July 8, 2024 • 42 mins
2 Pros & a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox fill in for Colin discussing Bronny James' debut with the Lakers and what the offseason means for LeBron James and the Lakers
They look at the AFC North and why Joe Burrow could be in the perfect position to win Comeback Player of the Year
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Where how you are.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
We appreciate you making us a part of your Monday morning.
And it's a Monday following a long ass Fourth of
July weekend, thank goodness, with people still recovering, most notably
our executive producer Lee to Lap.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Who is kind of he doing. He's in the midst of.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
The He's in a state. He's in a state right now.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
How's he doing midst of a battle.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know, he's in a battle.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
He's a he's in a twelve round slug fest with
his lower intestines, trying to figure out how.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
How he can't save himself and the rest of the studio.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Lee, are you going to be able to get through
this or what what's going on here?
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Yeah? We're gonna make it through, to get through this together.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
I am curious though, I mean, we did see the
hots all getting contests, but that actually the lemonade drinking
contest told the.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Stage, Oh god, people got to stop giving up the ghost.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Wasn't it enough?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Said the guy threw up everything he'd eaten since he
was five years old because he chugged a gallon of
lemon And people are standing there like.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
It's go anywhere though, just how you grow up your
whole life. It's just normal.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm still it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Looked like he was still holding on what he gets.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Think he is like a pool floating. I don't knows.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
He'll be all right, reserve speaking fast for the next
six months, He'll be all right. Everything's gonna be okay.
But nonetheless, we're off and running here on a Monday morning,
and I'm just noticing.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Last time care.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
You know, I'm noticing a trend here. How come like
nobody's playing with the Lakers now, like nobody wants I
don't know, I'm just looking around. I see DeMar DeRozan
is the latest. I'm seeing Clay Thompson. Like, now I
know why everyone was trying to feed you these garbage
stories about well you the father son, the last name. No.
(02:55):
The reason why they drafted Brownie James because they couldn't
get anybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
To hold with them.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
So I think that's really the reason here, because it
looks like whatever the plan was going into this offseason,
everybody's going elsewhere. Everybody's going elsewhere. And now Brownie James
has got a swollen knee and was kept out of
the second NBA Summer League game, and then he had
You know, LeVar was blown away with his two for
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nine shooting in his first Summer.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
League that was away. Yeah, he looked amazing out there and.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Text text tech I was I was being sarcastic.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Okay, because you know what responded back, I was like,
there is a.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I watched it. I watched it.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
He struggled, which that's nothing new if you've seen his game.
But look, he's a young player. He's got time to develop.
He needs to be out there playing. Though It's it's
tough when you're not healthy, you can't be out there
getting better. But it was exactly what he was defined
to be as a prospect. He struggles shooting. I mean,
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he couldn't even make a couple of free throws. But
you saw, you know, the way I leave, at least athletically,
how he can attack, how he will try to play defense.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
The problem is, the more time we see him, especially.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
In you know, defensively speaking, he's gonna struggle, Like he's
gonna struggle being able to switch on screens because he
can't match up with guys or going to be seven
eight nine ten inches taller than him, and that's unfortunately
the position that he's going to be in often being
what six one and a half or whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
He was at the NBA Combine.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Yeah, he moved around pretty good. He just couldn't make
a shot. You know, maybe that's nerves. He missed some
free throws. I mean, listen, we've gotten through the initial
you know, he he's gotten drafted. Everybody falls on there
certain sides of it. I've gotten attacked for saying what
I've said about if you say you said apparently if
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you say anything outside of it's a great pick at
fifty five, that you're a hater. And and and not
only did I get he's a hater, but I guess
I am not as good as dead as Lebron is
and and my son isn't as good a player as
bron is. That's I've gotten it all. I gotten it all,
which is okay, It's okay. I don't have any milice
in my heart or any type of hate towards Lebron
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James or Bronnie James. I just felt like, honestly speaking,
if we're shooting straight, I think we all know what
the storyline is, and that that's that's that's connected to
the draft. Now fast forward to the Summer League. There
were questions as to whether he was going to even participate,
which would make it a first ever in the history
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of the Summer League that a draft d did not participate,
but he did, so they got one game out of
the way, so regardless of a banged up knee or
whatever it may be as to why he may not
play again or play at all the rest of the
Summer League. He knocked down one game. Let's let's say
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that his movement was good. It did not look as
though he did not belong He'd looked like he which
I didn't think initially seeing him out there, that he
would look like he belonged in an NBA uniform. I
was wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
He looked like he belonged. It just looked as.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Though he had and be clear, more than any other
rookie out there, name one rookie that had the weight
of the world of their shoulders that Brownie James did
going into their first Summer League game. So, I mean,
if you expected him to be a world beater going
into it, with the type of pressure he's had on him,
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that would have been best case scenario. Worst case scenario,
maybe he misses all his shots. Okay scenario meaning you know,
it wasn't a failure. It wasn't a great success. It
just wasn't a failure either was what he did, which
is that should be on par for what it was
and good for him. He's out of the gates. He's
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out of the block.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
So Lebron spoke recently with David Minimum, the Lakers reporter,
and just kind of according to his dad. Bronnie doesn't
share the same feelings about criticism that his dad once did.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
I don't know if people really understand Bronnie. He doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I actually cared a little bit when I came in.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
I wanted people to like me, and some of the
things that people were saying about me kind of bothered
me early on in my career. I let it get
to me.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Ronnie doesn't.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
He doesn't give, he doesn't, he does not care about
nobody's he doesn't even listen to that stuff. He's like
the complete opposite of his dad. His dad will say something, yeah,
Bronnie does not care like me personally. When I was
coming up, I had no choice. I literally had no choice.
I had to make it out. I had no choice.
I had to make it out for me, my mom,
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my family. Ronnie has all the choices in the world.
So it's like a whole other people don't understand how
hard dad is in the commitment for him to be
coming out of heart surgery less than a year ago,
for him to be able to be an that's the
kid is.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
He's special.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
But he doesn't care. He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
It doesn't, it doesn't bother I.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Dig where he's coming from and and and for what
it's worth in twenty twenty four, I don't. I don't
think that it's measured or weigh the same anymore in
terms of haves and have nots. A kid that has
nothing and absolutely nothing and has to try to make
it by playing basketball, playing a sport or whatever it
may be, versus a kid who comes from privilege and
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has it all and happens to have one of the
greatest basketball players to ever play the game on on
the planet as as a father. I don't think. And
Gilbert Reenus and a couple guys had this conversation before.
I don't think that there's a discrepancy between the two,
to be honest, other than other than if the kid
that doesn't have anything going for himself in terms of family,
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wealth and resources, they have to figure it out. But
you know what, a kid like Leb Brownie James, he
has to figure it out if it doesn't go well
at the same time, So they're both facing the same thing,
which is themselves. You got to put in the work.
Are you putting in the work, are you getting the development?
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Are you being what you need to be? So I
get where he's coming from me. Man's a lot like that.
Man Man doesn't care what people He doesn't care what
people say about him. I did. I cared about what
people said. They said that I was undisciplined, or they
said that I didn't study. It upset me. I was
called an athlete much of my career. It upset me
because it's like, why can't I gain and garner the
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respect of someone who's a student of the game.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
I was.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I was one of the biggest students of the game
because I was a fan of the game, so I
always wanted to understand it. So it bothered me when
people said things about me. Man Man's like, like, it's
what it is. So I get where he's coming from.
And I think a lot of that has to do
with the way he's raised. He's raised by a guy
that has gone through it at the upper level of
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it all and and and now here they are, so
I'm just impart to them, though.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
I think that's part of it. I think the other
difference is like we grew up through an age where you.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Didn't have it.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
The reality is today's athlete cannot hide from criticism because they're.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Going to hop on social media. Everyone's got it.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
They've got to have it for marketing or business opportunities,
to connect to their fan base, whatever the case is.
So you can't avoid it. And and all of you said,
all of what you said is true. But I think
on top of that, it's just the day and age
for these athletes is they are so accustomed to the
criticism that comes with the cesspool that is social media
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that they've got thicker stin.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
They're more callous than I think people realize.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Because when when I mean when we were coming up, man,
like when social media came out, We're like, dude, where
all these guys talking trash, We're want to fight them?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Like that's that's the.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Kind of reaction you had to it because it was
so new to you.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
And get granted, it was all so probably back in
the day and age where people did get in a
lot of fights, but they kind of buried. It wasn't
as big of a deal nowadays that there's a like
lawsuits involved everything else. I just think it's a different era.
