August 1, 2024 • 32 mins
It’s the time of the year to overreact to INT’s in training camp. TheMMQB’s Senior NFL Reporter, Albert Breer talks Camp, Signings, Potential Trades and much more! Plus, a day preview on “You in or Out?”
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
You did great.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
How much cooler the Cobra Kai got when you got older.
You're like, you know what, those guys are so much
better than LaRusso And.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It was still really cool when I was young. I'll
be honest, like I was. I thought Cobra Kai was.
They were, you know, There's no was the part There's
no way should have lost. That was the part of
the movie.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Yeah, one I.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Didn't really understand. I'm like, all right, you guys have
fair tail for how long? And then you're fell for
that move. I mean, I don't know, seemed a little unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
There's like, there's that and then when they went to
Oki Nawa, there's no way. There's no way that dude
gets beat up by the karate kid. LaRusso has been
a he's he was stealing back in those days. He
was he didn't even walk correctly, Like he looked like
(01:28):
a weirdo walking in and he like, he just looked
so frail and.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
So Friday he does.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
All that movie did was make kids think that they
could beat guys like me and q up. It made
the Jonas Knoxes of the world actually believe that if
they took karates they could rise up and win the
girl and the fight all at the same time, after
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getting their ass whipped the entire time, but then at
the end, for some strange reason, now they're able to win.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
That's my take on Karate Kid.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
I actually don't mind that take, but I also do
think Jean Claude Van Damn movies Alson let people to
believe that because that dude always loses at the beginning
of whatever he's doing. It's like the same storyline, very dramatic, losing, losing, losing,
and then he comes back and wins.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It's just so drum van damage, just so dramatic, like
now you can't see and then they start playing.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Then they slow the music.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Down, then he starts kicking people's asses. Like, let me
tell you something, blood Sport is cold classic. It's cold classic.
I mean, I love that movie.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Never seen it.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh man, I'll never be as flexible as John Clad
van domb though, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
That cat was a little flexible as hell.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
He's a vandom to Von down.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
By the way. I love having his package out there.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Package, Yes he does.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Let me do these splits. Good for having.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
How old is John claud van Damn?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
He's gotta be like he's as old as like uh
stallone in them right seventies.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Now he's not in his seventies.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I mean he's got to be right up there with him, bro.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Lee, How old is John Claudeva?
Speaker 7 (03:29):
Pizza? You delivered pizza of Jean Claude Vandamn?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well he was doing yeah, but he.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Was no never.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Never.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
He's sixty three.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
See looks great, still looks because he still looks. Who
looks better Jean Claude van dam or Steven Seagal.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Van Damn.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, although I think Steven Sagal is a little more relatable.
You know, I don't think he's had as much plastic
surgery and he's really just let himself go.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Watching those highlights of him doing I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Is it a kdo like what.
Speaker 9 (04:05):
Is he or the most unrealistic it's almost like television
tell what is that televangelism or something like that, like
where I just look at you, I say.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Jesus and then they fall out, like that's what Steven
doing demonstrations.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
He hits someone like that Ryu like the energy burst,
you know, it's like he just like does this little
hand flip thing and the guys like fly off.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
He can hardly move, Like he can hardly move, uh
and somehow like he's got the ability and the torque
to be able to get somebody to do a flip
by rabble by the caller like none of it made
like you want have you seen some of the judo
at the Olympics, Like those guys are legitimately performing a
martial art like they're they're really segal does it and
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guys are just flying because they I think they feel
guilty if they don't, like they're like okay, well they
get along on it.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
It's choreographed before they get to you know, to the classes.
You know, they got to get paid to his students
have got to get paid to. Just keep that in mind.
So the better it looks, the more you sell it.
The more you sell it, the more you get you
know what I mean, you get more participation. You got
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to go to the Cegall class. I'm telling you, you
don't have to be strong, you just have to be
mentally there and you'll get it done. And people bring
their kids. They want to do self defense, so they're
bringing their wives. They they want to be able to
defend their wives, so they're coming. And the next thing
you know, you got like one hundred students up in
the Cegall class.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Good move.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Gotta sell it, yeah, you have to.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
By the way, speaking of speaking of class, Rock Party,
apparently he's been going to school at training camp because
the reports are he's throwing several interceptions this week here
we go, so of course you know how this works.
