May 30, 2024 • 37 mins
Florida coach Billy Napier keeps his job but the writing is on the wall. Senior NFL Reporter, Albert Breer talks about the biggest headlines from the offseason. Plus, a preview of Game 5 between the Mavs and T’Wolves.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well far, I'm not sure if you've followed the Jaden
Vershoda Billy Napier.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Jadvershota is now with the Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I can't wait to hear your opinion on this. Well,
I want to hear yours first.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It was what was once a highly touted recruit that
was attempting to go to the University of Florida. However,
upon going there and kind of checking to see what
the what the nil deal looked like, there wasn't enough
funds in the bank account for what was supposedly agreed upon.
So that's where this whole issue starts. And there's now
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a lawsuit as Jane versha who was with Arizona State
last year is now transferred to Georgia for this year.
He's still got a bone to pick with Billy Napier
and the fact that he was not honoring whatever set
agreement was made. I'm gonna throw the sound first, Hill LeVar,
before I get your reaction. I am comforable with my actions,
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and I'm thankful for the university's support. We're going to
keep it at that and kind of let the process
take his course. So he can't say much more than that,
But one of the things that he did say after
that specific sound bite was how he's got.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The full support of the university.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Meaning that you know, they don't believe.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That he did anything wrong, they don't believe that he
overstepped any backs. However, this is bringing to light, LeVar,
what I would imagine happens everywhere across.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
The country more often than people realize.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
No, you're not.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's why I wanted to hear your opinion on it
first before I went you know what I mean, because
this is a very very slippery slope, Because I mean,
with the NIL situation the way it is, with the
way collectives have to work to be able to honor
these non exclusive, generally speaking contracts with the kids in
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terms of how they get paid and how they because ultimately,
and you tell me if I'm wrong, but the way
I understand it, the collectives are ultimately in place so
that they can pay the.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Student athlete because the school can't do it.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So they have to constantly be finding ways to keep
generating funding into the collectives because a lot of people don't.
Maybe they people don't take the time to think about it,
or once we started saying collectives that you thought the
only way that these kids were able to be funded
or their sport be funded and supported is through a collective.
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But a lot of the major donors, they've been giving
their money to the universities to go into the sport.
You know, they're funding the sport. And so whether that
be them having chartered jets to be able to get
to where they're going for their you know, their games
and whatever it may be, or the coaches being able
to go around and recruit whatever it is, that money's
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coming through school.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
So now the.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Whole idea of being able to pay the player, now
that that's coming to play and knowing that there are
bidding wars for some of these players that's out there.
The kid is a quarterback. I hear he's a fine quarterback.
He's got a strong body of work. And those are
the most sought after guys. And you can see that
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there are deals getting done. So to me, I feel
like this is this is a slippery slope because the
moment somebody feels like they've been done wrong, whether they're
not playing or one thing or another, they end up
having to hit the transfer portal. They're still going to detonate.
There's the possibility that they detonate like this. And if
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they're not at the collective, if the coaches and everybody
who's involved, the boosters, if people aren't protecting themselves Q,
this could be. This could become a movement like they
got me too, Like not me too, as in me too,
but they got me too, as in they promised me
this amount of money and I never got it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, And look, I don't feel for the student athletes
in this regard only because this has gone on for
a long time, whether it was over the table with
the world of Nil or under the table beforehand where
it was the handshakes, the back man, whatever, this has
gone on forever. So just add some context to Jane
Rishata and really his path.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
He was the number six.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Overall quarterback according to twenty four to seven sports composities,
a four star recruit who initially was going to go
to Florida was committed to Florida after this debacle with
whatever NIL deal fell through, he ends up finding his
way to Arizona State.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
He then transfers to Georgia. Looked at as a four star.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Transfer statistically didn't have the most outstanding year last year
for Arizona State, but nonetheless still has some potential in upside,
so we'll see what he could potentially develop into.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
It does shed.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Light on the greater issue that even with the settlement
between the NCAAA and House, the most recent case that
we saw that was settled, that will push forward the
rev share between student athletes and universities.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It doesn't answer the questions about collectives.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
And what role, if any, they will.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Play, and how we can find ways of putting together
more framework to make sure that the collectives are operating
in a capacity where they should you know, should have
to and would have to abide by and also one
that won't create an extreme unfair advantage.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Now in saying that, the truth of the matter is
is every.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Throughout college football history, the bigger schools, the blue bloods,
have always had an advantage, have they not.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yes, I mean even before nil.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You look at the facilities, if you look at you know,
the way the recruit in the campus, the stadium, everything else.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yes, you know, going to.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Penn State and then taking a visit an Acron look
very different. And I know I'm comparing Penn State and Acron,
but you know, throughout the history of time, the bigger programs,
the bigger schools, have always had an advantage.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
So for us to simply sit.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
There and say, well, we want to create a level
playing field, it's never been level. There's there's never been
a time in college football where it's been like, yeah,
everyone's operating under the saving I mean never, not with
the way we schedule, not with the amount of conference games,
not with you know, how you can recruit versus you know,
the academic standards at one school versus another.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's never It's never been that way.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So I'm not sure we're going to find a level
playing field in the world of collectives and NIL payments.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Even with the rev share which I think. Look, every
school may agree.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
To having X amount of dollars to spend it at
the school decides how much they want to spend it.
You know, how much wants to go to football, how
much was to go to baseball other sports.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You know what it led me to think is and
I'll pose the question to you because it is very
relevant for fans to be in their feelings and upset
that they have to be leaned on to support and
do these things for the collectives so that they can
pay the athletes. When you're generating the type of money
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that you are from the television deals. Get that, I
get that uncomfortable feeling, and I get that feeling like
you're being taken advantage of approach.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
I sympathize with it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So when this rev share comes through and you actually
start having creating a cap and all these schools, at
least the power schools have the same resources technically to
spend under this cap, do you think that that's enough
or does that now create Because I know they got
to sign contracts, so I'm not talking like the transfer
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portal or anything like that opting out. I'm saying, is
that is that enough? All things given come to this
school or come to this school, go to this school,
or go to that school. You're going to get paid
the same amount of money based upon what your performance is,
based upon what your ranking is.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Is that enough or do you still.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Have to have these these meetings and these conversations about
what else you're getting or who's getting a job or
whatever it may be.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Is this going to be enough?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, that's the quick answer is no. And the reason
why I said that is because that's why I hate
how we've structured things for athletic director but also for
the student athlete, because I think about an athletic director. Now,
let's just say you have this pool of money that's
coming from you that you now are supposed you're now
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able to pay student athletes.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But now you've got to decide how you an allocate
the funds.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Not only do you have coaches with every single program going,
what the heck.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
How's this going to work?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So maybe you know, maybe the vast majority of that's
going to go to football, men's wimen's basketball, since those
are the revenue generating sports, but you're gonna have all
these other Olympic sports that have success. I look at
men's lacrosse and better name. There's still gonna be a
need there, So there could be a world where collectives
are more, you know, more have a better capacity of
helping out the other sports that aren't getting as much
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funding from this house at versus the NCAA settlement. But
there's also another side of me that's saying, well, you're
asking these athletic directors to be general managers of all
these sports now, like they've got to decide then you know,
how they want to go about funding for all these
different sports. And then I guess it's no different than
how they've dealt with their budget in general. But now
it just comes down to a student athlete perspective and
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who's involved those negotiations is that the individual general manager
or person assigned to that sport, is that the athletic
director who's acting as the general manager overseeing it all.