It's a different era of athlete nowadays where they have
to be able to be mentally tough enough to endure
social media.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
The good and the bad.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
I mean, as much as I'm talking about the negative
of it, there's also the build up where social media
can build people up to be you know, the best
of the best, the greatest ever. All those conversations over
just one season, and you're like, no, wait a second,
Like we've watched some of these guys in the past
and do it for a series of years, you know,
Tom Brady for two decades.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
I think there's just a difference in the way younger
athletes today now perceive themselves and social media and their
own image, and I think they're just better mentally prepared
for everything that being a professional athlete brings now even
I guess even college, but that's kind of a professional.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Athlete anyway nowadays. I mean, you just got to do
what I do. What's that all right?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Just have such a low opinion of yourself that whatever
anybody else says, yeah, whatever, that has ten dollars, that's
the truth.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
That's passive aggressive. It's not passive aggressive. It's the truth
putting yourself down. Knowing that on the other side of it,
you're like, man, I am the sexiest mofo A laugh, Brady,
You Brady? Is you you think you are. It's the difference.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean I I had.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I thought I was going to be interested in watching
Brownie James actually play, and then I saw a couple
of highlights. I mean, the fact that we were to
find a couple of highlights is impressive, but I saw
get highlights. I have no interest in watching him playing
the Summer League because I look at it like it's
like a buddy that you know is not funny, and
he tries stand up comedy, like he doesn't open mic night,
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and you're like, I don't even want to go because
he's gonna find out real quick he doesn't qualify to
be on that stage, and like, I don't want to
watch him go through and struggle and take because anybody
that's got an issue with Bronnie James has an issue
with lebron James and that that's really where this is
coming from. And he's never done anything to where I'm like, well, yeah,
(13:15):
like he went out and said I should be a
draft pick, I should be this, Like he threw his
name in the hat. He probably understood what the situation was,
but you've never heard him do anything really wrong or
anything that should be criticized other than just having the
same last name and who his dad is. So I
look at it and I go, I don't even want
to watch Man because we know how this is going
to go. So let's just fast track it. Let's get
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to the good part of the story. And let's just
go to the part in the regular season where him
and Lebron are on the same team together and maybe
Lebron assists him an on an open jump shot.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
He moves well enough where I could actually see him
in a regular season game, now for how long?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
For how long?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I don't know. He missed the second game because he's
got a nee swelling. We're off to a rough start,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Can we I think y'all be thinking I'm glass half empty,
which I am. I'm going glass half for today, y'all,
y'all are you? Yes?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
You too? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Y'all? Well, you know you didn't say I'm a hater
per se. You just said that, you know.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Also, can we pause because you did bring up man
Man earlier? Yes, for this audience here at the Herd.
You know, I don't know that they know the backstory
of the nickname man Man.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Who man Man is?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Man Man is LeVar Arrington the second second. Yeah, he
committed to Penn State. He's going to go play linebacker
edge at Penn State. Dammit, yeah yeah, baby.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But he's got a lie.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
I just did an interview on him this morning and
and it's like nobody knows who he is.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Like they're they're trying.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
There's all these interviews request because it's like, is he
being overvalued? Is he being undervalue? What's his value? And
the recruiting, the recruiting process, what what what's his worth?
And and it's like, is that something that you guys
talk about you think about. I said, that's one hundred
percent something that we thought about going into it.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Man.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Man hasn't done any camps, he hasn't done any seven
on sevens. All he's done is is unofficial visits. That's
it in the end, his official visits. And the reason
being is we we had the opportunity a couple of
times to possibly take them out and send them to
a bigger school. Modern Day was a school that we
(15:27):
were thinking about doing it. But we love the development
and the guidance of the head coach, Dom Ferrar that
he's under now, and we felt as though him being
under the Radar because of his name, him being man man,
so everybody calls him man. So he wasn't being called LeVar.
It's like LaVar, LeVar, LeVar if it's football terms. It
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was he was man, so nobody really knew who he
was until he started to getting recruited, which it worked
perfectly because it kept him humble, it kept them hungry,
and he was aware of the fact that he was
going to have to earn everything that he got. He
didn't start get recruited until this past year, like right
right now, his junior year, going through his junior year. Generally,
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if you're a top guy, you'll start getting recruited like
eighth ninth grade. So he's gone through the process the
right way. So that's why I'm saying I can relate
to the whole conversation with lebron and Bronni at this
point because I do have a second as well, and
and that's a heart. It's a hard place to be
in and you'll see Q and you'll see Jonas. When
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your boy gets bigger, you start to have different types
of emotions and feelings about what their accomplishments, what their
achievements are, because you have to balance being a father,
but you're also balancing trying to train them to be
successful and there in the ways that they go about
the their lives and how they prepare. But then there's
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the fan, and you should always be your kids biggest fan.
So it's like you have to find the balancing point
of not putting yourself in danger of being delusional, because
you could actually be so delusional that your kid ends
up being delusional. So I've I've always fallen on the
other side of it. I've been pretty hard on them.
I've been pretty hard on him, and listen, I feel
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like it's working so and I'm sure Lebron feels the
same exact way about how he's approached what he's doing
with Brownie and for for better or for worse, for
whatever anybody may think, the guy guided his kid to
a La Lakers jersey.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
However he got there, he got there. He's an l
A Lakers Jersey.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Yeah, man, I do.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's coming to some point.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
They right have hijack the plane.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
You know what, Oh since eleven they stole they stole
Pick fifty five.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Right, I mean we got here, I'm a pilot two.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas, are you feeling for Colin here?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Hey, my baby, I go land in Um.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Coming up next here though, we're going to tell you
about somebody in the NFL who could be destined to
have a monster season.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
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Speaker 6 (18:25):
Appaz huh uh did you know about that?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
On the ones and twos? You got problems?
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Man?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
That's nostradamis. Man, Just just so you're clear on that.
Shouts out to everybody out there that's a true hip
hop fan that knows you know, that's that's nasty nas
right there. Man.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh, Brady used to call me knoxtra dovis what would
make different?
Speaker 6 (18:49):
It's a difference.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Actually, never ever in the history of my life have
called you that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You never said that. Are you trying to sit here
on You're.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
So bad at better?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Actually, it's just it's almost the exact opposite, complete disrespect
here on this show.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Is I'm talking about nos nostradamis whatever nostradomis, it is
a predictor. It is the Herd.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, it's LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up here in about
twenty minutes from now, we're going to tell you about
how somebody who has already made a claim, they have
already made a claim that you will never see this
ever again in the world of sports. We will investigate
that claim. Coming up here again about twenty minutes from now. Hey,
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you know who's just kind of sitting back ready for
the NFL season, just rehabbing and for him too and them?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Oh okay, Old Joe Burrow. Is he waiting? The Boogeyman
of Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs. Was in
a fashion show? He was He had an interesting look
going on.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Hey, just because he likes things outside of football.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
The back was blown out of his of his shirt,
you know what I mean. That's that's what I remember
from the pitch. Hey, when that happened. I bet it's
a hey when that happens.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
But Joe Burrow was no bad.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
It was spinal.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
There was no back to his shirt.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Joe Burrow did talk recently about how having an injury
means that for some reason, people kind of, you know,
lose touch with who you are and who you were
as a player.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Do you think people have forgotten about Joe Burrow?
Speaker 9 (20:35):
I believe that that's what happens when you get hurt, though,
don't play football, people forget about you. But again, that's
part of the game. You don't If you're not out
there and people aren't watching you, then there's nothing to
talk about. Yeah, so I'm gonna give people to talk
about something to talk about this year.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Well, I'm excited about it.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
So that was on part of my take Joe Burrow
talking about having an opportunity to come back this year
coming off an injury, and I did, by the way,
I did see that he took the Brady Quinn approach
back when you were playing you tried to learn piano.
Joe Burrow's doing the same thing there, Brady.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, that was a little different approach, though he was
doing it more from a rehab purpose. Maybe I was
just trying to rehab my mind at that.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Point, but you was trying to add that something to
that arsenal and I'm good, looks you pulled that smile
out and that that hair.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, the keys, No I feel.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I mean, walk into the room like Burt Backerag you
start playing the piano.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I wish I could have just walked like I wanted
to learn how to play guitar, so I could be
sitting next to you, you know, like the ugly dudes
could get away with being sexy when they played guitar. Real, Well,
you played it, you know, you play the keys, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, I was incapable of learning that.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Me too, Me too, So join the club.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Well, can't have it all, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I guess we go back.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Really to the to the the clip. That's what I
would to point on one thing in the quote that he.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Says, Yeah, let's hear it again.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Do you think people have forgotten about Joe Burrow?
