June 4, 2024 • 48 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady and LaVar pay tribute to Larry Allen who passed away at age 52. Justin Jefferson’s new contract makes him the highest annual earner outside of QB’s. Producer Lee returns from Austin and The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins Brady and LaVar to talk about how where you get drafted dictates your career. Petros tells stories from his time at the Chargers Golf Invitational.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar R. D Win and Jonas Knox On.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
As soon as our show ended yesterday, we basically got
word of Hall of Fame offensive lineman Larry Allen passing
away at the age of fifty two and a sad
day obviously for a lot of those Cowboys fans out there.
His family friends loved ones, many of those that played
with them, obviously, those that played against him, you know,
(00:36):
probably the same to a degree, even though he was
arguably the most dominant player that I can think back
to in my lifetime. I was a rookie when we
got the opportunity the very last game of the season
to play against the San Francisco Fort Niners team that
had Larry Allen on it. And I don't know that
I've seen a man ever be that large and that athletic,
(00:58):
even at the end of his career.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I've seen a lot of men lards, and I've seen
a lot of men athletic in my day. Dudes like
Big DG. Daryl Garner, guys like Leon Lett and who
Alonso's spellman. I've seen some big dudes. I've never seen
(01:22):
a dude built to play.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Larry Allen is to offensive line in the offensive side
of the ball to Reggie White on the defensive side
of the ball. That's the comp right, And when you
talk about that comp Reggie White is considered by a
lot of people to be one of the most dominant
defensive players. Even in the conversation with lt is, in
(01:52):
the conversations with one of the most physically dominating.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Players to ever played this game. That was Allen.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
On on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And you said you met in your rookie year. So
did I. I met that man my rookie year.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And and and at my age and at that time,
q I did not think that what took place with
him was possible for me. And it was one of
the most eye opening experiences, humbling experiences.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's like I'm named after Coon takent A. Right. Have
you ever seen the movie The Roots, You'll understand where
I'm at right now.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
When he held up Coon takenty to the skies and said, behold,
the only thing greater than yourself, right, And basically it
is like the universe is like it's it's God.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I never thought that I would meet a man that
would make me rethink that there was something greater than myself.
And when I hit him for the first time, and
I remember because during the course of the week, everybody said,
(03:21):
everybody slips the block on Larry Island. Nobody ever wrong
arms Larry Allen, Nobody ever does it like you could try,
Many have tried, many have come, many have failed. Like
I'm going to wrong arm this dude, Like you gotta
be kidding me, Like not only am I going to
wrong arming, but I'm gonna show him what this is
(03:43):
all about, Like this is what it is? This like
this is that new era of NFL. This is six
foot four, six y three, two hundred and fifty pounds
of raw coming at you, right, and we're in this game.
And sure enough, first series, the man pools, right, I
(04:05):
go to hit him. And this is when I knew
things was different, Like this was just something altogether of
a different Like is he here?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Is he?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Is he from this world? Is he from this place?
I hit the man, the man hits me. We hit
each other as hard as we possibly can have. So
I definitely did what I said I was going to do.
The only problem that happened, Q was my body stopped
right My body came to a complete stop, and the
(04:38):
sweat on my jersey kept going. That was like, that
was an eye opening experience. I had never seen sweat
come off of a jersey in a moment the way
that it did right then and there. And my body
came to a complete stop. Zero boom, going one hundred
(05:01):
miles an hour. Zero stopped boom, but my sweat kept going.
My sweat was still going after the ball. Maybe my
spirit was still going after the ball too, but my
physical body, yeah, it stayed right.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Where was that? He gave you an outer body experience? Hey, bro?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
When I sat there and was able to breathe again
because he hit me in my chest. He caught me
in my chest. When I was able to breathe again
and realize the magnitude of what happened, I basically said
to myself, Okay, like this is in college anymore, like
I've been skating through this season. This is like like
(05:43):
this is real like that, like there are people that
exist that can do And then I looked at him,
And when I looked at him, he had one of
the blankest stairs that that you'd ever see, like like
a killer, like like you was out there in the
wilderness with this man and he was hunting you. And
that began for me a career along.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Of going head to head and thumping with the other. La.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I had to hear LA for an entire four quarters
twice a year, and.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It wasn't me and you would hear it like la la,
damn la la la the whole entire time.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Everything went through what Larry Allen did when he was
on that line of scrimmage, and so as a player,
because I did not know him as a man, like
we were in the Pro Bowl together.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
He didn't say much. I was there.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I was there, like standing there when that man grabbed
that two twenty five and it looked like he was lifting,
you know, two barbells of twenty five. I was there
when he did it. And and to just experience how
physically gifted this man was. Again, a lot of people
(07:12):
may not have known it. People have heard his name,
but people may not have known it enough to reverence
it like we do. You know different you know positions,
skill sets, say it's a thankless job. But man, I
tell you, as a player, it was an honor and
a pleasure to go against him and knowing the guys
(07:33):
like like all the dudes that I know that played
for played with Larry Allen. I talked to Spice Adam yesterday.
I saw Emitt Smith, Like, guys were really really broken up.
They're really broken.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Up over him, you know, passing away. And to me,
that's all two years old.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Bro's It's an ultimate testament of who he was to
the people who knew him and cared about him, because
they weren't broken up because he was a dope football player.
They're broken up because somebody that they truly admired, loved
and appreciated passed away at such an early age.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Man, I think it draws the light too as we
look at the current stance right now in the NFL
of you know, the owners winning eighteen games, trying the
players trying to push and manipulate the offseason.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And just the give and take of what is always
the collective bargain agreement.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Is I keep harpening on lifetime healthcare, you know, trying
to find ways of doing more that's going to help
protect those that came before you.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
This is an example of that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
You know, some of the different issues that guys have
been having in regards to their bodies because of the
overuse of tortal or even ibuprofen and other things that
you know probably were at the time thought that it
was okay and now not so much. Right, the medical
industry might have changed depinion on that. I'm not going
to go down that rabbit hole, as obviously the medical
(09:05):
industry has changed depending on some of the things that
have occurred in the past few years. But the point
is is like this is a moment in time with
the NFLPA. Instead of going for getting to free agency
sooner or some of the stuff that Albert Brier has mentioned,
I'll just call it crap because it doesn't actually become
the high tide that raises all boats. You could go
to something that would help, you know, a player, and
(09:27):
who knows if there's a way of preventing this for
Larry Allen to allow him to grow older an age
and you know, I allow people to continue to appreciate
the man that he was, whatever the case may be,
though he had to have been one of the most
dominant players. I think your comp to Reggie White is
pretty fair, but it also takes me back to a
(09:48):
time when the.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Pro Bowl used to be cool. It used to be fun.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Because Larry Allen would putting together the bench press competition
and he would be on fold a spo of how
strong and just how ridiculous he really was, and it
was It took me back to those days of like
the Quarterback Challenge, the quarterback competitions and everything else that
came along with it, when the NFL used to have
a race of the fastest man, you know, all those
(10:16):
things that the NFL used to do, Like he was
one of those, I guess i'd say, like prize people
that made it go, that made it work, that if
you were tuning into that, you wanted to see Larry
Allen throw up two twenty five a b jillion times.
I mean, it's just it's sad to see him go.
He was an unbelievable obviously Hall of Fame player, but
(10:38):
as you had touched on from a lot of people
that know Larry alln feel like he was the type
of Hall of Fame person as well. So man, thoughts
and prayers, yeah, yeah, respect, Like you said, thoughts in prayers,
I mean straight respect, man, straight respect. There's a few
dudes that when you think about you just get choked
(10:58):
up because of the admiration that you had for them
and how you compete it against one another. And I'm
proud and I'm lucky enough to say that I was
one of the ones that was a part of experiencing
and being a part of that greatness to a degree
into a capacity. So yeah, man, respect, man, big big
(11:23):
respect to Larry Allen and too his family.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Hey Gang, Listen Jay Glazer, host of Unbreakable, a mental
wealth podcast, and every week we will have on leader
from sports entertainment like Sean McVay, Lindsay Vaughn, Michael Phelt,
David Spade, got Fiemmi and also those who can help
us in between the ears, anyone from a therapistunke ed
milette for John Gordon. We've all been through some sort
(12:03):
of adversity to get to the top.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
We've all used different tools.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer and Mental Wealth podcast
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get podcasts.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Justin Jefferson, he did ink a gigantic deal. He he
could get a Southwest Jet. I'll tell you that name.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Jefferson one of the best to do it, in my opinion,
the best to do when he's healthy. I think the
stats and the accolades backed that up the past few years.
He gets a four year, one hundred and forty million dollars.
That's new money average of thirty five million per year.
That's the highest non quarterback average annual value AAV as
(12:46):
they like to say, in NFL history. He gets one
hundred and ten million total one guarantees almost eighty nine
million at signing. This was assumed, We're presumed to take
your tapping some point this offseason. Minnesota obviously feels very
highly about Justin Sett and Jefferson allowing Kirk Cousins Daniel
(13:07):
Hunter leaving free agency and draft their replacements, as compared
to Justin Jefferson, where yeah, maybe there were some calls,
maybe there's a speculation of them trading up, but at.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The end of the day they get the deal done. LeVar.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
This is one to me that where when you hear
about a guy resetting the market for a position. Oftentimes
you end up saying, yeah, they're a really good player,
but it's just their time. This is different. This is
the best receiver. It makes a lot of sense as
to why he would be resetting the market.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
It's very justified, and you don't want to have him upset,
you know, hitting into this. This this is his final year.
Right if he finishes out this season without a deal,
then he can do the same thing that Kirk Cousins did, Right,
he can he can decide that he wants to test
(13:57):
the market, and believe you me, if they were going
to keep him in Minnesota at that point, it was
going to cost way way more perceivably now for Justin Jefferson.
