June 4, 2024 • 37 mins
Nick Saban and Urban Meyer headline the newest nominees eligible for the College Football Hall of Fame. The timing of inducting Tom Brady into the Patriots Hall of Fame is curious. Plus, another version of “Would You Rather…?”
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buying should be well. It was announced yesterday the nominees
for the twenty twenty five College Football Hall of Fame
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class and a star studded group.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Wow so much so there was a.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
List of guys that I was like, wait, he's not
in the Hall of Fame already, but headlining the group
was Nick Saban, arguably the goat if you look at
his record and what he's done between his time spent
at LSU in particular in Alabama, and obviously coach Urban Meyer,
who's won national championships two different spots, obviously incredibly difficult
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to do and at two different conferences.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And by the way, in two different eras.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I think that's something else you have to draw attention
to is both these coaches were able to navigate what
was the BCS.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Now the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And uh, there's something to be said for being able
to figure out a way of molding your team to
a stand the path to be able to get there,
to win a national championship, but callous players as well.
My guy Mark Ingram, the first ever Heisman Trophy winner
for the University of Alabama.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
How about dis stuff? That? Yeah? Like that. That was
one of the things that I remember when talking to Mark,
I'm like, man, of all the great players, I.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Was like, you were the first, Like how cool is that?
It's like, yeah, He's like for a story, you know,
program like that. It's pretty crazy when you think about it.
But Ken Dorson, Ken Dorsey was on this list, and
I was like, wait a second, how is Ken.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Not already in?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
With all the success they had during the U Sean
Taylor is on this list? How is Sean Taylor not
already in? I mean, you start going down the list
and this is something that you are a college Football
Hall of Famer, so you're in it. But when you
look at it, you tend to forget. There are so
many schools. You know, there's players, coaches.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
All of it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But it's a very difficult group to be a part of.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
When it's all said and done, it is, man.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I mean, for for my school, you think about Kei
John Carter, how is he not in Fortney Brown?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
How's he not in I just you know, so.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You start to to see the names that that pop
up in this one is one hundred percent a star
stuttered list of characters on on this one. I mean,
man looking at Takeo, Spikes's is on that list. There's
there's just a lot of guys, Herman Moore, He's on
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the list, right, I mean, there's just.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Some of the newer age players.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Aaron Donald's on that Linon Donald, Yeah, yeah, So I
don't know Randall. There's a couple of Indiana football players
which I thought was interesting, Anchwan Randall l who is
a slash type player, a ton of fun to watch. So, look,
we got a couple of Notre Dame guys on there.
Todd Light who I'm like, why is he not in yet?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
He should play with Todd.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
There you go, Mantiteo, who was arguably one of the
best defensive players in Notre Dame history.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I think he will eventually go in.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And a contemporary and a guy who I love, James
Laronitis at Ohio State a three time. I don't know
if it's all unanimous consensus all American, but how many
guys have that on their resume? Just an absolute stud
So and again like I look at James's resume and
I look at my brother in laws, I'm like, well,
eventually AJ is going to get in, right, because he's
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got very similar accolades. When you look at what he
built up over his time at Ohio States.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I can't see how a j Hawk or James Larry
Knitis wouldn't get in. And first of all, I don't
again I'll say this because for me, it took a
long ass time.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
For me.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
In fact, I thought I didn't get in. You remember
the year I got in. I was like, man, did
I miss it? Like, I don't know, I didn't know.
But it's it's uh being on the other side of it,
it's it's quite an accomplishment and and and it's exciting
when you see, uh the type of people that are
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are the recipients of of getting in and getting that honor.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
And I mean, you know, in.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Basketball, it's weird because I mean, at least we're for
For me, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Pro and college.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So all you had to do was have a great
college career, and you could be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And vice versa.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You could have a great pro career and not have
had a great college career and you go to the
same hall of fame as somebody that went to college,
but in this one, it's very unique because it is
just college and pro is just pro, and and so
there are a plenty of guys that are talented enough
and have been gifted enough and blessed enough to be
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able to do it on both levels.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But for you to be able to make it.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Into that hollow ground in college, I just you know,
it's quite an accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
It's such a great feeling.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I wish all those guys, all those guys luck,
and wish them all well. But yeah, I think guys
like AJ Hawk and Laronnitis. I mean, they're the reason
why you talk about linebackers in the Big Ten, right,
those are the types of names that are in our
long lineage and our heritage of what we have represented
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as linebackers in the Big Ten. Because to me, I
think that that's the one. You know, you can look
at other conferences and I get it, but there's nothing
like vintage Big Ten linebackers.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's just something about them and and and those two
names that you name, those are two big names in
in the long line, in the history of of linebackers
in the ten.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So yeah, another big name who will be a part
of this class, I assume is this guy, the Aaron Donald,
who to me should be a surefire. And that's one
of the things I want to draw attention to is
I think a lot of these guys will get in,
you know, in regards to the timing of it and
how it all works. Uh, it's it's that's that's obviously
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above me. But I think the committee that decides this,
which is what the National Football Foundation, if I'm not mistaken,
they've got a tough task. I mean, you're weighing coaches,
You're weighing players. You know, you're you're weighing so many
different things in different eras.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
And on top of that.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know, you've got different divisions at times too that
you're looking at in regards to the players. So it's
not an easy task for the selection committee. There's obviously
a rich tradition and history in college football where you've
got great players from so many different places that are
typically up for this every single year. But congratulations to
all those nominees. It is a true honor. We will
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be seeing some of these.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Players join LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, being immortalized, come on football history being in the
Hall of Fame at some point. I'm just hoping we
get one Notre Dame guy in there, and it's not,
and I hope it's I wish it could be both.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I hopeentially get you in there. Man.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Well, there's certain things that that you got to check off, which,
like the hard thing for me is the years I
was an All American.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I lost out to Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Winners or someone else, but a couple of Player of
the Year awards.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So as long as long as you were an All
American man, and it was like what one time it's
like one or once one time consensus or unanimous or
something to that effect. I forget what the criteria of
it is, but I feel like you had to.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You had to.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You had a good enough, you got good enough accolades
made it in. So I mean, I was a two
time All American. That was that was it?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Like I didn't you know, I wasn't the All American
three times or well, and really you only you only
have to be one time, right.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's players who have who have been able to, you know,
only have one great year and they're able to get
it off that one great year. Sometimes that all that's
all it takes, but that will be so Yes, that's right,
that's right. So anyway, it's it's a great list of players.
It's against surprising that some of those names on there,
like the Ken dorseyon one was the one that surprised
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me the most, only because I remember growing up through
that time and watching Ken and then getting the chance
to play with him and getting to know him and
talking about those times. I mean, their team was uber talented,
but he was, you know, kind of the the orchestrator,
the brains behind you know, everything that was going on offensively.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
You know, he was so far ahead of his time.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
It's one of the reasons why he's got into coaching
and why he's now, you know, calling plays for the Browns.