Speaker 9 (21:54):
I believe that that's what happens when you get hurtough
you don't play football, people forget about you. But again,
that's part of the game. You don't If you're not
out there and people aren't watching you, then there's nothing
to talk about. Yeah, so I'm gonna get people to
talk about something to talk about this year. Well, I'm
excited about it.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Did it sound like he needed to burp or he
had like a little bit of.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Inat Yeah, he was holding on to it a little bit,
like you're trying to make this big statement. But you
know sometimes like you eat right before one of those
interviews and then you're like indigestion, something to think about that,
you know, like you're not saying it like yeah, I'm
even something to think about, man, you know, like a
little more a little more masking, a little more manly,
something like like maybe a little indigestion that.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Like our president a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
But anyway, come on, we are on Fox. But I
will say this.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
We just talked about this in the first segment. And
to answer your question, YESQ dis out like there was
something going on there for a moment. But people do
forget about you. And and it's funny because we're gonna
have news trending and we're on here about you know,
like you said, one of the legends saying what he
had to say about dynasties. But we live in such
(23:01):
a more recency effect uh society, as you highlight it
through social media and what people are are really into.
You can lose relevance in one season. You can lose
it in one season because of how much information is
disseminated and put out there. Within one season, you could
(23:24):
lose your career over one thing that takes place in
social media. So if you're not around, there's somebody that's
going to fill in that blank, you know, And that's
that's I think that that's what joe Burrow is talking about.
It used to just be you felt like a ghost
in the facility, But now because things happen so so
quickly and social media and how news is distributed now,
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it's it's very different. It's very, very very competitive being
able to maintain being a main a main stay guy,
a main stay name, especially if you get an injury
that holds you out for and it's in the amount
of time.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
There's only two teams that are bigger favorites to make
the playoffs than the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's the Chiefs
and the forty nine ers. So you know what that means.
Joey Burrow, He's in contention for the MVP, he's in
contention for Comeback Player of the Year, and the Bengals
are going to win that division. That's what that tells me.
So get ready all this Baltimore Raven fanboy crap it's over.
(24:27):
Cincinnati's taken over that division. The AFC North is theirs,
and you can book that. No man put that in
your nostram smoke it.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
I'm not against that take for this reason because I
do think Burrow is special. If he's healthy, I do
think there's cause for concern though, right. I mean, the
interesting part about hearing the clip on hey, he's doing
piano to help with his rehab is how many guys
do you here have a wrist injury that do piano
to help with the rehab. Now, granted, he's a thrower,
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so it's different, and his rehab is going to be
more unique than most athletes have a wrist injury, but
this seems pretty unique. This seems like one where from
the onset of the injury and even the recovery of
the timetable, it feels like he's gonna be battling through
some things to get back to his old self or
maybe to get back to playing at.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
A really really high level as his new normal.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
So I think they're set up to have success if
he's gonna be back bying center, because I just think
he'll find a way. He's that good of a player.
What concerns me though, is the competition the rest of
the division. I mean, you could say whatever you want
about Baltimore, but I think Cleveland to me is the
team that if I had to put money on it
right now, they're gonna win the division. That's one of
the best rosters in the NFL. Deshaun Watson's had plenty
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of time to get down Kevin Stapfhansi's his offense, and
even if he can't, even if he just manages guides
the team, that's enough for that defense, that ground attack.
With Nick Chubb coming back healthy, that's enough to be
able to get it done. So I think then Pittsburgh,
I mean Pittsburgh obviously we've talked about this a bunch
and LeVar, I know you're not as high on them
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as I am. But if they get Russell Wilson from
what he did last year, that's a playoff team with
Russell Wilson at starting at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, I think they're a playoff team.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I just don't think they're I don't think they're I
think they're second third in the North.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
So here.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So here's what I'll ask you is what were the
Bengals ranked last year. Defensively they were probably pretty good
thirty first, No, thirty first in total defense.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well so, dang going too far with a thirty first
ranked defense.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
And and look, we could chalk that up to hey,
they player with the backup quarterback. With that being said,
Jake Browning did a hell of a job last year
as he kept that team in it. He bawled out
and I know Jonas is gonna talk about something else.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
What do you mean, what do you get in?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I'm not I'm not going down that direction.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Huh White at of the game? What do you want?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
He had the best press box in the league.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
I'll just say that. Tang.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Okay, there it was.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I mean, he's not lying. He ain't lying.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
The point is, it's not like you the back didn't
step up?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Was it was it?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Indy?
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Was it football?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
All right?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
So so Brat, you're telling me, you like, if you
were to look at a team to win the division,
that Cleveland would be the team that you would look at.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
That would be.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Based on the odds right now, So which is which?
Usually you have those at the tip of your at
the tip of your top.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Six to one plus six hundred to win the division
or the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
That's crazy to me because here's the thing. If that
holds true, if that holds true, I think I think, look,
what are you doing. I think that that the Steelers
are are a mid tier team. I don't think that
they're a divisional winner this year. I think they're mid tier.
So they're second or third. So if if if you
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and and betting, if you guys in betting people have
the Cleveland Browns winning it, then that means to me,
that means to me that since he and the Steelers
are are fighting for four, well, so Baltimore is the
favorite to win the division. I think they're going to
win the division.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Cincinnati's right behind them, and then you've got pretty far
back or Cleveland at plus six hundred, and then Shacksburgh.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I feel like Pittsburgh. I feel like Pittsburgh falls into
that second space and then Cincinnati and Cleveland fight it
out for that third and and I don't I don't
say that as it's a it's a no, it's not
a successful season for Cleveland or Cincinnati. I'm just saying
I think that Pittsburgh and Baltimore, if if history serves
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serves correctly, outside of recency that you you're looking out
of Baltimore team that should be better, and you're looking
out a Pittsburgh team that should be good enough. They've
always been. They've been good enough as of late. That's
what I'll say. I'm I'm gonna say they're good. They're
they're they're good to win the division. I think they're
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good enough to be at that second and third spot
in the North. Let me ask you has a question,
all right, and this is a little bit in the weeds,
but there's nothing else going on. Me who cares?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
All things being equal, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Burrow have
pretty similar seasons and their teams have bounced back years.
Who do you think it's comeback player of the Year.
I think it'll be Joe Burrow because I think it's
going to be Aaron Rodgers. I think it's going to
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be Aaron.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Rodgers because they've got more prime time games, and so
if he does have that, it's gonna be more.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
You're looking at me, funny, like you look at That
doesn't mean they're going to win. That doesn't mean they're
going to win. That was gonna be time permitted. That
was gonna be my other question Who's.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Because I know we're gonna go into that's gonna get
Coach of the Year. I was getting Brady, uh and,
and only Brady can answer this. I was gonna ask him, like,
Who's LeVar a bigger hater of Aaron Rodgers or Lebron James.
It's a three horse race.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Russ is probably number one. I don't like to think
that LaVar is a hater of you. He just stands
on his opinion, thank you.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
But I would say number one as far as him
being critical of it would be Russell's number two.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I mean, are we throwing Lebron in there? If you
want to?
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Lebron would be number two, and then number three. I
don't think he's even actually critical of Rogers. He's critical
of the Jets.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
That's very correct. That's that is wow. Like he knows me, man,
I do, Man, that is very true.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I'm critical.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Here's my question to you, though, have you not received
backlash from Jets fans?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Now?
Speaker 7 (30:57):
I just remember a couple of years ago I got
everything from I think because Wilson thing wasn't gonna work
out and no one wanted to listen, which I do
respect the fact they defended Zach Wilson, who was the
quarterback at the time.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
And I got nothing against Zack Wilson.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
I just felt like he needed a lot of time
to develop before he was going to be what they
expected him to be, which honestly, he played his best football.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
I think there was still hope when you said what
you said, and what happened took place last year was
like snake bitten type deal, and it's there's either the
quiet optimism where I'm going to get the backlash once
they're seven and oh, nine and oh during the course
of the season, I'm gonna get just smashed, like you
don't know what you're talking about. Ha ha ha ha
(31:40):
j e t s, Jets, Jets, Jets, all that stuff.