And the organizational organizational structure of athletic departments has changed
a ton, but I think where collectives still exists, and
it would I'll be curious to see if this is
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what they'll be responsible for. It is the transfer portal
which you just hit on, because until there's more guard
rails put up around that until you put some sort
of limitation on student athletes and their ability to transfer
whenever they want, as many times as they want, I
shouldn't say whatever, there's two windows for football, there's one
for men women's basketball. But let's not forget if there's
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a coaching change, that window also opens up. You know,
there's other special circumstances where the window opens up and
it allows players to kind of go and leverage their
marketability and make more money. Then that's where I'm a
little concerned about the inducement retention on rosters becomes an
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issue with collectives trying to poach away players depending on
the circumstances, and the house NCAA settlement has nothing to
do with that. So this is a small step with
the settlement to getting players paid in the way that
will calm it down. But it's really it's only only
a piece of the big piece that was out there
that they always should have been a part of. There's
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still the element of collectives that you have private donors
funding a bunch of money that may be still able
to operate in a capacity that still creates a disadvantage
for a lot of the schools that don't have very
well organized, are all well funded in that case.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So that's kind of the concern I have with it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Don't you think they'll incorporate contracts though, like binding contracts
where it says, listen, if we're going to commit this
amount of money to you within the salary cap and
it's hitting seven figures, don't there has to be contracts
that are put in place, which would sure that's.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's from the school standpoint, but you're gonna get that
at the next school. You're going to like.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
If you're if you think that you can get out
of it and go into the transfer portal, or does
that contract protect you protect the school that's making that
investment in them as an employee with whatever it is
they're going to pay them.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So that's where you need to have a collective bargain agreement,
you have a union because the contracts have to be
standardized to a degree right with what they're getting. And
the problem too is when you have them signed to
a contract. I mean it's kind of like that now
with their scholarship. They sign these one year deals and
they're still able to get out of it if the
coach is fired or the coach moves on right, they're
still able to get out of it if there is
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a discrepancy or an issue and then go to the
transfer portal. So that's the problem with these contracts is
there's not going to be a binding contract that lasts,
you know, more than however many years, because they should
be standardized enough where they have to have the out
to allow that player to leave if there is a
coaching change.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
They could least the case.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
They're going to start leveraging the contracts that they have
in hand, and it's going to make it even more competitive,
and it's going to make it uglier because you're now
right now you're you're competing against It's like word of mouth, right,
this is what I'm getting here, Like you don't necessarily know,
the school doesn't necessarily know, but they can say, here's
the value that we can give you. If you got
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paper that says, look, I'm making eight million dollars over
here over.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
The next two three years, can you beat that that?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think that that's because now, I mean that's going
to fall into the hands of an agent. These agents
are basically in business at the college level. That's pretty
that sounds like it's It definitely has they are super ugly.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And you and I have talked about the fact that
a lot of the agents at the college level, they're
not certified.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
It could be you know, the best friend.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Joe's uncle, you know that that's now going to step in,
or a best friend to your point, or guys who
are have no experience with the contract. They're you know,
just kind of you know, swinging in to look at stuff.
And that's where you find some of these players falling
into the pitfalls of not having the proper representation.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So we'll see where the college football world goes.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But you know, as far as Billy Billy Napier goes
and the Jade Rashata situation, I think one of the
reasons why the university is backing him. Okay, and hopefully
this won't upset Gator fans.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
It's just the.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Reality of the schedule that you face next year. But
let's just be honest about one thing. Okay, if you
fired Billy Napier for whatever took place between Jade and
Rashatas or Crewman and the Collected and all that, you'd
one be admitting wrongdoing at some point, and maybe you
just put it on Billy Napier. But the problem is
then you'd try to be you have to fire him
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with cause to not owe him whatever's owned in his contract, right,
and I don't think they're gonna have to do that.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It's important because of their scheduled this year. Listen to
this gauntlet that Florida has to go through.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And so if there are some people who are like, man,
we need to move on from this guy. We don't
feel like what he did was right, but we're gonna
back it for now. This is the schedule they're gonna
have to go through this season, all right. They start
off with Miami, which, by the way, they should be
really good in the ACC. They've got cam Ward at quarterback,
a bunch of guys came back. They've done well too
in the transfer portal. Then they have to they have
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to play Texas and m Then they go to Starkville
versus Mississippi State. Then UCF, which will probably be one
of the better teams in the Big Twelve. Then they
have to go to Knoxville. Excuse me, yeah, Knoxville and
play Tennessee. Then Kentucky, who's ranked preseason. Then Georgia. We
now good they are, uh? Then they have to go
to Texas, then LSU, then Old Miss. They're finishing with
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Florida State. There's no way they are making it through
that thing. Dare I say, even with the winning record,
And so if they were looking for an out at
a reason to fire Pillanavier, I don't think they have
to do it now.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
They could just do it through this season right right, Well,
I don't know. It could go bad.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And if this kid wins this this you know, this lawsuit,
I would anticipate you better expect other people coming under fire.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Boosters, head coaches.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
A lot of promising out here being made, a lot
of posturing and if it actually comes the past that
somebody called them on it and it worked. So I
think now knowing that, and I know we got to
get the break, but knowing that these things were being
handled by the NCAA, how many of these situations do
you think the NCAAA was like, y'all handle it internally,
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squash it, punish yourself, pay us, keep it moving. And
now you can't do that because they're not the ones
that are. It's not their jurisdiction anymore. Now it has
to go to the courts. So now if the courts
are handling this and this becomes public public domain, this
could get really ugly.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, and obviously it's it's wide ranging as to you know,
which court is it happening, and is it happening in Florida?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Is happening in a different state?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
How that judge was the kid? It was Florida? And
what was it?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
There was another state that was in Tennessee or something
like that, I believe potentially.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So it's a crazy world we're living right now in
regards of college football and an IL. But I do
feel like we're taking baby steps, you know, baby steps
to some sort of world that seems a little less chaotic.
But we know this, when the games come this fall,
all this stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Goes to the wayside.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
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Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm not really the type that really wants to be
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to time.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
You know, Jonas is.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Office celebrating his birthday by probably watching his Cubs team
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Speaker 5 (18:26):
That's that's where he's at right.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Now, celebrating his birthday by not being able to wake
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how old do you have to be? How like how
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Speaker 5 (18:37):
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How old do you have to be until it's like
inappropriate to be celebrating your birthday anymore?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
So?
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I think I'm past that point.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Are you there now?