He obviously was with the Bills. Uh maybe that's not
the best you know, highlight the way it worked out.
But nonetheless he's continually gotten opportunities because he is a
very very sharp offensive mind.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
But it's again, it's a.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Tremendous accomplishment and accolade, and I would say it's more
competitive than I think people realize when you put it up.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I was against the pro Football Hall.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Of Fame and you're looking at, you know, how many
guys are able to get into that. There's similarities in
the difficulty of just being able to be one that.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Passes way more people. There's way more people, you know,
and it's like the percentage is like zero point zero
two to two to two percent of all college athletes
are able to get into the college Football Hall of Fame.
So it's, uh, it's it's it's difficult, man, it is difficult.
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And again, like I said, if I'm just using me,
I just went in not too long ago, you know,
and that was I feel like I had a pretty uh,
pretty pretty solid resume to have gone in. But there's
also criterias I guess that we're governing it. When I
was coming out as well, which was I believe back
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in the day you had to have your degree in
order to get in, and I didn't have a degree.
I had left early to go into to the draft,
so that had maybe played a part for a lot
of guys that maybe didn't get in early. And then
you start getting circulated, you know, I had never even
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been nominated to be in and so and.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I think that's part of it too, is there tends
to be push behind the scenes from schools, from sometimes
media companies to make these sorts of things happen, and
I think that's maybe what helps motivate it a little
bit too. To get some players who have been waiting
a little while. That should be an end. I think
it just takes a little push, little shove, just one
little application, if you will. But hopefully guys from past generations,
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older generations like a Matt Kavanough example, who played quarterback
at Pitt, very deserving, you.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Know, as far as you know being in it.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I said, I already spoke for Todd Light, who I'm against,
shocked and surprised he's not in yet, based on his
accomplishments and everything he did at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So I hope they look at it and they.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Say, let's take care of some of the older guys,
knowing that these hopefully these younger guys will be around
and as far as how they look at the not
only nomination process, but getting some of these guys in
at least, that's how I would look at it, because
they're all worthy of it.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
It's just a matter of time. Is that a fair
way of putting it?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, Yeah, it just takes a long time sometimes for
this one right here. And I don't know what the
right or wrong answer to it is, because again they'd
be like, like we mentioned with this whole you know,
these are just nominees that we're throwing out there. You
got Urban Meyer and Nick saban On on a nominees
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list the same one for college football, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
So it's kind of like that's just you know, it's
interesting as.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You look through the list too, when you look at
a guy like Dallas Clark, who you know, kind of
changed the way we see tight ends, how they're split out,
how they're utilized. You know, he was one of the
first guys in the early two thousands, you know that
that was that kind of player, and he ended up
being that in the NFL. It kind of led to
everything else where. What about Willie Gold I mean, one
of the fastest players in the history of the NFL,
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A player who was a first team All American.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
You know, you look at what he was able to
do as far as a special.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Teams player, and maybe that's more of what they're angling
at in regards to him. But like Mike Vick is
a part of this list. I mean, how is Mike
Vick not in? You look at some of these days, right,
None of this makes sense?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Man. I mean I go through it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And I say, it's a it's a stiff competition when
you pick out you know, different players. I mean Marshawn Lynch,
DeShawn Jackson, so many, so many great players that are
part of this list. So congratulations to all those players.
Kellen Moore, by the way, quarterback for Boise Date, Hellodi Nada,
who is just an absolute game wrecker.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Wait, how about Ken Norton Jr. Another one as far
as a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
This time just now, yes, Wow, Chris Samuels at Alabama
as far as attack. I mean, there's just there's so
so many names who are a part of this list.
Taylor Stubblefield, who is a really productive wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I witnessed that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I know the pro career wasn't the same, but you
want to go back and look at his college accolades.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Eric Weddle, I mean talk about quarterback on defense, game breaker.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Peter Warwick. I mean, all these are names that are
on this list.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It feels like whatever got released out there to the
media wasn't quite as many as what is on the
actual official list. I mean Mike Huff who was a
defensive back at Texas during my era. He was about
and so again a star studed group. Owen Kreutz, who's
a part of this list. I mean, I think anyone
who knows him. It was one of the nastiest centers
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to have ever play college or pro for that matter.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
So it'll be interesting to see who gets in who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But again, I hope they take care of some of
the older guys to you know, allow them to have
that opportunity to shine for all their accomplishments.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Mm hmm, sounds good to me.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
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Speaker 3 (16:23):
This is two pros and a cup of Joe Brady
Quinn LeVar Arinson with you this morning. No Jonas Knox,
he's on vacation just for one more day, celebrating that
birthday he had last week.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
We do have our producer lead to.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Latin back and he's probably, well, I should say probably.
We know we talked a little bit about it in
case you missed it and parting it up in Austin. Well,
there's gonna be a party in New England for Tom Brady,
who's been inducted into the New England Patriots Hall of Fame.
He'll be the thirty fifth such player to be inducted.
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There's actually a four year waiting period that used to
be part of the process to get into the Hall
of Fame. They've waived that given that the goat Tom
Brady doesn't need.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Those sorts of rules and restrictions.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Reportedly, there will be hundreds of players who will be
planning on attending the induction.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It feels a bit odd like the timing of this.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's been a big year for Tom Brady, a big,
big moment in time for Tom Brady, a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Of moving parts, a lot of things going on. We
had the Netflix roast, there's obviously personal stuff. There's just
everything you could imagine. He's gonna be broadcasting for Fox
this fall. We're excited about that. But in regards to
the timing of the Hall of Fame induction, if they're
willing to waive the four year waiting period, why now?
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Why is it because Bill Belichick is no longer there?
Could they have not done it when Bill Belichick was there?
The past year or two. It does seem curious, and
it does only because, like it seemed as if Bill
Belichick was fine with Tom Brady. He came to the roast,
he was a part of it. You know, there were
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stories of them talking in the green room behind the scenes,
and the players all being there with coach and all that.
