July 8, 2024 • 33 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz are in for the guys and talk about the constant media coverage of Bronny James in the Summer League, the Mavs winning by Luka losing, the latest drama with Brandon Aiyuk and the 49ers, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Good morning to you all, Good morning to you. Jeff Schwartz.
I'll tell you what, Man, I understand. I get it,
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fully aware why Bronnie James is a story.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Lebron is a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, but Jeff, it is the life and times of
Bronnie James right now. I'm surprised we haven't had a
news like breaking news bulletin or something of like Ronnie
James just scratched his left eyebrow or something like.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Swelling his knee. Brian let him be, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, but it's I understand right, it's hey, here's a
video of his first bucket in the Summer League. Okay,
here's a video of his second bucket. Those were his
only two buckets. Here's reaction. Here's Lebron watching the video.
Was first bucket. Bronnie's got the knee issue. We gotta
have a sit down interview with Lebron about Bronni not
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caring about negativity. It's over the top, man, and it's
not gonna slow down anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Would you rather actual media focus on on baseball right now?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, that's part of it too, is there's not a
whole lot else going on.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Maybe they can focus on trying to deposit money into
your gambling accounts to make all the wagers that our
friend Bill Krackenberger keeps sending us, because I, buddy, that's
how I'm gonna spend my morning. It's finding money in
my in my checking account to send over to my
old some of the my apps to make these wagers
that our friend keeps sending us. It is. Look, it's
(02:05):
that time of the year where you're sort of you know,
you got Baseball All Star Game coming up next week,
and you have this year for the first time ever,
we have w n B A, right, yeah, we have
you know some soccer now, you know internationally to talk
about I don't think anyone tunes into me to hear
me break down Ruguay Columbia on Wednesday night, and you know,
(02:26):
we just we're counting down to football. This is the
this is the final countdown, you know, after fourth of July.
It it feels like football is coming soon, and so
we have to just, Brian, we have to get there.
We're we're and and we're getting there by talking about
Brownie and w n B A, which which actually is
(02:47):
incredible to watch right now, and a wager on by
the way, we've been doing both of that, Me and you, we're, we're,
we're you know, we're, we're getting ourselves prepped for for football,
and we're doing it by talking about everything else.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, we're getting there. We're inching our way closer and
closer to football being back. And in the meantime, I
guess it is blow by freaking blow updates on the
life and times of Bronnie James. And you mentioned the WNBA, Jeff,
That's where my mind went. Where I'm thinking, if you
compare the coverage and the reaction to the coverage of
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Bronnie James and also Caitlyn Clark It's funny how different
it is.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Because if you look at Caitlyn Clark, she's a baller.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
She's the all time women's college basketball point total god
if you will, right, like, she scored the most points.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But WNBA players hate on her.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But if you look at Bronnie, meanwhile, he's a fringe
NBA player who's getting a ton of coverage, and there
are no, thankfully no NBA players that are hating on him.
I don't hear anything of like Dalton connect saying, hey,
did you see my summer league? They you pretty good
hunt no coverage on my end or any other NBA rookie.
(04:04):
No one's hating on Bronnie, and that's great. Meanwhile, Caitlyn,
she just posted the first triple double in WNBA history
by a rookie, and think about all the negativity, not
from the outside, but like fellow WNBA players hating on her.
It's funny, like Kennedy Carter posted a few weeks ago,
(04:26):
besides three point shooting, what does she bring to the table. Man,
It's like, well, it's kind of hard to record a
triple double if you're just scoring points, you're just shooting threes.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
But it's just.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Funny how Caitlyn and Bronnie are looked at talked about differently,
and the players themselves, how they've reacted much differently to
both of those players.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well, I think one of them is obviously respect to
to lebron James, right, like this Nate's respectful and they know, Like,
here's the thing, too, is brian There's no debate about
Bronnie Jr. Like nobody thinks Brianne and ju Junior is
a good NBA player or possibly will be good. Like,
there's no debate to be had, right, there's no like,
so just say nice things.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
He's a good player. You like, there's no there's no
debate to be had, right, And you're right about Kennon Clark.
There's no debate to be had there. But at least
there's a little bit of leeway where it's like, Okay,
we have a young woman who's coming into w NBA.
We've seen you know, players of her caliber struggle as rookies,
and with Angel Reeves playing as well as she is,
there's maybe some discussion about Rookie of the Year, Like
(05:31):
there's at least something to sort of debate whether you
think it's right or wrong. There's no debate with Brownie.
It's just like cool, he's He's in the NBA Summer League, awesome,
Like I think.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's part of it.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
There's nothing to discuss with people just to fall to
be nice because they like his dad, you know, and
the player. The players I think do respect Lebron. His agency,
Clutch Sports and Rich Paul are very powerful.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I didn't getting on their bad side. It's probably not good.
So why why I bother with the debate because there's
not much a debate and everyone agrees on it, or
at least with Kayln Clark, I'm with you. I think
that's been overly harsh. I will say though her play
I think has changed the minds of a lot of players.
If you look at the reactions recently after they beat
(06:17):
the Mercury and Phoenix, dann At Tarassi was way more
positive in her comments about Klan Clark. We've seen when
they play the Aces that the reaction from the Aces
players to Kayln Clark has been way more positive. We're
just I think seeing more and more players respect her,
and I do think there was a level and we
talked about this when we've posted other shows. I think
(06:37):
it's certainly true. And I, as a former NFL player,
I understand the sentiment where you see someone like Kayln
Clark who is not physically imposing, right, She's just she
doesn't She's not a player that like looks a certain way.
She just looks like she just plays basketball, not necessarily
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ripped or or like you know, jacked up right, not
physically imposing, and makes a ton of threes. And I
think that there was veterans saying, hey, man, which gets
to this league. I could take her. I'm more physical
than her, I'm bigger, I'm stronger, and the league is
more physical than she thinks. All she did in college
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was more about, you know, just the finesse of the
college game, and not her her actual skill set. And
I think the players thought themselves as well, like, look, man,
she has not played in our league. Why she getting
praise already in our league? I know what she did
in college was impressive, but our league she's done nothing.
And I'm gonna make sure that that that stays that way.
(07:43):
I understand those thoughts, but Brian, I think we're seeing
to change because I mean, she's averaging like sixteen and
six and seven. I mean, like, yeah, the turnovers are high.
If you watch her play Somemer on her and the
other Summer on her teammates that can't catch. So I
do think that people are respecting her a little bit more.
The Rookie of Year conversation is gonna be super gross.
