May 23, 2024 • 45 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, The NFL Draft heading to Pittsburgh provides a great opportunity. The guys debate the best Batman. Andy Reid subscribes to Brady's belief in football being played every day of the week. Senior NFL Reporter, Albert Breer believes the 18-game season is happening sooner rather than later and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar airings Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So LaVar, I got an idea just throwing it out
there there. So the thanks well because I think you
can get in on this as well too. As far
as our support for the Sticks, yeah, I mean it
should be unsaid, you know. I think I think we
should all be on the same page here. I think,
okay that twenty twenty six, the NFL Draft going to Pittsburgh,
(00:39):
your old stomping grounds, we should go well, I'm think yeah,
well that of course, But I'm also thinking you going
back to the Burg and announcing the pick for the
Washington Commandos. I think that's the move you want to do.
First round pick, second round pick, whatever it is. They'll
probably be picking highly there based on their recent history.
(01:02):
The point is, I think you announcing the pick in
your old hometown in twenty twenty six, as Pittsburgh was
awarded the draft, that's the one that's.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Going to happen.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Well, first and foremost, I think it's super awesome that
the draft will be in Pittsburgh. I definitely will go
to that. I mean that is That sounds very exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Plus it's a base baseball season and hockey not the
Penguins are going to be in the playoffs, but the
hockey season as well too.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Lot going on Pittsburgh that time.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I'll say this, be careful if you're if you're not
from there, just make sure you stay in the touriste
spots of town wherever it is you're supposed to be there.
Oh well, I mean, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Is Darrell Reeves and his friend's gonna beat your ass
or something?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Well, al Equippa is not there. Darrell Reeves isn't from Pittsburgh,
he throws down there. He's Wespa from.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
The Quinn area.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, quick Town is a different area that's like forty
five fifty minutes out. But you just, you know, you
just want to be careful. It'll probably be centralized to downtown,
but it'll spill over into being on the north side,
the north shore, the south side, south end, all that stuff,
(02:21):
probably Mount Washington. It it I think the sound of it,
it sounds tremendous. I mean, I think that that that
will be for sure a fun of fun time. What
what what time of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
April late April usually early, man, I.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Mean weather if you're going to move it, so the
weather could be a factor, could clip it, It could
could make it not as enjoyable.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
But if the weather is good.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Pittsburgh is like for something like a draft, I think
that would be phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Man a rated C.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
By the way, I think it's a dope spot.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
I mean any city that started Batman has to.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Be pretty badass.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
You know here you go?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah it really Michael Keaton is from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Well not that Batman, but yeah, but that one, not
that one. Some would say he was underrated Batman by
the way, Yeah, that would that would not be me.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
I mean I have him solidly number three in my list.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
You got him three? Who's so Christian Bales, Christian.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Bill clearly clearly the number one?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Oh you got Ben Affleck too.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
No, No, he's well below Michael Keaton.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I have the original.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Though, oh Adam West.
Speaker 8 (03:34):
Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Mean I concept the original. I'm not sure if there's
like one before him, but.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I would go Keaton too. Really yeah, I would go
Keaton too.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I just couldn't get over he's not that big though,
you know, he's not that big.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
He's not. He's not very big.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
And he is a great actor. The suit does it
for you anyway, right, I mean I.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Kind of felt like though everyone else had a round him,
and that Batman series made him seem like he was better, right,
I mean Jack Nicholson as the Jokers pretty pretty.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Much Danny DeVito, right, Yeah, it's the Penguin.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
I mean it was a pretty solid sporting cast.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
What are your Batman rankings? Is it Bail one, Michael
Keaton too? Or how do you feel about Keaton's my
number one?
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Yeah? Oh you're going Keaton won Bail well.
Speaker 9 (04:27):
I like I like the Bail trilogy the Christopher Nolan
trilogy the most, but not because of Christian Bale.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
We're just asking you for not not the movie.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
We're asking for the character, Like who played it the best?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, go with Keats, definitely keep moving. That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You get into these movie discussions with Cisco and Liebert
and he just takes it down a path.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Now, I don't even care for his opinion after hearing that, Damn,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 9 (04:55):
Bang bang, Well, then Adam West is obviously number two.
That was Brady He's Yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
The fact that he puts Keen all the way number
one over Bail.
Speaker 9 (05:05):
Yeah, he's clearly the number one number one.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Babe.
Speaker 9 (05:09):
Bill was not that good. I mean, he's a great
actor and he's good. I'm not going to say he's bad,
but he was the weak point in all those movies.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Dang, that's not really that's the that's the worst thing
you've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know much about movies, but that seems like
a hot take that will surely get some negative pushback.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
The fact that they let you vote on things and
you get to view movies before the rest of general
public is astonishing.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
After that, you think Christian Bale is the weak point
of the Christopher Nolan series, Well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Because it's it's more masterful. Yeah, it's centered around him.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
It's essentially at him.
Speaker 9 (05:44):
It's actually not. That's kind of my point is it's
it's much more. You know, obviously, The Dark Knight is
much more about Heath Ledger steals the show and in
the Dark Knight as the joker.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I know what's going on here.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
You think the best part of those trilogy is Morgan Freeman,
don't you.
Speaker 9 (06:01):
Well, Morgan Freeman is great. Yeah, his supporting cast is
so much stronger than Christian bals Is. He's one note
he's not he doesn't have as good of an arc.
And Michael Keaton is just great. I mean when I
think of Batman, I think of Michael Keaton.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Particularly said no one you literally cannot actually believe that.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
That is what I believe.
Speaker 9 (06:22):
Also, maybe it's just the era I grew up in,
or George Clooney I even think of sometimes more than I.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
Think you're losing all credibility because.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Val Kilmer is actually second. I would put Val Kilmer
over above Christian because George Clooney makes tequila.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
You put him over.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And don't have Christian nothing else.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Now, Oh my god, I don't even need to talk now.
Speaker 9 (06:46):
Well, hey, and the book hasn't been written on Robert
Pattinson yet. I think he hasn't. I'm just saying it
hasn't been written yet.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
He's still got to fuel the dirt being shoveled on
your face as you're getting buried alive.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I still to yourself, I'm with you, I'm with you, Lee.
Speaker 9 (07:04):
Well, of course I still stand by that Christian bale
Or has the best movie people man, the best movies.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm just not the strongest batman.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Okay, outside outside of Keithlecher.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Who else are you saying? Was a great supporting cat?
Speaker 9 (07:23):
Uh Arquette Anthony who played two Face Uh Gary Oldman,
Gary Oldman saw it and everything though they changed uh
they changed what's her face?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Chilling Hall to uh, what's her face?
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Yeah, which struggled, right. I mean I would say I'll
take Michelle Pfeiffer over get.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Chilling all yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
And then don't I'm sorry, dude, I don't think it's
even comparable.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And then don't forget about Will Arnett as Lego Batman
is a great batman. Jesus, what are you talking about?
Lego Batman?
Speaker 9 (07:55):
That's a deep cut Lego Batman. Will Arnett, He's fantastic.
It's it's more of a parody, but it's he's a Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
I know they don't do this and they screen Actors Guild, but.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Someone needs to slap you away, like someone needs to
come up on stage and just Will Smith slap you.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And then George Clooney with the nipples is great. Hold
on a second, whoa hold on?
Speaker 8 (08:16):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
The guy was a stack of toys and you're putting
him ahead of Christian Bale.
Speaker 9 (08:23):
I love Christian Batman. I love Christian Bale. Batman is
not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Okay, what if it was Lincoln Logs in the shape
of a batman? Is that still ahead of Christian Bale
or is it just.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Like it's just as wood and of a performance?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What a disgusting take by Lee? What a disgusting take?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Eddie?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
How can you applaud this? And is a Pittsburgh guy?
How can you applaud this?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Because he's right, you don't like Christian Bale.
Speaker 10 (08:49):
I love christ I agree with almost everything he said.
I love Christian Bale as an actor. He's a better
actor than any other actor that's played the way. But
in that role he was just eh.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Love that manuch bad pinions.
Speaker 9 (09:02):
Wait and if you want to get here's.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
How awfully is Val Kimber was want of the nipples.
Speaker 10 (09:08):
It wasn't George Cloth.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
I'm looking at the picture of Val Kilmer right now.
Speaker 10 (09:13):
Clooney was the one who was.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Famous for Yeah, both of them had it, but Clooning.
Speaker 10 (09:16):
Was one more famous than the other because people talked
about him. Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Alright, let me look this.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
We talked about Val Kilmer's nipplesly not.
Speaker 10 (09:22):
Well, we're talking about him out all right.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Let me all right, let me look this up.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
I'm looking at a photo of him, and it does
not include nipples in this one.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think it did change because of the different movies.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
But just think.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
And by the way, Val Kilmer came before George Clooney, Christopher, Christoph.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
How's that?
Speaker 10 (09:46):
Phil Palkow?
Speaker 9 (09:49):
And if you want to talk to the real nerds
out there, be animated those nipples and smoke it, like,
how do those nipples feel?
