June 14, 2024 • 48 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Trevor Lawrence gets paid! The Commandos aren’t ready to hand the keys to Jayden Daniels, but they should. The NFL hands down penalties to the Falcons for tampering while the Eagles get cleared. Plus, Chuck-E-Cheese dolls, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Just oh, Coop, come on, man, you can't do it.
You can't do it, Coop.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Coop, you're a hell of an actor. This is outside
your range. Wow, this one's outside your range. It means
a bar special.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So you don't think there's anyway Justin Cooper can do
a LeVar Errington fresh.
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I don't know that you have the same impact. I
don't like where this is going. Coop, Hey, Coop swimming
the muddy waters with this. Come on, let's all get dirty,
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for example, like we're pretty fortunate to be able to
do this show every single morning, you know, have fun,
play little grab ass. And then there's like certain sports
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stories that come out and stuff that drops and you
see the details on it and you go what does
that mean? And then you realize, well, why would we
even need to sit here and speculate and try and
figure out what Trevor Lawrence's contract means when we've got
ourselves a special guest. Every single time somebody in the
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NFL gets paid, which means it's time for.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And now for more on this two pros and a
cup of joke.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Contract analysts free and tea Quinn. I hate how you
guys do this, I really do.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I mean, the news comes out, all we get is
bits and pieces of the contract and then I'm just
gonna break it down to my new details.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm not smart enough to do it. I don't know
anything about finances. You gotta help out here, all right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So Trevor Lawrence got paid, at least according to reports.
We believe that's the case based on some of the
numbers we've seen so far. It's a deal worth in
total value two hundred and seventy five million dollars. One
hundred and forty two of that is fully guaranteed. Another
fifty eight million on top of that is guaranteed for
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injury only. Hopefully, by the time this deal comes out,
we'll actually see how those numbers hit, how legitimate this
reporting is. Either way, that equates to fifty five million
per year, surpassing Joe Burrow, who had the previous high
water mark in the NFL. So Trevor Lawrence gets paid.
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The former number one overall pick who did have two
years left on his rookie contract. He had the fifth
year option as well as this upcoming season, so they
didn't have to get it done now. But as most
teams will tell you, the earlier you get it done,
the cheaper it will end up being. So the Jaguars
are set. Trevor Lawrence is set. I think the only
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question that there is to really answer is was this
warnt Like, did he deserve this sort of contract after
what you've seen so far.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
No, But I don't look at it as a bad
deal and I don't look at it as like Trevor
Lawrence being rewarded. I think this is more so the
Jaguars maybe doubling down in their belief that he is
going to be the guy, because, like, my big question
is what the hell happened last year? Like I just
thought last year was going to be the step he
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would take a playoff game. You know, they came back
and beat the Chargers and that melt down there and
it felt like everything was trending in the right direction,
and then they took a step back and he got
a little bit banged up. And so if you're looking
at just what he's done, and well, has he earned it?
It's like, well, probably not, but I don't look at
that stuff. And you've you've kind of helped me take
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this more of an approach when it comes to these
contracts that sometimes it's not always about whether or not
you earned it, it's about what makes the most sense
if you believe that he's the guy. And as you
laid out, Jacksonville looks at this and says, listen, we
still think he's going to be the guy. So if
that's the case, let's get it done now. Because these
contracts are ballooning and escalating every single year, it seems
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like that would be.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
My my takeaway.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
The problem is if you allow him to play out
this season and he has a big season, let's say
he surpasses what he did in twenty twenty two, his
Pro Bowl year, You're gonna find yourself having to pay
him even more. You've got other quarterbacks who are going
to re up, who are going to extend for even
more average annual value, which is basically how you divide
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just the years into the total value of the contract.
They're gonna be getting paid more than that. So from
the team perspective, it's a lot of money now, but
eventually you have to pay the piper, and this is
in this case going to be cheaper for them now
to do it, especially with two years left on.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
His rookie deal. Again not knowing the details of this.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
What oftentimes happens when teams have a player they feel
really really good about at this point is they can
just extend on whatever this deal was reported as and
do it after his rookie deal actually kicks in. He
gets some soigny bonus up front, but they really don't
have to pay the full impact or feel the full
impact of what the salary cap hit will be for
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two more years based on how they structure it. So
still more details need to come out. This obviously hit
late last night. We will get those details as soon
as they end up following the contract.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
We can go online and see it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So who's next? Tua Jordan Love? Are they smiling right now?
Are there other reps for those guys? They'll get out
and going? All right? Well, then listen, we just keep
moving this thing forward and forward, Like, where do we
stand with Tua and Jordan Love? At this point?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I think Tua will be next.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Jordan Love would make some sense too, even though you
know after one season and it wasn't even really you
know one, it was like more of like the second
half of last year, you really saw what he was
capable of. It sounds like he's confident that we get
a deal done before camp. And let's go back to
before last season. He took a much more team friendly,
economical deal when he didn't have to.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Granted, he gave him a little more money up.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Front, but had he just played out his rookie deal,
he would have really had Green Bay in a tough
spot where they would have to pay up and it
would be a gigantic way because he would have been
staring free agency.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
In the face.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So I kind of look back on that decision to
take a more team friendly deal to that gave the
team more contro was one of those reasons why Jordan
Love doesn't.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Have one of the biggest contracts in the NFL right now.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
For TUA, there's gonna be injury concerns, it'll be more
unique contract in the way it's structured. From that standpoint,
but at some point I think they'll get that deal
done too. I think, I mean, I think they believe
in what he's capable of and he's played well under
Mike McDaniels.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
So you've got to give him the benefit of doubt.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
They haven't drafted someone necessarily replace him, so all those
things line up to think they're gonna pay.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Too as well.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Fifty five million dollars a year when you were playing,
did you ever if somebody would have said to you, hey,
you know, just just so you know, coming up, not
that far away, we're talking fifty five million dollars a year,
these guys are going to be making that.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, But I mean that was I stopped playing a
decade ago, and that was going to your eight. So
it's like it's just the money and the way it's
gone up and from the TV contracts, from gambling, from
everything you look at.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I mean, you knew at some point it would go
up like this.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And maybe there was past players who in the nineties
watched players into two thousands were like, oh my gosh.
I mean back then it was more about how much
guaranteed money or how big the contracts got on the
originally rookie draft salary scale. So when you saw Sam
Bradford's deal when he got fifty million guaranteed as the
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number one overall pick and the last deal of that.
A lot of veteran guys weren't happy about it.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Where they were short sighted about it was if a
guy who had never played a snap in the NFL
was going to get paid fifty million dollars guaranteed in
a contract. If you were a veteran, you had all
sorts of leverage because all you had to do to
the team is go, well, he hasn't thrown a pass yet,
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he doesn't have a stat yet, he's getting paid that
that's the floor of my negotiation. And a lot of
teams didn't like it because they actually thought it accelerat
once you paid quarterbacks or top end players DNS tackles,
it accelerated it faster because every single year you had
a star player from college who had never played in
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the NFL who was pushing up whatever that top contract was.
It wasn't an older veteran player, a guy who had
been proven in the league who had to reset the market.
You had help from the rookie class.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That CBA back in two thousand and eleven, that basically
colmpletely crushed that model of forcing these numbers up this
high faster. So I would actually make the argument had
they kept the old rookie draft salary pool or lack thereof,
this would have happened sooner.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So the gambling aspect that you pointed out, is it
fair to say, because I mean, this is now, and
this might be a little bit controversial, but I think
you know, give credit where credit is due. There's a
lot of guys out there in the NFL, Calvin Ridley,
Jamison Williams who you point out the gambling impact on
the NFL and some of these contracts going up. Is
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it fair to say that some of this was on
the backs of guys like Calvin Ridley and Jamison Williams
who sacrificed playing time and in the Calvin Ridley case,
a year of his career because he was providing revenue
to these gambling sites in order to get his fellow
NFL players paid. I think he should get a cut
of this, to be honest with you. Former teammate of
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Trevor Lawrence, I think it's only fair.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
That's a great theory. It is a great theory.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm just saying, like, look, it's by part of his
money is why this sport is booming you know, if
we're going to give credit, we got to give the
proper credit. That's the way I love.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I mean, those really two the poster childs we once
you want someone else who actually gambled more, and maybe
he isn't even able to play any longer.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I mean, Calvin Ridley is still playing.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I know I can't. I can't think of anybody else
at the moment. Now, there was a petit freer of
the Titans. Yeah it was him, And I want to
apolog just for anybody else that I haven't named, who's
been suspended by the NFL for gambling, I want to
apologize to you. You deserve credit too. It's just, you know,
it's like giving an acceptance speech. Sometimes you leave some
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names off the list. But those are the three that
I can come up with right now. But all of
you are responsible. We are all one in the degenerate
gambling community, and I think we all deserve a little
bit of credit for Trevor Lawrence getting two hundred and
seventy five million dollars at this stage of his career.
That's the way I look at it. But again, you know,
not everybody's got the foresight to see through this stuff.
I will say this great division to get paid in.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
All right, Yes, so that's what we've said it all along.
The AFC South is the best, the best of any division. However,
they do play two games in London now, which doesn't
make it quite as advantageous for what you're getting paid.
I mean you get taxed a little extra over there
and then London compared, so, uh yeah, he'll be given
a little bit over to the English.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So is the is the tax higher if you go
play a couple of games in London as opposed to
playing and saying New York or California or some of.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
These I believe so yeah, even compared to like, you know,
really New Jersey. It's where a lot of the New
York teams get get tax on because that's where their
facilities are.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That sucks.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, listen, you know, hopefully it doesn't blow through that money,
but everything is going off.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I don't think he will. Someone's telling me he's not
gonna blow through that money. That The question would be,
do you think you should get a haircut? Actually shouldn't
go with the long flowing locks?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, I think event at some point he's probably gonna
get it cut, like Tom Brady looked great with long hair,
but at some point he was just like, you know, listen,
I'm just gonna cut it. Like it doesn't make much sense,
you know.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I was.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
There's some theories that by the ways that there. What
do you mean, oh, you know, like you grow it
out for a reason?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Why?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Ye maybe to hide some stuff here there something I'm
just saying says out.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
There was no kidding. That's a hell of an idea.