(08:05):
I mean, we had a national voice come out and say,
I'm voting for Injuries because her team has a better record. Well,
right now, Klon Clark's team was a better record. So
are you now switching your vote to Kaylyn Clark? How
about you just vote for the player who's better. Better
It seems like a simple thing to do. They're just
making up ways to vote. I mean, right now, the
Indiana Fever have a better winning percentage. They play two
(08:26):
more games than the Sky. But in this in your mind, right,
that's what you said, right, you said that I'm voting
for the a Juries because she has her team in
a better spot than the standings. Well now, now, Kayon Clark,
does they just beat the seventeen and three Liberty? It's
that That's why I think with Browny, it's just accepted, like, yeah,
let's let's chare them on Why not? It's not going
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to make the NBA, well Calon Clark at least are
some room for debate.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, it's just there's this feeling that has existed and
I think still exists to your point, maybe not to
the same degree because Caitlyn is proving herself in the WNBA,
She's been productive, but there's been this sense of, Hey,
why is Caitlin getting this amount of coverage and this
(09:11):
amount of love And if you look at the ratings,
it's crazy. Caitlin's games this season, they've averaged one point
one eight million viewers and all the other games have
averaged four hundred and twenty eight thousand viewers, so it's
way more than double with Caitlin Clark. So it's like, well,
that's one of the biggest reasons, Like the coverage goes
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where the ratings go. That's how it goes. That's why
you're not going to see NonStop NHL debates and topics
and all that type of coverage because the ratings aren't there.
That's why you're going to see NonStop NFL coverage. That's
where it goes. But it's just funny that argument or
that feeling of why is she getting this amount of attention?
(09:56):
That would be better served for Bronnie James. We know
why because of lebron, But if you're going to make
that argument, it would be better applied if you're doing
that with Bronni, who didn't even average five points last
season at USC, I could understand that a whole lot
more like, why are we doing blow by blow updates
(10:19):
of Bronni? That would make more sense that, Hey, why
is Caitlin getting this amount of attention. It's like, it's
pretty obvious why she was a baller in college. Now
she's doing work in the WNBA and the ratings are
following her.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's why have.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
We seen NBA Summer League ratings? Are they? Are they?
C You watch these games? That's how much I know about.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, you could watch them. You might have to sift
a little bit. I was I was watching. I texted
you last night.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Oh yeah, they didn't cover.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It was Team China against the like Charlotte Hornet's team,
maybe C team, and Team China was a fifty and
a half point under dog, and Jeff, you were like,
basically you got to take the points and that was
the right side. It was Team China all day. They
didn't get blown out by fifty one, not even close.
(11:09):
It's like half of that.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I can't believe it. I didn't go that game. I
had a chance in Charlotte. I think it was in
Charlotte to uh, I.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Don't think so. I think it was in Sacramento. It's
like they did a double header in Sacramento. I don't
know what was going on.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It was in Sacramento, Yeah it was. I don't know
if there's some mini tournament or something going. I don't
know it was.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, it was ninety three. I here is I'm gonna
look up the Hornets roster. Is there a a oh boy?
I don't know any Yeah, I know a.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Lot of I watched a little bit of it because
I was just fascinated, like, is Team China gonna lose
by fifty one to like a Hornet seed team?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And they didn't. But there was no one from Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I recognize Bryce McGowan's Leaky Black.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I recognize that name, but what a great name.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Nick Smith, Junior, Xavier Simpson and or the four had
the four most minutes for the Hornets, the Matt Morgan,
Brandon Slater. I mean, some of these guys, you can't
even click on their name. They don't have profiles in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
There's a link, there's not a.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Link to their name. So, I mean the Chinese starting
lineup was minus thirty in a point in a plus minus.
Not not great, not great there. But the Warriors beat
the Lakers, though, I'm gonna see that that's a that's
a big, big, big result last night. I see.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, it's uh, it's just funny to me because Dalton
connect could be like a real role player for the Lakers,
and he had a nice debut, But the coverage is
just like, here's a basket by Dalton on On.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
They need it, Like he's the guy type of player
that they really need to be good. Just suck someone
to score the basket, you know, more reliably than than
D'Angel Russell and the post season. You know, they need
someone to take the burn off Lebron and Ad. You know,
those guys during the regular season aren't going to play
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as much as they get older, right, And so having
a guy like Connecticut, if you guy to put up
you know, twenty twenty four points a game like him,
that just it's so helpful for your team. They need
him to be they need him to be good obviously
more than Bronny Bronnie. Look, I said when he was drafted,
I thought it was a great story, Brian. I think
it's a testament of Lebron's career that he's able to
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play long enough for son to get drafted. Like it's
just a hat tip to him, right you his son
is drafted fifty fi overall, it's not a draft picked off.
It makes the team. But but I said, I would
a reserve judgment on the whole thing until we see
what what Lebron's roster status is, and that to put
him on the roster essentially is kind of a ludicrous
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like like that's where you're taking a spot from someone
that's most likely most likely earn that spot. I understand
people will say, well, it's just a twelfth spot. I mean,
doesn't really matter to make Lebron happy. I think at
this point again, training camp invite, drafting or drafted like,
those things are are to me minuscule and overall impact
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on how we feel about, you know, a player making
a team or not like that. It's just a great story,
you know, I think it really is. But him just
getting a roster spot without earning it That's where I
think we're that God's not gonna sit as well in
the locker room. That's not gonna says around the around
the NBA. It's going to lead more to the idea
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that you know, lebron runs the Lakers, which I think
is hard to deny sometimes. But like his son making
the roster already without having proven anything, that's where I
think we I have an issue with this whole process.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think that if you look at Giannis with the
Bucks and his brother the Nassas, who has no business
on roster, you know he is He's the darko MILITI
remember when Al Michaels used to say he's the human
victory cigar. Oh yeah, who Milichick would get in there
for the Pistons. Like that's what Tanasas is. He is
the human victory cigar. But hey, t appease Giannis, you
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have his brother on the team. I get it, Like
it's happened before, so I really don't have an issue
with it. I totally understand what you're explaining where Bronnie
already given a roster spot, it's kind of like, uh uh,
I really don't have an issue with it. It's happened before.
You can find other examples. So I'm not like a
hater across the board with the story, like, oh it's nepotism.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I'm really not like that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I think overall the story is pretty cool where we've
never had a father and son in the league at
the same time, let alone be teammates. So there's gonna
be some fun special moments as far as that goes.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It's just the coverage is none freaking stop.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It's like, do we have to overdo it to this degree?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But uh, hey man, there's not a ton going on,
So I guess I guess the suits at ESPN are like, yeah,
you better do a Bronny story here.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
What else are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Goodness, I will say that, you know, I do some
writing and podcasting and stuff for Fox Sports, right, Brian,
And you'd be surprised when it's like this time of
year and they're like, we kind of just needed to
write something that people are gonna read. Just write about
the Cowboys. Yeah, hey Colorado, just talking about their win total.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
It does play man like, it does play like your
the ability for some of these brands and players and
teams to get eyeballs no matter what time of year
it is, and the name Lebron James, Brownie James. I mean,
I think there also is a fascination because you mentioned
he didn't start at USC. Now, part of that could
be he had, you know, a medical emergency at USC
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and in training camp. I believe it was maybe before
training camp, and maybe that's that kind of slowed down
his ability to start for them this season. But us
he was good for their standards last year, so maybe
he wasn't gonna play anyways. But you know, I think
there's a fascination of like, you know, is is he
gonna average four points in the Summer League or is
he gonna get seventeen eighteen twenty points where you know,
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if he's averaging in the high you know, double digits, right,
that's the wrong way to put it, like in the
high teens, let's say, ye know, it's averaging. I think
you think like, okay, well man, maybe not chance, but
four points you're like, oh yeah, that's I mean, I
think that's you know, four points ain't great.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's not a great sign.