Speaker 10 (09:58):
You'll tell me, Man, you're the one looking at picture
of it.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
I can't stop looking at it.
Speaker 10 (10:04):
Just could get together in the right.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
I just I remember my childhood and I don't remember
anyone talking about Batman's nipples throughout my childhood. So apparently
I missed the nineteen ninety five valcoma version and the
Batman and Roberts series in ninety seven with the nipple talk.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
There was a lot of discussion about the Yeah, I'm
just stunned.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I always back to my original point.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Not to jump on you, Jonas, but Christopher Reeves is
the best out of all of them, because he's the
only one that didn't use a muscle.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Suit that Superman Superman.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I'm saying, we're talking about nipples and suits and how
did it better? Is just saying Christopher Reeves is the
only one that used his own body outside of the
original Batman, which his bat his body was super bad.
That the TV show Batman, it was super bad. I'm
just saying, Christopher Reeves, man shouts out Superman and not
even with the Dark Knight.
Speaker 9 (10:59):
And Ben affleck the worst, the worst.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Do you need to break the new sound around that
Eddy to let everybody do?
Speaker 10 (11:07):
I mean you have to shout pretty loud for him
to hear that.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Shot shouts out the Christopher Reeves. Is it Reeves or
Reed Reeves? Reeves?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Reeves?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, dang, Sonny he gone he he didang.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
He's walking Boss Hall.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Jeez, tang damn.
Speaker 10 (11:30):
That kind of cool though, Jonahs, right, if your Superman's
walking your dog, it's pretty I want to.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Walk him, like, not not now but right now, but
I don't want anybody else going near him to mine.
For God's sakes, sapped.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Up to heaven. He's walking want skeleton up there? Or
is he like Boss Hall?
Speaker 6 (11:51):
He is a two undred seventy five pounds skeleton walking
with the embellishments.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You know, I busy puppy. Is he a two hundred
and seventy five pound or is he a full grown?
Is he an adult?
Speaker 8 (12:02):
Like?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
What is he up there?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
We've talked about this, and you know at his peak
he was four hundred and ten pounds and you know that.
But again, I've got it for some reason, like dumb
down the numbers and try and pretend like none of
that was legitimate.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And I'm tired of it, all right. I'm tired of
him being misrepresented.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And if you are up in heaven, if anybody else
goes near, you tell him to stay away.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
So am I hearing this right?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Though?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Lee basically is discounting Christian Bale as Batman because he
had because no, because he's so good in other roles.
So now he's saying that at like you can't differentiate
or separate his Batman persona from his other roles.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
So he gets that supports whatever it is that he says.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
He's usually the voice of reason, like he's the I
trust me, I would in most cases. This has blown
my mind, though, That's why I'm asking the question. Is
this because you think he's such a good actor that
in this role, it wasn't a great role for him,
So you're knocking him down a peg.
Speaker 10 (13:00):
Else would you judge his performance than how he does
in that role.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I would say his performance in that role is better
than every other Batman that's been in that role, regardless
of what he's done in other movies where he's been
a much better.
Speaker 9 (13:11):
Role, better actor in I just simply prefer Michael Keaton.
I appreciate Christian Bell as Batman. I liked him as Batman.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
I mean, we know you don't have the hots for
Kim Basion here.
Speaker 10 (13:21):
We know that, all right, Yes, how do we know
that for pressure?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Because he's got an HD TV?
Speaker 5 (13:28):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, he's he's got it. He's got a TV and
it shows everything.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
This has got to be one of the most awkward
conversations we've ever had in.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
The history of this show. Yeah, but you know what,
we've even touched on on nip Yeah there.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
As well too.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I mean, look, you know the NFL Drea.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
I put in the group chat. There's no nipples in
the George Clooney shot that I just send you.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Guys said, no, that's what I'm saying it looks like
hands though, hands on his chest, and I.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Mean I'm looking at it. I see I see them
loud and clear.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Yang.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
The one I sent you, I didn't see that on
you got good focusedly see nipples on the one picture
said you got a good nipple detector.
Speaker 10 (14:11):
I think great has moved over to check out the nipples.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Of course, there's no nipples in the photo, don't.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, what the one you sent Brady is one
that was never in the movie.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That was that was like something I was showing you
what that was.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
That was some promo photo that wasn't That wasn't even
cost you more than the movie.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
I just think it's disrespectful that Val Kilmore had the
nipples first and you didn't give them any You didn't
pay any attention.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
To Val as awkward.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Awkward?
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Why because they're a lower place in the chest. How
are we going to define this not as pointy?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
My god, all right, listen, two pros and a cup
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Speaker 5 (14:51):
Thank you, Johnny.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's gonna that's going to conclude our coverage of the
twenty twenty six NFL Draft.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Going to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Thank you, so we will have more on that.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I'm excited about that away we.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Got there because just the stadiums in the uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
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Yard you ever.
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That's what I'll do, all right.
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Whatever, listen, you guys can you guys can say what
you want about tough skin, but apparently you're gonna need
some tough skin if you want to play in the
NFL moving forward.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
You want to know why we were talking about smell,
but why we can use prominently and.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, okay, well it's going to be used a lot more,
especially if they go to eighteen games.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
It working on it, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, because it feels like that's on the horizon now.
Roger Goodell did talk yesterday about the potential and sort
of what they're thinking as far as the pushback and
sort of the things they need to get by in
order to implement this eighteen game season.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 14 (20:21):
The key thing for us is looking at making sure
we continue to do the things to make our game safer.
So we want to make sure that that hits the
first boundary. The seventeen games is a long season, so
we want to make sure we look at that and
make sure that we continue the safety efforts.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
You've seen a lot of the outcomes of that.
Speaker 14 (20:40):
Kickoffs are a good example of the hip drop so
we're going to continue to do that. That's number one.
Working with our players associations. Number two, you know we
would reach and agreement with them if we're going to
proceed on that level. But we also third, this is
not necessarily in order is the quality of our game.
We would do it in the context of reducing the
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number of preseason games. We think that's a good trade.
Less preseason games and more regular season games. I think
most anybody who would think was beneficial. But again, those
other two factors are really.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Important beneficial to their wallets.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I mean, that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
If you think about preseason games, who is the most
beneficial for It's most beneficial for the poorest of the
NFL players. It's the young players, the rookies coming into
the league because they haven't gotten up to that game
speed in a real live game scenario in the NFL.
And then it's the back end of the roster guys
who are trying to make a roster because for the
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most part, you know, for the for the bigger name guys,
guys who are paid they're gonna make it, they're not
even playing.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
So it's really for the younger guys.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
The back end of the roster guys proven to you
that they can play. And that's unfortunately in the NFL,
the the lower income players of the NFL. So of
course Roger Goodell, who represents the owners, is going to say, yeah,
it's not you know, it's not really beneficial to anyone.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Well, it is beneficial.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
It's beneficial players, it's beneficial to coaches to some degree.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
You know.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
The other thing we don't ever talk about is when
you talk about like lack of development, we don't talk
about the lack of development with coaching staffs. Preseason games
oftentimes now are given, you know, position callers, oftentimes minority
coaches that are on the staff an opportunity to call
plays because once the real games come, that's not happening
as much. But you might have an opportunity to hey, hey,
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you're calling the defense, you're calling the offense for this
this preseason game. Head coaches do that oftentimes to get
some of their assistants some real live reps, which is
a great thing for young coaches in the league. I
hate the fact that since Roger Goodell has taken over,
and I'm sure people are gonna take shots of me
for saying, well, it's a boosts that that, you know,
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they should be concerned about raising revenue, you know, creating,
putting more money and lining the pockets of the owners.
You are losing your product, like you're losing a piece
of this and your desire to try to make as
much money as humanly possible for these owners. You're going
to lose the quality of the game, the quality of
the product in many different ways. And so I get
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concerned about that, and I just hope Lloyd Howell Junior
now has taken over as was recently elected as the
executive director for the NFLPA, get lifetime health care like
that would be the biggest stamp ever for an executive
director in my opinion, for the NFLPA, if they were
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to be able to get lifetime health care actively. That's
that's part of it. Yeah, that's part of it. Because
obviously the players who are you know, currently you know,
playing in the NFL, they'll receive it. Guys five years out,
they can receive it. But they that comes in saying
that it's going to be for the older generations, the
older players. Typically, most collective Bardian agreements have put in
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some you know, detective measures for older players.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Past generations. And so I'm not just saying this for myself.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
I'm staying it for guys who are way older than
I am that need it right now badly and there's resources.
But just do it, like that's the one thing that
you can make these owners agree to, say lifetime healthcare.
That's a win win for everyone, and then let's move forward.
That's the one big ticket item they need to push for.
Every player should be four. There's there shouldn't even be
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a debate on that. It should just be lifetime healthcare
and figure it out whether that's for you know, a
credited you know players, you know, five seasons, three, whatever
it is. They'll come up with that number. But they
need to figure that out more than anything else.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, I just think it's it's it's almost like an
oxymorn to say we want to make the game safer,
but then make the season longer. I just I don't
feel like, how does that, How does that make sense?
How does that? How do you make that make sense?