The reason why I think it's it's pretty pretty smart
and pretty pretty advantageous. I said, I mentioned this before.
(14:19):
If I'm him and I had a little bit of
issues with my hamstring and stuff like this this past season,
I don't want to take any chances and I want
to try to get my money now because I had
no idea how it's going to play out with my
quarterback situation. So I'm going to leverage that right now
(14:41):
so I don't have to go back to the table
and try to demand a top a top contract after
maybe not having the best of seasons for one and
then two the year before kind of dealing with not
not being there for all the games and being as
productive as could have been. And so now you put
(15:02):
two years back to back. So Minnesota did the right
thing because you got to play the odds here. You
don't want to lose Kirk Cousins this year and then
lose Justin Jefferson the next year. It just doesn't seem
like you're trying to win as an organization if you
allow that to happen. So now he resets the market,
(15:22):
and so quickly you sit there and you say, well,
damn if Justin Jefferson, knowing what you just said is correct,
is that he is probably the top guy, arguably the
top guy when he is healthy. You're still looking at
it from the perspective of Jamar Chase and CD Lamb
(15:43):
are going what is their contract going to look like?
Are they going to get as much? Are they going
to get more? Are they going to reset the market?
Where does this go now? Because now Jefferson is what
the number two highest paid outside of.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
A back is it? No? How you stated value.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Now the highest annual value yep, that's I mean no
money average comes out to thirty five million per year.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
He was scheduled to make around nineteen million plus this year.
So that so, just so folks out there understand, not
this matters a bunch, but this is typically what agents
do to make themselves look good and peacock around and
pound their chest. They typically released to the to the
media the new money average. So in essence, the deal is,
(16:33):
you know, four years, one hundred and forty million new money.
That doesn't include the nineteen point seven so that was
in the final year of his deal. That's averaged into it,
which then brings down that value so it's not quite
as high. And then that's typically how agents report it.
They want to make themselves look good. They want their
player to think that they did the best job that
anyone's ever done for a non quarterback, even though that's
(16:54):
typically not usually how this goes. But I digress. You
brought up the point of jamar Cha Ceedee Lamb. That's
kind of where the conversation pivots because if you look
at the accolades, I think Ceedee Lamb is closest based
on his accomplishments what he's done.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
He's got more receiving touchdowns at this point.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't think he has as many All pros and
doesn't have quite as many yards, but he is also
a player that's been ascending every single year. He's gotten better,
better and better. Similar with Justin Jefferson for that matter.
So Ceedee Lamb to me would be the next one
that would be up for it if someone's going to
surpass it. But they haven't figured out an extension for
(17:33):
Dak Prescott. Doesn't seem like they're going to Micah Parsons
hasn't been going to involuntary excuse me, voluntary otias, and
he wants a new deal even though he has.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Two years left on his deal.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But if you're the Dallas Cowboys, you only have yourself
to blame because every single player that has two years
left on their deal and they've proven to be one
of the best in the league, they're gonna come knock
at the door.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
You already did it with Zeke Elliott. You set the precedent.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And that's what we talk about oftentimes in the NFL
and really in business, is once you set the precedent,
every agent, every player after that point is.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Going to get the same thing. They should the same treatment.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So that's what makes show us more difficult for Ceedee
Lamb and then for Jamar Chase. Beside Burrow last year
to a huge deal, you've got Tiggins under the franchise
tag or excuseman Higgins.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
T Higgins, he's under the franchise tag.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
So that leaves Jamar Chase another guy with two years
left on his deal because they've picked up the fifth
year option as a potential player to get that extension. However,
like something's got to give. Either they got to move
on from t Higgins so that one year franchise tag
isn't heading the salary cap, or you know, they just
I guess play out this year, maybe kick the can
(18:47):
down the road for a year if you're.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
The Bengal's doing with Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But it is a little bit cheaper if they can
get it done now as opposed to waiting another year
from now. The question just comes, you know, how much
of they willing to sign in a signing bonus in
you know, total guarantees. The Brown family and it Daddy
does not have as deep a pockets as Jerry Jones.
For example, and the wealthiest franchise in sports in the
(19:13):
world right now in the Dallas Cowboys. So it's harder
for them to be able to shell out the cash
that they need to shell out in a signing bonus
and in guarantees because there's those monies as soon as
you guarantee, you know, as soon as you sign them
to that contract. Whatever's in guarantees has to be put
an escrow. From the ownership side, it's hard to do
if you're an ownership that doesn't have deep pockets. So
(19:34):
that's what complicates the Jamar Chase effort to surpass what
would be, you know, the biggest non quarterback contract.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
In NFL history for Justin Jefferson. But you know who
I'm going to want to hear that. You know who's
not going want to hear it?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Who the players Like, Oh, you have to put it
all in escrow. Huh okay that for you pay me?
Oh so you mean that, yeah, you pay me Like, no,
there are no there are no if ends butts about it, qualifiers, this.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
That, and the other.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
These dudes that are playing at that elite level are
coming for the contracts that they want or are they
going to go somewhere else. They're going to go somewhere else,
And I wonder how does that all play out? Like,
these guys are going to have what what are these
these franchises going to have to do? They're going to
have to exercise franchise tags, Like how how.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Does this all play out?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
You're gonna have some disgruntal players because this is it
just seemingly everything that you just mentioned, It just seems
like these these some of these these UH franchises are
not going to be able to satisfy what what the
player is going to ask for, like you said, it
can be done. Are they going to be willing to
(20:53):
make the concessions and conceive what it is that they're
going to have to do in order to make some
of these contracts, you know, make them come come through
because they don't have to accept the contract offer. If
it's put out there. You could put it out there
and say, hey, we offered the guy a really really
fair deal and he denied it. He didn't want to
(21:13):
do it, you know. So there's there's a lot of
factors that could play into how all of this plays out.
Everybody has to want to play ball. Both sides got
to want to make a deal happen in order for
it to happen. But it's interesting because the question will
continue to persist in terms of is there a bubble
(21:34):
on NFL contracts right?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
And then doesn't pop? I don't know that it will pop.
As long as the salary cap continues to keep increasing in.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Value and as long as Roger Goodell in the NFL
keep finding ways of generating revenue, it's it's hard for
to think it's going to pop. And so the only
thing that ultimately kills the Golden goose would be a workstoppage.
If you look at it this way, it would be
a workstop And with the way players are being compensated now,
(22:05):
I don't see that coming anytime soon. Because the guys
who are at the top that typically lead, that are
these stars of the league. They're not willing to pass
up the opportunity to make a ton of money. And
the guys who are on the other bottom of the league,
you know, the lower you know, economic earners, those guys
need the money and so there's really no one in
(22:28):
between that's one to say, hey, this is what we
need to do, this is what's best for our union
in order to get what we want in our collective
bargain agreement, whatever that may be. And so that's that's
the difficulty of you know, looking at it from that
standpoint saying.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like, well, how how does this get messed up?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And the only other thing I can think of, and
I've floated this idea before, is if some foreign entity
I think we know kind of how that works watching
live sport, gets heavily involved and they try to start.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Up a league or a competitive league, maybe global league.
Maybe that's some of the.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Concern too about the NFL looking more internationally, is there
a bit concern about, you know, how fast something could
start up and be an a media competition to their product.
I could we could say this sounds like a fairy tale.
The truth is the Live Tour didn't start up that
long ago, and it's literally brought things to a point
(23:22):
now with the PGA Tour. Eventually they're gonna have to
come to an agreement because they just don't have as
much money to be able to compete long term. Especially
the Live Tourke. He's poaching player after player after player.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
PN Medinos everybody, it is two pros and a cup
of Joe.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Jonas knocks out one more day. So this is my
last day as a fill in for the last hour
you just to fill in.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Have you enjoyed your so I have after this good
live show up from the tire rack dot Com studios.
Ti rack dot com.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
We'll help you out there with an unmatched selection, fast,
free shipping, free road hazard protection, and over ten thousand
recommended installers.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Tire rack dot com the way tire buying should be.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I see, you guys have really been just just gardening
those NFL topics, using your tools, pruning of experience, getting
into Justin Jefferson. Is Sam Darnald his quarterback? Now that
the bad guy from a toy story?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Why are you gonna Why are you gonna do that
to an s Colum? I love Sam Darnald. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It was a time that I was watching Sam Donald
play and I was like, that's one of the best,
the most unique and fun you USC quarterback that I've ever.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Seen to watch. He was spectacular.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I mean he did stuff that Carson didn't do, Liner
didn't do, Barkley guys like that.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
He was just spectacular.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He made my play, Yeah, absolutely, I mean guys would
close in on the pocket and things would collapse around
him and he would jump up like a volleyball player
and throw it downfield. I mean he he did some
pretty spectacular things in that Rose Bowl victory, which was
Clay Hilton's like death rattle over Penn State. Speaking of
(25:34):
by the way, Clay Helton's era there and then you're
probably gonna lash out of me for asking this question,
but how different really was the high points of Clay
Helton's era and where Lincoln Riley's at now?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Not different at all?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay, I mean other than well, look, the Rose Bowl
victory over Penn State was pretty significant for Clay.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
A Heisman Trophy winner for I'm sorry about that, LeVar.
A Heisman Trophy winner for for Lincoln. That's you know,
that means a lot in recruiting and the Caleb Williams thing.