That's why Lee grows his hair long. And now it
makes sense.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, no, he grew his hair long. Step a bullet
is leaving here today.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
He take off here, he's here, by the way, a
little bit of a mistake made by Lee, I would
point out, remember what we said yesterday, like the best
thing you can do when you've worked out for the
first time in a little while and you're very sore,
especially in your legs, got to get out there, got
to work out again.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah you got you.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, that's not you might well he might have a
legitimate injuries to worry about here, because he is he's
really really banged up and just fighting through.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But he's you know, let's put into perspective, you can't
be more banged up than you have been drinking.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
All right, yeah, well no, this is pretty bad. You
whole something like I got to use the restroom. But
I'm scared too.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
What.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I don't know if I can get back up again,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Bro, that has nothing to do with working out. That's
something else. Maybe you al Joe not like that, Well
we did.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
We did.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
That.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Usually when Jonas is off, you're off. You said, it's
not always kind of ties it like that together. So
LaVar and I did point that out to everyone that.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Was that was a funny coincidence that we were off
on the same weekend, or say it was yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I mean it's just you know, pure coins, that's all
it was, I believe.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
But Leave's here and uh, and he's fighting through the pain.
So just got to stretch out, stretch the hammies, do
some quad stretches.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And then I told him free squats during the break.
Just get it going, just loosen the muscles up again,
and everything's going to be fine.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
I'm worried because I have a wedding this weekend, so
I want to be able to you want to be
a dance yeah, I want to people cut the rug
or whatever on the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Wants to dance, Yeah, but you could do it. I
did one time. I had a woman approached me wanting
to dance at like some party and was absolutely not
interested because my eyes work. And I told her that
I had blown out my knee the week before and
literally pointeds like started hobbling and said, I'm sorry, I can't.
I can't my knee. And so you could do that, Lee,
(16:11):
So that is a go to and you have a
legitimate injury, now, yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
It's a good out. Yeah, but I do like to
dance at the weddings. That's the one time I get,
you know, a dance on.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Can I ask lorraina something.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
If if if you were getting married and Lee walked
in with what I assumed to be I think his
suit and his dress will be fine, but a mullet
to your wedding, would you be kind of checked off?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
No, I'd hand him a beer. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
I actually checked in with the UH with those getting married,
and they said, do not cut it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Absolutely absolutely, that's a good guy.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I'm remind you, Brady, I'm from Oregon, so a lot
of people have mullets up there.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, listen, man, they do it different in kus Bay. Yeah,
my nephew has a mullet. It's a mean mullet. Yeah,
it's different organized.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Nothing, that's moles. I'm just saying that the bride might.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Like, are you friends with the bride or the groom?
Lee the groom? Okay, so yeah, she might have an issue.
Maybe she's not saying it, but she might have a problem.
Uh so, well, you know, at least we get an
f SR or we'll touch on because you're gonna get
buckled at this wedding. Oh yeah, yeah, this is gonna go.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
I thought it was gonna be one day, and now
I'm hearing from friends who are going that they're like
staying extended through the weekend. I was like, oh, man,
I should have taken Monday off. We're gonna be it's
gonna be like a three days.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Surely not you get an f SRIT exactly, That's what
I told them. Well, listen, we will have We will
have the update on that when we come back after
the weekend. I mean, if we can't even get to
the weekend without getting to the most important part of
this opening segment here on two pros and a cup
of Joe, you know, we finally hear that's a football Friday.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, but you guys always put that one.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
What do you mean I have done with this segment?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Why you don't want to hear the banger? The classic?
Come on last boys, Brady.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Let's go?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, come on beautifully, Brady.
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Where about?
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Speaker 2 (19:57):
There's a lot of teams out there that are making
some decision on exactly what they'll be doing at quarterback.
We talked yesterday at about this time the Minnesota Vikings.
It looks like Sam Darnold's going to get the first
crack at training camp, even though they drafted JJ McCarthy.
Other teams out there with rookie quarterbacks making some decisions.
Caleb Williams, he was named the starting quarterback for the Bears.
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I believe two years ago, So all of that is
already set in stone. The number two pick Jade and
Daniels and the Washington Commandos, they're trying to make a
decision as well too. They're head coach Dan Quinn spoke
about the quarterback decision yesterday to the media.
Speaker 9 (20:34):
Early on in camp, Marcus Maritto was taking most of
the reps with the ones. As we've gotten a little
further in mini camp, it seems Jayden is taking over.
In your mind, is Jaden the starter? And do you
expect as we get to training camp then I'll get
most of the work with the ones.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
Well in true competition, That's why we set it up
as we did to have Marcus have some and Jayden
to have some. So no great declarations other than like
being true to who we are, you know, as competitors.
No doubt that Jade's making unbelievable progress here and we'll
have a really fun camp. But he's earned that opportunity
to go compete. We wouldn't have given him those spaces
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and those times, those reps if he hadn't, But it
was really clear that he's put in the work and
he was ready to do that. So it was it
was by intention for sure that he was able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I ever tell you the story about how Lovey Smith
once decided a starting quarterback battle in training camp. I
mean because there's different I mean, there's just different ways
that you can do it. Like I mean, he flipped
a coin, you know, he flipped the coin once to
determine whether or not Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton we're
going to get the starting job for certain preseason games.
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And you know, it just is interesting to see how
some coaches are handling this and some aren't. You've always
been of the opinion throw them out there, right, like,
let's get this thing going and see where we're at.
But you've got the Patriots who seemed a little bit
more hesitant. You've got the Bears, who aren't hesitant whatsoever.
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Minnesota's kind of take in a different approach. It's just
it's kind of funny to see how different teams are
looking at this whole thing and what their plan is
when it comes to certain players and whether they're not
they're ready to go.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, the problem with the Bears was there was no
other option, so it was Caleb Williams or bust.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Once they moved on.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
From justin fields. They didn't keep fields and draft Caleb.
That wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's pretty disrespectful to Tyson Baige and tell you that
right now.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Well, Tyson bajem proving coun be a backup last year,
if if he could prove he could be more than that.
You know, if Caleb Williams goes down, then we'll see.
But Caleb Williams is the guy, and there was no
one else on that roster that was a veteran that's
got experience that's gonna, you know, teach him the ropes
for a little bit nothing.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It's just it's it's Kayleb Williams deal.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Jade Daniels is in somewhat of a similar situation, especially
when you're taking number two. Overall, you can make it
look like a competition. You can say whatever you want.
When it comes down to it, he's gonna end up
being the guy. You look at Drake May, you look
at JJ McCarthy. There's two veterans who have played football
before on that roster that can either be good backups
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or start off the season and kind of show you
some of the ropes.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
It's it's all a learning curve.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Your first year. You're learning your offense. You're learning how
different the defenses are. You're learning the different speeds. From
OTA's mini camp to training camp to preseason to the
regular season.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Everything speeds up. Everything has to be done faster, and once.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
You get into the regular season, you start realizing that
your game plan and what you do in training camp
and what you do in mini camp is like out
the window. You start putting in elements of your offense,
but it's not even the same offense. Most change a
lot weak to week. You change based on what you've
seen other teams do. That's why they call it a
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copycat league.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
And then you change your offense based on what you
are anticipating.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
In the other team doing and what you feel like there's
weaknesses are. So every week it's going to be a
different game plan. In some cases, you're like, none of
what we did in training camp is what we're doing now,
And that happens. You know, offensive coordinators and offenses kind
of evolve in that way. But those are things that
a rookie has to deal with in his first year
and kind of learn and how the first time you
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play a division opponent is can be drafted to be
different than the next time you play a division opponent,
and then how to make those in game adjustments. You know,
that's one thing that, like every single drive in the NFL,
you're changing stuff. It could be cadence, it could be
what you're doing from a game plan and what you
saw within the game plan to certain formations of personnel.
Could be a lot of that, and so it's all
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new and people will be like, well, what're you doing that?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
In college? You do to some degree, it's not quite
the same.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Talent's more equated at the NFL level, so scheme is paramount,
whereas at the college level you can get away with
just having a better guy out there, and then there's
some slappy across the way from you at certain spots.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
So it's different in that sense. I'm just being honest
by the.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Way I've I've literally talked to our boss, Scott Shapiro,
had asked him, you know, the term slappy and what
it's code for? Can we say the actual and he
has told me that we cannot. Like I've had that
conversation with him because I would love, I would love
nothing more than to be able to say what what's
slappy is? Because what a great term that I was
(25:22):
unfamiliar with until you dropped it on me a few
years back, and I said, that's one of the greatest
terms I've ever heard of in my life, and you just
can't do it. So that's that's unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
But what is fortunate People can use their imagination.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right, Yeah, I mean it's you know, starts with the
D you know, old school, old school football term. LeVar said, yeah,
oh yeah, that's like an old school like you know,
way back in the day, like maybe probably a Midwest
thing that I was not privy to out here. Maybe
people were saying it out here on the West Coast,
but they had masks on, so I couldn't understand. So
maybe that's that's what was happening. But on the Washington
(25:56):
quarterback situation, like I Will could the Commandos and I go,
I could see this season going one of two ways.
Either they're really sneaky good and being very competitive, or
it's like we're pretty far away and we've got a
young quarterback, and I can't figure out which way I
want to go with them, because I don't think the
Giants are going to be very good. The Cowboys, I
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have no idea I think Philly's gonna be good and
Washington's kind of floating out there. They're kind of lingering,
and I'm just not sure which way to go with them.