Other than to say what he said, like the hip
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drop and the kickoff rule and all that stuff, you're
altering a game. And I would say this, you're banking
on the fact that the new added way of going
about football is better than the traditional style and the
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traditional way of playing the game. And Roger Goodell has
bet on hisself, and I mean and he has he
has been on I mean, it's not like he hasn't
been a successful commissioner. He has grown the numbers, he's
grown the game, the reach of it. It's it's seemingly working.
But I just wonder, at what point do you start
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to look at a product and say it's watered down.
I mean, I just I think they're dangerously close to
hitting a space where you might actually look at a
game that you truly love in a league that has
become America's pastime, and look at it and say, this
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is this is pretty watered now. You know That's my
concern as I look at it.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Do you guys have faith though, that the NFLPA is
going to push for lifetime healthcare, that they're going to
think about the quality of the player as opposed to
the quality of the dollar. And how do you have
confidence in that? Because I look at it from the
outside and I go, look, it could get watered down,
and lifetime healthcare is a great idea. I'm skeptical that
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any of that is even factored in, and ultimately we're
going to get to an eighteen game regular season within
the next two years. And what's going to happen is
the NFLPA is going to cave agree to something that
they're going to regret two or three years in promise
it's going to be different the next time around, and
away we go with a discussion that's just going to
keep going moving forward. It just feels like that's where
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this always ends up.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
I'm hoping it doesn't.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
I'm hoping We've got I won a new leader and
executive director, Lloyd how Junior, and I'm hoping there's enough
strength amongst.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Players or they should push for this.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
But this is also something that you know, if you
look at how players tend to be able to get
things done in the CBA or even when there's negotiations
like that that you know take place in between the
CBA negotiations, oftentimes like there's a campaign, there's a coordated
effort and a campaign to kind of get this thing done, and.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
There hasn't been any.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
So that's the hard part about you know, my hope
for what I think would be the best thing moving
forward for every player, and it should be a no
brainer in what is the dangerous, most dangerous sport of
any of the professional sports is push for it and
get it. I mean, there's other leagues that have other
benefits to what they have, and for whatever reason, the
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NFL has never set this as a precedent. I should say,
the NFLPA has never made you know this a president
or you know their key initiatives of the collective barring agreement.
And I understand there's a lot of things that go
into that, but this still needs to be that one
big ticket item and take away. The owners come to
the table with usually one to three things that are
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big ticket things they look for.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
In this case, we know what they want. They want
at games.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Okay, you want eighteen games, give us lifetime healthcare, and
then here are the conditions in terms of which we're saying,
you know, guys who are vested, guys who've played in
the league, whether it's three five years, whatever you do,
there's always that point and the owners will probably dictate
that because they know the average career span for most
players is under three years, so they set it at
a mark where it's going to take out if you
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do the Bell curve about half of the players who
make it in the NFL but never become vested. And
then that way that you know they can have an
idea of what that number looks like in the future.
Is healthcare costs continue to go up. So that's what
it's about. But that's the one thing I know. I
keep harping on this, but it's needed a big time,
especially for past gen or rations of players.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Well, hopefully we'll get some more answers from Albert Breer.
Maybe he's got an optimistic outlook on how this whole
thing turns out. But it is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. By the way,
quick update here on Tough Skin. You can get a
can on Amazon for nine to ninety nine.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Now, you guys probably never had to pay for it
because it was just in the training room at your disposal.
But if you're interested, I'll go in half on that.
So I'll give you five bucks if you guys want
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on the show.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
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Right now.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Albert Breer's in senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
the MMQB. You can get them on Twitter at Albert
Breer AB. Good morning, How are you hey?
Speaker 8 (29:56):
What's up? How you doing good?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Roger Can comments yesterday about the eighteen game season. Yeah,
a prelude to this happening, and what what do we
think in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
What was your takeaway?
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Yeah? I mean I think when they start talking about
it this public, usually it means it's going to get done.
So I think, you know, unfortunately for some people that's
maybe a data complete Now, I think there are two
things to look at. Number One, unlike the last time
they expanded the schedule, that the players do have some
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detail power here. The players have to agree to go
to eighteen games, So what are they asking for back?
On whether they're getting back. I think if I'm a
player right now, you know what I'm looking for is
finding a way to create more freedom for myself to
make money while I'm still playing. If you're going to
affect my longevity by extending the season. So what does
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that mean. That could mean, you know, three years instead
of port to get the free agency. That could mean
taking some of the restrictions off when guys do become
free agents, whether that's tags or whatever else. Like, that's
what I would be looking for if I was a
player and I knew that this was this was something
that the owners really wanted. So I think that that
part of the negotiation is going to be interesting because again,
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the players do have some detail power that's written into
the CBA. The second piece of this is the television contracts,
and that's where I think you can watch what's happening
in the NBA. It's really interesting to see what those
numbers wind up showing us. You know, and maybe you
know some of the numbers that you know, college football
is able to generate with the playoff expanding and everything
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else affect this too. They have outs. The NFL is
outs in the television deals in twenty eight and twenty nine,
and so now with Netflix and and Amazon a part
of the picture, and you know, I think a changing
landscape and broadcasting if the owners are looking at it
and saying we want to opt out, you know, in
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twenty eight or twenty nine. Well, then you know, are
you at that point looking to have a product that
you can sell. It's got more games, not less as
part of it, you know, And so I would think
that this is coming. I would think that the players
are going to want something substantial in return for it.
And my guess is that it happens probably sooner rather
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than later, especially if they're going to opt out of
the television deals in a few years.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
You think that's almost a guarantee the owners will opt
out of the of the deal.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
I don't know for sure, Brady. I think it's like
I think, I think there's a likelihood of it, and
I think history would tell you tell you that they
will now again, like I think some of it could.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Ride on like what happened real quick, Albert. Why would
the history tell us that.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
The owners when the players have when the when the
owners have to opt outs, they generally do opt out.
Like that's generally what it's been like if you look
at like the history of it, like this happened with
the c b A. You know, the lockout happened as
a result of the owners opting out of the C
B A. You know, the owners general I mean generally,
the numbers keep going up, you know, and you know,
if if the numbers are keep going up, and you know,
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the contracts wind up looking a little bit outdated, then
of course they're going to opt out. You know. That's
generally why. I can't imagine what would happen to make
the numbers go the other way where it would be
beneficial for them to opt out. I guess that could happen,
but history tells us they probably will opt out.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
I guess I'd looked at it.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
And the reason why I asked that is, you know,
it's things seem to be going well now. A workstop
is just one thing that always potentially could throw a
wrench in any professional sport as far as how fans
receive it and absorb it. Looking at that big ass
and I've said this, I don't I don't think what.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
You threw out for players is big enough.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
And I think if this is that moment, like this
might be the only moment that I can see in
the future where the players they have a ton of leverage,
not just not not leverage, they have a ton of leverage.
Whyt to ask for lifetime healthcare. You know why I
work for the past players, current players, future players, right
and get that as part of the deal.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Is that too big of an ask in your mind?
Speaker 8 (34:06):
Yeah? I mean I think it's just going to be
like it's if they want and this is what's going
to be interesting, you know with the new with with
Floyd down charge, they're having a new executive director. You know,
we don't have the history that we we had to
go on with the Morris Smith, you know, or certainly
Genough shot behind him before him, So like we don't
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know exactly how he's going to handle this, but he's
very business minded and that's part of the reason why
they hired him, you know what I mean, Like they
hired d because he's a lawyer. They hired this guy
because he's a businessman, you know, and so you know
he's going to be able to maybe see around some
corners that not everybody's able to see around. And so
you know, I think this is you'r right, like a
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great chance for them to test the owners resolve and
like what's the breaking point for them when they throw
their hands up and just say we're seeing with seventeen games.
I don't know, but you're you're very You're you're right, Brady.
I mean, like this is and look, maybe like lifetime
healthcare is part of it. Maybe taking care of past
players are part of it. But this would be a
moment where they would have a rare amount of leverage
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to take advantage of the situation.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Abe.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I want to keep the conversation on the best time
of having leverage and ask about justin Jefferson opting out
of being around right now seeking a new contract, an extension,
whatever it may be. But this to me seems like
this is the most opportune time for him to be
able to maybe try to demand the top of contract
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that and you will reset the white receivers market. What
what's the latest or what's your intel on that?
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Well, he's certainly been patient, you know, and he was
out for the He sat out the off season program
last year too. We spent the majority of it in Miami,
and you know, I wouldn't expect that you see a
lot of him outside of the many. So the other
question is going to be whether or not he takes
this in the training camp, you know what I mean.
And he's got the ability to do it the same
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way nick Bosa did last year. Since he's still on
a rookie contract, the Vikings can forgive fines. You know,
there's the rules about the veteran players where you know
the more veteran players. If you know, you skip training
camp practices, they then they find you. You can't forgive
any of the fines. You know, Justin Jefferson can ask
(36:30):
for the fines back to which gives him a little
bit more flexibility to carry a holdout into July and August.
