May 9, 2024 • 37 mins
The Rooney Rule is good in theory but may have hit its ceiling. The Commanders face a culture shift. Devin Funchess puts a dent in Austin Rivers bold claim.
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So one of the things that is kind of flown
under the radar in the NFL because when you talk
about the Patriots right now, everything's about, you know, Bobby
Orchids and Bill Belichick and who's to blame?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
And the thing, what does Bobby Orchids even mean? What
does that?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Man? You know, just some people get nicknames.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Happy ending, that's what it means.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh tang dang. But you know, the Patriots, a lot
of stuff has got on this offseason about what went
wrong and who's to blame and you know, did was
there a smear campaign on Belichick and all that kind
of flying under the radar is the fact that the
Patriots haven't yet announced who their new GM is going
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to be. We know who their coach is, it's Gerrod Mayo.
We know they drafted Drake may but we really don't
know who's going to be running the show there, and
the perception is that it is going to end up
being Elliott Wolf who's been there for some time. But
because of that, there have been a lot of GM
candidates who have declined to interview for the job because
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they feel like, well, it's kind of a waste of time.
He's going to get the job anyway. So it feels
like they're just kind of going through the old Rooney
rule to try and make sure they cross the t's
and dot the i's and whatnot, and then they'll make
a decision. But according to the Boston Herald, they reported
on Tuesday that the Patriots were required to comply in
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filling in the job they previously complied prior to the
draft because his league spokesman told the Boston Herald there
wasn't a singular person in the primary personnel position and
there were no changes to anyone's title. So I'm a
little confused here because I thought it was pretty straightforward
that you've got to interview certain candidates. They've got to
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be minority candidates who get interviews and have equal opportunity
for the job. But if all of them are turning
down the interview and you're not really meeting that requirement,
do you just get to basically say they rejected us
and we're just gonna hire the guy we want and
nothing ends up happening after that? Like, is that where
we're at with the Rudey rule now? Or how does
that work?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Look far No, no, no, Lee, no, no, no, don't
do that. Do not do that.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Don't Rooney rule me on on answering the question, you
go ahead and answer, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Farm far the whole. It seems like a good idea
in theory.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Well, no, Look, the Rooty rule was originally found that
it has created more opportunity, Like, no one can deny
that there is more of an opportunity from minority coaches
within the NFL. It's had its effect. I think it's
gotten to a point though where we've.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Hit a ceiling. And look, you know, it depends on
the year.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
You know, some years obviously there's a bigger list of
minority candidates or there's more minority head coaches in the NFL,
and other years it's not quite as much. That's always
going to ebb and flow. That's just society. That's how
things work. The thing about the Rooney rule is, I
think it's gotten to a point though where when teams
have and an ideal candidate is of who they're trying
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to target, they just go through the motions with that
specific interview. And I wish there was more safeguards around
the legitimacy of it. But I do know there's some
coaches that are like, yeah, it's not worth me going
up to interview to then hear that I didn't get
the job. Because you hear that enough times, then that
actually starts to hurt your reputation, right, Like, you.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Know, it's like that.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You know, it's like, you know, we've all been single
at some point in time, and you know, you meet
a girl and she's like, well, yeah, you know, I'm
so and so ages and I you know, I just
you know, if you're like, wait a second, how many
different guys have you dated the past twelve months?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Right Like, after a while, yes, you think something's wrong.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
And in this case, I think the some people who
get concerned about the interview process just checking a box
and being a sham, so they don't want to be
a part of it, and I think it could potentially
hurt their reputation. So because of that, I think you
then go all right, let's try to figure out a
way of helping to create more diversity within the NFL
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coaching staffs as far as coordinator head coaches, because there's
actually a fair amount when you look at position coaches
and other positions, and I.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Always felt like the best way is getting.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Minority candidates more opportunity to be on a stage to
showcase their talents as a play caller offense, defensively, special teams,
or as a head coach. And one of the things
that the NFL used to do was NFL Europe. And
I know that that was probably around when when you
were playing, right, LeVar.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, yeah, they're still Yeah, they had it because it
was like the beginning stage.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
It was at my very very end when I was there.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, it was around yep, I believe.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
So my point is it provided to me the foundation
of why overseas you get football. It's absorbed because now
you look back from when that ended, and all those
young fans or thirty year old some fans who watched
NFL Europe, now we're exposed to it then and now
they had an intrigue for the game now and so
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it's paying dividends. But it also helped coaches who didn't
have play calling experience, head coaching experience get some of
those reps over there before they came over potentially to
further shot in the NFL. It helped players who didn't
have as much of an opportunity to play, get some
game tape, get some real live experience before they came
back trying to make a roster. It helped officials, right,
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You had younger officials who wanted to be in different
spots or want to be the white hat, and now
they had those opportunities to do it. It helped directors, producers
and TV all these folks around, you know, whether it's
Fox or you know, ESPN, CBS, whoever, a lot of
folks who are involved with that, well can look back
and credit those experiences and those reps they got to
why they're able to be successful now.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
So it really helped everyone. The people who didn't help
was the owners. It was too expensive, right, they don't
want to keep paying for it.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
And so it now leads me to what complimentary league
do we have where we could divert some time an
opportunity for coaches who are on NFL staffs and then
offseason where they're really not doing much until ots in
mini camp outside of scouting some players, but some real opportunity,
real chance the UFL, you know, why not pay, why
not be helped, you know, create this spring league for
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development for your players. The better min longevity of that,
but also for your coaches, so you get more minority
coordinators head coaches who get opportunities to have those real
live game scenarios on a little bit bigger scale that
is directly tied to organizations or tied to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I don't know that we'll ever get there.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
But that's where I see the you know, the best
pathway forward to help create more diversity.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Within the coaching ranks in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know what I find to be interesting here when
you think about it, More often than not, I would
assume the things that are said that we hear publicly,
it's it's kind of it's it's to appease the crowd.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
It's to appease the fan base.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I mean, and listen, I don't I don't want to
be overly critical because I think that it's it's fine
to do it. You do want to appease your your
fan base. You want people to feel as though they're
a part of something. So when you know something happens
in particular, like when the Me Too movement movement happened,
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there were a lot of things taking place with domestic
violence with players, Okay Boom, It's like me too, or
or was it not?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
No was what?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
No more? No more? It was the no more campaign
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
There's like there's always yeah, right, there's always campaigns that
are significant to what's going on and what's relevant to
the fan base of the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
There there was the whole.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Concussion campaign and that's still continuing on right now. Sometimes
I just feel like the things that are being done
are tongue in cheek and and it's really being done
to satisfy and a piece because in the end, if
we're being honest here, who who made the Rooney rule?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
The league made the Rooney rule. It's not like this
was a you know, government issued rule where you're going
to get in trouble if you don't do it or
anything like that.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
It's all.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
They're self governed, they're self managed, they're they're self disciplined.