Surprise team, maybe a fringe wild card team or nowhere close.
And they're gonna be picking high in the draft next year,
even though I like Dan Quinn and it's a new
regime and all that stuff, and it feels like, you know,
it's a new air of Washington football. That's a team
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I just can't I cannot get a read on.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Well, you got a good roster, and I mean Jayden
and Daniels could be the quarterback that comes in and
surprises people and lights the league on fire.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
We saw that from CJ. Stroud last year. Maybe it's
Jade Daniels.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I mean, he's coming off a Heisman Trophy season. He's
got the ability to change the game with his legs.
There's a lot of things I think you'd love to
like about Jane Daniels being that quarterback, you know, for
for the Washington Commandos. So I mean, I mean again,
we'll see how things transpire. There's a lot of new
there too. You got a new head coach, you have
a rookie quarterback, You've got some new pieces.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
How does that all come together?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, we know there, we know their interview process
was obviously different from an ownership standpoint.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Some people liked it, some people didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You know, not sure if that matters, but we'll see
how much of that relates and transpires to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
As as some people call it, kind of more of a.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Basketball with an NBA structure basketball like yeah, which you
know feels like an insult to me, you know, when
you know in certain coaches who interviewed for the job
are like, yeah, you know they you know, there's too
many basketball people running the.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I mean that you're taking a direct shot at the
entire sport, not not just.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
How would you feel if there was like a former well,
I guess we've got the example of Doug Gottli, But
I was gonna say, how would you feel if there
was like a former radio host?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
And they're like, yeah, they got too many radio guys,
you know.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Part of that like imagine Lee as a part of
an NFL organization walking around like doing whatever it is
that Lee would be doing in.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
That position, right, yeah, I mean, but also like I
would look at it and go, no, he's probably right.
I mean there's a lot of scumbags. I mean like
we are we are, we are dirt bags in radio.
I say that with pride, like there's there's nothing wrong
with it, Like you can tell the quality of a
human being by what the kitchen looks like, and if
it's any indication at a radio station, like you know,
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in our kitchen, like there's just people would eat whatever whenever.
We're just it's it's what we do. You do TV,
So you're not really like you're around catering and all
that stuff, like here are catering is here there is
some leftover Halloween candy and some goldfish crackers. Have at it, guys,
And that's the diet of the human being that walks
around a radio studio. I take pride in that. You know,
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I don't eat it, but I take pride in it.
By the way, six and a half is the over
under on the Commander's wind total. I'll take the over.
I will take the over on the Washington commanders at
six and a half, seven and ten season for them.
That seems plausible to me. So a little bit more
optimistic now that I see that never floated out there,
but it is a two pros and a cup of Joe.
(29:14):
Fox Sports Radio Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. We
are gonna have another edition of in case you missed
it coming up here shortly for all the latest stuffrom
around the world of sports. He is Edmund Garcia.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Well, thank you, Jonas, and real quick. I forgot to
tell you this when I saw you in the hallway.
But actually have a gift for you our colleague Steve
de Sager. I saw him when I came in this
morning and he asked me to give this to you. Really,
so here you go. Can you tell what that is from?
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Is that a Chuck E Cheese?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
It is a Chucky cheese stuff animal listen? That is
that is for you? Are you excited about that?
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Not?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Really?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Do you give this to your trial?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
All right?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
If you can give a message back to Steve de Sager,
kiss my ass, Steve. That's what you can say to
Steve Disager. I mean I'll give it to him. I mean,
you know he goes to Chuck E Cheese occasionally and
he's a big fan of the of whoever's in the costume,
the rat if you will, or mouse, whatever, they're calling
it these days. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I'll take
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it home and uh, you know, make up some story
about how much I paid for it, so you know.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And that's the problem when you you lie about prior employment,
that you're the mouse at uh at Chuck E Cheese,
that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Why would I Why would I lie about that because
you think it.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Makes a good radio, but it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Doesn't make good radio. But there's nothing funny about being
the rat at Chuck e Cheese. There's no lie.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
There's no reason to tell you the people that you
did that.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Then it just came up once and it's spread. I
don't know what to tell you, Like there's I've had
a ton of jobs I've never.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Talked about and spread. This isn't poison ivy. It's like
your pastoyment.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I got news for you. The way Fox Sports Radio
is growing, with our affiliates, growing in our listenership. Everything
spreads on this show. Then people now know that you're
Braden t Quinn.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
People people have described you like a bad STD buddy.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
All right, are there good STDs? Now that we're on
the topic, I don't think, okay, so we'll clean that. Sorry, Eddie,
I'll I'll get you. Only only Brady would turn a
nice gesture from Steve de Sager and a stuffed animal
for a kid into uh ranking uh STDs. So we're
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sorry about that, Eddie's sorry.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six a m Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So, I mean, this is kind of interesting before we
get into the the NFL conversation that we're about that, Hey,
thanks for listening. What the hell was that? What the
hell was that?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
There was something that happened during the break as well
well too, where I heard something from Brady Quinn that
went over on the air like an old recording or
something like that. And normally, which is listen, it all
kind of adds up and makes a little bit of
sense because strange things have happened here on this show
this morning, and that normally is an indication that maybe
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we are being visited by somebody at some point, because
a tweet was just sent out by live bed Jesus,
which would tell me that at some point on this show,
if there is a live sporting event going on, he
will be making an appearance.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I mean the US Open is going on right now?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, I mean is it on Peacock Lee So we
can't get it on the big screen here that that
is that's not.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Currently and I know a lot of people are up
in arms about it not being behind a firewall. I
believe we've gotten ourselves a Peacock subscription here at the studio,
but I can't get it on one of these TVs.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
It's telling me that on USA USA Golf.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh, we got it. I mean, do we look at all?
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So let's uh, by the way, it's channel two forty
two for you Direct TV subscribers in the studio. Thank
you for that, if there are any of those left
in the world. But but no, unfortunately we're not showing
that here on the channel that we've got. But point is,
I bet Jesus has sent out a tweet and maybe
he will be making an appearance here at some point
(33:29):
to make a pick on on exactly what is happening
over there in North Carolina Pinehurst, where I was watching
with my son yesterday and looked like some of those
guys were struggling a little bit, you know, like they
were really struggling. I forget who it was, God, who
is the guy who was hitting from the rough and
(33:51):
literally missed the entire green On the other side, I
forget Harry some Oh God, what's his name?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
English?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
No, I forget his name. But you've just watching it going.
This seems like it's a little bit more difficult than
some of the courses that we've seen recently. Like some
of the courses that have been out there were good.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
That's kind of the traditional of the US Open. Usually
they make it extremely difficult for the players.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
In this case, there's a bunch of people I know,
especially guys who are golf fans something happen to be buddies.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
They always complain for the golfers.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, that's the one thing about golfers that you'll
see they openly.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Complain about the conditions of the course.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And then you'll get golf fans are like, yeah, those
greens are too fast, they can't hold it. It's like, dude,
they're pros. It's golf. We all play like the same deal,
where you've got like conditions sometimes that are not even
what the PGA Tour would play in they'll be okay, Like,
we don't need to complain for them too, Like they're
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professional golfers. They'll figure it out, and so what. Like
I would love to see a tournament that the winner
was like four over because the course played so harder
is so hard. It's like it's almost like an ego thing,
like it's impossible. It's impossible to think that a PGA
Tour player could ever play over par.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
My god, it's like, dude, okay, So it's hard to
put on, it's hard to hold the green. Figure it out.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
You got three rounds or at least two to make
the cut, but then four rounds.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
To figure out to try to win the thing. People
can I just I don't feel bad all for professional golfers.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I don't either. People complain about the NBA All Star
Game and it's like, well, they're scoring four hundred points
between the two of them and et cetera. It's like, okay,
like I agree with you, So then let's not complain
when you see somebody actually play defense, and the defense
in golf is a more difficult course. So like, I
like it. I like the fact that guys are going
to struggle and plus makes them more relatable, Like, nobody
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can relate to a golfer. Majority of those guys have
never had it hard, all right, the most the most
adversity they've faced is whether or not, you know, there's
a surprise hail storm at some tournament that they're playing
that they're going to make, you know, five hundred thousand
dollars in by finishing eightieth place. They grew up, they
grew up privileged, and it's why a lot of people
can't relate to it, especially a lot of people from
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the mean streets of places like where I come from, Dublin, Ohio, Monmouth, Illinois,
places like that. They can't relate to some of these
golfers and they're you know, the they're manicures and everything
else that comes along with that lifestyle. So the fact
that they're going to go out there and struggle a
little bit, I think it's I think it's noteworthy. I
think it's important for society that people gonna have athletes
that they can relate to. Can't relate to an NBA
(36:31):
player guy's seven to five and he can dunk, but
a golfer, though, guy who's got a bad swing, hitting
shots out of the you know, out of the sand.
I think that's something everybody can rally around, so good
for them struggle a little bit, right, get on our level,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I just feel like, of all the professional sports, the
one you look at and you go, these guys probably
didn't really have a rough time of it growing up.
