May 27, 2024 • 50 mins
On today’s Dan Patrick Show, Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington react to the Mavs going up 3-0 on the T’Wolves. They discuss the early drama with the Jets and Dak Prescott welcomes the pressure, which is well deserved.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two Pros and a Couple Joe
with LaVar Ar rating Win and Jonas Knots on.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Fox Sports Radio. Hello, LaVar, Hi Jonas.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Are we going to try and pretend like we're professional
here for the next three hours? Are we gonna uh,
you know what, I'm going.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
To pretend like like I'm here because you chose to
do today.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
That's That's what I'm going to act like day. I'm
going to hurt some people today. Okay, okay, when are
we leaving?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Listen? Why is that?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Why is that the question I'm asking? I mean, I'm
not saying, like, why are we going to hurt anybody?
It's like, all right, let's go do it.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And now, for those of you that are not familiar,
LeVar and I and Brady Quinn do a show a
little diddy called Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
here Monday through Friday. Well, not that one. No, yeah,
not that one. No, We're not you know, we're not
scumbacks and weird. But the point is we do a
show during the week from six am to nine am
(01:06):
Eastern time three to six Pacific times, so it's three
hours before this and you know, we understand that some
of the ways that we talk and kind of treat
each other might be a little off putting to some
people out there. And this time slot, so we're gonna
try and be as professional as possible.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And I had the day off.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
You decided to do DP, so I'm not gonna let
you be by yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh there we are.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You know here we are. Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Let's let's not be off putting to to our Dan
Patrick fan base.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Let's just knock it down. We'll talk about some sports.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Hell yeah, I mean listen, I you know, it's good
to have some help. It's good to have each other.
I mean, Anthony Edwards wouldn't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You not know what that is?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You know, Anthony Edwards is sitting there watching seven footers
get torched up being defensive MVPs. How the hell did
that happen? And then you got your other seven footer
who thinks he's Mike Conley at five to a staggering
five ten in height and can dribble and shoot. So
he doesn't he doesn't believe in dirty work down low.
(02:16):
He's going to stay out on the three point line.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Look I said it, and I was half joking before
we went to the break during the weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Dude, limit them. You are not allowed to shoot more
than one three unless you make it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I said it. One three a half for anybody over
six eleven, that's it. If you are six eleven and above,
you get one three point attempt a half. That's in
case there's a buzzer beater needed. If you shoot a
three and you are over six eleven, three game suspension,
or you have right off the back.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Or you have to be from overseas.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Right, Yes, you can't be American and shooting threes and
be over six.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
We need I'm sorry, we need to gonna work.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah you want to, you want to ted more than
one three a half. I need three at me spitting
a tube, send it in the mail and we need
those results back asack. If you want to make it
in this league shooting threes, I'm tired of it, man,
I'm sick of it.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
You are not Joe LMB. Just better take ass down
on the block. You know what's crazy. They in theory
they could control the pace of the game. They could
control the game if they just used their length, if
they just came down did half court sets set up?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Because you know what, nobody has been shooting lights.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Out, not not not the Mavericks, not the Timberwolves. They
haven't been shooting lights out. There have been offensive struggles
like Jonas set the if you're not gonna take your
big ass, which you saw it yesterday too, By the way,
if y'all not gonna take y'all big asses down on
this block and create all kinds of matchup problems down
(04:07):
low with your height and your athleticism, then you gotta
come sit on this bench. You saw there was some
critical points in the game where Anthony Tizan switched a
By the way, I was like, I was like, dang,
they call him cat cat. Everybody's saying cat.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I started thinking, right, Oh God, what's the word you
put before cat?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Damn? I will get canceled, so I ain't say it.
But god, Lee, you know what, you play it like
a big old pea cat, you know what I mean?
But say, we'll leave it there, big old peek pejo.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah know what you're talking about. Yeah, man, you're cooking Johnson.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You don't want to smell that fair point and if
you do, well, you just better make sure it's clean.
That's a make sure you're clean, that's all.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Uh, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I mean he's four for thirty two in the series.
At what point? At what point when you're four for
thirty two from three to you go, you know, maybe
this just isn't it? You know, maybe this is like
I swar, I don't know one thing in life that
I've tried thirty two times been successful for with and
been like you know what, I'm going back to the well.
Like literally, not one thing in my life. I've been
four for thirty two with and saw thirty third. I
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didn't see a thirty third attempt after that point? Man,
can I shoot twelve percent? I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I don't get it either.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean at least he assassinated at least he
assassinated a player. I mean, I mean he eliminated and
that somebody Lovely's points, Like he wasn't getting points. But
at least he eliminated somebody who was getting points.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That is a fair point. I mean, maybe Karl Anthony
Towns maybe not a three point shooter, but a hell
of a Muay Thai fighter because.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Way he in the jangles first, that wasn't enough.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, that just wasn't That was not enough to
hurt that man that way and his pride. Then you're
gonna go ahead and finish him off with the moy
Thai knee to.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The head man.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Just yeah, it is not not an idea. And I'll
be honest with you, I was completely wrong about this series.
And and here's the best part is because we're doing
this show in a different time slot tomorrow, when we're
back in our normal time slot, I'm gonna come back
and lie and say I never said any of this stuff.
But I'll admit it here because you know what, why
not you will have a have a little bit of honesty. Sure,
(06:38):
I'll just say this STP show anyway, he didn't count.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It don't matter, nobody ever heard it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Say whatever the hell we want, Like it's like our airbnb.
You know, we don't have to clean up after ourselves.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, actually we got that security deposit.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Won't mess it up because then they come down, this
guy come collecting, like, whoa, y'all left a mess.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Got to pay up?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, I'll just say this so Brady Quinn for Super
Bowl Week he went over and was with Dan and
the guys for super Bowl week when we were in
Las Vegas. I believe they were at the Fountain Blue Hotel.
Where they were at the place is fantastic. And so
he went over there and you know, very studious and
professional and all this, we can assure you. A couple
(07:25):
hours before that, he was not okay. It is two
different worlds, all right. So we understand that there's a certain,
you know, a line we can't cross. But I'll just
say this, I was completely wrong about this series. I
thought at least Minnesota would have gotten a game by
this point if they were down to one. I get it.
And I know there was the heartbreaker shot in Game
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two that I believe our Lord and Savior Scott Shapiro
was on site for in Minnesota, diehard Timberwolves fan and
Luca hitting that game. But I just thought that there
would have been either an adjustment made or a chance
and they were. Look, the guys on TNT were calling
out Chris Finch like, dude, you got to make some adjustments,
(08:07):
like it's not working. These lineups aren't working. Dallas is
eating you alive. Their superstars are playing like superstars and
Edwards had at a good game last night. That dunk
was was awesome. But he's not getting any help, dude,
Like he's just.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Not You know, sometimes sometimes you look at at something
and you don't give it the necessary credit it's deserving of. Okay,
the Minnesota Timberwolves aren't playing bad basketball. You mentioned the
(08:42):
whole idea of strategically being a little differently, tried something new.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I agree with you. There. Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
This is what this made me think about the fact
that they took the defending champions to seven games, got
out of the seer, and we were looking at Anthony
Edwards as here's baby Jordan. We're looking at this Minnesota
Timberwolves team as a team that could be contended with,
(09:11):
Like they really could be a dominant force because you
have such an athlete out front with Edwards, and then
you have these interior guys that you just they call
them the Twin Towers, Like there really should be no
reason why anyone should be able to beat this team
because you have some good aded guys, you got some
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perimeter guys that can shoot, you got some athletes, and
it's set up for you to be able to outman
outsize the team you go up against, like that's just
what it is. But when you have Carl Anthony Town
scoring fourteen points and the dude is literally shooting you
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out of the lead, like you guys have a lead,
and this guy just pulling up from way out there right,
it's to me, it's like this has worked for them,
and it got them here. They got through the national
or the defending champs. That's probably why they felt like,
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stay true to the sauce and let's let's push through.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Let's make it happen.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
They've been close to winning, they've been up in the games,
they've shown that they can compete with this Mavericks team.
It's just not good enough. It's just not good enough.
And it's not good enough because you have two guys
that are playing out of their minds. Kyrie Irving is
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playing like Uncle Drew on the movie, like it's scripted,
like you guys, stop here, let him go there, stop
right there, let him shoot it there? Okay, cut, that's
that's the scene right there. He's looking like he's straight
out of a movie.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And for some strange reason, naydn't pissed Luka off and
he's been in this series talking mad cash and and
and cash and checks and letting them know I'm taking
your money from the table and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So when you get.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Two guys as talented as they are that's playing at
the level they're playing at, you had better figure out
a way to slow down the pace of the game.
Play half court sets, use your size, like create files.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Get to the free throw line. You have to do
things that that.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Are more lumbering, not more more skill driven, because you
really only have one guy that can match up to
the skill level of playing at that type of pace,
and that's atwards and that's not play that's not paying dividends.
So it's been a rough series for this Timberwolves team
because they did try some new things differently yesterday, it
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just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It didn't work.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I want to apologize to Luca because I think I
made a statement on Fox Sports Radio over the past
couple of weeks and and I and I wanted to
apologize because it was kind of reckless and I don't
think appropriate for what we do. When I said that
Luca looks like somebody who smokes cigarettes, and I want
to take that back. It's not that it's not well, no,
(12:18):
not that it's it's not it's not that I think
he smokes cigarettes. I think he's one of those guys
that that has a long dart when he drinks, like
like he looks like that type of guy, Like he's
having a couple of.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Cocktail smoker's deck.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, and then the next thing, you know, like three
four in he's got one behind one ear and one
behind the other.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Are they like?
Speaker 4 (12:37):
No, I don't know what type of cigarette would he
be smoking.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I don't know, probably a like a parliament or something
like a Virginia slim with like the little the little
thing at the end, like a beating a beat maybe.