But you're right, I mean, at this point, flip a coin, right,
Other than the fact that Lincoln Riley had proven success
(26:19):
as a head coach somewhere else, I would describe. And
I'm sure there's you know, SC fans sothern cal fans
you take issue with this, but it's been a disappointment
his tenure there thus far.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Maybe that'll change.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, the first year was pretty impactful and they did
great things and they played for the PAC twelfth title
and if they won that.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Winning, No they didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You're right if you, if you, Here's all I'm saying is,
if you spend one hundred million dollars ninety ont a coach.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Ninety million. But let's just throw in the house, let's throw.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
In the nil everything else that went along with it,
which is probably even more than that, right, ninety yeah, right,
But I'm saying, how much money do you think they
put in nil?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Do you think that in nothing? I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay, They'll just me to be involved with their nil
and I have them get involved in, get involved, start
taking some dope. Anybody, shake it down. I'm not going
to dinner. I'm not going None of that is happening. Yes,
we need to box that off. I've been on that,
but I won't do it.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, I have a lot of other people. You're got
a price, petterss. I'm bet on it ninety million, one
hundred million, whatever, you get my point, Like it's a disappointment.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I think there's LSU fans right now who because of
their win over Alabama and beating Nick Saban. I believe
in Brian Kelly's first year that was like a moment
of oh okay, we did it, like they can't beat Utah.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
No, you're right.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I mean I don't have I got no beef with
saying that Lincoln Riley's been a disappointment. I think having
to fire the whole defensive staff and the ad that
hired him, being exposed as an idiot, the old bon
A Reno and all those things that happen. He's still excited.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, No, I think he's been humiliated and he's hiding
back in Ohio. But that's really good to hide, right.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
No, I'm just that's where he's from, you know now
that time at Cincinnati anyway, I just I saw the
Justin Jefferson thing, and I don't have much to say about,
Like this guy got paid. It's like, okay, great, you know,
a great NFL player. But I was wondering who the
quarterback is, and I thought.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
JJ McCarthy is eventually going to be the guy. Oh
because because he's from the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
No, because when you draft him that high, you're sending
a signal to everyone out there like this is going
to be our guy. You don't think Sam Donald can
just take his chain and then send JJ McCarthy packing.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
No, I don't know that. He's like Flynn did to
Russell Wilson at Seattle. O.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Wait, yeah, okay, I just want Sam Donald to, you know,
not be an NFL failure of circumstance.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I want to, like, I was really hoping. I shouldn't
say hoping.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I was really curious to see if perty got hurt
last year, like a larger sample size of what Sam
donal would look like in a Kylee Shanahan system, because
my theory was he was going to ball out, and
that system is favorable to any quarterback that plays in it,
which I mean Kevin O'Connell's system isn't that far removed either,
So I am really curious if he does get the
(29:19):
first shot when you're throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jordan
Addison and you saw firsthand In Hockinson and Aaron Jones
is back there now in the backfield with Kevin O'Connell
calling plays like he should be able to put up some.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Good stats and flourish in that system. I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, look, I mean I talked about this two days
ago with you guys, now that we're doing some hardcore
sports talk, and maybe for a guy college football Hall
of famer like and I heard that new classes out,
but maybe for a guy like I don't know. I
think you put LeVar on any team in the NFL
at his time, and you know, you make Pro Bowls.
(29:56):
Your quarnerback is such a and I have no frame
of reference other than talking to quarterbacks and having the
experience of watching guys develop over the years. But I mean,
if you get picked by the wrong NFL team, it
really is the difference between a long and storied career
(30:18):
and people not really thinking of you as a great
NFL quarterback. I mean, it's a tough, tough circumstance for
quarterbacks in the NFL as far as where you're picked.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Is that true? I mean it feels pretty true.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I mean, look my journey, I guess because I want
so many different places. I felt that way, you know,
and I think even just like forget the NFL. For example,
just look at my college experience. Granted I was young
when I played as a true freshman, but you know
I wanted to go to Notre Dame and one of
the reasons was.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It was a West Coast system with Ty Willingham.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Now, that system and our play caller, it wasn't necessarily
the best, at least compared to what it was the
last two years, but I quickly learned the difference in
me play caller and the ability for that play caller
to give you more autonomy in the offense, and how
that can play a role in what you can do
out there on the field. So yeah, the situation circumstance
(31:15):
you're born into or you inherit sometimes plays a large
role in that. I would generally compare it like this,
like we all go on trips, right, and you have
different ways or modes of transportation of getting there, and
for the most part, like you want as little variables
that can come into play that could disrupt your ability
(31:37):
to get from point A to point B. Right, So
if you're driving, you're taking a train, you're flying, whatever
the case is. Like, when you start looking at the
reason why people hate travel, it's because there's all these variables, right, Like,
for example, I've got to fly out from Miami.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Well, there's traffic, So do I train? Do I drive?
How do I go about doing that? Last time I
tried to do it, there's an accident.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
There's all these different variables that play a part and
not being able to ultimately get to you where you
want to go. The plane gets delayed, the customer service
is terrible. Levar's lamented about that for for years now.
Are you not a good traveler?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
LeVar? I'm a great traveler. Someone described it as hostile.
Not by way I've been. I've been described as hostile,
but that's not true.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Like when you say you're a great traveler, is it
like saying you know, Genghis Khan was a great warrior,
Like you're a great traveler, but you're also brutal and angry.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I will say I get very disappointed when I'm delayed
and that delay.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Causes me to miss a flight. Who do you take
that out on? I don't Why are you trying to
bake me here?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well, I'm well, because I'm a tar, I don't travel.
I mean I literally don't travel because I'm in a gorrophobe,
and I hate traveling that much, and if there is
a delay on the plane, I might start squirming like
a super.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Well, I will say I would. Ye.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm not aggressive, I'm not belligerent. I actually I try
to be very very accommodating unless I'm being being talked
to in a way where I feel like I'm being
brushed off or that in this moment where something is
(33:18):
more important, like getting back to my kids or whatever
it may be, seems to be a joke, Like then
I turn into an a.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Hole, Like somebody say that to you in the Planet
Kids Petros almost exactly the same exact way.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Customer service lady laughed at me, like like okay, like
you're trying to get back to your kids and like,
but but lady, I paid for a ticket, Like it's
not like I'm asking you to do me a solid, Like, hey,
do me a solid, do me a favor. No, you
didn't sit there and say, oh, you know what, let's
(34:01):
be delayed and let's cancel payment on on you getting
you know, but we're going to give you the ticket anyway.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
You don't do that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
You're not sitting there delaying us on being able to
pay for what it is that we're the service that
we're paying for. So my whole thing is is why
do you act so brand new when when customer service
is supposed to be a part of you accommodating the
people that pay for Come on, man, that's.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
All I'm saying. I'm with you. This is exactly how
I explain it. Yes, and it's exactly how I explain it, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
So so, not to get off on a crazy wild tangent,
but just to touch on what Petrus has asked and
what you responded to the way you said, how if
you if I get delayed, I'm just beside myself baby, right, Well,
that's in essence what it's like when you're a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I've tackle block and everybody thinks it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
There's there's an element there the plays of rolling, there's
an element to the receiver, there's an elements to the
the play design, and sometimes just you know, different things
you could do or things you could have changed beforehand
whether or not you're getting that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
So there's all those things.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
That obviously like play a factor into it, But there
is no position that's more I guess reliant on what's
around them. Now that being said, I personally believe, though
there's still a select few that no matter where they go,
they're gonna be able to elevate what's around them. Like
Patrick mahomes is that Tom Brady is that. I personally
believe Aaron Rodgers's that you think Brady?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I do.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I honestly think Tom Brady like, of course he developed
him too whatever, he was right, But I think Tom
Brady gets picked somewhere else and he works at Enterprise
rent a car.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Dang, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't know that I'll pick you out only because
we saw him go to Tampa and do it and
yeah later sure, sure, But so if you're saying at
the beginning of his career, who knows.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
But it wasn't like that was the easiest situation to
enter it into either.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, but it was like plinko, like we've talked about
the other day. You could be right. And I remember
Mahomes I mean I called I don't know, maybe three
or four. Did you You might have seen Texas time
I called there, you know the text, oh that crazy one. Yeah, yeah,
Mayfield versus and I saw look, I saw Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I don't know, four or five times in Lubbock.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Outside of Lubbock, I saw him once where he just
looked like dog ass, could barely play.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Probably was hurt.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
And it's not like it's not like we didn't see
that he was a talented guy, right, yeah, But watching
him at Texas Tech, I didn't say, Wow, this is
you know, this is the next guy.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Certainly no one said that about Brady when he was
at Michigan. And it's interesting because because I know Andy
Reid a little bit. I know him, I see him
around just through family friends, and that's been a long
long time, and I don't know, I feel like Andy Reid,
maybe it's revision is history. But everybody was criticizing Pat's
(36:58):
footwork and his inability to play within an offense coming
out of Cliff Kingsbury's weird offense, which is, you know,
not viable of what they were doing at Texas Tag.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Which side note.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's funny how everyone's like, oh, you know, Jayden Daniels
and Cliff Kingsbury's offensive.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Washington are like, yeah, so what, yeah, what's that going
to do for you? Like, what do we expect to happen?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Were got to run a little screen on the back
side of this play. Okay, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
So you know I didn't see that, but it happened.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
But I mean, you could be absolutely right, Brady, and
you understand quarterbacking more than I do. But to me,
it's just it's a confounding thing that these quarterbacks only
one guy can play at a time. You get picked
and in many ways you're a victim of circumstance, and
people don't look at it like that.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
They looking like it's your fault, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And I think the hardest thing about for Jaj McCarthy
and even like Drake may who I think was taking
third team reps the last time I looked, it was
Jacoby Brissett, Bailey Zappi, then Drake Man. I'm like, dude,
you guys spent the three overall pick like, like, let
the guy get reps in play because it's experience. Like
I think we all can relate with the fact that
(38:08):
the more we do something, the better we're all gonna
get out. I don't care what you want to say,
I truly believe that if you're going to do something
ten thousand times, I think we're all going to be
better at the end of those ten thousand reps. Now
there might be variations and who's better than who, but
I think we're all going to improve well. And there's
also the variables of like who's on drugs, you know,
(38:28):
who's on the T train?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, I'm not sure where that really you know falls
in there, but yes, it's the circumstance of life.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yes, that's a circumstance of life. Baby mom is causing
trouble exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
But the general point is when you're sitting behind two
of their guys who are getting those reps, you're like,
all right, Like this isn't helping me, Like the mental
rep thing. It's real to a degree, but there's a
very you know, it's like walking into one of those
like nineteen forties homes that the ceilings were like seven
and a half eats tall.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
It's a very short ceiling, you know, now to hit
your head when do you go to the basement.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It's interesting, LeVar, because one of my best friends growing
up and who recently passed, Clark Hagen's a linebacker who
I played high school football with and we remained close
for years and played for the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
You know, It's very interesting path that he had.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
He was drafted like in the fourth round, and he
was kind of a pass rushing combo with Joey Porter
everywhere he went.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
But Clark didn't play that much early.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I mean he played, he was good, but he was
able to rest his body the first couple of years,
sign a second contract. You know, ended up having a
fourteen year career. And it's a little different for other
positions where you can come in and kind of ease
your way into it. That doesn't happen with quarterbacks anymore.