So they're they're privately owned. In the end, if they
really wanted to say, screw y'all, we're going to hire
who we want to hire, that's what they can do
in the end. That's really what it comes down to.
(10:12):
They're not publicly traded except for the packers, but all
in all, it's privately owned so to me, when you
hear these things, it's almost like they're still going to
hire who they want to hire. They're not going to
hire this guy because oh I got to satisfy the
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Rooney rule. So yep, we're going to hire a black
coach or we're going to hire a minority coach.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
That's a great point.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
It's not going to happen. Can I give you two
examples to to support what you're saying. Imagine having a
radio show on Saturdays where you know, you know, you
don't invite anyone of the opposite, you.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Know, getting always called on our show.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I'm just saying. I mean, there's there's this up on
Game and there's the Jonas knock Show.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Which is crazy because either neither has either of the
other party.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Let me think about show. TJ is like kind of
you know, he's a swing man.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Come on? What his hair?
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Ye?
Speaker 5 (11:18):
That?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yes? Natural?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
We're claiming you can't claim twin though? Would TJ allow
us to claim him?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Hey, all I know is y'all got this conversation. Didn't
think the barrel be pointed right at you.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Let me let me think about this though, I just
find it because my guest star black. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
God, I'll put it this way, bro, there's a lot
of podcasts out there that do not invite many white guests.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Hey, but you know what's crazy about that? Though?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That's well my my conversations with Legend, I talked to everybody.
But but I would invite you anytime, like I just
don't why would you want to come on on a
six on the sixth day?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, and also, and let's not bury the lead here.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
You certainly could come on with us.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Ask the bigger question, why is so no?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Let's well, we know why Jonas is There's there's the
better question, asked Brady, Why would you want to come
on the undercard when you could be on the main event?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Come on? Man said he could go on our show
anytime two.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
To four Eastern time on a Saturday. Everybody knows that's
the marquee, center stage of everything.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
All right, everybody's getting out and doing what they need
to do when our show ends.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I already have ideas for Levar's show.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
If I was to call already, I will, I will
this year, will make it happen every SI, let's do it.
The problem with Jonas is is what times Jonah start
Eastern time because he always gives me a Pacific and
I can't do the math.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Two to four pm Eastern time.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
We're noon. It's it's you.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
I could give you a going, I could give you
a call. No, it's already going, like I give you
a call right after big noon and then we can
figure out that's right, that's right, that's right. We'll be
on site so I can I can give you some
intel on something. And then for Jonas it'll be more
like that Timeslot's tough because usually the game's ending and
we have to go back on.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh oh well Jonas, Oh listen, no, no, no, yeah, we're
good though. Yeah like that. But that's the thing like
when you have and also don't need nobody.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
One time and he just kept saying, oh, yeah, we're busy,
we can't.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
We had the type of I shall tell you I
got I got burned once, all right, I got burned once.
Brady was wined up, ready to come on, and all
of a sudden it happened you were at an Easter
egg hunt and your daughter at.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
All No, that was I felt bad almost so full disclosure.
We uh we obviously have three that were participating in
that one, but we did have our little baby, but
she was I mean, I was disappointed as a parent.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I felt bad. I felt bad for everyone around.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
But I also was like, it was like, it's a
pri things a parent, because you think you're doing a
good job and you have a kid that acts like
that and you're just I was my mind was blown away.
I was like rehashing out my life and like, where
did I go wrong to allow my daughter to act
like this? It was so disheartening, and I was like,
and I know where you know, christ has risen. I'm
supposed to not be saying these words on this particular
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day especially, but man, that was a struggle. And if
I want to call it in it, yeah, yeah, well listen,
I said.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I said, God dang and not in that way. At
my daughter's Christian.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
School yesterday, I was on a conference call.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
She signed so yesterday was her signing day and I
was out.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I had I was on a conference call and.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Somebody says something to me and I said.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
God dang it, and I had hadphones on.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I said it loud, and everybody turned and looked at me.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I said.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Sorry, and then I looked up after this guy said, sorry,
Jesus cursed that day.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
If you weren't out of Christian school, wold you apologize?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Hell no no.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
But then I realized I forgot where I was.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I said it, and I said it loud too.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Bed I felt really bad, Like my kid goes to
a Christian school.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
I'm not a great example.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Are you able to tell us where she's going?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Oh shah, she's going to Leyola Marymotte.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, that's awesome, gonna be a lion, yeah, rah rah rah.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah. Yeah, so she sighed yesterday, So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Man, that's my first signing signing day, you know, as
a parent. So it's pretty cool because she'll be closer
at home too, she'd be close. But it could get
interesting because I don't know campus in school. I don't
know where he's going to go. I don't know. I
don't know where he's going to go, and probably wherever
he goes, his twin sister is going to go.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
So I don't know. It's going to be.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Interesting on Hawaii do what what is he going to do?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Is going to play high level college football? What do
you mean? In front of eight thousand fans each game.
Come on, man, no.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Man, Michigan has been Michigan and Tennessee has been coming
in pretty hot lately. Man, it's heating up. It's been
been interesting. We brought you up yesterday. I was like,
I was like, is Notre Dame recruiting you? He's like,
I haven't heard from Notre Dame. I said, I'll make
sure to reach out. So maybe he doesn't fit. Maybe
he doesn't fit the bill. I mean he's got great grades,
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you know, I mean he's he's pretty.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I was like, hey, hey, uncle Q said that you
know he's going to hook it up.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
But you know, I don't know, is Notre Dame or
it must be?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, I in comparison, I think we're way ahead of that.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Actually, I mean the head coach is light skin.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
You know, he's I'll say this much.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
We have minority head coaches at our football program, both
men's and women's basketball as well.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Is poached us.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
You know, all goods, any schools that can say that
you called.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
He had something good and y'all took you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You called TJ a swing man.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You can go either way.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Straight hair, straight.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Hair, So get away with stuff like that is the
straight hair the ultimate determination.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
If you don't have to do it right, if you
don't have to straighten it, that's a determining factor. Does
he have to straighten it? No, he doesn't, Okay, No,
his hair is straight, bro, It's like bone straight, like
you can see your your reflection in that joint when
it's almost like I call him panteen man. You know,
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he's panteene man. And Plexico is stretched armstrong, you know,
because he's six seven and you know Plexico or TJ's hair,
he should be like Troy Polamolo fits like perfectly. But
if I wanted to, if I wanted to come out
and go against them, like what is that head and shoulders?