I'll get it later. I'll get it later from from
the bandwagon fair Weather fans, That's what I'll get. But
as of right now, I think that the hope isn't
high enough for them to come after me that way
because there's nothing for them to stand on. You can't
stand on Aaron Rodgers. He went out in after four plays.
(32:01):
You can't do it, won't do it, can't win with it.
You got to show me, you got to show me
and there's nothing else you can stand on. Oh you
got one of the best rosters. Yeah you do. Your
defense looks really good, Yeah it does. You improved your
offensive lineman, we are, yes, you did. I've never seen
(32:22):
bad culture offset by dope players or coaching, never seen it.
So if they have a great year, if they have
a great year, then that will mean that for me,
it will mark one of the first moments where I've
seen a decrepit culturally decrepit team actually overcome bad culture
(32:47):
unless they've changed, unless the culture has changed, which I
don't see that. It's been too long. It's been bad
culture for too long. And if we're looking at how
they've interviewed during the course of this offseason, with the
whole where Aaron Rodgers today? Where's there? Where's Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (33:05):
I mean I doubt he was a you telling me
he wasn't throwing routes to a camel while he was
out there.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
They're not doing James vander.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
They're not doing pat and go line to James Vanderbeek
or like likenk from a Napoleon dynamite.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I don't know, out there with the.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Think about it, like going back to Varsity Blues.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
You know, yeah, I forgot to go there. I mean
they was like, was.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Tweeter along with them catching passes?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Maybe maybe maybe he was. Maybe they had a cop
car too, you know what I mean. I'm just maybe
they just had cowboy.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Boots and whip cream bikini anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
No, it wasn't a whipped cream bikini. No, I seeing
how old James Vanderbeek was.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Maybe it wasn't about puking and rallying. By the way,
how could you Varsity Blues came out in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Hey, he's not even but that isn't even here any all.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Just speak, I'll speak of the room. That movie sucked.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
You're not you're not.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
They're not a high school football, was kidding if you
were a high school football that's actually a dope kidding.
But how could you be a fan? Super accurate? How
could you?
Speaker 5 (34:16):
How could you be a fan of the program and
then turned Varsity Blues different levels of football, it's non
alcoholic football.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
One was one was college, which was dope. One was
both The program was dope, but one was high school.
And it just gave you and it was like a
fun feeling, like Friday Night Lights was more serious. It's
like like you know the book. I read the book.
I read Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
The book.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Jesse Armstead, one of my old teammates, is in the
book like he played for what what?
Speaker 6 (34:44):
What?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
What?
Speaker 6 (34:44):
What was the team Odessa played? I Forgetting Midland or
something Midland Ess or something like that. Anyway, that was
a more serious high school football film. Varsity Blues was
just everything fun about what you could remember if you
or part of play. There were old hits that would
come to our games and meet up at Monticello's pizza
(35:06):
after the games with their letterman jackets on.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
They'd be there from nineteen from the Concrete from.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Team.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
There'd be dudes there with their letterman jackets on in
there with.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Us getting pizza. Bunch of losers. You call it what
you want. We all had our letterman jackets. I'll tell
you that, all.
Speaker 10 (35:25):
Hitting on the same girls. Damn, you can't hate old
varsity you want that.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I ain't know nothing to buy beer exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
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Speaker 3 (36:16):
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Speaker 11 (36:26):
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Speaker 6 (37:31):
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Speaker 4 (37:35):
Line.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
News is Ryan Music. Hey, what's going on, guys, Great
to be with you today. Pointed out a very key
detail to House of the Dragon or whatever. It's very
tied into the plot and the outcome of the entire story,
by the way, so you have to watch that part.
Don't forget all right, let's start our attention to the NBA. Huh,
(37:56):
that's right, definitely tied in.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
I got you.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
The Warriors won't look the same without Klay Thompson leaving
for the Mavericks, bringing an end to their Big Three
era and likely the end of their dynasty. Step Curry,
talking to ESPN, says, we probably won't see another run
like we did in Golden State. I don't think it
will be replicated, just because it's very hard to keep
things together in this league. A lot more player movement, Me,
(38:19):
Clay and Draymond. We complimented each other so well for
so long. We all brought something different to the table.
We'll see. Records are meant to be broken, but we
will see a lot of people said the same thing
when Tom Brady and the Patriots were kind of phasing out.
I was like, Oh, we're never going to see that again.
And Patrick Marle just got like three Super Bowls in
like five years or something like that.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, a long way to go, Yeah, a long way,
A long way to go.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
I just they're not wrong, right, I mean the run
that Golden State Warriors had, I think it will be
tough to replicate again for a couple of reasons. I mean, one,
obviously it is tough to keep everyone together. But to it,
I do feel like their method, their style of play
ultimately led to that run of winning what three and
four years, going to five straight. That was a simple
(39:06):
factor of putting together guys like Steph Curry, like Clay,
like Draymond, guys who kind of all compliment each other
in that fashion, who could shoot the three, stretch the perimeter.
I mean, it was just it wasn't seen quite as
much in the NBA. Nowadays, it's it's very common. Everyone's
trying to replicate or copy of them. But for that
reason alone, I think it's to be hard for them
to be able to have that sort of sustained success.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Anything's possible, anything's possible. A lot of times anything's possible. Yeah,
but we did it.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Somebody might come along and do it.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Man. I mean, you doesn't ever know, I think to
your point, Brady, the other thing that some people overlook
about how the Warriors dynasty came about was getting Steph
Curry locked in on a long term deal at a
well below market rate because he had injury problems with
his ankles early on in his career. Is what led
to them even having the financial flexibility to land a
(40:03):
player like Kevin Durant to win those titles while Lebron
James and Kyrie Irving were in Cleveland. So that sort
of financial flexibility seems almost impossible to come by in
today's modern end.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
But remember when people.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Were questioning because they basically chose Steph Curry over Monte
Ellis and they were like, you really want.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
To go that direction?
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I mean, Alis is a great place, damn man talking
about the move of all moves.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Yeah, well it's possible, it could happen. Maybe highly unlikely,
but just like Usain Bolt's record right in the hundred's
highly unlikely, but it's possible.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Les Is he's a beast.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
He said, it's awesome.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Beat.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
I'm gonna beat that this year.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
I don't know that he's gonna get it. I don't
know that they're gonna get flow Jo's two hundred either,
but I don't know they're closed. But no, Cigar, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
All I we'll wrap up with this.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
In the NFL, Dolphins offense gets a lot of love
underhead coach.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
McDaniel.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
What was that?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
What to uh.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
Kill?
Speaker 5 (41:08):
And Jayden Jalen Wattle, here we go. But it's the
defense that people have some questions about. While they're linebacker.
David Long Junior is confident they'll be able to hold
up their end of the deal. He said, quote, we
got a lot of dogs coming in. Some dogs are
already there. We're just reloading guys.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I'm coming in too.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
You know, we are baby a top top Why Why
did what happened with Vic Fangio there? I don't know,
because it's like, well, I just want to know because
everyone was like, you couldn't get out of there fast enough?
Speaker 6 (41:39):
And then you had guys like Jalen Rams. Isn't it
Philly's right? Philly Like?
Speaker 5 (41:45):
And he helped Philly, you know, in that Super Bowl
against the Chiefs a couple of years ago. I think
he was a consultant. But I just well, you know,
trying to have what he did. But I just I
wonder sort of what the situation was. Was he really
holding back the defense?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
And all?
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Also, is Tuo gonna get paid? Are we going to
go into this season without him getting a contract? Is
this gonna get done?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
So, Brady Quinn, let's just start off with the defense.
For some I love Anthony Weaver. I think they've got
all the pieces LeVar touched on their first round draft pick.
But even the guys like Jordan Poyer who they signed,
who comes from Buffalo, knows the division.
Speaker 7 (42:20):
Well, you know, David Long's played a long time in
the league. They've got guys, I mean, Kays Campbell's played forever. Literally,
you know he's coming back taking this opportunity. So I
love what they've done this offseason. I think they'll be
a good tender.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
M Interesting.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
There you go, Well there it is. So you want
the answers like that you asked Brady Quinn. Here you
go till you finish up hour one.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
Who is kind of he doing. He's in the midst of.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
The He's in a state. He's in a state right now.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
How's he doing midst of a battle.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know, he's in a battle.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
He's a he's in a twelve round slug fest with
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Speaker 3 (01:28):
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Speaker 5 (01:32):
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this or what what's going on here?