It just it's odd to me that there's the timing
of all of this, and maybe it's some of the
orchestration by the Craft family to make it seem like
that has something to do with it. Right, with the
timing of this, it almost leads you to think that
you know, now they're doing it, and maybe you know,
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Kraft wanted to do it for Tom Brady and not
have them under the shadow of.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Bill Belichick, because Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Is one of the legendary head coaches, the greatest of
all time in my opinion, and given the relationship between
Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick, maybe he didn't want Bill
Belichick to.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Share in that. Although again, it would be hard.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
To think that Bill Belichick isn't going to be a
part of in some way, shape or form, Tom Brady's
new England Patriots Hall of Fame induction.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Would it not. I mean, how could you think that
ghost Belichick will come? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I mean, do you think it will? I would imagine so,
I would imagine so. But you know, again, who knows
how that relationship is at this point. Given the documentary
that Robert Kraft had produced or been behind the scenes for,
and obviously it was brought up, it seemed that the
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at the roast, So you know, a lot of oftentimes
we use humor as a form of being passive aggressive
about how we really feel about something. And I'm sure
if you're Bill Belichick, you're frustrated that you're former employer,
an owner.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
A guy who you brought what how many rings? Six
rings to.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
How many Callas Super Bowls and AFC East Division titles
and AFC championships and he's you know, you get to
falling out at the end, so it's going to spoil
the rest of the legacy that he built for you.
I just the timing of it's odd to me, That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It is curious, And and you know, I wonder if
you're doing it as a way to keep your fan
base engaged as well, you know, and and maybe having
some hope and some excitement about Mayo and the new
coaching staff and and maybe the direction that that this
this organization is now going in you know, and and
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what does that represent, I don't know, maybe the voice
of Tom Brady coming in there and saying, you know,
stand in there, you know, support, you know, be a
part of this, come out to the games, you know,
continue to be a Patriots fan. It's possible that that
this is a leverage ploy in a way to to
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kind of rally rally the fans and in a in
a new new moment in time for this this you know,
for this franchise.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's a good point because it feels like it's going
to be a rebuilding year. You know, you're probably gonna
be starting a quarterback at some point, if not right
out the gate, depending on how Drake may battles with
Jacoby Brissette and then what you know, Drod Mayo wants
to do at the quarterback spot. This roster, in comparison
to the other three that are in the AFC East,
I think we'd admit probably isn't the most talented roster
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on paper. Now we know that always doesn't equate to wins,
and we'll see what they're able to do. But I
have the sense that there's gonna be some growing pains,
there's gonna be some difficulties for all involved, whether that's
a rookie head coach, a rookie quarterback, some of the
other pieces on this roster. I don't know that there's
an optimistic outlook in my opinion right now of what
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this team is going to do. Maybe I'll be wrong,
you know, maybe I'll be proven wrong, But that's just
my thought going into this. But either way, Tom Brady
getting inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame, congratulations. It's
gonna be happening coming up here June twelve, So it's
coming up here rather shortly, Which is another reason why
when you think about this in duction and at this
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time of the year, why wouldn't you have done it
with Bill Belichick as you know, the head coach, Like, well,
what does it matter in regards to the relationship that
maybe even Tom and Bill Belichick had, That doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You're doing it in the off season. You know.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I'm sure Tom during his time in Tampa would have easily,
you know, come up. But I get the fact that
they want to do it, you know, after his playing
Ker has done, but he's been out for what two
years now?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Mm hm, So I mean technically you could have done
a bit. So I don't know. Maybe I'm being like
nitpicky about this subject.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Maybe it's because we don't have as much to talk
about because the NBA decided to start the NBA Final
Thursday on June sixth.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, it gets sight of the sand.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I think it's a strong topic because I do believe
that there is some coincidence to the fact that it
happened when it did.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I would be curious as to think maybe Bill Belichick
was on some kind of like let's hold off on
that type of stuff that could turn into somewhat of
a distraction to what it is that they got going on.
And this team where it's at right now currently doesn't
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need any more distractions than what it already has, you know,
to deal with in terms of this team trying to
figure out how to start winning more games. And so
there could be the possibility that you know, Bill Belichick
was like, wow, I you know, probably love respect at Meyer,
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Tom Brady and what he's accomplished and know that he
will be in this Ring of Fame Hall of fame
for our organization, and you guys may want to do
it sooner than what the stipulations and the rules have
been for players in the past, but that's just not
something that we need right now. Remind our fans, go figure,
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remind our fans of what we once were when we
had this guy. While we're still struggling to try to
figure out what we're going to do with this team
moving into the future. It just might not have been
Maybe for Bill Belichick, it might not have felt like
a good look.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And then you got to sit.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
There and think about the fact that all those fans
is looking at at at Tom like man like, and
you left us and won a super Bowl the next year, right,
that should have been another super Bowl for us. So
they're now they're now looking at Tom like that should
have been another super Bowl for us. That should have
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been another super Bowl for us. Hold up, Bill, Now
they're looking at Bill. It should have been another super
Bowl for us. Bill right now? Oh yeah, now you
better win some games, Buddy, win some games. You just
reminded us we should have another super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Well, and I'm sure they look at the three they
lost and they think to themselves, did we really good
bet by No Foles and the Philadelphia Eagles. Did we
really let that happen? There's there's some other ones I'm
sure that you throw in there and you go like,
how did that happen?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
But I look at it this.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Way, it's one of the first opportunities we get to
truly acknowledge Tom Brady post career in a Hall of
Fame category of what he was able to accomplish. And
I know we've talked about it a lot, especially when
he retired, and the speculation of it, if he would
come back, and everything else, But I mean his career
and the longevity playing at such a high level. I
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mean the conversations even surrounded how he hasn't ruled out
like he'd come back at some point to make a run.
I think that was floated out there at one point.
It's because he didn't fall off the face of the
earth when.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
He got done playing.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
He was leading the league in passing attempts, he was
leading the league in yards, he was still slinging the
football around the field, and a relatively good shape outside
of his knee that I think was pretty well documented.
Maybe after a Super Bowl victory having some issues with it.
He kept himself in a position to be able to
compete for multiple decades. Didn't matter like the staff changes,
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the player changes, like Tom Brady allowed his teams to compete,
and that was a testament to him and I think
more than anything else, the sacrifices that he made as
a player. And it wasn't just sacrifices that he made
as a player like we kind of think about typically.