Sometimes sometimes he's your way in. Yeah, sometimes you can
(39:53):
ease your way in. But I mean, Mahomes technically did
I guess you say Britty technically did to some degree.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Sure, some would say easing your way in is the
best way to get in there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
And I remember Carson played behind John Kittna. I remember that, Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
So it is a but speaking of football and pro
football and the building of a team, yesterday I had
to leave my cocoon after doing two pros and a
cup of pee here the final hour and I will
be back tomorrow, but just just on for my normal guests.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
I think we should just keep this. I just think
we should kind of just keep doing it. There'd have
to be a raised involved no, but I do it.
I mean I don't, that's out of my jurisdiction.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
But there's that half hour when I wake up that
I'm paying. I'm pretty bitter. But once I get on
and get rolling. But the other thing I have to
do is like read the shampoo bottle or like a
label of something to like sort of warm up my
voice because my voice isn't the same.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Is that a good way of stars the shampoo bottle?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I mean I did once when I was in the
shower with my mother in law's here, so I'm not
going in that bathroom to take a shower. So today
I just read the Maker's mark bottle downstairs here, Maker's
Mark Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. By the way, your bitterness
in the first thirty minutes after you wake up is
well received on our show, So I mean, I think
(41:17):
we're the perfect landing spot for you to wake up
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'll dog get out some of that bitterness. I'll do it. No,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I need to talk to Shappy, but I did yesterday
when I did not drive far from my house. Actually
I drove to the same and a similar route to
where Tiger Woods blew.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Up his legs here in the bang.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Well, that's I'm just I was driving to the Rolling
Hills Country Club, which is where Tiger Woods was driving
when his legs fell off. Victor Brick on our show,
did you hear what Vic the Brick said about that? No,
he was reaching for a pill. I was like, no, Vic,
And then like a year later we were a year
later we were like, yeah, yeah, I think you were right.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Vic. I'm sorry that we corrected you.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
But I met with many of the Chargers yesterday at
the golf tournament. As you guys know, we have the
Chargers on the AM five seventy. Well we don't. We
play him on an FM station, but my radio partner,
Matt Smith is the voice of the Chargers. He's there
play by playguy on the radio. So I do all
these events with him because we do the show together.
(42:22):
And saw a lot of people yesterday that we talked
to Joe.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Alt in person.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Dude, you know, I mean it's such a cliche to say, wow,
I saw that football player and he was really big.
You know what I mean, Like I met Howie Long
and I was shocked at how big he is. And
but it's true, right yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Mean he's abtruptively big, like we're around big people all
the time.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
And then you like shake how He Long's hands and
you feel like you're shaking the hand of like King
Kong or a statue.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
You're like, my god. You know his joints, you know
his elbows.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
He's huge, and uh, Joe Alt looked like and the
left tackle I played with at US he was he's
a right tackle, isn't all. But the left tackle I
played with an s He was six ' eight, but
he looked like an upside down pyramid, right, yeah, this
guy all I mean, he looked like a ship.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Coming into the harbor. He was, he was.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
It looks like a baby, doesn't he there's a baby face.
And he looked miserable in California, just he miserable. Where
do you think he'd be best suited? He's I'm back
in Minnesota, but you know, I mean, look, you can
live in California. Calif The thing about La is that
people don't realize is La is so big and so sprawling.
It really has everything, and it has something for everybody,
(43:44):
even stiffs like Alt and and I say that in
a very deffectionate way. He's just, you know, he's a
Midwestern offensive lineman and that's what he wants to do.
Says he's not going to eat at any restaurants until
his girlfriend gets here, so all he does is eat
at the facility and go home. And the Maconkey guy,
(44:04):
the other draft pick, was like, oh, I like it
here and all. It's like standing off on the side,
like shaking his head. No, it's terrible, but you could
tell that they love playing enough for Jim Harbaugh, and
we talked to Harbaugh and I reconnected with Harbaugh, and
that was interesting to see. Jim he changed the entire
format of the golf tournament to make it more competitive.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
So how did he change the format.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
I don't understand golf, you know, or how, you know,
other than just the traditional way to do it, So
I don't know what he did.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
He sent everybody out in a shotgun way and.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
They only played thirteen holes because him and his brother
used to sneak onto courses and that's all they could
play because they couldn't afford the Kalamazoo Country Club or whatever.
So we got into it with Harbaugh. He whipped his
tattoo out and did all his stuff.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
So that was cool. And he was very Uh, he
was in a good mood if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, can be touch and go, well, yeah I can,
you know, but he was in full Harbor mode, like
he was taking pictures with everybody and showing love.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I mean, okay, it's a It was a golf event,
so it.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Was you think there's a part of that because like
he won the national championship, got the monkey off his back,
like he was the prodigal son who returned the mission
and brought them, you know, brought them that championship.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Do you think that's part of it?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And that was a lightness familiar and all that. Yeah,
the lightness I felt in his his being. And I
guess you know, I've known him since he was a coach.
Did I ever tell you guys about us D and Harbaugh?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
I might have. You said you you covered him then,
but you didn't go Well, no, I had a cousin.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I have a cousin who actually owns a very popular
restaurant called Zuzu's pedals in Long Beach.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Get down a Long Beach too. Uh, it's a brunch place.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
But I have a cousin, Evan, who was up going
down to us D and wanted to uh you know,
wanted to work on the football team or something, you know,
just to do something. And my uncle called me and
asked me to call down there, and sid.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Did he sound when he called you? My uncle? My
uncle doesn't sound like my my uncle, Tommy. I want
you to call Jim Harball. So I super calm, right,
So I was like, okay, you know, I'll call.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I remember I was driving on the one ten and
it was like, you know, like where you had like
the mobile phone like the ericson you know, the one,
the one that came went up to your head and.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
You could just drive with the phone to your head
and no one cared. It was back in those days.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
And I just called the us D University of San
Diego for those of you, uh nationally of course, not
not a D one program, not a D two pro.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
I think they're a D three. Maybe they're D two,
but it certainly it ain't Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
And uh. I remember calling the football office and it
rang twice and the phone got picked up and it
said football and I said yeah, and I said, I'm
looking for Jim Harbaud, like to leave a message this coach.
And I was like, uh, this is Petro's papade. Yeah, Petros,
(47:04):
I know you what's up? And I'm like, Jesus God,
you know too well he remembered, well, then, yeah, I
mean from the PAC twelve or PAC ten games this.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Time too, Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Well I used to call like we used to get
in there, you know, we did a lot of those
Stanford Andrew Lock Toby Gerhart type of games, you know.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
And and that was what I was going to say, LeVar,
Like the way he.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Was acting and how much fun he was having yesterday
reminded me of when Stanford had it going and no
one expected them to be good, and and he was
really kind of enjoying that, you know, And then.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
He were shadowing something here.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Well, I don't know. I mean, he went to the
Niners and what happened the inevitable fight with the with
the GM and and all that they were still getting
the right and then he went to Michigan and times
were a little hard at first until he got all
his people in there, and he seemed like he was
pretty happy with what was going on. But again, I
mean he made some enemies. I mean, he left Michigan
for a reason. But the Chargers, I mean kind of
(48:04):
like the Lincoln Riley you think you guys were talking about.
For better or worse. I don't think the Spanos family
has done this before. I mean, they gave him the
keys of the kingdom, he hired all his people. Everybody
that he wants is there, so uh, and we talked
to most of them. We talked to Trustman and Joe
Hortiz and.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
All these guys. So so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
But I mean, it certainly feels pretty good when you
got Harbaugh around, and I don't know any other coach
like that, do you know. I mean, he is the
most unique personality, and I think the NFL too, will
soon find that out.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
I think they've just got the tip of the iceberg
because they saw him once before. But a heavier dose
of him with this team will be really fun. It's
not the same as Blackbeard the Pirate Ryan Day showing up,
but you know, it's pretty good, all right. I'm sorry
you guys don't like the black Beard joke.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
You had to get that end, didn't you.
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar R. D Win and Jonas Knox On.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
As soon as our show ended yesterday, we basically got
word of Hall of Fame offensive lineman Larry Allen passing
away at the age of fifty two and a sad
day obviously for a lot of those Cowboys fans out there.