But you're right, man, he is talking a lot. Man
like he knows he's got around. Oh, he's got them
in his back pock and he can do what he
wants now. Kyrie Irving, his teammate, did speak after the
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game just about sort of his gift if you will,
towards being a teammate to others. Let's take a listen
to Ki.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Ever since I was young, I've always felt like I'm
one of the best in the world because I'm able
to play with other great players. I don't ask for
the ball I'm demanded. I will play defense, I will
do all the other things that don't show up in
the stat sheet. And that's always what I've wanted to
be remembered as everything else that people have thrown on
my career has been up to them and what they've seen,
and I have to take that, you know, I have
to take that fair criticism. But how I feel as
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a person when I go out there is confident and
effort that will play with the best of the world.
I don't care who's out there. I don't care who's
out there. It could be Will MJ, Steph Bron, you know,
whatever team. And I feel like, you know, if I
get a few of my friends from around the way,
you know, hey, we might not have a chance that day.
But you know, I think just enjoying the game and
the competition is what comes with it.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
So that's really what I'm getting at.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
It's just enjoying the competition and enjoying, you know, the
failures in the succes us to coming into.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's kind of fun to see the about face that
a lot of people are dealing with.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Kyrie Irving. I mean, he did say the world was flat,
The Earth was flat.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You know, it might be look up enough videos on YouTube.
It's pretty convincing. I'll tell you that. I mean the
way some people let's have that discussion, right, you know,
I'm in.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
But it is easy and it is simple to change
your tone. Kyrie Irving isn't a belligerent, right, he's not.
He's not an irritant in the sense that the things
that he says are like a Draymond Green type, right,
he doesn't. He's very comes across it's very soft spoken.
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He comes across as intelligent and intellectual. And sometimes the
biggest turn off is when you're you're kind of like
that intellectual type that that can hoop, that can do
do athletic things. It's like, dude, it's smart, Okay, he
speaks intelligently. Okay, he's kind of soft smoke spoken, Da dad,
this that and the other. Oh, and he'll cross you up,
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you know, Oh, this is the dude that's walking around
with like, what what's the what's the the stuff that
you be you know, burning to get rid of bad?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah? What was it? Frankin sense or whatever? It is?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It terrible?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I think it's like it's debatable it could go either way.
Like it's like kind of sage. There you go, thanks Joel.
It's just one of those things where I think the things, Joel, don't.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Let anybody paint you into a corner. All he knows
the lions please.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Oh what you mean somewhere with that? No, he's somewhere
with that, Okay. Anyway. I just I think that you
don't have to hate Kyrie Irving like you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You can choose to have issues with.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
How he does things at times, or what he may
say or what it may feel. But I just don't
feel like the dude has ever been outright egregious where
you should have a real problem with him, and that
leads to a moment like this where he's playing well
and Luca balances everything out. You know, you got a
nice York pian fella. You know, he's more thugged out
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than Kyrie is, and it kind of balances everything out.
It's like eb Beny and iver Reell. Yeah goes agaty
and perfect hard. That isn't really how it goes, but
I'm just saying that works enough, you know what I meant?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's better of the crap AI puts out so she
got that on him. What I'd say about Kyrie is
I think that what people question is his decision to
want to be away from Lebron James, Like I want
I want to be away from Lebron James. I want
to go do my own thing.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, that was still a question. I think more sense.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
The problem is the path he took to get there.
He went to Boston, that was a disaster, and he lied.
I mean, there's that. So he's gonna, I mean, when
they meet the Celtics in the next round, he's going
to get his ass booed in to oblivion or as
Mike Tyson would say, bolivian when he when he goes
when he goes to Boston there because they are not
fans of Kyrie irving with the bill of goods he
sold them and then bailed and then you know, he
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got together with you know, Kevin Durant didn't work out.
But you had in between there all the vaccination status
stuff and all the flatter stuff that you mentioned and
all that, and yet here we are and it's like
you can kind of push all that crap aside and
just acknowledge, Oh, he's an incredible basketball player. The guy's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
He's a facilitator, he's a score just nasty man.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah. And and and for what it's worth.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
To sit there and say he was trying to get
away from lebron I mean, he must have known, he
was on the clock that Bronni was coming for a
big eventually, so he didn't want to be disrupted that way.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
He wanted to play his career out with a little
bit of you know, you know, stability like lebron has had,
you know what I mean, instead of sitting there waiting
to see Bronni come take.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The job so I get white, Yeah, restated away.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
He looked into the future and realized, I gotta get
away from this, to get away a lot of danger there.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
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Speaker 3 (18:51):
We opened up talking about the NBA playoffs. We opened
up talking about the Minnesota Timberwolves. They've got a problem.
They've got a guy who's, you know, seven foot nine
and a four to thirty two from three. That's an issue.
The Dallas Mavericks have a three to zhos series lead.
But I mean, the one thing is at least there
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is still hope. There is still hope for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
They're down three to zero, they're not down four to oh,
so there is still hope there. There's some people that
also think that there's hope in the NFL when it
comes to the New York Jets, and those people are
people who are believers in Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers
spoke with Serious XM over the weekend, and he talked
(19:35):
about just the reality of why the Jets are on
primetime as much as they are and just sort of
what it's looking like. As far as the anticipation and
the coverage of the New York Jets this upcoming season.
Let's hear from Aaron Rodgers himself.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I love it. I mean, we are must watch TV.
And that's pretty obvious. Everybody knows that, whether you love
me or hate me, people want to see me play.
They enjoy watching me play, and we are a team
to watch this year. Not surprising.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
How's that feel? Somebody, somebody who's a doubter of Aaron Rodgers,
All right, doubter. You can doubt the Timberwolves all you want,
you can't doubt Aaron Rodgers and the Jets this upcoming season.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
So once again it's all based upon it being Aaron Rodgers.
Hell no, you don't go to Green Bay for Wisconsin
and for the cheese.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
You go there for Aaron Rodgs. Damn right. So that's
the same thing in the Big Apple.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
You don't go to New York City, you know, number one,
number two media market in the world to see the
New York Jets play.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You go to see Aaron.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I got your statue of liberty right here. It's Aaron Rodgers.
That's who you're going to New York. You go, Yeah,
that's what it's all.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
About, how you feel about it.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I mean he's okay. First of all, he's right. I
mean people do what But I think people want to
watch it because I think there are some people they
don't like Rogers. He's not you know, he's very polarizing.
And as he said, you know, whether you like me
or not, people like it watching me play. That is true.
I think there's a lot of people who are waiting
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for the impending doom, the disaster to go.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Because are you insinuating that I'm one of those people?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I listen, I'm not insinuating anything. This is a brand
new time slot. We could be whatever we want right now.
It's like it's like there's a costume party. Who can
dress up as much.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Set the stage for everyone.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
But like, because everyone out there listening who may not
listen to our time slot, what Jonas is doing right
now is he is earning a ten dollars five Are
you talking about passively aggressively placing a topic of conversation
that I have had a very very strong opinion on
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and and I'm not waning on on how I feel
about it.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
What do you mean there's no change in place, So
go ahead, you can tell.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
The I mean, LeVar is not a believer in Aaron
Rodgers in the New York Jets, and Brady Quinn and
myself are believers and Aaron Rodgers in the New York Jets.
I think they're going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And uh, LeVar says, wild card team. Right, yeah, both the.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Playoff team, wild card division, however you want it. I
think they're going to be a playoff team, LeVar said, And.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
You think the division?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think there's a chance, Jerry, Jerry relaxed.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
All right. I mean, are you serious they might win
the division?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'm saying there's a possibility. Here's what I would say.
LeVar said, the Jets will be so bad next year
that they're going to be contracted from the league and
put in the uf L. Did you or did you
not say that? Sword you said that?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, I didn't go I didn't go that far.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You said, and I quote, if they were on a
neutral field against the Saint Louis BattleHawks, I take the
BattleHawks by a touchdown. Did you or did you not
say that about Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I did not say that, but I did say I
do not feel confident that this is a two digit,
double digit win team.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Isn't it going to be a fun watch though?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I think either way, like you said, and I'm not
watching with the idea of looking for Aaron Rodgers's demise
or even the team's demise. I'm not invested in the
New York Jets that way, don't. I don't have any
malice towards them or anything that would lead me down
a biased, you know, take on the team. I'm just
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looking at it from the standpoint of what has this
team been able to do over the last decade. And
when you look at the characters that they've had on
this team, they've had, They've had guys on their roster.
This hasn't been a team depleted of talent during the
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course of I mean it's been more than a decade. Really,
there is nothing that says to me, based off of
the correlation of everything that has transpired with this French
that they're going in the right direction. And furthermore, I
don't get that from Robert Salah. When has Robert Salah
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as the head coach of this team given you any
reason to think that they're going to be anything but
what they've been since he's taken over.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
No hate, no shade, but that's just reality.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Like if we're looking at it from from the reality
of what Robert Sala has done as the head coach, there,
there's no reason to think that they're heading in the
direction of being a Super Bowl contender or even a
divisional champ.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
You don't want to haller for Sala hold on. I
just think in his to his point, you know, yeah,
we must watch TV. Where must be TV. I'm fascinated
to see how it works because you do have you've
sort of You've got this quarterback who is like, like
we talked about, very polarizing, and he's trying to steer
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the ship of a boat that cannot help but crash.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Literally or might already be Craiz.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It could be and I like that there it could
be going anywhere, like hey, yeah, you know the back
ends kind of you know, good drifting lower and lower
into the ocean, Like, yeah, it could be that.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like we're in a sand bar right now. I know
there's water. I know we're looking at water boat, but
we're not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
The other part of this that I that I think
is interesting because you know, Rogers talked about, you know,
how Robert Sala has been more involved with the offense,
but he also talked about in this next clip, he
talked about Nathaniel Hackett and just having his trust in
Nathaniel Hackett, the offensive coordinator. There again, this was Rogers
(25:44):
with serious XM.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Well, you should trust me and I trust Nathaniel, So
to me, that's the end of the story. There's been
a lot of you know, a lot of bs that's
been said out there. You know, there's a lot of
things that have gone on the last couple of years
that he's dealt with it. I think he's handled very professionally,
and at the end of the day, I think you've
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got to trust him and I his working relationship and
the conversation that we have. Keith Carter, you know, has
done a really nice job at offensive line for us,
and then obviously our quarterback Rome is really really solid
at Todd Downing. So the staff is what it needs
to be. We got to believe in in in Nathaniel.
