July 13, 2024 • 47 mins
This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox fill in for Colin discussing Bronny James' debut with the Lakers and what the offseason means for LeBron James and the Lakers. The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by to talk about Big 12 Media Day and more! Plus, the GOAT calls out the fans and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
He's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Arrington, Rating Winn and Jonas Knox on
FOXTS Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a Monday following a long ass.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Fourth of July weekend, thank goodness, with people still recovering,
most notably our executive producer Lee to Lap, who is kind.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Of a how's he doing. He's in the midst of
the state.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
He's in a state right now?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
How's he doing? Midst of a battle? You know, he's
in a battle.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
He's a he's in a twelve round slug fest with
his lower intestines, trying to figure out how how he
can save himself and the rest of the studio. Lee,
are you going to be able to get through this
or what what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We're gonna make it through, get through this together. I
am curious though.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I mean, we did see the hots all getting contests,
but that actually the lemonade drinking contest tole the stage.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh god, people got to stop giving up. The ghost
wasn't enough, said the guy threw up everything he'd eaten
since he was five years old because he chugged a
gallon of lemonade and people are standing there like it's go.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
Anywhere though, just how you throw up your whole life,
it's just normal.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Still, it looked like he was still holding what he
think he is, like pool floating. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Reserves, He'll be all right, reserves, speaking fast for the
next six months, he'll be all right. Everything's gonna be okay.
But nonetheless, we are off and running here on a
Monday morning, and I'm just.
Speaker 7 (01:43):
Not stop me care.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, I'm noticing a trend here. How come like
nobody's playing with the Lakers now, like nobody wants.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm just I was looking around and I see DeMar
DeRozan is the latest. I'm seeing Klay Thompson. Like, now
I know why everyone was trying to feed you these
garbage stories about well you the father son, the last
name of no the reason why they drafted Bronnie James
because they couldn't get anybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
To follow him.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So so I think that's really the reason here, because
it looks like whatever the plan was going into this offseason,
everybody's going elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Everybody's going elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And now Bronnie James has got a swollen knee and
was kept out of the second NBA Summer League game,
and then he had You know, LeVar was blown away
with his two for nine shooting in his first Summer League.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
No, that was away.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Yeah, he looked amazing out there and text text tech
I was I was being sarcastic.
Speaker 8 (02:44):
Okay, because you know what responded back, I was like,
there is a I watched it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I watched it.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
He's he struggled, which that's nothing new if you've seen
his game. But look, he's a young player. He's got
time to develop. He needs to be out there playing,
though it's tough. When you're not healthy, you can't be
out there getting better. But it was exactly what he
was defined to be as a prospect.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
He struggles shooting. I mean he couldn't even make a couple.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Of free throws, but you saw, you know, the way,
at least athletically, how he can attack, how we will
try to play defense. The problem is the more time
we see him, especially in you know, defensively speaking, he's
going to struggle, Like he's going to struggle being able
to switch on screens because you can't match up with
guys we're going to be seven eight, nine ten inches
taller than him, and that's unfortunately the position that he's
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going to be in often being what six one and
a half or whatever he.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Was at the NBA Combine.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Yeah, he moved around pretty good. He just couldn't make
a shot. You know, maybe that's nerves. He missed some
free throws. I mean, listen, we've gotten through the initial
you know, he he's gotten drafted. Everybody falls on there
certain sides of it. I've gotten attacked for saying what
I've said about it. If you say you said apparently,
(04:01):
if you say anything outside of it's a great pick
at fifty five that you're a hater. And and and
not only did I get he's a hater, but I
guess I am not as good a dad as Lebron
is and and my son isn't as good a player
as Bronni is. That's I've gotten it all. I gotten
it all, which is okay, It's okay. I don't have
any milice in my heart or any type of hate
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towards lebron James or Bronnie James. I just felt like,
honestly speaking, if we're shooting straight, I think we all
know what the storyline is. And that's that's that's connected
to the draft. Now fast forward to the Summer League.
There were questions as to whether he was going to
even participate, which would make it a first ever in
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the history of the Summer League that a draftee did
not participate, but he did so they got one game
out of the way. So regardless of a banged up
knee or whatever it may be as to why he
may not play again or play at all the rest
of the Summer League, he knocked down one game. Let's
(05:04):
say that his movement was good. It did not look
as though he did not belong He'd looked like he
which I didn't think initially seeing him out there, that
he would look like he belonged in an NBA uniform.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I was wrong.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
He looked like he belonged. It just looked as though
he had and be clear, more than any other rookie
out there, name one rookie that had the weight of
the world of their shoulders that Brownie James did going
into their first Summer League game. So, I mean, if
you expected him to be a world beater going into it,
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with the type of pressure he's had on him, that
would have been best case scenario. Worst case scenario, maybe
he misses all his shots. Okay scenario meaning you know,
it wasn't a failure. It wasn't a great success. It
just wasn't a failure either was what he did, which
is that should be on par for what it was, and.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Good for him. He's out of the gates. He's out
of the block.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
So lebron spoke recently with David Minimum, the Lakers reporter,
and just kind of according to his dad, Bronnie doesn't
share these same feelings about criticism that his dad once did.
Speaker 9 (06:24):
I don't know if people really understand Bronnie. He doesn't care.
I actually cared a little bit when I came in.
I wanted people to like like me, and some of
the things that people were saying about me kind of
bothered me early on in my career.
Speaker 10 (06:38):
I let it get to me. Ronnie doesn't.
Speaker 9 (06:40):
He doesn't get up, he doesn't he does not care
about nobody's he doesn't even listen to that stuff. He's
like the complete opposite of his dad. His dad will
say something, yeah, Bronnie does not care like me personally.
When I was coming up, I had no choice. I
literally had no choice. I had to make it out.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's the key.
Speaker 10 (06:59):
I had no choice, so I had to.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
Make it out for me, my mom, family, Brannie has
all the choices in the world.
Speaker 10 (07:04):
So it's like a whole other people don't understand how
hard that is in the.
Speaker 9 (07:08):
Commitment for him to be coming out of heart surgery
less than a year ago, for him to be able
to be in the NBA.
Speaker 10 (07:15):
That's the kid is He's special, but he doesn't care.
He doesn't. It doesn't, It doesn't bother.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I dig where he's coming from and for what it's
worth in twenty twenty four, don't. I don't think that
it's measured or weigh the same anymore in terms of
haves and have nots. A kid that has nothing and
absolutely nothing and has to try to make it by
playing basketball, playing a sport, or whatever it may be,
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versus a kid who comes from privilege and has it
all and happens to have one of the greatest basketball
players that ever play the game on the planets as
a father. I don't think and Gilbert Reenus and a
couple guys had this conversation before. I don't think that
there's a discrepancy between the two to be honest than
other than if the kid that doesn't have anything going
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for himself in terms of family, wealth and resources, they
have to figure it out. But you know what a
kid like Lebronni James, he has to figure it out
if it doesn't go well at the same time. So
they're both facing the same thing, which is themselves. You
got to put in the work. Are you putting in
(08:26):
the work? Are you getting the development? Are you being
what you need to be? So I get where he's
coming from. Me Man's a lot like that. Man Man
doesn't care what people He doesn't care what people say
about him. I did. I cared about what people said.
They said that I was undisciplined, or they said that
I didn't study. It upset me. I was called an
athlete much of my career. It upset me because it's like,
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why can't I gain and garner the respect of someone
who's a student of the game?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I was?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I was.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
I was one of the biggest students of the game
because I was a fan of the game, so I
always wanted to understand. So it bothered me when people
say things about me. Man Man's like, like, it's what
it is. So I get where he's coming from. And
I think a lot of that has to do with
the way he's raised. He's raised by a guy that
has gone through it at the upper level of it
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all and and and now here they are, so I
think this important to him.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Though I think that's part of it. I think the
other difference is, like we grew up through an age
where you.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Didn't have it.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
The reality is today's athlete cannot hide from criticism because
they're going to hop on social media.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Everyone's got it.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
They've got to have it for marketing or business opportunities,
to connect to their fan base, whatever the case is.
So you can't avoid it. And and all of you said,
all of what you said is true. But I think
on top of that, it's just the day and age
for these athletes is they are so accustomed to the
criticism that comes with a cesspool that is social media,
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that they've got thicker and they're more callous than I
think people realize. Because when I mean when we were
coming up, man, like when social media came out, We're like, dude,
where all these guys talking trash? We want to fight them,
Like that's the kind of reaction you had to it
because it was so new to you and got granted,
it was also probably back in the day and age
where people did get a lot of fights, but they
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kind of buried. It wasn't as big of a deal
nowadays that there's a like lawsuits involved everything else.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I just think it's a different era.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
It's a different era of athlete nowadays, where they have
to be able to be mentally tough enough to endure
social media, the good and the bad. I mean, as
much as I'm talking about the negative of it, there's
also the build up where social media can build people
up to be, you know, the best of the best,
the greatest ever, all those conversations over just one season,
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and you're like, now, wait a second, Like we've watched
some of these guys in the past and do it
for a series of years, you know, Tom Brady for
two decades, you know. I think there's just a difference
in the way younger athletes today now perceive themselves and
social media and their own image. And I think they're just better,
better mentally prepared for everything that being a professional athlete brings.
(11:12):
Now even I guess even college, but that's kind of
a professional athlete anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Nowadays I mean, you just got to do what I do.
What's that?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
All right?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Just have such a low opinion of yourself that whatever
anybody else says, yeah, whatever, that ten dollars, that's the truth.
