May 27, 2024 • 41 mins
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Should be real quick, Brian, I wasn't gonna do this,
but I'm gonna give you a life hack today.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I don't know if you're a coffee guy.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'm a big time coffee guy, but I know we
have plenty of coffee guys out there.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Just something that if you've never tried this, give it
a shot.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
This is not some crazy recipe or something's gonna be
like that's just bonkers. I'm not saying put cicadas in
your coffee or anything like that. If you just want
a different experience, and you're a cream guy, try some
heavy cream instead of like half and half or milk
or something like that. Just pure heavy whipping cream. Big
big keto guy myself and have been now for years
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and it's been huge for me and losing half a person,
losing one hundred and twenty eight pounds or actually waiting
longer one hundred and twenty eight and one year and
then like one ninety.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Five over a two year span.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Wow heavy cream which has like zero carbs, and it's
got a little bit of calories, but you're not dumping
half the half the thing in there. It adds this
layer of smoothness to the coffee. It doesn't matter cheap coffee,
expensive coffee, any coffee. And it gives almost like a
savory feel. It's not like putting butter in your coffee,
but it's it has a kind of a sense of
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that without being that ridiculous. It's a good thing to try.
It's not an expensive thing to buy.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Just give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I think it will. Maybe it's not for you, but
you should give it a shot.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I'll tell you two things, but one I don't even
understand myself sometimes, and coffee is one of these times.
I love coffee and I hardly ever drink it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't even understand that.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
How can you love something and you're like, yeah, maybe
two months from now, I'll have a cup of coffee.
It doesn't make any sense. I don't understand that about myself.
But I just naturally wake up in the morning and
I'm good. I'm fine, you know, like and I'm not
a huge morning person, but I guess that's the main
reason is I'm just so conditioned to waking up and
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going like, for instance, this show it's on early right
I'm down in New Orleans right now physically, and so
it starts at five am, so you're getting up in
the four o'clock hour. I can wake up and just
be like, that's good, let's go, you know, And so
I don't get into that habit. The other thing, though,
is you lost almost two bills over how long that's
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applause to you? This is over a bit like a
year and a half or so. You lost one hundred
and ninety five pounds.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I was backing like two and I may have
been seventeen or eighteen. I could go back and look
for sure, but yeah, I just had a complete a
mental shift that I just hand glory to God for
because he just woke me up one day and changed it.
I went to the Super Bowl in Houston to cover
it and had to use a seat belt extender on
the way back on the flight, and something just triggered
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in me. It's like, how long do you want to
do this? And I had been praying for years and
just felt like, you know, this was not a thing.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That that was going to happen for me.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And I just woke up one day and my mind
just said, how about you just knock out the carbs
and knock out the sugar. I didn't look anything up.
I didn't do anything. And then it was, why don't
you just head to the gym see if you can
walk for ten minutes? And that was tough for me
at three hundred and seventy pounds at this point in time. Sure,
and then it was how about fifteen minutes? And then
it was how about twenty And then I went and
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got blood work, and I was sure I was going
to have diabetes and high blood pressure and everything under
the sun. There's a history of it in my family.
And you know, they weighed me and they said, you know,
you definitely need to do something about this, and I said, well,
I've had this kind of feeling that I need to
do X, Y and Z, and they said, well, that's
a good start. And so I went home and I
had blood work done like six weeks later, and I
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got reweighed at that point in time, and I felt like,
just tell me, I've lost a pound from what I've
been doing and I'll feel pretty good and the doctor
comes in and gives me a high five and says, man,
you've lost thirty one pounds in six weeks.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Wow. And it just kept going.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I started basically losing five pounds every two weeks from
that point on, and in that first year, I lost
one twenty eight. My blood work came back perfect, which
was stunning to me considering the life that I was
living at the time, and then I was able to
lose another seventy or so. But I mean, when I
started with Klay Travis in the mornings, in this very
time slot, I was three seventy.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And just by the grace of God, that's the only
just point the direction straight to him.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
He has.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
He completely changed my life. And so that's where that
life act comes from. Is I mean, and coffee all
the time. It's my passion and my hobby. One of
the big reasons is more coffee I'm drinking the less
of anything else. I've been just satisfies me all day long.
I don't put cream and sugar and all that. I
do put heavy cream in here and there, and so
I just wanted to throw that out this morning. Didn't
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want to derailist from the sports conversation, but yeah, I
lost half a person legitimately.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
No, man, that's good, I'll say real fast because I
know you would have moved on. But it just makes
me think of I was living in Fresno at the time.
Eddie Garcia has Fresno roots, right, I was doing local
radio and Fresno and I had to get like a
physical or some check up or something going on, and
they were like, dude, your cholesterol is through the freaking roof, right,
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what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I was Jason, like daily just crushing banquet chicken. It's
frozen chicken, comes in a box, and I'm just killing
banquet chicken all the time. And the point is, yeah,
like what is it like, no, Net Brenden, No, just
like I didn't go with the bread and kind But
I think sometimes we're just freaking idiots and we should
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know better and for whatever reason, we just don't. But
thankfully the light bulb went on with both of us
that we made some changes. It's like, oh, drinking water
is good for you, huh wow, I should give that
a shot. Like obvious stuff. But credit to you man,
that's awesome. You put in all that hard work, It's
paid off.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You said, sometimes we're freaking idiots.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So is that like Karl Anthony Towns continuing to shoot
three eason yes or thirty two yes, and that's exactly
his size to try to make himself feel better about
having a few go through the net real close in
the paint like it's it's insane to me. But you know,
we have not talked about it at all on this
program yet. Today Brian the Eastern Conference Finals, which may
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well come to an end tonight.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Rick Carlisle says they're coming. Oh for the Celtics. Oh boy,
he was upset with a Do you think Drew Holiday
fouled no on the steal?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Not not in today's NBA.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Okay, okay, they've changed it like ever since the All
Star Break. You have to colabor someone in the head
to maybe draw a foul like they they let a
lot of these ticki tac calls go and there was contact.
But the way the NBA has been officiated for half
of the regular season and most of the playoffs, no,
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I have no problem with that being a no call.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, I tend to agree with you. I think that
if it's a different player that Drew Holliday does that too,
maybe the call doesn't you know, goes the other way.
But there was definitely not a star.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Move right there where you were you were likely to
get that call.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
But either way, you look at this series, Game one,
Pacers should have won it, Yeah, found a way to
lose it, and then in Game three it just you
don't have Halliburton, but you have DeMar Go Insane, you
have all the scoring in the world for them, and
you still end up losing that game in the end.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
It's like it just.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Ran out of gas at the very end, and the
Celtics kind of just do what the Celtics do. We
talked about this the last time joon auerhost. I think
is just that Torres and I on Saturday Nights have
discussed about how the Celtics play like dramatic games, but
they're kind of boring to watch for some reason, like
compared to some other teams. They do like they're really
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good and they should win the championship, and everybody is
saying that right now. Are you impressed or concerned by
what you have seen? Is it impressive that they came back,
for instance, on Saturday, or would you rather not be
that close?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
That's an interesting question. I thought that it was impressive
the way they came back. They were down by eighteen,
the defense, they cranked up the defense. It was night
and day between the first half and the second half,
and especially Drew Holiday the defensive play. They hit some
clutch shots down the stretch. So I looked at the
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positives more than but I get it. You're down eighteen
to a team that didn't have Halliburton, Like, what are
you guys doing? But I think Jason, that's how Boston
is mostly viewed. They're viewed as what they don't do
well or what they should have done better, instead of
what they actually did bring to the table. And it's
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just funny where the honeymoon is clearly over with Boston.