There's you know, been some things that we've improved on,
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been some things that were out of his control. At
the end of the day, him and ized partnership is
one that's been fruitful in the past, and it's going
to be fruitful again.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I don't know if there's anybody in the NFL that's
had a worse couple of off seasons than Nathaniel Hackett,
because Sean Payton basically swiped him last year and talked
about the awful coaching and all that, which got everybody
fired up in New York and they wanted and Rogers
wanted to defend him and spoke publicly about it. And
(27:00):
then this offseason, I think it was Connor Hughes of
S and Y who reported and we talked about this
on our show that the Jets were trying and actively
looking for an offensive assistant or somebody to basically come
in and basically take over the offense. So two off
seasons in a row, your ability to do the job
has publicly been questioned. And the way it looks now
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is the only reason that he's in the role is
because Aaron Rodgers is there. And I'm not saying like, like,
Nathaniel Hackett knows a hell of a lot more about
offensive football than I do, but it does feel like
maybe somebody's sort of being thrown out there is like
all right, well this is really hampering us, but you know,
we'll go with him because he's Rogers' guy, and maybe
(27:47):
this could be sort of what does them in, or
at least the discussion for doing them in. And I
look at it and I go, if I'm Nathaniel Hackett
and I've got Robert slaz sitting in our meetings. Now
I've got the stuff that happened last offseason, the stuff
that happened this offseason. He's got to be a little
rattled at this point. Nah, you don't think it does.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I'm gonna tell you what it does for Nathaniel Hackett
in this moment. It gives him plausible deniability. And I
use that earlier in the show with Justin Jefferson. Now
Nathaniel Hackett gets an opportunity to use that plausible deniability
against Robert Salah, you're meddling, you're involved, you're putting your
(28:29):
input on it, you're touching on it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's not mine.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
How can we get the results that I know I'm
capable of getting If I'm not able to operate and
do things the way that I do them, you're interrupting
my process. That's just saying if it were to go wrong, right, Jonas, Like,
you don't want to put yourself in a situation where
you can't find another job after this one goes wrong.
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And we all know that if you're in the coaching profession,
chances are very high, very likely that you will be
looking for another job at some point in time if
you're going to continue to be a coach.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So to me, knowing.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
That you have a head coach, which by the way,
the head coach is the head coach. He's allowed to
delegate however he wants to delegate. He's allowed to insert himself,
however he wants to insert himself, no diddy and what's
going on within the building and with what's going on
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within the meeting rooms and what have you. So that's
his right, and for what it's worth, I think Robert
Salah is out of runway. So the only way this
thing works out for everybody involved is if this team
has the type of success that that would lend lend
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to the argument and the discussion point that this is
a team that is going in the right direction, and
you have cause to keep everybody in play in place,
that that are in place, that that includes Nathaniel Hackett
I would assume because that would mean that Aaron Rodgers
is having success, which would mean that the trickle down
effect is is that you want to keep everybody happy
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with what's going on. And I think Nathaniel Hackett on
the staff with Aaron Rodgers keeps both of them happy.
More specifically Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Joel Elliott, our technical producer, currently wearing a Bad Boy
Records T shirt.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, bad Boy.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
LA checked this out. What is that like?
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Tell us what that's like when you know you got
a coach that is like, you know, everybody on the
team though he looking because that's funny. You said he
may be out of runway, so kind of the players
know one to coach is like up out of there right.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (30:58):
And some turned the music on, y'all say, turning the musical.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That, Well, that's what they called lame.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You can't tell us a damn thing, coach, you're out
of here.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
While you're all your way out, How you gonna tell
me about the dog getting mad?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Dead man?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
You know there have been and you know, I had
plenty of coaches, so I had plenty good examples of
one way or the other, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
When I was in Washington, we knew. We knew by games.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Three, Dog, we knew by game three that North Turner's
ass was on.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It was grass.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Did he get fired mid season or mid season? So
three games in you're like, well.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
There was another one ain't gonna work out for him.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
And I was young, I was a rook so I
didn't even understand what all that meant. Like I had
never had a coach fired, so I didn't go into
it knowing that that was the scenario.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
But it certainly turned out to be. You know, Vet,
Vet's new.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
You know had game three, you know what.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Like game three, we knew he was it was bad.
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
My favorite part about that is is that there was
a Washington fan who was living and dying with every
game and had nothing but hope and optimism, and yet
inside the locker room by week three, they're like, oh,
it's over. We're not even in October yet.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I remember when I remember when coach Spurrier when he
went on the like it's over.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
He came in. I don't remember what week it was.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I don't I do not recall all the details, like
I don't like my first year.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I kind of remember quite well.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I remember the Marty Year kind of well, but I
remember Spurrier came into the room.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You know, everybody settled down, sell out. We lost the game.
No body's fault, no body's fault. We're all professional here.
We lost, Okay, that's it. You know, we lost.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Snowbody's fault. Snowbody's fault. We was looking around like nobody's fault.
Like that might have been the most serious, passive aggressive
approach to basically said yeah, we're all screwed. Basically, we're
all looking around like like coach was, like they rolled
out and got him along neck.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You know what I mean, I'm gonna go hit these greens.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Look, we go out to practice, we go after the practice,
we go outside.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It's cold as it was.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
It was an unexpected cold on the football field, and
it was like kind of like like not raining hard,
but it was like there was there was pre sip,
there was there was moisture coming down, and it was cold.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It was cold like like sprinkles.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And he's sitting there on the practice field like coached
and checked out.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Man, you didn't coach checked out? Like we're looking at
him like we cold as hell too, everybody cold as hell.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
We're going through the warm ups. We get out of
warm ups, we're in. We're in the first part of practice.
I want to say, indie period. Coach blew his whistles, like,
all right, let's take it on.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
End, let's take it on. Take it on.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It's cold out here, like, we're not not going to
practice his cold.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
We're not doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I did it, rod here man.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
We was in the game. We we went have sat like,
get done. I won't go trade that at indoor soccer facility.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Do you do you think if I were to list
off the losses that you had that year with coach
Spurry or his second year Steve Spurrier in Washington, LeVar,
do you think you could remember which game it was
where he just said, well, that's it, nobody's fault.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I can't remember, though, I can't remember. We ended up
being what five and eleven?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, five and eleven.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You started remember back in three you went undefeated and
we went undefeated in preseason.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You also that year you beat the Jets in week one,
you won a week two, you lost in overtime to
the Giants in Week three overtime, and then you beat
the Patriots in Week four.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Did we really Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
And then you went on a heater and lost four
straight and lost.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
One after a new coach starts.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And I believe it seven of their of their next
day they lost. Did Washington? You beat the Giants in
week fourteen? And then after that you got shut out
by the Cowboys twenty seven and nothing. You were at
the Bears and lost twenty seven to twenty four. That
was that was the cold.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I remember that one. That was the Colchwer game.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And then and then Philadelphia narrowly escaped you guys thirty
one seven. I was the final in that game, so
narrowly rarely. But you know what, Steve Spurrier, he's he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I love no boy's fault.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
We're all prosh man. He loved the golf too, Huh,
yes he did.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I'm gonna get me some long neck go go hit,
go hit some balls.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'll tell you when he did. When I was in
South Carolina doing radio, that was our favorite thing to
do with Steve Spurrier because at some point somebody would
get astray, like it'd just be real sneaky like this.
There was this guy Eric Walford, who was I think
the offensive line coach who he hired and then ended
up taking the head coaching job at Youngstown State, and like,
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listen for pure, I don't know. Youngstown State's a good program. Sure,
like the Penguins, Like that's a good program. I think
bo Polini was there, and so he's the offensive line coach,
and I think he gets the head coaching job at
Youngstown State. And so Spurrier is doing this press conference
kind of announcing the decision, and he's like, yeah, you know,
we're happy for Eric. You know, did did great things here.
(36:50):
You know, that's that's why I brought him on. You know,
very was really confident in his abilities and uh, definitely
happy any time a coach of mine can can advance
to the next level and get his get his own opportunity.
So we appreciate everything he did for us, and we're
happy and excited for his future. But sure did think
you'd be here more than one year. Gotta tell you.
It's like, wait, what are you happier? You're not happy?
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And then just went about his day, went and did
his coaches show during the week. Half the time might
have been half in the bag while he was doing
the coaches show, and then played golf and I believe
he was a member at Augusta National. Like literally loved golf,
loved football too. But anybody that I've talked to says
he's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Coach is a og Man, that he was really really
fun straight og Yeah, and they it is horrible what
they did to that man, you know what I mean.
Like I told our guys, I said, the one thing
y'all go and regret is not being better professionals while
we had him, because they ruined that that dude.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Let us stay at home. We had so many we
had so many.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Cool things going on with coach spurryer Man just wanted
the coolest dudes and all you had to do was
your job.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
We just didn't have enough professionals on that team, Like
it was a bunch of posers, and and it led to,
you know, some horrible results and then they let him
go and then they bring in you know after I
don't even want to go there, but anyway, it's just,
you know, we needed more pros.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
We need it more pros.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Joe oh Man.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
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Speaker 3 (38:31):
So the Dallas Cowboys by themselves in an interesting spot
because you're looking around your backyard and your city. You're like,
hold on a second. So the Mavericks are one game
away from going to the NBA Finals and might get it. Yeah,
You've got the Texas Rangers who just won a World Series.