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Yeah? I mean I'm almost embarrassed when people tell me
say happy birthday to me. I don't really celebrate my
birthday at off.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Why I mean, at least like go get dinner or
something like that.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
I'll do that, but I mean I don't know, like
my opening presence, like it's Christmas type stuff. Okay, that
what Jonas is doing right now, that might be. Yeah,
I wouldn't surprise any of us, I know that.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
But Q's doing an excellent job abe anchor show.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I mean appreciate, been very smooth, very very enjoyable show.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, Hey, what what quick question I have for you?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
And we're going to talk about it, and we figured
you'd be the best to talk about it with the
NFL p A and how this whole moving that the
calendar around the off season to move OTA's and minicamp
in essence to write up before training camp, if I'm
not mistaken, was first what dropped by Ian Rapperport, which
is is probably an his information for the NFL side.
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I'm kind of just curious as to how this comes
to light because if I'm the NFL PA, I don't
know that I'd want this to get out there because
that's a bargaining chip, especially when we know the NFL
team games right.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Yeah, And you know I don't think it's a major
bargaining chip either, you know, I think sometimes Brady, the
players make the mistake of falling into traps the owner
set when you get into a negotiation like this, the
owners don't care when the off season program is you
know what I mean, they'll give that away. And you
know I think that, Yeah, that happened in the eleven
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CBA negotiation was, well, we want more time off in
the off season. You know, the owners are quietly saying
to each other, you mean, we get to shut the
lights off for another five weeks in the spring. Where
do I sign up for that?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
So you know I wouldn't if I were them, you know,
And you know I've covered enough of these things to
know if I were them, I would be asking for
a lot more than you know. Then, then more time
off in the off seasons. I know the owners will
willingly give us that. You know, I know that that's
a minor deal for them.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
If I'm from the players and you're talking about me
going to eighteen games and I think I've talked about
this with these guys in the past. I'd be asking
for easier ways to get free agency. You know, make
it so a guy can get free agency after three years.
Maybe make the franchise tags and the transition tags less restrictive,
you know, do things to give players greater earning power,
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because obviously, if you're going through eighteen games every year,
it's going to be more difficult to get it out
of to get out of each season healthy and in
a position where you have that earning power.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean, is there the idea that, with that earning
power being a part of everything Albert, that there's some
type of way that these franchises had And listen, I
know it's always skewed towards the owners and stuff like that,
but I mean, let's just think about it. Sometimes the
reason why trade can't take place or the value is
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what it is, is because another team isn't willing to
take on the value of the contract that's already been done.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Is there a way that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That can evolve where it gives them the opportunity to
the player to get on the open market and be
able to test that value versus versus it being like
say a Deshaun Watson contract and things didn't work out
in Cleveland, but you can't get rid of him. He
can't play his career out somewhere else because he's stuck
within the contract.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, I mean, I'm the key to all that, LeVar
is guaranteed money, you know. I mean, look, as long
as it's a good deal for the team, and the
team is gonna, you know, hold power over the player,
and you know, I'd argue that Sean Watson is in
a great situation because you know, he he might be
you know, and and he might have some issues now
that he doesn't have if if he had a more
(22:37):
standard contract where I believe this is his third year
in Cleveland, right, you know, so, or maybe the second year,
second year, so.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
He'd be going in his third year and it's.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Hard to tell Cleveland he's going into a third year.
So under a standard like contract, this would be probably
the last year of guaranteed money for him, you know
what I mean. Versus because his contract is guaranteed for
five years. I mean, does he have to worry about
his standing with the team in the league. Yeah, of
course he does, like every other player does. But he
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didn't have to worry about his money. He's been getting
his money one way or the other. So you know,
I think, you know, if you want to look and
spend this forward out, you know what the players should
be looking for.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
You know, there's no rule in.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Places can't guarantee contracts. There's no rule in place in
any sports league this says they have to guarantee contracts.
It's about any ways to get there, and the way
you get there is by getting more guys to free
agency earlier, in finding ways to get guys leverage and negotiations.
You know, it might be by loosening the restrictions on
franchise tag. I don't think you're ever going to get
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rid of the franchise tag, but can you can you
make it more difficult for teams to franchise tag players.
Those would be the things that I'd be looking for
if I were the NFLPA, because I know if I'm them,
this off season program stuff is just I mean, it's
almost like a fake marketing, you know what I mean.
The owners really don't The owners at the end of
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the day, really don't care about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
The fact that the players care is what I'm like.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
What I a chad for the players, guys, don't you
It's awful. I mean, I mean, here's the way I
look at you, guys. Correct me if I'm wrong here, okay,
But if I'm a player, I'm looking at especially if
you have like school age kids, right, Like, let's say
you have school age kids. Now you're going to camp
mid June, right, and you can say that stuff's optional
for the first month. The reality is, you guys know
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as well as I do. For eighty to ninety percent
of players, that stuff isn't optional. You have to stow up,
you know. So, so like if you're starting training camp,
if you're starting like OTA's in mid June, and then
you're going straight through, your summer break is gone. Your
time off now is when the kids are in school, right,
And on top of that, you're going to have to
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pay for your own training, you know. Like if you're
a player who just wants to go and get better
and get coached, right, like, well, where are you going
to do that now? From February to June? I mean, like,
correct me if I'm wrong, guys. So that's not cheap, right,
like to go and I don't know, and you guys, do,
but like I would think like getting four or five
months of position specific training, you know, to keep your
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skills where they need to be, Like that'd be another
expenditure that if you know there was an off season
program and in April and May and June that you
would have for free. Right, Yes, So like I don't
know where the benefit of the player is here, and
I and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
If people get paid to what's to that capacity? Like, right,
you get paid to be there. There are bone ups
that yeah, they're they're connected to your contract.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Right, So I just don't know what the benefit is.
I mean, is it I don't know, like nine weeks
of an off season program where you're showing up you know,
three or four days a week for you know, four
to six hours a day, like it's and then you
get and then you get your break and like the
in the summer, you know when if you have kids,
your kids are out of school. I mean, forget about
what this means for the coaches in the scouts, the
executive because horrible for them. But this just seems like
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a really bad idea all the way around, if you
if you apply like real life realities to it.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I hate the fact that you keep bringing up like
a faster path to free agency, because I just feel
like that's not that's not.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
What they should be bargaining for at this point, and.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm not hearing because the healthcare angle should be the
thing they should focus on the most.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that, that should be.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
The only thing.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Like if that was about talking about you talking about
like you talking about like post career care that sort
of thing.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, like lifetime healthcare for players after certain how many
credit seasons and that number has been a sliding scale,
and it will be in a negotiation. But you know,
when I was a part of a player in an
alternate like, one of the things that you would talk
about is taking care of the guys who paved the.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Path before you.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I get the sense that nowadays players don't feel that
as much, and maybe some of the older veterans veteran
guys do and they understand and any of my time's
coming to an end, hopefully we can set some things
in place, you know, for me.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
After the fact.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
But there's a lot of older veteran guys out there
who need that care, who need help, and there's some
resources out there, but it's not as good.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
As it could be.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So it's just it hurts to hear you say that
every time though, because if you're saying that, that means
you know something, and that means you know it's going
in that direction.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Well, I agree, I agree with what you're saying, Brady,
and I think so I think part of the problem
with that is the NFLPA is like interesting because it's
like you have the executive Committee, right, which is generally
made up of players who are older vets. Right, So
guys in year nine, year ten, you know, like cause
they are on their way out. But then like, because
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of the nature of football, the makeup of like the
membership of the NFLPA, like ninety percent of the guys
are what three years of service or less? Right, So
how are those guys thinking? I mean, most of those
guys are probably just thinking, let me get mine and
get out, you know what I mean, Like, because when
you're twenty two, twenty three, twenty four years old, you're
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not worried about like you're just not thinking about it,
like you know, okay, Like, well that fifty sixty seventy
year old guy that we can take care of now,
that's going to be me eventually, you know, you don't
think that way, and so I think it's a really
good point, you know what I mean. Like, and I
think that that's something that certainly, certainly and I, you know,
I should be more sensitive to that as somebody who
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covers the sport certainly should be something to the top
the list for the nflp.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
At Well, you're not sensitive to it, Albert, You're not.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I'm sorry. I feel very insensitive talking to two ex
players that way.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Real quick, I want to follow up on I'm just
got some newsy stuff. Officer report comes out. It looks
like maybe Minnesota would have potentially traded justin Jefferson get
inside the top five draft LA neighbors YadA, YadA, YadA.