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So good news and bad news here. Good news Giannis
to Debt to Kumbo. He's made his first Olympics team.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Grease.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
They qualify for the Paris Games here, Jeff, so cool
for him, he's very emotional on the bench. Yeah, but
for the Milwaukee Bucks. Not the greatest news Jannis. He
was injured, didn't play a single playoff game against the
Indiana Pacers. The Bucks lost in the first round, So
I would imagine some of the Bucks front office they
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must be like, Yay, awesome, I guess that's cool that
Jannis is logging more minutes for Team Grace while he
didn't play any playoff games.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
That can't be great news for the month.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Organ can't other than maybe you say like, Okay, he's healthy.
We're glad he's healthy, but yeah, it probably doesn't feel
great that he's in that situation where he's playing now
after missing the entire posies. It probably feels like just
like a you know, a bummer obviously, but you're just
sort of like like really like you couldn't. I guess
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you're happy he's healthy, right, Are we happy he's healthy?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Absolutely, they're happy about that. But it's got to be
this weird blend of hey, that's cool, he qualified, but
this kind of sucks for us that he's logging even
more minutes and feels weird because he was banged up
during the playoffs when we're paying him this much money,
but they can't tell him not to. This happened with
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Andrew Wiggins in Team Canada. The Warriors were basically like, yeah,
it was a mutual decision that he was going to
miss their training camp and he's not going to be
on their roster. And Team Canada they didn't seem to
agree with that at all. They seem to feel like, yeah,
he was told he can't compete for Team Canada. It's
a different deal with Yiannis. As the Bucks organization, you've
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been negotiating against yourself to tell Janni's he can't play
for Team Grease. He's like, I'm out of here. I'm
not playing for the Bucks ever again going forward. If
they told him he couldn't play for.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Of course he has to play. I mean he does.
You know, he's got to do it. But it's got
to be bittersweet for the Bucks, who obviously are probably
pretty bumped. He didn't play for them in the playoffs.
You know, totally did play a couple of games. But
you think you're happy that he's healthy. I am just
NBA players always talk about sort of the load management, right, right,
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like making sure, yeah he's gonna make it through a season,
making sure they're able to play and get ready for
next year and yet like the Olympics, feels like it
puts a huge wrench to the idea of of sort
of sitting there the regular season, like this isn't a
lot of extra basketball. Yes, guys are playing, We're probably
gonna see a lot more load management this year. R
(21:08):
I mean, if they're playing an entire summer more basketball, right,
the games like legitimate games, not summer league, not playing
with your boys at the gym, Like these are legitimate games. Man,
it feels like this is a gonna be a big
deal in their bodies.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, it's so funny to me.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I thought the same thing, where you hear all of
this about load management during the NBA season, and that
is all out the window when the Olympics come around,
and a lot of these players they played major minutes
throughout the entire season and now they're going right into
Olympic basketball and I haven't heard anything about managing minutes.
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So that's just right out the window. It's just so
funny how big of a part it is with the
NBA season and how it doesn't even register when it
comes to Olympic basketball. No one's talking about it whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
And I understand that there is obviously pride and playing
for the Olympics. I'm not saying he's guys shouldn't do that.
I think that they absolutely should like play, But I'm
saying it's it's just when you contrast that with the
idea of how they treat the regular season right to
then do this, it feels again like pretty pretty big,
you know, pretty you know, pretty big difference there in
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how they approach this.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, and Luka Doncic who was in the finals against
the Celtics, his team did not qualify for the Olympic
Games Slavenia. They actually got beaten by Greece by twenty
eight points in the qualifying tournament. So like Dallas has
to be like, ah, man, Luca, that that sucks man.
But for them they're like this is great, Like no
(22:39):
more extra minutes. It's better that way for the actual organization.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Oh that's funny, especially after the way the losses ended. Yes, absolutely, yeah.
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Speaker 2 (22:58):
Okay, so we've got the latest in the Brandon Aiyuk
saga over here, Jeff forty nine Ers wide receiver. He's
trying to get a contract extension. So what did he
do and follow on Instagram? That's not that's not what
he did. I'm he might have checked that box earlier.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
What do you do now?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
He's gone to TikTok.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Oh, That's that's when you do contract negotiations.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
That makes a new thing. It's a new thing. You
go to TikTok right now? So what do you do?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
He posted a picture of the Commander's practice film. Okay,
it's kind of like a twenty two view where you
can see all players from like behind the quarterback, featuring
of course, quarterback Jaden Daniels, his college teammate at Arizona State.
So it's like, oh, the NFL world is buzzing. Could
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he be a member of the Commanders over here with Ayuk?
And this whole thing is just annoying. The question is,
how do you see this ending? Do you see the
Niners giving him enough money where he stays in San Francisco?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
So the Niners have injury decisions to make here, right,
So this is the players they've pasically paid on their
roster right, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Deebo, Samuel. They paid
Jawan and Jennings their third wide receiver already, right, and
look go decent him out for a third third wide out.
On defense, they have fairly certain Fred Warner has already
(24:25):
got an extension. But if he's not, if not, he's
doing another one. Bosa has been paid. They paid Ward
in the second day. Right, players up for up for
new deals at some point, right, who fun is going
to be up for a deal at some point? Remember
how important he was to their team last year? Is
their defense got far worse when he wasn't in the lineup.
They drafted a wide receiver in the first round this
(24:45):
year in Pearsall they're they're sort of telling you by
not paying brand ay as As right now that like
we we don't have the money to do this. Brock
Party is going to be up for an extension after
the season. You have to pay him fifty five million
(25:06):
dollars a year, which is I think it makes your
head hurt, but that's the going right for quarterbacks right now.
They just can't pay everybody, and it feels like they're
looking at Brandon I you can say, hey buddy, look man,
we like you, we don't love yet. Thirty million dollars
a season. Yeah, we can't pay everybody. It's the problem
every team has when they end up in a situation
(25:29):
where you have a very talented roster, and what the
Niners have, you try to keep it together to win
super Bowls. They have the benefit right now of a
cheap quarterback. That benefit goes away in a year or two.