That's passive aggressive. It's not passive aggressive.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
It's the truth putting yourself down knowing that on the
other side of it, you're like, man, I am the
sexiest mofo.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Alaugh, Brady you Brady? Is you? You think you are?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It's the difference.
Speaker 11 (11:42):
I mean, I want to say I had I thought
I was going to be interested in watching Brownie James
actually play, and then I saw a couple of highlights.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I mean, the fact that we were to find a
couple highlights is impressive, but I saw it get highlights.
I have no interest in watching him playing the Summer
League because I look at it like it's like a
buddy that you know is not funny, and he tries
stand up comedy, like he doesn't open mic night, and
you're like, I don't even want to go because he's
going to find out real quick he doesn't qualify to
be on that stage, And like, I don't want to
(12:17):
watch him go through and struggle and take because anybody
that's got an issue with Bronnie James has an issue
with Lebron James. And that's really where this is coming from.
And he's never done anything to where I'm like, well, yeah,
like he went out and said I should be a
draft pick, I should be this, Like he threw his
name in the hat. He probably understood what the situation was.
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But you've never heard him do anything really wrong or
anything that should be criticized other than just having the
same last name and who his dad is. So I
look at it and I go, I don't even want
to watch man, because we know how this is going
to go. So let's just fast track it. Let's get
to the good part of the story. And let's just
go to the part in the regular season where him
and Lebron are on the same team together and maybe
(12:59):
Lebron is on an open jump shot.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He moves, He.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Moves well enough where I could actually see him in
a regular season game now for how long?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
For how long?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know. He missed the second game because he's
got nee swallowing. We're off to a rough start, you
know what I mean. Can we just regular season?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I think y'all be thinking I'm glass half empty, which
I am.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm going glass half for today, y'all y'all are you? Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You too?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, y'all.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Well, you know, and you didn't say I'm a hater
per se. You just said that, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Also, can we pause because you did bring up man
Man earlier for this audience here at the Herd. You know,
I don't know that they know the backstory of the
nickname man Man.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Who man Man is?
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Man Man is LeVar Arrington? The second second, Yeah, he
committed to Penn State. He's going to go play linebacker
edge at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Dammit.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, baby.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
But he's got a lot I just did an interview
on him this morning, and it's like nobody knows who
he is. Like they're trying there is all these interviews
requests because it's like is he being overvalued? Is he
being undervalue? What's his value? And the recruiting, the recruiting process,
what's his worth? And it's like, is that something that
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you guys talk about you think about said, that's one
hundred percent something that we thought about going into it.
Man Man hasn't done any camps. He hasn't done any
seven on sevens. All he's done is is unofficial visits.
That's it in the end, his official visits. And the
reason being is we had the opportunity a couple of
times to possibly take them out and send them to
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a bigger school. Modern Day was the school that we
were thinking about doing it. But we love the development
and the guidance of the head coach, Dom Ferrar that
he's under now. And we felt as though him being
under the radar because of his name, him being man Man,
so everybody calls him man, so he wasn't being called LeVar.
(14:59):
It's like LaVar LeVar if it's football terms. It was
he was Manned, so nobody really knew who he was
until he started to getting recruited, which it worked perfectly
because it kept him humble, it kept him hungry, and
he was aware of the fact that he was going
to have to earn everything that he got. He didn't
start get recruited until this past year, like right right now,
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his junior year. Going through his junior year. Generally, if
you're a top guy, you'll start getting recruited like eighth
ninth grade. So he's gone through the process the right way.
So that's why I'm saying I can relate to the
whole conversation with Lebron and Brownie at this point because
I do have a second as well, and that's a heart.
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It's a hard place to be in and you'll see
Q and you'll see Jonas. When your boy gets bigger,
you start to have different types of emotions and feelings
about what their accomplishments, what their achievements are, because you
have to balance being a father, but you're also balancing
trying to train them to be successful and there in
the ways that they go about their their lives and
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how they prepare. But then there's the fan, and you
should always be your kid's biggest fan. So it's like
you have to find the balancing point of not putting
yourself in danger of being delusional, because you could actually
be so delusional that your kid ends up being delusional.
So I've I've always fallen on the other side of it.
I've been pretty hard on them. I've been pretty hard
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on him, and listen, I feel like it's working so
and I'm sure Lebron feels the same exact way about
how he's approached what he's doing with Brownie and for
for better or for worse for whatever anybody may think.
The guy guided his kid to a La Lakers Jersey.
However he got there. He got there. He's in La
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Lakers Jersey.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah, he mean I do. It's coming to some point.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
They might have hijack the plane.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
You know, since eleven they don't pick fifty five A right,
I mean we got here.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
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Speaker 2 (18:27):
Hello four, Hello, college football analysts? Pee, what's happening? Good morning?
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Oh not much.
Speaker 13 (18:34):
I'm gonna go to Las Vegas a little later today there,
which is, yes, they're going to miss each other. But
it looks it looks like my one trip a year
maybe to Las Vegas to listen to the problems of
some college football coaches and then hopefully god willing return home.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
On Friday or Thursday and report back.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
And I have my football magazines, and I've been looking
up my football teams and trying to deal with where
everybody transferred and who's who and who's back, which is
always fun to see because so often everybody.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Leaves a lot of these teams.
Speaker 13 (19:15):
So just getting ready for that, that's basically all I
have going on.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I mean, with the Pack twelve gone, you know, coming gone.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I have a dinner with the Package's actually yeah, it's
actually still there.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
John O.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, I mean not really.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I mean, is it cool knowing that the PAC twelve,
you know who's going to participate in the PAC twelve chain,
you know who's going to be in the championships already, right?
Speaker 13 (19:38):
Nobody nobody gets after each other quite like the PAC two.
I mean, nobody competes with their opponent in conference like.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
The Parmas champions.
Speaker 13 (19:52):
Yeah, so that that will be interesting. That's tonight at
the Bellagio. Bye, Ba bye. Have a drink with the
PAC two while you're there for the Big twelve.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
The Mountain was, So are they still call it the
PAC twelve though?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I think so? Is the Big twelve still the Big twelve?
It's kind of like twenty teams? Yeah, I know, but
so is the Big ten?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Right?
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Yeah, it's never so.
Speaker 13 (20:15):
I mean, the ACC had a Coastal division and an
Atlantic Division.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
What's the difference between the two of those?
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I don't know, and howstuly the Atlantic coast is the
US coast?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Right?
Speaker 13 (20:30):
Well, now, what is the Atlantic coach closed to anywhere
near Dallas or Berkeley?
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Can I ask this Palo Alto?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah? From No.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Would it have been worse if the PAC twelve in
this case, the two remaining teams just didn't have a
media day?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Hey, explain this?
Speaker 13 (20:53):
Explain well, I mean, how do we have foot Look,
we can't play football unless we have a very odd
word hotel neeting with a guy and it went like
with a with a player in his like ill fitting
suit that it was his.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Father's, you know, the season.
Speaker 13 (21:12):
It doesn't know how to tie a tie, you know
for the tie polo that's my favorite, the tie like
around the polo neck.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
You know that that works.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
This is essentially what I'm trying to point to.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
It was the fact that it feels a bit unnecessary
for a conference that is literally.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Hanging on by a thread.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
How do they really need do we really need to
draw attention to that by having a media day for
a conference that no longer has twelve teams, let alone two,
which doesn't really even substantiate the fact that, like, you
can't have a conference with two teams.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, couldn't you just do it at Whiskey Pets and
like save you the tree?
Speaker 13 (21:49):
Wait a minute, First of all, no, isn't it pistol Pizzang.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Last night, last time I was there was Whiskey Pete Whiskey.
Speaker 13 (21:59):
In Trim, Yes, right across the street from Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Then the roller coaster, the roller.
Speaker 13 (22:05):
The now defunct roller coaster, which was one of the
most raucous roller coaster rides on the history of It's
like an old lady pushed the button and you were
off to your death tang at the Buffalo Bills, remember
that right in prim Yeah, look, you guys can sit
here and make fun of the pack too all you want.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I'm not making fun. I'm asking a question.
Speaker 13 (22:23):
You are making fun of the pack too. I bet
you kidding a name. Who's the coach of Washington State?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's an easy one.
Speaker 13 (22:33):
When Leech was the coach, that's a that's messed up.
Well you asked the question. I'm just saying, who's the coach?
Jake Dicker, Jake Dicker, that's right, all right?
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Who's the coach of Oreton State?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
I'm not that Jonathan Smith left.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Now that de coordinator took over. They within Trent Bray.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Trent Bray is Trent Bray.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, he was a Mike backer there when I was
calling games.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
And his father, who's the DC at TCU, Petros the
defensive coordinator. Yeah, I think they fired him. They did
when they hired someone else.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
No, I was supposed to play this game with college
football analysts.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Who's the coach here?
Speaker 13 (23:20):
Well, the head coach I can do generally that the
coordinators get a little more complicated. But all I'm saying
is the pack at Boise State. That was my guy
at Boise State. He did not make it. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I mean he was in the pack.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
It was easy. Give you a former head coach.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Tried to get you an easy.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
One, an easy one defensive coordinator TCU, that's Sunny Dykes's team.
They didn't even played defense. All they need is three
stops a game, and they can't get him.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Dang, they can't get him. What.
Speaker 13 (23:57):
Well, the reason I asked about the Pac twelve coaches,
these are people that have not had a lot of experience,
especially with Bray. I mean, Dickert's been around a little while,
but that's his first head coaching job. He's never been
anywhere else as a head coach.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I mean, how are they going to learn to talk
to the media unless we have a weird, awkward conversation
in Las Vegas about all their problems.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
So you have to do in Las Vegas? Could you
do it?