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And you got the Dallas Stars who were in Edmonton
for Game three up later on tonight with a chance
to go to the Stanley Cup Final.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
You got a megastar quarterback going into a sophomore season
in Houston.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, and you're just kind of looking around going, you know,
one of these things is not like the other. Uh,
And the Dallas Cowboys find themselves in a spot to
where they're not, you know, they're not not performing to
the level of everybody else in town. And so Dak
Prescott was asked about how he felt about the Cowboys
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and they're, you know, just sort of performance in comparison
to the Stars and the Mavericks and the Rangers. And
here was Dak. Here was Dak talking about the situation
there and with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (39:44):
It's not jealousy, but yeah, it fires you up. Yeah,
one hundred percent. I think any competitor should damn sure
in my position leader of the team, understanding what went
winning means here not getting it done, and then watching
your brothers, you say, the city going making things happen.
I'm nobody.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I want it.
Speaker 11 (40:03):
I want it for him, trust me, I want it
because it only, as I said, it only raises steakes
and and makes makes it tougher on me. And I'm
for that, And so go in it, go in and
Rangers did it? The other two, go do it and
put more pressure on us.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Hey, you know what's even more interesting. You want to
have some insult to injury? What did you say earlier?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Kelsey? And who was that? What game? Dapping up? Who?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Luca? Everybody else?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Hey, not even Dak in your house, in your perceived house.
You got Patrick Mahomes out here because he's a Texas
tech guy.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I get it, but but let's be clear.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
The man himself is in the building in Dallas dapping
up Luca, and they dapping you like if I'm Luca
and I'm Carrie, I'm like, I ain't dapping you my guy.
DA's my guy dat's my guy? Where's Dak? I'm dapping, Dak.
I'm not dapping you. They dappening, They dappening right on
the comfortable. But big da big dap, big, big, big
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giant DAPs, like we dap into the goat. We're trying
to be goats. I am going to be a goat.
I'm an MVP. You're an MVP. Let's have it. Let's
all have it.
Speaker 10 (41:17):
But Von, do you think it makes seem a little
bit more because don't he make more than all of
those guys that that that stars on the other teams?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well, I mean, Dak Press don't make more than my home.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
No, no, no, no, all the stars of the Dallas area. Oh,
who's the highest paid Dallas star in the whole city?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Isn't that up there?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Though?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I mean k is up.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
Actually yeah, you can't be over to dapping. People make
less money to me?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, actually no, it's it's it's Jerry Jones I believe
makes more money.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
But the amazing part the Lee's got an update on
most highest paid Dallas athletes. Right ahead of Luca is
Max Schurezer forty three billion.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Baseball huh, we don't say his name in the true why.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Not, it goes uh, Max Suerzer, Luca, Jacob de Gram
and then Kyrie heang Kyrie, Kyrie getting paid. Here's here's
Dak six. Yeah. So here's the part that here's the
part that's the part that's great about the Dak Cowboys
(42:27):
where they find so. Yeah, the Mavericks are one game
away from the NBA Finals, the Stars are a couple
of games away potentially going to a Stanley Cup Final.
The Rangers just won a World Series. All of that
is great, And the Cowboys haven't sniffed a Super Bowl
in thirty years. And it doesn't matter. They're the team
of that town. Like, it doesn't matter. They could roll
out a three game bag of crap next year, three
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wins for the Cowboys next year, they'll still be the talking.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
It's true. But here's the problem.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
The problem is that you can't take one and make
it into the other. You can't take the other and
make it into that one. The one thing that we're
talking about right here, right now is what Dak Prescott's game. Well,
Dak Prescott is feeling, and what he's feeling is pressure.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Now here's what's crazy.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
About this, right, it's more of an egotistical thing that's
that's driving this because he's made his money and if
it doesn't work out, he still will be commanding top
dollar on the open market if they were to let
him go.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
So he's kind of in a win win situation here.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
If I win in Dallas, I get a new contract,
everything works out, we keep it, keep it rocket, keep
it moving. But if I come up short and I
don't play the way I'm supposed to play, who's going
to be a higher prospect than me on the on
the open market.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Look, even if they come up short. Look they've come
up short every year he's been there, and he's still
put up pretty good number. Last year he was good
last year, Dak Prescott, he's gonna get paid.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
He's good.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Listen, it's all relative because some people call it garbage
time points, there's there's I mean, not all of it
was garbage. He's he's played at times, but he's just
never really delivered in the moment that really really mattered
the most, which is in the playoffs. So to me,
this is a big year for Dak Prescott. But with
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that being said, back to your original point, this does
nothing to deter the vastly big, loyal, exuberant fan base
of the Dallas Cowboys, because they're always looking for the
next opportunity to say, here.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
We go, boys, this is our year. We're going to
be good, right, Whereas.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Dak Prescott may have to move on based upon what's
going on this whatever happens this season will have no
bearing on the popularity. As you mentioned, no bearing whatsoever
on the popularity of the Dallas Cowboys, because they are
too much of a storyline that just continues to keep giving.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
And you don't have an owner when you have ownership,
which you can look at a lot of people have
made it about the ownership being the reason why this
team can't get over the hump, and they're probably right,
but it's not an egregious deal.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
With the Jones family. They have a love relationship with
their fan base. The fan base loves Jerry Jones. They
subscribe to how Jerry Jones is. He seemingly keeps it
super real, shoots from the hip. People fool with Jerry Jones.
If you have an organization like let's just say, for example,
(45:49):
the Washington Commanders now and when they were the Redskins,
Dan Snyder had the team. Dan Snyder not only ran
the team and the organization into the ground, he ran
the fan base away. He decentralized the fan base. Jerry
Jones is a master advertiser, does not run his his
(46:10):
fan base away and invites them and DearS them, keeps
them engaged, does other things that are amazing, boxing matches,
monster truck.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Deals, you name it.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
He does all kinds of stuff. Come on, man, come
on man. Jerry Jones is a master. Come on, come
on man. And they party on that bus too. They
party on that bus. Ain't nothing going on with the
Dallas Cowboys. But but but the weather, that's it. Yeah,
all it is is the weather changing from day to day.
(46:43):
But Dak Prescott, his his surroundings may change and he
may end up somewhere different.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
He could. And that's why the way the Cowboys have
this structured, it's almost like it's a snowball effect because
you're gonna watch this year because you're like, Okay, this
could be it for Dak Presscott of Mike McCarthy. If
they don't get a contract redone, they can't franchise them afterwards.
So this could be it for Dak for Mike McCarthy.
It could be the final right of this era, you know,
the twenty sixteen draft class that's led into this, and.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
People will be happy about it. Oh yeah, but let
those fans will be happy, like, no, it's a new start.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
But it's a storyline that everyone's gonna follow and watch
and then if things go poorly, then they're gonna have
a bunch of new people there and guess what's gonna happen.
They're all gonna watch that storyline now, all right, finally
Dak's gone. Everybody's gone, problem solved, right, Like, it just
continues on and it's been like this for thirty years
and they've got nothing to show for it, no conference
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championship game appearances, nothing, and everybody else in town is
doing legitimate, big things in their sport and it doesn't matter,
It does not matter. They will be the lead, They
are the story, They are the standard in that town.
And for all the criticism we want to give Jerry
Jones and all the dude is the way he is
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marketed and the way he's branded, as you pointed out,
has been brilliant.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Because he could have ruined it. Oh I mean Dan
Sniper Dan Snyder ruined every I know. Jack Cook is
rolling in his draft. He rolling in his grave somewhere.
This man undid everything I did to build this, this
organization to be represented and as as valuable as as
(48:25):
it was when he took over it. And you know what,
then Dan messed it up like seemingly an unmess upable
type of scenario, unmess upable like.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
That, and he screwed it for a living. He screwed
that as up, screwed it right on up.
Speaker 6 (48:42):
Hey, can Dak afford to miss OTAs?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yes, Dak is in the driver's seat.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Dak is in the driver's seat, like I said, because
he will be the most coveted free agent. There's gonna
be a coach or two out there and a GM
out there that says it wasn't Dak. There's at least
one or two of them out there that will sit
there and say it wasn't that, and they'll pay them.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
And they're also gonna they're gonna justify to themselves by saying, look,
he's a good quarterback, and you know, maybe he just
needs to get away from the.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Distraction in the up in Pittsburgh. You know, let's just
keep the party going on.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Let me tell you something. Would you not feel would
you not feel more optimistic about the Steelers if Dak
was their quarterback this year.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
I ain't gonna lie I would, Hell, I would. I
would tell you definitely would.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah. So he's got all the leverage, he's got all
the everything is pointing.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
In why I think he's a better quarterback than definitely
Russell Wilson. I think he I think he has more
potential than Russell Wilson, and he's a better quarterback than
justin fields today.
Speaker 10 (49:44):
Yes, we don't question is his ability or his ability
question Joel?
Speaker 6 (49:51):
He can't finish?
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, but you put him.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Listen, I'm gonna say this to Dak's defense, there was
no defense and my baby boy, happy birthday to you, Micah.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
The defense they were some scrubs against green Ball.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
They got opened up.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
They were some scrubs.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
It was not I would not sit there and say
I'm putting that loss on on Dallas's offense in the
playoffs last season.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
It was actually down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
And by and by the time and by the time.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I'm talking hospital scrub and by.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
The time, you know, Dallas was starting to you know,
put up any points to get any momentum. I think
Jake Ferguson had a big game as well too. It
was already over because Green Bay had been running it
up on him for hours like it was over. So
I just I look at it. Go DA's got all
the leverage in the world hospital and as far as
leverage in that town. The cowboys got it all too,
(50:52):
Like Jerry Jones can do whatever the hell he wants.