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Yeah? We're gonna make it through, to get through this together.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
I am curious though, I mean, we did see the
hots all getting contests, but that actually the lemonade drinking
contest told the.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Stage, Oh god, people got to stop giving up the ghost.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Wasn't it enough?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Said the guy threw up everything he'd eaten since he
was five years old because he chugged a gallon of
lemon And people are standing there like.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
It's go anywhere though, just how you grow up your
whole life. It's just normal.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm still it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Looked like he was still holding on what he gets.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Think he is like a pool floating. I don't knows.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
He'll be all right, reserve speaking fast for the next
six months, He'll be all right. Everything's gonna be okay.
But nonetheless, we're off and running here on a Monday morning,
and I'm just noticing.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Last time care.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
You know, I'm noticing a trend here. How come like
nobody's playing with the Lakers now, like nobody wants I
don't know, I'm just looking around. I see DeMar DeRozan
is the latest. I'm seeing Clay Thompson. Like, now I
know why everyone was trying to feed you these garbage
stories about well you the father son, the last name. No.
(02:55):
The reason why they drafted Brownie James because they couldn't
get anybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
To hold with them.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
So I think that's really the reason here, because it
looks like whatever the plan was going into this offseason,
everybody's going elsewhere. Everybody's going elsewhere. And now Brownie James
has got a swollen knee and was kept out of
the second NBA Summer League game, and then he had
You know, LeVar was blown away with his two for
(03:21):
nine shooting in his first Summer.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
League that was away. Yeah, he looked amazing out there and.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Text text tech I was I was being sarcastic.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Okay, because you know what responded back, I was like,
there is a.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I watched it. I watched it.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
He struggled, which that's nothing new if you've seen his game.
But look, he's a young player. He's got time to develop.
He needs to be out there playing. Though It's it's
tough when you're not healthy, you can't be out there
getting better. But it was exactly what he was defined
to be as a prospect. He struggles shooting. I mean,
(03:56):
he couldn't even make a couple of free throws. But
you saw, you know, the way I leave, at least athletically,
how he can attack, how he will try to play defense.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
The problem is, the more time we see him, especially.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
In you know, defensively speaking, he's gonna struggle, Like he's
gonna struggle being able to switch on screens because he
can't match up with guys or going to be seven
eight nine ten inches taller than him, and that's unfortunately
the position that he's going to be in often being
what six one and a half or whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
He was at the NBA Combine.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Yeah, he moved around pretty good. He just couldn't make
a shot. You know, maybe that's nerves. He missed some
free throws. I mean, listen, we've gotten through the initial
you know, he he's gotten drafted. Everybody falls on there
certain sides of it. I've gotten attacked for saying what
I've said about if you say you said apparently if
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you say anything outside of it's a great pick at
fifty five, that you're a hater. And and and not
only did I get he's a hater, but I guess
I am not as good as dead as Lebron is
and and my son isn't as good a player as
bron is. That's I've gotten it all. I gotten it all,
which is okay, It's okay. I don't have any milice
in my heart or any type of hate towards Lebron
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James or Bronnie James. I just felt like, honestly speaking,
if we're shooting straight, I think we all know what
the storyline is, and that that's that's that's connected to
the draft. Now fast forward to the Summer League. There
were questions as to whether he was going to even participate,
which would make it a first ever in the history
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of the Summer League that a draft d did not participate,
but he did, so they got one game out of
the way, so regardless of a banged up knee or
whatever it may be as to why he may not
play again or play at all the rest of the
Summer League. He knocked down one game. Let's let's say
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that his movement was good. It did not look as
though he did not belong He'd looked like he which
I didn't think initially seeing him out there, that he
would look like he belonged in an NBA uniform. I
was wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
He looked like he belonged. It just looked as.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Though he had and be clear, more than any other
rookie out there, name one rookie that had the weight
of the world of their shoulders that Brownie James did
going into their first Summer League game. So, I mean,
if you expected him to be a world beater going
into it, with the type of pressure he's had on him,
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that would have been best case scenario. Worst case scenario,
maybe he misses all his shots. Okay scenario meaning you know,
it wasn't a failure. It wasn't a great success. It
just wasn't a failure either was what he did, which
is that should be on par for what it was
and good for him. He's out of the gates. He's
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out of the block.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
So Lebron spoke recently with David Minimum, the Lakers reporter,
and just kind of according to his dad. Bronnie doesn't
share the same feelings about criticism that his dad once did.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
I don't know if people really understand Bronnie. He doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I actually cared a little bit when I came in.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
I wanted people to like me, and some of the
things that people were saying about me kind of bothered
me early on in my career. I let it get
to me.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Ronnie doesn't.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
He doesn't give, he doesn't, he does not care about
nobody's he doesn't even listen to that stuff. He's like
the complete opposite of his dad. His dad will say something, yeah,
Bronnie does not care like me personally. When I was
coming up, I had no choice. I literally had no choice.
I had to make it out. I had no choice.
I had to make it out for me, my mom,
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my family. Ronnie has all the choices in the world.
So it's like a whole other people don't understand how
hard dad is in the commitment for him to be
coming out of heart surgery less than a year ago,
for him to be able to be an that's the
kid is.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
He's special.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
But he doesn't care. He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
It doesn't, it doesn't bother I.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Dig where he's coming from and and and for what
it's worth in twenty twenty four, I don't. I don't
think that it's measured or weigh the same anymore in
terms of haves and have nots. A kid that has
nothing and absolutely nothing and has to try to make
it by playing basketball, playing a sport or whatever it
may be, versus a kid who comes from privilege and
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has it all and happens to have one of the
greatest basketball players to ever play the game on on
the planet as as a father. I don't think. And
Gilbert Reenus and a couple guys had this conversation before.
I don't think that there's a discrepancy between the two,
to be honest, other than other than if the kid
that doesn't have anything going for himself in terms of family,
(08:52):
wealth and resources, they have to figure it out. But
you know what, a kid like Leb Brownie James, he
has to figure it out if it doesn't go well
at the same time, So they're both facing the same thing,
which is themselves. You got to put in the work.
Are you putting in the work, are you getting the development?
(09:12):
Are you being what you need to be? So I
get where he's coming from me. Man's a lot like that.
Man Man doesn't care what people He doesn't care what
people say about him. I did. I cared about what
people said. They said that I was undisciplined, or they
said that I didn't study. It upset me. I was
called an athlete much of my career. It upset me
because it's like, why can't I gain and garner the
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respect of someone who's a student of the game.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
I was.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I was one of the biggest students of the game
because I was a fan of the game, so I
always wanted to understand it. So it bothered me when
people said things about me. Man Man's like, like, it's
what it is. So I get where he's coming from.
And I think a lot of that has to do
with the way he's raised. He's raised by a guy
that has gone through it at the upper level of
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it all and and and now here they are, so
I'm just impart to them, though.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
I think that's part of it. I think the other
difference is like we grew up through an age where you.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Didn't have it.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
The reality is today's athlete cannot hide from criticism because they're.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Going to hop on social media. Everyone's got it.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
They've got to have it for marketing or business opportunities,
to connect to their fan base, whatever the case is.
So you can't avoid it. And and all of you said,
all of what you said is true. But I think
on top of that, it's just the day and age
for these athletes is they are so accustomed to the
criticism that comes with the cesspool that is social media
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that they've got thicker stin.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
They're more callous than I think people realize.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Because when when I mean when we were coming up, man,
like when social media came out, We're like, dude, where
all these guys talking trash, We're want to fight them?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Like that's that's the.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Kind of reaction you had to it because it was
so new to you.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
And get granted, it was all so probably back in
the day and age where people did get in a
lot of fights, but they kind of buried. It wasn't
as big of a deal nowadays that there's a like
lawsuits involved everything else. I just think it's a different era.