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Well, we used to do it.
Speaker 13 (24:23):
No, we used to do it at the Airport Sheraton
in Los Angeles when men were men. You know when
when you go to a breakout room and eat some
stale crackers and talk to Chip Kelly about playing quarterback
at New Hampshire.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Was that was real football.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
The reason I asked you who those coaches were is
just like they need their attention. They've got to find
their way to you know, some kind of at least,
I mean, their pr people have to justify their jobs.
I'm showing up for this. It's important. Indeed, it's the
pack too, Brady. And the fact that you're leaving town
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before the pack to dinner and you don't know those
coaches speaks volumes. Well, I haven't had the opportunity. I've
spoken with Jake Dicker in the past. He's pretty the opportunity. Yeah,
he's a nice guy.
Speaker 13 (25:18):
Yeah, he comes from the North Dakota State kind of
coaching tree where a lot of people kind of come from.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
And then Trent.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Bray is the other guy. And I'm sure you talked
to Andy Avalos today. I did not have a chance
to speak to anything, talk to Sonny. They didn't send
the decoordinator to Pac twelve, to Big twelve Media Day,
they did not.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
Anyway, this is college football analyst talk during the summer.
We just sit around and talk about everybody's problems, and
the problems are multifold. I remember last year at the
last supper of the Pac twelve, which Brady was at.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
At the last supper, right Brady at the it.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Felt like a funeral.
Speaker 13 (25:58):
Yes, it was the most interesting college football dinner I've
ever had, There's no doubt about that. And last year
I remember sitting there.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Talking to Justin Wilcox and he was like, he.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Said something like, listen, we could sit here all day
and talk about each other's problems, but we still have
to play football this fall.
Speaker 13 (26:20):
That's kind of what it's come to, you know. With
this transfer. We developed this guy and he left us.
We don't have any nil money or schedule sucks. We
don't know where we're gonna go.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
You know, I think this college football offseason, there's just
so much uncertainty about what the season is going to
be like with all these new alignments and affiliations, that
it's just better to get it kicked off and see
how it plays out as supposed to try to talk
about it.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Who are they going to like, how are they going
to determine what the success level of those two teams
are that are left, Like do they have a fair
opportunity to make it to the playoff? And how with
that is it based off of who they're playing, who
they're scheduled to play?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
How does that work?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I mean, I guess they're just like I mean, I
think if they had a lot of success, like you know,
we're nine to zero or something like that, somewhere in
the middle of November or early November, there's gonna.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Be a lot of buzz. I don't think that's going
to happen.
Speaker 13 (27:23):
But I think both of those teams, both of those
schools are really just scrambling for survival at this point
and waiting for the next shoe to drop. And I
think that's the most important thing about this. I don't
know if Brady agrees. I'm not sure if you guys
think this is true. But I don't think we'll.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Have this model for very long, you know.
Speaker 13 (27:44):
I don't think we'll have you know, this Big ten,
big weird, gargantuan, Big twelve, and where the Mountain West
is kind of like the only real West Coast conference
and that's very odd because it's kind of a mid
major conference. So all of those things are really awkward.
And we're still trying to figure out what this college
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football arms race between the two TV networks looks like
in five six years, you know, SEC versus Big ten
or ESPN versus Fox basically, So what happens in five
or six years probably like a big giant super league
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or something like that, and it's just going to look
less and less and less like college football. And that's
kind of that's where we are though, because of the
amount of money that's being made and that I mean,
it's just a reality of when your sport gets too popular.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
I guess this is what happens.
Speaker 13 (28:45):
It gets carpet bagged and broken up and sold off.
And I think we're right in the middle of that process.
And it's not very savory, and it's upsetting. It's upsetting
that Oregon State and Washington State are like floating programs.
It's weird that you can't and as an independent, you know,
there's all this stuff that still needs to be ironed
out and not everybody's gonna survive. And I think that's
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an interesting point, LeVar, that you make about Oregon State
and Washington State.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
What is their measure of success? Survival?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Irrelevant?
Speaker 13 (29:13):
Right, you know, we're getting people to talk about it,
which is why we have the PAC twelve drinks at
the Bollaggio tonight.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Sounds like you're excited.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
There's two travel Brady, I love it.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
I love traveling.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Oh, there's two parts to this.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
You kind of said, wait for the shoe drop to
see what happens. I think that's why they're the position
they're in is nowadays you he almost have to be
kind of progressive.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
With your thinking in order to survive.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Otherwise, if you wait, like there's no one out there
with the safety net for you. And I think that's
probably what Washington State, Oregon State thought. The PAC twelve
and whether you're wanna go back to Larry Scott whoever.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
For some of other schools who are part of the.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
PAC twelve back then, that's probably what they thought was
gonna happen, like, well, we're good, you know Cleve Cough
or Larry's they've got us, like our commissioner's got us.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
No, they don't, like you got to look out for
your No.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
But well they failed them.
Speaker 13 (30:08):
The university president, then the university presidents, Larry Scott, George Klayoff,
Coff Larry Scott and the presidents. Really they created this
vacuum of failure for basically West Coast football. And to
see it go away the way it did, I mean
we've talked about it, we've belabored the point, we've talked
about why it happened, how it happened, but it still
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is amazing to look back on and say, wow, how.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
Did you screw this up?
Speaker 13 (30:36):
Like you were not everybody else would forward thinking and
they were not, and they lost money, they bled out
and it became this which sucks.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Well, the distribution was what killed it, right, I mean,
the PAT twelve network never worked.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
That was a pack.
Speaker 13 (30:51):
Well yeah, but we can do forensics forever. I mean
you can't have First of all, you can't create your
own TV network out of nothing when you have no
idea how to do it with no distribution and no partner.
You don't even have distribution in your own regional footprint.
I mean, it was sex people Arisila could watch Arizona football,
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right And then there were like multiple opportunities to save
the thing while they were failing, and they couldn't save that.
And even Kleefkoff had an opportunity to save it with
ESPN or Apple when when SC and UCLA left and
he still couldn't do it. So it's a massive failure
and it's sad for those of us on the West
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Coast that grew up with the conference. But now you know,
picking up the pieces is where everybody is joy and.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
It brings me to the next part of it.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Like you talked about the future model, and the interesting
thing is just being here as part of the Big
twelve and what they've had some of the conversations were
last night that you know, we're probably not going to
be in this model for very long. And what's going
to probably expedite even more realignment or changes is the
new sharing is there's going to be certain schools that,
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unfortunately because of the twenty or so million and operating
costs that they haven't had before because they now have to.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Pay student athletes. There's gonna be some that have to.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Cut other sports programs have to figure out how to
make that work within their budget. And I think what's
what you pointed to was the university presidents.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
A lot of people don't know this.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
There's a there's in some cases a big divide between
the academic side of an institution and the athletic side.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
And oftentimes the.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Schools that seem to have no issue those two sides
work hand in hand. There's a lot of institutions where
that's not the case, and I think those are the
schools that could be in trouble because the president or
the academic side doesn't see the value in, you know,
having a successful football program and not you know, just
because we mentioned Sunny Dikes, go back and look at
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the success they had after going to the national championship
as far as enrollment and applications.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Anything else for their admissions. Oh yeah, we look at Colorado.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Last year, Colorado, of the same thing, they have increased
like seventy percent.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I mean because in.
Speaker 13 (33:07):
Weird situations like Mike Riley's tenure, in Oregon State. Like sure,
the enrollment gained by twenty thousand or something and the
school became more popular. You're absolutely right, and it's a
very interesting thing. I mean, even my alma mater, USC,
which is supposed to be a blue blood and this
(33:27):
giant college football operation, really, when you pick up the
curtain and.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Look behind it, it's not.
Speaker 13 (33:34):
And they're struggling to act like one of the big boys, right,
They've really tried to find that lane to be like
Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, LSU. But they have
a different situation and they're not. And what it is
is exactly what you mentioned. The university president, the board
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of trustees, the AD, and the head coach have all
got to be on the same page. That's why Oklahoma
works so well for so long under Bob Stoops because
they all had the right people in place to try
to keep the thing going. And if you don't really
have that, and look, they didn't have that at Michigan
and they lost Harbaugh over it, right, I mean he left.
(34:17):
I mean there's a lot that happened, but they didn't
have solidarity between the AD and the president.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Right, If you don't have that.
Speaker 13 (34:24):
It's really hard to have a successful college football program
now in today's day and age, where the rubbers meeting
the road, and we are no longer allowed to have
this billion dollar football team weird industry inside of our
institutions of higher education, so seamlessly without asking questions like, hey,
(34:47):
what are we doing, how does this work?
Speaker 7 (34:49):
How do we pay the players? How does this structure work?
Speaker 13 (34:51):
We had it pretty good for a long time in
our weird little college football fantasy world, but there's just
too much money being made now and the whole thing's
being torn apart and rebuilt, and it's kind of interesting.
I guess you could say we did the same thing
with the rules to the game. You know, in the
last twenty years since I've been calling games, you know,
a lot of the stuff we used to do and
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just play is no longer legal, and we've had to
adjust to that. And I guess if you like this sport,
you really do have to adjust to change year and in,
year out, because otherwise you're just gonna end up frustrated.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Like me, Patris, we taught you know, we're joking about
the Pac twelve pack two, you know, having their you know,
their media days at a David.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
At the Bellagio.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I have a drink, David Busters whatever, like whatever works
for you.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
But David Buster.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
So, but my question for you is, this is a
conference that's in your family.