He was asked about it on the Papa On the
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The Papa and Lust Show, a Rock Party showed up
at training camp. He was being asked about it because
you know, he threw I guess four interceptions one day,
he threw three the next. You know, there were some
people that were concerned.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
So let it all out of your system. I mean, like,
that's what practice is for.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
It's a fine line. You know, you want to go out,
you want to be efficient, you want to go through
reads and obviously protect the ball and whatnot. But right
now is the time for us to go out. And
you know, you always hear the quarterbacks they experiment, but
that's really what it is. Can I fit it in
this window on this hitch? Can I look off Fred
or Flann or Devandre in a certain way and then
make that throwbackside?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
You got to try it out.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
I mean in the game and in the season, it
comes down to protecting the ball every snap, every play.
So you can't necessarily try those things out right now
we can, and so my mindset right now is, you know,
protect the ball, but let's be aggressive, let's try this out,
let's figure it out. And so obviously I want to
go through my read, check the ball down and work
on that as well, because that's real, that's football. But
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there's times there's a time and a place where I'm like, hey,
you know what, you know, this is practice and I'm
going to drop back and try this out. So and
then you figure out that it could be a part
of your gamer not for the season, loving training camp,
turnover talk.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I love his I love his thought process. I mean,
as a coach, that's what I used to tell my qbs.
Try now, experiment it. Now, go through your reads. Now
you know, be all you can be. Now get that
confidence now, don't don't be playing afraid now you know,
and then get into the games and you know you
don't know what the hell direction you're going in or
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what you want to do. Like I'll defer to you
on this as a quarterback que but I just know this,
if you're going to take risk and you're going to
figure out, do I have the arm strength to fit
it into that window? Do I have the timing to
do it at this moment? If it's going to get
picked off, it's going to get picked off. But it's
a practice. So you watch it on film and you
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learn from it on film. I like, I really like
this response. But I'll I'll take your word at what
you think it is.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Cube.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
No, I think there's there's a couple of different ways
of looking at this. There is definitely a time and
place to try things out. Like I'll never forget training
camp twenty thirteen, go to Seahawks and and you'll know
this var just from you know how boots typically work out.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
So you're faking the run to the left, right, and
you're gonna boot.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Back around to the right. Typically you've got three guys
that you're gonna throw to. There's gonna be a guy
in the flat for you. That's gonna be your quick access.
So let's say you get pressure in your face and
you gotta get the ball out quick.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
You've got someone you can dump down to.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Okay, if not, Usually you're gonna then look downfield. You're
gonna look at that eighteen or twenty yard deep comeback,
keep it to the over route, back to that kind
of late guy out in the flat who should be
on the sidelines, who's kind of your outlet.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
So and then the novice you could run if you
need to.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
On the very back side of the play. Is typically
a deep post. And the reason why it's a deep
post is because you're more often than not getting some
sort of deep player defender that could potentially especially if
it's a post high savy defense, being a safety in
the middle of the field, he could cut that crosser
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because that cross or you're gonna hit a good amount
of the time. So what you want to do is
protect him by having that post route on the backside.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Take that post safety out of there, so you just
have the over route.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
I don't have to worry about some defender, you know,
cutting down on him and trying to jumping that route.