And I think once they got to the finals a
couple of years ago and they lost to the Warriors,
they were absolutely in championship or bust mode. And so
we see the talent, we see the playmaking ability, we
see the star power with Tatum and Brown, and our
expectations are so high that when Boston has a let
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down and maybe drops a game, to Miami without Jimmy
Butler or the Calves without Donovan Mitchell or what have you.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Right, we're just like, what is this? What are they doing?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Like oh my gosh, But you stop, take a breath,
and you're like, they're gonna end up losing maybe two
games in the whole Eastern Conference playoffs en route to
a finals appearance. And I just think that we look
at what Boston doesn't do well instead of what they
actually do bring to the table. They've done all this
without berzingis right, Like it can't just be they're lucky
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and we give them no flowers when they deserve them.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
They do deserve a lot of props.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
And I think if it's Dallas Boston, for all the
negativity out there, Boston is live.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
In that matchup. If that's what we get.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
They're an odd team because it's like they don't want
to show how good we know that they are. And
when you look at their roster, they'd have so many
ways to beat you. They play great defense. I think
they're the best three point shooting team in the NBA
by the statistics. They've got a couple of closers I
will say I don't know what it is. In this postseason,
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I have come in a different direction to appreciate Jayleen
Brown more.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Than I thought I was going to.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I mean, I've watched him for a long time, but
I was pretty vociferous after last year that they should
have moved on because it felt like that that tandem
was not making the best for either one of them.
It's like, you keep one of them and you move on.
And at the time I was pro Tatum big time.
I actually think, you tell me if I'm insane for this,
But I'm not saying he's the better player. But I
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think I want more Jaywen Brown than I do Jason Tatum.
I know how good Jason Tatum is, but there's something
about Brown that feels tougher, more just he has more
of a killer mentality. To me, There's there's like I
would rather you play with the pulse of Jaywen Brown
than the pay than the pulse of Jason Tatum. And
I know that's crazy to say coming off a thirty
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plus point performance from Tatum where he was excellent, especially
in the second half of the first quarter that game.
But I've come around to where I think Tatum is
actually the one I'd want to go to war with
in terms of on the floor as opposed to Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
To me, what I want more of is just more
ball movement, you know, the ball sticks. So many times
I freaking hate their offense because I don't have anything
against ISO matchups because Tatum is magnificent as an ISO player.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
They just rely on it way too much.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Where you'll see Al Horford or if Sam Hauser is
out there on the court, he's a great three point shooter.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
He can't buy one in this series.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Again, the Pacers over, but they just park themselves in
the corner and they'll stay there the whole offensive set.
I don't know how many times Jason Tatum is just
dribbling the ball at the top of.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
The circle right and it's.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Like, all right, there's seven seconds left. You just got
to create something and go ISO where Man, You look
at the Pacers and it's cutting, moving screens. You see
the game last night, even Minnesota, even though they faded
down the stretch the final five minutes, they're running like
the three man weave. They're moving, they're cutting, they're handing
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the ball off. Sometimes that sets up easier shots and
Boston's offense just doesn't do that. They remind me of
the Warriors before Steve Kerr got there. Their offense looked
completely different with Mark Jackson, and I think more movement,
move the ball like set some screens have some motion.
They're just such a stagnant offense, and I think they
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get stuck in the mud way too often that way.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean, interestingly enough, I actually thought Edwards was
guilty of that last night. A little bit more often,
like I don't need to see eight seconds on the
shot clock and you standing ten feet beyond the three
point line with the ball. I know you're the guy
and you want to go make a play. I'm not
suggesting that you're not capable of that. But I have
come to appreciate the Mike Conley's of the world more
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and more because Conley opens up the floor.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I don't necessarily like, I love the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
In Anthony Edwards's hands, but also like kindly driving and
creating and that being kind of the way that it's
set up, as opposed to there is way too much
ISO basketball. And that was the problem with the Oklahoma
City Thunder when Durant and Westbrook were in their heyday
is you had other guys standing around that were almost
disengaged in the play because they were waiting to see
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one of the stars make something happen. It doesn't need
to be that way. There's five guys on the floor
for a reason. You can utilize them as more than
just decoys, guys that you can give it to if
you get into just dire trouble in the paint, you
know you can actually they can actually move around and
do things for you and create. And there are teams
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that take advantage of that clearly in teams.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
That do not. So yeah, yeah, that's a really good
point by you.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I would say real fast where I think that ball movement.
I think that helps you get into a rhythm because
just think of this. If your Sam Hauser again, he
had a really good regular season. He hasn't hit a
three in this series against the Pacers, but think how
challenging it would be. Jason, you get into the game
and you park yourself in the corner, and possession after
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possession after possession, you don't even touch the basketball, you.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And then finally Derek White or somebody drives in, they
kick it out now it's your time.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Can a corner three.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
You know you haven't touched the ball in five to
seven possessions, and now you're expected to just drain a
jumper when you're called off the bench. I just think
that more ball movement, touching the ball that gets you
in a better flow, in a better rhythm. And I
think their offense looks far too choppy, and with the
playmakers they have, I think if they moved it and
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just had more motion, I think it would help their
offense a ton.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's very much true.
So when we come back out of the break.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
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off the air. Luka doncic Brian, do you think Mavericks
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fans watch him and say, gosh, I'm glad he plays
for our team because I would I could not stand
him if you did.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
They might I know that fans of other teams look
at it and say, man, that guy is a freaking baller.
But goodness, there's just something about him that royally ticks me.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Off, like that time for you.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
No, It's like, here's the thing with Luca is he
just can playing so much all the time. I've joked
that I've had complaining girlfriends that never complained half as
much as Luca does during a basketball game, and that's true.
But because that guy is just constantly with him, he
thinks he's never committed a foul. He thinks every call
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should go his way, and it's just distracting.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Man.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
There's one thing to work the officials, there's another thing
to be just distracted by every call that doesn't go
your way. And from a fans perspective, it's just like,
bro play the game at some point.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
He's such a special talent.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's just like that, theatrics and the whining, and I
don't know I could do without a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Do you think that is some of that come up?
Like he feels like a soccer player.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
To me, Yeah, I mean he he plays.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Like like a you're like a like an EPL player
or something like that, where everything he does is right,
everything anyone does to him is wrong. He over sells,
he flops all those things. And then at the same time,
some of the shots that he makes, just the spin
that he puts on the ball, Yeah, the touch that
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he has, the timing that I want it in the
toughest moments with your best defender on me.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I want the defensive player of the year on me.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I'm gonna put him on skates, hit a three, and
then use massive expletives at him.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Almost immediately.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I did think it was kind of amazing that you
got that early technical foul on Minnesota for like nothing
at all, basically for just kind of shoving.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Off a call from Tony Brothers.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Like I think I can't remember the player right now,
but he just kind of shoved him off, not physically,
just took his arm as just like terrible call. Teed
up Luka Dancic in the fourth quarter. Man got called
on a foul, jumps up and down.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yep, like a toddler that had had like all his
toys taken from him.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Nothing like it's amazing. It's almost like the officials aren't
gonna call it now because that's just Luca. Yeah, it's
just there are different rules for Luca because if you
did officiate him the way you officiated everybody else, he
would have like five or sixties a game just for
the whining, the griping and the complaining.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, it's crazy too, because the call was right. It
was Yeah, I forget who he tried to He tried
to strip the ball from behind, and he tried to
just hit the ball nothing but arm, nothing but arm.
And he's jumping up and down like you said, and
he got the benefit of the doubt. It pays to
be a superstar at times, you know. But uh, look, man,
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it's just he's a special player.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He is.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I didn't mind the trash talking toward Rudy Gobert when here.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, that's that. I'm cool with all that.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
It's just the constant whining and the times when he's
whining and he's totally wrong, like it was a foul
on him and he's acting like they made the worst
call ever. It's just like, bro, just do what you do.
You're so special. We don't need all the extra stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Is there anybody else in the league right now? Even close?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
When it comes to that side of it, the gripe
being the complaining at the officials, like I mean, I
remember you.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I used to watch the Spurs.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And think Tim Duncan never believed he committed a foul. Yeah,
but his act was always the same. He would just
raise both his arms and look incredulous.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Absolutely, every single time I think Lebron has done not
to a Luca level, Lebron has absolutely been guilty of that.