It was the personal sacrifices. I mean, his marriage took
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a hit because of it. Yeah, I mean it's sad
to admit and maybe awkward to talk about, but they
would probably still be together, I would have guessed, and
maybe not, maybe they would have broken up anyway, but
they probably still would have been together had he maybe
been more round, been more present, not allowed whatever to
have transpired, a transpire where you kind of grow apart.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
There's elements of that. I mean, there's been sacrifices that
you make.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
When you're away and you're that focused on your craft,
your career and all that with your kids.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
You can't get that time back.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You can't get it, so, you know, and they've been
looking at his off seasons, the way he's trained, the
way he's treated his body to stay in shape like that,
to be able to be the type of player that
you know has got on strict diets and continually put
himself a position to recover faster from injuries or not
have to sustain injuries, like all those things.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know, he was willing to do more than what
anyone else was.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And so as I look at his induction into the
New England Patriots Hall of Fame, I think to myself, like, so,
who is going to be next?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Is it Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Like the run that they've been on has put them
in the conversation with one of the greatest dynasties of
all time. But the separation between the Pats and everyone
else is the fact that that lasted two decades. I
mean that lasted over how many AFC East Division titles,
how many trips into the playoffs, into Super Bowls? I mean,
even though they didn't win, they went to nine. I
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mean every other year they are going to one. Can
the Pats sustain that? Can Patrick Mahomes sustain that? For example,
when Travis Kelsey decides to hang it up, and I
know that there's been talk about him potentially doing that
next year or two I mean had others talk about
it this past year, so you know, can he sustain
this level of excellence despite not maybe having his number
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one target another future Hall of Famer Very similar to
Tom Brady having Gronk as you could see, you know,
Tom Brady was able to be that Hall of Fame
quarterback before Gronk, and obviously that Hall of Fame quarterback
with Gronk. We haven't seen that from Mahomes yet, and
that'll be one of the first tests.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I don't see it is.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Great of a start as that man is off to
right now, and Patrick Mahomes, I still don't see it
being feasible to think that somebody could sustain that high
of level of accomplishment for that amount of time and
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for no other reason, no other reason than one player
and one player alone can't do it. You got to
keep in mind Tom Brady was the recipient of multiples
of future Hall of Famers on that team. How many
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future Hall of Famers has has Patrick Mahomes played with?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I would say Travis Kelsey, Okay, sure, okay, if you
count the coach, Andy Reid, I would put Chris Jones
on there as well.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I think he's he's on his way.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I think, yeah, you think Tyre Kills a Hall of Famer,
I mean on on his way on like I feel
like him, Chris Jones, they're on their.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Way, are they? Are? They sure locks for the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I think Chris Jones is based on his stats, and
I mean he's I mean maybe been overshadowed by Aaron Donald,
but I mean, let me just give you Tyreek Hill's
resume up to this point.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Give it to me. He's a five time first team
All Pro. Yeah, he's a Hall of Famer. That's he's
been to the Pro Bowl every single year he's played. Yeah,
hall of Famer. Okay, that's all right, Okay, so how
many more? Let me let me give you Chris Jones.
Let me give you Chris Jones. All right.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Chris Jones is a two time All Pro first Team
All Pro, five time UH with three of those being
second team, and he's been a Pro Bowler for the
past five years.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
It's questionable, but he's got a couple of Super Bowls
to go along with it. He does, and that could
push him over, right, that could push him over.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
And he's got quite possibly the most tantalizing forty yard
dash we've ever seen at the combine.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I mean that really could could like drop the hammer
on him getting in. Yep, that might have helped him
get in, might have helped him how many more?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Uh, well outside of Kelsey, I mean that's probably it.
I mean, And that's the thing about Britty. He's pretty
played so long. You know, to me, you played through
different areas where.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Some of them and put it to you like this,
and some of them, some of them might not have
even been Hall of Fame. Like you think about a
guy like Willie McGinnis. Maybe he's not gonna make the
Hall of Fame, but the amount of influence that he
had on them early years as a leader on that team.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I mean, he was a pro bowler. You're talking about
ty law lawyer molloy. You know.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Then you move into guys like Rodney Harrison, you know
what I mean. Junior Seau was on that team at
one point, you know, and that's just we're just on
the defense right now. Darel Reeves was on that team
at one point. On offense, you mentioned Randy Moss, You
had Corey Dylon at one point. Fred Taylor was on
that team at one point in time. I mean, if
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you really really look at of all the guys, did
he play much with the Bats?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I don't remember, not much.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But but I'm just saying he's always had a star
studded type of group. Like people talk about, oh, well
he didn't have receivers, this, that and the other.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
He recruited those guys that they came to play with him. Yeah,
here as you went at the end of his career,
came there for training camp, and I'm not fitting.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I mean, didn't there for him.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Didn't Chad Scott go there for a minute, for a
moment in time?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Was it Chad Scott? I don't know Chad Scott. I
know he got a B. Not Chad Scott, Chad Chad Johnson.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, d Chad Scott was a defensive back for the
Pittsburgh steel It's my apologies, uh.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Uh, play that man. Didn't Chad Johnson go there? He did?
He was there for one year actually his last year
he was there.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
But also again you're talking about guys who went at
the very very end of their career, like Chad Johnson.
I think played in fifteen games at three starts, and
I think it had fifteen receptions.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
So then I get it.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I know what you're saying that they didn't have anything,
But for his the duration of his career, he's always
had a core nucleus of super super dope guys, especially
on the defense side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I mean, if we if you really look at if
I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Oh, from from from year one to I think early
on we talk about guys like William mc ginnis, Richard Seymour,
will will Ford see more thing on sure, But I
think as the years wore on, I don't know youire
making that many that many cases for it, like I
would say, actually over the two decades span.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I mean, you know, I think about it. He didn't
win a Super Bowl with Randy Moss.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
They they almost went undefeated though, yeah, almost game one game.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
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Sports or otherwise?
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All right? What we got here?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Lee?
Speaker 6 (35:05):
All right, guys, we're gonna start off with this. Would
you rather throw up every time you see a McDonald's
or always wear a fedora?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Oh? I wears anyway.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Always wear a fedora. There's too many McDonald's out there,
you'd be throwing up all the time.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
What do you think Jonas would pick? I think he'd
pick Fedora.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Oh he probably don't throw up everything up every time
just to be able to say it.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Reason as to why, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Guys, would you rather know when someone is lying to
you or lie without anyone ever knowing?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I would love to know when someone's lying to me.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, I don't really get the second one.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So like.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
The first one's like kind of a cool, like superpower almost,
the second one is.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Just kind of like you're at that's all. Yeah, decision.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Yeah, but you can always lie and get away with it.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, right, But you wouldn't pick to find out whatever
anytime someone's lying to though.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But also if you're an habitual liar or a pathological liar,
you don't you do think you're getting away with it.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I was just gonna say that would have to be
the caveat to it is you you lie every time,
but you get.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Away with it.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Yeah, yeah, you always get away with it.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'd rather know if people are lying to me too. Guys.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Would you rather be constantly sticky or constantly itchy?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Oh no, that's a real one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I'd rather be sticky. I'd rather be sticky because itchy
would drive me nuts.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think I'd rather be sticky.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
But either way, I mean, you don't really you can
feel sticky, but you can like sticky, can go away,
like you can walk through your day feel like sticky
and not feel bad. But it just you can't get
around that.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
You can't get away. You can't get away from the sticky.