And I mean I I if you're him, you've already
benefited from from waiting, right because you look at it
like I'm un Ross Saint Brown. I'll doe respect is
not the receiver Justin Jefferson is. And he got twenty
eight million per year. AJ Brown, who's really really good,
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But again I don't know that he's quite what Justin
Jefferson is. And know he's a little older than Justin is,
Like he got thirty two million and PERR. So if
you're Justin Jefferson and you took on the extra year
of injury risk, and oh, by the way, you got
hurt while taking on that injury risk. He spent a
lot of last year on the shelf because of the
hamstring thing. I mean, like do you have for forty
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you know what I mean? Like, I think it's he's
in a position where he's holding all the cards now,
especially with the Vikings team that's got transit, that's going
through a transition at quarterback and trying to figure out
is Sam Darnold or JJ McCarthy's going to be their guy.
And you know, like those reps in training camp are
going to be really important, and building chemistry and the
new quarterbacks can be really important. You know, all this stuff,
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you know, really really puts puts the cards and in
justin Jefferson's hands, and it'll be interesting to see now
how he plays them.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Albert Briers, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the
mm QB, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So,
going back to Goodell yesterday and speaking about several topics,
one of the things that he was asked about, I
believe it might have been Mark Maski who asked him
was about concern over or like where we're at with
Tom Brady and you know, potential ownership and going through
(38:07):
the process. And Gadell pointed out that, yeah, you know, obviously,
our concern with him being a broadcaster is access to
team meetings facilities. Okay, well, how's that gonna work? Like,
I mean, is there Like I don't know how many
people are concerned about sort of the potential of a
conflict of interest here, either whether it be other owners
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or other people in the league that you've talked to.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
I mean, they should be concerned, you know what I mean, Like,
this is a this is a very real question, you know,
I I can and and it's a real it's a
very very real advantage that you have. You know, I
remember talking to John Lynch about this, and you know
this was you know, like this year there is years ago.
But like John, when he got that Niners job, I
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remember talking to him about the advantage of having worked
for Bops and like having gotten to go inside every
building in the league. And this is he didn't even
know he was going to be a GM, right, Like
the GM thing kind of came out of nowhere for
him with the Niners. But you know, he had the
advantage at the time of getting to see from the
inside the way every team in the league worked, and
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things that he liked and things that he didn't like.
About what they were doing. Then he was able to
apply those to to to how he built out, you know,
his personnel department in San Francisco, and it helped Kyle
Shanahan build the team there, you know. And so yeah,
I mean, I think it's a very very real thing,
you know, and it shouldn't be underplayed. And you know,
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I can even tell you, like going back, like to
the end of last year, after Josh had been fired
and Antonio Pierce as the interim coach, Tom Brady was
at their last practice of the year and there was
a feeling in that organization at that time that he
was going to have a hand in the coaching search.
Now obviously didn't really work out that way, but Richard
Seymour wound up on that on that panel, and you
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don't think Tom had something to do with that, you know,
on the panel that wunded up picking the head coach.
So I think he already has some level of influence
in the Raiders organization. And if I was another team,
I you know, I just like I think Tom is
going to try to do the job in the level
and I think he's going to be very focused on
doing the best job he can for Fox, but you
certainly would be if you were, you know, one of
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the other thirty one teams. I think you would look
at it and say, you know, we've got to be
a little bit careful about certain things and what we say.
While you know, a guy who is legitimately under contract
to buy a part of the Raiders is in our building, Albert.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
I want to ask you about just some contracts that
are kind of still out there, still looming. You know
a number of players, and obviously we don't have a
ton of time here, so I'll just try to go
through them quickly, Like does anything happened with t Higgins
at this point? We talked about the wide receivers are
already but about quarterbacks like a Dak Prescott, Matt Stafford.
You're seeing a little bit about, you know, some of
the contract issues that they may be having right now
(40:53):
with the Rams. Just talk to me about who gets
a deal done before the season starts.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
So I think the T Higgins contract probably doesn't happen.
I think he probably holds out into August and shows
up right before the start of the year. I think
one of the main reasons why it's it's difficult for
the for the Bengals, because you know, if you pay
T Higgins, then what do you give Jamar Chase? Right like?
And I think this is where maybe the Bengals have
to start making some choices. So I guess with the
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t Higgins winds up playing playing out the year and
then playing somewhere where else, whether it's going somewhere to
free agent or tag and trade. In twenty twenty five,
I think Brandon a Yuk's got a like decent chance
to get an extension in San Francisco. If he winds
up getting an extension because they love him, there, does
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Deebo Samuel become available? I think that that's a real question,
you know. And then just as far as the quarterbacks,
I think it's interesting because you've got Trevor Lawrence, you
got Dak Prescott, you got Jordan Love and Tua, And
you know, I think all of those guys, maybe absent Dak,
wind up getting deals done. I think I think, you know,
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Trevor might be the first one. Then maybe Jordan Loved,
then Tua. The question I have with Dak, it's just
I don't know, guys. I'm like, I'm sort of starting
to get this feeling are the Cowboys with dak now
where like the Rams were with Jared Goff in twenty twenty,
which is like, we love you and you've done a
(42:23):
great job for us, and you've played great for us,
but do we sort of want to kind of keep
our options open and look around? I just you know,
you look at their actions in the way they've operated
and they still to take care of Ceedee Lamb and
Micah Parsons, and I just I you know, that one's
kind of it just feels like it's in a weird
spot right now.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Wow, that's an interesting comp same draft class too.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah the bar you got another one?
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Are we No? No, We're good. Okay, so I'm looking
at the Clark.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Now, I got you two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Here at Fox Sports Radio, he's Albert Breersenior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Get him on on Twitter at Albert Breer, and I would.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Ask you a hundred questions a B.
Speaker 8 (43:04):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (43:06):
We were just short.
Speaker 8 (43:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
I didn't want to make it seem like this makes
it Yeah no, no, no, it's just the clock is
is you know, I'm watching the yeah, the clock is the.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, well Albert, let's do again next week.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
Man always fine, thanks guys, I'm really sorry.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
And by the way, how about Albert. No phone issues, nothing,
no children in the background, no dog. But hyped them up.
Speaker 10 (43:30):
And that was the latest.
Speaker 8 (43:33):
In Nashville in the hotel room. That's why. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say, uh and since we're I mean,
is he still there?
Speaker 3 (43:41):
We still got Albert there?
Speaker 8 (43:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:44):
How uh? How's the scene?
Speaker 8 (43:46):
The scene is good?
Speaker 7 (43:48):
Yeah, wait a second, a second, what work trip of
you're on a Nashville.
Speaker 8 (43:54):
There was the owners meetings here. I'm going to business
nice today. But the owners meeting two days did they
have in Nashville?
Speaker 7 (44:01):
Why Nashville don't know? These have like West Palm or
somewhere like Sunny and.
Speaker 8 (44:05):
Well no, but this is this is not the big one.
The big ones in March. So that's always like, that's
the one that's in West Palm or the Bilbourne in Arizona.
This is the this is the lower profile one. This
one actually, so the Tish family which owns a piece
of the Giants, they owned the Low's Hotel chain and
they just opened a Lowe's Hotel and right by Vandy,
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and so this meeting was there. Maybe that's why. That's
the best explanation explanation I can come up with. And
the Titans want to pimp out their new stadium too,
that was part of it. So I guess they took
everybody over to take a look at the They have
a thing called the Titans House where there's the new
stadium out there. Made me feel old too, because I
ran by the old stadium today and I was thinking
(44:49):
to myself, I was in college when the old stadium
opened and now they're tearing it down. So yeah, it
made me feel my years definitely.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
You know, it gets yourself a throat burner and enjoy
the rest of your day.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
There you go, there you go. I think I might
I think I might need to go, uh go go
get my my back rolled out or something very good.
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar airings Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So LaVar, I got an idea just throwing it out
there there. So the thanks well because I think you
can get in on this as well too. As far
as our support for the Sticks, yeah, I mean it
should be unsaid, you know. I think I think we
should all be on the same page here. I think,
okay that twenty twenty six, the NFL Draft going to Pittsburgh,
(00:39):
your old stomping grounds, we should go well, I'm think yeah,
well that of course, But I'm also thinking you going
back to the Burg and announcing the pick for the
Washington Commandos. I think that's the move you want to do.
First round pick, second round pick, whatever it is. They'll
probably be picking highly there based on their recent history.
(01:02):
The point is, I think you announcing the pick in
your old hometown in twenty twenty six, as Pittsburgh was
awarded the draft, that's the one that's.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Going to happen.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Well, first and foremost, I think it's super awesome that
the draft will be in Pittsburgh. I definitely will go
to that. I mean that is That sounds very exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Plus it's a base baseball season and hockey not the
Penguins are going to be in the playoffs, but the
hockey season as well too.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Lot going on Pittsburgh that time.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I'll say this, be careful if you're if you're not
from there, just make sure you stay in the touriste
spots of town wherever it is you're supposed to be there.