It's probably golf, yes, right, Yes, The entire sport kind
of exudes this this sense of I don't say privilege,
but just like it's an expensive sport to begin with,
so if you were able to play it, for the
most part, it's really hard for people who don't have
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a lot of money to go to play and then
make it to that level.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So you kind of look at it like a right
his stories don't get me.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Wrong, but by and large, it's drastically different than what
you see in other professional sports like the NBA or
like the NFL.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
The other one's hockey. Hockey's really expensive to play, and
I didn't realize it until I like one of a
guy did radio with in Charleston. He was telling me
like there was like hockey was big out there, and
he was telling me like he was trying to get
his kid into hockey. He's like yeah, I don't know
if it's going to fly on a radio salary. I
was like, why is that? And he started telling me
the fees, like the equipment every season you want to
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play every year you want to play on like Jesus Man, like,
that's that's why basketball, baseball, I mean even baseball, some
of the travel leagues are expensive that you want to
play in. Like I think when you look at golf,
it's like if you're if you're a member, you've got
money and that's probably the best way to improve and
get better. So if you're one of those guys, yeah,
you didn't, you didn't grow up, you know, having to
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deal with some struggle. That's why Scottie Scheffler getting arrested
and being thrown in an orange jumpsuit twenty eight minutes
after he got arrested by the cops, there was a
story we could also all rally around, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I think there's been a lot of stories of late
that and mostly it's everything off the course, you know,
whether it's you know, Scotti Scheffler in a jumpsuit. You
know guys maybe you know slinging some stuff off the course.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
All that. It's like, well, all right.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
They're like us. They're not just you know, guys all
dressed up in polos and golf pants, and I feel
like they're above society.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's fun for everybody, all right. So, speaking of orange
jumpsuits and people getting in trouble, those damn Atlanta Falcons, man,
how could you?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
How did they get popped and the Eagles didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I'm still trying to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And isn't this something that like everyone does basically in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
No, those deals that come out at twelve oh one
am Eastern time, those free agent deals that are announced
that you need to tell me, those aren't negotiated in
sixty seconds. Once it's official that they can get to
get some of these contracts done. That's why it feels
like the NFL if they wanted to, it's it's like
a cop who pulls somebody over for speeding. There's a
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lot of I would say, majority of the people I
see driving into work are speeding, but you can't pull
everybody over, So you pull over one, maybe two, just
to set an example. And it feels like the Atlanta
Falcons were the example. And also Kirk Cousins, you know,
basically admitting that there was conversations that were had before
he actually signed the deal, probably didn't do him any favors.
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So they lose a fifth round pick. They get fined
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for violating the NFL's
anti tampering policy on free agents. This in regard to
Kirk Cousins, Darnell Mooney, and Charlie Warner GM Terry Fontineo
got popped fifty thousand dollars as well too. Mike Florio
had to tweet out set a high level executive with
(39:58):
another team about the tamper and quote, if I can
land the top quarterback and free agency for a fifth
round pick and two hundred and fifty K, I'll sign
up for that any day. It just this feels like
kind of a joke, like it's kind of ridiculous, and
yet they're losing a draft pick for it.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I do think there's maybe one thing or one way
reason why maybe Kirk Cousins would would comply with the
investigation and all that. I mean, because who got fined
in all this? Right, So the Falcons lose a fifth
round pick as it next year in twenty twenty five. Ah, Yes,
the team got fined is two hundred fifty thousand dollars
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fifty K.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
And then Terry Fontnu got fined.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
It was a fifty thousand dollars Yeah himself. I mean,
I'm not saying this is an actuality would happen. But
let's just say, for example, the NFL came to you
if you're Kirk Cousins and happened to ask some questions
about all this, and you know, you happen to say,
and I understand the comments he made that they used
as evidence or before the draft took place, but once
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the draft took place, I mean, and if there are
some questions to be asked, I mean, I guess if
you're Kirk Cousins and you had any frustration about them
drafting Michael Pennick, that would be just go yeah, you
know what, Actually they did contact me.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I felt like it was a little bit wrong on
my side of things.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
But you know who's gonna get fined for this one
O the team and our general manager, the guy who
made the decision to take Michael Pennix.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
He called me on this date. Here's my call log,
here's our text text message exchange. I hear the players
who were Yep, go ahead, find them, take away draft pick,
hurt him moving forward if you can.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
And that would be pretty great if if we found
out that Kirk Cousins had a red ass over the
Michael PENNOCKX pick and was like, no, no, no, we're all
good here, hey, Roger rog Yeah, yeah, they were talking
to me before all this could could become official.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
They were cheating that I got my one hundred million pal.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
That would be pretty great. I just I feel like, Okay,
I don't want you to out anybody, but you've been
a free agent before.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Fair to say it was different. It was different back then.
It was different back then.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Usually what happens, and this is what players will do
sometimes their agents will have them do, is when they're
set to become a free agent, and the combine typically
happens at the.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
End of February. Okay, I guess there's two times.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
There's the Super Bowl where players will be walking around
and there to do appearances and whatnot, right, so they
and they happen to bump into people, which more often
than not, you're not going to find a bunch of
teams at the Super Bowl. But sometimes you'll see agents
have players do that to discuss the potential.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Of signing a deal. This is how it used to be.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
But the combine is the one where you expect always
see the guys out of college going into the NFL,
which you don't expect to see as veterans who are there.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Veterans will fly in and they will be meeting with
some of the teams.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Would happen to bump into some of the teams, and
you know, general managers, coaches and the agents will be
there and oftentimes that's where the framework of something would
have taken place, and they hide under the veil of well,
I've got other clients on that roster.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
That's why I was talking to the general manager.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
That's why I saw it on the coach even though
they've got a client who's a free agent who they're
talking about what that deal is going to look like.
So that's how it used to be. So you would,
for example, I'm not gonna say what hotels, but there'd
be a couple of hotel bars you've walked through and
you'd be like, oh, yep, there's so and so, there's
so and so, what's he doing here?
Speaker 4 (43:35):
This makes sense?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
And that's in essence where the contract negotiations would start,
and then once if it's a legal tampering period now
or even back then, if they had called about something else,
they might just pop up into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
By the way, hotel bars really underrated. Big fan of
hotel bars. Yeah, I've talked to Lee about that, But
surprisingly enough, I've talked to Lee about that several.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
For a guy who never travels, though, I'm not really
sure why you're such a big fan.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, but you know, because it is so rare. I
really do appreciate him more so than yourself. You probably
walk by him and go, do they have caviar? Not interested?
I walk by him and I go, there's an opportunity
to get buckled and then just stumble up to your room.
All you got to do is hit an elevator.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Why do you try to act like your Lee like
that is something Lee has done, will do is more
of his persona. No, you're now trying to make yourself
seem like you're like you're not no Irish goodbye, or
you don't come out at all.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
No, that is not true. This is the difference between
Lee and I. If I was telling the story as Lee.
What I said is hotel bar, elevator room. For Lee,
it's hotel bar, liquor store, bar next to the liquor store. Well,
since we're here, we'll go to the next one, so
you can't bring that bag in. Don't worry. I'll drink
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it before I come in. And then he hits up
that place and then stumbles back to the hotel bar
and then back up to the room. I'm done.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
He doesn't go back up to his room out to
make sure that you get back to your room, and
he will be drinking while doing that, which is where
I found him in Dublin, Ireland, and one of the
it was a really kind sweet gesture, but I realized
he was so mangled. I'm like, buddy, do you need
help going to your room? Like you know where you're
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from it.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
He was like, oh, I'm good man, I'm just you know.
I was like, all right, that might.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
Have been the move, actually yeah, because we were on
the same floor, so I probably was just following you
around making sure.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I actually thought it was like a sobering up technique
where you're just trying to stay awake through like the
spins or something. My sister got absolutely hammered the other
night and she had pop high and she told me
she went back and swam like she swam to sober
herself because she had to spin so bad.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
That's horrible.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Well, obviously her husband like sat and watched, sat and
watched her because it could have been could have been
bad otherwise. But that's her technique. She'll like go running,
or she'll she will try to like swim it out.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, it's just I do.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I do think that.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Like the problem for us was, you know, especially Lee
and I, is that Ireland time. The show started at
eleven a m. The possibilities were open to all sorts
of like fun to be had, And so Lee looked
through that and was like, well, I normally only get
like an hour and a half or two hours sleep
before a show out here on Pacific time. Now that
(46:23):
we're on Ireland time, let me go ahead and take
full advantage of this. And he did. He did. We
can't confirm that he did. Absolutely, that was a that
was a damn good time.
Speaker 7 (46:32):
My one complaint about our hotel in Dublin was that
they don't have ice machines.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Really, one of my favorite things.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
At hotels is the first thing I do is go
fund the ice machine, make sure it's nice and close
and so I can get stocked and ready to rock.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I always thought to myself, like, who uses the ice
machine anymore?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
If you have a fridge, what is like, why do
you need the ice machine?
Speaker 4 (46:53):
You got you gotta have ice, You got have ice
putting a drink?
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Oh okay, Lee, I I think they did have one.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
I just think you were too angled.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I thought they did. They had one on one floor
and it wasn't ours. Well, how bad do you want it?
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
All right? Shows some commitment hen in the stairway.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, Lee, were you just like hanging out on the
lobby until like I made it back.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Or Jonas made I mean Jonas really didn't go out.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
You had missed Jonas by like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
I was probably a good thing.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I went out, and, by the way, was forced to
walk the entire length of Dublin because Brady and Lee
kept saying, Oh, I know where we're going. I know
where we're going. I'm like, ah, this doesn't feel like
we know where we're going. We were closer to California
than we were our hotel at one point.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
That's not true.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
That's not s went up the exercise.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, it's probably a good idea.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
I don't think I was as drunk as Lee, but
it definitely wasn't sober.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I know that it was, by the way, worst stake
I've ever had in my life at a restaurant.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
It was.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
It was pretty pretty rough.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
But the other stuff, well, good thing you paid for
the bill too.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Well. Listen, I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
They don't accept pesos. Is that my fault? Blame Blame Dublin,
Blame their uh, you know, blame the people they handle
the revenue there. Also, I made a mistake buying Euros
at the airport. Not a good idea. The exchange rate
a little bit different than what I could have gotten
before I left. But you know, first time out of
the country to Europe, I don't tell you
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Not Today, Essay, not Today, Ah, what a glorious Friday morning,
Jonas Janice Jone.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Just oh, Coop, come on, man, you can't do it.