And if you're paying brock Party all that money, which
he's gonna get because he's just gonna get it. It's
what the league does to quarterbacks. And he went to
a Super Bowl for having sax last year. He's gonna
(25:50):
be He's gonna be paid, right. You can't pay premiums
other positions. Last year was the first year we got
a quarterback make more than twelve sent to the cider
cap to win a Super Bowl. People might argue with
that with sort of what that means, but those are
the facts, okay. And the Chiefs have a lot of
young talent on their team. The Niners at this point
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kind of don't right. They have a lot of high
priced players that are elite at their positions and not
a lot of depth on the roster, and they can't
pay brend Ayke thirty million a year, pay Debo, Patron Williams,
I forgot Kittle, pay McCaffrey, pay guys on defense. And
then also, hey man, we're gonna get brock Party a
(26:34):
contract as well. There's not enough money to go around,
and it feels like they're drawing the line in the
sand with with the AU deal. Hey man, Jefferson got
thirty five a year. That deal is not really what
the wide receiver market has been or is, and we're
not paying you that much money. And that's what it
feels like it's happening right now. Is someone going to
(26:55):
give them a couple second round picks maybe for Brandon,
are you possibly? And they'll get rid of them. But
I don't think they're going to pay them. I don't
think that that's what they feel like they need to
do for their team.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Right And look, I get it from Ayuk's standpoint, because
he's not thinking of any of that, right, He's like,
of course, yeah, I'm putting up numbers. This is my worth,
paying me my money. He's not thinking about cap scenarios or.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
This, or he's like I've heard this. Yeah, I get
that totally.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But to your point, and from the San Francisco forty
nine ers standpoint, that's exactly what you have to be
thinking of.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
This is a good problem to have.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You'd rather have the problem of there's not enough money
to go around to pay all these players, because you
have really good players. But it still is a problem.
It's better than not having enough good players. But you
still have an issue going on here, So how do
you go about it? They might move them now or
else they're going to get them at as like team
(27:56):
friendly of a deal as possible. They're looking and saying,
we can't give you justin Jefferson money. We can't give
you even like slightly less than that with everybody else
that we have to pay. So now they're in this position.
If they move Ayuk, now you're really depending on Deebo
Samuel even.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
More who's had injury issues.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And so the other route is you pay Brandon Aiyuk
as little as possible. You're gonna pay them a lot,
but as little as possible, and then you do your
cap gymnastics with moving other guys after this year and
you say, hey, this is our all in year and
then maybe you try to move debo or do whatever
you have to do to get under the cap.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
But that's the scenario they're in right now.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And with a Yuk going to TikTok and doing all
this other stuff, the niners have to look at this like, bro,
this doesn't change anything.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Like this still is the situation we're looking at.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
John Lynch is not being like, well we want to TikTok, folks,
let's pay him. But look from a player's point of view, Brian,
you don't have much leverage. You really don't, right, because
you know, if you don't go to training camp, you're
getting fined, and you don't want to get fined. You
have you You just don't have a lot of leverage here,
(29:09):
and so I understand the urge to want to just
speak up on it, right, speak up on it and
just try to basically add a little bit of flavor
to the negotiations, right, like you know, and you can
only do that if you're a player. By holding out
(29:30):
again you get fined for that, or just go to
social media and just trying to stir up the poll
a little bit, right, It never really works. But I
understand the want for the player to get on social
media and try to do that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, that's the only leverage you really have. Yeah, that's
pretty crazy to think you.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Don't want to, you don't have another leverage.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
You just don't remember.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Jamal Adams, the safety when he was with the Jets,
he did this whole social media thing, but he was
talking trash about Woody Johnson, the team owner. At one
point it was like, Okay, he's pretty much forcing his
way out and landed in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
But that's pretty much it. You've got.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
All right, I can unfollow them in IG, I can
scrub all references of the team I play for Now
you can go to TikTok.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It's a new door. It's a new avenue opened.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
By Brandon Aiyuk where he could talk trash about the
team owner Jamal Adams did.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's about it. It's holding out in social media. That's
what you got.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's not great if you're the player trying to get
a new deal man, But that's.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
It's just it's just it's just a much you know,
the NFL is just so different from other leagues where
the players just don't have a lot of say, you know,
like yeah, in not I'll say, but just a lot
of a lot of leverage publicly, and so he turns
it doesn't help. I mean unfollowing your team on Instagram.
That doesn't mean like oh the owner calls are like.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Hey guys, let's get this done.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Hen followed them.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It's now you know.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It's funny though, if you compare it to it's similar
to the chief situation where they didn't pay Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
They had a decision to make.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
They moved Tyreek Yeah, they had a decision to make.
They didn't pay Luxurious need. You can't pay everybody. He's
now with the Titans. Yeah, And so with the Niners,
you're like, Okay, is brock Purty a difference maker? Where
if we skimp and we move Brandon Ayuk, is he
still doing mahomes ish things production wise? That's that's the
(31:37):
conversation you're having with yourself right now.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
But this is what we're gonna find out, right. Look,
I thought the Chiefs getting rid of Tyreek Hill would
have triggered other teams to feel the same way about
their wide receivers. And it hasn't. It hasn't, right, And
it's because mahomes is just a difference maker, right, like,
you can do that if you're mahomes Us and you
(32:00):
have Mahomes. You can't do that on other teams, Like
you can't be the Vikings and be like, yeah, we
don't need we don't need Jefferson because you have j. J.
McCarthy or Sam Darnold. You can't do that with Mahomes.
You can. And also because the Chiefs have a lot
of they had and they still have young talent on defense,
(32:20):
cheap young talent that you could say, hey man, we'll
re lie a little bit on our defense this year
more than we have in the past. Other things don't
have the benefit of doing that. The Niners, though, do
because they have a very talented team around Rock Party.
But I think your point about Party is the thing
I come back to here, is right, And so Patrick
Mahomes makes the entire team that much better, right, elevates
(32:45):
everyone around him. Does Perdy do that for the Niners
or does the offense do that for the Niners?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I think the offense does it more for Party than
does the offense.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And that's why I think is the difficult part about this. Right.
It's like you're gonna not pay Brandon eye, Let's just
go with that right, not pay him, have pearsall, have
Juwan Jennings, have Deebo Samuel and then pay McCaffrey all
this money. Not McCaffrey pay party. Oh boy, I don't
(33:15):
know that's enough around it right, Because Kittle's getting a
little older, Trey Williams is not playing forever, the rest
of the offensive line, there's some question marks. Man. That
feels like a really really tough to roll with a
team like that and expect the office to be the same.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yet you got one last year with a great supporting
cast around party. But to your point, when you're paying
him fifty five million a year, you got a skimp.
And then where are you? You're not in as good
of a position. So it's a huge year for the Niners.
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Good morning to you all, Good morning to you. Jeff Schwartz.