At what point, Well, two questions, One, why does that
get out? And then two, at what point does Jefferson.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Get a deal deal done in Minnesota?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Well, the first time of it, I don't think it
was ever realistic. In fact, like talking to teams in
the top ten, you know, over the last week and
a half leading up to the draft, four or five, six,
like those teams weren't hearing from Minnesota anymore. Because I
think Minnesota sort of had determined that New England was
going to stick at three and take Drake May, and
you know, like just globally, like just with the way
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the market, you know, it's kind of shaking out. I mean,
I've heard the market for those picks like outside of
the top three collapse once it became clear that Drake
May was going to go third overall. So you know, like,
I don't know how close this was ever to happening. Now,
you know, could you whisper about it to try to
create some leverage, maybe, but you know, I don't think
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that was ever close to happening. I do think, you know,
for all the the k rattling that eventually a deal
gets done because it has to get done. You're not
going to find a better a better asset for your
young quarterback and JJ mccarraphy than going in and making
sure that Justin Jefferson is somebody he can grow with.
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And that's part of the advantage of having you know,
Kirk Cousins off the book and folks and having a
quarterback on a rookie contract. So is it going to hurt?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Is it going to cost you know, over one hundred
million dollars guaranteed and over one hundred million dollars over
the first three years. I think it will, yes, But
is it going to be worth it? I would say
as an investment in near young quarterback and as a
lever that you can pull to take advantage of having
a quarterback on a rookie contract, I have one that
could happen. So might this like kind of drag out
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into the summer of the way Nick Bosa did last summer?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Is this as complicated as Nick Bosa last summer?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Do I think it gets done like Nick Bosa did?
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I do?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And then on the topic of wide receivers Jamar Chase
to Higgins, no shows that OTA is not that big
of a deal. But if they don't make it a
mini camp, that's a little different. How do you see
that situation saring itself out?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Yeah? I think the likelihood is, you know, within a
year or so, Jamar Chase has a new contract and
t Higgins is somewhere else. That'd be my guess. Now,
you know, like, how you know agree, does this get
I think it'll be fine because I think you got
Joe Burrow a quarterback. Joe Burrow's got a good rapport
with those guys. And I do think that ultimately, because
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the Bengals showed they would do it last year with
Burrow after three years, that they will move somewhat aggressively
with Chase. And it wouldn't surprise me at Chase, by
the way, guys is waiting on Jefferson because he knows
Jefferson's going to change the market, and he knows that
once that, once Jefferson's deal gets done, the floor is
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set for his deal. So you know, my feeling is
the Higgins thing is just going to kind of be
a slow burn, and I don't know the Bengals feel like,
you know, they'll be able to sign everybody, and so
my guest would be Higgins probably comes in right before
the season, maybe they give a little sweetener to come in,
he plays the seat and out and then he goes
to free agency in twenty twenty five, whereas I think
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Chase probably winds up getting a deal done and maybe
getting a deal done by the end of the summer.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Great stuff is always Albert, and I got to admit
to the past couple of weeks some clean phone calls
from you.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
I mean, no, the fan I actually did for my
basement tonight so or today so uh so, maybe we
need to maybe we need need to make that a
more regular thing.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
I don't know. I kind of like the old way.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I kind of like the construction background, the dog's barking.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Well miss, yeah, I do like to keep you guys
on your toes. I think I think it improves the
quality of the show. You know. But if you guys
want to clean a phone call, I can come down
to the basement every week, will you.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
We just like the drops of your family that we
could then come back and play from time to time.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Well, that's no time. I don't I don't know if
I'll ever be able to recreate the bluetooth in my
car picking up my wife yelling at my kids. That
was that was that was That was a special special moment.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
It was awesome. It was awesome. Well, thank you for
the time. I was always great stuff as always.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
That's nice, all right, Oh thanks, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Petros has taken over the next hours, so we'll have
some fun with that. That's Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
and lead content straddles strateg just for the Monday morning quarterback.
We got to take a break but coming up next
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A three and train x four for four from.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Long range for Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
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Speaker 5 (35:02):
By the Dallas Mavericks. And LaVar just ask you this.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You and I were both kind of bullish on Dallas
taking care of business in tonight's game. This thing not
going to game six. Jonas felt the opposite. He thought,
for sure, now the timberwlvesill at least get another one back.
How do you see tonight playing out?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I think it comes down to your player of the
week and what Carl Anthony Towns brings to the table. Obviously,
for the Minnesota their their big guns have to play well.
Go Bear has to play well on defense and really
really make it uncomfortable for Luca and for Kyrie. Don't
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don't allow Kyrie to find a rhythm. If he finds
a rhythm, it's a rat. But on on the wolf
side of it, are you going to live and die
by Carl Anthony town staying out in the perimeter and
hoping that he makes shots the same way that he
did the last game? Or are you going to actually
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put him in a position where he stresses the defense
out by his presence being somewhat in the mid range
and the paint and you know.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
The low post era area of the court.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So if you're asking me Q, I don't have confidence,
I'd say, if you want to have within the game
fun fun deal, count how many times Big Kat goes
down low and post up to begin the offensive series.
Count how many times he goes to the free throw line,
starts at the free throw line, or starts down low
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during the course of this game. If he scores over
twenty twenty five, twenty five range or more. Knowing what
Anthony Edwards is going to do, I say they win
this game. If Karl Anthony Towns doesn't BUCH twenty. They're
going home tonight.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
You didn't even mention Anthony Edwards. But here's where I
think this game comes down to. I don't know that
Karl Anthony Towns will shoot as well as he did
and from the perimeter as last game. And I also
think Dallas want to shoot us poorly from the perimeter
as they get in the last game, with the exclusion
of maybe a couple of the bench players who came
off and played well.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
So I think that difference will ultimately.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
End up being the difference in the game.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But I think Dallas takes care of business tonight and
moves on to the NBA Finals and to face the
Boston Celtics. But you know, we'll have to see how
this thing plays out. I can't say that I'm rooting
for that outcome necessarily because I love watching Anthony Edwards
play and if he's eliminated, it's not a part of it.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So just remember number one overall pick in fifteen, first
overall pick, first round.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Karl Anthony town has the ball. Yes he does.