You can't do it, Coop.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Coop, you're a hell of an actor. This is outside
your range. Wow, this one's outside your range. It means
a bar special.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So you don't think there's anyway Justin Cooper can do
a LeVar Errington fresh.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I don't know that you have the same impact. I
don't like where this is going. Coop, Hey, Coop swimming
the muddy waters with this. Come on, let's all get dirty,
let's get reckless. It's the Reds who's listening. That's how
you start things off. But it is two pros and
(01:22):
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No LeVar Arrington. Uh, he is knee deep in previewing
Game four, the NBA Finals, so he is busy doing that.
So he's got his mindset on all that. So it's
just gonna be Brady Quinn and I taking you all
the way up until night am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific.
You can hang out. We get to probably you know,
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for example, like we're pretty fortunate to be able to
do this show every single morning, you know, have fun,
play little grab ass. And then there's like certain sports
(02:29):
stories that come out and stuff that drops and you
see the details on it and you go what does
that mean? And then you realize, well, why would we
even need to sit here and speculate and try and
figure out what Trevor Lawrence's contract means when we've got
ourselves a special guest. Every single time somebody in the
(02:51):
NFL gets paid, which means it's time for.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And now for more on this two pros and a
cup of joke.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Contract analysts free and tea Quinn. I hate how you
guys do this, I really do.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I mean, the news comes out, all we get is
bits and pieces of the contract and then I'm just
gonna break it down to my new details.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm not smart enough to do it. I don't know
anything about finances. You gotta help out here, all right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So Trevor Lawrence got paid, at least according to reports.
We believe that's the case based on some of the
numbers we've seen so far. It's a deal worth in
total value two hundred and seventy five million dollars. One
hundred and forty two of that is fully guaranteed. Another
fifty eight million on top of that is guaranteed for
(03:44):
injury only. Hopefully, by the time this deal comes out,
we'll actually see how those numbers hit, how legitimate this
reporting is. Either way, that equates to fifty five million
per year, surpassing Joe Burrow, who had the previous high
water mark in the NFL. So Trevor Lawrence gets paid.
(04:04):
The former number one overall pick who did have two
years left on his rookie contract. He had the fifth
year option as well as this upcoming season, so they
didn't have to get it done now. But as most
teams will tell you, the earlier you get it done,
the cheaper it will end up being. So the Jaguars
are set. Trevor Lawrence is set. I think the only
(04:25):
question that there is to really answer is was this
warnt Like, did he deserve this sort of contract after
what you've seen so far.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
No, But I don't look at it as a bad
deal and I don't look at it as like Trevor
Lawrence being rewarded. I think this is more so the
Jaguars maybe doubling down in their belief that he is
going to be the guy, because, like, my big question
is what the hell happened last year? Like I just
thought last year was going to be the step he
(04:59):
would take a playoff game. You know, they came back
and beat the Chargers and that melt down there and
it felt like everything was trending in the right direction,
and then they took a step back and he got
a little bit banged up. And so if you're looking
at just what he's done, and well, has he earned it?
It's like, well, probably not, but I don't look at
that stuff. And you've you've kind of helped me take
(05:19):
this more of an approach when it comes to these
contracts that sometimes it's not always about whether or not
you earned it, it's about what makes the most sense
if you believe that he's the guy. And as you
laid out, Jacksonville looks at this and says, listen, we
still think he's going to be the guy. So if
that's the case, let's get it done now. Because these
contracts are ballooning and escalating every single year, it seems
(05:42):
like that would be.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
My my takeaway.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
The problem is if you allow him to play out
this season and he has a big season, let's say
he surpasses what he did in twenty twenty two, his
Pro Bowl year, You're gonna find yourself having to pay
him even more. You've got other quarterbacks who are going
to re up, who are going to extend for even
more average annual value, which is basically how you divide
(06:06):
just the years into the total value of the contract.
They're gonna be getting paid more than that. So from
the team perspective, it's a lot of money now, but
eventually you have to pay the piper, and this is
in this case going to be cheaper for them now
to do it, especially with two years left on.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
His rookie deal. Again not knowing the details of this.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
What oftentimes happens when teams have a player they feel
really really good about at this point is they can
just extend on whatever this deal was reported as and
do it after his rookie deal actually kicks in. He
gets some soigny bonus up front, but they really don't
have to pay the full impact or feel the full
impact of what the salary cap hit will be for
(06:45):
two more years based on how they structure it. So
still more details need to come out. This obviously hit
late last night. We will get those details as soon
as they end up following the contract.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
We can go online and see it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So who's next? Tua Jordan Love? Are they smiling right now?
Are there other reps for those guys? They'll get out
and going? All right? Well, then listen, we just keep
moving this thing forward and forward, Like, where do we
stand with Tua and Jordan Love? At this point?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I think Tua will be next.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Jordan Love would make some sense too, even though you
know after one season and it wasn't even really you
know one, it was like more of like the second
half of last year, you really saw what he was
capable of. It sounds like he's confident that we get
a deal done before camp. And let's go back to
before last season. He took a much more team friendly,
economical deal when he didn't have to.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Granted, he gave him a little more money up.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Front, but had he just played out his rookie deal,
he would have really had Green Bay in a tough
spot where they would have to pay up and it
would be a gigantic way because he would have been
staring free agency.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
In the face.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So I kind of look back on that decision to
take a more team friendly deal to that gave the
team more contro was one of those reasons why Jordan
Love doesn't.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Have one of the biggest contracts in the NFL right now.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
For TUA, there's gonna be injury concerns, it'll be more
unique contract in the way it's structured. From that standpoint,
but at some point I think they'll get that deal
done too. I think, I mean, I think they believe
in what he's capable of and he's played well under
Mike McDaniels.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
So you've got to give him the benefit of doubt.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
They haven't drafted someone necessarily replace him, so all those
things line up to think they're gonna pay.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Too as well.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Fifty five million dollars a year when you were playing,
did you ever if somebody would have said to you, hey,
you know, just just so you know, coming up, not
that far away, we're talking fifty five million dollars a year,
these guys are going to be making that.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, But I mean that was I stopped playing a
decade ago, and that was going to your eight. So
it's like it's just the money and the way it's
gone up and from the TV contracts, from gambling, from
everything you look at.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I mean, you knew at some point it would go
up like this.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And maybe there was past players who in the nineties
watched players into two thousands were like, oh my gosh.
I mean back then it was more about how much
guaranteed money or how big the contracts got on the
originally rookie draft salary scale. So when you saw Sam
Bradford's deal when he got fifty million guaranteed as the
(09:22):
number one overall pick and the last deal of that.
A lot of veteran guys weren't happy about it.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Where they were short sighted about it was if a
guy who had never played a snap in the NFL
was going to get paid fifty million dollars guaranteed in
a contract. If you were a veteran, you had all
sorts of leverage because all you had to do to
the team is go, well, he hasn't thrown a pass yet,
(09:50):
he doesn't have a stat yet, he's getting paid that
that's the floor of my negotiation. And a lot of
teams didn't like it because they actually thought it accelerat
once you paid quarterbacks or top end players DNS tackles,
it accelerated it faster because every single year you had
a star player from college who had never played in
(10:13):
the NFL who was pushing up whatever that top contract was.
It wasn't an older veteran player, a guy who had
been proven in the league who had to reset the market.
You had help from the rookie class.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That CBA back in two thousand and eleven, that basically
colmpletely crushed that model of forcing these numbers up this
high faster. So I would actually make the argument had
they kept the old rookie draft salary pool or lack thereof,
this would have happened sooner.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So the gambling aspect that you pointed out, is it
fair to say, because I mean, this is now, and
this might be a little bit controversial, but I think
you know, give credit where credit is due. There's a
lot of guys out there in the NFL, Calvin Ridley,
Jamison Williams who you point out the gambling impact on
the NFL and some of these contracts going up. Is
(11:07):
it fair to say that some of this was on
the backs of guys like Calvin Ridley and Jamison Williams
who sacrificed playing time and in the Calvin Ridley case,
a year of his career because he was providing revenue
to these gambling sites in order to get his fellow
NFL players paid. I think he should get a cut
of this, to be honest with you. Former teammate of
(11:28):
Trevor Lawrence, I think it's only fair.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
That's a great theory. It is a great theory.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm just saying, like, look, it's by part of his
money is why this sport is booming you know, if
we're going to give credit, we got to give the
proper credit. That's the way I love.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I mean, those really two the poster childs we once
you want someone else who actually gambled more, and maybe
he isn't even able to play any longer.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I mean, Calvin Ridley is still playing.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I know I can't. I can't think of anybody else
at the moment. Now, there was a petit freer of
the Titans. Yeah it was him, And I want to
apolog just for anybody else that I haven't named, who's
been suspended by the NFL for gambling, I want to
apologize to you. You deserve credit too. It's just, you know,
it's like giving an acceptance speech. Sometimes you leave some
(12:09):
names off the list. But those are the three that
I can come up with right now. But all of
you are responsible. We are all one in the degenerate
gambling community, and I think we all deserve a little
bit of credit for Trevor Lawrence getting two hundred and
seventy five million dollars at this stage of his career.
That's the way I look at it. But again, you know,
not everybody's got the foresight to see through this stuff.
I will say this great division to get paid in.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
All right, Yes, so that's what we've said it all along.
The AFC South is the best, the best of any division. However,
they do play two games in London now, which doesn't
make it quite as advantageous for what you're getting paid.