I'll tell you what, Man, I understand. I get it,
(00:41):
fully aware why Bronnie James is a story.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Lebron is a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, but Jeff, it is the life and times of
Bronnie James right now. I'm surprised we haven't had a
news like breaking news bulletin or something of like Ronnie
James just scratched his left eyebrow or something like.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Swelling his knee. Brian let him be, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, but it's I understand right, it's hey, here's a
video of his first bucket in the Summer League. Okay,
here's a video of his second bucket. Those were his
only two buckets. Here's reaction. Here's Lebron watching the video.
Was first bucket. Bronnie's got the knee issue. We gotta
have a sit down interview with Lebron about Bronni not
(01:28):
caring about negativity. It's over the top, man, and it's
not gonna slow down anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Would you rather actual media focus on on baseball right now?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, that's part of it too, is there's not a
whole lot else going on.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Maybe they can focus on trying to deposit money into
your gambling accounts to make all the wagers that our
friend Bill Krackenberger keeps sending us, because I, buddy, that's
how I'm gonna spend my morning. It's finding money in
my in my checking account to send over to my
old some of the my apps to make these wagers
that our friend keeps sending us. It is. Look, it's
(02:05):
that time of the year where you're sort of you know,
you got Baseball All Star Game coming up next week,
and you have this year for the first time ever,
we have w n B A, right, yeah, we have
you know some soccer now, you know internationally to talk
about I don't think anyone tunes into me to hear
me break down Ruguay Columbia on Wednesday night, and you know,
(02:26):
we just we're counting down to football. This is the
this is the final countdown, you know, after fourth of July.
It it feels like football is coming soon, and so
we have to just, Brian, we have to get there.
We're we're and and we're getting there by talking about
Brownie and w n B A, which which actually is
(02:47):
incredible to watch right now, and a wager on by
the way, we've been doing both of that, Me and you, we're, we're,
we're you know, we're, we're getting ourselves prepped for for football,
and we're doing it by talking about everything else.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, we're getting there. We're inching our way closer and
closer to football being back. And in the meantime, I
guess it is blow by freaking blow updates on the
life and times of Bronnie James. And you mentioned the WNBA, Jeff,
That's where my mind went. Where I'm thinking, if you
compare the coverage and the reaction to the coverage of
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Bronnie James and also Caitlyn Clark It's funny how different
it is.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Because if you look at Caitlyn Clark, she's a baller.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
She's the all time women's college basketball point total god
if you will, right, like, she scored the most points.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But WNBA players hate on her.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But if you look at Bronnie, meanwhile, he's a fringe
NBA player who's getting a ton of coverage, and there
are no, thankfully no NBA players that are hating on him.
I don't hear anything of like Dalton connect saying, hey,
did you see my summer league? They you pretty good
hunt no coverage on my end or any other NBA rookie.
(04:04):
No one's hating on Bronnie, and that's great. Meanwhile, Caitlyn,
she just posted the first triple double in WNBA history
by a rookie, and think about all the negativity, not
from the outside, but like fellow WNBA players hating on her.
It's funny, like Kennedy Carter posted a few weeks ago,
(04:26):
besides three point shooting, what does she bring to the table. Man,
It's like, well, it's kind of hard to record a
triple double if you're just scoring points, you're just shooting threes.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
But it's just.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Funny how Caitlyn and Bronnie are looked at talked about differently,
and the players themselves, how they've reacted much differently to
both of those players.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well, I think one of them is obviously respect to
to lebron James, right, like this Nate's respectful and they know, Like,
here's the thing, too, is brian There's no debate about
Bronnie Jr. Like nobody thinks Brianne and ju Junior is
a good NBA player or possibly will be good. Like,
there's no debate to be had, right, there's no like,
so just say nice things.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
He's a good player. You like, there's no there's no
debate to be had, right, And you're right about Kennon Clark.
There's no debate to be had there. But at least
there's a little bit of leeway where it's like, Okay,
we have a young woman who's coming into w NBA.
We've seen you know, players of her caliber struggle as rookies,
and with Angel Reeves playing as well as she is,
there's maybe some discussion about Rookie of the Year, Like
(05:31):
there's at least something to sort of debate whether you
think it's right or wrong. There's no debate with Brownie.
It's just like cool, he's He's in the NBA Summer League, awesome,
Like I think.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's part of it.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
There's nothing to discuss with people just to fall to
be nice because they like his dad, you know, and
the player. The players I think do respect Lebron. His agency,
Clutch Sports and Rich Paul are very powerful.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I didn't getting on their bad side. It's probably not good.
So why why I bother with the debate because there's
not much a debate and everyone agrees on it, or
at least with Kayln Clark, I'm with you. I think
that's been overly harsh. I will say though her play
I think has changed the minds of a lot of players.
If you look at the reactions recently after they beat
(06:17):
the Mercury and Phoenix, dann At Tarassi was way more
positive in her comments about Klan Clark. We've seen when
they play the Aces that the reaction from the Aces
players to Kayln Clark has been way more positive. We're
just I think seeing more and more players respect her,
and I do think there was a level and we
talked about this when we've posted other shows. I think
(06:37):
it's certainly true. And I, as a former NFL player,
I understand the sentiment where you see someone like Kayln
Clark who is not physically imposing, right, She's just she
doesn't She's not a player that like looks a certain way.
She just looks like she just plays basketball, not necessarily
(06:58):
ripped or or like you know, jacked up right, not
physically imposing, and makes a ton of threes. And I
think that there was veterans saying, hey, man, which gets
to this league. I could take her. I'm more physical
than her, I'm bigger, I'm stronger, and the league is
more physical than she thinks. All she did in college
(07:21):
was more about, you know, just the finesse of the
college game, and not her her actual skill set. And
I think the players thought themselves as well, like, look, man,
she has not played in our league. Why she getting
praise already in our league? I know what she did
in college was impressive, but our league she's done nothing.
And I'm gonna make sure that that that stays that way.
(07:43):
I understand those thoughts, but Brian, I think we're seeing
to change because I mean, she's averaging like sixteen and
six and seven. I mean, like, yeah, the turnovers are high.
If you watch her play Somemer on her and the
other Summer on her teammates that can't catch. So I
do think that people are respecting her a little bit more.
The Rookie of Year conversation is gonna be super gross.