His family friends loved ones, many of those that played
with them, obviously, those that played against him, you know,
(00:36):
probably the same to a degree, even though he was
arguably the most dominant player that I can think back
to in my lifetime. I was a rookie when we
got the opportunity the very last game of the season
to play against the San Francisco Fort Niners team that
had Larry Allen on it. And I don't know that
I've seen a man ever be that large and that athletic,
(00:58):
even at the end of his career.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I've seen a lot of men lards, and I've seen
a lot of men athletic in my day. Dudes like
Big DG. Daryl Garner, guys like Leon Lett and who
Alonso's spellman. I've seen some big dudes. I've never seen
(01:22):
a dude built to play.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Larry Allen is to offensive line in the offensive side
of the ball to Reggie White on the defensive side
of the ball. That's the comp right, And when you
talk about that comp Reggie White is considered by a
lot of people to be one of the most dominant
defensive players. Even in the conversation with lt is, in
(01:52):
the conversations with one of the most physically dominating.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Players to ever played this game. That was Allen.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
On on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And you said you met in your rookie year. So
did I. I met that man my rookie year.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And and and at my age and at that time,
q I did not think that what took place with
him was possible for me. And it was one of
the most eye opening experiences, humbling experiences.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's like I'm named after Coon takent A. Right. Have
you ever seen the movie The Roots, You'll understand where
I'm at right now.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
When he held up Coon takenty to the skies and said, behold,
the only thing greater than yourself, right, And basically it
is like the universe is like it's it's God.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I never thought that I would meet a man that
would make me rethink that there was something greater than myself.
And when I hit him for the first time, and
I remember because during the course of the week, everybody said,
(03:21):
everybody slips the block on Larry Island. Nobody ever wrong
arms Larry Allen, Nobody ever does it like you could try,
Many have tried, many have come, many have failed. Like
I'm going to wrong arm this dude, Like you gotta
be kidding me, Like not only am I going to
wrong arming, but I'm gonna show him what this is
(03:43):
all about, Like this is what it is? This like
this is that new era of NFL. This is six
foot four, six y three, two hundred and fifty pounds
of raw coming at you, right, and we're in this game.
And sure enough, first series, the man pools, right, I
(04:05):
go to hit him. And this is when I knew
things was different, Like this was just something altogether of
a different Like is he here?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Is he?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Is he from this world? Is he from this place?
I hit the man, the man hits me. We hit
each other as hard as we possibly can have. So
I definitely did what I said I was going to do.
The only problem that happened, Q was my body stopped
right My body came to a complete stop, and the
(04:38):
sweat on my jersey kept going. That was like, that
was an eye opening experience. I had never seen sweat
come off of a jersey in a moment the way
that it did right then and there. And my body
came to a complete stop. Zero boom, going one hundred
(05:01):
miles an hour. Zero stopped boom, but my sweat kept going.
My sweat was still going after the ball. Maybe my
spirit was still going after the ball too, but my
physical body, yeah, it stayed right.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Where was that? He gave you an outer body experience? Hey, bro?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
When I sat there and was able to breathe again
because he hit me in my chest. He caught me
in my chest. When I was able to breathe again
and realize the magnitude of what happened, I basically said
to myself, Okay, like this is in college anymore, like
I've been skating through this season. This is like like
(05:43):
this is real like that, like there are people that
exist that can do And then I looked at him,
And when I looked at him, he had one of
the blankest stairs that that you'd ever see, like like
a killer, like like you was out there in the
wilderness with this man and he was hunting you. And
that began for me a career along.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Of going head to head and thumping with the other. La.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I had to hear LA for an entire four quarters
twice a year, and.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It wasn't me and you would hear it like la la,
damn la la la the whole entire time.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Everything went through what Larry Allen did when he was
on that line of scrimmage, and so as a player,
because I did not know him as a man, like
we were in the Pro Bowl together.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
He didn't say much. I was there.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I was there, like standing there when that man grabbed
that two twenty five and it looked like he was lifting,
you know, two barbells of twenty five. I was there
when he did it. And and to just experience how
physically gifted this man was. Again, a lot of people
(07:12):
may not have known it. People have heard his name,
but people may not have known it enough to reverence
it like we do. You know different you know positions,
skill sets, say it's a thankless job. But man, I
tell you, as a player, it was an honor and
a pleasure to go against him and knowing the guys
(07:33):
like like all the dudes that I know that played
for played with Larry Allen. I talked to Spice Adam yesterday.
I saw Emitt Smith, Like, guys were really really broken up.
They're really broken.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Up over him, you know, passing away. And to me,
that's all two years old.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Bro's It's an ultimate testament of who he was to
the people who knew him and cared about him, because
they weren't broken up because he was a dope football player.
They're broken up because somebody that they truly admired, loved
and appreciated passed away at such an early age.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Man, I think it draws the light too as we
look at the current stance right now in the NFL
of you know, the owners winning eighteen games, trying the
players trying to push and manipulate the offseason.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And just the give and take of what is always
the collective bargain agreement.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Is I keep harpening on lifetime healthcare, you know, trying
to find ways of doing more that's going to help
protect those that came before you.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
This is an example of that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
You know, some of the different issues that guys have
been having in regards to their bodies because of the
overuse of tortal or even ibuprofen and other things that
you know probably were at the time thought that it
was okay and now not so much. Right, the medical
industry might have changed depinion on that. I'm not going
to go down that rabbit hole, as obviously the medical
(09:05):
industry has changed depending on some of the things that
have occurred in the past few years. But the point
is is like this is a moment in time with
the NFLPA. Instead of going for getting to free agency
sooner or some of the stuff that Albert Brier has mentioned,
I'll just call it crap because it doesn't actually become
the high tide that raises all boats. You could go
to something that would help, you know, a player, and
(09:27):
who knows if there's a way of preventing this for
Larry Allen to allow him to grow older an age
and you know, I allow people to continue to appreciate
the man that he was, whatever the case may be,
though he had to have been one of the most
dominant players. I think your comp to Reggie White is
pretty fair, but it also takes me back to a
(09:48):
time when the.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Pro Bowl used to be cool. It used to be fun.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Because Larry Allen would putting together the bench press competition
and he would be on fold a spo of how
strong and just how ridiculous he really was, and it
was It took me back to those days of like
the Quarterback Challenge, the quarterback competitions and everything else that
came along with it, when the NFL used to have
a race of the fastest man, you know, all those
(10:16):
things that the NFL used to do, Like he was
one of those, I guess i'd say, like prize people
that made it go, that made it work, that if
you were tuning into that, you wanted to see Larry
Allen throw up two twenty five a b jillion times.
I mean, it's just it's sad to see him go.
He was an unbelievable obviously Hall of Fame player, but
(10:38):
as you had touched on from a lot of people
that know Larry alln feel like he was the type
of Hall of Fame person as well. So man, thoughts
and prayers, yeah, yeah, respect, Like you said, thoughts in prayers,
I mean straight respect, man, straight respect. There's a few
dudes that when you think about you just get choked
(10:58):
up because of the admiration that you had for them
and how you compete it against one another. And I'm
proud and I'm lucky enough to say that I was
one of the ones that was a part of experiencing
and being a part of that greatness to a degree
into a capacity. So yeah, man, respect, man, big big
(11:23):
respect to Larry Allen and too his family.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Hey Gang, Listen Jay Glazer, host of Unbreakable, a mental
wealth podcast, and every week we will have on leader
from sports entertainment like Sean McVay, Lindsay Vaughn, Michael Phelt,
David Spade, got Fiemmi and also those who can help
us in between the ears, anyone from a therapistunke ed
milette for John Gordon. We've all been through some sort
(12:03):
of adversity to get to the top.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
We've all used different tools.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer and Mental Wealth podcast
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get podcasts.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Justin Jefferson, he did ink a gigantic deal. He he
could get a Southwest Jet. I'll tell you that name.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Jefferson one of the best to do it, in my opinion,
the best to do when he's healthy. I think the
stats and the accolades backed that up the past few years.
He gets a four year, one hundred and forty million dollars.
That's new money average of thirty five million per year.
That's the highest non quarterback average annual value AAV as
(12:46):
they like to say, in NFL history. He gets one
hundred and ten million total one guarantees almost eighty nine
million at signing. This was assumed, We're presumed to take
your tapping some point this offseason. Minnesota obviously feels very
highly about Justin Sett and Jefferson allowing Kirk Cousins Daniel
(13:07):
Hunter leaving free agency and draft their replacements, as compared
to Justin Jefferson, where yeah, maybe there were some calls,
maybe there's a speculation of them trading up, but at.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The end of the day they get the deal done. LeVar.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
This is one to me that where when you hear
about a guy resetting the market for a position. Oftentimes
you end up saying, yeah, they're a really good player,
but it's just their time. This is different. This is
the best receiver. It makes a lot of sense as
to why he would be resetting the market.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
It's very justified, and you don't want to have him upset,
you know, hitting into this. This this is his final year.
Right if he finishes out this season without a deal,
then he can do the same thing that Kirk Cousins did, Right,
he can he can decide that he wants to test
(13:57):
the market, and believe you me, if they were going
to keep him in Minnesota at that point, it was
going to cost way way more perceivably now for Justin Jefferson.
The reason why I think it's it's pretty pretty smart
and pretty pretty advantageous. I said, I mentioned this before.