I mean you get taxed a little extra over there
and then London compared, so, uh yeah, he'll be given
a little bit over to the English.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So is the is the tax higher if you go
play a couple of games in London as opposed to
playing and saying New York or California or some of.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
These I believe so yeah, even compared to like, you know,
really New Jersey. It's where a lot of the New
York teams get get tax on because that's where their
facilities are.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That sucks.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, listen, you know, hopefully it doesn't blow through that money,
but everything is going off.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I don't think he will. Someone's telling me he's not
gonna blow through that money. That The question would be,
do you think you should get a haircut? Actually shouldn't
go with the long flowing locks?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, I think event at some point he's probably gonna
get it cut, like Tom Brady looked great with long hair,
but at some point he was just like, you know, listen,
I'm just gonna cut it. Like it doesn't make much sense,
you know.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I was.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
There's some theories that by the ways that there. What
do you mean, oh, you know, like you grow it
out for a reason?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Why?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Ye maybe to hide some stuff here there something I'm
just saying says out.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
There was no kidding. That's a hell of an idea.
That's why Lee grows his hair long. And now it
makes sense.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, no, he grew his hair long. Step a bullet
is leaving here today.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
He take off here, he's here, by the way, a
little bit of a mistake made by Lee, I would
point out, remember what we said yesterday, like the best
thing you can do when you've worked out for the
first time in a little while and you're very sore,
especially in your legs, got to get out there, got
to work out again.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah you got you.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, that's not you might well he might have a
legitimate injuries to worry about here, because he is he's
really really banged up and just fighting through.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But he's you know, let's put into perspective, you can't
be more banged up than you have been drinking.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
All right, yeah, well no, this is pretty bad. You
whole something like I got to use the restroom. But
I'm scared too.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
What.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I don't know if I can get back up again,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Bro, that has nothing to do with working out. That's
something else. Maybe you al Joe not like that, Well
we did.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
We did.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
That.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Usually when Jonas is off, you're off. You said, it's
not always kind of ties it like that together. So
LaVar and I did point that out to everyone that.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Was that was a funny coincidence that we were off
on the same weekend, or say it was yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I mean it's just you know, pure coins, that's all
it was, I believe.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
But Leave's here and uh, and he's fighting through the pain.
So just got to stretch out, stretch the hammies, do
some quad stretches.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And then I told him free squats during the break.
Just get it going, just loosen the muscles up again,
and everything's going to be fine.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
I'm worried because I have a wedding this weekend, so
I want to be able to you want to be
a dance yeah, I want to people cut the rug
or whatever on the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Wants to dance, Yeah, but you could do it. I
did one time. I had a woman approached me wanting
to dance at like some party and was absolutely not
interested because my eyes work. And I told her that
I had blown out my knee the week before and
literally pointeds like started hobbling and said, I'm sorry, I can't.
I can't my knee. And so you could do that, Lee,
(16:11):
So that is a go to and you have a
legitimate injury, now, yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
It's a good out. Yeah, but I do like to
dance at the weddings. That's the one time I get,
you know, a dance on.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Can I ask lorraina something.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
If if if you were getting married and Lee walked
in with what I assumed to be I think his
suit and his dress will be fine, but a mullet
to your wedding, would you be kind of checked off?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
No, I'd hand him a beer. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
I actually checked in with the UH with those getting married,
and they said, do not cut it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Absolutely absolutely, that's a good guy.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I'm remind you, Brady, I'm from Oregon, so a lot
of people have mullets up there.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, listen, man, they do it different in kus Bay. Yeah,
my nephew has a mullet. It's a mean mullet. Yeah,
it's different organized.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Nothing, that's moles. I'm just saying that the bride might.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Like, are you friends with the bride or the groom?
Lee the groom? Okay, so yeah, she might have an issue.
Maybe she's not saying it, but she might have a problem.
Uh so, well, you know, at least we get an
f SR or we'll touch on because you're gonna get
buckled at this wedding. Oh yeah, yeah, this is gonna go.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
I thought it was gonna be one day, and now
I'm hearing from friends who are going that they're like
staying extended through the weekend. I was like, oh, man,
I should have taken Monday off. We're gonna be it's
gonna be like a three days.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Surely not you get an f SRIT exactly, That's what
I told them. Well, listen, we will have We will
have the update on that when we come back after
the weekend. I mean, if we can't even get to
the weekend without getting to the most important part of
this opening segment here on two pros and a cup
of Joe, you know, we finally hear that's a football Friday.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, but you guys always put that one.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
What do you mean I have done with this segment?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Why you don't want to hear the banger? The classic?
Come on last boys, Brady.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Let's go?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, come on beautifully, Brady.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Where about?
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Speaker 2 (19:57):
There's a lot of teams out there that are making
some decision on exactly what they'll be doing at quarterback.
We talked yesterday at about this time the Minnesota Vikings.
It looks like Sam Darnold's going to get the first
crack at training camp, even though they drafted JJ McCarthy.
Other teams out there with rookie quarterbacks making some decisions.
Caleb Williams, he was named the starting quarterback for the Bears.
(20:18):
I believe two years ago, So all of that is
already set in stone. The number two pick Jade and
Daniels and the Washington Commandos, they're trying to make a
decision as well too. They're head coach Dan Quinn spoke
about the quarterback decision yesterday to the media.
Speaker 9 (20:34):
Early on in camp, Marcus Maritto was taking most of
the reps with the ones. As we've gotten a little
further in mini camp, it seems Jayden is taking over.
In your mind, is Jaden the starter? And do you
expect as we get to training camp then I'll get
most of the work with the ones.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
Well in true competition, That's why we set it up
as we did to have Marcus have some and Jayden
to have some. So no great declarations other than like
being true to who we are, you know, as competitors.
No doubt that Jade's making unbelievable progress here and we'll
have a really fun camp. But he's earned that opportunity
to go compete. We wouldn't have given him those spaces
(21:09):
and those times, those reps if he hadn't, But it
was really clear that he's put in the work and
he was ready to do that. So it was it
was by intention for sure that he was able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I ever tell you the story about how Lovey Smith
once decided a starting quarterback battle in training camp. I
mean because there's different I mean, there's just different ways
that you can do it. Like I mean, he flipped
a coin, you know, he flipped the coin once to
determine whether or not Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton we're
going to get the starting job for certain preseason games.
(21:38):
And you know, it just is interesting to see how
some coaches are handling this and some aren't. You've always
been of the opinion throw them out there, right, like,
let's get this thing going and see where we're at.
But you've got the Patriots who seemed a little bit
more hesitant. You've got the Bears, who aren't hesitant whatsoever.
(21:58):
Minnesota's kind of take in a different approach. It's just
it's kind of funny to see how different teams are
looking at this whole thing and what their plan is
when it comes to certain players and whether they're not
they're ready to go.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, the problem with the Bears was there was no
other option, so it was Caleb Williams or bust.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Once they moved on.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
From justin fields. They didn't keep fields and draft Caleb.
That wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's pretty disrespectful to Tyson Baige and tell you that
right now.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Well, Tyson bajem proving coun be a backup last year,
if if he could prove he could be more than that.
You know, if Caleb Williams goes down, then we'll see.
But Caleb Williams is the guy, and there was no
one else on that roster that was a veteran that's
got experience that's gonna, you know, teach him the ropes
for a little bit nothing.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It's just it's it's Kayleb Williams deal.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Jade Daniels is in somewhat of a similar situation, especially
when you're taking number two. Overall, you can make it
look like a competition. You can say whatever you want.
When it comes down to it, he's gonna end up
being the guy. You look at Drake May, you look
at JJ McCarthy. There's two veterans who have played football
before on that roster that can either be good backups
(23:04):
or start off the season and kind of show you
some of the ropes.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
It's it's all a learning curve.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Your first year. You're learning your offense. You're learning how
different the defenses are. You're learning the different speeds. From
OTA's mini camp to training camp to preseason to the
regular season.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Everything speeds up. Everything has to be done faster, and once.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
You get into the regular season, you start realizing that
your game plan and what you do in training camp
and what you do in mini camp is like out
the window. You start putting in elements of your offense,
but it's not even the same offense. Most change a
lot weak to week. You change based on what you've
seen other teams do. That's why they call it a
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copycat league.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
And then you change your offense based on what you
are anticipating.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
In the other team doing and what you feel like there's
weaknesses are. So every week it's going to be a
different game plan. In some cases, you're like, none of
what we did in training camp is what we're doing now,
And that happens. You know, offensive coordinators and offenses kind
of evolve in that way. But those are things that
a rookie has to deal with in his first year
and kind of learn and how the first time you
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play a division opponent is can be drafted to be
different than the next time you play a division opponent,
and then how to make those in game adjustments. You know,
that's one thing that, like every single drive in the NFL,
you're changing stuff. It could be cadence, it could be
what you're doing from a game plan and what you
saw within the game plan to certain formations of personnel.
Could be a lot of that, and so it's all
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new and people will be like, well, what're you doing that?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
In college? You do to some degree, it's not quite
the same.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Talent's more equated at the NFL level, so scheme is paramount,
whereas at the college level you can get away with
just having a better guy out there, and then there's
some slappy across the way from you at certain spots.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
So it's different in that sense. I'm just being honest
by the.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Way I've I've literally talked to our boss, Scott Shapiro,
had asked him, you know, the term slappy and what
it's code for? Can we say the actual and he
has told me that we cannot. Like I've had that
conversation with him because I would love, I would love
nothing more than to be able to say what what's
slappy is? Because what a great term that I was
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unfamiliar with until you dropped it on me a few
years back, and I said, that's one of the greatest
terms I've ever heard of in my life, and you just
can't do it. So that's that's unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
But what is fortunate People can use their imagination.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right, Yeah, I mean it's you know, starts with the
D you know, old school, old school football term. LeVar said, yeah,
oh yeah, that's like an old school like you know,
way back in the day, like maybe probably a Midwest
thing that I was not privy to out here. Maybe
people were saying it out here on the West Coast,
but they had masks on, so I couldn't understand. So
maybe that's that's what was happening. But on the Washington
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quarterback situation, like I Will could the Commandos and I go,
I could see this season going one of two ways.