(08:05):
I mean, we had a national voice come out and say,
I'm voting for Injuries because her team has a better record. Well,
right now, Klon Clark's team was a better record. So
are you now switching your vote to Kaylyn Clark? How
about you just vote for the player who's better. Better
It seems like a simple thing to do. They're just
making up ways to vote. I mean, right now, the
Indiana Fever have a better winning percentage. They play two
(08:26):
more games than the Sky. But in this in your mind, right,
that's what you said, right, you said that I'm voting
for the a Juries because she has her team in
a better spot than the standings. Well now, now, Kayon Clark,
does they just beat the seventeen and three Liberty? It's
that That's why I think with Browny, it's just accepted, like, yeah,
let's let's chare them on Why not? It's not going
(08:47):
to make the NBA, well Calon Clark at least are
some room for debate.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, it's just there's this feeling that has existed and
I think still exists to your point, maybe not to
the same degree because Caitlyn is proving herself in the WNBA,
She's been productive, but there's been this sense of, Hey,
why is Caitlin getting this amount of coverage and this
(09:11):
amount of love And if you look at the ratings,
it's crazy. Caitlin's games this season, they've averaged one point
one eight million viewers and all the other games have
averaged four hundred and twenty eight thousand viewers, so it's
way more than double with Caitlin Clark. So it's like, well,
that's one of the biggest reasons, Like the coverage goes
(09:33):
where the ratings go. That's how it goes. That's why
you're not going to see NonStop NHL debates and topics
and all that type of coverage because the ratings aren't there.
That's why you're going to see NonStop NFL coverage. That's
where it goes. But it's just funny that argument or
that feeling of why is she getting this amount of attention?
(09:56):
That would be better served for Bronnie James. We know
why because of lebron, But if you're going to make
that argument, it would be better applied if you're doing
that with Bronni, who didn't even average five points last
season at USC, I could understand that a whole lot
more like, why are we doing blow by blow updates
(10:19):
of Bronni? That would make more sense that, Hey, why
is Caitlin getting this amount of attention. It's like, it's
pretty obvious why she was a baller in college. Now
she's doing work in the WNBA and the ratings are
following her.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's why have.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
We seen NBA Summer League ratings? Are they? Are they?
C You watch these games? That's how much I know about.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, you could watch them. You might have to sift
a little bit. I was I was watching. I texted
you last night.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Oh yeah, they didn't cover.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It was Team China against the like Charlotte Hornet's team,
maybe C team, and Team China was a fifty and
a half point under dog, and Jeff, you were like,
basically you got to take the points and that was
the right side. It was Team China all day. They
didn't get blown out by fifty one, not even close.
(11:09):
It's like half of that.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I can't believe it. I didn't go that game. I
had a chance in Charlotte. I think it was in
Charlotte to uh, I.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Don't think so. I think it was in Sacramento. It's
like they did a double header in Sacramento. I don't
know what was going on.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It was in Sacramento, Yeah it was. I don't know
if there's some mini tournament or something going. I don't
know it was.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, it was ninety three. I here is I'm gonna
look up the Hornets roster. Is there a a oh boy?
I don't know any Yeah, I know a.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Lot of I watched a little bit of it because
I was just fascinated, like, is Team China gonna lose
by fifty one to like a Hornet seed team?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And they didn't. But there was no one from Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I recognize Bryce McGowan's Leaky Black.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I recognize that name, but what a great name.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Nick Smith, Junior, Xavier Simpson and or the four had
the four most minutes for the Hornets, the Matt Morgan,
Brandon Slater. I mean, some of these guys, you can't
even click on their name. They don't have profiles in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
There's a link, there's not a.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Link to their name. So, I mean the Chinese starting
lineup was minus thirty in a point in a plus minus.
Not not great, not great there. But the Warriors beat
the Lakers, though, I'm gonna see that that's a that's
a big, big, big result last night. I see.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, it's uh, it's just funny to me because Dalton
connect could be like a real role player for the Lakers,
and he had a nice debut, But the coverage is
just like, here's a basket by Dalton on On.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
They need it, Like he's the guy type of player
that they really need to be good. Just suck someone
to score the basket, you know, more reliably than than
D'Angel Russell and the post season. You know, they need
someone to take the burn off Lebron and Ad. You know,
those guys during the regular season aren't going to play
(13:07):
as much as they get older, right, And so having
a guy like Connecticut, if you guy to put up
you know, twenty twenty four points a game like him,
that just it's so helpful for your team. They need
him to be they need him to be good obviously
more than Bronny Bronnie. Look, I said when he was drafted,
I thought it was a great story, Brian. I think
it's a testament of Lebron's career that he's able to
(13:28):
play long enough for son to get drafted. Like it's
just a hat tip to him, right you his son
is drafted fifty fi overall, it's not a draft picked off.
It makes the team. But but I said, I would
a reserve judgment on the whole thing until we see
what what Lebron's roster status is, and that to put
him on the roster essentially is kind of a ludicrous
(13:51):
like like that's where you're taking a spot from someone
that's most likely most likely earn that spot. I understand
people will say, well, it's just a twelfth spot. I mean,
doesn't really matter to make Lebron happy. I think at
this point again, training camp invite, drafting or drafted like,
those things are are to me minuscule and overall impact
(14:12):
on how we feel about, you know, a player making
a team or not like that. It's just a great story,
you know, I think it really is. But him just
getting a roster spot without earning it That's where I
think we're that God's not gonna sit as well in
the locker room. That's not gonna says around the around
the NBA. It's going to lead more to the idea
(14:34):
that you know, lebron runs the Lakers, which I think
is hard to deny sometimes. But like his son making
the roster already without having proven anything, that's where I
think we I have an issue with this whole process.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think that if you look at Giannis with the
Bucks and his brother the Nassas, who has no business
on roster, you know he is He's the darko MILITI
remember when Al Michaels used to say he's the human
victory cigar. Oh yeah, who Milichick would get in there
for the Pistons. Like that's what Tanasas is. He is
the human victory cigar. But hey, t appease Giannis, you
(15:13):
have his brother on the team. I get it, Like
it's happened before, so I really don't have an issue
with it. I totally understand what you're explaining where Bronnie
already given a roster spot, it's kind of like, uh uh,
I really don't have an issue with it. It's happened before.
You can find other examples. So I'm not like a
hater across the board with the story, like, oh it's nepotism.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I'm really not like that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I think overall the story is pretty cool where we've
never had a father and son in the league at
the same time, let alone be teammates. So there's gonna
be some fun special moments as far as that goes.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It's just the coverage is none freaking stop.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It's like, do we have to overdo it to this degree?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But uh, hey man, there's not a ton going on,
So I guess I guess the suits at ESPN are like, yeah,
you better do a Bronny story here.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
What else are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Goodness, I will say that, you know, I do some
writing and podcasting and stuff for Fox Sports, right, Brian,
And you'd be surprised when it's like this time of
year and they're like, we kind of just needed to
write something that people are gonna read. Just write about
the Cowboys. Yeah, hey Colorado, just talking about their win total.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
It does play man like, it does play like your
the ability for some of these brands and players and
teams to get eyeballs no matter what time of year
it is, and the name Lebron James, Brownie James. I mean,
I think there also is a fascination because you mentioned
he didn't start at USC. Now, part of that could
be he had, you know, a medical emergency at USC
(16:53):
and in training camp. I believe it was maybe before
training camp, and maybe that's that kind of slowed down
his ability to start for them this season. But us
he was good for their standards last year, so maybe
he wasn't gonna play anyways. But you know, I think
there's a fascination of like, you know, is is he
gonna average four points in the Summer League or is
he gonna get seventeen eighteen twenty points where you know,
(17:15):
if he's averaging in the high you know, double digits, right,
that's the wrong way to put it, like in the
high teens, let's say, ye know, it's averaging. I think
you think like, okay, well man, maybe not chance, but
four points you're like, oh yeah, that's I mean, I
think that's you know, four points ain't great.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's not a great sign.