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well far, I'm not sure if you've followed the Jaden
Vershoda Billy Napier.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Jadvershota is now with the Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I can't wait to hear your opinion on this. Well,
I want to hear yours first.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It was what was once a highly touted recruit that
was attempting to go to the University of Florida. However,
upon going there and kind of checking to see what
the what the nil deal looked like, there wasn't enough
funds in the bank account for what was supposedly agreed upon.
So that's where this whole issue starts. And there's now
(01:13):
a lawsuit as Jane versha who was with Arizona State
last year is now transferred to Georgia for this year.
He's still got a bone to pick with Billy Napier
and the fact that he was not honoring whatever set
agreement was made. I'm gonna throw the sound first, Hill LeVar,
before I get your reaction. I am comforable with my actions,
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and I'm thankful for the university's support. We're going to
keep it at that and kind of let the process
take his course. So he can't say much more than that,
But one of the things that he did say after
that specific sound bite was how he's got.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The full support of the university.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Meaning that you know, they don't believe.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That he did anything wrong, they don't believe that he
overstepped any backs. However, this is bringing to light, LeVar,
what I would imagine happens everywhere across.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
The country more often than people realize.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
No, you're not.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's why I wanted to hear your opinion on it
first before I went you know what I mean, because
this is a very very slippery slope, Because I mean,
with the NIL situation the way it is, with the
way collectives have to work to be able to honor
these non exclusive, generally speaking contracts with the kids in
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terms of how they get paid and how they because ultimately,
and you tell me if I'm wrong, but the way
I understand it, the collectives are ultimately in place so
that they can pay the.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Student athlete because the school can't do it.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So they have to constantly be finding ways to keep
generating funding into the collectives because a lot of people don't.
Maybe they people don't take the time to think about it,
or once we started saying collectives that you thought the
only way that these kids were able to be funded
or their sport be funded and supported is through a collective.
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But a lot of the major donors, they've been giving
their money to the universities to go into the sport.
You know, they're funding the sport. And so whether that
be them having chartered jets to be able to get
to where they're going for their you know, their games
and whatever it may be, or the coaches being able
to go around and recruit whatever it is, that money's
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coming through school.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
So now the.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Whole idea of being able to pay the player, now
that that's coming to play and knowing that there are
bidding wars for some of these players that's out there.
The kid is a quarterback. I hear he's a fine quarterback.
He's got a strong body of work. And those are
the most sought after guys. And you can see that
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there are deals getting done. So to me, I feel
like this is this is a slippery slope because the
moment somebody feels like they've been done wrong, whether they're
not playing or one thing or another, they end up
having to hit the transfer portal. They're still going to detonate.
There's the possibility that they detonate like this. And if
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they're not at the collective, if the coaches and everybody
who's involved, the boosters, if people aren't protecting themselves Q,
this could be. This could become a movement like they
got me too, Like not me too, as in me too,
but they got me too, as in they promised me
this amount of money and I never got it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, And look, I don't feel for the student athletes
in this regard only because this has gone on for
a long time, whether it was over the table with
the world of Nil or under the table beforehand where
it was the handshakes, the back man, whatever, this has
gone on forever. So just add some context to Jane
Rishata and really his path.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
He was the number six.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Overall quarterback according to twenty four to seven sports composities,
a four star recruit who initially was going to go
to Florida was committed to Florida after this debacle with
whatever NIL deal fell through, he ends up finding his
way to Arizona State.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
He then transfers to Georgia. Looked at as a four star.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Transfer statistically didn't have the most outstanding year last year
for Arizona State, but nonetheless still has some potential in upside,
so we'll see what he could potentially develop into.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
It does shed.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Light on the greater issue that even with the settlement
between the NCAAA and House, the most recent case that
we saw that was settled, that will push forward the
rev share between student athletes and universities.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It doesn't answer the questions about collectives.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
And what role, if any, they will.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Play, and how we can find ways of putting together
more framework to make sure that the collectives are operating
in a capacity where they should you know, should have
to and would have to abide by and also one
that won't create an extreme unfair advantage.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Now in saying that, the truth of the matter is
is every.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Throughout college football history, the bigger schools, the blue bloods,
have always had an advantage, have they not.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yes, I mean even before nil.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You look at the facilities, if you look at you know,
the way the recruit in the campus, the stadium, everything else.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yes, you know, going to.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Penn State and then taking a visit an Acron look
very different. And I know I'm comparing Penn State and Acron,
but you know, throughout the history of time, the bigger programs,
the bigger schools, have always had an advantage.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
So for us to simply sit.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
There and say, well, we want to create a level
playing field, it's never been level. There's there's never been
a time in college football where it's been like, yeah,
everyone's operating under the saving I mean never, not with
the way we schedule, not with the amount of conference games,
not with you know, how you can recruit versus you know,
the academic standards at one school versus another.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's never It's never been that way.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So I'm not sure we're going to find a level
playing field in the world of collectives and NIL payments.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Even with the rev share which I think. Look, every
school may agree.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
To having X amount of dollars to spend it at
the school decides how much they want to spend it.
You know, how much wants to go to football, how
much was to go to baseball other sports.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You know what it led me to think is and
I'll pose the question to you because it is very
relevant for fans to be in their feelings and upset
that they have to be leaned on to support and
do these things for the collectives so that they can
pay the athletes. When you're generating the type of money
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that you are from the television deals. Get that, I
get that uncomfortable feeling, and I get that feeling like
you're being taken advantage of approach.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
I sympathize with it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So when this rev share comes through and you actually
start having creating a cap and all these schools, at
least the power schools have the same resources technically to
spend under this cap, do you think that that's enough
or does that now create Because I know they got
to sign contracts, so I'm not talking like the transfer
(08:19):
portal or anything like that opting out. I'm saying, is
that is that enough? All things given come to this
school or come to this school, go to this school,
or go to that school. You're going to get paid
the same amount of money based upon what your performance is,
based upon what your ranking is.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Is that enough or do you still.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Have to have these these meetings and these conversations about
what else you're getting or who's getting a job or
whatever it may be.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Is this going to be enough?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, that's the quick answer is no. And the reason
why I said that is because that's why I hate
how we've structured things for athletic director but also for
the student athlete, because I think about an athletic director. Now,
let's just say you have this pool of money that's
coming from you that you now are supposed you're now
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able to pay student athletes.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But now you've got to decide how you an allocate
the funds.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Not only do you have coaches with every single program going,
what the heck.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
How's this going to work?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So maybe you know, maybe the vast majority of that's
going to go to football, men's wimen's basketball, since those
are the revenue generating sports, but you're gonna have all
these other Olympic sports that have success. I look at
men's lacrosse and better name. There's still gonna be a
need there, So there could be a world where collectives
are more, you know, more have a better capacity of
helping out the other sports that aren't getting as much
(09:42):
funding from this house at versus the NCAA settlement. But
there's also another side of me that's saying, well, you're
asking these athletic directors to be general managers of all
these sports now, like they've got to decide then you know,
how they want to go about funding for all these
different sports. And then I guess it's no different than
how they've dealt with their budget in general. But now
it just comes down to a student athlete perspective and
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who's involved those negotiations is that the individual general manager
or person assigned to that sport, is that the athletic
director who's acting as the general manager overseeing it all.