It's a different era of athlete nowadays where they have
to be able to be mentally tough enough to endure
social media.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
The good and the bad.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
I mean, as much as I'm talking about the negative
of it, there's also the build up where social media
can build people up to be you know, the best
of the best, the greatest ever. All those conversations over
just one season, and you're like, no, wait a second,
Like we've watched some of these guys in the past
and do it for a series of years, you know,
Tom Brady for two decades.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
I think there's just a difference in the way younger
athletes today now perceive themselves and social media and their
own image, and I think they're just better mentally prepared
for everything that being a professional athlete brings now even
I guess even college, but that's kind of a professional.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Athlete anyway nowadays. I mean, you just got to do
what I do. What's that all right?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Just have such a low opinion of yourself that whatever
anybody else says, yeah, whatever, that has ten dollars, that's
the truth.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
That's passive aggressive. It's not passive aggressive. It's the truth
putting yourself down. Knowing that on the other side of it,
you're like, man, I am the sexiest mofo A laugh, Brady,
You Brady? Is you you think you are. It's the difference.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean I I had.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I thought I was going to be interested in watching
Brownie James actually play, and then I saw a couple
of highlights. I mean, the fact that we were to
find a couple of highlights is impressive, but I saw
get highlights. I have no interest in watching him playing
the Summer League because I look at it like it's
like a buddy that you know is not funny, and
he tries stand up comedy, like he doesn't open mic night,
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and you're like, I don't even want to go because
he's gonna find out real quick he doesn't qualify to
be on that stage, and like, I don't want to
watch him go through and struggle and take because anybody
that's got an issue with Bronnie James has an issue
with lebron James and that that's really where this is
coming from. And he's never done anything to where I'm like, well, yeah,
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like he went out and said I should be a
draft pick, I should be this, Like he threw his
name in the hat. He probably understood what the situation was,
but you've never heard him do anything really wrong or
anything that should be criticized other than just having the
same last name and who his dad is. So I
look at it and I go, I don't even want
to watch Man because we know how this is going
to go. So let's just fast track it. Let's get
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to the good part of the story. And let's just
go to the part in the regular season where him
and Lebron are on the same team together and maybe
Lebron assists him an on an open jump shot.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
He moves well enough where I could actually see him
in a regular season game, now for how long?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
For how long?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I don't know. He missed the second game because he's
got a nee swelling. We're off to a rough start,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Can we I think y'all be thinking I'm glass half empty,
which I am. I'm going glass half for today, y'all,
y'all are you? Yes?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
You too? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Y'all? Well, you know you didn't say I'm a hater
per se. You just said that, you know.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Also, can we pause because you did bring up man
Man earlier? Yes, for this audience here at the Herd.
You know, I don't know that they know the backstory
of the nickname man Man.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Who man Man is?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Man Man is LeVar Arrington the second second. Yeah, he
committed to Penn State. He's going to go play linebacker
edge at Penn State. Dammit, yeah yeah, baby.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But he's got a lie.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
I just did an interview on him this morning and
and it's like nobody knows who he is.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Like they're they're trying.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
There's all these interviews request because it's like, is he
being overvalued? Is he being undervalue? What's his value? And
the recruiting, the recruiting process, what what what's his worth?
And and it's like, is that something that you guys
talk about you think about. I said, that's one hundred
percent something that we thought about going into it.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Man.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Man hasn't done any camps, he hasn't done any seven
on sevens. All he's done is is unofficial visits. That's
it in the end, his official visits. And the reason
being is we we had the opportunity a couple of
times to possibly take them out and send them to
a bigger school. Modern Day was a school that we
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were thinking about doing it. But we love the development
and the guidance of the head coach, Dom Ferrar that
he's under now, and we felt as though him being
under the Radar because of his name, him being man man,
so everybody calls him man. So he wasn't being called LeVar.
It's like LaVar, LeVar, LeVar if it's football terms. It
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was he was man, so nobody really knew who he
was until he started to getting recruited, which it worked
perfectly because it kept him humble, it kept them hungry,
and he was aware of the fact that he was
going to have to earn everything that he got. He
didn't start get recruited until this past year, like right
right now, his junior year, going through his junior year. Generally,
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if you're a top guy, you'll start getting recruited like
eighth ninth grade. So he's gone through the process the
right way. So that's why I'm saying I can relate
to the whole conversation with lebron and Bronni at this
point because I do have a second as well, and
and that's a heart. It's a hard place to be
in and you'll see Q and you'll see Jonas. When
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your boy gets bigger, you start to have different types
of emotions and feelings about what their accomplishments, what their
achievements are, because you have to balance being a father,
but you're also balancing trying to train them to be
successful and there in the ways that they go about
the their lives and how they prepare. But then there's
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the fan, and you should always be your kids biggest fan.
So it's like you have to find the balancing point
of not putting yourself in danger of being delusional, because
you could actually be so delusional that your kid ends
up being delusional. So I've I've always fallen on the
other side of it. I've been pretty hard on them.
I've been pretty hard on him, and listen, I feel
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like it's working so and I'm sure Lebron feels the
same exact way about how he's approached what he's doing
with Brownie and for for better or for worse, for
whatever anybody may think, the guy guided his kid to
a La Lakers jersey.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
However he got there, he got there. He's an l
A Lakers Jersey.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Yeah, man, I do.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's coming to some point.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
They right have hijack the plane.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
You know what, Oh since eleven they stole they stole
Pick fifty five.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Right, I mean we got here, I'm a pilot two.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas, are you feeling for Colin here?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Hey, my baby, I go land in Um.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Coming up next here though, we're going to tell you
about somebody in the NFL who could be destined to
have a monster season.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
That's right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Appaz huh uh did you know about that?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
On the ones and twos? You got problems?
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Man?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
That's nostradamis. Man, Just just so you're clear on that.
Shouts out to everybody out there that's a true hip
hop fan that knows you know, that's that's nasty nas
right there. Man.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh, Brady used to call me knoxtra dovis what would
make different?
Speaker 6 (18:49):
It's a difference.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Actually, never ever in the history of my life have
called you that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You never said that. Are you trying to sit here
on You're.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
So bad at better?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Actually, it's just it's almost the exact opposite, complete disrespect
here on this show.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Is I'm talking about nos nostradamis whatever nostradomis, it is
a predictor. It is the Herd.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, it's LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up here in about
twenty minutes from now, we're going to tell you about
how somebody who has already made a claim, they have
already made a claim that you will never see this
ever again in the world of sports. We will investigate
that claim. Coming up here again about twenty minutes from now. Hey,
(19:40):
you know who's just kind of sitting back ready for
the NFL season, just rehabbing and for him too and them?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Oh okay, Old Joe Burrow. Is he waiting? The Boogeyman
of Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs. Was in
a fashion show? He was He had an interesting look
going on.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Hey, just because he likes things outside of football.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
The back was blown out of his of his shirt,
you know what I mean. That's that's what I remember
from the pitch. Hey, when that happened. I bet it's
a hey when that happens.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
But Joe Burrow was no bad.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
It was spinal.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
There was no back to his shirt.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Joe Burrow did talk recently about how having an injury
means that for some reason, people kind of, you know,
lose touch with who you are and who you were
as a player.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Do you think people have forgotten about Joe Burrow?
Speaker 9 (20:35):
I believe that that's what happens when you get hurt, though,
don't play football, people forget about you. But again, that's
part of the game. You don't If you're not out
there and people aren't watching you, then there's nothing to
talk about. Yeah, so I'm gonna give people to talk
about something to talk about this year.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Well, I'm excited about it.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
So that was on part of my take Joe Burrow
talking about having an opportunity to come back this year
coming off an injury, and I did, by the way,
I did see that he took the Brady Quinn approach
back when you were playing you tried to learn piano.
Joe Burrow's doing the same thing there, Brady.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, that was a little different approach, though he was
doing it more from a rehab purpose. Maybe I was
just trying to rehab my mind at that.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Point, but you was trying to add that something to
that arsenal and I'm good, looks you pulled that smile
out and that that hair.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, the keys, No I feel.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I mean, walk into the room like Burt Backerag you
start playing the piano.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I wish I could have just walked like I wanted
to learn how to play guitar, so I could be
sitting next to you, you know, like the ugly dudes
could get away with being sexy when they played guitar. Real, Well,
you played it, you know, you play the keys, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, I was incapable of learning that.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Me too, Me too, So join the club.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Well, can't have it all, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I guess we go back.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Really to the to the the clip. That's what I
would to point on one thing in the quote that he.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Says, Yeah, let's hear it again.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Do you think people have forgotten about Joe Burrow?