Oh well, I mean, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Is Darrell Reeves and his friend's gonna beat your ass
or something?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Well, al Equippa is not there. Darrell Reeves isn't from Pittsburgh,
he throws down there. He's Wespa from.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
The Quinn area.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, quick Town is a different area that's like forty
five fifty minutes out. But you just, you know, you
just want to be careful. It'll probably be centralized to downtown,
but it'll spill over into being on the north side,
the north shore, the south side, south end, all that stuff,
(02:21):
probably Mount Washington. It it I think the sound of it,
it sounds tremendous. I mean, I think that that that
will be for sure a fun of fun time. What
what what time of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
April late April usually early, man, I.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Mean weather if you're going to move it, so the
weather could be a factor, could clip it, It could
could make it not as enjoyable.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
But if the weather is good.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Pittsburgh is like for something like a draft, I think
that would be phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Man a rated C.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
By the way, I think it's a dope spot.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
I mean any city that started Batman has to.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Be pretty badass.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
You know here you go?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah it really Michael Keaton is from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Well not that Batman, but yeah, but that one, not
that one. Some would say he was underrated Batman by
the way, Yeah, that would that would not be me.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
I mean I have him solidly number three in my list.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
You got him three? Who's so Christian Bales, Christian.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Bill clearly clearly the number one?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Oh you got Ben Affleck too.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
No, No, he's well below Michael Keaton.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I have the original.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Though, oh Adam West.
Speaker 8 (03:34):
Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Mean I concept the original. I'm not sure if there's
like one before him, but.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I would go Keaton too. Really yeah, I would go
Keaton too.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I just couldn't get over he's not that big though,
you know, he's not that big.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
He's not. He's not very big.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
And he is a great actor. The suit does it
for you anyway, right, I mean I.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Kind of felt like though everyone else had a round him,
and that Batman series made him seem like he was better, right,
I mean Jack Nicholson as the Jokers pretty pretty.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Much Danny DeVito, right, Yeah, it's the Penguin.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
I mean it was a pretty solid sporting cast.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
What are your Batman rankings? Is it Bail one, Michael
Keaton too? Or how do you feel about Keaton's my
number one?
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Yeah? Oh you're going Keaton won Bail well.
Speaker 9 (04:27):
I like I like the Bail trilogy the Christopher Nolan
trilogy the most, but not because of Christian Bale.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
We're just asking you for not not the movie.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
We're asking for the character, Like who played it the best?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, go with Keats, definitely keep moving. That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You get into these movie discussions with Cisco and Liebert
and he just takes it down a path.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Now, I don't even care for his opinion after hearing that, Damn,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 9 (04:55):
Bang bang, Well, then Adam West is obviously number two.
That was Brady He's Yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
The fact that he puts Keen all the way number
one over Bail.
Speaker 9 (05:05):
Yeah, he's clearly the number one number one.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Babe.
Speaker 9 (05:09):
Bill was not that good. I mean, he's a great
actor and he's good. I'm not going to say he's bad,
but he was the weak point in all those movies.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Dang, that's not really that's the that's the worst thing
you've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know much about movies, but that seems like
a hot take that will surely get some negative pushback.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
The fact that they let you vote on things and
you get to view movies before the rest of general
public is astonishing.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
After that, you think Christian Bale is the weak point
of the Christopher Nolan series, Well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Because it's it's more masterful. Yeah, it's centered around him.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
It's essentially at him.
Speaker 9 (05:44):
It's actually not. That's kind of my point is it's
it's much more. You know, obviously, The Dark Knight is
much more about Heath Ledger steals the show and in
the Dark Knight as the joker.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I know what's going on here.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
You think the best part of those trilogy is Morgan Freeman,
don't you.
Speaker 9 (06:01):
Well, Morgan Freeman is great. Yeah, his supporting cast is
so much stronger than Christian bals Is. He's one note
he's not he doesn't have as good of an arc.
And Michael Keaton is just great. I mean when I
think of Batman, I think of Michael Keaton.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Particularly said no one you literally cannot actually believe that.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
That is what I believe.
Speaker 9 (06:22):
Also, maybe it's just the era I grew up in,
or George Clooney I even think of sometimes more than I.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
Think you're losing all credibility because.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Val Kilmer is actually second. I would put Val Kilmer
over above Christian because George Clooney makes tequila.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
You put him over.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And don't have Christian nothing else.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Now, Oh my god, I don't even need to talk now.
Speaker 9 (06:46):
Well, hey, and the book hasn't been written on Robert
Pattinson yet. I think he hasn't. I'm just saying it
hasn't been written yet.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
He's still got to fuel the dirt being shoveled on
your face as you're getting buried alive.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I still to yourself, I'm with you, I'm with you, Lee.
Speaker 9 (07:04):
Well, of course I still stand by that Christian bale
Or has the best movie people man, the best movies.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm just not the strongest batman.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Okay, outside outside of Keithlecher.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Who else are you saying? Was a great supporting cat?
Speaker 9 (07:23):
Uh Arquette Anthony who played two Face Uh Gary Oldman,
Gary Oldman saw it and everything though they changed uh
they changed what's her face?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Chilling Hall to uh, what's her face?
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Yeah, which struggled, right. I mean I would say I'll
take Michelle Pfeiffer over get.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Chilling all yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
And then don't I'm sorry, dude, I don't think it's
even comparable.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And then don't forget about Will Arnett as Lego Batman
is a great batman. Jesus, what are you talking about?
Lego Batman?
Speaker 9 (07:55):
That's a deep cut Lego Batman. Will Arnett, He's fantastic.
It's it's more of a parody, but it's he's a Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
I know they don't do this and they screen Actors Guild, but.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Someone needs to slap you away, like someone needs to
come up on stage and just Will Smith slap you.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And then George Clooney with the nipples is great. Hold
on a second, whoa hold on?
Speaker 8 (08:16):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
The guy was a stack of toys and you're putting
him ahead of Christian Bale.
Speaker 9 (08:23):
I love Christian Batman. I love Christian Bale. Batman is
not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Okay, what if it was Lincoln Logs in the shape
of a batman? Is that still ahead of Christian Bale
or is it just.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Like it's just as wood and of a performance?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What a disgusting take by Lee? What a disgusting take?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Eddie?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
How can you applaud this? And is a Pittsburgh guy?
How can you applaud this?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Because he's right, you don't like Christian Bale.
Speaker 10 (08:49):
I love christ I agree with almost everything he said.
I love Christian Bale as an actor. He's a better
actor than any other actor that's played the way. But
in that role he was just eh.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Love that manuch bad pinions.
Speaker 9 (09:02):
Wait and if you want to get here's.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
How awfully is Val Kimber was want of the nipples.
Speaker 10 (09:08):
It wasn't George Cloth.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
I'm looking at the picture of Val Kilmer right now.
Speaker 10 (09:13):
Clooney was the one who was.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Famous for Yeah, both of them had it, but Clooning.
Speaker 10 (09:16):
Was one more famous than the other because people talked
about him. Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Alright, let me look this.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
We talked about Val Kilmer's nipplesly not.
Speaker 10 (09:22):
Well, we're talking about him out all right.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Let me all right, let me look this up.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
I'm looking at a photo of him, and it does
not include nipples in this one.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think it did change because of the different movies.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
But just think.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
And by the way, Val Kilmer came before George Clooney, Christopher, Christoph.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
How's that?
Speaker 10 (09:46):
Phil Palkow?
Speaker 9 (09:49):
And if you want to talk to the real nerds
out there, be animated those nipples and smoke it, like,
how do those nipples feel?
Speaker 10 (09:58):
You'll tell me, Man, you're the one looking at picture
of it.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
I can't stop looking at it.
Speaker 10 (10:04):
Just could get together in the right.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
I just I remember my childhood and I don't remember
anyone talking about Batman's nipples throughout my childhood. So apparently
I missed the nineteen ninety five valcoma version and the
Batman and Roberts series in ninety seven with the nipple talk.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
There was a lot of discussion about the Yeah, I'm
just stunned.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I always back to my original point.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Not to jump on you, Jonas, but Christopher Reeves is
the best out of all of them, because he's the
only one that didn't use a muscle.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Suit that Superman Superman.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I'm saying, we're talking about nipples and suits and how
did it better? Is just saying Christopher Reeves is the
only one that used his own body outside of the
original Batman, which his bat his body was super bad.
That the TV show Batman, it was super bad. I'm
just saying, Christopher Reeves, man shouts out Superman and not
even with the Dark Knight.
Speaker 9 (10:59):
And Ben affleck the worst, the worst.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Do you need to break the new sound around that
Eddy to let everybody do?
Speaker 10 (11:07):
I mean you have to shout pretty loud for him
to hear that.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Shot shouts out the Christopher Reeves. Is it Reeves or
Reed Reeves? Reeves?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Reeves?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, dang, Sonny he gone he he didang.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
He's walking Boss Hall.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Jeez, tang damn.
Speaker 10 (11:30):
That kind of cool though, Jonahs, right, if your Superman's
walking your dog, it's pretty I want to.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Walk him, like, not not now but right now, but
I don't want anybody else going near him to mine.
For God's sakes, sapped.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Up to heaven. He's walking want skeleton up there? Or
is he like Boss Hall?