(18:09):
If I were a company that I wanted to compete
against head and shoulders, I would bring in t J.
Hushman's ada because I mean his I've never seen a
head of hair like, and he's old.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
He's old like us, Like he's old like me. Yeah,
he's got a head of hair on him.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He also doesn't eat like any right or.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Anything at all.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
He is one of the most he doesn't try anything.
It's it's it's weird, like did you have you ever
tried an avocado?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Noop? Have you ever tried coffee?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Never?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like nothing, he don't do anything. He's like like a
real life Tarzan, like berries and grapes and stuff. It's
like almost worse than you, man, but but all right,
but he loves candy. That's his vice. He loves candy.
But it's weird.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
He don't age, dude, don't age, man, This is what
it is. Some of us got it good. Some of
us don't.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You know, straight hair, dye dade and can play football.
Like you see a dude like that, you'd be like, yeah,
but I'll whoop his ass like noah, no TJ.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
So there you go. Well it's kind of like you,
you know, it's like, yeah, look at me, he's pretty,
like he looks like a model, but I whoop his ass.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You probably can can't. You definitely can't, and you got
to live with it. Imagine that, like you're not better
in any way, like dang hard world deliver it.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
At least you see me. You'd be like, man, he's ugly.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
But I think we're all distracting from the fact that
I did start off the segment. If I basically pulling
up both you tube for not.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Well, I just did with any I did what any
true vet would do in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I started diverting the attention away from what the original
point talking about anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
That there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's that's that's the ultimate deflector isn't at work right now?
So I just deflect did it all the way into
something like where what the hell are they talking about
right now?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Damn exactly not the fact that I got all black
dudes on.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Oh, great point.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I guess we'll change it up. I'll check that our
guest box for.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
You this year.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, it is well, that is uh, you know, Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I want to get more white guys on my show.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Now, this is this is your show. If you want
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Got extreme, would it too?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
By the way, coming up in a little over fifteen
minutes from now, somebody is proving yeah, that one, that
one got away from him, like he was doing snow angels,
face down, very very strange.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I kind of like when you're making a drink, you know,
with a little bit of alcohol in there, sometimes you
just poor a little too much.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Let me see what he looks like nowadays, Sammy so so,
is there any sort of reversal that can happened. That's
the most recent picture.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean wow, wow, I mean yeah, we should post
a picture of Sammy Sosa on on on the site
before and now, before and after, and we should do
one with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Then see who who morphed the most.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, let's go. I mean there, I'm looking at it.
There's got this one has to be doctored. I mean, no, man,
I mean yeah, yeah. Well look, I mean, hey, teach
their own you know what I mean, like, yeah, hey,
is what it is. So if you're happy, that's all
it matters. Yeah, and if you know, if the Cubs
(22:56):
want to just go ahead and cut out the Shenanigans
and welcome sam Me Sosa back and stop pretending like, oh,
we had no knowledge of him being on the gas
and not admitting to it while he was playing.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Give me a break, right. Is there anything you love
more than saying someone's on the gas?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
No?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Because I just think it makes the world go round,
I really do. And I think a lot of people
get accused of being on the gas when they're not.
Ryan Garcia, who LeVar called Ryan Garcia, he was accused
and then as it turns out, you know, we're seeing
some of these b samples come back and apparently it
could have been a contaminated substance.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
So we're trying to right some wrongs here on this show,
that's all.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
So we're trying to do working hard on that one too. Huh.
You don't want Devin Haney to have that that that
victory or that that loss.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You know, what are you getting at there?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Corrected? I'm asking you.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I mean, we came back into Michael Jackson's Black or White,
you saying I'm going at Ryan Garcia.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
You know, because he you know, you said Michael Jackson
chose tang.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You brought up Sammy Soza.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I said, Pitcher, I think, dang, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Man? How do you how do you cheat that back
the way?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
How do you go from how do you go from
original to to current? Like how do you do that?
I don't know? That's uh what do you do to yourself?
And do you look that way all over?
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Like?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Is one hundred percent of them like that? That's that's
I'm curious. I mean not not really, but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You mean, like, are there any like tan lines?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, opposite yeah right, but.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
The opposite Yeah, dang in opposite Tan, that's interesting. I got,
all right, well that's kind of weird. That's what Lee has.
Lee's going to do the opposite of what's like, what
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the hell are you doing?
Speaker 5 (25:01):
That's right, well, why would.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
You do that?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Lee's middle?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
They would be Roy from now on, last.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Name Johnson Jenkins Jenkins Jenkins leave Roy Jenkins the last
Well this is this.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Is a smooth transition to Jade and Daniels, who is
a Washington d C.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Chocolate city.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Here we go, keep on going.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Here as we continue down the line of offensive commentary.
He's the starting quarterback potentially for the Washington Commandos when
they get ready for Week one coming up this upcoming season.
He was on the All Facts, No Breaks podcast with
Keishawn Johnson, and he had this to say about whether
or not he anticipates being that starter week one of
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the season.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I mean, I'm confiding my abilities.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
But from what I heard, when they say whenever I'm ready,
I ready, So whatever I feel like I'm ready on ready.
They didn't tell me like, oh, like you gotta start
week one. They just said whenever you ready, like you ready,
whenever you feel ready, we feel you ready.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
We're gonna throw you out there.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
So that was Jaden Daniels talking about his opportunity to
start Week one. I was unaware of the little string
of success that the Washington Commanders have been on and
the potential for them to make a little bit of history.
So this will be the eighth year in a row
they'll have a different starting quarterback in Week one, And
I knew that they had missed Kirk Cousins, but I
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didn't realize they missed him that bad to where he
was the only consistent starter.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
So they couldn't have missed RG three. No, it had
to be Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
No, oh okay, yeah, you know what I'm getting that
I got eight years in a row, different starting quarterback
week one of the season.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Well, you know that's not true, by the way, why not?
The Commanders haven't been around for that long.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Great place, do you know what? That's a great point, Q.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's what they called before was the Washington football team.
I mean me, the team I played for was the
Washington Ridskins. They're formerly known as that. That's the team
I played for though the entire time, by the way,
my entire career.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
What's some point they were bad and then they went
to the Washington football team. Now that's so it's really
only been what a few years, It's been a few years. Yeah,
I think we should give them the benefit of.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
The doubt that erases the poor history of the team.
So yeah, they'd be fine.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
History, anything you know about the Commanders before they were
actually the Commanders.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
In in this inaugural year for dan Quinn, can he
can he bring them to because now this is two
defensive coaches that they've hired. Can he bring which seemingly
is an organization that has a coach shift, a major
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culture shift that is taking place, the changing of ownership,
the way things are being handled, just changing the work
environment all together with a new I wonder, in the
midst of what is considered to possibly be a rebirth
(28:22):
of the of the franchise, can dan Quinn get this
team to change on the field?