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So good news and bad news here. Good news Giannis
to Debt to Kumbo. He's made his first Olympics team.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Grease.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
They qualify for the Paris Games here, Jeff, so cool
for him, he's very emotional on the bench. Yeah, but
for the Milwaukee Bucks. Not the greatest news Jannis. He
was injured, didn't play a single playoff game against the
Indiana Pacers. The Bucks lost in the first round, So
I would imagine some of the Bucks front office they
(18:56):
must be like, Yay, awesome, I guess that's cool that
Jannis is logging more minutes for Team Grace while he
didn't play any playoff games.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
That can't be great news for the month.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Organ can't other than maybe you say like, Okay, he's healthy.
We're glad he's healthy, but yeah, it probably doesn't feel
great that he's in that situation where he's playing now
after missing the entire posies. It probably feels like just
like a you know, a bummer obviously, but you're just
sort of like like really like you couldn't. I guess
(19:30):
you're happy he's healthy, right, Are we happy he's healthy?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Absolutely, they're happy about that. But it's got to be
this weird blend of hey, that's cool, he qualified, but
this kind of sucks for us that he's logging even
more minutes and feels weird because he was banged up
during the playoffs when we're paying him this much money,
but they can't tell him not to. This happened with
(19:54):
Andrew Wiggins in Team Canada. The Warriors were basically like, yeah,
it was a mutual decision that he was going to
miss their training camp and he's not going to be
on their roster. And Team Canada they didn't seem to
agree with that at all. They seem to feel like, yeah,
he was told he can't compete for Team Canada. It's
a different deal with Yiannis. As the Bucks organization, you've
(20:15):
been negotiating against yourself to tell Janni's he can't play
for Team Grease. He's like, I'm out of here. I'm
not playing for the Bucks ever again going forward. If
they told him he couldn't play for.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Of course he has to play. I mean he does.
You know, he's got to do it. But it's got
to be bittersweet for the Bucks, who obviously are probably
pretty bumped. He didn't play for them in the playoffs.
You know, totally did play a couple of games. But
you think you're happy that he's healthy. I am just
NBA players always talk about sort of the load management, right, right,
(20:48):
like making sure, yeah he's gonna make it through a season,
making sure they're able to play and get ready for
next year and yet like the Olympics, feels like it
puts a huge wrench to the idea of of sort
of sitting there the regular season, like this isn't a
lot of extra basketball. Yes, guys are playing, We're probably
gonna see a lot more load management this year. R
(21:08):
I mean, if they're playing an entire summer more basketball, right,
the games like legitimate games, not summer league, not playing
with your boys at the gym, Like these are legitimate games. Man,
it feels like this is a gonna be a big
deal in their bodies.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, it's so funny to me.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I thought the same thing, where you hear all of
this about load management during the NBA season, and that
is all out the window when the Olympics come around,
and a lot of these players they played major minutes
throughout the entire season and now they're going right into
Olympic basketball and I haven't heard anything about managing minutes.
(21:44):
So that's just right out the window. It's just so
funny how big of a part it is with the
NBA season and how it doesn't even register when it
comes to Olympic basketball. No one's talking about it whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
And I understand that there is obviously pride and playing
for the Olympics. I'm not saying he's guys shouldn't do that.
I think that they absolutely should like play, But I'm
saying it's it's just when you contrast that with the
idea of how they treat the regular season right to
then do this, it feels again like pretty pretty big,
you know, pretty you know, pretty big difference there in
(22:16):
how they approach this.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, and Luka Doncic who was in the finals against
the Celtics, his team did not qualify for the Olympic
Games Slavenia. They actually got beaten by Greece by twenty
eight points in the qualifying tournament. So like Dallas has
to be like, ah, man, Luca, that that sucks man.
But for them they're like this is great, Like no
(22:39):
more extra minutes. It's better that way for the actual organization.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Oh that's funny, especially after the way the losses ended. Yes, absolutely, yeah.
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Speaker 2 (22:58):
Okay, so we've got the latest in the Brandon Aiyuk
saga over here, Jeff forty nine Ers wide receiver. He's
trying to get a contract extension. So what did he
do and follow on Instagram? That's not that's not what
he did. I'm he might have checked that box earlier.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
What do you do now?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
He's gone to TikTok.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Oh, That's that's when you do contract negotiations.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
That makes a new thing. It's a new thing. You
go to TikTok right now? So what do you do?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
He posted a picture of the Commander's practice film. Okay,
it's kind of like a twenty two view where you
can see all players from like behind the quarterback, featuring
of course, quarterback Jaden Daniels, his college teammate at Arizona State.
So it's like, oh, the NFL world is buzzing. Could
(23:48):
he be a member of the Commanders over here with Ayuk?
And this whole thing is just annoying. The question is,
how do you see this ending? Do you see the
Niners giving him enough money where he stays in San Francisco?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
So the Niners have injury decisions to make here, right,
So this is the players they've pasically paid on their
roster right, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Deebo, Samuel. They paid
Jawan and Jennings their third wide receiver already, right, and
look go decent him out for a third third wide out.
On defense, they have fairly certain Fred Warner has already
(24:25):
got an extension. But if he's not, if not, he's
doing another one. Bosa has been paid. They paid Ward
in the second day. Right, players up for up for
new deals at some point, right, who fun is going
to be up for a deal at some point? Remember
how important he was to their team last year? Is
their defense got far worse when he wasn't in the lineup.
They drafted a wide receiver in the first round this
(24:45):
year in Pearsall they're they're sort of telling you by
not paying brand ay as As right now that like
we we don't have the money to do this. Brock
Party is going to be up for an extension after
the season. You have to pay him fifty five million
(25:06):
dollars a year, which is I think it makes your
head hurt, but that's the going right for quarterbacks right now.
They just can't pay everybody, and it feels like they're
looking at Brandon I you can say, hey buddy, look man,
we like you, we don't love yet. Thirty million dollars
a season. Yeah, we can't pay everybody. It's the problem
every team has when they end up in a situation
(25:29):
where you have a very talented roster, and what the
Niners have, you try to keep it together to win
super Bowls. They have the benefit right now of a
cheap quarterback. That benefit goes away in a year or two.