And the organizational organizational structure of athletic departments has changed
a ton, but I think where collectives still exists, and
it would I'll be curious to see if this is
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what they'll be responsible for. It is the transfer portal
which you just hit on, because until there's more guard
rails put up around that until you put some sort
of limitation on student athletes and their ability to transfer
whenever they want, as many times as they want, I
shouldn't say whatever, there's two windows for football, there's one
for men women's basketball. But let's not forget if there's
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a coaching change, that window also opens up. You know,
there's other special circumstances where the window opens up and
it allows players to kind of go and leverage their
marketability and make more money. Then that's where I'm a
little concerned about the inducement retention on rosters becomes an
(11:08):
issue with collectives trying to poach away players depending on
the circumstances, and the house NCAA settlement has nothing to
do with that. So this is a small step with
the settlement to getting players paid in the way that
will calm it down. But it's really it's only only
a piece of the big piece that was out there
that they always should have been a part of. There's
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still the element of collectives that you have private donors
funding a bunch of money that may be still able
to operate in a capacity that still creates a disadvantage
for a lot of the schools that don't have very
well organized, are all well funded in that case.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So that's kind of the concern I have with it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Don't you think they'll incorporate contracts though, like binding contracts
where it says, listen, if we're going to commit this
amount of money to you within the salary cap and
it's hitting seven figures, don't there has to be contracts
that are put in place, which would sure that's.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's from the school standpoint, but you're gonna get that
at the next school. You're going to like.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
If you're if you think that you can get out
of it and go into the transfer portal, or does
that contract protect you protect the school that's making that
investment in them as an employee with whatever it is
they're going to pay them.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So that's where you need to have a collective bargain agreement,
you have a union because the contracts have to be
standardized to a degree right with what they're getting. And
the problem too is when you have them signed to
a contract. I mean it's kind of like that now
with their scholarship. They sign these one year deals and
they're still able to get out of it if the
coach is fired or the coach moves on right, they're
still able to get out of it if there is
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a discrepancy or an issue and then go to the
transfer portal. So that's the problem with these contracts is
there's not going to be a binding contract that lasts,
you know, more than however many years, because they should
be standardized enough where they have to have the out
to allow that player to leave if there is a
coaching change.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
They could least the case.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
They're going to start leveraging the contracts that they have
in hand, and it's going to make it even more competitive,
and it's going to make it uglier because you're now
right now you're you're competing against It's like word of mouth, right,
this is what I'm getting here, Like you don't necessarily know,
the school doesn't necessarily know, but they can say, here's
the value that we can give you. If you got
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paper that says, look, I'm making eight million dollars over
here over.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
The next two three years, can you beat that that?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think that that's because now, I mean that's going
to fall into the hands of an agent. These agents
are basically in business at the college level. That's pretty
that sounds like it's It definitely has they are super ugly.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And you and I have talked about the fact that
a lot of the agents at the college level, they're
not certified.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
It could be you know, the best friend.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Joe's uncle, you know that that's now going to step in,
or a best friend to your point, or guys who
are have no experience with the contract. They're you know,
just kind of you know, swinging in to look at stuff.
And that's where you find some of these players falling
into the pitfalls of not having the proper representation.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So we'll see where the college football world goes.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But you know, as far as Billy Billy Napier goes
and the Jade Rashata situation, I think one of the
reasons why the university is backing him. Okay, and hopefully
this won't upset Gator fans.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
It's just the.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Reality of the schedule that you face next year. But
let's just be honest about one thing. Okay, if you
fired Billy Napier for whatever took place between Jade and
Rashatas or Crewman and the Collected and all that, you'd
one be admitting wrongdoing at some point, and maybe you
just put it on Billy Napier. But the problem is
then you'd try to be you have to fire him
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with cause to not owe him whatever's owned in his contract, right,
and I don't think they're gonna have to do that.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It's important because of their scheduled this year. Listen to
this gauntlet that Florida has to go through.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And so if there are some people who are like, man,
we need to move on from this guy. We don't
feel like what he did was right, but we're gonna
back it for now. This is the schedule they're gonna
have to go through this season, all right. They start
off with Miami, which, by the way, they should be
really good in the ACC. They've got cam Ward at quarterback,
a bunch of guys came back. They've done well too
in the transfer portal. Then they have to they have
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to play Texas and m Then they go to Starkville
versus Mississippi State. Then UCF, which will probably be one
of the better teams in the Big Twelve. Then they
have to go to Knoxville. Excuse me, yeah, Knoxville and
play Tennessee. Then Kentucky, who's ranked preseason. Then Georgia. We
now good they are, uh? Then they have to go
to Texas, then LSU, then Old Miss. They're finishing with
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Florida State. There's no way they are making it through
that thing. Dare I say, even with the winning record,
And so if they were looking for an out at
a reason to fire Pillanavier, I don't think they have
to do it now.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
They could just do it through this season right right, Well,
I don't know. It could go bad.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And if this kid wins this this you know, this lawsuit,
I would anticipate you better expect other people coming under fire.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Boosters, head coaches.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
A lot of promising out here being made, a lot
of posturing and if it actually comes the past that
somebody called them on it and it worked. So I
think now knowing that, and I know we got to
get the break, but knowing that these things were being
handled by the NCAA, how many of these situations do
you think the NCAAA was like, y'all handle it internally,
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squash it, punish yourself, pay us, keep it moving. And
now you can't do that because they're not the ones
that are. It's not their jurisdiction anymore. Now it has
to go to the courts. So now if the courts
are handling this and this becomes public public domain, this
could get really ugly.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, and obviously it's it's wide ranging as to you know,
which court is it happening, and is it happening in Florida?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Is happening in a different state?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
How that judge was the kid? It was Florida? And
what was it?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
There was another state that was in Tennessee or something
like that, I believe potentially.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So it's a crazy world we're living right now in
regards of college football and an IL. But I do
feel like we're taking baby steps, you know, baby steps
to some sort of world that seems a little less chaotic.
But we know this, when the games come this fall,
all this stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Goes to the wayside.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
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You know, Jonas is.
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Office celebrating his birthday by probably watching his Cubs team
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That's that's where he's at right.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Now, celebrating his birthday by not being able to wake
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How old do you have to be until it's like
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So?
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I think I'm past that point.
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Are you there now?
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birthday at off.
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Why I mean, at least like go get dinner or
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Speaker 6 (18:56):
I'll do that, but I mean I don't know, like
my opening presence, like it's Christmas type stuff. Okay, that
what Jonas is doing right now, that might be. Yeah,
I wouldn't surprise any of us, I know that.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
But Q's doing an excellent job abe anchor show.
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I mean appreciate, been very smooth, very very enjoyable show.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, Hey, what what quick question I have for you?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
And we're going to talk about it, and we figured
you'd be the best to talk about it with the
NFL p A and how this whole moving that the
calendar around the off season to move OTA's and minicamp
in essence to write up before training camp, if I'm
not mistaken, was first what dropped by Ian Rapperport, which
is is probably an his information for the NFL side.