Speaker 6 (11:51):
He is a two undred seventy five pounds skeleton walking
with the embellishments.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You know, I busy puppy. Is he a two hundred
and seventy five pound or is he a full grown?
Is he an adult?
Speaker 8 (12:02):
Like?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
What is he up there?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
We've talked about this, and you know at his peak
he was four hundred and ten pounds and you know that.
But again, I've got it for some reason, like dumb
down the numbers and try and pretend like none of
that was legitimate.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And I'm tired of it, all right. I'm tired of
him being misrepresented.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And if you are up in heaven, if anybody else
goes near, you tell him to stay away.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
So am I hearing this right?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Though?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Lee basically is discounting Christian Bale as Batman because he
had because no, because he's so good in other roles.
So now he's saying that at like you can't differentiate
or separate his Batman persona from his other roles.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
So he gets that supports whatever it is that he says.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
He's usually the voice of reason, like he's the I
trust me, I would in most cases. This has blown
my mind, though, That's why I'm asking the question. Is
this because you think he's such a good actor that
in this role, it wasn't a great role for him,
So you're knocking him down a peg.
Speaker 10 (13:00):
Else would you judge his performance than how he does
in that role.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I would say his performance in that role is better
than every other Batman that's been in that role, regardless
of what he's done in other movies where he's been
a much better.
Speaker 9 (13:11):
Role, better actor in I just simply prefer Michael Keaton.
I appreciate Christian Bell as Batman. I liked him as Batman.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
I mean, we know you don't have the hots for
Kim Basion here.
Speaker 10 (13:21):
We know that, all right, Yes, how do we know
that for pressure?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Because he's got an HD TV?
Speaker 5 (13:28):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, he's he's got it. He's got a TV and
it shows everything.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
This has got to be one of the most awkward
conversations we've ever had in.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
The history of this show. Yeah, but you know what,
we've even touched on on nip Yeah there.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
As well too.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I mean, look, you know the NFL Drea.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
I put in the group chat. There's no nipples in
the George Clooney shot that I just send you.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Guys said, no, that's what I'm saying it looks like
hands though, hands on his chest, and I.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Mean I'm looking at it. I see I see them
loud and clear.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Yang.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
The one I sent you, I didn't see that on
you got good focusedly see nipples on the one picture
said you got a good nipple detector.
Speaker 10 (14:11):
I think great has moved over to check out the nipples.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Of course, there's no nipples in the photo, don't.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, what the one you sent Brady is one
that was never in the movie.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That was that was like something I was showing you
what that was.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
That was some promo photo that wasn't That wasn't even
cost you more than the movie.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
I just think it's disrespectful that Val Kilmore had the
nipples first and you didn't give them any You didn't
pay any attention.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
To Val as awkward.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Awkward?
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Why because they're a lower place in the chest. How
are we going to define this not as pointy?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
My god, all right, listen, two pros and a cup
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Thank you, Johnny.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's gonna that's going to conclude our coverage of the
twenty twenty six NFL Draft.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Going to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Thank you, so we will have more on that.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I'm excited about that away we.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Got there because just the stadiums in the uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
All right, so listen, here we go.
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playing beer.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Turning into like a pretty interesting country singer.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, it's talented.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Dude loves loves playing beer pong, loves Dallas Cowboys. So, uh, Lee,
can we get him on the show. This feels like
a show that he could be a part of. I
mean that would be fun.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
That wouldn't be surprised he listens every day? I would
he's probably I know he's a gamer. He's probably up
late game and listen to two pros.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Who needs if you like, delivered a pizza or something
to him at some.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Point, No, I have nuts he stopped by to pick
anybody up or something?
Speaker 8 (16:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (16:49):
No, uh no, I don't know what the degree of
separation is between me and a post. I'll check it
out though, probably far. Can't be too far. Probably two Lorena,
are you Post Malone fan? I love post Yeah, I.
Speaker 13 (17:02):
Could tell you one of the guys I used to
date you could just play beer pong with him?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh really? Yeah? Wow? Yes?
Speaker 13 (17:09):
What my circle is pretty close.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
What is one of the guys you used to date
plays beer pong with him? Where it takes place?
Speaker 13 (17:17):
Yeah, so he's a DJ for Tyler. Yahweh?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
What Yeah, it's it's yeah. Is that a restaurant?
Speaker 8 (17:25):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What's the Tyler?
Speaker 13 (17:28):
What Tyler?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yahweh?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
What is that?
Speaker 13 (17:31):
I met him at a Saint John concert anyways, Yeah,
it was great.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So you guys, so you've got an in basically the
post Malone.
Speaker 13 (17:39):
Yes, I feel like I could get in smelling distance
of him.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
That's creepy.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Would you smell him and smelling distance?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yes?
Speaker 13 (17:48):
I bet he smells like beer and cigarettes.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Tang from like being creepy and weird.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
And now it's just like that's rude cologne.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
How do you know he's not wearing a nice cologne
or something?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Kid man post cologne?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
You just call him?
Speaker 7 (18:06):
You should judge a book.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
By Lee just called him, just called him post cologne.
Oh no, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 9 (18:14):
You should get a Colonne post Colone.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
Yeah, but the problem is you just call it posts.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
The name is great.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
How about the smell, Like, what do we think as
far as the smell goes, cigarettes, bud Light, Marlboroughs and
just rock with that.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
And alcohol, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
He's got to have like that skin skin brazier or
you know, like the whole razor bumps deal on it. Like,
you know, tough skin, it's got to have that tough
skin smell to it.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Tense skin.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, toughkin does have an interesting smell to it,
doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Yeah, now that you say that, I kind of miss it.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah did you put that? You put that with some smoke.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
I need to put some my tough skin onto some
yardwork or something, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, nice, honest what you're talking about?
Speaker 8 (19:01):
What?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Because I don't have a.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Yard you ever.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Was the last time you put on tough skin.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I was born with tough skin, Okay, and you know
that growing up in the hair.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
No, I don't because you put lotion on your hands,
which thank god we've been able to avoid up to
this point since Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
All Right, listen, you keep knocking on the cage and
you want to. You want to, you want to mess
with the animal. Yeah, it's me personified, That's what it is.
So it's the spy.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
You put on.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
It's the spray you put on before you put tape, like,
get your stuff taped up.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, I mean if you need that, but I don't
need that. Like I'll go do a crocodile mile on
astro turf with no water.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That's what I'll do, all right.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Whatever, listen, you guys can you guys can say what
you want about tough skin, but apparently you're gonna need
some tough skin if you want to play in the
NFL moving forward.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
You want to know why we were talking about smell,
but why we can use prominently and.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, okay, well it's going to be used a lot more,
especially if they go to eighteen games.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
It working on it, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, because it feels like that's on the horizon now.
Roger Goodell did talk yesterday about the potential and sort
of what they're thinking as far as the pushback and
sort of the things they need to get by in
order to implement this eighteen game season.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 14 (20:21):
The key thing for us is looking at making sure
we continue to do the things to make our game safer.
So we want to make sure that that hits the
first boundary. The seventeen games is a long season, so
we want to make sure we look at that and
make sure that we continue the safety efforts.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
You've seen a lot of the outcomes of that.
Speaker 14 (20:40):
Kickoffs are a good example of the hip drop so
we're going to continue to do that. That's number one.
Working with our players associations. Number two, you know we
would reach and agreement with them if we're going to
proceed on that level. But we also third, this is
not necessarily in order is the quality of our game.
We would do it in the context of reducing the
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number of preseason games. We think that's a good trade.
Less preseason games and more regular season games. I think
most anybody who would think was beneficial. But again, those
other two factors are really.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Important beneficial to their wallets.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I mean, that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
If you think about preseason games, who is the most
beneficial for It's most beneficial for the poorest of the
NFL players. It's the young players, the rookies coming into
the league because they haven't gotten up to that game
speed in a real live game scenario in the NFL.
And then it's the back end of the roster guys
who are trying to make a roster because for the
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most part, you know, for the for the bigger name guys,
guys who are paid they're gonna make it, they're not
even playing.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
So it's really for the younger guys.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
The back end of the roster guys proven to you
that they can play. And that's unfortunately in the NFL,
the the lower income players of the NFL. So of
course Roger Goodell, who represents the owners, is going to say, yeah,
it's not you know, it's not really beneficial to anyone.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Well, it is beneficial.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
It's beneficial players, it's beneficial to coaches to some degree.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
You know.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
The other thing we don't ever talk about is when
you talk about like lack of development, we don't talk
about the lack of development with coaching staffs. Preseason games
oftentimes now are given, you know, position callers, oftentimes minority
coaches that are on the staff an opportunity to call
plays because once the real games come, that's not happening
as much. But you might have an opportunity to hey, hey,
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you're calling the defense, you're calling the offense for this
this preseason game. Head coaches do that oftentimes to get
some of their assistants some real live reps, which is
a great thing for young coaches in the league. I
hate the fact that since Roger Goodell has taken over,
and I'm sure people are gonna take shots of me
for saying, well, it's a boosts that that, you know,
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they should be concerned about raising revenue, you know, creating,
putting more money and lining the pockets of the owners.