Speaker 13 (35:45):
Like, coach Bray, move over, I want to spot on
that space Harrier machine.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Right, we're trying to play Golden tea and you can
step aside, please, But you so, this is a conference
that's in your family, it's in your blood. You like,
obviously you play there, your father played there in the conference.
So yeah, when did you guys sense that, Oh god,
this is all gone by bye, like like there was
a turn and it no longer was as respected or
(36:12):
run the way that it should have been run. When
you guys knew it and what you grew up with,
when did you sense it?
Speaker 13 (36:18):
I was at the PAC twelve Media day or not
media day. I was at the PAC twelve Championship and
I called the game with Brady. I was a sideline
guy from one of the sidelines. It was that one.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
It was really kind of a boring game.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
It was is it Washington, Colorado?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
No Washington, Utah?
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Remember that?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah? Defensive battle, of course.
Speaker 13 (36:40):
A defensive battle yeah, and I remember like, and I
was with Joe Davis on the plane ride home, and
like I was looking at Twitter and somebody was.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
Like, wow, what a you know what a boring call
by Joe Davis.
Speaker 13 (36:52):
And I was like, don't take on Twitter and Joe Davis,
I was like, don't take the bait, Joe, don't take
the bait.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
And then I saw his tweet. How would you have
liked me to call it?
Speaker 5 (37:01):
There was not much happening, but I remember being there
and they would do like a state of the state
at the PAC twelve championship, like Larry Scott would do
one of those like the Super Bowl kind of you
know where Roger Goodell gives a speech about the state
of the NFL.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
And I remember Larry Scott.
Speaker 13 (37:21):
They were like five years into the most crippling deal
in the history of college football. While they're hemorrhaging out
money and everybody else is stacking chips, and Larry Scott's like,
we're in a great negotiating space for twenty twenty three,
twenty seventeen or something. It's just like, dude, by twenty
twenty three, you're going to be the Mountain West, and really, ultimately.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
That is what happened. You just kind of saw.
Speaker 13 (37:47):
That everybody else was when everybody else was making a
ton of money and these networks like the Big ten
network were flourishing, the PAC twelve network was going in
the absolute opposite direction, and you could you can see
that from year one.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
So I guess that's when I saw it.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
To answer your question, can I tell you the other
time you might have seen it? Do you remember the
pactual media days? They gave the best gifts at the dinner,
and I feel like the first year it might have.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Been an iPad or something.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
It was like, whoa wow, this is like a really
nice gift, and then it slowly went downhill. It was
last year was a l well, last year was, but
the year before that, like the last year they had
it in La I can't quite recall what it was,
but that was the thing.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
It was. It was very forgettable.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
And they would do this.
Speaker 13 (38:36):
They they do these media days on like Hollywood Boulevard
and it's like, you know, with the cracked out Spider
Man and like seven Jack Sparrows and just the dregs
of society, you know, and it's like and Michael Bercovici
walking down the street.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
It's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 4 (38:53):
You know?
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Oh, you know what I mean. It it never made sense.
Speaker 13 (38:58):
You know, we're gonna we're gonna WinCE Hollywood, We're gonna
go to the Sody Lot, We're gonna go We're gonna
make the media drive around West Los Angeles. It's like, dude,
they just never had it figured out.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
It started to feel like they had a little momentum
when they started to kind of move some of their
stuff to Las Vegas, but it was never going to
work with that TV deal.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
And it sucks.
Speaker 13 (39:19):
It sucks for it sucks for everybody because you look
at the conference, the PAC twelve conference last year, and yeah,
Washington they they want a playoff game and they lost
in the championship.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
But they had a great year.
Speaker 13 (39:32):
I mean, Bo Nicks, Panix, Caleb Williams, I mean whatever
was happening in Colorado, which was interesting.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
I mean the conference was an.
Speaker 13 (39:42):
Absolute joy last year and it was, you know, just
like kind of a sunset.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
That was it.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
And it to pick up the pieces will be interesting.
We'll see what it's like tonight at.
Speaker 13 (39:56):
The PAC two drinks for two, Oh yeah, you think it.
It's just gonna be me and John Canzano staring at
each other.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Probably I was gonna say, what's the how many people
you think will be in attendance? How many media members?
What are we looking at over under like me? Johnny
cans Wilner, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's fine as long as you're there.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
Maybe the voice of the bees.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Fair well, Patros have a good time. I have a
couple of cocktails in our honor.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
And do you guys see Violet Affleck?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Uh? I actually saw that, Yes, I saw that.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (40:38):
It's it's interesting, m Violet Affleck.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
She's calling for what like UV light, Oh, a war
filtered masks and all that, and government facilities or something.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
UV lights, some kind of air filtration and.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Masks mass interesting. I thought it was a movie or
TV show or something.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
It seemed like it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Okay, Uh, I'll keep my comments to myself.
Speaker 13 (41:05):
No, I just I just loved her breathy delivery reminds
me of my of how I try to like pull
it together.
Speaker 10 (41:12):
In the morning.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Here breathy pull out the Violet Affleck real quick before
before I leave.
Speaker 13 (41:20):
I want to hear her breathy deliver. This is gonna
be me talking too, talking about.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Brady and Andy Alos and uh Trent Bray and Jake
Dickard tonight.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, I think we uh you find it the lap
find it smart on Twitter?
Speaker 7 (41:39):
Right violent and give me the speech.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Well, problems, we're up against it. We don't if we're
going to be able to it's coming on next you know,
you know, other stuff going on. We got the BQ
News coming up.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
We got to play.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
They always they always have the news.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
We We've literally left you enough space now where the
BQ News does not impact your hit at all.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
That is true.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
They are making excuses, Petros. I'll say that you can
go longer if you want.
Speaker 13 (42:03):
Right now, I want to play itchy or sticky, Yes,
right now, I can pull it up on my phone
and stick the thing to the mic right now.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
You want me to do it?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I mean, listen, it's up to it's up to lead lead.
We have a do we have an opportunity to do this?
Or are we going to get weed to get in
trouble here?
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Joonas is worried about the radio face.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Hey, I'm a clock guy, like I care about the clock.
You know you're not. That's that's me.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
I can here come violent affleck Are you ready?
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Yeah, We're ready, islet a Flack, Los Angeles resident, first
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Speaker 3 (42:47):
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Availability of high quality, free tests and treatment. And most importantly,
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Speaker 4 (43:28):
Able to Partici talk it so fast?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
It was breathy. It definitely was breathy. Pet, you don't
sound anything like that.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
That's me to not ye too.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Come on, that was definitely that.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
I mean, does she have like a time limit? Like
I don't get what.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
She's talking to her mother? She was taking deep breaths. What,
of course Lee was at a wedding with Jennifer Garner. Yes,
he was. He was sitting behind me the whole time.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
So instead of finding the sound, you just figured you'd
open your mind.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Do you don't want to ask any questions about Jennifer
Garter at the wedding? What was she like, Lee?
Speaker 7 (44:06):
I heard she's a lovely lady.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
She was very nice. She was very nice. She split
right after the ceremony.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Are fantastic.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
I heard she went up to you when she was
an usher and said, watch on your wallet.
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Speaker 2 (44:43):
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Speaker 7 (44:47):
Laugh.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Good morning everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning LeVar.
Speaker 15 (44:50):
Guys, In case you haven't been watching Wimbledon, you might
have missed the fact that Novak Djokovic beat Holgaroon in
straight sets.
Speaker 6 (44:57):
Ye ly, hey Brady.
Speaker 15 (45:00):
And in the case you did miss that, you might
have missed this awesome postgame rant from Djokovic telling the
crowd to get in line, take a listen.
Speaker 16 (45:08):
And to all those people that have chosen to disrespect
the play player in this case me, have a good night.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Night, good night, very good night.
Speaker 10 (45:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (45:26):
I'm hoping that they were just commenting on RUNA and
that they weren't disrespecting you.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
They were, they were.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
I don't accept it.
Speaker 16 (45:34):
No, no, no, I know they were checking for Rune,
but that's an excuse to also boo.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I listen, I've.
Speaker 16 (45:43):
Been I've been on the tour for more than twenty years,
so trust me, I know all the tricks.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I know how it works.
Speaker 16 (45:49):
It's fine, it's fine, it's okay. I focus on irrespectful
people that have respect that paid the ticket to come and.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Watch the night.
Speaker 16 (45:58):
I love Dennis, I love tennis and appreciate the players
and the effort of the players put in here.
Speaker 7 (46:05):
I played in much more hostile environment. Trust me, you
guys can't touch.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Me, all right. That's when you know you a goat.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
Yeah, that's why you know you are a goat.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Nothing beats a bad guy promo and professional wrestling, and
nothing beats an athlete telling the crowd they suck and
they can't do a damn thing about it.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Good for him, you swing a racket player.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
God, I get it though.
Speaker 7 (46:34):
Damnang bang bang.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
And everybody was talking to food.
Speaker 17 (46:42):
He just like man told him, like listen, and just
so you know, if you guys think you are any
good at this, you're not basically just clown the entire crowd.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Well, good for him. You know you are that. You
are the man by the way, uh leeve, We've got
time from one more.
Speaker 15 (47:00):
Yeah, in case you have been living under a rock.
Haley Welsh, the Haktua Girl, did a promo for the
Hard Rock Guitar Hotel.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Guess what jersey she was wearing.