(19:43):
I'm kind of just curious as to how this comes
to light because if I'm the NFL PA, I don't
know that I'd want this to get out there because
that's a bargaining chip, especially when we know the NFL
team games right.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Yeah, And you know I don't think it's a major
bargaining chip either, you know, I think sometimes Brady, the
players make the mistake of falling into traps the owner
set when you get into a negotiation like this, the
owners don't care when the off season program is you
know what I mean, they'll give that away. And you
know I think that, Yeah, that happened in the eleven
(20:17):
CBA negotiation was, well, we want more time off in
the off season. You know, the owners are quietly saying
to each other, you mean, we get to shut the
lights off for another five weeks in the spring. Where
do I sign up for that?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
So you know I wouldn't if I were them, you know,
And you know I've covered enough of these things to
know if I were them, I would be asking for
a lot more than you know. Then, then more time
off in the off seasons. I know the owners will
willingly give us that. You know, I know that that's
a minor deal for them.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
If I'm from the players and you're talking about me
going to eighteen games and I think I've talked about
this with these guys in the past. I'd be asking
for easier ways to get free agency. You know, make
it so a guy can get free agency after three years.
Maybe make the franchise tags and the transition tags less restrictive,
you know, do things to give players greater earning power,
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because obviously, if you're going through eighteen games every year,
it's going to be more difficult to get it out
of to get out of each season healthy and in
a position where you have that earning power.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean, is there the idea that, with that earning
power being a part of everything Albert, that there's some
type of way that these franchises had And listen, I
know it's always skewed towards the owners and stuff like that,
but I mean, let's just think about it. Sometimes the
reason why trade can't take place or the value is
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what it is, is because another team isn't willing to
take on the value of the contract that's already been done.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Is there a way that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That can evolve where it gives them the opportunity to
the player to get on the open market and be
able to test that value versus versus it being like
say a Deshaun Watson contract and things didn't work out
in Cleveland, but you can't get rid of him. He
can't play his career out somewhere else because he's stuck
within the contract.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, I mean, I'm the key to all that, LeVar
is guaranteed money, you know. I mean, look, as long
as it's a good deal for the team, and the
team is gonna, you know, hold power over the player,
and you know, I'd argue that Sean Watson is in
a great situation because you know, he he might be
you know, and and he might have some issues now
that he doesn't have if if he had a more
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standard contract where I believe this is his third year
in Cleveland, right, you know, so, or maybe the second year,
second year, so.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
He'd be going in his third year and it's.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Hard to tell Cleveland he's going into a third year.
So under a standard like contract, this would be probably
the last year of guaranteed money for him, you know
what I mean. Versus because his contract is guaranteed for
five years. I mean, does he have to worry about
his standing with the team in the league. Yeah, of
course he does, like every other player does. But he
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didn't have to worry about his money. He's been getting
his money one way or the other. So you know,
I think, you know, if you want to look and
spend this forward out, you know what the players should
be looking for.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
You know, there's no rule in.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Places can't guarantee contracts. There's no rule in place in
any sports league this says they have to guarantee contracts.
It's about any ways to get there, and the way
you get there is by getting more guys to free
agency earlier, in finding ways to get guys leverage and negotiations.
You know, it might be by loosening the restrictions on
franchise tag. I don't think you're ever going to get
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rid of the franchise tag, but can you can you
make it more difficult for teams to franchise tag players.
Those would be the things that I'd be looking for
if I were the NFLPA, because I know if I'm them,
this off season program stuff is just I mean, it's
almost like a fake marketing, you know what I mean.
The owners really don't The owners at the end of
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the day, really don't care about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
The fact that the players care is what I'm like.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
What I a chad for the players, guys, don't you
It's awful. I mean, I mean, here's the way I
look at you, guys. Correct me if I'm wrong here, okay,
But if I'm a player, I'm looking at especially if
you have like school age kids, right, Like, let's say
you have school age kids. Now you're going to camp
mid June, right, and you can say that stuff's optional
for the first month. The reality is, you guys know
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as well as I do. For eighty to ninety percent
of players, that stuff isn't optional. You have to stow up,
you know. So, so like if you're starting training camp,
if you're starting like OTA's in mid June, and then
you're going straight through, your summer break is gone. Your
time off now is when the kids are in school, right,
And on top of that, you're going to have to
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pay for your own training, you know. Like if you're
a player who just wants to go and get better
and get coached, right, like, well, where are you going
to do that now? From February to June? I mean, like,
correct me if I'm wrong, guys. So that's not cheap, right,
like to go and I don't know, and you guys, do,
but like I would think like getting four or five
months of position specific training, you know, to keep your
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skills where they need to be, Like that'd be another
expenditure that if you know there was an off season
program and in April and May and June that you
would have for free. Right, Yes, So like I don't
know where the benefit of the player is here, and
I and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
If people get paid to what's to that capacity? Like, right,
you get paid to be there. There are bone ups
that yeah, they're they're connected to your contract.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Right, So I just don't know what the benefit is.
I mean, is it I don't know, like nine weeks
of an off season program where you're showing up you know,
three or four days a week for you know, four
to six hours a day, like it's and then you
get and then you get your break and like the
in the summer, you know when if you have kids,
your kids are out of school. I mean, forget about
what this means for the coaches in the scouts, the
executive because horrible for them. But this just seems like
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a really bad idea all the way around, if you
if you apply like real life realities to it.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I hate the fact that you keep bringing up like
a faster path to free agency, because I just feel
like that's not that's not.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
What they should be bargaining for at this point, and.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm not hearing because the healthcare angle should be the
thing they should focus on the most.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that, that should be.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
The only thing.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Like if that was about talking about you talking about
like you talking about like post career care that sort
of thing.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, like lifetime healthcare for players after certain how many
credit seasons and that number has been a sliding scale,
and it will be in a negotiation. But you know,
when I was a part of a player in an
alternate like, one of the things that you would talk
about is taking care of the guys who paved the.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Path before you.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I get the sense that nowadays players don't feel that
as much, and maybe some of the older veterans veteran
guys do and they understand and any of my time's
coming to an end, hopefully we can set some things
in place, you know, for me.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
After the fact.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
But there's a lot of older veteran guys out there
who need that care, who need help, and there's some
resources out there, but it's not as good.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
As it could be.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So it's just it hurts to hear you say that
every time though, because if you're saying that, that means
you know something, and that means you know it's going
in that direction.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Well, I agree, I agree with what you're saying, Brady,
and I think so I think part of the problem
with that is the NFLPA is like interesting because it's
like you have the executive Committee, right, which is generally
made up of players who are older vets. Right, So
guys in year nine, year ten, you know, like cause
they are on their way out. But then like, because
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of the nature of football, the makeup of like the
membership of the NFLPA, like ninety percent of the guys
are what three years of service or less? Right, So
how are those guys thinking? I mean, most of those
guys are probably just thinking, let me get mine and
get out, you know what I mean, Like, because when
you're twenty two, twenty three, twenty four years old, you're
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not worried about like you're just not thinking about it,
like you know, okay, Like, well that fifty sixty seventy
year old guy that we can take care of now,
that's going to be me eventually, you know, you don't
think that way, and so I think it's a really
good point, you know what I mean. Like, and I
think that that's something that certainly, certainly and I, you know,
I should be more sensitive to that as somebody who
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covers the sport certainly should be something to the top
the list for the nflp.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
At Well, you're not sensitive to it, Albert, You're not.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I'm sorry. I feel very insensitive talking to two ex
players that way.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Real quick, I want to follow up on I'm just
got some newsy stuff. Officer report comes out. It looks
like maybe Minnesota would have potentially traded justin Jefferson get
inside the top five draft LA neighbors YadA, YadA, YadA.