You are losing your product, like you're losing a piece
of this and your desire to try to make as
much money as humanly possible for these owners. You're going
to lose the quality of the game, the quality of
the product in many different ways. And so I get
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concerned about that, and I just hope Lloyd Howell Junior
now has taken over as was recently elected as the
executive director for the NFLPA, get lifetime health care like
that would be the biggest stamp ever for an executive
director in my opinion, for the NFLPA, if they were
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to be able to get lifetime health care actively. That's
that's part of it. Yeah, that's part of it. Because
obviously the players who are you know, currently you know,
playing in the NFL, they'll receive it. Guys five years out,
they can receive it. But they that comes in saying
that it's going to be for the older generations, the
older players. Typically, most collective Bardian agreements have put in
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some you know, detective measures for older players.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Past generations. And so I'm not just saying this for myself.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
I'm staying it for guys who are way older than
I am that need it right now badly and there's resources.
But just do it, like that's the one thing that
you can make these owners agree to, say lifetime healthcare.
That's a win win for everyone, and then let's move forward.
That's the one big ticket item they need to push for.
Every player should be four. There's there shouldn't even be
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a debate on that. It should just be lifetime healthcare
and figure it out whether that's for you know, a
credited you know players, you know, five seasons, three, whatever
it is. They'll come up with that number. But they
need to figure that out more than anything else.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, I just think it's it's it's almost like an
oxymorn to say we want to make the game safer,
but then make the season longer. I just I don't
feel like, how does that, How does that make sense?
How does that? How do you make that make sense?
Other than to say what he said, like the hip
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drop and the kickoff rule and all that stuff, you're
altering a game. And I would say this, you're banking
on the fact that the new added way of going
about football is better than the traditional style and the
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traditional way of playing the game. And Roger Goodell has
bet on hisself, and I mean and he has he
has been on I mean, it's not like he hasn't
been a successful commissioner. He has grown the numbers, he's
grown the game, the reach of it. It's it's seemingly working.
But I just wonder, at what point do you start
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to look at a product and say it's watered down.
I mean, I just I think they're dangerously close to
hitting a space where you might actually look at a
game that you truly love in a league that has
become America's pastime, and look at it and say, this
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is this is pretty watered now. You know That's my
concern as I look at it.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Do you guys have faith though, that the NFLPA is
going to push for lifetime healthcare, that they're going to
think about the quality of the player as opposed to
the quality of the dollar. And how do you have
confidence in that? Because I look at it from the
outside and I go, look, it could get watered down,
and lifetime healthcare is a great idea. I'm skeptical that
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any of that is even factored in, and ultimately we're
going to get to an eighteen game regular season within
the next two years. And what's going to happen is
the NFLPA is going to cave agree to something that
they're going to regret two or three years in promise
it's going to be different the next time around, and
away we go with a discussion that's just going to
keep going moving forward. It just feels like that's where
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this always ends up.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
I'm hoping it doesn't.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
I'm hoping We've got I won a new leader and
executive director, Lloyd how Junior, and I'm hoping there's enough
strength amongst.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Players or they should push for this.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
But this is also something that you know, if you
look at how players tend to be able to get
things done in the CBA or even when there's negotiations
like that that you know take place in between the
CBA negotiations, oftentimes like there's a campaign, there's a coordated
effort and a campaign to kind of get this thing done, and.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
There hasn't been any.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
So that's the hard part about you know, my hope
for what I think would be the best thing moving
forward for every player, and it should be a no
brainer in what is the dangerous, most dangerous sport of
any of the professional sports is push for it and
get it. I mean, there's other leagues that have other
benefits to what they have, and for whatever reason, the
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NFL has never set this as a precedent. I should say,
the NFLPA has never made you know this a president
or you know their key initiatives of the collective barring agreement.
And I understand there's a lot of things that go
into that, but this still needs to be that one
big ticket item and take away. The owners come to
the table with usually one to three things that are
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big ticket things they look for.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
In this case, we know what they want. They want
at games.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Okay, you want eighteen games, give us lifetime healthcare, and
then here are the conditions in terms of which we're saying,
you know, guys who are vested, guys who've played in
the league, whether it's three five years, whatever you do,
there's always that point and the owners will probably dictate
that because they know the average career span for most
players is under three years, so they set it at
a mark where it's going to take out if you
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do the Bell curve about half of the players who
make it in the NFL but never become vested. And
then that way that you know they can have an
idea of what that number looks like in the future.
Is healthcare costs continue to go up. So that's what
it's about. But that's the one thing I know. I
keep harping on this, but it's needed a big time,
especially for past gen or rations of players.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Well, hopefully we'll get some more answers from Albert Breer.
Maybe he's got an optimistic outlook on how this whole
thing turns out. But it is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. By the way,
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Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
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Speaker 1 (29:35):
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Speaker 2 (29:47):
Albert Breer's in senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
the MMQB. You can get them on Twitter at Albert
Breer AB. Good morning, How are you hey?
Speaker 8 (29:56):
What's up? How you doing good?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Roger Can comments yesterday about the eighteen game season. Yeah,
a prelude to this happening, and what what do we
think in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
What was your takeaway?
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Yeah? I mean I think when they start talking about
it this public, usually it means it's going to get done.
So I think, you know, unfortunately for some people that's
maybe a data complete Now, I think there are two
things to look at. Number One, unlike the last time
they expanded the schedule, that the players do have some
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detail power here. The players have to agree to go
to eighteen games, So what are they asking for back?
On whether they're getting back. I think if I'm a
player right now, you know what I'm looking for is
finding a way to create more freedom for myself to
make money while I'm still playing. If you're going to
affect my longevity by extending the season. So what does
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that mean. That could mean, you know, three years instead
of port to get the free agency. That could mean
taking some of the restrictions off when guys do become
free agents, whether that's tags or whatever else. Like, that's
what I would be looking for if I was a
player and I knew that this was this was something
that the owners really wanted. So I think that that
part of the negotiation is going to be interesting because again,
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the players do have some detail power that's written into
the CBA. The second piece of this is the television contracts,
and that's where I think you can watch what's happening
in the NBA. It's really interesting to see what those
numbers wind up showing us. You know, and maybe you
know some of the numbers that you know, college football
is able to generate with the playoff expanding and everything
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else affect this too. They have outs. The NFL is
outs in the television deals in twenty eight and twenty nine,
and so now with Netflix and and Amazon a part
of the picture, and you know, I think a changing
landscape and broadcasting if the owners are looking at it
and saying we want to opt out, you know, in
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twenty eight or twenty nine. Well, then you know, are
you at that point looking to have a product that
you can sell. It's got more games, not less as
part of it, you know, And so I would think
that this is coming. I would think that the players
are going to want something substantial in return for it.
And my guess is that it happens probably sooner rather
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than later, especially if they're going to opt out of
the television deals in a few years.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
You think that's almost a guarantee the owners will opt
out of the of the deal.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
I don't know for sure, Brady. I think it's like
I think, I think there's a likelihood of it, and
I think history would tell you tell you that they
will now again, like I think some of it could.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Ride on like what happened real quick, Albert. Why would
the history tell us that.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
The owners when the players have when the when the
owners have to opt outs, they generally do opt out.
Like that's generally what it's been like if you look
at like the history of it, like this happened with
the c b A. You know, the lockout happened as
a result of the owners opting out of the C
B A. You know, the owners general I mean generally,
the numbers keep going up, you know, and you know,
if if the numbers are keep going up, and you know,
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the contracts wind up looking a little bit outdated, then
of course they're going to opt out. You know. That's
generally why. I can't imagine what would happen to make
the numbers go the other way where it would be
beneficial for them to opt out. I guess that could happen,
but history tells us they probably will opt out.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
I guess I'd looked at it.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
And the reason why I asked that is, you know,
it's things seem to be going well now. A workstop
is just one thing that always potentially could throw a
wrench in any professional sport as far as how fans
receive it and absorb it. Looking at that big ass
and I've said this, I don't I don't think what.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
You threw out for players is big enough.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
And I think if this is that moment, like this
might be the only moment that I can see in
the future where the players they have a ton of leverage,
not just not not leverage, they have a ton of leverage.
Whyt to ask for lifetime healthcare. You know why I
work for the past players, current players, future players, right
and get that as part of the deal.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Is that too big of an ask in your mind?
Speaker 8 (34:06):
Yeah? I mean I think it's just going to be
like it's if they want and this is what's going
to be interesting, you know with the new with with
Floyd down charge, they're having a new executive director. You know,
we don't have the history that we we had to
go on with the Morris Smith, you know, or certainly
Genough shot behind him before him, So like we don't
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know exactly how he's going to handle this, but he's
very business minded and that's part of the reason why
they hired him, you know what I mean, Like they
hired d because he's a lawyer. They hired this guy
because he's a businessman, you know, and so you know
he's going to be able to maybe see around some
corners that not everybody's able to see around. And so
you know, I think this is you'r right, like a
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great chance for them to test the owners resolve and
like what's the breaking point for them when they throw
their hands up and just say we're seeing with seventeen games.