I think Trey Young does that an awful lot, believe
it or not. Damian Lillard, he'll hear me out. There
were times where he was just falling into that, falling
into that, and he saw it in himself. He had
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self awareness and he was like, you know what, I'm
just not going to focus on that. And there were
times in the playoffs where he's like, you know what,
I'm just not going to complain and he didn't. So
I would like Luca to have more self awareness when
it comes to that.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
At the same time, I don't know if he is
the same player without it. It just feels like it's
part and parcel because there's nothing artificial about it.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I legitimately just believe that's how he's wired and that's
who he is.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I don't know that that's the best thing, but I
think you have to take that side of Luca to
get everything else, because that's part of the competitive nature.
Is he's going to argue every call. He's gonna go
to the map for everything. If they gave him time,
he would probably like pantomime what had just happened again,
just to make this is what happened, like reenactment, like
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this is some kind of a criminal trial or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He would do whatever it took.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And I think that's part of what makes him great,
is what makes him that irritating.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I hear you. I think that it's a bit like Jokic, right.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Jokic will do those things where that's just sort of him,
where he's just he's a passionate guy, and if he
thinks that the wrong call was made, he's gonna have
these expressions and these mannerisms where it's not just head down,
go to the other end of the court like Dilch,
just lock in and do our job. He's gonna complain.
He's gonna be vocal about it. So I get that,
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but I also think that both Luca both you know,
Yo Kic, anyone you want to say that's a chronic complainer.
I still think they would absolutely be special players if
they found a way to cut that out, and.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
They could, they easily could.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
It's just like, go to the other end of the court,
focus on defense, you know what I mean. But they
just Luca, especially, he just he will not ben and
until he sees that it's really hurting his team or
he's getting teed up left and right. He's really he's
like a young kid that's misbehaving and the parents don't
put him in check, right, Like, if the officials aren't
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doing it, if Jason Kidd isn't doing it, if teammates
aren't doing it, and he's just allowed to misbehave, he's
gonna keep misbehaving. So I don't expect it to change
anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The other thing you don't expect to change is him
suddenly not being able to shoot the basketball in clutch situation.
So I hope you like the winding and the complaining, folks,
because it's very likely, matter of fact, historically it's impossible,
at least to this point, that he's not going to
be doing that in the NBA Finals this year, because
it's never actually happened. The three to zero comeback in
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the Western Coffs Finals to send somebody to the NBA Finals.
So I'll tell you somebody that never complains except when
you fail to address him as mister Garcia.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
That would be our friend, Eddie Garcia. Let's catch up
on the latest Eddie.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
All right, thank you, Jason. We will start in the
NBA Game three Western Conference Finals and the Mavericks take
down the Timberwolves again one sixteen to one oh seven,
Dallas outscoring Minnesota fourteen to three in the final five minutes.
Luka Dodgach and Kyrie Irving each thirty three points in
the win for the Mavericks. In the lost for Minnesota,
Anthony Edwards led him with twenty six points. Karl Anthony
town struggled fourteen points five of eighteen from the field.
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Dallas leads a series three games to nothing. Game for
LB Tuesday and Dallas. One injury note from this when
Mavericks player Derek Wively took a knee to the head
in the game from Karl Anthony Towns didn't return. He
was diagnosed with a next brain Game four, the Eastern
Conference Finals comes up tonight, Celtics looking to wrap it
up in a four game sweep. They lead the series
three nothing. Game four in Indiana coming up tonight. NHL
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Game three Eastern Conference Finals. Rangers pull out one against
the Panthers in Florida in overtime, five to four, alex
Wenberg for New York to flex in the game winner
in sudden death. Alexis Slotrenier and Barkley Gutro each had
a pair of goals for New York as well as
they grabbed a two to one lead in the series.
Game four will be Tuesday in Florida. Baseball News Reigning
National League MVP Ronald Acuno Junior toward the ACL and
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his lefty Sunday will miss the rest of the season
on the diamond. The Guardians made it nine wins in
a row with a five to four win over the Angels.
Cleveland gets their third straight three game series sweep and
they're now percentage points up on the Yankees with the
top record in the American League with a thirty six
and seventeen record. Yankees fall to thirty seven and eighteen
with a five to two loss to the Padres. Philly
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Is lose to the Rockies five to two, but still
have the best record in the National League and in
Baseball at thirty eight and sixteen. Drew's fauld of the
Reds four to one. ELI gets swept in the series.
Matter of fact, they've lost five in a row. Orioles
wrap up a sweep of the White Sox with a
four to one win. That was a four game series sweep.
Royals lose to the Raise four to one. Braves over
the Pirates eighty one. Cardinals get by the Cubs four
to three. Auto Racing one hundred and eighth running of
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the Indy five hundred Joseph Newgarden one for the second
straight year. He's the first repeat winner of this race
since Elo castron nevis in two thousand and one and
two thousand and two. Now back to Jason Martin, Brian
Knownthtirack dot Com, Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Thank you, mister Garcia. We are here, two pros and
a cup of Joe. They are out today for the holiday.
Hopefully you're spending time with your loved ones as well
as we remember and cherish in honor of those who
made it possible for us to be free. We're in
the tyrack dot Com studios. I just tuned out during
the Baseball Highlights, Brian, because we lost to Counya Junior
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year yesterday, and as a Braves fan, it's been tough.
You lose Spencer Stryder, you lose Acunya. Olsen hasn't really
looked like himself so far. Ryley, he hasn't looked like
himself so far.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Uh, it's tough.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Although the last time the Acuna Junior missed part of
the season, the Braves won the World Series, so I
guess that's that's that's me trying to feel optimistic about it.
But that was tough, especially when I mean the cameras
didn't even have it. They had we had to see
it on the replay what actually happened to Acunya because
they moved on and then all of a sudden you
look up and he's down and they say knee soreness,
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and then later on maybe he's gonna miss a month.
And then as soon as they got back they were
able to do an MRI in Atlanta and find out,
oh no, it's a completely torn acl and he's done
for the year.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I was watching that game live. I'm not sure why.
I don't know, but I was watching it live. He
was on second base and he acted like he was
going to run toward third and just backtracked to second
and went down. And I'm like, oh, man, you hear
that in the NFL all the time, those contact interact injuries.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I'm like, man, that could be bad news.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And it was torn acl That's just brutal because he's
such a special player, and uh, that's just a freak
weird injury. I'm just looking at the standings too, Philadelphia.
The Phillies have been unbelievable. They're thirty eight and sixteen,
even though he got smacked around by the Rockies yesterday.
But thirty eight and sixteen. But you look at the Braves,
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they're only six games back. Yeah, as great as Philly
has been, and most of their wins have been against
teams that have losing records, so maybe they come back
to earth a little bit. But losing Acunya Junior man,
that's a that's a huge, huge loss for the Braves.
The numbers he put up last season, He's just a
sensational player. I hate that he got hurt in general,
I really hate that he got hurt that way.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's just such a freak thing to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, I mean it's it's unfortunate and unfortunately, it's just
something that happens and HAPs in every sport. But yeah,
not the best day for me and for my fellow
Braves fans. Uh, pretty good day right now for Dallas
Mavericks fans. Seems like still pretty good day for the.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Boston Celtics as well.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I have already done this Maya Kulpa, but since we
talked about an irritant and somebody that was annoying, even
though he's phenomenal in Luka Doncic to open this segment,
I cannot believe Brian how like dialed in comfortable, happy.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
This is not a word but leadery.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Kyrie Irving has been Oh yeah, in Dallas, I was
sure that was gonna fail. I'm not alone. Almost everybody
was sure that was gonna fail. From like, how are
he and Luka Doncic gonna coexist? He's one of the
biggest malcotents in the league and all this kind of stuff.