Speaker 9 (21:54):
I believe that that's what happens when you get hurtough
you don't play football, people forget about you. But again,
that's part of the game. You don't If you're not
out there and people aren't watching you, then there's nothing
to talk about. Yeah, so I'm gonna get people to
talk about something to talk about this year. Well, I'm
excited about it.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Did it sound like he needed to burp or he
had like a little bit of.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Inat Yeah, he was holding on to it a little bit,
like you're trying to make this big statement. But you
know sometimes like you eat right before one of those
interviews and then you're like indigestion, something to think about that,
you know, like you're not saying it like yeah, I'm
even something to think about, man, you know, like a
little more a little more masking, a little more manly,
something like like maybe a little indigestion that.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Like our president a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
But anyway, come on, we are on Fox. But I
will say this.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
We just talked about this in the first segment. And
to answer your question, YESQ dis out like there was
something going on there for a moment. But people do
forget about you. And and it's funny because we're gonna
have news trending and we're on here about you know,
like you said, one of the legends saying what he
had to say about dynasties. But we live in such
(23:01):
a more recency effect uh society, as you highlight it
through social media and what people are are really into.
You can lose relevance in one season. You can lose
it in one season because of how much information is
disseminated and put out there. Within one season, you could
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lose your career over one thing that takes place in
social media. So if you're not around, there's somebody that's
going to fill in that blank, you know, And that's
that's I think that that's what joe Burrow is talking about.
It used to just be you felt like a ghost
in the facility, But now because things happen so so
quickly and social media and how news is distributed now,
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it's it's very different. It's very, very very competitive being
able to maintain being a main a main stay guy,
a main stay name, especially if you get an injury
that holds you out for and it's in the amount
of time.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
There's only two teams that are bigger favorites to make
the playoffs than the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's the Chiefs
and the forty nine ers. So you know what that means.
Joey Burrow, He's in contention for the MVP, he's in
contention for Comeback Player of the Year, and the Bengals
are going to win that division. That's what that tells me.
So get ready all this Baltimore Raven fanboy crap it's over.
(24:27):
Cincinnati's taken over that division. The AFC North is theirs,
and you can book that. No man put that in
your nostram smoke it.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
I'm not against that take for this reason because I
do think Burrow is special. If he's healthy, I do
think there's cause for concern though, right. I mean, the
interesting part about hearing the clip on hey, he's doing
piano to help with his rehab is how many guys
do you here have a wrist injury that do piano
to help with the rehab. Now, granted, he's a thrower,
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so it's different, and his rehab is going to be
more unique than most athletes have a wrist injury, but
this seems pretty unique. This seems like one where from
the onset of the injury and even the recovery of
the timetable, it feels like he's gonna be battling through
some things to get back to his old self or
maybe to get back to playing at.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
A really really high level as his new normal.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
So I think they're set up to have success if
he's gonna be back bying center, because I just think
he'll find a way. He's that good of a player.
What concerns me though, is the competition the rest of
the division. I mean, you could say whatever you want
about Baltimore, but I think Cleveland to me is the
team that if I had to put money on it
right now, they're gonna win the division. That's one of
the best rosters in the NFL. Deshaun Watson's had plenty
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of time to get down Kevin Stapfhansi's his offense, and
even if he can't, even if he just manages guides
the team, that's enough for that defense, that ground attack.
With Nick Chubb coming back healthy, that's enough to be
able to get it done. So I think then Pittsburgh,
I mean Pittsburgh obviously we've talked about this a bunch
and LeVar, I know you're not as high on them
(26:05):
as I am. But if they get Russell Wilson from
what he did last year, that's a playoff team with
Russell Wilson at starting at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, I think they're a playoff team.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I just don't think they're I don't think they're I
think they're second third in the North.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
So here.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So here's what I'll ask you is what were the
Bengals ranked last year. Defensively they were probably pretty good
thirty first, No, thirty first in total defense.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well so, dang going too far with a thirty first
ranked defense.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
And and look, we could chalk that up to hey,
they player with the backup quarterback. With that being said,
Jake Browning did a hell of a job last year
as he kept that team in it. He bawled out
and I know Jonas is gonna talk about something else.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
What do you mean, what do you get in?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I'm not I'm not going down that direction.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Huh White at of the game? What do you want?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
He had the best press box in the league.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
I'll just say that. Tang.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Okay, there it was.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I mean, he's not lying. He ain't lying.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
The point is, it's not like you the back didn't
step up?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Was it was it?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Indy?
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Was it football?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
All right?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
So so Brat, you're telling me, you like, if you
were to look at a team to win the division,
that Cleveland would be the team that you would look at.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
That would be.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Based on the odds right now, So which is which?
Usually you have those at the tip of your at
the tip of your top.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Six to one plus six hundred to win the division
or the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
That's crazy to me because here's the thing. If that
holds true, if that holds true, I think I think, look,
what are you doing. I think that that the Steelers
are are a mid tier team. I don't think that
they're a divisional winner this year. I think they're mid tier.
So they're second or third. So if if if you
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and and betting, if you guys in betting people have
the Cleveland Browns winning it, then that means to me,
that means to me that since he and the Steelers
are are fighting for four, well, so Baltimore is the
favorite to win the division. I think they're going to
win the division.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Cincinnati's right behind them, and then you've got pretty far
back or Cleveland at plus six hundred, and then Shacksburgh.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I feel like Pittsburgh. I feel like Pittsburgh falls into
that second space and then Cincinnati and Cleveland fight it
out for that third and and I don't I don't
say that as it's a it's a no, it's not
a successful season for Cleveland or Cincinnati. I'm just saying
I think that Pittsburgh and Baltimore, if if history serves
(28:43):
serves correctly, outside of recency that you you're looking out
of Baltimore team that should be better, and you're looking
out a Pittsburgh team that should be good enough. They've
always been. They've been good enough as of late. That's
what I'll say. I'm I'm gonna say they're good. They're
they're they're good to win the division. I think they're
(29:04):
good enough to be at that second and third spot
in the North. Let me ask you has a question,
all right, and this is a little bit in the weeds,
but there's nothing else going on. Me who cares?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
All things being equal, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Burrow have
pretty similar seasons and their teams have bounced back years.
Who do you think it's comeback player of the Year.
I think it'll be Joe Burrow because I think it's
going to be Aaron Rodgers. I think it's going to
(29:35):
be Aaron.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Rodgers because they've got more prime time games, and so
if he does have that, it's gonna be more.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
You're looking at me, funny, like you look at That
doesn't mean they're going to win. That doesn't mean they're
going to win. That was gonna be time permitted. That
was gonna be my other question Who's.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Because I know we're gonna go into that's gonna get
Coach of the Year. I was getting Brady, uh and,
and only Brady can answer this. I was gonna ask him, like,
Who's LeVar a bigger hater of Aaron Rodgers or Lebron James.
It's a three horse race.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Russ is probably number one. I don't like to think
that LaVar is a hater of you. He just stands
on his opinion, thank you.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
But I would say number one as far as him
being critical of it would be Russell's number two.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I mean, are we throwing Lebron in there? If you
want to?
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Lebron would be number two, and then number three. I
don't think he's even actually critical of Rogers. He's critical
of the Jets.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
That's very correct. That's that is wow. Like he knows me, man,
I do, Man, that is very true.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I'm critical.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Here's my question to you, though, have you not received
backlash from Jets fans?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Now?
Speaker 7 (30:57):
I just remember a couple of years ago I got
everything from I think because Wilson thing wasn't gonna work
out and no one wanted to listen, which I do
respect the fact they defended Zach Wilson, who was the
quarterback at the time.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
And I got nothing against Zack Wilson.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
I just felt like he needed a lot of time
to develop before he was going to be what they
expected him to be, which honestly, he played his best football.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
I think there was still hope when you said what
you said, and what happened took place last year was
like snake bitten type deal, and it's there's either the
quiet optimism where I'm going to get the backlash once
they're seven and oh, nine and oh during the course
of the season, I'm gonna get just smashed, like you
don't know what you're talking about. Ha ha ha ha
(31:40):
j e t s, Jets, Jets, Jets, all that stuff.
I'll get it later. I'll get it later from from
the bandwagon fair Weather fans, That's what I'll get. But
as of right now, I think that the hope isn't
high enough for them to come after me that way
because there's nothing for them to stand on. You can't
stand on Aaron Rodgers. He went out in after four plays.
(32:01):
You can't do it, won't do it, can't win with it.
You got to show me, you got to show me
and there's nothing else you can stand on. Oh you
got one of the best rosters. Yeah you do. Your
defense looks really good, Yeah it does. You improved your
offensive lineman, we are, yes, you did. I've never seen
(32:22):
bad culture offset by dope players or coaching, never seen it.