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Can that culture?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Can that change take place with dan Quinn with this
group of guys that are there. I think they have talent.
If you look at what they have again, they they
have they have pieces in play, they got two two receivers.
They they do have a backfield. Now they seemingly have
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a quarterback, they have they have a defense, and and
I'm I'm not going like, you know, run names or
anything like that. It's not there's no reason to act
like you know, but but this is a team that
actually could be competitive if all of the circumstances were
going in the right direction. And I'm very, very intrigued at,
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you know, how this team will perform being now a
little bit further away from the toxicity that was plaguing
the building, that was plaguing the culture of that organization.
So and from everything I've heard, dan quinn is is
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a guy that the players respect. The building is respective
of respecting him. So it would appear that all things given,
this team is going in the right direction, and Jaden
Daniels could actually be stepping into a situation that is true,
tremendously favorable for him having a really, really successful career.
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I'm not down on I'm not down on them. You
know I have in years past, but I'm not down
on them right now.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
There's a lot of Right what what'd you say?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You just talked at the same time that was a bad,
bad job ass.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah, I hope what you said was good.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, boy, just said, what are they going to bring
LeVar back? You know another we're continuing on the optimism
in Washington. What are we going to celebrate LeVar again
with the Commandos.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
You should wear your actual school jersey, though.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's a sweet jersey.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I mean when you look at their roster, man like,
they got Eckler in the backfield, who was arguably one
of the most well rounded backs in the league. Can
catch out of the backfield, explosive, dude can run. They
got McLaurin and Dotson. I meant at ever, they got
zach Ertz at tight end. I don't know how much
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does he have left. I mean if he stays healthy.
I mean they got guys man. Yeah, they got guys.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Kid out of Kansas State. He's a good player. You
can even move around a little bit.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I feel like if you looked at all the situations
that every of the first round quarterbacks were drafted into,
Minnesota is probably the best because of Justin Jefferson, Kevin
O'Connell's a play caller, Jordan Addison, Hockinson, they had Jones
of the backfield.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
They've got a much improved defense.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Last year with Flores, So like that that's the best
situation for a rookie quarterback to walk into and not
have to carry the franchise. I think Washington second, and
people may take issue with that, but I mean, look defensively,
they're not bad upfront.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I mean, I know thet they could be elite up front,
right John Allen on inside, they could be elite up front.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
And they took Johnny Newton in second round. He that's
great value. He's a really good player. I love Mike
sant Are still who they got in the second round.
He's going to help out their secondary. He's just a
good football player. And dan Quinn's gonna help them right like,
he's gonna be a big piece of that. Defensively speaking, offensively.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
You touched on it.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
They've got dots, and they've got McLaurin. They've got you know,
Eckler and Brian Robinson and Ice want to punch. Their
offensive line has been improved. So I look at it
and say, like, that's probably the second best situation for
a quarterback to being given the roster construction of what
it looks like, and they're walking into.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So and you made the point not too long ago
about when you look at the NFC there's what two teams.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, I would say definitively two rosters teams.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
You'd look at you go, so, I mean anything could happen.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Well, you know, you'll be better than the Giants, you
know that. And who the hell knows to Dallas. I
mean you actually look at it, and it feels like
Washington's improve their roster more than Dallas did this offseason.
Like there seems like there's a lot of question marks
in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
They definitely did sneakily too. They you know, they they
got Bobby Wagner, I believe, don't they have Bobby Wagner?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Now I think Bobby Wagner is Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
What's that they brought in Bobby.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, Washington, Washington brought it.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I mean he probably doesn't have a whole lot, whole
lot left, but that's still a man.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, he's productive every year.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
By the way, speaking of the basketball football argument, we
went one time and played basketball.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Some of the guys Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Low key is a hell of a basketball player.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Like somebody's asked him about it. He's got a nice shot.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
I mean he's like what you don't realize is like
Bobby's a big dude, but he moves really well, very smooth,
very just, but his basketball game is elite. Like that's
another sneaky one that when we're talking about the you
know basketball you know NBA player football player debate, like
I'll throw b wags into that conversation.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, I mean, they've been trying to figure out the
linebackers situation in Washington since six so it's been a
long time, long time since they've had some legitimate linebacker
play there. Un so six with var Two Pros and
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So the hot take of all hot takes that took
place a couple of days ago was Austin Rivers on
the Pat mcavie Show starring AJ Hawk, saying that he
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could find thirty guys in the NBA that could play
in the NFL, but not vice versa. And so I
know that elicited a lot of responses. People really fired
up about that, and they even brought it up on
the postgame show on NBA on TNT, where Charles Barkley
sort of dismissed it, but Shack defended Austin Rivers. Well,
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you know, somebody's put their money where their mouth is,
and that's somebody is Devin Funcius. He hasn't played in
the NFL since twenty nineteen, former Carolina Panther, former Michigan Wolverine.
He has signed a contract to play professional basketball in Columbia.
It's going to try out for some G League teams
in September. So Austin Rivers, screw you from Devin Funchius,
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who's going to be playing ball over in Colombia, which
I don't know about you if you were going to
play overseas, Colombia's in my top three. Just saying, I mean,
I ain't mad at it.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah, it was Brazil.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
After that, Brazil, you want to go to Mexico. That's fine.
All that works.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
It really does open the doors.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I was thinking more about the conversation that we had
because LeVar gave a really good take.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
It was pretty passionate about it.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
The more I thought about just even the comparison between
the two sports and why a basketball player would say
something like that is because there's just more opportunity, right,
and granted they do have a lot of athleticism, but
you know, if you think about the fact you've got
eleven on defense, eleven on offense, and you're not really
having players play both ways, you probably think you could
make it because there's more of an opportunity to make
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in one of those skill positions. The reality is it
just takes a different set of skills that aren't necessarily
involving athleticism. So if the debate was are the best
athletes basketball players?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Okay, sure, but it could stop there.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
You don't need to say that you could play in
the NFL because there's NFL players who can play in
the NBA. There's NBA players who maybe could play in
the NFL. But the difference is there should be a
respect for each sport where it lacks toughness.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
You know, you got toughness. If you can't, you know,
play in the NFL like that, you ain't seen enough.