You got Duran out, you got Hardened out, you got
Lebron out. Kyrie still playing, not just still playing, reminding
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people that he's one of the most talented basketball players
to ever live and making clutch shots.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
He's smiling all over the place.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
He's doing postgame interviews where he's saying really thoughtful things
like where did this guy come from? How is it
that Luka doncic Is is the guy that has found
a way to open up Kyrie Irving to being a
leader and being just fine at times setting up Luca
and making sure his teammates are comforted like this Kyrie Irving,
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Like this guy is awesome to watch, Like right now,
I just want more Kyrie Irving. And I never thought
that I would say that again.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, man, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
One of these things where you rewind to last season
when Dallas traded for Kyrie Irving and the reaction was like,
oh baby, this is gonna be amazing. And it wasn't
like they didn't even they didn't qualify for the play
in tournament.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
They finished in eleventh place in the West.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
They were accused of like dogging out, like they sat
everybody and everything.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yeah, Jason Kidd, remember he was like, hey, it is
what it is. You know, I don't make that call
where they did. They rested their stars and they tried
to save a draft pick. They intentionally tried to not
qualify for the playing tournament. But anyway, they were eleventh
in the West last season and we were just like,
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h failed experiment.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It's a disaster.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
And look at them now, they're one went away from
a finals appearance, and it is it's a lesson to
not everything is microwaveable, you know what I mean. You
can't just add this star player and poof results and
rings galore. Sometimes it takes a little time to bake,
and it did with Dallas. But look at them now,
they have completely turned it around. It's a good lesson
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where look at Milwaukee, look at the Bucks. Right we
were talking about, hey, well Dame can go elsewhere in
the offseason and maybe go.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
To Miami now, and it's like, look at Dallas.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
It took a little bit of time for them to
get to where they are. Not a lot, but they're
a game away from being in the finals. Maybe the
Bucks like we're too we easily dismissed teams, I think
too quickly, and it does take a little bit of
time instead of just making one transaction in poof results.
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And I think Dallas is absolutely proof of that, all right.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But I think Phoenix is a proof that it doesn't
always work.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
And it's funny too because there are teams. Think about
Phoenix when they got Kadi and then Bradley Beal and
were like, oh baby, they got swept.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Look at the Clippers with like with getting Paul George
along with Kawhi Leonard were like, man, look out.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That has not worked at all.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
So there are some teams that were hot on that
have completely fizzled, and there are other teams that were like, eh,
shoulder shrug, it might be okay, and now they're doing
a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It's weird how that goes sometimes.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
But I mean, like, when's the last time that you
watched Kyrie or you even heard the story or the
storyline or read a headline that would indicate, man, Kyrie Irving, boy,
what a great teammate. Yeah, I mean think about like
like the way he left Boston, everything that happened in Brooklyn,
even sort of the tail end of the lebron Kyrie
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experiment didn't seem like he had a market when he
was leaving Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
He ends up in.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Dallas and it's just like, well, man, Luca's going to
command the basketball and that's going to drive Kyrie Irving nuts. Nope,
Like I am stunned. Like it's one of the biggest
just turnarounds of the way that someone is perceived that
I've seen, and it's awesome, Like I'm thrilled that we
are getting this. But to have predicted this going in,
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I didn't know. I didn't speak to anyone who thought
that this is the way this was gonna go.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Yeah, that's a great point because especially the Boston days
where Kyrie got hurt and Boston took off, like that
was really the beginning of the emergence of Tatum and
Brown and that young nucleus. Is when Kyrie wasn't healthy
and was isn't playing, they looked completely different. They looked
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so much better without him out there. And that's the
way his career went for the next couple of seasons.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It was just weird in Brooklyn, right.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
There was some injury issues and he's burning sage and
it's just drama, you know what I mean. It's just
constant drama going on, and it's been the opposite and
they're in postgame like media scrums and he's hugging Luca
and all this guy. It's getting along like bosom buddies
over it. It is crazy how it's gone. But man,
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what a one eighty for Kyrie Irving right now compared
to where it was just a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
No, I think that's exactly right. When we come back.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Sometimes, just sometimes you do have to leave it in
the oven a little bit longer. You do have to
give it time to bake. Maybe we don't have to
blow up everything so fast. We'll discuss more on the
other sides. Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with
Brian Know and Jason Martin in for the guys here
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
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Speaker 4 (36:09):
It is Memorial Day.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here live
in the Tirack dot Com studios. Just taking a minute
to remember again just the amazing sacrifice made by so
many and those families that are gonna have a tougher
day today. We're certainly thinking of you and so appreciative
as well of all those that put on the uniform
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for our country, and so we talk about escapes and
entertainment pretty much for a living here. I mentioned to
you earlier I wanted to talk about this, Brian, just
for a couple of minutes, just and you actually kind
of set it up perfectly in the last segment about
sometimes you know you don't have to do the drastic
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thing so fast, and a lot of good like you
even look at like the Cleveland Browns, You've given Stefanski
time even after you know he would have a lean year,
the old Browns maybe would have gotten rid of him
a season ago, and then he comes back last year
and they're able.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
To do what they did.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
When you look at Minnesota and Indiana, chances are neither
one of them are going to advance any further. They've
kind of hit their ceiling. For this year, it's going
to be Celtics Madison the finals. We would think, barring
something historic, do you look at either one of those
teams and think massive changes are needed or it's stay
the course, keep building on.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
What you have.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Yeah, I think it's certainly from Minnesota to stay the course.
But you've got a young superstar in Anthony Edwards who
you can absolutely have a stable foundation going forward, right,
Karl Anthony Town has been a rough, rough, rough series,
and I don't know why he continues to just jack
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up shots from distance when they're not going in. It's
one thing if he's hitting them with regularity, fine, but
what he's four for thirty two from distance the last
five games.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
It's like you got to change it up.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
So I look at Minnesota and it's a team that
just took down Denver, you know what I mean, And
they're just not closing against Dallas. But I think that
Anthony Edwards absolutely can be a closer. So I don't
look at them blowing anything up. As far as Indiana goes,
they should have won game one. It's tough when you
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didn't have Halliburton last game in Game three, but I
don't know what they can do drastically.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I wouldn't be looking to blow it up.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Getting to the Eastern Conference Finals is really good for them,
But they're just they're a team that it's like Draymond said, right,
did you catch them on his show saying you can
beat a couple of mid teams and have a trip
to the conference finals and think that you've arrived. And
so I think there can be some truth to that
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with Indiana, and it's a hard reality when you're like,
you're just not as good as Boston. You're not gonna
beat Dallas or even Minnesota if you got to the finals.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You know, so what do you do?
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I think that you try to strengthen the roster as
much as you can. You got a good young nucleus.
But when you're looking at it and you're like, we're
just not as good, there's only so much you can
do to get over that hump.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
So, I mean, I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
First of all, I think that they're I think that generally,
now you kind of tweak around the edges as opposed
to blowing things up. You maybe try to get a
little bit better at a few spots, but you don't
do anything too drastic. But the thing, the most drastic
thing that generally happens in this situation, we've already seen
happen in this postseason Cleveland, let bicker Staff go. You
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saw what happened in Phoenix, and now you've got coach
Buttenholzer down there. Do you look at Minnesota like, I
don't think anything happens to Carlisle, But do you look
at Minnesota and have you seen an thing watching coach
Finch and watching that staff where you're just like, man,
they're being out coached by Jason Kidd, And is that
the change that ends up sort of placating that fan base.
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You talk about what Draymond said about thinking you've arrived.
I look at Minnesota and I say, the one thing
that I think you don't want to happen is to
be like the next Memphis. Where Memphis was right there.
Now they had some other things happen, and you don't
necessarily anticipate those kind of problems happening in Minnesota, but
you never know. But you know, Memphis coach is now
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looking like he's potentially on the outs after everybody loved
coach Taylor for a long time, And now you look
at what's happening in Minnesota, could you see them potentially
parting ways with their coach and trying to find a
bigger name to come in.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
I yeah, potentially. I don't think they've gotten out coached.