So one of the things that teams like to do
is it's called cut and replace. And so they take
that deep middlefield defender and he drives on that over route,
and then they take the backside corner and he's just
gonna run with that post. Well, as you can imagine,
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if you got a stud out there, he's running that post,
and you got a quarterback who's got the arm, and
you have the time, there's a lot of space for
a one on one deep shot opportunity. And so Russell,
who at that point in Thomas career, was really good
at throwing deep balls, really good at buying time, finding
ways of getting big plays down the field. That was
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something that we worked on and it was so foreign
to me because I'd never had any coach ever, you know,
say hey, take a look at that backside post. It
was typically there just to be able to hold that
safety non seattle Man like they would even they even
set up a throwback off of that. So like in
one instance, you fake to the left, boot background to
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the right, throw deep down the middle of the field,
or he'd run a post corner. So at times there'd
be times where they thought you were trying to catch
them on the shot and you'd he'd he'd go into
the post, go back up the back.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
And Crossan's nasty, but you have.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
To have the quarterback who a is athletic enough or
agile enough to be able to buy time to get
that off because there's going to be someone out there
eventually you got a naked edge or unblocked edge, and
then be the.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Arm strength to do it, because that's a heat.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
You're going all the way left to right, then throwing
back across the field, back across.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Your body back the other way. So you know, there's.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Times like that where you experiment in training camp, and
that's all good, but there's also I would say, from
the offensive perspective of an offensive head coach or a
play caller, they want to see you run the play
that they're calling. They want to see you run up
to perfection. They want to see you run it and
be efficient. They want to see you complete it. They
want to see it look like how they feel like
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it should look like in a game. And so there
comes a point in time where you can only experiment
so much because some of that especially during the course
the season or even as you get into training campus.
If you're a guy competing for a spot, you know
they want to see you run, run the system. And
if you can't prove to do that and you're throwing picks,
it's a different story. I mean, take, for example, this
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brock Purty starter throw his picks. He's out there because
he's experimenting Trey Lance backup in Dallas. He's out there
throwing picks and everyone's freaking out.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Which, by the way, the one pick I saw him
throw that it was picked off by I want to say,
Marquise Bell something like that. He turns us back to
the defense on a play as pass fake where he
turns back around, I can.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Guarantee you he didn't see the.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Defender behind the left tackle in the defensive end, who
are right in his throwing lay. Now, after he releases
the ball, it looks like Marquis bell is standing out
there by himself, but like usually when you have a
pick that looks like that. And this is why I
hate social media because all these idiots go crazy about it,
like look, ow bellies, Oh my gosh, he.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Didn't see you. How could you not see that?
Speaker 10 (12:46):
It's like, dude, yeah, you get a six foot six
tackle and a six foot five dn standing in your
way that you can't see over you're throwing into a
window like it happens.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
It's just crazy to me this time of year we
make this of interceptions. I absolutely hate it. Can't stand it.
It's the stupidest thing in the world. But that's how
bored we are.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, you know what I like. I like breaking news,
breaking news from Fox Sports, Eddy Garcia. What do we got?
Speaker 11 (13:16):
We got an offensive lineman getting paid. The Tampa Bay
Buccaneers signing tackle Tristan Wurfs to a five year extension
worth one hundred and forty point six three million dollars
makes him the highest offensive lineman in NFL history. Deal
includes eighty eight point two four million guarantees.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, saf friend, Yeah, but Trent, well, I'm certain trenton
Trent is getting into Trent.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Let's let's let's be clear on that. You're gonna have
to beat that.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Oh man, good for him? Good for is worth a
right tackle? He's a right tackle, right yeah, yeah, and
so you.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Gotta have two nowadays. Man, So don't matter. He's a
hell of a player. That's a solid deal for a
players going to be there forever.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
If he wants to be nice, well, good for him.
So Tristan wurves it gets paid about it. It is
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Speaker 4 (15:09):
Right now, we turn it over to our guy, Albert Breer,
lead content strategists, seenior NFL recorder at the MMQB in
the midst of his training camp tour.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
AB where are we at? How's it going?
Speaker 13 (15:21):
I'm in Green Bay and uh yeah, I got delayed
a little coming to Milwaukee last night. And anybody's made
that drive from Milwaukee to Green Bay, they know it's
a dark, dark drive. But I was able to keep
my keep myself awake and get here last night.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Oh that's good. Nice.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Wow, We're glad you made it in twenty twenty four.
You know, drive, Yes, survivor, it's gonna be so towful.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Albert.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I'm wondering, uh, in the in your training camp tour,
who's been an under the radar star thus far? Like
somebody who stood out to you? Uh that that maybe
people aren't familiar with.
Speaker 13 (16:00):
I like I would have to, well we think about that.
I think, like I'll give you one from yesterday, rodric Estime.
What's the uh what's the Broncos Brady like that one?
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Uh huh?
Speaker 13 (16:15):
Yeah, so I he said he didn't run a very
good forty in uh and and and at the combine.