Imagine if you can't get away from the itch, a
little icky icky still scratched you. I mean, I love
the sticky
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buying should be well. It was announced yesterday the nominees
for the twenty twenty five College Football Hall of Fame
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class and a star studded group.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Wow so much so there was a.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
List of guys that I was like, wait, he's not
in the Hall of Fame already, but headlining the group
was Nick Saban, arguably the goat if you look at
his record and what he's done between his time spent
at LSU in particular in Alabama, and obviously coach Urban Meyer,
who's won national championships two different spots, obviously incredibly difficult
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to do and at two different conferences.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And by the way, in two different eras.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I think that's something else you have to draw attention
to is both these coaches were able to navigate what
was the BCS.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Now the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And uh, there's something to be said for being able
to figure out a way of molding your team to
a stand the path to be able to get there,
to win a national championship, but callous players as well.
My guy Mark Ingram, the first ever Heisman Trophy winner
for the University of Alabama.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
How about dis stuff? That? Yeah? Like that. That was
one of the things that I remember when talking to Mark,
I'm like, man, of all the great players, I.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Was like, you were the first, Like how cool is that?
It's like, yeah, He's like for a story, you know,
program like that. It's pretty crazy when you think about it.
But Ken Dorson, Ken Dorsey was on this list, and
I was like, wait a second, how is Ken.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Not already in?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
With all the success they had during the U Sean
Taylor is on this list? How is Sean Taylor not
already in? I mean, you start going down the list
and this is something that you are a college Football
Hall of Famer, so you're in it. But when you
look at it, you tend to forget. There are so
many schools. You know, there's players, coaches.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
All of it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But it's a very difficult group to be a part of.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
When it's all said and done, it is, man.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I mean, for for my school, you think about Kei
John Carter, how is he not in Fortney Brown?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
How's he not in I just you know, so.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You start to to see the names that that pop
up in this one is one hundred percent a star
stuttered list of characters on on this one. I mean,
man looking at Takeo, Spikes's is on that list. There's
there's just a lot of guys, Herman Moore, He's on
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the list, right, I mean, there's just.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Some of the newer age players.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Aaron Donald's on that Linon Donald, Yeah, yeah, So I
don't know Randall. There's a couple of Indiana football players
which I thought was interesting, Anchwan Randall l who is
a slash type player, a ton of fun to watch. So, look,
we got a couple of Notre Dame guys on there.
Todd Light who I'm like, why is he not in yet?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
He should play with Todd.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
There you go, Mantiteo, who was arguably one of the
best defensive players in Notre Dame history.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I think he will eventually go in.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And a contemporary and a guy who I love, James
Laronitis at Ohio State a three time. I don't know
if it's all unanimous consensus all American, but how many
guys have that on their resume? Just an absolute stud
So and again like I look at James's resume and
I look at my brother in laws, I'm like, well,
eventually AJ is going to get in, right, because he's
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got very similar accolades. When you look at what he
built up over his time at Ohio States.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I can't see how a j Hawk or James Larry
Knitis wouldn't get in. And first of all, I don't
again I'll say this because for me, it took a
long ass time.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
For me.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
In fact, I thought I didn't get in. You remember
the year I got in. I was like, man, did
I miss it? Like, I don't know, I didn't know.
But it's it's uh being on the other side of it,
it's it's quite an accomplishment and and and it's exciting
when you see, uh the type of people that are
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are the recipients of of getting in and getting that honor.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
And I mean, you know, in.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Basketball, it's weird because I mean, at least we're for
For me, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Pro and college.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So all you had to do was have a great
college career, and you could be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And vice versa.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You could have a great pro career and not have
had a great college career and you go to the
same hall of fame as somebody that went to college,
but in this one, it's very unique because it is
just college and pro is just pro, and and so
there are a plenty of guys that are talented enough
and have been gifted enough and blessed enough to be
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able to do it on both levels.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But for you to be able to make it.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Into that hollow ground in college, I just you know,
it's quite an accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
It's such a great feeling.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I wish all those guys, all those guys luck,
and wish them all well. But yeah, I think guys
like AJ Hawk and Laronnitis. I mean, they're the reason
why you talk about linebackers in the Big Ten, right,
those are the types of names that are in our
long lineage and our heritage of what we have represented
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as linebackers in the Big Ten. Because to me, I
think that that's the one. You know, you can look
at other conferences and I get it, but there's nothing
like vintage Big Ten linebackers.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's just something about them and and and those two
names that you name, those are two big names in
in the long line, in the history of of linebackers
in the ten.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So yeah, another big name who will be a part
of this class, I assume is this guy, the Aaron Donald,
who to me should be a surefire. And that's one
of the things I want to draw attention to is
I think a lot of these guys will get in,
you know, in regards to the timing of it and
how it all works. Uh, it's it's that's that's obviously
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above me. But I think the committee that decides this,
which is what the National Football Foundation, if I'm not mistaken,
they've got a tough task. I mean, you're weighing coaches,
You're weighing players. You know, you're you're weighing so many
different things in different eras.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
And on top of that.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know, you've got different divisions at times too that
you're looking at in regards to the players. So it's
not an easy task for the selection committee. There's obviously
a rich tradition and history in college football where you've
got great players from so many different places that are
typically up for this every single year. But congratulations to
all those nominees. It is a true honor. We will
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be seeing some of these.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Players join LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, being immortalized, come on football history being in the
Hall of Fame at some point. I'm just hoping we
get one Notre Dame guy in there, and it's not,
and I hope it's I wish it could be both.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I hopeentially get you in there. Man.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Well, there's certain things that that you got to check off, which,
like the hard thing for me is the years I
was an All American.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I lost out to Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Winners or someone else, but a couple of Player of
the Year awards.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So as long as long as you were an All
American man, and it was like what one time it's
like one or once one time consensus or unanimous or
something to that effect. I forget what the criteria of
it is, but I feel like you had to.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You had to.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You had a good enough, you got good enough accolades
made it in. So I mean, I was a two
time All American. That was that was it?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Like I didn't you know, I wasn't the All American
three times or well, and really you only you only
have to be one time, right.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's players who have who have been able to, you know,
only have one great year and they're able to get
it off that one great year. Sometimes that all that's
all it takes, but that will be so Yes, that's right,
that's right. So anyway, it's it's a great list of players.
It's against surprising that some of those names on there,
like the Ken dorseyon one was the one that surprised
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me the most, only because I remember growing up through
that time and watching Ken and then getting the chance
to play with him and getting to know him and
talking about those times. I mean, their team was uber talented,
but he was, you know, kind of the the orchestrator,
the brains behind you know, everything that was going on offensively.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
You know, he was so far ahead of his time.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
It's one of the reasons why he's got into coaching
and why he's now, you know, calling plays for the Browns.
He obviously was with the Bills. Uh maybe that's not
the best you know, highlight the way it worked out.