I think they've gotten out specialed right where it's Luca
and Kyrie of Ben Closers and Minnesota just hasn't closed
the same way. But I don't look at that as coaching, right,
I look at that as Luca and Kyrie just being
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special players.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I agree with you. We got one more hour to
go here on this Memorial Day.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Plenty to get into, including of course, more NBA next
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Should be real quick, Brian, I wasn't gonna do this,
but I'm gonna give you a life hack today.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I don't know if you're a coffee guy.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'm a big time coffee guy, but I know we
have plenty of coffee guys out there.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Just something that if you've never tried this, give it
a shot.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
This is not some crazy recipe or something's gonna be
like that's just bonkers. I'm not saying put cicadas in
your coffee or anything like that. If you just want
a different experience, and you're a cream guy, try some
heavy cream instead of like half and half or milk
or something like that. Just pure heavy whipping cream. Big
big keto guy myself and have been now for years
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and it's been huge for me and losing half a person,
losing one hundred and twenty eight pounds or actually waiting
longer one hundred and twenty eight and one year and
then like one ninety.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Five over a two year span.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Wow heavy cream which has like zero carbs, and it's
got a little bit of calories, but you're not dumping
half the half the thing in there. It adds this
layer of smoothness to the coffee. It doesn't matter cheap coffee,
expensive coffee, any coffee. And it gives almost like a
savory feel. It's not like putting butter in your coffee,
but it's it has a kind of a sense of
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that without being that ridiculous. It's a good thing to try.
It's not an expensive thing to buy.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Just give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I think it will. Maybe it's not for you, but
you should give it a shot.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I'll tell you two things, but one I don't even
understand myself sometimes, and coffee is one of these times.
I love coffee and I hardly ever drink it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't even understand that.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
How can you love something and you're like, yeah, maybe
two months from now, I'll have a cup of coffee.
It doesn't make any sense. I don't understand that about myself.
But I just naturally wake up in the morning and
I'm good. I'm fine, you know, like and I'm not
a huge morning person, but I guess that's the main
reason is I'm just so conditioned to waking up and
(03:28):
going like, for instance, this show it's on early right
I'm down in New Orleans right now physically, and so
it starts at five am, so you're getting up in
the four o'clock hour. I can wake up and just
be like, that's good, let's go, you know, And so
I don't get into that habit. The other thing, though,
is you lost almost two bills over how long that's
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applause to you? This is over a bit like a
year and a half or so. You lost one hundred
and ninety five pounds.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I was backing like two and I may have
been seventeen or eighteen. I could go back and look
for sure, but yeah, I just had a complete a
mental shift that I just hand glory to God for
because he just woke me up one day and changed it.
I went to the Super Bowl in Houston to cover
it and had to use a seat belt extender on
the way back on the flight, and something just triggered
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in me. It's like, how long do you want to
do this? And I had been praying for years and
just felt like, you know, this was not a thing.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That that was going to happen for me.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And I just woke up one day and my mind
just said, how about you just knock out the carbs
and knock out the sugar. I didn't look anything up.
I didn't do anything. And then it was, why don't
you just head to the gym see if you can
walk for ten minutes? And that was tough for me
at three hundred and seventy pounds at this point in time. Sure,
and then it was how about fifteen minutes? And then
it was how about twenty And then I went and
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got blood work, and I was sure I was going
to have diabetes and high blood pressure and everything under
the sun. There's a history of it in my family.
And you know, they weighed me and they said, you know,
you definitely need to do something about this, and I said, well,
I've had this kind of feeling that I need to
do X, Y and Z, and they said, well, that's
a good start. And so I went home and I
had blood work done like six weeks later, and I
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got reweighed at that point in time, and I felt like,
just tell me, I've lost a pound from what I've
been doing and I'll feel pretty good and the doctor
comes in and gives me a high five and says, man,
you've lost thirty one pounds in six weeks.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Wow. And it just kept going.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I started basically losing five pounds every two weeks from
that point on, and in that first year, I lost
one twenty eight. My blood work came back perfect, which
was stunning to me considering the life that I was
living at the time, and then I was able to
lose another seventy or so. But I mean, when I
started with Klay Travis in the mornings, in this very
time slot, I was three seventy.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And just by the grace of God, that's the only
just point the direction straight to him.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
He has.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
He completely changed my life. And so that's where that
life act comes from. Is I mean, and coffee all
the time. It's my passion and my hobby. One of
the big reasons is more coffee I'm drinking the less
of anything else. I've been just satisfies me all day long.
I don't put cream and sugar and all that. I
do put heavy cream in here and there, and so
I just wanted to throw that out this morning. Didn't
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want to derailist from the sports conversation, but yeah, I
lost half a person legitimately.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
No, man, that's good, I'll say real fast because I
know you would have moved on. But it just makes
me think of I was living in Fresno at the time.
Eddie Garcia has Fresno roots, right, I was doing local
radio and Fresno and I had to get like a
physical or some check up or something going on, and
they were like, dude, your cholesterol is through the freaking roof, right,
(06:45):
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I was Jason, like daily just crushing banquet chicken. It's
frozen chicken, comes in a box, and I'm just killing
banquet chicken all the time. And the point is, yeah,
like what is it like, no, Net Brenden, No, just
like I didn't go with the bread and kind But
I think sometimes we're just freaking idiots and we should
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know better and for whatever reason, we just don't. But
thankfully the light bulb went on with both of us
that we made some changes. It's like, oh, drinking water
is good for you, huh wow, I should give that
a shot. Like obvious stuff. But credit to you man,
that's awesome. You put in all that hard work, It's
paid off.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You said, sometimes we're freaking idiots.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So is that like Karl Anthony Towns continuing to shoot
three eason yes or thirty two yes, and that's exactly
his size to try to make himself feel better about
having a few go through the net real close in
the paint like it's it's insane to me. But you know,
we have not talked about it at all on this
program yet. Today Brian the Eastern Conference Finals, which may
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well come to an end tonight.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Rick Carlisle says they're coming. Oh for the Celtics. Oh boy,
he was upset with a Do you think Drew Holiday
fouled no on the steal?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Not not in today's NBA.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Okay, okay, they've changed it like ever since the All
Star Break. You have to colabor someone in the head
to maybe draw a foul like they they let a
lot of these ticki tac calls go and there was contact.
But the way the NBA has been officiated for half
of the regular season and most of the playoffs, no,
(08:27):
I have no problem with that being a no call.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, I tend to agree with you. I think that
if it's a different player that Drew Holliday does that too,
maybe the call doesn't you know, goes the other way.
But there was definitely not a star.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Move right there where you were you were likely to
get that call.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
But either way, you look at this series, Game one,
Pacers should have won it, Yeah, found a way to
lose it, and then in Game three it just you
don't have Halliburton, but you have DeMar Go Insane, you
have all the scoring in the world for them, and
you still end up losing that game in the end.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
It's like it just.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Ran out of gas at the very end, and the
Celtics kind of just do what the Celtics do. We
talked about this the last time joon auerhost. I think
is just that Torres and I on Saturday Nights have
discussed about how the Celtics play like dramatic games, but
they're kind of boring to watch for some reason, like
compared to some other teams. They do like they're really
(09:26):
good and they should win the championship, and everybody is
saying that right now. Are you impressed or concerned by
what you have seen? Is it impressive that they came back,
for instance, on Saturday, or would you rather not be
that close?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
That's an interesting question. I thought that it was impressive
the way they came back. They were down by eighteen,
the defense, they cranked up the defense. It was night
and day between the first half and the second half,
and especially Drew Holiday the defensive play. They hit some
clutch shots down the stretch. So I looked at the
(10:01):
positives more than but I get it. You're down eighteen
to a team that didn't have Halliburton, Like, what are
you guys doing? But I think Jason, that's how Boston
is mostly viewed. They're viewed as what they don't do
well or what they should have done better, instead of
what they actually did bring to the table. And it's
(10:22):
just funny where the honeymoon is clearly over with Boston.