(14:19):
If I'm him and I had a little bit of
issues with my hamstring and stuff like this this past season,
I don't want to take any chances and I want
to try to get my money now because I had
no idea how it's going to play out with my
quarterback situation. So I'm going to leverage that right now
(14:41):
so I don't have to go back to the table
and try to demand a top a top contract after
maybe not having the best of seasons for one and
then two the year before kind of dealing with not
not being there for all the games and being as
productive as could have been. And so now you put
(15:02):
two years back to back. So Minnesota did the right
thing because you got to play the odds here. You
don't want to lose Kirk Cousins this year and then
lose Justin Jefferson the next year. It just doesn't seem
like you're trying to win as an organization if you
allow that to happen. So now he resets the market,
(15:22):
and so quickly you sit there and you say, well,
damn if Justin Jefferson, knowing what you just said is correct,
is that he is probably the top guy, arguably the
top guy when he is healthy. You're still looking at
it from the perspective of Jamar Chase and CD Lamb
(15:43):
are going what is their contract going to look like?
Are they going to get as much? Are they going
to get more? Are they going to reset the market?
Where does this go now? Because now Jefferson is what
the number two highest paid outside of.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
A back is it? No? How you stated value.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Now the highest annual value yep, that's I mean no
money average comes out to thirty five million per year.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
He was scheduled to make around nineteen million plus this year.
So that so, just so folks out there understand, not
this matters a bunch, but this is typically what agents
do to make themselves look good and peacock around and
pound their chest. They typically released to the to the
media the new money average. So in essence, the deal is,
(16:33):
you know, four years, one hundred and forty million new money.
That doesn't include the nineteen point seven so that was
in the final year of his deal. That's averaged into it,
which then brings down that value so it's not quite
as high. And then that's typically how agents report it.
They want to make themselves look good. They want their
player to think that they did the best job that
anyone's ever done for a non quarterback, even though that's
(16:54):
typically not usually how this goes. But I digress. You
brought up the point of jamar Cha Ceedee Lamb. That's
kind of where the conversation pivots because if you look
at the accolades, I think Ceedee Lamb is closest based
on his accomplishments what he's done.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
He's got more receiving touchdowns at this point.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't think he has as many All pros and
doesn't have quite as many yards, but he is also
a player that's been ascending every single year. He's gotten better,
better and better. Similar with Justin Jefferson for that matter.
So Ceedee Lamb to me would be the next one
that would be up for it if someone's going to
surpass it. But they haven't figured out an extension for
(17:33):
Dak Prescott. Doesn't seem like they're going to Micah Parsons
hasn't been going to involuntary excuse me, voluntary otias, and
he wants a new deal even though he has.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Two years left on his deal.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But if you're the Dallas Cowboys, you only have yourself
to blame because every single player that has two years
left on their deal and they've proven to be one
of the best in the league, they're gonna come knock
at the door.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
You already did it with Zeke Elliott. You set the precedent.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And that's what we talk about oftentimes in the NFL
and really in business, is once you set the precedent,
every agent, every player after that point is.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Going to get the same thing. They should the same treatment.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So that's what makes show us more difficult for Ceedee
Lamb and then for Jamar Chase. Beside Burrow last year
to a huge deal, you've got Tiggins under the franchise
tag or excuseman Higgins.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
T Higgins, he's under the franchise tag.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
So that leaves Jamar Chase another guy with two years
left on his deal because they've picked up the fifth
year option as a potential player to get that extension. However,
like something's got to give. Either they got to move
on from t Higgins so that one year franchise tag
isn't heading the salary cap, or you know, they just
I guess play out this year, maybe kick the can
(18:47):
down the road for a year if you're.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
The Bengal's doing with Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But it is a little bit cheaper if they can
get it done now as opposed to waiting another year
from now. The question just comes, you know, how much
of they willing to sign in a signing bonus in
you know, total guarantees. The Brown family and it Daddy
does not have as deep a pockets as Jerry Jones.
For example, and the wealthiest franchise in sports in the
(19:13):
world right now in the Dallas Cowboys. So it's harder
for them to be able to shell out the cash
that they need to shell out in a signing bonus
and in guarantees because there's those monies as soon as
you guarantee, you know, as soon as you sign them
to that contract. Whatever's in guarantees has to be put
an escrow. From the ownership side, it's hard to do
if you're an ownership that doesn't have deep pockets. So
(19:34):
that's what complicates the Jamar Chase effort to surpass what
would be, you know, the biggest non quarterback contract.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
In NFL history for Justin Jefferson. But you know who
I'm going to want to hear that. You know who's
not going want to hear it?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Who the players Like, Oh, you have to put it
all in escrow. Huh okay that for you pay me?
Oh so you mean that, yeah, you pay me Like, no,
there are no there are no if ends butts about it, qualifiers, this.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
That, and the other.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
These dudes that are playing at that elite level are
coming for the contracts that they want or are they
going to go somewhere else. They're going to go somewhere else,
And I wonder how does that all play out? Like,
these guys are going to have what what are these
these franchises going to have to do? They're going to
have to exercise franchise tags, Like how how.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Does this all play out?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
You're gonna have some disgruntal players because this is it
just seemingly everything that you just mentioned, It just seems
like these these some of these these UH franchises are
not going to be able to satisfy what what the
player is going to ask for, like you said, it
can be done. Are they going to be willing to
(20:53):
make the concessions and conceive what it is that they're
going to have to do in order to make some
of these contracts, you know, make them come come through
because they don't have to accept the contract offer. If
it's put out there. You could put it out there
and say, hey, we offered the guy a really really
fair deal and he denied it. He didn't want to
(21:13):
do it, you know. So there's there's a lot of
factors that could play into how all of this plays out.
Everybody has to want to play ball. Both sides got
to want to make a deal happen in order for
it to happen. But it's interesting because the question will
continue to persist in terms of is there a bubble
(21:34):
on NFL contracts right?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
And then doesn't pop? I don't know that it will pop.
As long as the salary cap continues to keep increasing in.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Value and as long as Roger Goodell in the NFL
keep finding ways of generating revenue, it's it's hard for
to think it's going to pop. And so the only
thing that ultimately kills the Golden goose would be a workstoppage.
If you look at it this way, it would be
a workstop And with the way players are being compensated now,
(22:05):
I don't see that coming anytime soon. Because the guys
who are at the top that typically lead, that are
these stars of the league. They're not willing to pass
up the opportunity to make a ton of money. And
the guys who are on the other bottom of the league,
you know, the lower you know, economic earners, those guys
need the money and so there's really no one in
(22:28):
between that's one to say, hey, this is what we
need to do, this is what's best for our union
in order to get what we want in our collective
bargain agreement, whatever that may be. And so that's that's
the difficulty of you know, looking at it from that
standpoint saying.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like, well, how how does this get messed up?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And the only other thing I can think of, and
I've floated this idea before, is if some foreign entity
I think we know kind of how that works watching
live sport, gets heavily involved and they try to start.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Up a league or a competitive league, maybe global league.
Maybe that's some of the.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Concern too about the NFL looking more internationally, is there
a bit concern about, you know, how fast something could
start up and be an a media competition to their product.
I could we could say this sounds like a fairy tale.
The truth is the Live Tour didn't start up that
long ago, and it's literally brought things to a point
(23:22):
now with the PGA Tour. Eventually they're gonna have to
come to an agreement because they just don't have as
much money to be able to compete long term. Especially
the Live Tourke. He's poaching player after player after player.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
PN Medinos everybody, it is two pros and a cup
of Joe.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Jonas knocks out one more day. So this is my
last day as a fill in for the last hour
you just to fill in.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Have you enjoyed your so I have after this good
live show up from the tire rack dot Com studios.
Ti rack dot com.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
We'll help you out there with an unmatched selection, fast,
free shipping, free road hazard protection, and over ten thousand
recommended installers.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Tire rack dot com the way tire buying should be.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I see, you guys have really been just just gardening
those NFL topics, using your tools, pruning of experience, getting
into Justin Jefferson. Is Sam Darnald his quarterback? Now that
the bad guy from a toy story?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Why are you gonna Why are you gonna do that
to an s Colum? I love Sam Darnald. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It was a time that I was watching Sam Donald
play and I was like, that's one of the best,
the most unique and fun you USC quarterback that I've ever.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Seen to watch. He was spectacular.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I mean he did stuff that Carson didn't do, Liner
didn't do, Barkley guys like that.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
He was just spectacular.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He made my play, Yeah, absolutely, I mean guys would
close in on the pocket and things would collapse around
him and he would jump up like a volleyball player
and throw it downfield. I mean he he did some
pretty spectacular things in that Rose Bowl victory, which was
Clay Hilton's like death rattle over Penn State. Speaking of
(25:34):
by the way, Clay Helton's era there and then you're
probably gonna lash out of me for asking this question,
but how different really was the high points of Clay
Helton's era and where Lincoln Riley's at now?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Not different at all?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay, I mean other than well, look, the Rose Bowl
victory over Penn State was pretty significant for Clay.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
A Heisman Trophy winner for I'm sorry about that, LeVar.
A Heisman Trophy winner for for Lincoln. That's you know,
that means a lot in recruiting and the Caleb Williams thing.