But you know, the the Broncos had some analytics on him.
I didn't know this. He had more fifteen plus runs
than anybody else in the draft. He had more yards
that's his contact and anybody in the drafts. He had
a fewer negative plays than anybody in the draft. And
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you know, I I think if you want like a
fantasy alert, right, like the Broncos are going to lean
on their run game because of all the moving pieces
that have a quarterback and you know, so they've got
you know, Javonte Williams, who's coming back healthy and has
lost ten talents moving around pretty good. But Estimate has
been the star camp for them, and so you know,
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I think you're going to see a platoon and I
think is going to have very real role there in
Denver in Arizona. You know, there's gonna be a lot
of attention on Marvin Harrison right rightfully. So the other receiver,
Michael Wilson, you know, I heard him compare data feeling
a lot of guys on that staff have been in
Minnesota and they feel like they've got one, you know.
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And Michael Wilsons second year player, had a promising rookie year,
so that'd be another one. As far as under the
radar guys, you know in San Francisco, you know, their
defensive line is it looks like it's back where it
needs to be after kind of been up and down
last year. Last year, forcing the trade for for Chase
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Young and so you know, we know about Nick Bosa
and Javon Hargrave. You know, Malie Collins could wind up being,
you know, I think a Pro Bowl level player for them.
He comes over to Houston and free it comes over
from Houston and free agency, and they've always done good
in maximizing their d linem and so he'd be in
other one, you know. And then I'll tell you this, guys,
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I think the Rams are going to be really good,
you know, and I think they feel like they really
hit with the two rookies they have on the defensive front.
You know, in Braden Fisk and Jared Vers and then
you know they think they got another one and Blake
Quorum to pair with Kyran Williams there in the backfield.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
So you know, you just.
Speaker 13 (18:20):
Watched the Rams, and the Rams look like they're after
last year being a reset year and eating seventy five
million dollars in dead cap and being able to make
the playoffs, just fight all that. Like, the Rams really
feel like they're on the way back up. And I
would not rule out the Rams making a big move
somewhere between now and the trade deadline. They've got the
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capital to do it again. They've got the cap states
to do it again. Like I could see them getting
off to a hot start and then taking some sort
of big swing in September or October.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
What do they need though, I mean, if you look
at team Okay, I was just thinking, like over achieved
last year.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
They seem like they hit on a lot of their picks.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
Yeah, here's a scenario for you, Brady, Like Patrick Sartan
right is in the fourth year of of of his
career and the Broncs are rebuilding a little bit and
they're in a contract negotiation and but say nothing happens
between now and the opener. I think they get something done,
but that's something nothing. Nothing happens between now and the opener.
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And you know, then you get to September and they're
in a really tough division, right and so like, let's
say they start one and four, if the if it,
let's say, it's gonna be difficult to resign him and
the Rams calling off of you two first round picks
for him, do you take it? You know, I think
that's something to consider, you know, like sure.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
But is that like that big of a need for them.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I know you're bringing the name of the they just
signed Trey White, They've got Darius Williams.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
I mean it's a big need for them. Yeah, they've
got they've got a lot of injuries position, and I
think they've got a lot of complimentary pieces there. But
I don't know they have a real number one.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Like.
Speaker 13 (19:57):
But he can't stay healthy hunh Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
He say based off last.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Year, But I don't know.
Speaker 13 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean I just if there was a place
where they were going to make a move, I'd say
that would be where it would where it would be.
You know, they tried to make the big swing for
Brian Burns a couple of years ago, and you know,
like I could see them adding a piece of the defense,
and I think that would be one way to do it,
would be all right. Like it's sort of like when
they trade for Jil and Ramsey a few years ago.
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It's like, how can we add like a blue chip
player to our roster at a premium position? That would
you know, be an opportunity to do it. And sir
chan is still really really young.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Maybe Stephen Jones said that things are cordial and they're
they're talking and the negotiations with C.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
D Lamb.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Jamar Chase does not have a deal yet either. Is
there a game of chicken going on here? Is because
to me, I think both of these receivers want more
and justin Jefferson, That's what I first think. Secondly, it's
like if there were two receivers that you could say
would actually be that valuable to their team, it's Jamar
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Chase and CD Lamb.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
It's a game of chicken?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Is one are they dragging this out to see what
one does the deal so that the other one, you know,
can come back and do that. Because I'm if I'm
a team, I'm trying to get the deal done as
quickly as possible so that the other one doesn't get
it done because the other one is going to want
more than what the other one got.