Either they're really sneaky good and being very competitive, or
it's like we're pretty far away and we've got a
young quarterback, and I can't figure out which way I
want to go with them, because I don't think the
Giants are going to be very good. The Cowboys, I
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have no idea I think Philly's gonna be good and
Washington's kind of floating out there. They're kind of lingering,
and I'm just not sure which way to go with them.
Surprise team, maybe a fringe wild card team or nowhere close.
And they're gonna be picking high in the draft next year,
even though I like Dan Quinn and it's a new
regime and all that stuff, and it feels like, you know,
it's a new air of Washington football. That's a team
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I just can't I cannot get a read on.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Well, you got a good roster, and I mean Jayden
and Daniels could be the quarterback that comes in and
surprises people and lights the league on fire.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
We saw that from CJ. Stroud last year. Maybe it's
Jade Daniels.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I mean, he's coming off a Heisman Trophy season. He's
got the ability to change the game with his legs.
There's a lot of things I think you'd love to
like about Jane Daniels being that quarterback, you know, for
for the Washington Commandos. So I mean, I mean again,
we'll see how things transpire. There's a lot of new
there too. You got a new head coach, you have
a rookie quarterback, You've got some new pieces.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
How does that all come together?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, we know there, we know their interview process
was obviously different from an ownership standpoint.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Some people liked it, some people didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You know, not sure if that matters, but we'll see
how much of that relates and transpires to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
As as some people call it, kind of more of a.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Basketball with an NBA structure basketball like yeah, which you
know feels like an insult to me, you know, when
you know in certain coaches who interviewed for the job
are like, yeah, you know they you know, there's too
many basketball people running the.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I mean that you're taking a direct shot at the
entire sport, not not just.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
How would you feel if there was like a former well,
I guess we've got the example of Doug Gottli, But
I was gonna say, how would you feel if there
was like a former radio host?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
And they're like, yeah, they got too many radio guys,
you know.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Part of that like imagine Lee as a part of
an NFL organization walking around like doing whatever it is
that Lee would be doing in.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
That position, right, yeah, I mean, but also like I
would look at it and go, no, he's probably right.
I mean there's a lot of scumbags. I mean like
we are we are, we are dirt bags in radio.
I say that with pride, like there's there's nothing wrong
with it, Like you can tell the quality of a
human being by what the kitchen looks like, and if
it's any indication at a radio station, like you know,
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in our kitchen, like there's just people would eat whatever whenever.
We're just it's it's what we do. You do TV,
So you're not really like you're around catering and all
that stuff, like here are catering is here there is
some leftover Halloween candy and some goldfish crackers. Have at it, guys,
And that's the diet of the human being that walks
around a radio studio. I take pride in that. You know,
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I don't eat it, but I take pride in it.
By the way, six and a half is the over
under on the Commander's wind total. I'll take the over.
I will take the over on the Washington commanders at
six and a half, seven and ten season for them.
That seems plausible to me. So a little bit more
optimistic now that I see that never floated out there,
but it is a two pros and a cup of Joe.
(29:14):
Fox Sports Radio Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. We
are gonna have another edition of in case you missed
it coming up here shortly for all the latest stuffrom
around the world of sports. He is Edmund Garcia.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Well, thank you, Jonas, and real quick. I forgot to
tell you this when I saw you in the hallway.
But actually have a gift for you our colleague Steve
de Sager. I saw him when I came in this
morning and he asked me to give this to you. Really,
so here you go. Can you tell what that is from?
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Is that a Chuck E Cheese?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
It is a Chucky cheese stuff animal listen? That is
that is for you? Are you excited about that?
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Not?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Really?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Do you give this to your trial?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
All right?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
If you can give a message back to Steve de Sager,
kiss my ass, Steve. That's what you can say to
Steve Disager. I mean I'll give it to him. I mean,
you know he goes to Chuck E Cheese occasionally and
he's a big fan of the of whoever's in the costume,
the rat if you will, or mouse, whatever, they're calling
it these days. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I'll take
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it home and uh, you know, make up some story
about how much I paid for it, so you know.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And that's the problem when you you lie about prior employment,
that you're the mouse at uh at Chuck E Cheese,
that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Why would I Why would I lie about that because
you think it.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Makes a good radio, but it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Doesn't make good radio. But there's nothing funny about being
the rat at Chuck e Cheese. There's no lie.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
There's no reason to tell you the people that you
did that.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Then it just came up once and it's spread. I
don't know what to tell you, Like there's I've had
a ton of jobs I've never.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Talked about and spread. This isn't poison ivy. It's like
your pastoyment.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I got news for you. The way Fox Sports Radio
is growing, with our affiliates, growing in our listenership. Everything
spreads on this show. Then people now know that you're
Braden t Quinn.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
People people have described you like a bad STD buddy.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
All right, are there good STDs? Now that we're on
the topic, I don't think, okay, so we'll clean that. Sorry, Eddie,
I'll I'll get you. Only only Brady would turn a
nice gesture from Steve de Sager and a stuffed animal
for a kid into uh ranking uh STDs. So we're
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sorry about that, Eddie's sorry.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six a m Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So, I mean, this is kind of interesting before we
get into the the NFL conversation that we're about that, Hey,
thanks for listening. What the hell was that? What the
hell was that?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
There was something that happened during the break as well
well too, where I heard something from Brady Quinn that
went over on the air like an old recording or
something like that. And normally, which is listen, it all
kind of adds up and makes a little bit of
sense because strange things have happened here on this show
this morning, and that normally is an indication that maybe
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we are being visited by somebody at some point, because
a tweet was just sent out by live bed Jesus,
which would tell me that at some point on this show,
if there is a live sporting event going on, he
will be making an appearance.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I mean the US Open is going on right now?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, I mean is it on Peacock Lee So we
can't get it on the big screen here that that
is that's not.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Currently and I know a lot of people are up
in arms about it not being behind a firewall. I
believe we've gotten ourselves a Peacock subscription here at the studio,
but I can't get it on one of these TVs.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
It's telling me that on USA USA Golf.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh, we got it. I mean, do we look at all?
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So let's uh, by the way, it's channel two forty
two for you Direct TV subscribers in the studio. Thank
you for that, if there are any of those left
in the world. But but no, unfortunately we're not showing
that here on the channel that we've got. But point is,
I bet Jesus has sent out a tweet and maybe
he will be making an appearance here at some point
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to make a pick on on exactly what is happening
over there in North Carolina Pinehurst, where I was watching
with my son yesterday and looked like some of those
guys were struggling a little bit, you know, like they
were really struggling. I forget who it was, God, who
is the guy who was hitting from the rough and
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literally missed the entire green On the other side, I
forget Harry some Oh God, what's his name?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
English?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
No, I forget his name. But you've just watching it going.
This seems like it's a little bit more difficult than
some of the courses that we've seen recently. Like some
of the courses that have been out there were good.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
That's kind of the traditional of the US Open. Usually
they make it extremely difficult for the players.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
In this case, there's a bunch of people I know,
especially guys who are golf fans something happen to be buddies.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
They always complain for the golfers.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, that's the one thing about golfers that you'll
see they openly.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Complain about the conditions of the course.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And then you'll get golf fans are like, yeah, those
greens are too fast, they can't hold it. It's like, dude,
they're pros. It's golf. We all play like the same deal,
where you've got like conditions sometimes that are not even
what the PGA Tour would play in they'll be okay, Like,
we don't need to complain for them too, Like they're
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professional golfers. They'll figure it out, and so what. Like
I would love to see a tournament that the winner
was like four over because the course played so harder
is so hard. It's like it's almost like an ego thing,
like it's impossible. It's impossible to think that a PGA
Tour player could ever play over par.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
My god, it's like, dude, okay, So it's hard to
put on, it's hard to hold the green. Figure it out.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
You got three rounds or at least two to make
the cut, but then four rounds.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
To figure out to try to win the thing. People
can I just I don't feel bad all for professional golfers.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I don't either. People complain about the NBA All Star
Game and it's like, well, they're scoring four hundred points
between the two of them and et cetera. It's like, okay,
like I agree with you, So then let's not complain
when you see somebody actually play defense, and the defense
in golf is a more difficult course. So like, I
like it. I like the fact that guys are going
to struggle and plus makes them more relatable, Like, nobody
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can relate to a golfer. Majority of those guys have
never had it hard, all right, the most the most
adversity they've faced is whether or not, you know, there's
a surprise hail storm at some tournament that they're playing
that they're going to make, you know, five hundred thousand
dollars in by finishing eightieth place. They grew up, they
grew up privileged, and it's why a lot of people
can't relate to it, especially a lot of people from
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the mean streets of places like where I come from, Dublin, Ohio, Monmouth, Illinois,
places like that. They can't relate to some of these
golfers and they're you know, the they're manicures and everything
else that comes along with that lifestyle. So the fact
that they're going to go out there and struggle a
little bit, I think it's I think it's noteworthy. I
think it's important for society that people gonna have athletes
that they can relate to. Can't relate to an NBA
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player guy's seven to five and he can dunk, but
a golfer, though, guy who's got a bad swing, hitting
shots out of the you know, out of the sand.
I think that's something everybody can rally around, so good
for them struggle a little bit, right, get on our level,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I just feel like, of all the professional sports, the
one you look at and you go, these guys probably
didn't really have a rough time of it growing up.