They're going to run the show there
It's the best of two Pros and a Couple Joe
with LaVar Ar rating Win and Jonas Knots on.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Fox Sports Radio. Hello, LaVar, Hi Jonas.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Are we going to try and pretend like we're professional
here for the next three hours? Are we gonna uh,
you know what, I'm going.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
To pretend like like I'm here because you chose to
do today.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
That's That's what I'm going to act like day. I'm
going to hurt some people today. Okay, okay, when are
we leaving?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Listen? Why is that?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Why is that the question I'm asking? I mean, I'm
not saying, like, why are we going to hurt anybody?
It's like, all right, let's go do it.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And now, for those of you that are not familiar,
LeVar and I and Brady Quinn do a show a
little diddy called Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
here Monday through Friday. Well, not that one. No, yeah,
not that one. No, We're not you know, we're not
scumbacks and weird. But the point is we do a
show during the week from six am to nine am
(01:06):
Eastern time three to six Pacific times, so it's three
hours before this and you know, we understand that some
of the ways that we talk and kind of treat
each other might be a little off putting to some
people out there. And this time slot, so we're gonna
try and be as professional as possible.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And I had the day off.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
You decided to do DP, so I'm not gonna let
you be by yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh there we are.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You know here we are. Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Let's let's not be off putting to to our Dan
Patrick fan base.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Let's just knock it down. We'll talk about some sports.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Hell yeah, I mean listen, I you know, it's good
to have some help. It's good to have each other.
I mean, Anthony Edwards wouldn't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You not know what that is?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You know, Anthony Edwards is sitting there watching seven footers
get torched up being defensive MVPs. How the hell did
that happen? And then you got your other seven footer
who thinks he's Mike Conley at five to a staggering
five ten in height and can dribble and shoot. So
he doesn't he doesn't believe in dirty work down low.
(02:16):
He's going to stay out on the three point line.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Look I said it, and I was half joking before
we went to the break during the weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Dude, limit them. You are not allowed to shoot more
than one three unless you make it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I said it. One three a half for anybody over
six eleven, that's it. If you are six eleven and above,
you get one three point attempt a half. That's in
case there's a buzzer beater needed. If you shoot a
three and you are over six eleven, three game suspension,
or you have right off the back.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Or you have to be from overseas.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Right, Yes, you can't be American and shooting threes and
be over six.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
We need I'm sorry, we need to gonna work.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah you want to, you want to ted more than
one three a half. I need three at me spitting
a tube, send it in the mail and we need
those results back asack. If you want to make it
in this league shooting threes, I'm tired of it, man,
I'm sick of it.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
You are not Joe LMB. Just better take ass down
on the block. You know what's crazy. They in theory
they could control the pace of the game. They could
control the game if they just used their length, if
they just came down did half court sets set up?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Because you know what, nobody has been shooting lights.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Out, not not not the Mavericks, not the Timberwolves. They
haven't been shooting lights out. There have been offensive struggles
like Jonas set the if you're not gonna take your
big ass, which you saw it yesterday too, By the way,
if y'all not gonna take y'all big asses down on
this block and create all kinds of matchup problems down
(04:07):
low with your height and your athleticism, then you gotta
come sit on this bench. You saw there was some
critical points in the game where Anthony Tizan switched a
By the way, I was like, I was like, dang,
they call him cat cat. Everybody's saying cat.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I started thinking, right, Oh God, what's the word you
put before cat?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Damn? I will get canceled, so I ain't say it.
But god, Lee, you know what, you play it like
a big old pea cat, you know what I mean?
But say, we'll leave it there, big old peek pejo.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah know what you're talking about. Yeah, man, you're cooking Johnson.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You don't want to smell that fair point and if
you do, well, you just better make sure it's clean.
That's a make sure you're clean, that's all.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Uh, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I mean he's four for thirty two in the series.
At what point? At what point when you're four for
thirty two from three to you go, you know, maybe
this just isn't it? You know, maybe this is like
I swar, I don't know one thing in life that
I've tried thirty two times been successful for with and
been like you know what, I'm going back to the well.
Like literally, not one thing in my life. I've been
four for thirty two with and saw thirty third. I
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didn't see a thirty third attempt after that point? Man,
can I shoot twelve percent? I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I don't get it either.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean at least he assassinated at least he
assassinated a player. I mean, I mean he eliminated and
that somebody Lovely's points, Like he wasn't getting points. But
at least he eliminated somebody who was getting points.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That is a fair point. I mean, maybe Karl Anthony
Towns maybe not a three point shooter, but a hell
of a Muay Thai fighter because.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Way he in the jangles first, that wasn't enough.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, that just wasn't That was not enough to
hurt that man that way and his pride. Then you're
gonna go ahead and finish him off with the moy
Thai knee to.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The head man.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Just yeah, it is not not an idea. And I'll
be honest with you, I was completely wrong about this series.
And and here's the best part is because we're doing
this show in a different time slot tomorrow, when we're
back in our normal time slot, I'm gonna come back
and lie and say I never said any of this stuff.
But I'll admit it here because you know what, why
not you will have a have a little bit of honesty. Sure,
(06:38):
I'll just say this STP show anyway, he didn't count.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It don't matter, nobody ever heard it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Say whatever the hell we want, Like it's like our airbnb.
You know, we don't have to clean up after ourselves.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, actually we got that security deposit.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Won't mess it up because then they come down, this
guy come collecting, like, whoa, y'all left a mess.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Got to pay up?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, I'll just say this so Brady Quinn for Super
Bowl Week he went over and was with Dan and
the guys for super Bowl week when we were in
Las Vegas. I believe they were at the Fountain Blue Hotel.
Where they were at the place is fantastic. And so
he went over there and you know, very studious and
professional and all this, we can assure you. A couple
(07:25):
hours before that, he was not okay. It is two
different worlds, all right. So we understand that there's a certain,
you know, a line we can't cross. But I'll just
say this, I was completely wrong about this series. I
thought at least Minnesota would have gotten a game by
this point if they were down to one. I get it.
And I know there was the heartbreaker shot in Game
(07:46):
two that I believe our Lord and Savior Scott Shapiro
was on site for in Minnesota, diehard Timberwolves fan and
Luca hitting that game. But I just thought that there
would have been either an adjustment made or a chance
and they were. Look, the guys on TNT were calling
out Chris Finch like, dude, you got to make some adjustments,
(08:07):
like it's not working. These lineups aren't working. Dallas is
eating you alive. Their superstars are playing like superstars and
Edwards had at a good game last night. That dunk
was was awesome. But he's not getting any help, dude,
Like he's just.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Not You know, sometimes sometimes you look at at something
and you don't give it the necessary credit it's deserving of. Okay,
the Minnesota Timberwolves aren't playing bad basketball. You mentioned the
(08:42):
whole idea of strategically being a little differently, tried something new.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I agree with you. There. Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
This is what this made me think about the fact
that they took the defending champions to seven games, got
out of the seer, and we were looking at Anthony
Edwards as here's baby Jordan. We're looking at this Minnesota
Timberwolves team as a team that could be contended with,
(09:11):
Like they really could be a dominant force because you
have such an athlete out front with Edwards, and then
you have these interior guys that you just they call
them the Twin Towers, Like there really should be no
reason why anyone should be able to beat this team
because you have some good aded guys, you got some
(09:33):
perimeter guys that can shoot, you got some athletes, and
it's set up for you to be able to outman
outsize the team you go up against, like that's just
what it is. But when you have Carl Anthony Town
scoring fourteen points and the dude is literally shooting you
(09:56):
out of the lead, like you guys have a lead,
and this guy just pulling up from way out there right,
it's to me, it's like this has worked for them,
and it got them here. They got through the national
or the defending champs. That's probably why they felt like,
(10:16):
stay true to the sauce and let's let's push through.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Let's make it happen.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
They've been close to winning, they've been up in the games,
they've shown that they can compete with this Mavericks team.
It's just not good enough. It's just not good enough.
And it's not good enough because you have two guys
that are playing out of their minds. Kyrie Irving is
(10:42):
playing like Uncle Drew on the movie, like it's scripted,
like you guys, stop here, let him go there, stop
right there, let him shoot it there? Okay, cut, that's
that's the scene right there. He's looking like he's straight
out of a movie.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And for some strange reason, naydn't pissed Luka off and
he's been in this series talking mad cash and and
and cash and checks and letting them know I'm taking
your money from the table and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So when you get.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Two guys as talented as they are that's playing at
the level they're playing at, you had better figure out
a way to slow down the pace of the game.
Play half court sets, use your size, like create files.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Get to the free throw line. You have to do
things that that.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Are more lumbering, not more more skill driven, because you
really only have one guy that can match up to
the skill level of playing at that type of pace,
and that's atwards and that's not play that's not paying dividends.
So it's been a rough series for this Timberwolves team
because they did try some new things differently yesterday, it
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just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It didn't work.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I want to apologize to Luca because I think I
made a statement on Fox Sports Radio over the past
couple of weeks and and I and I wanted to
apologize because it was kind of reckless and I don't
think appropriate for what we do. When I said that
Luca looks like somebody who smokes cigarettes, and I want
to take that back. It's not that it's not well, no,
(12:18):
not that it's it's not it's not that I think
he smokes cigarettes. I think he's one of those guys
that that has a long dart when he drinks, like
like he looks like that type of guy, Like he's
having a couple of.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Cocktail smoker's deck.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, and then the next thing, you know, like three
four in he's got one behind one ear and one
behind the other.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Are they like?
Speaker 4 (12:37):
No, I don't know what type of cigarette would he
be smoking.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I don't know, probably a like a parliament or something
like a Virginia slim with like the little the little
thing at the end, like a beating a beat maybe.