And if you're paying brock Party all that money, which
he's gonna get because he's just gonna get it. It's
what the league does to quarterbacks. And he went to
a Super Bowl for having sax last year. He's gonna
(25:50):
be He's gonna be paid, right. You can't pay premiums
other positions. Last year was the first year we got
a quarterback make more than twelve sent to the cider
cap to win a Super Bowl. People might argue with
that with sort of what that means, but those are
the facts, okay. And the Chiefs have a lot of
young talent on their team. The Niners at this point
(26:13):
kind of don't right. They have a lot of high
priced players that are elite at their positions and not
a lot of depth on the roster, and they can't
pay brend Ayke thirty million a year, pay Debo, Patron Williams,
I forgot Kittle, pay McCaffrey, pay guys on defense. And
then also, hey man, we're gonna get brock Party a
(26:34):
contract as well. There's not enough money to go around,
and it feels like they're drawing the line in the
sand with with the AU deal. Hey man, Jefferson got
thirty five a year. That deal is not really what
the wide receiver market has been or is, and we're
not paying you that much money. And that's what it
feels like it's happening right now. Is someone going to
(26:55):
give them a couple second round picks maybe for Brandon,
are you possibly? And they'll get rid of them. But
I don't think they're going to pay them. I don't
think that that's what they feel like they need to
do for their team.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Right And look, I get it from Ayuk's standpoint, because
he's not thinking of any of that, right, He's like,
of course, yeah, I'm putting up numbers. This is my worth,
paying me my money. He's not thinking about cap scenarios or.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
This, or he's like I've heard this. Yeah, I get
that totally.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But to your point, and from the San Francisco forty
nine ers standpoint, that's exactly what you have to be
thinking of.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
This is a good problem to have.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You'd rather have the problem of there's not enough money
to go around to pay all these players, because you
have really good players. But it still is a problem.
It's better than not having enough good players. But you
still have an issue going on here, So how do
you go about it? They might move them now or
else they're going to get them at as like team
(27:56):
friendly of a deal as possible. They're looking and saying,
we can't give you justin Jefferson money. We can't give
you even like slightly less than that with everybody else
that we have to pay. So now they're in this position.
If they move Ayuk, now you're really depending on Deebo
Samuel even.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
More who's had injury issues.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And so the other route is you pay Brandon Aiyuk
as little as possible. You're gonna pay them a lot,
but as little as possible, and then you do your
cap gymnastics with moving other guys after this year and
you say, hey, this is our all in year and
then maybe you try to move debo or do whatever
you have to do to get under the cap.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
But that's the scenario they're in right now.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And with a Yuk going to TikTok and doing all
this other stuff, the niners have to look at this like, bro,
this doesn't change anything.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Like this still is the situation we're looking at.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
John Lynch is not being like, well we want to TikTok, folks,
let's pay him. But look from a player's point of view, Brian,
you don't have much leverage. You really don't, right, because
you know, if you don't go to training camp, you're
getting fined, and you don't want to get fined. You
have you You just don't have a lot of leverage here,
(29:09):
and so I understand the urge to want to just
speak up on it, right, speak up on it and
just try to basically add a little bit of flavor
to the negotiations, right, like you know, and you can
only do that if you're a player. By holding out
(29:30):
again you get fined for that, or just go to
social media and just trying to stir up the poll
a little bit, right, It never really works. But I
understand the want for the player to get on social
media and try to do that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, that's the only leverage you really have. Yeah, that's
pretty crazy to think you.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Don't want to, you don't have another leverage.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
You just don't remember.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Jamal Adams, the safety when he was with the Jets,
he did this whole social media thing, but he was
talking trash about Woody Johnson, the team owner. At one
point it was like, Okay, he's pretty much forcing his
way out and landed in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
But that's pretty much it. You've got.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
All right, I can unfollow them in IG, I can
scrub all references of the team I play for Now
you can go to TikTok.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It's a new door. It's a new avenue opened.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
By Brandon Aiyuk where he could talk trash about the
team owner Jamal Adams did.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's about it. It's holding out in social media. That's
what you got.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's not great if you're the player trying to get
a new deal man, But that's.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
It's just it's just it's just a much you know,
the NFL is just so different from other leagues where
the players just don't have a lot of say, you know,
like yeah, in not I'll say, but just a lot
of a lot of leverage publicly, and so he turns
it doesn't help. I mean unfollowing your team on Instagram.
That doesn't mean like oh the owner calls are like.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Hey guys, let's get this done.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Hen followed them.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It's now you know.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It's funny though, if you compare it to it's similar
to the chief situation where they didn't pay Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
They had a decision to make.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
They moved Tyreek Yeah, they had a decision to make.
They didn't pay Luxurious need. You can't pay everybody. He's
now with the Titans. Yeah, And so with the Niners,
you're like, Okay, is brock Purty a difference maker? Where
if we skimp and we move Brandon Ayuk, is he
still doing mahomes ish things production wise? That's that's the
(31:37):
conversation you're having with yourself right now.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
But this is what we're gonna find out, right. Look,
I thought the Chiefs getting rid of Tyreek Hill would
have triggered other teams to feel the same way about
their wide receivers. And it hasn't. It hasn't, right, And
it's because mahomes is just a difference maker, right, like,
you can do that if you're mahomes Us and you
(32:00):
have Mahomes. You can't do that on other teams, Like
you can't be the Vikings and be like, yeah, we
don't need we don't need Jefferson because you have j. J.
McCarthy or Sam Darnold. You can't do that with Mahomes.
You can. And also because the Chiefs have a lot
of they had and they still have young talent on defense,
(32:20):
cheap young talent that you could say, hey man, we'll
re lie a little bit on our defense this year
more than we have in the past. Other things don't
have the benefit of doing that. The Niners, though, do
because they have a very talented team around Rock Party.
But I think your point about Party is the thing
I come back to here, is right, And so Patrick
Mahomes makes the entire team that much better, right, elevates
(32:45):
everyone around him. Does Perdy do that for the Niners
or does the offense do that for the Niners?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I think the offense does it more for Party than
does the offense.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And that's why I think is the difficult part about this. Right.
It's like you're gonna not pay Brandon eye, Let's just
go with that right, not pay him, have pearsall, have
Juwan Jennings, have Deebo Samuel and then pay McCaffrey all
this money. Not McCaffrey pay party. Oh boy, I don't
(33:15):
know that's enough around it right, Because Kittle's getting a
little older, Trey Williams is not playing forever, the rest
of the offensive line, there's some question marks. Man. That
feels like a really really tough to roll with a
team like that and expect the office to be the same.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yet you got one last year with a great supporting
cast around party. But to your point, when you're paying
him fifty five million a year, you got a skimp.
And then where are you? You're not in as good
of a position. So it's a huge year for the Niners.
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