If you think that basketball players are better, that's what
I think.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
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So one of the things that is kind of flown
under the radar in the NFL because when you talk
about the Patriots right now, everything's about, you know, Bobby
Orchids and Bill Belichick and who's to blame?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
And the thing, what does Bobby Orchids even mean? What
does that?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Man? You know, just some people get nicknames.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Happy ending, that's what it means.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh tang dang. But you know, the Patriots, a lot
of stuff has got on this offseason about what went
wrong and who's to blame and you know, did was
there a smear campaign on Belichick and all that kind
of flying under the radar is the fact that the
Patriots haven't yet announced who their new GM is going
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to be. We know who their coach is, it's Gerrod Mayo.
We know they drafted Drake may but we really don't
know who's going to be running the show there, and
the perception is that it is going to end up
being Elliott Wolf who's been there for some time. But
because of that, there have been a lot of GM
candidates who have declined to interview for the job because
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they feel like, well, it's kind of a waste of time.
He's going to get the job anyway. So it feels
like they're just kind of going through the old Rooney
rule to try and make sure they cross the t's
and dot the i's and whatnot, and then they'll make
a decision. But according to the Boston Herald, they reported
on Tuesday that the Patriots were required to comply in
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filling in the job they previously complied prior to the
draft because his league spokesman told the Boston Herald there
wasn't a singular person in the primary personnel position and
there were no changes to anyone's title. So I'm a
little confused here because I thought it was pretty straightforward
that you've got to interview certain candidates. They've got to
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be minority candidates who get interviews and have equal opportunity
for the job. But if all of them are turning
down the interview and you're not really meeting that requirement,
do you just get to basically say they rejected us
and we're just gonna hire the guy we want and
nothing ends up happening after that? Like, is that where
we're at with the Rudey rule now? Or how does
that work?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Look far No, no, no, Lee, no, no, no, don't
do that. Do not do that.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Don't Rooney rule me on on answering the question, you
go ahead and answer, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Farm far the whole. It seems like a good idea
in theory.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Well, no, Look, the Rooty rule was originally found that
it has created more opportunity, Like, no one can deny
that there is more of an opportunity from minority coaches
within the NFL. It's had its effect. I think it's
gotten to a point though where we've.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Hit a ceiling. And look, you know, it depends on
the year.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
You know, some years obviously there's a bigger list of
minority candidates or there's more minority head coaches in the NFL,
and other years it's not quite as much. That's always
going to ebb and flow. That's just society. That's how
things work. The thing about the Rooney rule is, I
think it's gotten to a point though where when teams
have and an ideal candidate is of who they're trying
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to target, they just go through the motions with that
specific interview. And I wish there was more safeguards around
the legitimacy of it. But I do know there's some
coaches that are like, yeah, it's not worth me going
up to interview to then hear that I didn't get
the job. Because you hear that enough times, then that
actually starts to hurt your reputation, right, Like, you.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Know, it's like that.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You know, it's like, you know, we've all been single
at some point in time, and you know, you meet
a girl and she's like, well, yeah, you know, I'm
so and so ages and I you know, I just
you know, if you're like, wait a second, how many
different guys have you dated the past twelve months?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Right Like, after a while, yes, you think something's wrong.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
And in this case, I think the some people who
get concerned about the interview process just checking a box
and being a sham, so they don't want to be
a part of it, and I think it could potentially
hurt their reputation. So because of that, I think you
then go all right, let's try to figure out a
way of helping to create more diversity within the NFL
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coaching staffs as far as coordinator head coaches, because there's
actually a fair amount when you look at position coaches
and other positions, and I.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Always felt like the best way is getting.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Minority candidates more opportunity to be on a stage to
showcase their talents as a play caller offense, defensively, special teams,
or as a head coach. And one of the things
that the NFL used to do was NFL Europe. And
I know that that was probably around when when you
were playing, right, LeVar.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, yeah, they're still Yeah, they had it because it
was like the beginning stage.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
It was at my very very end when I was there.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, it was around yep, I believe.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
So my point is it provided to me the foundation
of why overseas you get football. It's absorbed because now
you look back from when that ended, and all those
young fans or thirty year old some fans who watched
NFL Europe, now we're exposed to it then and now
they had an intrigue for the game now and so
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it's paying dividends. But it also helped coaches who didn't
have play calling experience, head coaching experience get some of
those reps over there before they came over potentially to
further shot in the NFL. It helped players who didn't
have as much of an opportunity to play, get some
game tape, get some real live experience before they came
back trying to make a roster. It helped officials, right,
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You had younger officials who wanted to be in different
spots or want to be the white hat, and now
they had those opportunities to do it. It helped directors, producers
and TV all these folks around, you know, whether it's
Fox or you know, ESPN, CBS, whoever, a lot of
folks who are involved with that, well can look back
and credit those experiences and those reps they got to
why they're able to be successful now.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
So it really helped everyone. The people who didn't help
was the owners. It was too expensive, right, they don't
want to keep paying for it.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
And so it now leads me to what complimentary league
do we have where we could divert some time an
opportunity for coaches who are on NFL staffs and then
offseason where they're really not doing much until ots in
mini camp outside of scouting some players, but some real opportunity,
real chance the UFL, you know, why not pay, why
not be helped, you know, create this spring league for
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development for your players. The better min longevity of that,
but also for your coaches, so you get more minority
coordinators head coaches who get opportunities to have those real
live game scenarios on a little bit bigger scale that
is directly tied to organizations or tied to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I don't know that we'll ever get there.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
But that's where I see the you know, the best
pathway forward to help create more diversity.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Within the coaching ranks in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know what I find to be interesting here when
you think about it, More often than not, I would
assume the things that are said that we hear publicly,
it's it's kind of it's it's to appease the crowd.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
It's to appease the fan base.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I mean, and listen, I don't I don't want to
be overly critical because I think that it's it's fine
to do it. You do want to appease your your
fan base. You want people to feel as though they're
a part of something. So when you know something happens
in particular, like when the Me Too movement movement happened,
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there were a lot of things taking place with domestic
violence with players, Okay Boom, It's like me too, or
or was it not?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
No was what?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
No more? No more? It was the no more campaign
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
There's like there's always yeah, right, there's always campaigns that
are significant to what's going on and what's relevant to
the fan base of the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
There there was the whole.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Concussion campaign and that's still continuing on right now. Sometimes
I just feel like the things that are being done
are tongue in cheek and and it's really being done
to satisfy and a piece because in the end, if
we're being honest here, who who made the Rooney rule?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
The league made the Rooney rule. It's not like this
was a you know, government issued rule where you're going
to get in trouble if you don't do it or
anything like that.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
It's all.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
They're self governed, they're self managed, they're they're self disciplined.
So they're they're privately owned. In the end, if they
really wanted to say, screw y'all, we're going to hire
who we want to hire, that's what they can do
in the end. That's really what it comes down to.