But you're right, man, he is talking a lot. Man
like he knows he's got around. Oh, he's got them
in his back pock and he can do what he
wants now. Kyrie Irving, his teammate, did speak after the
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game just about sort of his gift if you will,
towards being a teammate to others. Let's take a listen
to Ki.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Ever since I was young, I've always felt like I'm
one of the best in the world because I'm able
to play with other great players. I don't ask for
the ball I'm demanded. I will play defense, I will
do all the other things that don't show up in
the stat sheet. And that's always what I've wanted to
be remembered as everything else that people have thrown on
my career has been up to them and what they've seen,
and I have to take that, you know, I have
to take that fair criticism. But how I feel as
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a person when I go out there is confident and
effort that will play with the best of the world.
I don't care who's out there. I don't care who's
out there. It could be Will MJ, Steph Bron, you know,
whatever team. And I feel like, you know, if I
get a few of my friends from around the way,
you know, hey, we might not have a chance that day.
But you know, I think just enjoying the game and
the competition is what comes with it.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
So that's really what I'm getting at.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
It's just enjoying the competition and enjoying, you know, the
failures in the succes us to coming into.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's kind of fun to see the about face that
a lot of people are dealing with.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Kyrie Irving. I mean, he did say the world was flat,
The Earth was flat.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You know, it might be look up enough videos on YouTube.
It's pretty convincing. I'll tell you that. I mean the
way some people let's have that discussion, right, you know,
I'm in.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
But it is easy and it is simple to change
your tone. Kyrie Irving isn't a belligerent, right, he's not.
He's not an irritant in the sense that the things
that he says are like a Draymond Green type, right,
he doesn't. He's very comes across it's very soft spoken.
(14:43):
He comes across as intelligent and intellectual. And sometimes the
biggest turn off is when you're you're kind of like
that intellectual type that that can hoop, that can do
do athletic things. It's like, dude, it's smart, Okay, he
speaks intelligently. Okay, he's kind of soft smoke spoken, Da dad,
this that and the other. Oh, and he'll cross you up,
(15:05):
you know, Oh, this is the dude that's walking around
with like, what what's the what's the the stuff that
you be you know, burning to get rid of bad?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah? What was it? Frankin sense or whatever? It is?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It terrible?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I think it's like it's debatable it could go either way.
Like it's like kind of sage. There you go, thanks Joel.
It's just one of those things where I think the things, Joel, don't.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Let anybody paint you into a corner. All he knows
the lions please.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Oh what you mean somewhere with that? No, he's somewhere
with that, Okay. Anyway. I just I think that you
don't have to hate Kyrie Irving like you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You can choose to have issues with.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
How he does things at times, or what he may
say or what it may feel. But I just don't
feel like the dude has ever been outright egregious where
you should have a real problem with him, and that
leads to a moment like this where he's playing well
and Luca balances everything out. You know, you got a
nice York pian fella. You know, he's more thugged out
(16:16):
than Kyrie is, and it kind of balances everything out.
It's like eb Beny and iver Reell. Yeah goes agaty
and perfect hard. That isn't really how it goes, but
I'm just saying that works enough, you know what I meant?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's better of the crap AI puts out so she
got that on him. What I'd say about Kyrie is
I think that what people question is his decision to
want to be away from Lebron James, Like I want
I want to be away from Lebron James. I want
to go do my own thing.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, that was still a question. I think more sense.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
The problem is the path he took to get there.
He went to Boston, that was a disaster, and he lied.
I mean, there's that. So he's gonna, I mean, when
they meet the Celtics in the next round, he's going
to get his ass booed in to oblivion or as
Mike Tyson would say, bolivian when he when he goes
when he goes to Boston there because they are not
fans of Kyrie irving with the bill of goods he
sold them and then bailed and then you know, he
(17:12):
got together with you know, Kevin Durant didn't work out.
But you had in between there all the vaccination status
stuff and all the flatter stuff that you mentioned and
all that, and yet here we are and it's like
you can kind of push all that crap aside and
just acknowledge, Oh, he's an incredible basketball player. The guy's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
He's a facilitator, he's a score just nasty man.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah. And and and for what it's worth.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
To sit there and say he was trying to get
away from lebron I mean, he must have known, he
was on the clock that Bronni was coming for a
big eventually, so he didn't want to be disrupted that way.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
He wanted to play his career out with a little
bit of you know, you know, stability like lebron has had,
you know what I mean, instead of sitting there waiting
to see Bronni come take.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The job so I get white, Yeah, restated away.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
He looked into the future and realized, I gotta get
away from this, to get away a lot of danger there.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
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Speaker 3 (18:51):
We opened up talking about the NBA playoffs. We opened
up talking about the Minnesota Timberwolves. They've got a problem.
They've got a guy who's, you know, seven foot nine
and a four to thirty two from three. That's an issue.
The Dallas Mavericks have a three to zhos series lead.
But I mean, the one thing is at least there
(19:11):
is still hope. There is still hope for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
They're down three to zero, they're not down four to oh,
so there is still hope there. There's some people that
also think that there's hope in the NFL when it
comes to the New York Jets, and those people are
people who are believers in Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers
spoke with Serious XM over the weekend, and he talked
(19:35):
about just the reality of why the Jets are on
primetime as much as they are and just sort of
what it's looking like. As far as the anticipation and
the coverage of the New York Jets this upcoming season.
Let's hear from Aaron Rodgers himself.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I love it. I mean, we are must watch TV.
And that's pretty obvious. Everybody knows that, whether you love
me or hate me, people want to see me play.
They enjoy watching me play, and we are a team
to watch this year. Not surprising.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
How's that feel? Somebody, somebody who's a doubter of Aaron Rodgers,
All right, doubter. You can doubt the Timberwolves all you want,
you can't doubt Aaron Rodgers and the Jets this upcoming season.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
So once again it's all based upon it being Aaron Rodgers.
Hell no, you don't go to Green Bay for Wisconsin
and for the cheese.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
You go there for Aaron Rodgs. Damn right. So that's
the same thing in the Big Apple.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
You don't go to New York City, you know, number one,
number two media market in the world to see the
New York Jets play.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You go to see Aaron.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I got your statue of liberty right here. It's Aaron Rodgers.
That's who you're going to New York. You go, Yeah,
that's what it's all.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
About, how you feel about it.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I mean he's okay. First of all, he's right. I
mean people do what But I think people want to
watch it because I think there are some people they
don't like Rogers. He's not you know, he's very polarizing.
And as he said, you know, whether you like me
or not, people like it watching me play. That is true.
I think there's a lot of people who are waiting
(21:08):
for the impending doom, the disaster to go.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Because are you insinuating that I'm one of those people?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I listen, I'm not insinuating anything. This is a brand
new time slot. We could be whatever we want right now.
It's like it's like there's a costume party. Who can
dress up as much.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Set the stage for everyone.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
But like, because everyone out there listening who may not
listen to our time slot, what Jonas is doing right
now is he is earning a ten dollars five Are
you talking about passively aggressively placing a topic of conversation
that I have had a very very strong opinion on
(21:42):
and and I'm not waning on on how I feel
about it.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
What do you mean there's no change in place, So
go ahead, you can tell.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
The I mean, LeVar is not a believer in Aaron
Rodgers in the New York Jets, and Brady Quinn and
myself are believers and Aaron Rodgers in the New York Jets.
I think they're going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And uh, LeVar says, wild card team. Right, yeah, both the.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Playoff team, wild card division, however you want it. I
think they're going to be a playoff team, LeVar said, And.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
You think the division?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think there's a chance, Jerry, Jerry relaxed.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
All right. I mean, are you serious they might win
the division?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'm saying there's a possibility. Here's what I would say.
LeVar said, the Jets will be so bad next year
that they're going to be contracted from the league and
put in the uf L. Did you or did you
not say that? Sword you said that?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, I didn't go I didn't go that far.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You said, and I quote, if they were on a
neutral field against the Saint Louis BattleHawks, I take the
BattleHawks by a touchdown. Did you or did you not
say that about Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I did not say that, but I did say I
do not feel confident that this is a two digit,
double digit win team.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Isn't it going to be a fun watch though?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I think either way, like you said, and I'm not
watching with the idea of looking for Aaron Rodgers's demise
or even the team's demise. I'm not invested in the
New York Jets that way, don't. I don't have any
malice towards them or anything that would lead me down
a biased, you know, take on the team. I'm just
(23:26):
looking at it from the standpoint of what has this
team been able to do over the last decade. And
when you look at the characters that they've had on
this team, they've had, They've had guys on their roster.
This hasn't been a team depleted of talent during the
(23:47):
course of I mean it's been more than a decade. Really,
there is nothing that says to me, based off of
the correlation of everything that has transpired with this French
that they're going in the right direction. And furthermore, I
don't get that from Robert Salah. When has Robert Salah
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as the head coach of this team given you any
reason to think that they're going to be anything but
what they've been since he's taken over.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
No hate, no shade, but that's just reality.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Like if we're looking at it from from the reality
of what Robert Sala has done as the head coach, there,
there's no reason to think that they're heading in the
direction of being a Super Bowl contender or even a
divisional champ.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
You don't want to haller for Sala hold on. I
just think in his to his point, you know, yeah,
we must watch TV. Where must be TV. I'm fascinated
to see how it works because you do have you've
sort of You've got this quarterback who is like, like
we talked about, very polarizing, and he's trying to steer
(24:55):
the ship of a boat that cannot help but crash.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Literally or might already be Craiz.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It could be and I like that there it could
be going anywhere, like hey, yeah, you know the back
ends kind of you know, good drifting lower and lower
into the ocean, Like, yeah, it could be that.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like we're in a sand bar right now. I know
there's water. I know we're looking at water boat, but
we're not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
The other part of this that I that I think
is interesting because you know, Rogers talked about, you know,
how Robert Sala has been more involved with the offense,
but he also talked about in this next clip, he
talked about Nathaniel Hackett and just having his trust in
Nathaniel Hackett, the offensive coordinator. There again, this was Rogers
(25:44):
with serious XM.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Well, you should trust me and I trust Nathaniel, So
to me, that's the end of the story. There's been
a lot of you know, a lot of bs that's
been said out there. You know, there's a lot of
things that have gone on the last couple of years
that he's dealt with it. I think he's handled very professionally,
and at the end of the day, I think you've
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got to trust him and I his working relationship and
the conversation that we have. Keith Carter, you know, has
done a really nice job at offensive line for us,
and then obviously our quarterback Rome is really really solid
at Todd Downing. So the staff is what it needs
to be. We got to believe in in in Nathaniel.
