now in the AFC playoff picture who
is seven and six, like all right there in the

(27:18):
thick of it.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
And some of them right now are led by backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Jake Browning is leading the Cincinnati Bengals right now as
their starting quarterbacks as a backup.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
They're seven and six. They're still in the hunt.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I mean, Joe Flacco's leading the Cleveland Browns right now
very much in the hunt. If you go through this
list of it and you're really you're literally pointing to
which quarterbacks where you not want to see in the
AFC playoff picture, it's Josh Allen like that.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
That's a scary wildcard team, man like that.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
And that's what I'm saying is I think Patrick Mahomes
knows if they get into the playoffs, if they would
have won last night, not only does it help their
seating and helps everything else outside of Baltimore with Lamar
and his experience in the playoffs and how good that
team looks. But you would look and say well, now
Buffalo is even further back. I don't think they can
make it, and thank god, because I don't want to

(28:09):
have to go through the drama of playing against.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
That guy in the playoffs, because you start looking.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
At the rest and you're going, well, all right, how
much success or experience that these other guys have, I
mean not much. I mean if you look at, for example,
Trevor Lawrence, he's been playing banged up like he's got
a little bit, not a ton, And I don't think
you look at the Jags as the same. You know,
Stroud would be a rookie if he's leading the Houston Texans.
You know, we've already talked about Browning, who's a backup

(28:34):
Flacco who came in this season to play for the Browns.
I mean you literally go through the list, and again,
outside of Lamar Jackson, who no doubt would be the
scariest opponent and team you'd have to play, you'd have
to think the Bills would be the.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Next group up.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
And so disrespect to the Dolphins, but it's just the
history of the Kansas City Chiefs and the Bills, and
I'll tight those games have been.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
So somebody in the NFL a multiple time Pro Bowl
as a matter of fact, spoke way too soon. We'll
tell you who that is next.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
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(29:39):
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Speaker 3 (30:19):
Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or entertainment. Good thing the guys are here to
bring you.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
In case you missed.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
It, but that we turn it over to our executive producer,
Lee Lap.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Good morning, everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady, Good
morning everybody out there.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Guys.

Speaker 7 (30:41):
In case you missed that amazing game between the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
And the lab.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Wow, Hey LeVar, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Hey Lee, Hey Lee, Hey Lee.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Guys.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
In case you missed that amazingly hey ready shut up.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh my god, guys.

Speaker 7 (31:09):
In case you missed that amazing game between the Bills
and the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Bills won that game twenty to seventeen.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
But in case you missed that game between Tony the
Bills and the Chiefs were Tony Romo and Jim Nantz
were calling that game?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah god, you.

Speaker 7 (31:25):
Might have also missed this amazing tidbit from Tony Romo.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Take a listen as you.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
See Kelsey's wife Taylor Swift in the audience.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, look, boy, simple missuf with the gun, A
simple mistake.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
How do we know they didn't get married in Vegas
or something? Maybe maybe in a foreign country.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
We don't know that.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, I mean, it's just we're.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Just waiting to sell the rights to like people or
US Weekly or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Do you think she actually wants to sit us?

Speaker 4 (31:57):
I asked my wife what. I was like, is it
US week? US Weekly? She's like, you're an idiot. I
was like, why am I an idiot?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I said, I don't. I stand in a grocery store line.
I look at these magazines. I don't know which one
of that.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
That's actually a fair question, ask to be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
There was also a moment what I noticed just as
a broadcaster where literally Tony Robo asked Jim nance if
he thought the Chiefs are gonna blitz, and I was like,
and then Jim goes, yeah, it looks like they're going
to Tony. He's like, and then they blitz and he goes, oh,
you're right, Jim, And I was like, wow, man, this
is uh, this is just the weirdest broadcast what it's

(32:36):
turned into now, Like Tony Romo like staked his claim
and made his his whole entire game analysis aura around
the fact that he could first predict what was going
to happen, and now it literally has turned into him
asking Jim Nance throughout the course of the game what
is going to happen?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
And Jim Nance has taking over the analyst.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I just and there's just he's good with it, Like
there's no like you would think, especially after last year,
because remember people were doing the comps. They were saying, man,
you know, compare Greg Olsen to Tony Romo, and then
you would think, like there was reports that CBS talked
with Tony Romo about listen, you know you're getting some
things wrong, you know, your prep et cetera. It's the