But you're right, I mean, at this point, flip a coin, right,
Other than the fact that Lincoln Riley had proven success
(26:19):
as a head coach somewhere else, I would describe. And
I'm sure there's you know, SC fans sothern cal fans
you take issue with this, but it's been a disappointment
his tenure there thus far.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Maybe that'll change.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, the first year was pretty impactful and they did
great things and they played for the PAC twelfth title
and if they won that.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Winning, No they didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You're right if you, if you, Here's all I'm saying is,
if you spend one hundred million dollars ninety ont a coach.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Ninety million. But let's just throw in the house, let's throw.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
In the nil everything else that went along with it,
which is probably even more than that, right, ninety yeah, right,
But I'm saying, how much money do you think they
put in nil?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Do you think that in nothing? I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay, They'll just me to be involved with their nil
and I have them get involved in, get involved, start
taking some dope. Anybody, shake it down. I'm not going
to dinner. I'm not going None of that is happening. Yes,
we need to box that off. I've been on that,
but I won't do it.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, I have a lot of other people. You're got
a price, petterss. I'm bet on it ninety million, one
hundred million, whatever, you get my point, Like it's a disappointment.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I think there's LSU fans right now who because of
their win over Alabama and beating Nick Saban. I believe
in Brian Kelly's first year that was like a moment
of oh okay, we did it, like they can't beat Utah.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
No, you're right.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I mean I don't have I got no beef with
saying that Lincoln Riley's been a disappointment. I think having
to fire the whole defensive staff and the ad that
hired him, being exposed as an idiot, the old bon
A Reno and all those things that happen. He's still excited.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, No, I think he's been humiliated and he's hiding
back in Ohio. But that's really good to hide, right.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
No, I'm just that's where he's from, you know now
that time at Cincinnati anyway, I just I saw the
Justin Jefferson thing, and I don't have much to say about,
Like this guy got paid. It's like, okay, great, you know,
a great NFL player. But I was wondering who the
quarterback is, and I thought.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
JJ McCarthy is eventually going to be the guy. Oh
because because he's from the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
No, because when you draft him that high, you're sending
a signal to everyone out there like this is going
to be our guy. You don't think Sam Donald can
just take his chain and then send JJ McCarthy packing.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
No, I don't know that. He's like Flynn did to
Russell Wilson at Seattle. O.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Wait, yeah, okay, I just want Sam Donald to, you know,
not be an NFL failure of circumstance.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I want to, like, I was really hoping. I shouldn't
say hoping.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I was really curious to see if perty got hurt
last year, like a larger sample size of what Sam
donal would look like in a Kylee Shanahan system, because
my theory was he was going to ball out, and
that system is favorable to any quarterback that plays in it,
which I mean Kevin O'Connell's system isn't that far removed either,
So I am really curious if he does get the
(29:19):
first shot when you're throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jordan
Addison and you saw firsthand In Hockinson and Aaron Jones
is back there now in the backfield with Kevin O'Connell
calling plays like he should be able to put up some.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Good stats and flourish in that system. I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, look, I mean I talked about this two days
ago with you guys, now that we're doing some hardcore
sports talk, and maybe for a guy college football Hall
of famer like and I heard that new classes out,
but maybe for a guy like I don't know. I
think you put LeVar on any team in the NFL
at his time, and you know, you make Pro Bowls.
(29:56):
Your quarnerback is such a and I have no frame
of reference other than talking to quarterbacks and having the
experience of watching guys develop over the years. But I mean,
if you get picked by the wrong NFL team, it
really is the difference between a long and storied career
(30:18):
and people not really thinking of you as a great
NFL quarterback. I mean, it's a tough, tough circumstance for
quarterbacks in the NFL as far as where you're picked.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Is that true? I mean it feels pretty true.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I mean, look my journey, I guess because I want
so many different places. I felt that way, you know,
and I think even just like forget the NFL. For example,
just look at my college experience. Granted I was young
when I played as a true freshman, but you know
I wanted to go to Notre Dame and one of
the reasons was.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It was a West Coast system with Ty Willingham.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Now, that system and our play caller, it wasn't necessarily
the best, at least compared to what it was the
last two years, but I quickly learned the difference in
me play caller and the ability for that play caller
to give you more autonomy in the offense, and how
that can play a role in what you can do
out there on the field. So yeah, the situation circumstance
(31:15):
you're born into or you inherit sometimes plays a large
role in that. I would generally compare it like this,
like we all go on trips, right, and you have
different ways or modes of transportation of getting there, and
for the most part, like you want as little variables
that can come into play that could disrupt your ability
(31:37):
to get from point A to point B. Right, So
if you're driving, you're taking a train, you're flying, whatever
the case is. Like, when you start looking at the
reason why people hate travel, it's because there's all these variables, right, Like,
for example, I've got to fly out from Miami.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Well, there's traffic, So do I train? Do I drive?
How do I go about doing that? Last time I
tried to do it, there's an accident.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
There's all these different variables that play a part and
not being able to ultimately get to you where you
want to go. The plane gets delayed, the customer service
is terrible. Levar's lamented about that for for years now.
Are you not a good traveler?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
LeVar? I'm a great traveler. Someone described it as hostile.
Not by way I've been. I've been described as hostile,
but that's not true.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Like when you say you're a great traveler, is it
like saying you know, Genghis Khan was a great warrior,
Like you're a great traveler, but you're also brutal and angry.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I will say I get very disappointed when I'm delayed
and that delay.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Causes me to miss a flight. Who do you take
that out on? I don't Why are you trying to
bake me here?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well, I'm well, because I'm a tar, I don't travel.
I mean I literally don't travel because I'm in a gorrophobe,
and I hate traveling that much, and if there is
a delay on the plane, I might start squirming like
a super.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Well, I will say I would. Ye.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm not aggressive, I'm not belligerent. I actually I try
to be very very accommodating unless I'm being being talked
to in a way where I feel like I'm being
brushed off or that in this moment where something is
(33:18):
more important, like getting back to my kids or whatever
it may be, seems to be a joke, Like then
I turn into an a.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Hole, Like somebody say that to you in the Planet
Kids Petros almost exactly the same exact way.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Customer service lady laughed at me, like like okay, like
you're trying to get back to your kids and like,
but but lady, I paid for a ticket, Like it's
not like I'm asking you to do me a solid, Like, hey,
do me a solid, do me a favor. No, you
didn't sit there and say, oh, you know what, let's
(34:01):
be delayed and let's cancel payment on on you getting
you know, but we're going to give you the ticket anyway.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
You don't do that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
You're not sitting there delaying us on being able to
pay for what it is that we're the service that
we're paying for. So my whole thing is is why
do you act so brand new when when customer service
is supposed to be a part of you accommodating the
people that pay for Come on, man, that's.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
All I'm saying. I'm with you. This is exactly how
I explain it. Yes, and it's exactly how I explain it, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
So so, not to get off on a crazy wild tangent,
but just to touch on what Petrus has asked and
what you responded to the way you said, how if
you if I get delayed, I'm just beside myself baby, right, Well,
that's in essence what it's like when you're a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I've tackle block and everybody thinks it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
There's there's an element there the plays of rolling, there's
an element to the receiver, there's an elements to the
the play design, and sometimes just you know, different things
you could do or things you could have changed beforehand
whether or not you're getting that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
So there's all those things.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
That obviously like play a factor into it, But there
is no position that's more I guess reliant on what's
around them. Now that being said, I personally believe, though
there's still a select few that no matter where they go,
they're gonna be able to elevate what's around them. Like
Patrick mahomes is that Tom Brady is that. I personally
believe Aaron Rodgers's that you think Brady?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I do.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I honestly think Tom Brady like, of course he developed
him too whatever, he was right, But I think Tom
Brady gets picked somewhere else and he works at Enterprise
rent a car.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Dang, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't know that I'll pick you out only because
we saw him go to Tampa and do it and
yeah later sure, sure, But so if you're saying at
the beginning of his career, who knows.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
But it wasn't like that was the easiest situation to
enter it into either.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, but it was like plinko, like we've talked about
the other day. You could be right. And I remember
Mahomes I mean I called I don't know, maybe three
or four. Did you You might have seen Texas time
I called there, you know the text, oh that crazy one. Yeah, yeah,
Mayfield versus and I saw look, I saw Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I don't know, four or five times in Lubbock.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Outside of Lubbock, I saw him once where he just
looked like dog ass, could barely play.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Probably was hurt.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
And it's not like it's not like we didn't see
that he was a talented guy, right, yeah, But watching
him at Texas Tech, I didn't say, Wow, this is
you know, this is the next guy.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Certainly no one said that about Brady when he was
at Michigan. And it's interesting because because I know Andy
Reid a little bit. I know him, I see him
around just through family friends, and that's been a long
long time, and I don't know, I feel like Andy Reid,
maybe it's revision is history. But everybody was criticizing Pat's
(36:58):
footwork and his inability to play within an offense coming
out of Cliff Kingsbury's weird offense, which is, you know,
not viable of what they were doing at Texas Tag.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Which side note.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's funny how everyone's like, oh, you know, Jayden Daniels
and Cliff Kingsbury's offensive.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Washington are like, yeah, so what, yeah, what's that going
to do for you? Like, what do we expect to happen?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Were got to run a little screen on the back
side of this play. Okay, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
So you know I didn't see that, but it happened.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
But I mean, you could be absolutely right, Brady, and
you understand quarterbacking more than I do. But to me,
it's just it's a confounding thing that these quarterbacks only
one guy can play at a time. You get picked
and in many ways you're a victim of circumstance, and
people don't look at it like that.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
They looking like it's your fault, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And I think the hardest thing about for Jaj McCarthy
and even like Drake may who I think was taking
third team reps the last time I looked, it was
Jacoby Brissett, Bailey Zappi, then Drake Man. I'm like, dude,
you guys spent the three overall pick like, like, let
the guy get reps in play because it's experience. Like
I think we all can relate with the fact that
(38:08):
the more we do something, the better we're all gonna
get out. I don't care what you want to say,
I truly believe that if you're going to do something
ten thousand times, I think we're all going to be
better at the end of those ten thousand reps. Now
there might be variations and who's better than who, but
I think we're all going to improve well. And there's
also the variables of like who's on drugs, you know,
(38:28):
who's on the T train?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, I'm not sure where that really you know falls
in there, but yes, it's the circumstance of life.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yes, that's a circumstance of life. Baby mom is causing
trouble exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
But the general point is when you're sitting behind two
of their guys who are getting those reps, you're like,
all right, Like this isn't helping me, Like the mental
rep thing. It's real to a degree, but there's a
very you know, it's like walking into one of those
like nineteen forties homes that the ceilings were like seven
and a half eats tall.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
It's a very short ceiling, you know, now to hit
your head when do you go to the basement.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It's interesting, LeVar, because one of my best friends growing
up and who recently passed, Clark Hagen's a linebacker who
I played high school football with and we remained close
for years and played for the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
You know, It's very interesting path that he had.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
He was drafted like in the fourth round, and he
was kind of a pass rushing combo with Joey Porter
everywhere he went.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
But Clark didn't play that much early.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I mean he played, he was good, but he was
able to rest his body the first couple of years,
sign a second contract. You know, ended up having a
fourteen year career. And it's a little different for other
positions where you can come in and kind of ease
your way into it. That doesn't happen with quarterbacks anymore.