There's you know, been some things that we've improved on,
(26:29):
been some things that were out of his control. At
the end of the day, him and ized partnership is
one that's been fruitful in the past, and it's going
to be fruitful again.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I don't know if there's anybody in the NFL that's
had a worse couple of off seasons than Nathaniel Hackett,
because Sean Payton basically swiped him last year and talked
about the awful coaching and all that, which got everybody
fired up in New York and they wanted and Rogers
wanted to defend him and spoke publicly about it. And
(27:00):
then this offseason, I think it was Connor Hughes of
S and Y who reported and we talked about this
on our show that the Jets were trying and actively
looking for an offensive assistant or somebody to basically come
in and basically take over the offense. So two off
seasons in a row, your ability to do the job
has publicly been questioned. And the way it looks now
(27:24):
is the only reason that he's in the role is
because Aaron Rodgers is there. And I'm not saying like, like,
Nathaniel Hackett knows a hell of a lot more about
offensive football than I do, but it does feel like
maybe somebody's sort of being thrown out there is like
all right, well this is really hampering us, but you know,
we'll go with him because he's Rogers' guy, and maybe
(27:47):
this could be sort of what does them in, or
at least the discussion for doing them in. And I
look at it and I go, if I'm Nathaniel Hackett
and I've got Robert slaz sitting in our meetings. Now
I've got the stuff that happened last offseason, the stuff
that happened this offseason. He's got to be a little
rattled at this point. Nah, you don't think it does.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I'm gonna tell you what it does for Nathaniel Hackett
in this moment. It gives him plausible deniability. And I
use that earlier in the show with Justin Jefferson. Now
Nathaniel Hackett gets an opportunity to use that plausible deniability
against Robert Salah, you're meddling, you're involved, you're putting your
(28:29):
input on it, you're touching on it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's not mine.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
How can we get the results that I know I'm
capable of getting If I'm not able to operate and
do things the way that I do them, you're interrupting
my process. That's just saying if it were to go wrong, right, Jonas, Like,
you don't want to put yourself in a situation where
you can't find another job after this one goes wrong.
(28:56):
And we all know that if you're in the coaching profession,
chances are very high, very likely that you will be
looking for another job at some point in time if
you're going to continue to be a coach.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So to me, knowing.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
That you have a head coach, which by the way,
the head coach is the head coach. He's allowed to
delegate however he wants to delegate. He's allowed to insert himself,
however he wants to insert himself, no diddy and what's
going on within the building and with what's going on
(29:33):
within the meeting rooms and what have you. So that's
his right, and for what it's worth, I think Robert
Salah is out of runway. So the only way this
thing works out for everybody involved is if this team
has the type of success that that would lend lend
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to the argument and the discussion point that this is
a team that is going in the right direction, and
you have cause to keep everybody in play in place,
that that are in place, that that includes Nathaniel Hackett
I would assume because that would mean that Aaron Rodgers
is having success, which would mean that the trickle down
effect is is that you want to keep everybody happy
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with what's going on. And I think Nathaniel Hackett on
the staff with Aaron Rodgers keeps both of them happy.
More specifically Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Joel Elliott, our technical producer, currently wearing a Bad Boy
Records T shirt.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, bad Boy.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
LA checked this out. What is that like?
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Tell us what that's like when you know you got
a coach that is like, you know, everybody on the
team though he looking because that's funny. You said he
may be out of runway, so kind of the players
know one to coach is like up out of there right.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (30:58):
And some turned the music on, y'all say, turning the musical.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That, Well, that's what they called lame.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You can't tell us a damn thing, coach, you're out
of here.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
While you're all your way out, How you gonna tell
me about the dog getting mad?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Dead man?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
You know there have been and you know, I had
plenty of coaches, so I had plenty good examples of
one way or the other, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
When I was in Washington, we knew. We knew by games.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Three, Dog, we knew by game three that North Turner's
ass was on.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It was grass.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Did he get fired mid season or mid season? So
three games in you're like, well.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
There was another one ain't gonna work out for him.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
And I was young, I was a rook so I
didn't even understand what all that meant. Like I had
never had a coach fired, so I didn't go into
it knowing that that was the scenario.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
But it certainly turned out to be. You know, Vet,
Vet's new.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
You know had game three, you know what.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Like game three, we knew he was it was bad.
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
My favorite part about that is is that there was
a Washington fan who was living and dying with every
game and had nothing but hope and optimism, and yet
inside the locker room by week three, they're like, oh,
it's over. We're not even in October yet.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I remember when I remember when coach Spurrier when he
went on the like it's over.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
He came in. I don't remember what week it was.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I don't I do not recall all the details, like
I don't like my first year.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I kind of remember quite well.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I remember the Marty Year kind of well, but I
remember Spurrier came into the room.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You know, everybody settled down, sell out. We lost the game.
No body's fault, no body's fault. We're all professional here.
We lost, Okay, that's it. You know, we lost.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Snowbody's fault. Snowbody's fault. We was looking around like nobody's fault.
Like that might have been the most serious, passive aggressive
approach to basically said yeah, we're all screwed. Basically, we're
all looking around like like coach was, like they rolled
out and got him along neck.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You know what I mean, I'm gonna go hit these greens.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Look, we go out to practice, we go after the practice,
we go outside.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It's cold as it was.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
It was an unexpected cold on the football field, and
it was like kind of like like not raining hard,
but it was like there was there was pre sip,
there was there was moisture coming down, and it was cold.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It was cold like like sprinkles.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And he's sitting there on the practice field like coached
and checked out.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Man, you didn't coach checked out? Like we're looking at
him like we cold as hell too, everybody cold as hell.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
We're going through the warm ups. We get out of
warm ups, we're in. We're in the first part of practice.
I want to say, indie period. Coach blew his whistles, like,
all right, let's take it on.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
End, let's take it on. Take it on.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It's cold out here, like, we're not not going to
practice his cold.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
We're not doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I did it, rod here man.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
We was in the game. We we went have sat like,
get done. I won't go trade that at indoor soccer facility.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Do you do you think if I were to list
off the losses that you had that year with coach
Spurry or his second year Steve Spurrier in Washington, LeVar,
do you think you could remember which game it was
where he just said, well, that's it, nobody's fault.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I can't remember, though, I can't remember. We ended up
being what five and eleven?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, five and eleven.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You started remember back in three you went undefeated and
we went undefeated in preseason.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You also that year you beat the Jets in week one,
you won a week two, you lost in overtime to
the Giants in Week three overtime, and then you beat
the Patriots in Week four.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Did we really Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
And then you went on a heater and lost four
straight and lost.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
One after a new coach starts.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And I believe it seven of their of their next
day they lost. Did Washington? You beat the Giants in
week fourteen? And then after that you got shut out
by the Cowboys twenty seven and nothing. You were at
the Bears and lost twenty seven to twenty four. That
was that was the cold.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I remember that one. That was the Colchwer game.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And then and then Philadelphia narrowly escaped you guys thirty
one seven. I was the final in that game, so
narrowly rarely. But you know what, Steve Spurrier, he's he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I love no boy's fault.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
We're all prosh man. He loved the golf too, Huh,
yes he did.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I'm gonna get me some long neck go go hit,
go hit some balls.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'll tell you when he did. When I was in
South Carolina doing radio, that was our favorite thing to
do with Steve Spurrier because at some point somebody would
get astray, like it'd just be real sneaky like this.
There was this guy Eric Walford, who was I think
the offensive line coach who he hired and then ended
up taking the head coaching job at Youngstown State, and like,
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listen for pure, I don't know. Youngstown State's a good program. Sure,
like the Penguins, Like that's a good program. I think
bo Polini was there, and so he's the offensive line coach,
and I think he gets the head coaching job at
Youngstown State. And so Spurrier is doing this press conference
kind of announcing the decision, and he's like, yeah, you know,
we're happy for Eric. You know, did did great things here.
(36:50):
You know, that's that's why I brought him on. You know,
very was really confident in his abilities and uh, definitely
happy any time a coach of mine can can advance
to the next level and get his get his own opportunity.
So we appreciate everything he did for us, and we're
happy and excited for his future. But sure did think
you'd be here more than one year. Gotta tell you.
It's like, wait, what are you happier? You're not happy?
(37:12):
And then just went about his day, went and did
his coaches show during the week. Half the time might
have been half in the bag while he was doing
the coaches show, and then played golf and I believe
he was a member at Augusta National. Like literally loved golf,
loved football too. But anybody that I've talked to says
he's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Coach is a og Man, that he was really really
fun straight og Yeah, and they it is horrible what
they did to that man, you know what I mean.
Like I told our guys, I said, the one thing
y'all go and regret is not being better professionals while
we had him, because they ruined that that dude.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Let us stay at home. We had so many we
had so many.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Cool things going on with coach spurryer Man just wanted
the coolest dudes and all you had to do was
your job.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
We just didn't have enough professionals on that team, Like
it was a bunch of posers, and and it led to,
you know, some horrible results and then they let him
go and then they bring in you know after I
don't even want to go there, but anyway, it's just,
you know, we needed more pros.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
We need it more pros.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Joe oh Man.
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Speaker 3 (38:31):
So the Dallas Cowboys by themselves in an interesting spot
because you're looking around your backyard and your city. You're like,
hold on a second. So the Mavericks are one game
away from going to the NBA Finals and might get it. Yeah,
You've got the Texas Rangers who just won a World Series.