Speaker 6 (47:11):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Fort Lauderdale, Florida that.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Was hosting her. He's a good host. Does a sound
mister Midnight
He's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Arrington, Rating Winn and Jonas Knox on
FOXTS Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a Monday following a long ass.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Fourth of July weekend, thank goodness, with people still recovering,
most notably our executive producer Lee to Lap, who is kind.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Of a how's he doing. He's in the midst of
the state.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
He's in a state right now?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
How's he doing? Midst of a battle? You know, he's
in a battle.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
He's a he's in a twelve round slug fest with
his lower intestines, trying to figure out how how he
can save himself and the rest of the studio. Lee,
are you going to be able to get through this
or what what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We're gonna make it through, get through this together. I
am curious though.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I mean, we did see the hots all getting contests,
but that actually the lemonade drinking contest tole the stage.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh god, people got to stop giving up. The ghost
wasn't enough, said the guy threw up everything he'd eaten
since he was five years old because he chugged a
gallon of lemonade and people are standing there like it's go.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
Anywhere though, just how you throw up your whole life,
it's just normal.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Still, it looked like he was still holding what he
think he is, like pool floating. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Reserves, He'll be all right, reserves, speaking fast for the
next six months, he'll be all right. Everything's gonna be okay.
But nonetheless, we are off and running here on a
Monday morning, and I'm just.
Speaker 7 (01:43):
Not stop me care.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, I'm noticing a trend here. How come like
nobody's playing with the Lakers now, like nobody wants.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm just I was looking around and I see DeMar
DeRozan is the latest. I'm seeing Klay Thompson. Like, now
I know why everyone was trying to feed you these
garbage stories about well you the father son, the last
name of no the reason why they drafted Bronnie James
because they couldn't get anybody else.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
To follow him.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So so I think that's really the reason here, because
it looks like whatever the plan was going into this offseason,
everybody's going elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Everybody's going elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And now Bronnie James has got a swollen knee and
was kept out of the second NBA Summer League game,
and then he had You know, LeVar was blown away
with his two for nine shooting in his first Summer League.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
No, that was away.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Yeah, he looked amazing out there and text text tech
I was I was being sarcastic.
Speaker 8 (02:44):
Okay, because you know what responded back, I was like,
there is a I watched it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I watched it.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
He's he struggled, which that's nothing new if you've seen
his game. But look, he's a young player. He's got
time to develop. He needs to be out there playing,
though it's tough. When you're not healthy, you can't be
out there getting better. But it was exactly what he
was defined to be as a prospect.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
He struggles shooting. I mean he couldn't even make a couple.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Of free throws, but you saw, you know, the way,
at least athletically, how he can attack, how we will
try to play defense. The problem is the more time
we see him, especially in you know, defensively speaking, he's
going to struggle, Like he's going to struggle being able
to switch on screens because you can't match up with
guys we're going to be seven eight, nine ten inches
taller than him, and that's unfortunately the position that he's
(03:34):
going to be in often being what six one and
a half or whatever he.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Was at the NBA Combine.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Yeah, he moved around pretty good. He just couldn't make
a shot. You know, maybe that's nerves. He missed some
free throws. I mean, listen, we've gotten through the initial
you know, he he's gotten drafted. Everybody falls on there
certain sides of it. I've gotten attacked for saying what
I've said about it. If you say you said apparently,
(04:01):
if you say anything outside of it's a great pick
at fifty five that you're a hater. And and and
not only did I get he's a hater, but I
guess I am not as good a dad as Lebron
is and and my son isn't as good a player
as Bronni is. That's I've gotten it all. I gotten
it all, which is okay, It's okay. I don't have
any milice in my heart or any type of hate
(04:23):
towards lebron James or Bronnie James. I just felt like,
honestly speaking, if we're shooting straight, I think we all
know what the storyline is. And that's that's that's connected
to the draft. Now fast forward to the Summer League.
There were questions as to whether he was going to
even participate, which would make it a first ever in
(04:43):
the history of the Summer League that a draftee did
not participate, but he did so they got one game
out of the way. So regardless of a banged up
knee or whatever it may be as to why he
may not play again or play at all the rest
of the Summer League, he knocked down one game. Let's
(05:04):
say that his movement was good. It did not look
as though he did not belong He'd looked like he
which I didn't think initially seeing him out there, that
he would look like he belonged in an NBA uniform.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I was wrong.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
He looked like he belonged. It just looked as though
he had and be clear, more than any other rookie
out there, name one rookie that had the weight of
the world of their shoulders that Brownie James did going
into their first Summer League game. So, I mean, if
you expected him to be a world beater going into it,
(05:46):
with the type of pressure he's had on him, that
would have been best case scenario. Worst case scenario, maybe
he misses all his shots. Okay scenario meaning you know,
it wasn't a failure. It wasn't a great success. It
just wasn't a failure either was what he did, which
is that should be on par for what it was, and.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Good for him. He's out of the gates. He's out
of the block.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
So lebron spoke recently with David Minimum, the Lakers reporter,
and just kind of according to his dad, Bronnie doesn't
share these same feelings about criticism that his dad once did.
Speaker 9 (06:24):
I don't know if people really understand Bronnie. He doesn't care.
I actually cared a little bit when I came in.
I wanted people to like like me, and some of
the things that people were saying about me kind of
bothered me early on in my career.
Speaker 10 (06:38):
I let it get to me. Ronnie doesn't.
Speaker 9 (06:40):
He doesn't get up, he doesn't he does not care
about nobody's he doesn't even listen to that stuff. He's
like the complete opposite of his dad. His dad will
say something, yeah, Bronnie does not care like me personally.
When I was coming up, I had no choice. I
literally had no choice. I had to make it out.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's the key.
Speaker 10 (06:59):
I had no choice, so I had to.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
Make it out for me, my mom, family, Brannie has
all the choices in the world.
Speaker 10 (07:04):
So it's like a whole other people don't understand how
hard that is in the.
Speaker 9 (07:08):
Commitment for him to be coming out of heart surgery
less than a year ago, for him to be able
to be in the NBA.
Speaker 10 (07:15):
That's the kid is He's special, but he doesn't care.
He doesn't. It doesn't, It doesn't bother.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I dig where he's coming from and for what it's
worth in twenty twenty four, don't. I don't think that
it's measured or weigh the same anymore in terms of
haves and have nots. A kid that has nothing and
absolutely nothing and has to try to make it by
playing basketball, playing a sport, or whatever it may be,
(07:41):
versus a kid who comes from privilege and has it
all and happens to have one of the greatest basketball
players that ever play the game on the planets as
a father. I don't think and Gilbert Reenus and a
couple guys had this conversation before. I don't think that
there's a discrepancy between the two to be honest than
other than if the kid that doesn't have anything going
(08:05):
for himself in terms of family, wealth and resources, they
have to figure it out. But you know what a
kid like Lebronni James, he has to figure it out
if it doesn't go well at the same time. So
they're both facing the same thing, which is themselves. You
got to put in the work. Are you putting in
(08:26):
the work? Are you getting the development? Are you being
what you need to be? So I get where he's
coming from. Me Man's a lot like that. Man Man
doesn't care what people He doesn't care what people say
about him. I did. I cared about what people said.
They said that I was undisciplined, or they said that
I didn't study. It upset me. I was called an
athlete much of my career. It upset me because it's like,
(08:48):
why can't I gain and garner the respect of someone
who's a student of the game?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I was?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I was.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
I was one of the biggest students of the game
because I was a fan of the game, so I
always wanted to understand. So it bothered me when people
say things about me. Man Man's like, like, it's what
it is. So I get where he's coming from. And
I think a lot of that has to do with
the way he's raised. He's raised by a guy that
has gone through it at the upper level of it
(09:16):
all and and and now here they are, so I
think this important to him.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Though I think that's part of it. I think the
other difference is, like we grew up through an age
where you.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Didn't have it.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
The reality is today's athlete cannot hide from criticism because
they're going to hop on social media.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Everyone's got it.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
They've got to have it for marketing or business opportunities,
to connect to their fan base, whatever the case is.
So you can't avoid it. And and all of you said,
all of what you said is true. But I think
on top of that, it's just the day and age
for these athletes is they are so accustomed to the
criticism that comes with a cesspool that is social media,
(09:58):
that they've got thicker and they're more callous than I
think people realize. Because when I mean when we were
coming up, man, like when social media came out, We're like, dude,
where all these guys talking trash? We want to fight them,
Like that's the kind of reaction you had to it
because it was so new to you and got granted,
it was also probably back in the day and age
where people did get a lot of fights, but they
(10:18):
kind of buried. It wasn't as big of a deal
nowadays that there's a like lawsuits involved everything else.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I just think it's a different era.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
It's a different era of athlete nowadays, where they have
to be able to be mentally tough enough to endure
social media, the good and the bad. I mean, as
much as I'm talking about the negative of it, there's
also the build up where social media can build people
up to be, you know, the best of the best,
the greatest ever, all those conversations over just one season,
(10:48):
and you're like, now, wait a second, Like we've watched
some of these guys in the past and do it
for a series of years, you know, Tom Brady for
two decades, you know. I think there's just a difference
in the way younger athletes today now perceive themselves and
social media and their own image. And I think they're just better,
better mentally prepared for everything that being a professional athlete brings.
(11:12):
Now even I guess even college, but that's kind of
a professional athlete anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Nowadays I mean, you just got to do what I do.
What's that?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
All right?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Just have such a low opinion of yourself that whatever
anybody else says, yeah, whatever, that ten dollars, that's the truth.
That's passive aggressive. It's not passive aggressive.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
It's the truth putting yourself down knowing that on the
other side of it, you're like, man, I am the
sexiest mofo.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Alaugh, Brady you Brady? Is you? You think you are?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It's the difference.