Sometimes sometimes he's your way in. Yeah, sometimes you can
(39:53):
ease your way in. But I mean, Mahomes technically did
I guess you say Britty technically did to some degree.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Sure, some would say easing your way in is the
best way to get in there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
And I remember Carson played behind John Kittna. I remember that, Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
So it is a but speaking of football and pro
football and the building of a team, yesterday I had
to leave my cocoon after doing two pros and a
cup of pee here the final hour and I will
be back tomorrow, but just just on for my normal guests.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
I think we should just keep this. I just think
we should kind of just keep doing it. There'd have
to be a raised involved no, but I do it.
I mean I don't, that's out of my jurisdiction.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
But there's that half hour when I wake up that
I'm paying. I'm pretty bitter. But once I get on
and get rolling. But the other thing I have to
do is like read the shampoo bottle or like a
label of something to like sort of warm up my
voice because my voice isn't the same.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Is that a good way of stars the shampoo bottle?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I mean I did once when I was in the
shower with my mother in law's here, so I'm not
going in that bathroom to take a shower. So today
I just read the Maker's mark bottle downstairs here, Maker's
Mark Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. By the way, your bitterness
in the first thirty minutes after you wake up is
well received on our show, So I mean, I think
(41:17):
we're the perfect landing spot for you to wake up
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'll dog get out some of that bitterness. I'll do it. No,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I need to talk to Shappy, but I did yesterday
when I did not drive far from my house. Actually
I drove to the same and a similar route to
where Tiger Woods blew.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Up his legs here in the bang.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Well, that's I'm just I was driving to the Rolling
Hills Country Club, which is where Tiger Woods was driving
when his legs fell off. Victor Brick on our show,
did you hear what Vic the Brick said about that? No,
he was reaching for a pill. I was like, no, Vic,
And then like a year later we were a year
later we were like, yeah, yeah, I think you were right.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Vic. I'm sorry that we corrected you.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
But I met with many of the Chargers yesterday at
the golf tournament. As you guys know, we have the
Chargers on the AM five seventy. Well we don't. We
play him on an FM station, but my radio partner,
Matt Smith is the voice of the Chargers. He's there
play by playguy on the radio. So I do all
these events with him because we do the show together.
(42:22):
And saw a lot of people yesterday that we talked
to Joe.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Alt in person.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Dude, you know, I mean it's such a cliche to say, wow,
I saw that football player and he was really big.
You know what I mean, Like I met Howie Long
and I was shocked at how big he is. And
but it's true, right yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Mean he's abtruptively big, like we're around big people all
the time.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
And then you like shake how He Long's hands and
you feel like you're shaking the hand of like King
Kong or a statue.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
You're like, my god. You know his joints, you know
his elbows.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
He's huge, and uh, Joe Alt looked like and the
left tackle I played with at US he was he's
a right tackle, isn't all. But the left tackle I
played with an s He was six ' eight, but
he looked like an upside down pyramid, right, yeah, this
guy all I mean, he looked like a ship.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Coming into the harbor. He was, he was.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
It looks like a baby, doesn't he there's a baby face.
And he looked miserable in California, just he miserable. Where
do you think he'd be best suited? He's I'm back
in Minnesota, but you know, I mean, look, you can
live in California. Calif The thing about La is that
people don't realize is La is so big and so sprawling.
It really has everything, and it has something for everybody,
(43:44):
even stiffs like Alt and and I say that in
a very deffectionate way. He's just, you know, he's a
Midwestern offensive lineman and that's what he wants to do.
Says he's not going to eat at any restaurants until
his girlfriend gets here, so all he does is eat
at the facility and go home. And the Maconkey guy,
(44:04):
the other draft pick, was like, oh, I like it
here and all. It's like standing off on the side,
like shaking his head. No, it's terrible, but you could
tell that they love playing enough for Jim Harbaugh, and
we talked to Harbaugh and I reconnected with Harbaugh, and
that was interesting to see. Jim he changed the entire
format of the golf tournament to make it more competitive.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
So how did he change the format.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
I don't understand golf, you know, or how, you know,
other than just the traditional way to do it, So
I don't know what he did.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
He sent everybody out in a shotgun way and.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
They only played thirteen holes because him and his brother
used to sneak onto courses and that's all they could
play because they couldn't afford the Kalamazoo Country Club or whatever.
So we got into it with Harbaugh. He whipped his
tattoo out and did all his stuff.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
So that was cool. And he was very Uh, he
was in a good mood if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, can be touch and go, well, yeah I can,
you know, but he was in full Harbor mode, like
he was taking pictures with everybody and showing love.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I mean, okay, it's a It was a golf event,
so it.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Was you think there's a part of that because like
he won the national championship, got the monkey off his back,
like he was the prodigal son who returned the mission
and brought them, you know, brought them that championship.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Do you think that's part of it?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And that was a lightness familiar and all that. Yeah,
the lightness I felt in his his being. And I
guess you know, I've known him since he was a coach.
Did I ever tell you guys about us D and Harbaugh?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
I might have. You said you you covered him then,
but you didn't go Well, no, I had a cousin.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I have a cousin who actually owns a very popular
restaurant called Zuzu's pedals in Long Beach.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Get down a Long Beach too. Uh, it's a brunch place.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
But I have a cousin, Evan, who was up going
down to us D and wanted to uh you know,
wanted to work on the football team or something, you know,
just to do something. And my uncle called me and
asked me to call down there, and sid.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Did he sound when he called you? My uncle? My
uncle doesn't sound like my my uncle, Tommy. I want
you to call Jim Harball. So I super calm, right,
So I was like, okay, you know, I'll call.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I remember I was driving on the one ten and
it was like, you know, like where you had like
the mobile phone like the ericson you know, the one,
the one that came went up to your head and.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
You could just drive with the phone to your head
and no one cared. It was back in those days.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
And I just called the us D University of San
Diego for those of you, uh nationally of course, not
not a D one program, not a D two pro.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
I think they're a D three. Maybe they're D two,
but it certainly it ain't Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
And uh. I remember calling the football office and it
rang twice and the phone got picked up and it
said football and I said yeah, and I said, I'm
looking for Jim Harbaud, like to leave a message this coach.
And I was like, uh, this is Petro's papade. Yeah, Petros,
(47:04):
I know you what's up? And I'm like, Jesus God,
you know too well he remembered, well, then, yeah, I
mean from the PAC twelve or PAC ten games this.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Time too, Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Well I used to call like we used to get
in there, you know, we did a lot of those
Stanford Andrew Lock Toby Gerhart type of games, you know.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
And and that was what I was going to say, LeVar,
Like the way he.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Was acting and how much fun he was having yesterday
reminded me of when Stanford had it going and no
one expected them to be good, and and he was
really kind of enjoying that, you know, And then.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
He were shadowing something here.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Well, I don't know. I mean, he went to the
Niners and what happened the inevitable fight with the with
the GM and and all that they were still getting
the right and then he went to Michigan and times
were a little hard at first until he got all
his people in there, and he seemed like he was
pretty happy with what was going on. But again, I
mean he made some enemies. I mean, he left Michigan
for a reason. But the Chargers, I mean kind of
(48:04):
like the Lincoln Riley you think you guys were talking about.
For better or worse. I don't think the Spanos family
has done this before. I mean, they gave him the
keys of the kingdom, he hired all his people. Everybody
that he wants is there, so uh, and we talked
to most of them. We talked to Trustman and Joe
Hortiz and.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
All these guys. So so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
But I mean, it certainly feels pretty good when you
got Harbaugh around, and I don't know any other coach
like that, do you know. I mean, he is the
most unique personality, and I think the NFL too, will
soon find that out.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
I think they've just got the tip of the iceberg
because they saw him once before. But a heavier dose
of him with this team will be really fun. It's
not the same as Blackbeard the Pirate Ryan Day showing up,
but you know, it's pretty good, all right. I'm sorry
you guys don't like the black Beard joke.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
You had to get that end, didn't you.
Hosts And Creators
Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox
Popular Podcasts
True Crime Tonight
If you eat, sleep, and breathe true crime, TRUE CRIME TONIGHT is serving up your nightly fix. Five nights a week, KT STUDIOS & iHEART RADIO invite listeners to pull up a seat for an unfiltered look at the biggest cases making headlines, celebrity scandals, and the trials everyone is watching. With a mix of expert analysis, hot takes, and listener call-ins, TRUE CRIME TONIGHT goes beyond the headlines to uncover the twists, turns, and unanswered questions that keep us all obsessed—because, at TRUE CRIME TONIGHT, there’s a seat for everyone. Whether breaking down crime scene forensics, scrutinizing serial killers, or debating the most binge-worthy true crime docs, True Crime Tonight is the fresh, fast-paced, and slightly addictive home for true crime lovers.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.