And I think once they got to the finals a
couple of years ago and they lost to the Warriors,
they were absolutely in championship or bust mode. And so
we see the talent, we see the playmaking ability, we
see the star power with Tatum and Brown, and our
expectations are so high that when Boston has a let
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down and maybe drops a game, to Miami without Jimmy
Butler or the Calves without Donovan Mitchell or what have you.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Right, we're just like, what is this? What are they doing?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Like oh my gosh, But you stop, take a breath,
and you're like, they're gonna end up losing maybe two
games in the whole Eastern Conference playoffs en route to
a finals appearance. And I just think that we look
at what Boston doesn't do well instead of what they
actually do bring to the table. They've done all this
without berzingis right, Like it can't just be they're lucky
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and we give them no flowers when they deserve them.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
They do deserve a lot of props.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
And I think if it's Dallas Boston, for all the
negativity out there, Boston is live.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
In that matchup. If that's what we get.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
They're an odd team because it's like they don't want
to show how good we know that they are. And
when you look at their roster, they'd have so many
ways to beat you. They play great defense. I think
they're the best three point shooting team in the NBA
by the statistics. They've got a couple of closers I
will say I don't know what it is. In this postseason,
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I have come in a different direction to appreciate Jayleen
Brown more.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Than I thought I was going to.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I mean, I've watched him for a long time, but
I was pretty vociferous after last year that they should
have moved on because it felt like that that tandem
was not making the best for either one of them.
It's like, you keep one of them and you move on.
And at the time I was pro Tatum big time.
I actually think, you tell me if I'm insane for this,
But I'm not saying he's the better player. But I
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think I want more Jaywen Brown than I do Jason Tatum.
I know how good Jason Tatum is, but there's something
about Brown that feels tougher, more just he has more
of a killer mentality. To me, There's there's like I
would rather you play with the pulse of Jaywen Brown
than the pay than the pulse of Jason Tatum. And
I know that's crazy to say coming off a thirty
(12:51):
plus point performance from Tatum where he was excellent, especially
in the second half of the first quarter that game.
But I've come around to where I think Tatum is
actually the one I'd want to go to war with
in terms of on the floor as opposed to Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
To me, what I want more of is just more
ball movement, you know, the ball sticks. So many times
I freaking hate their offense because I don't have anything
against ISO matchups because Tatum is magnificent as an ISO player.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
They just rely on it way too much.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Where you'll see Al Horford or if Sam Hauser is
out there on the court, he's a great three point shooter.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
He can't buy one in this series.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Again, the Pacers over, but they just park themselves in
the corner and they'll stay there the whole offensive set.
I don't know how many times Jason Tatum is just
dribbling the ball at the top of.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
The circle right and it's.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Like, all right, there's seven seconds left. You just got
to create something and go ISO where Man, You look
at the Pacers and it's cutting, moving screens. You see
the game last night, even Minnesota, even though they faded
down the stretch the final five minutes, they're running like
the three man weave. They're moving, they're cutting, they're handing
(14:10):
the ball off. Sometimes that sets up easier shots and
Boston's offense just doesn't do that. They remind me of
the Warriors before Steve Kerr got there. Their offense looked
completely different with Mark Jackson, and I think more movement,
move the ball like set some screens have some motion.
They're just such a stagnant offense, and I think they
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get stuck in the mud way too often that way.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean, interestingly enough, I actually thought Edwards was
guilty of that last night. A little bit more often,
like I don't need to see eight seconds on the
shot clock and you standing ten feet beyond the three
point line with the ball. I know you're the guy
and you want to go make a play. I'm not
suggesting that you're not capable of that. But I have
come to appreciate the Mike Conley's of the world more
(14:58):
and more because Conley opens up the floor.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I don't necessarily like, I love the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
In Anthony Edwards's hands, but also like kindly driving and
creating and that being kind of the way that it's
set up, as opposed to there is way too much
ISO basketball. And that was the problem with the Oklahoma
City Thunder when Durant and Westbrook were in their heyday
is you had other guys standing around that were almost
disengaged in the play because they were waiting to see
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one of the stars make something happen. It doesn't need
to be that way. There's five guys on the floor
for a reason. You can utilize them as more than
just decoys, guys that you can give it to if
you get into just dire trouble in the paint, you
know you can actually they can actually move around and
do things for you and create. And there are teams
(15:45):
that take advantage of that clearly in teams.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
That do not. So yeah, yeah, that's a really good
point by you.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I would say real fast where I think that ball movement.
I think that helps you get into a rhythm because
just think of this. If your Sam Hauser again, he
had a really good regular season. He hasn't hit a
three in this series against the Pacers, but think how
challenging it would be. Jason, you get into the game
and you park yourself in the corner, and possession after
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possession after possession, you don't even touch the basketball, you.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And then finally Derek White or somebody drives in, they
kick it out now it's your time.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Can a corner three.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
You know you haven't touched the ball in five to
seven possessions, and now you're expected to just drain a
jumper when you're called off the bench. I just think
that more ball movement, touching the ball that gets you
in a better flow, in a better rhythm. And I
think their offense looks far too choppy, and with the
playmakers they have, I think if they moved it and
(16:48):
just had more motion, I think it would help their
offense a ton.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's very much true.
So when we come back out of the break.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
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off the air. Luka doncic Brian, do you think Mavericks
(18:31):
fans watch him and say, gosh, I'm glad he plays
for our team because I would I could not stand
him if you did.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
They might I know that fans of other teams look
at it and say, man, that guy is a freaking baller.
But goodness, there's just something about him that royally ticks me.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Off, like that time for you.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
No, It's like, here's the thing with Luca is he
just can playing so much all the time. I've joked
that I've had complaining girlfriends that never complained half as
much as Luca does during a basketball game, and that's true.
But because that guy is just constantly with him, he
thinks he's never committed a foul. He thinks every call
(19:17):
should go his way, and it's just distracting.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Man.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
There's one thing to work the officials, there's another thing
to be just distracted by every call that doesn't go
your way. And from a fans perspective, it's just like,
bro play the game at some point.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
He's such a special talent.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's just like that, theatrics and the whining, and I
don't know I could do without a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Do you think that is some of that come up?
Like he feels like a soccer player.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
To me, Yeah, I mean he he plays.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Like like a you're like a like an EPL player
or something like that, where everything he does is right,
everything anyone does to him is wrong. He over sells,
he flops all those things. And then at the same time,
some of the shots that he makes, just the spin
that he puts on the ball, Yeah, the touch that
(20:06):
he has, the timing that I want it in the
toughest moments with your best defender on me.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I want the defensive player of the year on me.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I'm gonna put him on skates, hit a three, and
then use massive expletives at him.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Almost immediately.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I did think it was kind of amazing that you
got that early technical foul on Minnesota for like nothing
at all, basically for just kind of shoving.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Off a call from Tony Brothers.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Like I think I can't remember the player right now,
but he just kind of shoved him off, not physically,
just took his arm as just like terrible call. Teed
up Luka Dancic in the fourth quarter. Man got called
on a foul, jumps up and down.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yep, like a toddler that had had like all his
toys taken from him.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Nothing like it's amazing. It's almost like the officials aren't
gonna call it now because that's just Luca. Yeah, it's
just there are different rules for Luca because if you
did officiate him the way you officiated everybody else, he
would have like five or sixties a game just for
the whining, the griping and the complaining.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, it's crazy too, because the call was right. It
was Yeah, I forget who he tried to He tried
to strip the ball from behind, and he tried to
just hit the ball nothing but arm, nothing but arm.
And he's jumping up and down like you said, and
he got the benefit of the doubt. It pays to
be a superstar at times, you know. But uh, look, man,
(21:34):
it's just he's a special player.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He is.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I didn't mind the trash talking toward Rudy Gobert when here.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, that's that. I'm cool with all that.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
It's just the constant whining and the times when he's
whining and he's totally wrong, like it was a foul
on him and he's acting like they made the worst
call ever. It's just like, bro, just do what you do.
You're so special. We don't need all the extra stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Is there anybody else in the league right now? Even close?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
When it comes to that side of it, the gripe
being the complaining at the officials, like I mean, I
remember you.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I used to watch the Spurs.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And think Tim Duncan never believed he committed a foul. Yeah,
but his act was always the same. He would just
raise both his arms and look incredulous.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Absolutely, every single time I think Lebron has done not
to a Luca level, Lebron has absolutely been guilty of that.