It's probably golf, yes, right, Yes, The entire sport kind
of exudes this this sense of I don't say privilege,
but just like it's an expensive sport to begin with,
so if you were able to play it, for the
most part, it's really hard for people who don't have
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a lot of money to go to play and then
make it to that level.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So you kind of look at it like a right
his stories don't get me.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Wrong, but by and large, it's drastically different than what
you see in other professional sports like the NBA or
like the NFL.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
The other one's hockey. Hockey's really expensive to play, and
I didn't realize it until I like one of a
guy did radio with in Charleston. He was telling me
like there was like hockey was big out there, and
he was telling me like he was trying to get
his kid into hockey. He's like yeah, I don't know
if it's going to fly on a radio salary. I
was like, why is that? And he started telling me
the fees, like the equipment every season you want to
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play every year you want to play on like Jesus Man, like,
that's that's why basketball, baseball, I mean even baseball, some
of the travel leagues are expensive that you want to
play in. Like I think when you look at golf,
it's like if you're if you're a member, you've got
money and that's probably the best way to improve and
get better. So if you're one of those guys, yeah,
you didn't, you didn't grow up, you know, having to
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deal with some struggle. That's why Scottie Scheffler getting arrested
and being thrown in an orange jumpsuit twenty eight minutes
after he got arrested by the cops, there was a
story we could also all rally around, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I think there's been a lot of stories of late
that and mostly it's everything off the course, you know,
whether it's you know, Scotti Scheffler in a jumpsuit. You
know guys maybe you know slinging some stuff off the course.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
All that. It's like, well, all right.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
They're like us. They're not just you know, guys all
dressed up in polos and golf pants, and I feel
like they're above society.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's fun for everybody, all right. So, speaking of orange
jumpsuits and people getting in trouble, those damn Atlanta Falcons, man,
how could you?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
How did they get popped and the Eagles didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I'm still trying to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And isn't this something that like everyone does basically in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
No, those deals that come out at twelve oh one
am Eastern time, those free agent deals that are announced
that you need to tell me, those aren't negotiated in
sixty seconds. Once it's official that they can get to
get some of these contracts done. That's why it feels
like the NFL if they wanted to, it's it's like
a cop who pulls somebody over for speeding. There's a
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lot of I would say, majority of the people I
see driving into work are speeding, but you can't pull
everybody over, So you pull over one, maybe two, just
to set an example. And it feels like the Atlanta
Falcons were the example. And also Kirk Cousins, you know,
basically admitting that there was conversations that were had before
he actually signed the deal, probably didn't do him any favors.
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So they lose a fifth round pick. They get fined
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for violating the NFL's
anti tampering policy on free agents. This in regard to
Kirk Cousins, Darnell Mooney, and Charlie Warner GM Terry Fontineo
got popped fifty thousand dollars as well too. Mike Florio
had to tweet out set a high level executive with
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another team about the tamper and quote, if I can
land the top quarterback and free agency for a fifth
round pick and two hundred and fifty K, I'll sign
up for that any day. It just this feels like
kind of a joke, like it's kind of ridiculous, and
yet they're losing a draft pick for it.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I do think there's maybe one thing or one way
reason why maybe Kirk Cousins would would comply with the
investigation and all that. I mean, because who got fined
in all this? Right, So the Falcons lose a fifth
round pick as it next year in twenty twenty five. Ah, Yes,
the team got fined is two hundred fifty thousand dollars
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fifty K.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
And then Terry Fontnu got fined.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
It was a fifty thousand dollars Yeah himself. I mean,
I'm not saying this is an actuality would happen. But
let's just say, for example, the NFL came to you
if you're Kirk Cousins and happened to ask some questions
about all this, and you know, you happen to say,
and I understand the comments he made that they used
as evidence or before the draft took place, but once
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the draft took place, I mean, and if there are
some questions to be asked, I mean, I guess if
you're Kirk Cousins and you had any frustration about them
drafting Michael Pennick, that would be just go yeah, you
know what, Actually they did contact me.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I felt like it was a little bit wrong on
my side of things.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
But you know who's gonna get fined for this one
O the team and our general manager, the guy who
made the decision to take Michael Pennix.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
He called me on this date. Here's my call log,
here's our text text message exchange. I hear the players
who were Yep, go ahead, find them, take away draft pick,
hurt him moving forward if you can.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
And that would be pretty great if if we found
out that Kirk Cousins had a red ass over the
Michael PENNOCKX pick and was like, no, no, no, we're all
good here, hey, Roger rog Yeah, yeah, they were talking
to me before all this could could become official.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
They were cheating that I got my one hundred million pal.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
That would be pretty great. I just I feel like, Okay,
I don't want you to out anybody, but you've been
a free agent before.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Fair to say it was different. It was different back then.
It was different back then.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Usually what happens, and this is what players will do
sometimes their agents will have them do, is when they're
set to become a free agent, and the combine typically
happens at the.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
End of February. Okay, I guess there's two times.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
There's the Super Bowl where players will be walking around
and there to do appearances and whatnot, right, so they
and they happen to bump into people, which more often
than not, you're not going to find a bunch of
teams at the Super Bowl. But sometimes you'll see agents
have players do that to discuss the potential.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Of signing a deal. This is how it used to be.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
But the combine is the one where you expect always
see the guys out of college going into the NFL,
which you don't expect to see as veterans who are there.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Veterans will fly in and they will be meeting with
some of the teams.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Would happen to bump into some of the teams, and
you know, general managers, coaches and the agents will be
there and oftentimes that's where the framework of something would
have taken place, and they hide under the veil of well,
I've got other clients on that roster.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
That's why I was talking to the general manager.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
That's why I saw it on the coach even though
they've got a client who's a free agent who they're
talking about what that deal is going to look like.
So that's how it used to be. So you would,
for example, I'm not gonna say what hotels, but there'd
be a couple of hotel bars you've walked through and
you'd be like, oh, yep, there's so and so, there's
so and so, what's he doing here?
Speaker 4 (43:35):
This makes sense?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
And that's in essence where the contract negotiations would start,
and then once if it's a legal tampering period now
or even back then, if they had called about something else,
they might just pop up into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
By the way, hotel bars really underrated. Big fan of
hotel bars. Yeah, I've talked to Lee about that, But
surprisingly enough, I've talked to Lee about that several.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
For a guy who never travels, though, I'm not really
sure why you're such a big fan.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, but you know, because it is so rare. I
really do appreciate him more so than yourself. You probably
walk by him and go, do they have caviar? Not interested?
I walk by him and I go, there's an opportunity
to get buckled and then just stumble up to your room.
All you got to do is hit an elevator.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Why do you try to act like your Lee like
that is something Lee has done, will do is more
of his persona. No, you're now trying to make yourself
seem like you're like you're not no Irish goodbye, or
you don't come out at all.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
No, that is not true. This is the difference between
Lee and I. If I was telling the story as Lee.
What I said is hotel bar, elevator room. For Lee,
it's hotel bar, liquor store, bar next to the liquor store. Well,
since we're here, we'll go to the next one, so
you can't bring that bag in. Don't worry. I'll drink
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it before I come in. And then he hits up
that place and then stumbles back to the hotel bar
and then back up to the room. I'm done.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
He doesn't go back up to his room out to
make sure that you get back to your room, and
he will be drinking while doing that, which is where
I found him in Dublin, Ireland, and one of the
it was a really kind sweet gesture, but I realized
he was so mangled. I'm like, buddy, do you need
help going to your room? Like you know where you're
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from it.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
He was like, oh, I'm good man, I'm just you know.
I was like, all right, that might.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
Have been the move, actually yeah, because we were on
the same floor, so I probably was just following you
around making sure.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I actually thought it was like a sobering up technique
where you're just trying to stay awake through like the
spins or something. My sister got absolutely hammered the other
night and she had pop high and she told me
she went back and swam like she swam to sober
herself because she had to spin so bad.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
That's horrible.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Well, obviously her husband like sat and watched, sat and
watched her because it could have been could have been
bad otherwise. But that's her technique. She'll like go running,
or she'll she will try to like swim it out.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, it's just I do.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I do think that.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Like the problem for us was, you know, especially Lee
and I, is that Ireland time. The show started at
eleven a m. The possibilities were open to all sorts
of like fun to be had, And so Lee looked
through that and was like, well, I normally only get
like an hour and a half or two hours sleep
before a show out here on Pacific time. Now that
(46:23):
we're on Ireland time, let me go ahead and take
full advantage of this. And he did. He did. We
can't confirm that he did. Absolutely, that was a that
was a damn good time.
Speaker 7 (46:32):
My one complaint about our hotel in Dublin was that
they don't have ice machines.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Really, one of my favorite things.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
At hotels is the first thing I do is go
fund the ice machine, make sure it's nice and close
and so I can get stocked and ready to rock.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I always thought to myself, like, who uses the ice
machine anymore?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
If you have a fridge, what is like, why do
you need the ice machine?
Speaker 4 (46:53):
You got you gotta have ice, You got have ice
putting a drink?
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Oh okay, Lee, I I think they did have one.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
I just think you were too angled.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I thought they did. They had one on one floor
and it wasn't ours. Well, how bad do you want it?
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
All right? Shows some commitment hen in the stairway.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, Lee, were you just like hanging out on the
lobby until like I made it back.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Or Jonas made I mean Jonas really didn't go out.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
You had missed Jonas by like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
I was probably a good thing.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I went out, and, by the way, was forced to
walk the entire length of Dublin because Brady and Lee
kept saying, Oh, I know where we're going. I know
where we're going. I'm like, ah, this doesn't feel like
we know where we're going. We were closer to California
than we were our hotel at one point.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
That's not true.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
That's not s went up the exercise.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, it's probably a good idea.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
I don't think I was as drunk as Lee, but
it definitely wasn't sober.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I know that it was, by the way, worst stake
I've ever had in my life at a restaurant.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
It was.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
It was pretty pretty rough.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
But the other stuff, well, good thing you paid for
the bill too.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Well. Listen, I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
They don't accept pesos. Is that my fault? Blame Blame Dublin,
Blame their uh, you know, blame the people they handle
the revenue there. Also, I made a mistake buying Euros
at the airport. Not a good idea. The exchange rate
a little bit different than what I could have gotten
before I left. But you know, first time out of
the country to Europe, I don't tell you
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