But nonetheless he's continually gotten opportunities because he is a
very very sharp offensive mind.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
But it's again, it's a.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Tremendous accomplishment and accolade, and I would say it's more
competitive than I think people realize when you put it up.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I was against the pro Football Hall.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Of Fame and you're looking at, you know, how many
guys are able to get into that. There's similarities in
the difficulty of just being able to be one that.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Passes way more people. There's way more people, you know,
and it's like the percentage is like zero point zero
two to two to two percent of all college athletes
are able to get into the college Football Hall of Fame.
So it's, uh, it's it's it's difficult, man, it is difficult.
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And again, like I said, if I'm just using me,
I just went in not too long ago, you know,
and that was I feel like I had a pretty uh,
pretty pretty solid resume to have gone in. But there's
also criterias I guess that we're governing it. When I
was coming out as well, which was I believe back
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in the day you had to have your degree in
order to get in, and I didn't have a degree.
I had left early to go into to the draft,
so that had maybe played a part for a lot
of guys that maybe didn't get in early. And then
you start getting circulated, you know, I had never even
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been nominated to be in and so and.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I think that's part of it too, is there tends
to be push behind the scenes from schools, from sometimes
media companies to make these sorts of things happen, and
I think that's maybe what helps motivate it a little
bit too. To get some players who have been waiting
a little while. That should be an end. I think
it just takes a little push, little shove, just one
little application, if you will. But hopefully guys from past generations,
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older generations like a Matt Kavanough example, who played quarterback
at Pitt, very deserving, you.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Know, as far as you know being in it.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I said, I already spoke for Todd Light, who I'm against,
shocked and surprised he's not in yet, based on his
accomplishments and everything he did at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So I hope they look at it and they.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Say, let's take care of some of the older guys,
knowing that these hopefully these younger guys will be around
and as far as how they look at the not
only nomination process, but getting some of these guys in
at least, that's how I would look at it, because
they're all worthy of it.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
It's just a matter of time. Is that a fair
way of putting it?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, Yeah, it just takes a long time sometimes for
this one right here. And I don't know what the
right or wrong answer to it is, because again they'd
be like, like we mentioned with this whole you know,
these are just nominees that we're throwing out there. You
got Urban Meyer and Nick saban On on a nominees
(12:55):
list the same one for college football, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
So it's kind of like that's just you know, it's
interesting as.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You look through the list too, when you look at
a guy like Dallas Clark, who you know, kind of
changed the way we see tight ends, how they're split out,
how they're utilized. You know, he was one of the
first guys in the early two thousands, you know that
that was that kind of player, and he ended up
being that in the NFL. It kind of led to
everything else where. What about Willie Gold I mean, one
of the fastest players in the history of the NFL,
(13:27):
A player who was a first team All American.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
You know, you look at what he was able to
do as far as a special.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Teams player, and maybe that's more of what they're angling
at in regards to him. But like Mike Vick is
a part of this list. I mean, how is Mike
Vick not in? You look at some of these days, right,
None of this makes sense?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Man. I mean I go through it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And I say, it's a it's a stiff competition when
you pick out you know, different players. I mean Marshawn Lynch,
DeShawn Jackson, so many, so many great players that are
part of this list. So congratulations to all those players.
Kellen Moore, by the way, quarterback for Boise Date, Hellodi Nada,
who is just an absolute game wrecker.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Wait, how about Ken Norton Jr. Another one as far
as a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
This time just now, yes, Wow, Chris Samuels at Alabama
as far as attack. I mean, there's just there's so
so many names who are a part of this list.
Taylor Stubblefield, who is a really productive wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I witnessed that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I know the pro career wasn't the same, but you
want to go back and look at his college accolades.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Eric Weddle, I mean talk about quarterback on defense, game breaker.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Peter Warwick. I mean, all these are names that are
on this list.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It feels like whatever got released out there to the
media wasn't quite as many as what is on the
actual official list. I mean Mike Huff who was a
defensive back at Texas during my era. He was about
and so again a star studed group. Owen Kreutz, who's
a part of this list. I mean, I think anyone
who knows him. It was one of the nastiest centers
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to have ever play college or pro for that matter.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
So it'll be interesting to see who gets in who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But again, I hope they take care of some of
the older guys to you know, allow them to have
that opportunity to shine for all their accomplishments.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Mm hmm, sounds good to me.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
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Speaker 3 (16:23):
This is two pros and a cup of Joe Brady
Quinn LeVar Arinson with you this morning. No Jonas Knox,
he's on vacation just for one more day, celebrating that
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Speaker 4 (16:34):
We do have our producer lead to.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Latin back and he's probably, well, I should say probably.
We know we talked a little bit about it in
case you missed it and parting it up in Austin. Well,
there's gonna be a party in New England for Tom Brady,
who's been inducted into the New England Patriots Hall of Fame.
He'll be the thirty fifth such player to be inducted.
(16:56):
There's actually a four year waiting period that used to
be part of the process to get into the Hall
of Fame. They've waived that given that the goat Tom
Brady doesn't need.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Those sorts of rules and restrictions.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Reportedly, there will be hundreds of players who will be
planning on attending the induction.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It feels a bit odd like the timing of this.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's been a big year for Tom Brady, a big,
big moment in time for Tom Brady, a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Of moving parts, a lot of things going on. We
had the Netflix roast, there's obviously personal stuff. There's just
everything you could imagine. He's gonna be broadcasting for Fox
this fall. We're excited about that. But in regards to
the timing of the Hall of Fame induction, if they're
willing to waive the four year waiting period, why now?
(17:45):
Why is it because Bill Belichick is no longer there?
Could they have not done it when Bill Belichick was there?
The past year or two. It does seem curious, and
it does only because, like it seemed as if Bill
Belichick was fine with Tom Brady. He came to the roast,
he was a part of it. You know, there were
(18:06):
stories of them talking in the green room behind the scenes,
and the players all being there with coach and all that.
It just it's odd to me that there's the timing
of all of this, and maybe it's some of the
orchestration by the Craft family to make it seem like
that has something to do with it. Right, with the
timing of this, it almost leads you to think that
you know, now they're doing it, and maybe you know,
(18:29):
Kraft wanted to do it for Tom Brady and not
have them under the shadow of.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Bill Belichick, because Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Is one of the legendary head coaches, the greatest of
all time in my opinion, and given the relationship between
Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick, maybe he didn't want Bill
Belichick to.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Share in that. Although again, it would be hard.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
To think that Bill Belichick isn't going to be a
part of in some way, shape or form, Tom Brady's
new England Patriots Hall of Fame induction.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Would it not. I mean, how could you think that
ghost Belichick will come? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I mean, do you think it will? I would imagine so,
I would imagine so. But you know, again, who knows
how that relationship is at this point. Given the documentary
that Robert Kraft had produced or been behind the scenes for,
and obviously it was brought up, it seemed that the
(19:20):
at the roast, So you know, a lot of oftentimes
we use humor as a form of being passive aggressive
about how we really feel about something. And I'm sure
if you're Bill Belichick, you're frustrated that you're former employer,
an owner.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
A guy who you brought what how many rings? Six
rings to.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
How many Callas Super Bowls and AFC East Division titles
and AFC championships and he's you know, you get to
falling out at the end, so it's going to spoil
the rest of the legacy that he built for you.