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They're not publicly traded except for the packers, but all
in all, it's privately owned so to me, when you
hear these things, it's almost like they're still going to
hire who they want to hire. They're not going to
hire this guy because oh I got to satisfy the
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Rooney rule. So yep, we're going to hire a black
coach or we're going to hire a minority coach.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
That's a great point.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
It's not going to happen. Can I give you two
examples to to support what you're saying. Imagine having a
radio show on Saturdays where you know, you know, you
don't invite anyone of the opposite, you.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Know, getting always called on our show.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I'm just saying. I mean, there's there's this up on
Game and there's the Jonas knock Show.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Which is crazy because either neither has either of the
other party.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Let me think about show. TJ is like kind of
you know, he's a swing man.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Come on? What his hair?
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Ye?
Speaker 5 (11:18):
That?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yes? Natural?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
We're claiming you can't claim twin though? Would TJ allow
us to claim him?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Hey, all I know is y'all got this conversation. Didn't
think the barrel be pointed right at you.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Let me let me think about this though, I just
find it because my guest star black. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
God, I'll put it this way, bro, there's a lot
of podcasts out there that do not invite many white guests.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Hey, but you know what's crazy about that? Though?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That's well my my conversations with Legend, I talked to everybody.
But but I would invite you anytime, like I just
don't why would you want to come on on a
six on the sixth day?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, and also, and let's not bury the lead here.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
You certainly could come on with us.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Ask the bigger question, why is so no?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Let's well, we know why Jonas is There's there's the
better question, asked Brady, Why would you want to come
on the undercard when you could be on the main event?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Come on? Man said he could go on our show
anytime two.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
To four Eastern time on a Saturday. Everybody knows that's
the marquee, center stage of everything.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
All right, everybody's getting out and doing what they need
to do when our show ends.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I already have ideas for Levar's show.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
If I was to call already, I will, I will
this year, will make it happen every SI, let's do it.
The problem with Jonas is is what times Jonah start
Eastern time because he always gives me a Pacific and
I can't do the math.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Two to four pm Eastern time.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
We're noon. It's it's you.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
I could give you a going, I could give you
a call. No, it's already going, like I give you
a call right after big noon and then we can
figure out that's right, that's right, that's right. We'll be
on site so I can I can give you some
intel on something. And then for Jonas it'll be more
like that Timeslot's tough because usually the game's ending and
we have to go back on.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh oh well Jonas, Oh listen, no, no, no, yeah, we're
good though. Yeah like that. But that's the thing like
when you have and also don't need nobody.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
One time and he just kept saying, oh, yeah, we're busy,
we can't.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
We had the type of I shall tell you I
got I got burned once, all right, I got burned once.
Brady was wined up, ready to come on, and all
of a sudden it happened you were at an Easter
egg hunt and your daughter at.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
All No, that was I felt bad almost so full disclosure.
We uh we obviously have three that were participating in
that one, but we did have our little baby, but
she was I mean, I was disappointed as a parent.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I felt bad. I felt bad for everyone around.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
But I also was like, it was like, it's a
pri things a parent, because you think you're doing a
good job and you have a kid that acts like
that and you're just I was my mind was blown away.
I was like rehashing out my life and like, where
did I go wrong to allow my daughter to act
like this? It was so disheartening, and I was like,
and I know where you know, christ has risen. I'm
supposed to not be saying these words on this particular
(14:18):
day especially, but man, that was a struggle. And if
I want to call it in it, yeah, yeah, well listen,
I said.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I said, God dang and not in that way. At
my daughter's Christian.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
School yesterday, I was on a conference call.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
She signed so yesterday was her signing day and I
was out.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I had I was on a conference call and.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Somebody says something to me and I said.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
God dang it, and I had hadphones on.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I said it loud, and everybody turned and looked at me.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I said.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Sorry, and then I looked up after this guy said, sorry,
Jesus cursed that day.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
If you weren't out of Christian school, wold you apologize?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Hell no no.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
But then I realized I forgot where I was.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I said it, and I said it loud too.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Bed I felt really bad, Like my kid goes to
a Christian school.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
I'm not a great example.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Are you able to tell us where she's going?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Oh shah, she's going to Leyola Marymotte.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, that's awesome, gonna be a lion, yeah, rah rah rah.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah. Yeah, so she sighed yesterday, So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Man, that's my first signing signing day, you know, as
a parent. So it's pretty cool because she'll be closer
at home too, she'd be close. But it could get
interesting because I don't know campus in school. I don't
know where he's going to go. I don't know. I
don't know where he's going to go, and probably wherever
he goes, his twin sister is going to go.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
So I don't know. It's going to be.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Interesting on Hawaii do what what is he going to do?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Is going to play high level college football? What do
you mean? In front of eight thousand fans each game.
Come on, man, no.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Man, Michigan has been Michigan and Tennessee has been coming
in pretty hot lately. Man, it's heating up. It's been
been interesting. We brought you up yesterday. I was like,
I was like, is Notre Dame recruiting you? He's like,
I haven't heard from Notre Dame. I said, I'll make
sure to reach out. So maybe he doesn't fit. Maybe
he doesn't fit the bill. I mean he's got great grades,
(16:34):
you know, I mean he's he's pretty.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I was like, hey, hey, uncle Q said that you
know he's going to hook it up.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
But you know, I don't know, is Notre Dame or
it must be?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, I in comparison, I think we're way ahead of that.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Actually, I mean the head coach is light skin.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
You know, he's I'll say this much.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
We have minority head coaches at our football program, both
men's and women's basketball as well.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Is poached us.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
You know, all goods, any schools that can say that
you called.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
He had something good and y'all took you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You called TJ a swing man.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You can go either way.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Straight hair, straight.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Hair, So get away with stuff like that is the
straight hair the ultimate determination.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
If you don't have to do it right, if you
don't have to straighten it, that's a determining factor. Does
he have to straighten it? No, he doesn't, Okay, No,
his hair is straight, bro, It's like bone straight, like
you can see your your reflection in that joint when
it's almost like I call him panteen man. You know,
(17:46):
he's panteene man. And Plexico is stretched armstrong, you know,
because he's six seven and you know Plexico or TJ's hair,
he should be like Troy Polamolo fits like perfectly. But
if I wanted to, if I wanted to come out
and go against them, like what is that head and shoulders?
(18:09):
If I were a company that I wanted to compete
against head and shoulders, I would bring in t J.
Hushman's ada because I mean his I've never seen a
head of hair like, and he's old.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
He's old like us, Like he's old like me. Yeah,
he's got a head of hair on him.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He also doesn't eat like any right or.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Anything at all.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
He is one of the most he doesn't try anything.