Speaker 11 (11:42):
I mean, I want to say I had I thought
I was going to be interested in watching Brownie James
actually play, and then I saw a couple of highlights.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I mean, the fact that we were to find a
couple highlights is impressive, but I saw it get highlights.
I have no interest in watching him playing the Summer
League because I look at it like it's like a
buddy that you know is not funny, and he tries
stand up comedy, like he doesn't open mic night, and
you're like, I don't even want to go because he's
going to find out real quick he doesn't qualify to
be on that stage, And like, I don't want to
(12:17):
watch him go through and struggle and take because anybody
that's got an issue with Bronnie James has an issue
with Lebron James. And that's really where this is coming from.
And he's never done anything to where I'm like, well, yeah,
like he went out and said I should be a
draft pick, I should be this, Like he threw his
name in the hat. He probably understood what the situation was.
(12:38):
But you've never heard him do anything really wrong or
anything that should be criticized other than just having the
same last name and who his dad is. So I
look at it and I go, I don't even want
to watch man, because we know how this is going
to go. So let's just fast track it. Let's get
to the good part of the story. And let's just
go to the part in the regular season where him
and Lebron are on the same team together and maybe
(12:59):
Lebron is on an open jump shot.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He moves, He.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Moves well enough where I could actually see him in
a regular season game now for how long?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
For how long?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know. He missed the second game because he's
got nee swallowing. We're off to a rough start, you
know what I mean. Can we just regular season?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I think y'all be thinking I'm glass half empty, which
I am.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm going glass half for today, y'all y'all are you? Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You too?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, y'all.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Well, you know, and you didn't say I'm a hater
per se. You just said that, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Also, can we pause because you did bring up man
Man earlier for this audience here at the Herd. You know,
I don't know that they know the backstory of the
nickname man Man.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Who man Man is?
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Man Man is LeVar Arrington? The second second, Yeah, he
committed to Penn State. He's going to go play linebacker
edge at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Dammit.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, baby.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
But he's got a lot I just did an interview
on him this morning, and it's like nobody knows who
he is. Like they're trying there is all these interviews
requests because it's like is he being overvalued? Is he
being undervalue? What's his value? And the recruiting, the recruiting process,
what's his worth? And it's like, is that something that
(14:16):
you guys talk about you think about said, that's one
hundred percent something that we thought about going into it.
Man Man hasn't done any camps. He hasn't done any
seven on sevens. All he's done is is unofficial visits.
That's it in the end, his official visits. And the
reason being is we had the opportunity a couple of
times to possibly take them out and send them to
(14:38):
a bigger school. Modern Day was the school that we
were thinking about doing it. But we love the development
and the guidance of the head coach, Dom Ferrar that
he's under now. And we felt as though him being
under the radar because of his name, him being man Man,
so everybody calls him man, so he wasn't being called LeVar.
(14:59):
It's like LaVar LeVar if it's football terms. It was
he was Manned, so nobody really knew who he was
until he started to getting recruited, which it worked perfectly
because it kept him humble, it kept him hungry, and
he was aware of the fact that he was going
to have to earn everything that he got. He didn't
start get recruited until this past year, like right right now,
(15:21):
his junior year. Going through his junior year. Generally, if
you're a top guy, you'll start getting recruited like eighth
ninth grade. So he's gone through the process the right way.
So that's why I'm saying I can relate to the
whole conversation with Lebron and Brownie at this point because
I do have a second as well, and that's a heart.
(15:41):
It's a hard place to be in and you'll see
Q and you'll see Jonas. When your boy gets bigger,
you start to have different types of emotions and feelings
about what their accomplishments, what their achievements are, because you
have to balance being a father, but you're also balancing
trying to train them to be successful and there in
the ways that they go about their their lives and
(16:04):
how they prepare. But then there's the fan, and you
should always be your kid's biggest fan. So it's like
you have to find the balancing point of not putting
yourself in danger of being delusional, because you could actually
be so delusional that your kid ends up being delusional.
So I've I've always fallen on the other side of it.
I've been pretty hard on them. I've been pretty hard
(16:26):
on him, and listen, I feel like it's working so
and I'm sure Lebron feels the same exact way about
how he's approached what he's doing with Brownie and for
for better or for worse for whatever anybody may think.
The guy guided his kid to a La Lakers Jersey.
However he got there. He got there. He's in La
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Lakers Jersey.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah, he mean I do. It's coming to some point.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
They might have hijack the plane.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
You know, since eleven they don't pick fifty five A right,
I mean we got here.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm a pilot t.
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He is the co host of the Petros and Money Show,
which you know, yea on the blowtorch.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Hello four, Hello, college football analysts? Pee, what's happening? Good morning?
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Oh not much.
Speaker 13 (18:34):
I'm gonna go to Las Vegas a little later today there,
which is, yes, they're going to miss each other. But
it looks it looks like my one trip a year
maybe to Las Vegas to listen to the problems of
some college football coaches and then hopefully god willing return home.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
On Friday or Thursday and report back.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
And I have my football magazines, and I've been looking
up my football teams and trying to deal with where
everybody transferred and who's who and who's back, which is
always fun to see because so often everybody.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Leaves a lot of these teams.
Speaker 13 (19:15):
So just getting ready for that, that's basically all I
have going on.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I mean, with the Pack twelve gone, you know, coming gone.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I have a dinner with the Package's actually yeah, it's
actually still there.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
John O.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, I mean not really.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I mean, is it cool knowing that the PAC twelve,
you know who's going to participate in the PAC twelve chain,
you know who's going to be in the championships already, right?
Speaker 13 (19:38):
Nobody nobody gets after each other quite like the PAC two.
I mean, nobody competes with their opponent in conference like.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
The Parmas champions.
Speaker 13 (19:52):
Yeah, so that that will be interesting. That's tonight at
the Bellagio. Bye, Ba bye. Have a drink with the
PAC two while you're there for the Big twelve.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
The Mountain was, So are they still call it the
PAC twelve though?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I think so? Is the Big twelve still the Big twelve?
It's kind of like twenty teams? Yeah, I know, but
so is the Big ten?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Right?
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Yeah, it's never so.
Speaker 13 (20:15):
I mean, the ACC had a Coastal division and an
Atlantic Division.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
What's the difference between the two of those?
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I don't know, and howstuly the Atlantic coast is the
US coast?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Right?
Speaker 13 (20:30):
Well, now, what is the Atlantic coach closed to anywhere
near Dallas or Berkeley?
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Can I ask this Palo Alto?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah? From No.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Would it have been worse if the PAC twelve in
this case, the two remaining teams just didn't have a
media day?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Hey, explain this?
Speaker 13 (20:53):
Explain well, I mean, how do we have foot Look,
we can't play football unless we have a very odd
word hotel neeting with a guy and it went like
with a with a player in his like ill fitting
suit that it was his.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Father's, you know, the season.
Speaker 13 (21:12):
It doesn't know how to tie a tie, you know
for the tie polo that's my favorite, the tie like
around the polo neck.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
You know that that works.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
This is essentially what I'm trying to point to.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
It was the fact that it feels a bit unnecessary
for a conference that is literally.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Hanging on by a thread.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
How do they really need do we really need to
draw attention to that by having a media day for
a conference that no longer has twelve teams, let alone two,
which doesn't really even substantiate the fact that, like, you
can't have a conference with two teams.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, couldn't you just do it at Whiskey Pets and
like save you the tree?
Speaker 13 (21:49):
Wait a minute, First of all, no, isn't it pistol Pizzang.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Last night, last time I was there was Whiskey Pete Whiskey.
Speaker 13 (21:59):
In Trim, Yes, right across the street from Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Then the roller coaster, the roller.
Speaker 13 (22:05):
The now defunct roller coaster, which was one of the
most raucous roller coaster rides on the history of It's
like an old lady pushed the button and you were
off to your death tang at the Buffalo Bills, remember
that right in prim Yeah, look, you guys can sit
here and make fun of the pack too all you want.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I'm not making fun. I'm asking a question.
Speaker 13 (22:23):
You are making fun of the pack too. I bet
you kidding a name. Who's the coach of Washington State?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's an easy one.
Speaker 13 (22:33):
When Leech was the coach, that's a that's messed up.
Well you asked the question. I'm just saying, who's the coach?
Jake Dicker, Jake Dicker, that's right, all right?
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Who's the coach of Oreton State?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
I'm not that Jonathan Smith left.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Now that de coordinator took over. They within Trent Bray.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Trent Bray is Trent Bray.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, he was a Mike backer there when I was
calling games.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
And his father, who's the DC at TCU, Petros the
defensive coordinator. Yeah, I think they fired him. They did
when they hired someone else.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
No, I was supposed to play this game with college
football analysts.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Who's the coach here?
Speaker 13 (23:20):
Well, the head coach I can do generally that the
coordinators get a little more complicated. But all I'm saying
is the pack at Boise State. That was my guy
at Boise State. He did not make it. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I mean he was in the pack.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
It was easy. Give you a former head coach.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Tried to get you an easy.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
One, an easy one defensive coordinator TCU, that's Sunny Dykes's team.
They didn't even played defense. All they need is three
stops a game, and they can't get him.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Dang, they can't get him. What.
Speaker 13 (23:57):
Well, the reason I asked about the Pac twelve coaches,
these are people that have not had a lot of experience,
especially with Bray. I mean, Dickert's been around a little while,
but that's his first head coaching job. He's never been
anywhere else as a head coach.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I mean, how are they going to learn to talk
to the media unless we have a weird, awkward conversation
in Las Vegas about all their problems.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
So you have to do in Las Vegas? Could you
do it?