I just the timing of it's odd to me, That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It is curious, And and you know, I wonder if
you're doing it as a way to keep your fan
base engaged as well, you know, and and maybe having
some hope and some excitement about Mayo and the new
coaching staff and and maybe the direction that that this
this organization is now going in you know, and and
(20:24):
what does that represent, I don't know, maybe the voice
of Tom Brady coming in there and saying, you know,
stand in there, you know, support, you know, be a
part of this, come out to the games, you know,
continue to be a Patriots fan. It's possible that that
this is a leverage ploy in a way to to
(20:46):
kind of rally rally the fans and in a in
a new new moment in time for this this you know,
for this franchise.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's a good point because it feels like it's going
to be a rebuilding year. You know, you're probably gonna
be starting a quarterback at some point, if not right
out the gate, depending on how Drake may battles with
Jacoby Brissette and then what you know, Drod Mayo wants
to do at the quarterback spot. This roster, in comparison
to the other three that are in the AFC East,
I think we'd admit probably isn't the most talented roster
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on paper. Now we know that always doesn't equate to wins,
and we'll see what they're able to do. But I
have the sense that there's gonna be some growing pains,
there's gonna be some difficulties for all involved, whether that's
a rookie head coach, a rookie quarterback, some of the
other pieces on this roster. I don't know that there's
an optimistic outlook in my opinion right now of what
(21:39):
this team is going to do. Maybe I'll be wrong,
you know, maybe I'll be proven wrong, But that's just
my thought going into this. But either way, Tom Brady
getting inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame, congratulations. It's
gonna be happening coming up here June twelve, So it's
coming up here rather shortly, Which is another reason why
when you think about this in duction and at this
(22:01):
time of the year, why wouldn't you have done it
with Bill Belichick as you know, the head coach, Like, well,
what does it matter in regards to the relationship that
maybe even Tom and Bill Belichick had, That doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You're doing it in the off season. You know.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I'm sure Tom during his time in Tampa would have easily,
you know, come up. But I get the fact that
they want to do it, you know, after his playing
Ker has done, but he's been out for what two
years now?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Mm hm, So I mean technically you could have done
a bit. So I don't know. Maybe I'm being like
nitpicky about this subject.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Maybe it's because we don't have as much to talk
about because the NBA decided to start the NBA Final
Thursday on June sixth.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, it gets sight of the sand.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I think it's a strong topic because I do believe
that there is some coincidence to the fact that it
happened when it did.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I would be curious as to think maybe Bill Belichick
was on some kind of like let's hold off on
that type of stuff that could turn into somewhat of
a distraction to what it is that they got going on.
And this team where it's at right now currently doesn't
(23:09):
need any more distractions than what it already has, you know,
to deal with in terms of this team trying to
figure out how to start winning more games. And so
there could be the possibility that you know, Bill Belichick
was like, wow, I you know, probably love respect at Meyer,
(23:30):
Tom Brady and what he's accomplished and know that he
will be in this Ring of Fame Hall of fame
for our organization, and you guys may want to do
it sooner than what the stipulations and the rules have
been for players in the past, but that's just not
something that we need right now. Remind our fans, go figure,
(23:52):
remind our fans of what we once were when we
had this guy. While we're still struggling to try to
figure out what we're going to do with this team
moving into the future. It just might not have been
Maybe for Bill Belichick, it might not have felt like
a good look.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And then you got to sit.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
There and think about the fact that all those fans
is looking at at at Tom like man like, and
you left us and won a super Bowl the next year, right,
that should have been another super Bowl for us. So
they're now they're now looking at Tom like that should
have been another super Bowl for us. That should have
(24:31):
been another super Bowl for us. Hold up, Bill, Now
they're looking at Bill. It should have been another super
Bowl for us. Bill right now? Oh yeah, now you
better win some games, Buddy, win some games. You just
reminded us we should have another super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Well, and I'm sure they look at the three they
lost and they think to themselves, did we really good
bet by No Foles and the Philadelphia Eagles. Did we
really let that happen? There's there's some other ones I'm
sure that you throw in there and you go like,
how did that happen?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
But I look at it this.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Way, it's one of the first opportunities we get to
truly acknowledge Tom Brady post career in a Hall of
Fame category of what he was able to accomplish. And
I know we've talked about it a lot, especially when
he retired, and the speculation of it, if he would
come back, and everything else, But I mean his career
and the longevity playing at such a high level. I
(25:34):
mean the conversations even surrounded how he hasn't ruled out
like he'd come back at some point to make a run.
I think that was floated out there at one point.
It's because he didn't fall off the face of the
earth when.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
He got done playing.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
He was leading the league in passing attempts, he was
leading the league in yards, he was still slinging the
football around the field, and a relatively good shape outside
of his knee that I think was pretty well documented.
Maybe after a Super Bowl victory having some issues with it.
He kept himself in a position to be able to
compete for multiple decades. Didn't matter like the staff changes,
(26:12):
the player changes, like Tom Brady allowed his teams to compete,
and that was a testament to him and I think
more than anything else, the sacrifices that he made as
a player. And it wasn't just sacrifices that he made
as a player like we kind of think about typically.