(38:56):
And you got the Dallas Stars who were in Edmonton
for Game three up later on tonight with a chance
to go to the Stanley Cup Final.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
You got a megastar quarterback going into a sophomore season
in Houston.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, and you're just kind of looking around going, you know,
one of these things is not like the other. Uh,
And the Dallas Cowboys find themselves in a spot to
where they're not, you know, they're not not performing to
the level of everybody else in town. And so Dak
Prescott was asked about how he felt about the Cowboys
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and they're, you know, just sort of performance in comparison
to the Stars and the Mavericks and the Rangers. And
here was Dak. Here was Dak talking about the situation
there and with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (39:44):
It's not jealousy, but yeah, it fires you up. Yeah,
one hundred percent. I think any competitor should damn sure
in my position leader of the team, understanding what went
winning means here not getting it done, and then watching
your brothers, you say, the city going making things happen.
I'm nobody.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I want it.
Speaker 11 (40:03):
I want it for him, trust me, I want it
because it only, as I said, it only raises steakes
and and makes makes it tougher on me. And I'm
for that, And so go in it, go in and
Rangers did it? The other two, go do it and
put more pressure on us.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Hey, you know what's even more interesting. You want to
have some insult to injury? What did you say earlier?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Kelsey? And who was that? What game? Dapping up? Who?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Luca? Everybody else?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Hey, not even Dak in your house, in your perceived house.
You got Patrick Mahomes out here because he's a Texas
tech guy.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I get it, but but let's be clear.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
The man himself is in the building in Dallas dapping
up Luca, and they dapping you like if I'm Luca
and I'm Carrie, I'm like, I ain't dapping you my guy.
DA's my guy dat's my guy? Where's Dak? I'm dapping, Dak.
I'm not dapping you. They dappening, They dappening right on
the comfortable. But big da big dap, big, big, big
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giant DAPs, like we dap into the goat. We're trying
to be goats. I am going to be a goat.
I'm an MVP. You're an MVP. Let's have it. Let's
all have it.
Speaker 10 (41:17):
But Von, do you think it makes seem a little
bit more because don't he make more than all of
those guys that that that stars on the other teams?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well, I mean, Dak Press don't make more than my home.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
No, no, no, no, all the stars of the Dallas area. Oh,
who's the highest paid Dallas star in the whole city?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Isn't that up there?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Though?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I mean k is up.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
Actually yeah, you can't be over to dapping. People make
less money to me?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, actually no, it's it's it's Jerry Jones I believe
makes more money.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
But the amazing part the Lee's got an update on
most highest paid Dallas athletes. Right ahead of Luca is
Max Schurezer forty three billion.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Baseball huh, we don't say his name in the true why.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Not, it goes uh, Max Suerzer, Luca, Jacob de Gram
and then Kyrie heang Kyrie, Kyrie getting paid. Here's here's
Dak six. Yeah. So here's the part that here's the
part that's the part that's great about the Dak Cowboys
(42:27):
where they find so. Yeah, the Mavericks are one game
away from the NBA Finals, the Stars are a couple
of games away potentially going to a Stanley Cup Final.
The Rangers just won a World Series. All of that
is great, And the Cowboys haven't sniffed a Super Bowl
in thirty years. And it doesn't matter. They're the team
of that town. Like, it doesn't matter. They could roll
out a three game bag of crap next year, three
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wins for the Cowboys next year, they'll still be the talking.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
It's true. But here's the problem.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
The problem is that you can't take one and make
it into the other. You can't take the other and
make it into that one. The one thing that we're
talking about right here, right now is what Dak Prescott's game. Well,
Dak Prescott is feeling, and what he's feeling is pressure.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Now here's what's crazy.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
About this, right, it's more of an egotistical thing that's
that's driving this because he's made his money and if
it doesn't work out, he still will be commanding top
dollar on the open market if they were to let
him go.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
So he's kind of in a win win situation here.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
If I win in Dallas, I get a new contract,
everything works out, we keep it, keep it rocket, keep
it moving. But if I come up short and I
don't play the way I'm supposed to play, who's going
to be a higher prospect than me on the on
the open market.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Look, even if they come up short. Look they've come
up short every year he's been there, and he's still
put up pretty good number. Last year he was good
last year, Dak Prescott, he's gonna get paid.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
He's good.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Listen, it's all relative because some people call it garbage
time points, there's there's I mean, not all of it
was garbage. He's he's played at times, but he's just
never really delivered in the moment that really really mattered
the most, which is in the playoffs. So to me,
this is a big year for Dak Prescott. But with
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that being said, back to your original point, this does
nothing to deter the vastly big, loyal, exuberant fan base
of the Dallas Cowboys, because they're always looking for the
next opportunity to say, here.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
We go, boys, this is our year. We're going to
be good, right, Whereas.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Dak Prescott may have to move on based upon what's
going on this whatever happens this season will have no
bearing on the popularity. As you mentioned, no bearing whatsoever
on the popularity of the Dallas Cowboys, because they are
too much of a storyline that just continues to keep giving.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
And you don't have an owner when you have ownership,
which you can look at a lot of people have
made it about the ownership being the reason why this
team can't get over the hump, and they're probably right,
but it's not an egregious deal.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
With the Jones family. They have a love relationship with
their fan base. The fan base loves Jerry Jones. They
subscribe to how Jerry Jones is. He seemingly keeps it
super real, shoots from the hip. People fool with Jerry Jones.
If you have an organization like let's just say, for example,
(45:49):
the Washington Commanders now and when they were the Redskins,
Dan Snyder had the team. Dan Snyder not only ran
the team and the organization into the ground, he ran
the fan base away. He decentralized the fan base. Jerry
Jones is a master advertiser, does not run his his
(46:10):
fan base away and invites them and DearS them, keeps
them engaged, does other things that are amazing, boxing matches,
monster truck.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Deals, you name it.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
He does all kinds of stuff. Come on, man, come
on man. Jerry Jones is a master. Come on, come
on man. And they party on that bus too. They
party on that bus. Ain't nothing going on with the
Dallas Cowboys. But but but the weather, that's it. Yeah,
all it is is the weather changing from day to day.
(46:43):
But Dak Prescott, his his surroundings may change and he
may end up somewhere different.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
He could. And that's why the way the Cowboys have
this structured, it's almost like it's a snowball effect because
you're gonna watch this year because you're like, Okay, this
could be it for Dak Presscott of Mike McCarthy. If
they don't get a contract redone, they can't franchise them afterwards.
So this could be it for Dak for Mike McCarthy.
It could be the final right of this era, you know,
the twenty sixteen draft class that's led into this, and.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
People will be happy about it. Oh yeah, but let
those fans will be happy, like, no, it's a new start.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
But it's a storyline that everyone's gonna follow and watch
and then if things go poorly, then they're gonna have
a bunch of new people there and guess what's gonna happen.
They're all gonna watch that storyline now, all right, finally
Dak's gone. Everybody's gone, problem solved, right, Like, it just
continues on and it's been like this for thirty years
and they've got nothing to show for it, no conference
(47:38):
championship game appearances, nothing, and everybody else in town is
doing legitimate, big things in their sport and it doesn't matter,
It does not matter. They will be the lead, They
are the story, They are the standard in that town.
And for all the criticism we want to give Jerry
Jones and all the dude is the way he is
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marketed and the way he's branded, as you pointed out,
has been brilliant.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Because he could have ruined it. Oh I mean Dan
Sniper Dan Snyder ruined every I know. Jack Cook is
rolling in his draft. He rolling in his grave somewhere.
This man undid everything I did to build this, this
organization to be represented and as as valuable as as
(48:25):
it was when he took over it. And you know what,
then Dan messed it up like seemingly an unmess upable
type of scenario, unmess upable like.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
That, and he screwed it for a living. He screwed
that as up, screwed it right on up.
Speaker 6 (48:42):
Hey, can Dak afford to miss OTAs?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yes, Dak is in the driver's seat.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Dak is in the driver's seat, like I said, because
he will be the most coveted free agent. There's gonna
be a coach or two out there and a GM
out there that says it wasn't Dak. There's at least
one or two of them out there that will sit
there and say it wasn't that, and they'll pay them.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
And they're also gonna they're gonna justify to themselves by saying, look,
he's a good quarterback, and you know, maybe he just
needs to get away from the.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Distraction in the up in Pittsburgh. You know, let's just
keep the party going on.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Let me tell you something. Would you not feel would
you not feel more optimistic about the Steelers if Dak
was their quarterback this year.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
I ain't gonna lie I would, Hell, I would. I
would tell you definitely would.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah. So he's got all the leverage, he's got all
the everything is pointing.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
In why I think he's a better quarterback than definitely
Russell Wilson. I think he I think he has more
potential than Russell Wilson, and he's a better quarterback than
justin fields today.
Speaker 10 (49:44):
Yes, we don't question is his ability or his ability
question Joel?
Speaker 6 (49:51):
He can't finish?
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, but you put him.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Listen, I'm gonna say this to Dak's defense, there was
no defense and my baby boy, happy birthday to you, Micah.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
The defense they were some scrubs against green Ball.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
They got opened up.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
They were some scrubs.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
It was not I would not sit there and say
I'm putting that loss on on Dallas's offense in the
playoffs last season.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
It was actually down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
And by and by the time and by the time.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I'm talking hospital scrub and by.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
The time, you know, Dallas was starting to you know,
put up any points to get any momentum. I think
Jake Ferguson had a big game as well too. It
was already over because Green Bay had been running it
up on him for hours like it was over. So
I just I look at it. Go DA's got all
the leverage in the world hospital and as far as
leverage in that town. The cowboys got it all too,
(50:52):
Like Jerry Jones can do whatever the hell he wants.
They're going to run the show there
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