Speaker 13 (21:31):
Odefinitely get Brandon Ayuk in that next too, right. So
I think part of the problem here, LeVar is how
drastically the market change. Now everybody knew Jefferson was going
to get done, and we've talked about how, you know,
the Dolphins of Jalen Battle Leaguers with Kante Smith, the
Texans Ethole Collins, and of course Lyons with im and
Ross Saint Brown move fast because they knew the Jefferson
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deal was going to come. So they all get done
right around twenty eight million or a little less, and
then Jefferson comes over the top of five that's a
twenty five percent uptick over where the top of the
market had been. And so, you know, I think with
all of these guys, it's do you top Jefferson? If
you don't top Jefferson, like what how close are you
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to Jefferson? Like where are you at? And that's thirty
five to twenty eight window. That's kind of tough, you know,
And I think that's like I think the distance between
Jefferson and every everyone else has has really complicated this
where it's harder and harder to find that sweet spot.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Now.
Speaker 13 (22:32):
I can say with Chase specifically, he and Jefferson were
talking the whole time, you know, and Chase, like in
the Bengals to tell you this, Chase had no intention
of doing a deal before Jefferson got done because he
was going to try to get more. And I think
Chase is very very much justified now, like with CD
and with Brandon and I you, I don't know that
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quite the players that Jefferson are, but try telling them that,
you know what I mean? Like so like I think
that that's sort of where you're at, and it's like where,
all right, let's just throw our number. We're thirty one
would have been like an excellent offer for either of
those guys at the beginning of the offseason. How do
they look at that now because that's closer to that
twenty eight mark than it is to thirty five. So
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you have the market change, like post justin Jefferson deal,
I think affect all this. You know, of course, Jefferson
was affected by Nick Bosac. Jefferson's you know, Jefferson's position,
and rightfully so was I'm not competing against the other
receivers for contracts. I'm like in the ballpark with every
other non quarterback in the NFL, and he winds up
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getting a million more per year than Nick Bosa got.
You know, I think that's where Michael Parsons is now,
Like what Michael Parsons would want would be a million
more than what Jefferson got, right, I think Chase is
probably the one of those receivers that could justify asking
for that. I think with that, you can, Lamb, it's
probably a little bit more. Where do you fit in
in that twenty eight to thirty five window.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, AB,
what's going on with Matthew judah On and that is
that shape up in New England?
Speaker 13 (24:02):
Yeah, that's a bleep show right now. You know, I
think a part of this was how many contracts the
Patriots gave out over the course of the off season
and how they paid a lot of different guys. And
you know, I think for both Matthew Judon and Devon
Godchaw their defensive tackle who got done yesterday, there was
(24:24):
a couple of them where they sort of looked sideways
and like, huh, how come I haven't been taken care
of yet? And that's the danger and you know, taking
care of a lot of guys all at once, and
you know, doing it like sort of out of order.
You know, as far as who's the best player, who's
the most dependable player and the one that got you know,
those guys attention, jude On and got Chaw was with
(24:44):
Kristen Barmore because you know, he got over twenty million per.
Those guys are making a fraction of it. And you know,
I think Judon and Godchaw would argue we are the
two most dependable, most reliable, best players on the defensive
front over the last few years. So now we're making
like a percentage of what this other guy's making. You know,
(25:05):
nothing against Christian Barmore, but like that's sort of the
way I think those guys looked at it. So, I
Judon's a tricky one because the market has changed so
drastically at his position and he's making his contracts for
fourteen million per that's twenty million per short of what
Nick Bosa got. I'm not saying he's Nick Bosa, but
you know, he's not like less than half of Nick Bosa,
(25:28):
you know, so they don't have to find a way
to work that out. And I would say this too,
like if I'm a team like the Chicago Bears right
that needs you know, another edge rusher, I would I
mean maybe the Ravens, you know, it would be another team.