It was the personal sacrifices. I mean, his marriage took
(26:33):
a hit because of it. Yeah, I mean it's sad
to admit and maybe awkward to talk about, but they
would probably still be together, I would have guessed, and
maybe not, maybe they would have broken up anyway, but
they probably still would have been together had he maybe
been more round, been more present, not allowed whatever to
have transpired, a transpire where you kind of grow apart.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
There's elements of that. I mean, there's been sacrifices that
you make.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
When you're away and you're that focused on your craft,
your career and all that with your kids.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
You can't get that time back.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You can't get it, so, you know, and they've been
looking at his off seasons, the way he's trained, the
way he's treated his body to stay in shape like that,
to be able to be the type of player that
you know has got on strict diets and continually put
himself a position to recover faster from injuries or not
have to sustain injuries, like all those things.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know, he was willing to do more than what
anyone else was.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And so as I look at his induction into the
New England Patriots Hall of Fame, I think to myself, like, so,
who is going to be next?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Is it Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Like the run that they've been on has put them
in the conversation with one of the greatest dynasties of
all time. But the separation between the Pats and everyone
else is the fact that that lasted two decades. I
mean that lasted over how many AFC East Division titles,
how many trips into the playoffs, into Super Bowls? I mean,
even though they didn't win, they went to nine. I
(28:00):
mean every other year they are going to one. Can
the Pats sustain that? Can Patrick Mahomes sustain that? For example,
when Travis Kelsey decides to hang it up, and I
know that there's been talk about him potentially doing that
next year or two I mean had others talk about
it this past year, so you know, can he sustain
this level of excellence despite not maybe having his number
(28:25):
one target another future Hall of Famer Very similar to
Tom Brady having Gronk as you could see, you know,
Tom Brady was able to be that Hall of Fame
quarterback before Gronk, and obviously that Hall of Fame quarterback
with Gronk. We haven't seen that from Mahomes yet, and
that'll be one of the first tests.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I don't see it is.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Great of a start as that man is off to
right now, and Patrick Mahomes, I still don't see it
being feasible to think that somebody could sustain that high
of level of accomplishment for that amount of time and
(29:09):
for no other reason, no other reason than one player
and one player alone can't do it. You got to
keep in mind Tom Brady was the recipient of multiples
of future Hall of Famers on that team. How many
(29:30):
future Hall of Famers has has Patrick Mahomes played with?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I would say Travis Kelsey, Okay, sure, okay, if you
count the coach, Andy Reid, I would put Chris Jones
on there as well.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I think he's he's on his way.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I think, yeah, you think Tyre Kills a Hall of Famer,
I mean on on his way on like I feel
like him, Chris Jones, they're on their.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Way, are they? Are? They sure locks for the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I think Chris Jones is based on his stats, and
I mean he's I mean maybe been overshadowed by Aaron Donald,
but I mean, let me just give you Tyreek Hill's
resume up to this point.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Give it to me. He's a five time first team
All Pro. Yeah, he's a Hall of Famer. That's he's
been to the Pro Bowl every single year he's played. Yeah,
hall of Famer. Okay, that's all right, Okay, so how
many more? Let me let me give you Chris Jones.
Let me give you Chris Jones. All right.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Chris Jones is a two time All Pro first Team
All Pro, five time UH with three of those being
second team, and he's been a Pro Bowler for the
past five years.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
It's questionable, but he's got a couple of Super Bowls
to go along with it. He does, and that could
push him over, right, that could push him over.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
And he's got quite possibly the most tantalizing forty yard
dash we've ever seen at the combine.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I mean that really could could like drop the hammer
on him getting in. Yep, that might have helped him
get in, might have helped him how many more?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Uh, well outside of Kelsey, I mean that's probably it.
I mean, And that's the thing about Britty. He's pretty
played so long. You know, to me, you played through
different areas where.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Some of them and put it to you like this,
and some of them, some of them might not have
even been Hall of Fame. Like you think about a
guy like Willie McGinnis. Maybe he's not gonna make the
Hall of Fame, but the amount of influence that he
had on them early years as a leader on that team.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I mean, he was a pro bowler. You're talking about
ty law lawyer molloy. You know.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Then you move into guys like Rodney Harrison, you know
what I mean. Junior Seau was on that team at
one point, you know, and that's just we're just on
the defense right now. Darel Reeves was on that team
at one point. On offense, you mentioned Randy Moss, You
had Corey Dylon at one point. Fred Taylor was on
that team at one point in time. I mean, if
(32:00):
you really really look at of all the guys, did
he play much with the Bats?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I don't remember, not much.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But but I'm just saying he's always had a star
studded type of group. Like people talk about, oh, well
he didn't have receivers, this, that and the other.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
He recruited those guys that they came to play with him. Yeah,
here as you went at the end of his career,
came there for training camp, and I'm not fitting.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I mean, didn't there for him.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Didn't Chad Scott go there for a minute, for a
moment in time?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Was it Chad Scott? I don't know Chad Scott. I
know he got a B. Not Chad Scott, Chad Chad Johnson.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, d Chad Scott was a defensive back for the
Pittsburgh steel It's my apologies, uh.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Uh, play that man. Didn't Chad Johnson go there? He did?
He was there for one year actually his last year
he was there.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
But also again you're talking about guys who went at
the very very end of their career, like Chad Johnson.
I think played in fifteen games at three starts, and
I think it had fifteen receptions.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
So then I get it.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I know what you're saying that they didn't have anything,
But for his the duration of his career, he's always
had a core nucleus of super super dope guys, especially
on the defense side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I mean, if we if you really look at if
I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Oh, from from from year one to I think early
on we talk about guys like William mc ginnis, Richard Seymour,
will will Ford see more thing on sure, But I
think as the years wore on, I don't know youire
making that many that many cases for it, like I
would say, actually over the two decades span.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I mean, you know, I think about it. He didn't
win a Super Bowl with Randy Moss.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
They they almost went undefeated though, yeah, almost game one game.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Coming up next year on Two Pros and a Cup
of Joke, coming to you live from the Tyrack Doc Studios,
We've got a little game of would you Rather, and
Lee says he's got a question for us that you
will not want to miss.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
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Speaker 4 (34:18):
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Speaker 3 (34:27):
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Speaker 4 (34:50):
Now it's time a little something we call this let's
make a hiss to and now? Would you rather your
random topics?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Sports or otherwise?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
All right? What we got here?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Lee?
Speaker 6 (35:05):
All right, guys, we're gonna start off with this. Would
you rather throw up every time you see a McDonald's
or always wear a fedora?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Oh? I wears anyway.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Always wear a fedora. There's too many McDonald's out there,
you'd be throwing up all the time.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
What do you think Jonas would pick? I think he'd
pick Fedora.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Oh he probably don't throw up everything up every time
just to be able to say it.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Reason as to why, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Guys, would you rather know when someone is lying to
you or lie without anyone ever knowing?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I would love to know when someone's lying to me.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, I don't really get the second one.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So like.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
The first one's like kind of a cool, like superpower almost,
the second one is.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Just kind of like you're at that's all. Yeah, decision.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Yeah, but you can always lie and get away with it.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, right, But you wouldn't pick to find out whatever
anytime someone's lying to though.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But also if you're an habitual liar or a pathological liar,
you don't you do think you're getting away with it.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I was just gonna say that would have to be
the caveat to it is you you lie every time,
but you get.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Away with it.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Yeah, yeah, you always get away with it.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'd rather know if people are lying to me too. Guys.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Would you rather be constantly sticky or constantly itchy?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Oh no, that's a real one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I'd rather be sticky. I'd rather be sticky because itchy
would drive me nuts.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think I'd rather be sticky.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
But either way, I mean, you don't really you can
feel sticky, but you can like sticky, can go away,
like you can walk through your day feel like sticky
and not feel bad. But it just you can't get
around that.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
You can't get away. You can't get away from the sticky.
Imagine if you can't get away from the itch, a
little icky icky still scratched you. I mean, I love
the sticky
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