I think Trey Young does that an awful lot, believe
it or not. Damian Lillard, he'll hear me out. There
were times where he was just falling into that, falling
into that, and he saw it in himself. He had
(22:42):
self awareness and he was like, you know what, I'm
just not going to focus on that. And there were
times in the playoffs where he's like, you know what,
I'm just not going to complain and he didn't. So
I would like Luca to have more self awareness when
it comes to that.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
At the same time, I don't know if he is
the same player without it. It just feels like it's
part and parcel because there's nothing artificial about it.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I legitimately just believe that's how he's wired and that's
who he is.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I don't know that that's the best thing, but I
think you have to take that side of Luca to
get everything else, because that's part of the competitive nature.
Is he's going to argue every call. He's gonna go
to the map for everything. If they gave him time,
he would probably like pantomime what had just happened again,
just to make this is what happened, like reenactment, like
(23:28):
this is some kind of a criminal trial or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He would do whatever it took.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And I think that's part of what makes him great,
is what makes him that irritating.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I hear you. I think that it's a bit like Jokic, right.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Jokic will do those things where that's just sort of him,
where he's just he's a passionate guy, and if he
thinks that the wrong call was made, he's gonna have
these expressions and these mannerisms where it's not just head down,
go to the other end of the court like Dilch,
just lock in and do our job. He's gonna complain.
He's gonna be vocal about it. So I get that,
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but I also think that both Luca both you know,
Yo Kic, anyone you want to say that's a chronic complainer.
I still think they would absolutely be special players if
they found a way to cut that out, and.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
They could, they easily could.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
It's just like, go to the other end of the court,
focus on defense, you know what I mean. But they
just Luca, especially, he just he will not ben and
until he sees that it's really hurting his team or
he's getting teed up left and right. He's really he's
like a young kid that's misbehaving and the parents don't
put him in check, right, Like, if the officials aren't
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doing it, if Jason Kidd isn't doing it, if teammates
aren't doing it, and he's just allowed to misbehave, he's
gonna keep misbehaving. So I don't expect it to change
anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The other thing you don't expect to change is him
suddenly not being able to shoot the basketball in clutch situation.
So I hope you like the winding and the complaining, folks,
because it's very likely, matter of fact, historically it's impossible,
at least to this point, that he's not going to
be doing that in the NBA Finals this year, because
it's never actually happened. The three to zero comeback in
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the Western Coffs Finals to send somebody to the NBA Finals.
So I'll tell you somebody that never complains except when
you fail to address him as mister Garcia.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
That would be our friend, Eddie Garcia. Let's catch up
on the latest Eddie.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
All right, thank you, Jason. We will start in the
NBA Game three Western Conference Finals and the Mavericks take
down the Timberwolves again one sixteen to one oh seven,
Dallas outscoring Minnesota fourteen to three in the final five minutes.
Luka Dodgach and Kyrie Irving each thirty three points in
the win for the Mavericks. In the lost for Minnesota,
Anthony Edwards led him with twenty six points. Karl Anthony
town struggled fourteen points five of eighteen from the field.
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Dallas leads a series three games to nothing. Game for
LB Tuesday and Dallas. One injury note from this when
Mavericks player Derek Wively took a knee to the head
in the game from Karl Anthony Towns didn't return. He
was diagnosed with a next brain Game four, the Eastern
Conference Finals comes up tonight, Celtics looking to wrap it
up in a four game sweep. They lead the series
three nothing. Game four in Indiana coming up tonight. NHL
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Game three Eastern Conference Finals. Rangers pull out one against
the Panthers in Florida in overtime, five to four, alex
Wenberg for New York to flex in the game winner
in sudden death. Alexis Slotrenier and Barkley Gutro each had
a pair of goals for New York as well as
they grabbed a two to one lead in the series.
Game four will be Tuesday in Florida. Baseball News Reigning
National League MVP Ronald Acuno Junior toward the ACL and
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his lefty Sunday will miss the rest of the season
on the diamond. The Guardians made it nine wins in
a row with a five to four win over the Angels.
Cleveland gets their third straight three game series sweep and
they're now percentage points up on the Yankees with the
top record in the American League with a thirty six
and seventeen record. Yankees fall to thirty seven and eighteen
with a five to two loss to the Padres. Philly
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Is lose to the Rockies five to two, but still
have the best record in the National League and in
Baseball at thirty eight and sixteen. Drew's fauld of the
Reds four to one. ELI gets swept in the series.
Matter of fact, they've lost five in a row. Orioles
wrap up a sweep of the White Sox with a
four to one win. That was a four game series sweep.
Royals lose to the Raise four to one. Braves over
the Pirates eighty one. Cardinals get by the Cubs four
to three. Auto Racing one hundred and eighth running of
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the Indy five hundred Joseph Newgarden one for the second
straight year. He's the first repeat winner of this race
since Elo castron nevis in two thousand and one and
two thousand and two. Now back to Jason Martin, Brian
Knownthtirack dot Com, Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Thank you, mister Garcia. We are here, two pros and
a cup of Joe. They are out today for the holiday.
Hopefully you're spending time with your loved ones as well
as we remember and cherish in honor of those who
made it possible for us to be free. We're in
the tyrack dot Com studios. I just tuned out during
the Baseball Highlights, Brian, because we lost to Counya Junior
(27:49):
year yesterday, and as a Braves fan, it's been tough.
You lose Spencer Stryder, you lose Acunya. Olsen hasn't really
looked like himself so far. Ryley, he hasn't looked like
himself so far.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Uh, it's tough.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Although the last time the Acuna Junior missed part of
the season, the Braves won the World Series, so I
guess that's that's that's me trying to feel optimistic about it.
But that was tough, especially when I mean the cameras
didn't even have it. They had we had to see
it on the replay what actually happened to Acunya because
they moved on and then all of a sudden you
look up and he's down and they say knee soreness,
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and then later on maybe he's gonna miss a month.
And then as soon as they got back they were
able to do an MRI in Atlanta and find out,
oh no, it's a completely torn acl and he's done
for the year.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I was watching that game live. I'm not sure why.
I don't know, but I was watching it live. He
was on second base and he acted like he was
going to run toward third and just backtracked to second
and went down. And I'm like, oh, man, you hear
that in the NFL all the time, those contact interact injuries.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I'm like, man, that could be bad news.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
And it was torn acl That's just brutal because he's
such a special player, and uh, that's just a freak
weird injury. I'm just looking at the standings too, Philadelphia.
The Phillies have been unbelievable. They're thirty eight and sixteen,
even though he got smacked around by the Rockies yesterday.
But thirty eight and sixteen. But you look at the Braves,
(29:21):
they're only six games back. Yeah, as great as Philly
has been, and most of their wins have been against
teams that have losing records, so maybe they come back
to earth a little bit. But losing Acunya Junior man,
that's a that's a huge, huge loss for the Braves.
The numbers he put up last season, He's just a
sensational player. I hate that he got hurt in general,
I really hate that he got hurt that way.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's just such a freak thing to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, I mean it's it's unfortunate and unfortunately, it's just
something that happens and HAPs in every sport. But yeah,
not the best day for me and for my fellow
Braves fans. Uh, pretty good day right now for Dallas
Mavericks fans. Seems like still pretty good day for the.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Boston Celtics as well.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I have already done this Maya Kulpa, but since we
talked about an irritant and somebody that was annoying, even
though he's phenomenal in Luka Doncic to open this segment,
I cannot believe Brian how like dialed in comfortable, happy.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
This is not a word but leadery.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Kyrie Irving has been Oh yeah, in Dallas, I was
sure that was gonna fail. I'm not alone. Almost everybody
was sure that was gonna fail. From like, how are
he and Luka Doncic gonna coexist? He's one of the
biggest malcotents in the league and all this kind of stuff.