It's it's it's weird, like did you have you ever
tried an avocado?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Noop? Have you ever tried coffee?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Never?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like nothing, he don't do anything. He's like like a
real life Tarzan, like berries and grapes and stuff. It's
like almost worse than you, man, but but all right,
but he loves candy. That's his vice. He loves candy.
But it's weird.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
He don't age, dude, don't age, man, This is what
it is. Some of us got it good. Some of
us don't.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You know, straight hair, dye dade and can play football.
Like you see a dude like that, you'd be like, yeah,
but I'll whoop his ass like noah, no TJ.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
So there you go. Well it's kind of like you,
you know, it's like, yeah, look at me, he's pretty,
like he looks like a model, but I whoop his ass.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You probably can can't. You definitely can't, and you got
to live with it. Imagine that, like you're not better
in any way, like dang hard world deliver it.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
At least you see me. You'd be like, man, he's ugly.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
But I think we're all distracting from the fact that
I did start off the segment. If I basically pulling
up both you tube for not.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Well, I just did with any I did what any
true vet would do in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I started diverting the attention away from what the original
point talking about anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
That there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's that's that's the ultimate deflector isn't at work right now?
So I just deflect did it all the way into
something like where what the hell are they talking about
right now?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Damn exactly not the fact that I got all black
dudes on.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Oh, great point.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I guess we'll change it up. I'll check that our
guest box for.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
You this year.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, it is well, that is uh, you know, Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I want to get more white guys on my show.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Now, this is this is your show. If you want
a good mixture of black and white. We've got everything
covered Eastern time, six o'clock specific Coming up next here though,
from the ti rack dot Com studios, we are going
to find out when a quarterback will get the nod
(20:47):
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Speaker 8 (21:05):
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
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Speaker 4 (21:39):
Got extreme, would it too?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
By the way, coming up in a little over fifteen
minutes from now, somebody is proving yeah, that one, that
one got away from him, like he was doing snow angels,
face down, very very strange.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I kind of like when you're making a drink, you know,
with a little bit of alcohol in there, sometimes you
just poor a little too much.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Let me see what he looks like nowadays, Sammy so so,
is there any sort of reversal that can happened. That's
the most recent picture.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean wow, wow, I mean yeah, we should post
a picture of Sammy Sosa on on on the site
before and now, before and after, and we should do
one with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Then see who who morphed the most.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, let's go. I mean there, I'm looking at it.
There's got this one has to be doctored. I mean, no, man,
I mean yeah, yeah. Well look, I mean, hey, teach
their own you know what I mean, like, yeah, hey,
is what it is. So if you're happy, that's all
it matters. Yeah, and if you know, if the Cubs
(22:56):
want to just go ahead and cut out the Shenanigans
and welcome sam Me Sosa back and stop pretending like, oh,
we had no knowledge of him being on the gas
and not admitting to it while he was playing.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Give me a break, right. Is there anything you love
more than saying someone's on the gas?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
No?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Because I just think it makes the world go round,
I really do. And I think a lot of people
get accused of being on the gas when they're not.
Ryan Garcia, who LeVar called Ryan Garcia, he was accused
and then as it turns out, you know, we're seeing
some of these b samples come back and apparently it
could have been a contaminated substance.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
So we're trying to right some wrongs here on this show,
that's all.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
So we're trying to do working hard on that one too. Huh.
You don't want Devin Haney to have that that that
victory or that that loss.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You know, what are you getting at there?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Corrected? I'm asking you.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I mean, we came back into Michael Jackson's Black or White,
you saying I'm going at Ryan Garcia.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
You know, because he you know, you said Michael Jackson
chose tang.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You brought up Sammy Soza.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I said, Pitcher, I think, dang, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Man? How do you how do you cheat that back
the way?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
How do you go from how do you go from
original to to current? Like how do you do that?
I don't know? That's uh what do you do to yourself?
And do you look that way all over?
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Like?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Is one hundred percent of them like that? That's that's
I'm curious. I mean not not really, but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You mean, like, are there any like tan lines?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, opposite yeah right, but.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
The opposite Yeah, dang in opposite Tan, that's interesting. I got,
all right, well that's kind of weird. That's what Lee has.
Lee's going to do the opposite of what's like, what
(24:59):
the hell are you doing?
Speaker 5 (25:01):
That's right, well, why would.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
You do that?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Lee's middle?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
They would be Roy from now on, last.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Name Johnson Jenkins Jenkins Jenkins leave Roy Jenkins the last
Well this is this.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Is a smooth transition to Jade and Daniels, who is
a Washington d C.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Chocolate city.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Here we go, keep on going.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Here as we continue down the line of offensive commentary.
He's the starting quarterback potentially for the Washington Commandos when
they get ready for Week one coming up this upcoming season.
He was on the All Facts, No Breaks podcast with
Keishawn Johnson, and he had this to say about whether
or not he anticipates being that starter week one of
(25:52):
the season.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I mean, I'm confiding my abilities.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
But from what I heard, when they say whenever I'm ready,
I ready, So whatever I feel like I'm ready on ready.
They didn't tell me like, oh, like you gotta start
week one. They just said whenever you ready, like you ready,
whenever you feel ready, we feel you ready.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
We're gonna throw you out there.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
So that was Jaden Daniels talking about his opportunity to
start Week one. I was unaware of the little string
of success that the Washington Commanders have been on and
the potential for them to make a little bit of history.
So this will be the eighth year in a row
they'll have a different starting quarterback in Week one, And
I knew that they had missed Kirk Cousins, but I
(26:32):
didn't realize they missed him that bad to where he
was the only consistent starter.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
So they couldn't have missed RG three. No, it had
to be Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
No, oh okay, yeah, you know what I'm getting that
I got eight years in a row, different starting quarterback
week one of the season.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Well, you know that's not true, by the way, why not?
The Commanders haven't been around for that long.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Great place, do you know what? That's a great point, Q.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's what they called before was the Washington football team.
I mean me, the team I played for was the
Washington Ridskins. They're formerly known as that. That's the team
I played for though the entire time, by the way,
my entire career.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
What's some point they were bad and then they went
to the Washington football team. Now that's so it's really
only been what a few years, It's been a few years. Yeah,
I think we should give them the benefit of.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
The doubt that erases the poor history of the team.
So yeah, they'd be fine.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
History, anything you know about the Commanders before they were
actually the Commanders.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
In in this inaugural year for dan Quinn, can he
can he bring them to because now this is two
defensive coaches that they've hired. Can he bring which seemingly
is an organization that has a coach shift, a major
(28:02):
culture shift that is taking place, the changing of ownership,
the way things are being handled, just changing the work
environment all together with a new I wonder, in the
midst of what is considered to possibly be a rebirth
(28:22):
of the of the franchise, can dan Quinn get this
team to change on the field?