I don't know, but you're you're very You're you're right, Brady.
I mean, like this is and look, maybe like lifetime
healthcare is part of it. Maybe taking care of past
players are part of it. But this would be a
moment where they would have a rare amount of leverage
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to take advantage of the situation.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Abe.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I want to keep the conversation on the best time
of having leverage and ask about justin Jefferson opting out
of being around right now seeking a new contract, an extension,
whatever it may be. But this to me seems like
this is the most opportune time for him to be
able to maybe try to demand the top of contract
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that and you will reset the white receivers market. What
what's the latest or what's your intel on that?
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Well, he's certainly been patient, you know, and he was
out for the He sat out the off season program
last year too. We spent the majority of it in Miami,
and you know, I wouldn't expect that you see a
lot of him outside of the many. So the other
question is going to be whether or not he takes
this in the training camp, you know what I mean.
And he's got the ability to do it the same
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way nick Bosa did last year. Since he's still on
a rookie contract, the Vikings can forgive fines. You know,
there's the rules about the veteran players where you know
the more veteran players. If you know, you skip training
camp practices, they then they find you. You can't forgive
any of the fines. You know, Justin Jefferson can ask
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for the fines back to which gives him a little
bit more flexibility to carry a holdout into July and August.
And I mean I I if you're him, you've already
benefited from from waiting, right because you look at it
like I'm un Ross Saint Brown. I'll doe respect is
not the receiver Justin Jefferson is. And he got twenty
eight million per year. AJ Brown, who's really really good,
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But again I don't know that he's quite what Justin
Jefferson is. And know he's a little older than Justin is,
Like he got thirty two million and PERR. So if
you're Justin Jefferson and you took on the extra year
of injury risk, and oh, by the way, you got
hurt while taking on that injury risk. He spent a
lot of last year on the shelf because of the
hamstring thing. I mean, like do you have for forty
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you know what I mean? Like, I think it's he's
in a position where he's holding all the cards now,
especially with the Vikings team that's got transit, that's going
through a transition at quarterback and trying to figure out
is Sam Darnold or JJ McCarthy's going to be their guy.
And you know, like those reps in training camp are
going to be really important, and building chemistry and the
new quarterbacks can be really important. You know, all this stuff,
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you know, really really puts puts the cards and in
justin Jefferson's hands, and it'll be interesting to see now
how he plays them.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Albert Briers, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the
mm QB, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So,
going back to Goodell yesterday and speaking about several topics,
one of the things that he was asked about, I
believe it might have been Mark Maski who asked him
was about concern over or like where we're at with
Tom Brady and you know, potential ownership and going through
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the process. And Gadell pointed out that, yeah, you know, obviously,
our concern with him being a broadcaster is access to
team meetings facilities. Okay, well, how's that gonna work? Like,
I mean, is there Like I don't know how many
people are concerned about sort of the potential of a
conflict of interest here, either whether it be other owners
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or other people in the league that you've talked to.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
I mean, they should be concerned, you know what I mean, Like,
this is a this is a very real question, you know,
I I can and and it's a real it's a
very very real advantage that you have. You know, I
remember talking to John Lynch about this, and you know
this was you know, like this year there is years ago.
But like John, when he got that Niners job, I
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remember talking to him about the advantage of having worked
for Bops and like having gotten to go inside every
building in the league. And this is he didn't even
know he was going to be a GM, right, Like
the GM thing kind of came out of nowhere for
him with the Niners. But you know, he had the
advantage at the time of getting to see from the
inside the way every team in the league worked, and
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things that he liked and things that he didn't like.
About what they were doing. Then he was able to
apply those to to to how he built out, you know,
his personnel department in San Francisco, and it helped Kyle
Shanahan build the team there, you know. And so yeah,
I mean, I think it's a very very real thing,
you know, and it shouldn't be underplayed. And you know,
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I can even tell you, like going back, like to
the end of last year, after Josh had been fired
and Antonio Pierce as the interim coach, Tom Brady was
at their last practice of the year and there was
a feeling in that organization at that time that he
was going to have a hand in the coaching search.
Now obviously didn't really work out that way, but Richard
Seymour wound up on that on that panel, and you
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don't think Tom had something to do with that, you know,
on the panel that wunded up picking the head coach.
So I think he already has some level of influence
in the Raiders organization. And if I was another team,
I you know, I just like I think Tom is
going to try to do the job in the level
and I think he's going to be very focused on
doing the best job he can for Fox, but you
certainly would be if you were, you know, one of
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the other thirty one teams. I think you would look
at it and say, you know, we've got to be
a little bit careful about certain things and what we say.
While you know, a guy who is legitimately under contract
to buy a part of the Raiders is in our building, Albert.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
I want to ask you about just some contracts that
are kind of still out there, still looming. You know
a number of players, and obviously we don't have a
ton of time here, so I'll just try to go
through them quickly, Like does anything happened with t Higgins
at this point? We talked about the wide receivers are
already but about quarterbacks like a Dak Prescott, Matt Stafford.
You're seeing a little bit about, you know, some of
the contract issues that they may be having right now
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with the Rams. Just talk to me about who gets
a deal done before the season starts.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
So I think the T Higgins contract probably doesn't happen.
I think he probably holds out into August and shows
up right before the start of the year. I think
one of the main reasons why it's it's difficult for
the for the Bengals, because you know, if you pay
T Higgins, then what do you give Jamar Chase? Right like?
And I think this is where maybe the Bengals have
to start making some choices. So I guess with the
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t Higgins winds up playing playing out the year and
then playing somewhere where else, whether it's going somewhere to
free agent or tag and trade. In twenty twenty five,
I think Brandon a Yuk's got a like decent chance
to get an extension in San Francisco. If he winds
up getting an extension because they love him, there, does
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Deebo Samuel become available? I think that that's a real question,
you know. And then just as far as the quarterbacks,
I think it's interesting because you've got Trevor Lawrence, you
got Dak Prescott, you got Jordan Love and Tua, And
you know, I think all of those guys, maybe absent Dak,
wind up getting deals done. I think I think, you know,
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Trevor might be the first one. Then maybe Jordan Loved,
then Tua. The question I have with Dak, it's just
I don't know, guys. I'm like, I'm sort of starting
to get this feeling are the Cowboys with dak now
where like the Rams were with Jared Goff in twenty twenty,
which is like, we love you and you've done a
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great job for us, and you've played great for us,
but do we sort of want to kind of keep
our options open and look around? I just you know,
you look at their actions in the way they've operated
and they still to take care of Ceedee Lamb and
Micah Parsons, and I just I you know, that one's
kind of it just feels like it's in a weird
spot right now.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Wow, that's an interesting comp same draft class too.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah the bar you got another one?
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Are we No? No, We're good. Okay, so I'm looking
at the Clark.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Now, I got you two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Here at Fox Sports Radio, he's Albert Breersenior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Get him on on Twitter at Albert Breer, and I would.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Ask you a hundred questions a B.
Speaker 8 (43:04):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (43:06):
We were just short.
Speaker 8 (43:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
I didn't want to make it seem like this makes
it Yeah no, no, no, it's just the clock is
is you know, I'm watching the yeah, the clock is the.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, well Albert, let's do again next week.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
Man always fine, thanks guys, I'm really sorry.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
And by the way, how about Albert. No phone issues, nothing,
no children in the background, no dog. But hyped them up.
Speaker 10 (43:30):
And that was the latest.
Speaker 8 (43:33):
In Nashville in the hotel room. That's why. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say, uh and since we're I mean,
is he still there?
Speaker 3 (43:41):
We still got Albert there?
Speaker 8 (43:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:44):
How uh? How's the scene?
Speaker 8 (43:46):
The scene is good?
Speaker 7 (43:48):
Yeah, wait a second, a second, what work trip of
you're on a Nashville.
Speaker 8 (43:54):
There was the owners meetings here. I'm going to business
nice today. But the owners meeting two days did they
have in Nashville?
Speaker 7 (44:01):
Why Nashville don't know? These have like West Palm or
somewhere like Sunny and.
Speaker 8 (44:05):
Well no, but this is this is not the big one.
The big ones in March. So that's always like, that's
the one that's in West Palm or the Bilbourne in Arizona.
This is the this is the lower profile one. This
one actually, so the Tish family which owns a piece
of the Giants, they owned the Low's Hotel chain and
they just opened a Lowe's Hotel and right by Vandy,
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and so this meeting was there. Maybe that's why. That's
the best explanation explanation I can come up with. And
the Titans want to pimp out their new stadium too,
that was part of it. So I guess they took
everybody over to take a look at the They have
a thing called the Titans House where there's the new
stadium out there. Made me feel old too, because I
ran by the old stadium today and I was thinking
(44:49):
to myself, I was in college when the old stadium
opened and now they're tearing it down. So yeah, it
made me feel my years definitely.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
You know, it gets yourself a throat burner and enjoy
the rest of your day.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
There you go, there you go. I think I might
I think I might need to go, uh go go
get my my back rolled out or something very good.
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