(33:20):
same thing, like there's been no it's.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Never changed, like anyone who was on the bandwagon early
didn't listen and then the other half or two thirds
of plays that he would talk and then not get
right like it was.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It's just it's.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Such a bizarre listen to now, and I feel like
outside of Kevin and Greg, there's like a lot of
Kevin and Greg and Troy and Joe Joe. I still
love what listening to those guys too, But it's just
it's become so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Now it's it's weird. Man.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
But hey, listen, you and I were on this years ago.
We tried to tell everybody and we got killed for it,
you know, but you haters, Bob Okay, go see what happens?
What else? What else we got?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
You show?

Speaker 7 (34:00):
Hey, Otani free agency saga is finally over.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Already signed. Lee, I didn't see the news on this.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
I apparently signed with the Dodgers ten years, seven hundred
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know what that means?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
How expensive has our our very own formerly I should
say Roberto Flores would say, how expensive those hot dogs
and beer is going to be?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, it's it's gonna get a little pricey.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Marking just went up.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I mean, do you know who was live on the
air on Fox Sports Radio when that news was broken
over the weeks. That's right, little jkass action for you here,
Joe Klatt, come on, don't do that. You come on,
Mike please, but Shoe, Hey, Otani seven hundred million and
he's getting every penny of it. Well, except that's that's

(34:48):
like two.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Hundred and fifty million more than what Mike Trout. Was
he the next closest.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, you got the last four hundred something Bryce Harper's Evans.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Look, man, there's a reason Jeff Samarja, who may have
been a first round pick in the NFL, said I'm
go play baseball. Yeah, smart man, go play baseball.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Make seven hundred million dollars so you get seventy million
a year, which I mean, I just good for him.
I mean, he's such a rare and unique talent with
this ability to hit and pitch. You do wonder though,
I mean next year he's only able to hit, yeh,
he's not gonna pill to pitch. Well, you do wonder
long term, you know, injuries and just the amount of

(35:27):
which he'll will be used and played, Like, I hope
the Dodgers get their money worth. I mean, that's that's all. Like,
that's that's the biggest concern moving forward.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
You know what I wonder about him because the arm
issues obviously, you know, he's dealt with this a couple
of times, right. I wonder if they if they would
even consider making him a closer, Like listen, it's less
wear and tear. His stuff is brilliant, Like no matter
where you put him, he's going to make it work.
I just wonder if that maybe is the more prudent

(35:56):
decision as opposed to rolling him out there to try
and give you six or seven innings with multiple times
he's had issues with the arm.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I don't know, do you feel like that's any less
wear and tear.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
I mean, you might want to pitching one inning, but
you might also be pitching one inning every night.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
And also seventy million dollars kind of expensive for a closer.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
So yeah, woh, look, diviut half of that up right,
because he's half is for closing, half for hittings.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
I will say this a lot of people when they're
talking about this deal and how the Dodge trail will
strike it and some people complaining about oh now it's
going to.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Get passed on to the to the consumer, to the
Dodgers fan falls. Well.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
The other thing is that the TV rights deal is
much better for the Dodgers there locally than it is
amongst the other regional sports networks the RSNS for like
ballet sports and some of the others like those deals
have not gone well, which obviously hurts a lot of
those those teams that are atied to that that the
Dodgers are not.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
They have a very sound TV deal.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I love how people pick and choose when they get
really aggravated about the increase in stuff like this. It's
like when they raise minimum wage for like fast food workers,
Like where do you think that money is.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Going to be that comes from?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Like yeah, like when you're paying eleven dollars for a
six piece chicken nuggets? Like, why do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Well, the thing is people are like, alwa's not going
to come to the Dodgers. They're not going to get them.
And then the kid they're like, oh great, now we've
got them. Now everything's gonna get more expensive.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Right quit a second, Like can you be happy You've
got a generational talent?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Like you just can't be happy about this?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, come, I do at least sneak a flaskin. Yeah,
it's not that hard.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
That's right?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
That hard?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, fortealing whiskey?

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, especially what else, guys?

Speaker 7 (37:36):
In case you missed it, keeping it in l a
Lakers won the in season turn Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Man, incredible man, good for the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
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