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Well, we used to do it.
Speaker 13 (24:23):
No, we used to do it at the Airport Sheraton
in Los Angeles when men were men. You know when
when you go to a breakout room and eat some
stale crackers and talk to Chip Kelly about playing quarterback
at New Hampshire.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Was that was real football.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
The reason I asked you who those coaches were is
just like they need their attention. They've got to find
their way to you know, some kind of at least,
I mean, their pr people have to justify their jobs.
I'm showing up for this. It's important. Indeed, it's the
pack too, Brady. And the fact that you're leaving town
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before the pack to dinner and you don't know those
coaches speaks volumes. Well, I haven't had the opportunity. I've
spoken with Jake Dicker in the past. He's pretty the opportunity. Yeah,
he's a nice guy.
Speaker 13 (25:18):
Yeah, he comes from the North Dakota State kind of
coaching tree where a lot of people kind of come from.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
And then Trent.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Bray is the other guy. And I'm sure you talked
to Andy Avalos today. I did not have a chance
to speak to anything, talk to Sonny. They didn't send
the decoordinator to Pac twelve, to Big twelve Media Day,
they did not.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
Anyway, this is college football analyst talk during the summer.
We just sit around and talk about everybody's problems, and
the problems are multifold. I remember last year at the
last supper of the Pac twelve, which Brady was at.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
At the last supper, right Brady at the it.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Felt like a funeral.
Speaker 13 (25:58):
Yes, it was the most interesting college football dinner I've
ever had, There's no doubt about that. And last year
I remember sitting there.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Talking to Justin Wilcox and he was like, he.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Said something like, listen, we could sit here all day
and talk about each other's problems, but we still have
to play football this fall.
Speaker 13 (26:20):
That's kind of what it's come to, you know. With
this transfer. We developed this guy and he left us.
We don't have any nil money or schedule sucks. We
don't know where we're gonna go.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
You know, I think this college football offseason, there's just
so much uncertainty about what the season is going to
be like with all these new alignments and affiliations, that
it's just better to get it kicked off and see
how it plays out as supposed to try to talk
about it.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Who are they going to like, how are they going
to determine what the success level of those two teams
are that are left, Like do they have a fair
opportunity to make it to the playoff? And how with
that is it based off of who they're playing, who
they're scheduled to play?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
How does that work?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I mean, I guess they're just like I mean, I
think if they had a lot of success, like you know,
we're nine to zero or something like that, somewhere in
the middle of November or early November, there's gonna.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Be a lot of buzz. I don't think that's going
to happen.
Speaker 13 (27:23):
But I think both of those teams, both of those
schools are really just scrambling for survival at this point
and waiting for the next shoe to drop. And I
think that's the most important thing about this. I don't
know if Brady agrees. I'm not sure if you guys
think this is true. But I don't think we'll.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Have this model for very long, you know.
Speaker 13 (27:44):
I don't think we'll have you know, this Big ten,
big weird, gargantuan, Big twelve, and where the Mountain West
is kind of like the only real West Coast conference
and that's very odd because it's kind of a mid
major conference. So all of those things are really awkward.
And we're still trying to figure out what this college
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football arms race between the two TV networks looks like
in five six years, you know, SEC versus Big ten
or ESPN versus Fox basically, So what happens in five
or six years probably like a big giant super league
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or something like that, and it's just going to look
less and less and less like college football. And that's
kind of that's where we are though, because of the
amount of money that's being made and that I mean,
it's just a reality of when your sport gets too popular.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
I guess this is what happens.
Speaker 13 (28:45):
It gets carpet bagged and broken up and sold off.
And I think we're right in the middle of that process.
And it's not very savory, and it's upsetting. It's upsetting
that Oregon State and Washington State are like floating programs.
It's weird that you can't and as an independent, you know,
there's all this stuff that still needs to be ironed
out and not everybody's gonna survive. And I think that's
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an interesting point, LeVar, that you make about Oregon State
and Washington State.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
What is their measure of success? Survival?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Irrelevant?
Speaker 13 (29:13):
Right, you know, we're getting people to talk about it,
which is why we have the PAC twelve drinks at
the Bollaggio tonight.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Sounds like you're excited.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
There's two travel Brady, I love it.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
I love traveling.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Oh, there's two parts to this.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
You kind of said, wait for the shoe drop to
see what happens. I think that's why they're the position
they're in is nowadays you he almost have to be
kind of progressive.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
With your thinking in order to survive.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Otherwise, if you wait, like there's no one out there
with the safety net for you. And I think that's
probably what Washington State, Oregon State thought. The PAC twelve
and whether you're wanna go back to Larry Scott whoever.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
For some of other schools who are part of the.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
PAC twelve back then, that's probably what they thought was
gonna happen, like, well, we're good, you know Cleve Cough
or Larry's they've got us, like our commissioner's got us.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
No, they don't, like you got to look out for
your No.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
But well they failed them.
Speaker 13 (30:08):
The university president, then the university presidents, Larry Scott, George Klayoff,
Coff Larry Scott and the presidents. Really they created this
vacuum of failure for basically West Coast football. And to
see it go away the way it did, I mean
we've talked about it, we've belabored the point, we've talked
about why it happened, how it happened, but it still
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is amazing to look back on and say, wow, how.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
Did you screw this up?
Speaker 13 (30:36):
Like you were not everybody else would forward thinking and
they were not, and they lost money, they bled out
and it became this which sucks.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Well, the distribution was what killed it, right, I mean,
the PAT twelve network never worked.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
That was a pack.
Speaker 13 (30:51):
Well yeah, but we can do forensics forever. I mean
you can't have First of all, you can't create your
own TV network out of nothing when you have no
idea how to do it with no distribution and no partner.
You don't even have distribution in your own regional footprint.
I mean, it was sex people Arisila could watch Arizona football,
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right And then there were like multiple opportunities to save
the thing while they were failing, and they couldn't save that.
And even Kleefkoff had an opportunity to save it with
ESPN or Apple when when SC and UCLA left and
he still couldn't do it. So it's a massive failure
and it's sad for those of us on the West
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Coast that grew up with the conference. But now you know,
picking up the pieces is where everybody is joy and.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
It brings me to the next part of it.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Like you talked about the future model, and the interesting
thing is just being here as part of the Big
twelve and what they've had some of the conversations were
last night that you know, we're probably not going to
be in this model for very long. And what's going
to probably expedite even more realignment or changes is the
new sharing is there's going to be certain schools that,
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unfortunately because of the twenty or so million and operating
costs that they haven't had before because they now have to.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Pay student athletes. There's gonna be some that have to.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Cut other sports programs have to figure out how to
make that work within their budget. And I think what's
what you pointed to was the university presidents.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
A lot of people don't know this.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
There's a there's in some cases a big divide between
the academic side of an institution and the athletic side.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
And oftentimes the.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Schools that seem to have no issue those two sides
work hand in hand. There's a lot of institutions where
that's not the case, and I think those are the
schools that could be in trouble because the president or
the academic side doesn't see the value in, you know,
having a successful football program and not you know, just
because we mentioned Sunny Dikes, go back and look at
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the success they had after going to the national championship
as far as enrollment and applications.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Anything else for their admissions. Oh yeah, we look at Colorado.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Last year, Colorado, of the same thing, they have increased
like seventy percent.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I mean because in.
Speaker 13 (33:07):
Weird situations like Mike Riley's tenure, in Oregon State. Like sure,
the enrollment gained by twenty thousand or something and the
school became more popular. You're absolutely right, and it's a
very interesting thing. I mean, even my alma mater, USC,
which is supposed to be a blue blood and this
(33:27):
giant college football operation, really, when you pick up the
curtain and.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Look behind it, it's not.
Speaker 13 (33:34):
And they're struggling to act like one of the big boys, right,
They've really tried to find that lane to be like
Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, LSU. But they have
a different situation and they're not. And what it is
is exactly what you mentioned. The university president, the board
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of trustees, the AD, and the head coach have all
got to be on the same page. That's why Oklahoma
works so well for so long under Bob Stoops because
they all had the right people in place to try
to keep the thing going. And if you don't really
have that, and look, they didn't have that at Michigan
and they lost Harbaugh over it, right, I mean he left.
(34:17):
I mean there's a lot that happened, but they didn't
have solidarity between the AD and the president.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Right, If you don't have that.
Speaker 13 (34:24):
It's really hard to have a successful college football program
now in today's day and age, where the rubbers meeting
the road, and we are no longer allowed to have
this billion dollar football team weird industry inside of our
institutions of higher education, so seamlessly without asking questions like, hey,
(34:47):
what are we doing, how does this work?
Speaker 7 (34:49):
How do we pay the players? How does this structure work?
Speaker 13 (34:51):
We had it pretty good for a long time in
our weird little college football fantasy world, but there's just
too much money being made now and the whole thing's
being torn apart and rebuilt, and it's kind of interesting.
I guess you could say we did the same thing
with the rules to the game. You know, in the
last twenty years since I've been calling games, you know,
a lot of the stuff we used to do and
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just play is no longer legal, and we've had to
adjust to that. And I guess if you like this sport,
you really do have to adjust to change year and in,
year out, because otherwise you're just gonna end up frustrated.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Like me, Patris, we taught you know, we're joking about
the Pac twelve pack two, you know, having their you know,
their media days at a David.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
At the Bellagio.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I have a drink, David Busters whatever, like whatever works
for you.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
But David Buster.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
So, but my question for you is, this is a
conference that's in your family.