At what point, Well, two questions, One, why does that
get out? And then two, at what point does Jefferson.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Get a deal deal done in Minnesota?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Well, the first time of it, I don't think it
was ever realistic. In fact, like talking to teams in
the top ten, you know, over the last week and
a half leading up to the draft, four or five, six,
like those teams weren't hearing from Minnesota anymore. Because I
think Minnesota sort of had determined that New England was
going to stick at three and take Drake May, and
you know, like just globally, like just with the way
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the market, you know, it's kind of shaking out. I mean,
I've heard the market for those picks like outside of
the top three collapse once it became clear that Drake
May was going to go third overall. So you know, like,
I don't know how close this was ever to happening. Now,
you know, could you whisper about it to try to
create some leverage, maybe, but you know, I don't think
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that was ever close to happening. I do think, you know,
for all the the k rattling that eventually a deal
gets done because it has to get done. You're not
going to find a better a better asset for your
young quarterback and JJ mccarraphy than going in and making
sure that Justin Jefferson is somebody he can grow with.
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And that's part of the advantage of having you know,
Kirk Cousins off the book and folks and having a
quarterback on a rookie contract. So is it going to hurt?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Is it going to cost you know, over one hundred
million dollars guaranteed and over one hundred million dollars over
the first three years. I think it will, yes, But
is it going to be worth it? I would say
as an investment in near young quarterback and as a
lever that you can pull to take advantage of having
a quarterback on a rookie contract, I have one that
could happen. So might this like kind of drag out
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into the summer of the way Nick Bosa did last summer?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Is this as complicated as Nick Bosa last summer?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Do I think it gets done like Nick Bosa did?
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I do?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And then on the topic of wide receivers Jamar Chase
to Higgins, no shows that OTA is not that big
of a deal. But if they don't make it a
mini camp, that's a little different. How do you see
that situation saring itself out?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Yeah? I think the likelihood is, you know, within a
year or so, Jamar Chase has a new contract and
t Higgins is somewhere else. That'd be my guess. Now,
you know, like, how you know agree, does this get
I think it'll be fine because I think you got
Joe Burrow a quarterback. Joe Burrow's got a good rapport
with those guys. And I do think that ultimately, because
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the Bengals showed they would do it last year with
Burrow after three years, that they will move somewhat aggressively
with Chase. And it wouldn't surprise me at Chase, by
the way, guys is waiting on Jefferson because he knows
Jefferson's going to change the market, and he knows that
once that, once Jefferson's deal gets done, the floor is
(31:41):
set for his deal. So you know, my feeling is
the Higgins thing is just going to kind of be
a slow burn, and I don't know the Bengals feel like,
you know, they'll be able to sign everybody, and so
my guest would be Higgins probably comes in right before
the season, maybe they give a little sweetener to come in,
he plays the seat and out and then he goes
to free agency in twenty twenty five, whereas I think
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Chase probably winds up getting a deal done and maybe
getting a deal done by the end of the summer.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Great stuff is always Albert, and I got to admit
to the past couple of weeks some clean phone calls
from you.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
I mean, no, the fan I actually did for my
basement tonight so or today so uh so, maybe we
need to maybe we need need to make that a
more regular thing.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
I don't know. I kind of like the old way.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I kind of like the construction background, the dog's barking.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Well miss, yeah, I do like to keep you guys
on your toes. I think I think it improves the
quality of the show. You know. But if you guys
want to clean a phone call, I can come down
to the basement every week, will you.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
We just like the drops of your family that we
could then come back and play from time to time.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Well, that's no time. I don't I don't know if
I'll ever be able to recreate the bluetooth in my
car picking up my wife yelling at my kids. That
was that was that was That was a special special moment.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
It was awesome. It was awesome. Well, thank you for
the time. I was always great stuff as always.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
That's nice, all right, Oh thanks, yeah, thanks.
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Petros has taken over the next hours, so we'll have
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Long range for Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
With the Wolves lay by six with two forty eight
left to play.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's where I congrats to Karl Anthony Towns for being
our Express pros Pro of the week. That sound brought
to you courteous, brought to you by Curious of the
Timberwolves Radio Network, So congrats to him. And obviously a
big game tonight. As the Timberwolves now down three one,
try not to get eliminated.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
By the Dallas Mavericks. And LaVar just ask you this.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You and I were both kind of bullish on Dallas
taking care of business in tonight's game. This thing not
going to game six. Jonas felt the opposite. He thought,
for sure, now the timberwlvesill at least get another one back.
How do you see tonight playing out?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I think it comes down to your player of the
week and what Carl Anthony Towns brings to the table. Obviously,
for the Minnesota their their big guns have to play well.
Go Bear has to play well on defense and really
really make it uncomfortable for Luca and for Kyrie. Don't
(35:38):
don't allow Kyrie to find a rhythm. If he finds
a rhythm, it's a rat. But on on the wolf
side of it, are you going to live and die
by Carl Anthony town staying out in the perimeter and
hoping that he makes shots the same way that he
did the last game? Or are you going to actually
(35:59):
put him in a position where he stresses the defense
out by his presence being somewhat in the mid range
and the paint and you know.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
The low post era area of the court.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So if you're asking me Q, I don't have confidence,
I'd say, if you want to have within the game
fun fun deal, count how many times Big Kat goes
down low and post up to begin the offensive series.
Count how many times he goes to the free throw line,
starts at the free throw line, or starts down low
(36:30):
during the course of this game. If he scores over
twenty twenty five, twenty five range or more. Knowing what
Anthony Edwards is going to do, I say they win
this game. If Karl Anthony Towns doesn't BUCH twenty. They're
going home tonight.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
You didn't even mention Anthony Edwards. But here's where I
think this game comes down to. I don't know that
Karl Anthony Towns will shoot as well as he did
and from the perimeter as last game. And I also
think Dallas want to shoot us poorly from the perimeter
as they get in the last game, with the exclusion
of maybe a couple of the bench players who came
off and played well.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
So I think that difference will ultimately.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
End up being the difference in the game.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But I think Dallas takes care of business tonight and
moves on to the NBA Finals and to face the
Boston Celtics. But you know, we'll have to see how
this thing plays out. I can't say that I'm rooting
for that outcome necessarily because I love watching Anthony Edwards
play and if he's eliminated, it's not a part of it.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So just remember number one overall pick in fifteen, first
overall pick, first round.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Karl Anthony town has the ball. Yes he does.
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