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Can that culture?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Can that change take place with dan Quinn with this
group of guys that are there. I think they have talent.
If you look at what they have again, they they
have they have pieces in play, they got two two receivers.
They they do have a backfield. Now they seemingly have
(28:55):
a quarterback, they have they have a defense, and and
I'm I'm not going like, you know, run names or
anything like that. It's not there's no reason to act
like you know, but but this is a team that
actually could be competitive if all of the circumstances were
going in the right direction. And I'm very, very intrigued at,
(29:19):
you know, how this team will perform being now a
little bit further away from the toxicity that was plaguing
the building, that was plaguing the culture of that organization.
So and from everything I've heard, dan quinn is is
(29:40):
a guy that the players respect. The building is respective
of respecting him. So it would appear that all things given,
this team is going in the right direction, and Jaden
Daniels could actually be stepping into a situation that is true,
tremendously favorable for him having a really, really successful career.
(30:07):
I'm not down on I'm not down on them. You
know I have in years past, but I'm not down
on them right now.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
There's a lot of Right what what'd you say?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You just talked at the same time that was a bad,
bad job ass.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah, I hope what you said was good.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, boy, just said, what are they going to bring
LeVar back? You know another we're continuing on the optimism
in Washington. What are we going to celebrate LeVar again
with the Commandos.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
You should wear your actual school jersey, though.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's a sweet jersey.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I mean when you look at their roster, man like,
they got Eckler in the backfield, who was arguably one
of the most well rounded backs in the league. Can
catch out of the backfield, explosive, dude can run. They
got McLaurin and Dotson. I meant at ever, they got
zach Ertz at tight end. I don't know how much
(31:05):
does he have left. I mean if he stays healthy.
I mean they got guys man. Yeah, they got guys.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Kid out of Kansas State. He's a good player. You
can even move around a little bit.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I feel like if you looked at all the situations
that every of the first round quarterbacks were drafted into,
Minnesota is probably the best because of Justin Jefferson, Kevin
O'Connell's a play caller, Jordan Addison, Hockinson, they had Jones
of the backfield.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
They've got a much improved defense.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Last year with Flores, So like that that's the best
situation for a rookie quarterback to walk into and not
have to carry the franchise. I think Washington second, and
people may take issue with that, but I mean, look defensively,
they're not bad upfront.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I mean, I know thet they could be elite up front,
right John Allen on inside, they could be elite up front.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
And they took Johnny Newton in second round. He that's
great value. He's a really good player. I love Mike
sant Are still who they got in the second round.
He's going to help out their secondary. He's just a
good football player. And dan Quinn's gonna help them right like,
he's gonna be a big piece of that. Defensively speaking, offensively.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
You touched on it.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
They've got dots, and they've got McLaurin. They've got you know,
Eckler and Brian Robinson and Ice want to punch. Their
offensive line has been improved. So I look at it
and say, like, that's probably the second best situation for
a quarterback to being given the roster construction of what
it looks like, and they're walking into.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So and you made the point not too long ago
about when you look at the NFC there's what two teams.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, I would say definitively two rosters teams.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
You'd look at you go, so, I mean anything could happen.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Well, you know, you'll be better than the Giants, you
know that. And who the hell knows to Dallas. I
mean you actually look at it, and it feels like
Washington's improve their roster more than Dallas did this offseason.
Like there seems like there's a lot of question marks
in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
They definitely did sneakily too. They you know, they they
got Bobby Wagner, I believe, don't they have Bobby Wagner?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Now I think Bobby Wagner is Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
What's that they brought in Bobby.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, Washington, Washington brought it.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I mean he probably doesn't have a whole lot, whole
lot left, but that's still a man.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, he's productive every year.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
By the way, speaking of the basketball football argument, we
went one time and played basketball.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Some of the guys Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Low key is a hell of a basketball player.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Like somebody's asked him about it. He's got a nice shot.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
I mean he's like what you don't realize is like
Bobby's a big dude, but he moves really well, very smooth,
very just, but his basketball game is elite. Like that's
another sneaky one that when we're talking about the you
know basketball you know NBA player football player debate, like
I'll throw b wags into that conversation.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, I mean, they've been trying to figure out the
linebackers situation in Washington since six so it's been a
long time, long time since they've had some legitimate linebacker
play there. Un so six with var Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio and
coming up next here we're going to tell you how
somebody is trying to prove a hot take wrong in
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
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So the hot take of all hot takes that took
place a couple of days ago was Austin Rivers on
the Pat mcavie Show starring AJ Hawk, saying that he
(35:11):
could find thirty guys in the NBA that could play
in the NFL, but not vice versa. And so I
know that elicited a lot of responses. People really fired
up about that, and they even brought it up on
the postgame show on NBA on TNT, where Charles Barkley
sort of dismissed it, but Shack defended Austin Rivers. Well,
(35:31):
you know, somebody's put their money where their mouth is,
and that's somebody is Devin Funcius. He hasn't played in
the NFL since twenty nineteen, former Carolina Panther, former Michigan Wolverine.
He has signed a contract to play professional basketball in Columbia.
It's going to try out for some G League teams
in September. So Austin Rivers, screw you from Devin Funchius,
(35:55):
who's going to be playing ball over in Colombia, which
I don't know about you if you were going to
play overseas, Colombia's in my top three. Just saying, I mean,
I ain't mad at it.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah, it was Brazil.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
After that, Brazil, you want to go to Mexico. That's fine.
All that works.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
It really does open the doors.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I was thinking more about the conversation that we had
because LeVar gave a really good take.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
It was pretty passionate about it.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
The more I thought about just even the comparison between
the two sports and why a basketball player would say
something like that is because there's just more opportunity, right,
and granted they do have a lot of athleticism, but
you know, if you think about the fact you've got
eleven on defense, eleven on offense, and you're not really
having players play both ways, you probably think you could
make it because there's more of an opportunity to make
(36:43):
in one of those skill positions. The reality is it
just takes a different set of skills that aren't necessarily
involving athleticism. So if the debate was are the best
athletes basketball players?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Okay, sure, but it could stop there.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
You don't need to say that you could play in
the NFL because there's NFL players who can play in
the NBA. There's NBA players who maybe could play in
the NFL. But the difference is there should be a
respect for each sport where it lacks toughness.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
You know, you got toughness. If you can't, you know,
play in the NFL like that, you ain't seen enough.
If you think that basketball players are better, that's what
I think.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Damn
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