You got Duran out, you got Hardened out, you got
Lebron out. Kyrie still playing, not just still playing, reminding
(30:51):
people that he's one of the most talented basketball players
to ever live and making clutch shots.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
He's smiling all over the place.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
He's doing postgame interviews where he's saying really thoughtful things
like where did this guy come from? How is it
that Luka doncic Is is the guy that has found
a way to open up Kyrie Irving to being a
leader and being just fine at times setting up Luca
and making sure his teammates are comforted like this Kyrie Irving,
(31:20):
Like this guy is awesome to watch, Like right now,
I just want more Kyrie Irving. And I never thought
that I would say that again.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, man, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
One of these things where you rewind to last season
when Dallas traded for Kyrie Irving and the reaction was like,
oh baby, this is gonna be amazing. And it wasn't
like they didn't even they didn't qualify for the play
in tournament.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
They finished in eleventh place in the West.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
They were accused of like dogging out, like they sat
everybody and everything.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yeah, Jason Kidd, remember he was like, hey, it is
what it is. You know, I don't make that call
where they did. They rested their stars and they tried
to save a draft pick. They intentionally tried to not
qualify for the playing tournament. But anyway, they were eleventh
in the West last season and we were just like,
(32:10):
h failed experiment.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It's a disaster.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
And look at them now, they're one went away from
a finals appearance, and it is it's a lesson to
not everything is microwaveable, you know what I mean. You
can't just add this star player and poof results and
rings galore. Sometimes it takes a little time to bake,
and it did with Dallas. But look at them now,
they have completely turned it around. It's a good lesson
(32:36):
where look at Milwaukee, look at the Bucks. Right we
were talking about, hey, well Dame can go elsewhere in
the offseason and maybe go.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
To Miami now, and it's like, look at Dallas.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
It took a little bit of time for them to
get to where they are. Not a lot, but they're
a game away from being in the finals. Maybe the
Bucks like we're too we easily dismissed teams, I think
too quickly, and it does take a little bit of
time instead of just making one transaction in poof results.
(33:07):
And I think Dallas is absolutely proof of that, all right.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But I think Phoenix is a proof that it doesn't
always work.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
And it's funny too because there are teams. Think about
Phoenix when they got Kadi and then Bradley Beal and
were like, oh baby, they got swept.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Look at the Clippers with like with getting Paul George
along with Kawhi Leonard were like, man, look out.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That has not worked at all.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
So there are some teams that were hot on that
have completely fizzled, and there are other teams that were like, eh,
shoulder shrug, it might be okay, and now they're doing
a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It's weird how that goes sometimes.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
But I mean, like, when's the last time that you
watched Kyrie or you even heard the story or the
storyline or read a headline that would indicate, man, Kyrie Irving, boy,
what a great teammate. Yeah, I mean think about like
like the way he left Boston, everything that happened in Brooklyn,
even sort of the tail end of the lebron Kyrie
(34:07):
experiment didn't seem like he had a market when he
was leaving Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
He ends up in.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Dallas and it's just like, well, man, Luca's going to
command the basketball and that's going to drive Kyrie Irving nuts. Nope,
Like I am stunned. Like it's one of the biggest
just turnarounds of the way that someone is perceived that
I've seen, and it's awesome, Like I'm thrilled that we
are getting this. But to have predicted this going in,
(34:35):
I didn't know. I didn't speak to anyone who thought
that this is the way this was gonna go.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Yeah, that's a great point because especially the Boston days
where Kyrie got hurt and Boston took off, like that
was really the beginning of the emergence of Tatum and
Brown and that young nucleus. Is when Kyrie wasn't healthy
and was isn't playing, they looked completely different. They looked
(35:03):
so much better without him out there. And that's the
way his career went for the next couple of seasons.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It was just weird in Brooklyn, right.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
There was some injury issues and he's burning sage and
it's just drama, you know what I mean. It's just
constant drama going on, and it's been the opposite and
they're in postgame like media scrums and he's hugging Luca
and all this guy. It's getting along like bosom buddies
over it. It is crazy how it's gone. But man,
(35:32):
what a one eighty for Kyrie Irving right now compared
to where it was just a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
No, I think that's exactly right. When we come back.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Sometimes, just sometimes you do have to leave it in
the oven a little bit longer. You do have to
give it time to bake. Maybe we don't have to
blow up everything so fast. We'll discuss more on the
other sides. Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with
Brian Know and Jason Martin in for the guys here
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
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Speaker 4 (36:09):
It is Memorial Day.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here live
in the Tirack dot Com studios. Just taking a minute
to remember again just the amazing sacrifice made by so
many and those families that are gonna have a tougher
day today. We're certainly thinking of you and so appreciative
as well of all those that put on the uniform
(36:33):
for our country, and so we talk about escapes and
entertainment pretty much for a living here. I mentioned to
you earlier I wanted to talk about this, Brian, just
for a couple of minutes, just and you actually kind
of set it up perfectly in the last segment about
sometimes you know you don't have to do the drastic
(36:54):
thing so fast, and a lot of good like you
even look at like the Cleveland Browns, You've given Stefanski
time even after you know he would have a lean year,
the old Browns maybe would have gotten rid of him
a season ago, and then he comes back last year
and they're able.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
To do what they did.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
When you look at Minnesota and Indiana, chances are neither
one of them are going to advance any further. They've
kind of hit their ceiling. For this year, it's going
to be Celtics Madison the finals. We would think, barring
something historic, do you look at either one of those
teams and think massive changes are needed or it's stay
the course, keep building on.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
What you have.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Yeah, I think it's certainly from Minnesota to stay the course.
But you've got a young superstar in Anthony Edwards who
you can absolutely have a stable foundation going forward, right,
Karl Anthony Town has been a rough, rough, rough series,
and I don't know why he continues to just jack
(37:54):
up shots from distance when they're not going in. It's
one thing if he's hitting them with regularity, fine, but
what he's four for thirty two from distance the last
five games.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
It's like you got to change it up.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
So I look at Minnesota and it's a team that
just took down Denver, you know what I mean, And
they're just not closing against Dallas. But I think that
Anthony Edwards absolutely can be a closer. So I don't
look at them blowing anything up. As far as Indiana goes,
they should have won game one. It's tough when you
(38:29):
didn't have Halliburton last game in Game three, but I
don't know what they can do drastically.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I wouldn't be looking to blow it up.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Getting to the Eastern Conference Finals is really good for them,
But they're just they're a team that it's like Draymond said, right,
did you catch them on his show saying you can
beat a couple of mid teams and have a trip
to the conference finals and think that you've arrived. And
so I think there can be some truth to that
(38:59):
with Indiana, and it's a hard reality when you're like,
you're just not as good as Boston. You're not gonna
beat Dallas or even Minnesota if you got to the finals.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You know, so what do you do?
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I think that you try to strengthen the roster as
much as you can. You got a good young nucleus.
But when you're looking at it and you're like, we're
just not as good, there's only so much you can
do to get over that hump.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
So, I mean, I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
First of all, I think that they're I think that generally,
now you kind of tweak around the edges as opposed
to blowing things up. You maybe try to get a
little bit better at a few spots, but you don't
do anything too drastic. But the thing, the most drastic
thing that generally happens in this situation, we've already seen
happen in this postseason Cleveland, let bicker Staff go. You
(39:49):
saw what happened in Phoenix, and now you've got coach
Buttenholzer down there. Do you look at Minnesota like, I
don't think anything happens to Carlisle, But do you look
at Minnesota and have you seen an thing watching coach
Finch and watching that staff where you're just like, man,
they're being out coached by Jason Kidd, And is that
the change that ends up sort of placating that fan base.
(40:11):
You talk about what Draymond said about thinking you've arrived.
I look at Minnesota and I say, the one thing
that I think you don't want to happen is to
be like the next Memphis. Where Memphis was right there.
Now they had some other things happen, and you don't
necessarily anticipate those kind of problems happening in Minnesota, but
you never know. But you know, Memphis coach is now
(40:34):
looking like he's potentially on the outs after everybody loved
coach Taylor for a long time, And now you look
at what's happening in Minnesota, could you see them potentially
parting ways with their coach and trying to find a
bigger name to come in.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
I yeah, potentially. I don't think they've gotten out coached.
I think they've gotten out specialed right where it's Luca
and Kyrie of Ben Closers and Minnesota just hasn't closed
the same way. But I don't look at that as coaching, right,
I look at that as Luca and Kyrie just being
(41:07):
special players.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I agree with you. We got one more hour to
go here on this Memorial Day.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Plenty to get into, including of course, more NBA next
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