So if they have a great year, if they have
a great year, then that will mean that for me,
it will mark one of the first moments where I've
seen a decrepit culturally decrepit team actually overcome bad culture
(32:47):
unless they've changed, unless the culture has changed, which I
don't see that. It's been too long. It's been bad
culture for too long. And if we're looking at how
they've interviewed during the course of this offseason, with the
whole where Aaron Rodgers today? Where's there? Where's Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (33:05):
I mean I doubt he was a you telling me
he wasn't throwing routes to a camel while he was
out there.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
They're not doing James vander.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
They're not doing pat and go line to James Vanderbeek
or like likenk from a Napoleon dynamite.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I don't know, out there with the.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Think about it, like going back to Varsity Blues.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
You know, yeah, I forgot to go there. I mean
they was like, was.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Tweeter along with them catching passes?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Maybe maybe maybe he was. Maybe they had a cop
car too, you know what I mean. I'm just maybe
they just had cowboy.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Boots and whip cream bikini anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
No, it wasn't a whipped cream bikini. No, I seeing
how old James Vanderbeek was.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Maybe it wasn't about puking and rallying. By the way,
how could you Varsity Blues came out in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Hey, he's not even but that isn't even here any all.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Just speak, I'll speak of the room. That movie sucked.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
You're not you're not.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
They're not a high school football, was kidding if you
were a high school football that's actually a dope kidding.
But how could you be a fan? Super accurate? How
could you?
Speaker 5 (34:16):
How could you be a fan of the program and
then turned Varsity Blues different levels of football, it's non
alcoholic football.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
One was one was college, which was dope. One was
both The program was dope, but one was high school.
And it just gave you and it was like a
fun feeling, like Friday Night Lights was more serious. It's
like like you know the book. I read the book.
I read Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
The book.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Jesse Armstead, one of my old teammates, is in the
book like he played for what what?
Speaker 6 (34:44):
What?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
What?
Speaker 6 (34:44):
What was the team Odessa played? I Forgetting Midland or
something Midland Ess or something like that. Anyway, that was
a more serious high school football film. Varsity Blues was
just everything fun about what you could remember if you
or part of play. There were old hits that would
come to our games and meet up at Monticello's pizza
(35:06):
after the games with their letterman jackets on.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
They'd be there from nineteen from the Concrete from.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Team.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
There'd be dudes there with their letterman jackets on in
there with.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Us getting pizza. Bunch of losers. You call it what
you want. We all had our letterman jackets. I'll tell
you that, all.
Speaker 10 (35:25):
Hitting on the same girls. Damn, you can't hate old
varsity you want that.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I ain't know nothing to buy beer exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Well, listen it is heard here on Fox Sports Radio.
IM not to wrap up our preview of the Cincinnati
Bengals and Drum this upcoming season. I'm back Letter of
the Year coming up next year, though, we are going
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Speaker 2 (35:59):
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Speaker 3 (36:03):
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Speaker 11 (36:06):
Yeah, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award
winning Polly and Toni Foosco Show. Yeah, but instead of
us telling you how great we are, here's how Dan
Packrick described us when he came on our show.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
What are you doing? Were interrupting our promo?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, you wasn't talking about you. You took those clips
totally of context.
Speaker 11 (36:26):
Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you
out and beat you.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Let me put this into context.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Shut up.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
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Show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
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Speaker 5 (36:49):
It's the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
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We will call it a little over ten minutes from now.
We're going to tell you about a coach in the NFL,
a lot of optimism, a lot of good things potentially
coming his way, or you could just get fired. We'll
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(37:09):
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Speaker 6 (37:31):
No, no, no, on the news. This is the Herd.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Line.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
News is Ryan Music. Hey, what's going on, guys, Great
to be with you today. Pointed out a very key
detail to House of the Dragon or whatever. It's very
tied into the plot and the outcome of the entire story,
by the way, so you have to watch that part.
Don't forget all right, let's start our attention to the NBA. Huh,
(37:56):
that's right, definitely tied in.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
I got you.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
The Warriors won't look the same without Klay Thompson leaving
for the Mavericks, bringing an end to their Big Three
era and likely the end of their dynasty. Step Curry,
talking to ESPN, says, we probably won't see another run
like we did in Golden State. I don't think it
will be replicated, just because it's very hard to keep
things together in this league. A lot more player movement, Me,
(38:19):
Clay and Draymond. We complimented each other so well for
so long. We all brought something different to the table.
We'll see. Records are meant to be broken, but we
will see a lot of people said the same thing
when Tom Brady and the Patriots were kind of phasing out.
I was like, Oh, we're never going to see that again.
And Patrick Marle just got like three Super Bowls in
like five years or something like that.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, a long way to go, Yeah, a long way,
A long way to go.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
I just they're not wrong, right, I mean the run
that Golden State Warriors had, I think it will be
tough to replicate again for a couple of reasons. I mean, one,
obviously it is tough to keep everyone together. But to it,
I do feel like their method, their style of play
ultimately led to that run of winning what three and
four years, going to five straight. That was a simple
(39:06):
factor of putting together guys like Steph Curry, like Clay,
like Draymond, guys who kind of all compliment each other
in that fashion, who could shoot the three, stretch the perimeter.
I mean, it was just it wasn't seen quite as
much in the NBA. Nowadays, it's it's very common. Everyone's
trying to replicate or copy of them. But for that
reason alone, I think it's to be hard for them
to be able to have that sort of sustained success.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Anything's possible, anything's possible. A lot of times anything's possible. Yeah,
but we did it.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Somebody might come along and do it.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Man. I mean, you doesn't ever know, I think to
your point, Brady, the other thing that some people overlook
about how the Warriors dynasty came about was getting Steph
Curry locked in on a long term deal at a
well below market rate because he had injury problems with
his ankles early on in his career. Is what led
to them even having the financial flexibility to land a
(40:03):
player like Kevin Durant to win those titles while Lebron
James and Kyrie Irving were in Cleveland. So that sort
of financial flexibility seems almost impossible to come by in
today's modern end.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
But remember when people.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Were questioning because they basically chose Steph Curry over Monte
Ellis and they were like, you really want.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
To go that direction?
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I mean, Alis is a great place, damn man talking
about the move of all moves.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Yeah, well it's possible, it could happen. Maybe highly unlikely,
but just like Usain Bolt's record right in the hundred's
highly unlikely, but it's possible.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Les Is he's a beast.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
He said, it's awesome.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Beat.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
I'm gonna beat that this year.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
I don't know that he's gonna get it. I don't
know that they're gonna get flow Jo's two hundred either,
but I don't know they're closed. But no, Cigar, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
All I we'll wrap up with this.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
In the NFL, Dolphins offense gets a lot of love
underhead coach.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
McDaniel.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
What was that?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
What to uh.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
Kill?
Speaker 5 (41:08):
And Jayden Jalen Wattle, here we go. But it's the
defense that people have some questions about. While they're linebacker.
David Long Junior is confident they'll be able to hold
up their end of the deal. He said, quote, we
got a lot of dogs coming in. Some dogs are
already there. We're just reloading guys.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I'm coming in too.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
You know, we are baby a top top Why Why
did what happened with Vic Fangio there? I don't know,
because it's like, well, I just want to know because
everyone was like, you couldn't get out of there fast enough?
Speaker 6 (41:39):
And then you had guys like Jalen Rams. Isn't it
Philly's right? Philly Like?
Speaker 5 (41:45):
And he helped Philly, you know, in that Super Bowl
against the Chiefs a couple of years ago. I think
he was a consultant. But I just well, you know,
trying to have what he did. But I just I
wonder sort of what the situation was. Was he really
holding back the defense?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
And all?
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Also, is Tuo gonna get paid? Are we going to
go into this season without him getting a contract? Is
this gonna get done?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
So, Brady Quinn, let's just start off with the defense.
For some I love Anthony Weaver. I think they've got
all the pieces LeVar touched on their first round draft pick.
But even the guys like Jordan Poyer who they signed,
who comes from Buffalo, knows the division.
Speaker 7 (42:20):
Well, you know, David Long's played a long time in
the league. They've got guys, I mean, Kays Campbell's played forever. Literally,
you know he's coming back taking this opportunity. So I
love what they've done this offseason. I think they'll be
a good tender.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
M Interesting.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
There you go, Well there it is. So you want
the answers like that you asked Brady Quinn. Here you
go till you finish up hour one.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Let's take it. Let's take a break.
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