Speaker 13 (35:45):
Like, coach Bray, move over, I want to spot on
that space Harrier machine.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Right, we're trying to play Golden tea and you can
step aside, please, But you so, this is a conference
that's in your family, it's in your blood. You like,
obviously you play there, your father played there in the conference.
So yeah, when did you guys sense that, Oh god,
this is all gone by bye, like like there was
a turn and it no longer was as respected or
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run the way that it should have been run. When
you guys knew it and what you grew up with,
when did you sense it?
Speaker 13 (36:18):
I was at the PAC twelve Media day or not
media day. I was at the PAC twelve Championship and
I called the game with Brady. I was a sideline
guy from one of the sidelines. It was that one.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
It was really kind of a boring game.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
It was is it Washington, Colorado?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
No Washington, Utah?
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Remember that?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah? Defensive battle, of course.
Speaker 13 (36:40):
A defensive battle yeah, and I remember like, and I
was with Joe Davis on the plane ride home, and
like I was looking at Twitter and somebody was.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
Like, wow, what a you know what a boring call
by Joe Davis.
Speaker 13 (36:52):
And I was like, don't take on Twitter and Joe Davis,
I was like, don't take the bait, Joe, don't take
the bait.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
And then I saw his tweet. How would you have
liked me to call it?
Speaker 5 (37:01):
There was not much happening, but I remember being there
and they would do like a state of the state
at the PAC twelve championship, like Larry Scott would do
one of those like the Super Bowl kind of you
know where Roger Goodell gives a speech about the state
of the NFL.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
And I remember Larry Scott.
Speaker 13 (37:21):
They were like five years into the most crippling deal
in the history of college football. While they're hemorrhaging out
money and everybody else is stacking chips, and Larry Scott's like,
we're in a great negotiating space for twenty twenty three,
twenty seventeen or something. It's just like, dude, by twenty
twenty three, you're going to be the Mountain West, and really, ultimately.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
That is what happened. You just kind of saw.
Speaker 13 (37:47):
That everybody else was when everybody else was making a
ton of money and these networks like the Big ten
network were flourishing, the PAC twelve network was going in
the absolute opposite direction, and you could you can see
that from year one.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
So I guess that's when I saw it.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
To answer your question, can I tell you the other
time you might have seen it? Do you remember the
pactual media days? They gave the best gifts at the dinner,
and I feel like the first year it might have.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Been an iPad or something.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
It was like, whoa wow, this is like a really
nice gift, and then it slowly went downhill. It was
last year was a l well, last year was, but
the year before that, like the last year they had
it in La I can't quite recall what it was,
but that was the thing.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
It was. It was very forgettable.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
And they would do this.
Speaker 13 (38:36):
They they do these media days on like Hollywood Boulevard
and it's like, you know, with the cracked out Spider
Man and like seven Jack Sparrows and just the dregs
of society, you know, and it's like and Michael Bercovici
walking down the street.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
It's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 4 (38:53):
You know?
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Oh, you know what I mean. It it never made sense.
Speaker 13 (38:58):
You know, we're gonna we're gonna WinCE Hollywood, We're gonna
go to the Sody Lot, We're gonna go We're gonna
make the media drive around West Los Angeles. It's like, dude,
they just never had it figured out.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
It started to feel like they had a little momentum
when they started to kind of move some of their
stuff to Las Vegas, but it was never going to
work with that TV deal.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
And it sucks.
Speaker 13 (39:19):
It sucks for it sucks for everybody because you look
at the conference, the PAC twelve conference last year, and yeah,
Washington they they want a playoff game and they lost
in the championship.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
But they had a great year.
Speaker 13 (39:32):
I mean, Bo Nicks, Panix, Caleb Williams, I mean whatever
was happening in Colorado, which was interesting.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
I mean the conference was an.
Speaker 13 (39:42):
Absolute joy last year and it was, you know, just
like kind of a sunset.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
That was it.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
And it to pick up the pieces will be interesting.
We'll see what it's like tonight at.
Speaker 13 (39:56):
The PAC two drinks for two, Oh yeah, you think it.
It's just gonna be me and John Canzano staring at
each other.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Probably I was gonna say, what's the how many people
you think will be in attendance? How many media members?
What are we looking at over under like me? Johnny
cans Wilner, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's fine as long as you're there.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
Maybe the voice of the bees.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Fair well, Patros have a good time. I have a
couple of cocktails in our honor.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
And do you guys see Violet Affleck?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Uh? I actually saw that, Yes, I saw that.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (40:38):
It's it's interesting, m Violet Affleck.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
She's calling for what like UV light, Oh, a war
filtered masks and all that, and government facilities or something.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
UV lights, some kind of air filtration and.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Masks mass interesting. I thought it was a movie or
TV show or something.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
It seemed like it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Okay, Uh, I'll keep my comments to myself.
Speaker 13 (41:05):
No, I just I just loved her breathy delivery reminds
me of my of how I try to like pull
it together.
Speaker 10 (41:12):
In the morning.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Here breathy pull out the Violet Affleck real quick before
before I leave.
Speaker 13 (41:20):
I want to hear her breathy deliver. This is gonna
be me talking too, talking about.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Brady and Andy Alos and uh Trent Bray and Jake
Dickard tonight.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, I think we uh you find it the lap
find it smart on Twitter?
Speaker 7 (41:39):
Right violent and give me the speech.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Well, problems, we're up against it. We don't if we're
going to be able to it's coming on next you know,
you know, other stuff going on. We got the BQ
News coming up.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
We got to play.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
They always they always have the news.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
We We've literally left you enough space now where the
BQ News does not impact your hit at all.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
That is true.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
They are making excuses, Petros. I'll say that you can
go longer if you want.
Speaker 13 (42:03):
Right now, I want to play itchy or sticky, Yes,
right now, I can pull it up on my phone
and stick the thing to the mic right now.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
You want me to do it?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I mean, listen, it's up to it's up to lead lead.
We have a do we have an opportunity to do this?
Or are we going to get weed to get in
trouble here?
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Joonas is worried about the radio face.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Hey, I'm a clock guy, like I care about the clock.
You know you're not. That's that's me.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
I can here come violent affleck Are you ready?
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Yeah, We're ready, islet a Flack, Los Angeles resident, first
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Speaker 3 (42:47):
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Leads to long COVID, which is a devastating neurological cardiovascu
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Speaker 4 (43:16):
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Availability of high quality, free tests and treatment. And most importantly,
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Speaker 4 (43:28):
Able to Partici talk it so fast?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
It was breathy. It definitely was breathy. Pet, you don't
sound anything like that.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
That's me to not ye too.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Come on, that was definitely that.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
I mean, does she have like a time limit? Like
I don't get what.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
She's talking to her mother? She was taking deep breaths. What,
of course Lee was at a wedding with Jennifer Garner. Yes,
he was. He was sitting behind me the whole time.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
So instead of finding the sound, you just figured you'd
open your mind.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Do you don't want to ask any questions about Jennifer
Garter at the wedding? What was she like, Lee?
Speaker 7 (44:06):
I heard she's a lovely lady.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
She was very nice. She was very nice. She split
right after the ceremony.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Are fantastic.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
I heard she went up to you when she was
an usher and said, watch on your wallet.
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Speaker 2 (44:43):
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Speaker 7 (44:47):
Laugh.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Good morning everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning LeVar.
Speaker 15 (44:50):
Guys, In case you haven't been watching Wimbledon, you might
have missed the fact that Novak Djokovic beat Holgaroon in
straight sets.
Speaker 6 (44:57):
Ye ly, hey Brady.
Speaker 15 (45:00):
And in the case you did miss that, you might
have missed this awesome postgame rant from Djokovic telling the
crowd to get in line, take a listen.
Speaker 16 (45:08):
And to all those people that have chosen to disrespect
the play player in this case me, have a good night.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Night, good night, very good night.
Speaker 10 (45:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (45:26):
I'm hoping that they were just commenting on RUNA and
that they weren't disrespecting you.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
They were, they were.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
I don't accept it.
Speaker 16 (45:34):
No, no, no, I know they were checking for Rune,
but that's an excuse to also boo.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I listen, I've.
Speaker 16 (45:43):
Been I've been on the tour for more than twenty years,
so trust me, I know all the tricks.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I know how it works.
Speaker 16 (45:49):
It's fine, it's fine, it's okay. I focus on irrespectful
people that have respect that paid the ticket to come and.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Watch the night.
Speaker 16 (45:58):
I love Dennis, I love tennis and appreciate the players
and the effort of the players put in here.
Speaker 7 (46:05):
I played in much more hostile environment. Trust me, you
guys can't touch.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Me, all right. That's when you know you a goat.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
Yeah, that's why you know you are a goat.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Nothing beats a bad guy promo and professional wrestling, and
nothing beats an athlete telling the crowd they suck and
they can't do a damn thing about it.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Good for him, you swing a racket player.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
God, I get it though.
Speaker 7 (46:34):
Damnang bang bang.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
And everybody was talking to food.
Speaker 17 (46:42):
He just like man told him, like listen, and just
so you know, if you guys think you are any
good at this, you're not basically just clown the entire crowd.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Well, good for him. You know you are that. You
are the man by the way, uh leeve, We've got
time from one more.
Speaker 15 (47:00):
Yeah, in case you have been living under a rock.
Haley Welsh, the Haktua Girl, did a promo for the
Hard Rock Guitar Hotel.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Guess what jersey she was wearing.
Speaker 6 (47:11):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Fort Lauderdale, Florida that.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Was hosting her. He's a good host. Does a sound
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