I would be taking up the phone and calling New
England and asking if there's something that we could work
out where I go and get them.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. You're
in Green Bay. Have you had a chance to talk
with anybody or is there just the excitement over Jordan Love?
There was no well there is no question whether or
not he was going to get this deal done right.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
They were, Oh no, I.
Speaker 13 (26:05):
Mean they've been working out the whole offseason. I think
it was just sort of a matter of how the
thing is structured. You know, like we look at the
big number of the average per year, the ap y
there at what like it's just kind of like that's
how we all judge them, but they're they're so different
and how they're structured and how the guarantees set up,
and you know, like Burrow, if you look at it
(26:26):
have the same number as Trevor Lawrence, but like Lawrence's
structure wasn't nearly what Burrows was, you know what I mean,
the guarantees weren't nearly what Burrows was, So they're all
a little different, you know. I think one thing that's
interesting about where the Packers are and now they've got
a good veteran defense dude, just have to coordinator Jeff
Haffley coming in. I think the excitement here is almost
(26:48):
just bigger than Jordan Love. It's like they've got this
group of young players now on offense that has a
chance to grow up together, you know, and kind of
reminds you of when you know, Aaron Rodgers had some
of those guys are round him, you know, when he
was young, and how they kind of kept fueling that
receiver room from a the very beginning, Joy Nelson, Greg
Jennings to Randall Cobb to DeVante Adams down the line.
(27:12):
You look at what he's got around him, I mean
between D'tavian Wicks and Jaden Reed and you know, and
Christian Watson and Romeo Dobs and Luke Musgrave at tight end,
like got a chance to be a really good offense
over the next few years, and those guys are gonna
have a chance to grow up together now. So so yeah,
I mean I think that the excitement in Green Bay
(27:35):
is that after like a few years of being like,
all right, this is the year, this is the year,
this is the year, they could open a very real,
like five ten year window now where they could win
pretty consistently.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Again, Well, enjoy the Hall of Fame game, Enjoy Wisconsin.
Speaker 13 (27:50):
I can't wait. Fired up to the Hall of Fame court.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Come on, Tyson Bage it meet head of the Year
getting a start for the Bears, Come.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
On the title.
Speaker 13 (27:59):
I honestly like, I will not. I don't follow that
trap anymore. It used to be. I guess I get
really fired up, like yeah, football on TV, and then
like after like three minutes, you remember what it is,
you know. So I don't know, I will. I will
probably be at dinner during the Hall of Fame game,
how about you?
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Wow, goosh, yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I mean, at least have a couple of cocktails, you know,
try and be social, you know.
Speaker 13 (28:24):
Actually know what I well, no, no, no, I thought, no,
I won't be in the air. I actually will be
landed in Detroit for the Yeah, so I will be
on the ground for the Hall of Fame game, so
maybe I will catch it.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
We'll see, all right, Well there he is, Get him
on that.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Stan Albert Breer, Senior NFL Reporter, Lead Content Strategies at
the m MPB. Thanks Ab, We appreciate it.
Speaker 13 (28:43):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
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Speaker 5 (29:37):
What you to know?
Speaker 7 (29:39):
If they're aye please or if they're out all right?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Lead to laugh? What do we got?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Guys?
Speaker 14 (29:44):
If you were looking for some live action right now,
you can find the men's twenty kilometer racewalk in the Olympics.
So you guys in oer out out racewalking?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Geez?
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Is that it called powerwalking?
Speaker 14 (29:54):
I'm seeing it listed as racewalking, but yes, I always
thought of it as powerwalking.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Man. Sounds like something that has to do with colors
and all that stuff people, And you know, I'm like, it.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
Looks like a big group of people that have to
go pooh.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
They're all trying to walk fast to the bathroom, but
be polite about it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So they're going to that body of water that they're
doing with the caflon or triathlon.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
With all those different countries being represented, it really is racewalking, guys.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Also, day, you took it a step further than me,
and it's like I didn't nail it the way that
you just did.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
He took it step further than that day.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
He made it, he made it real and I appreciated that.
Go Aheedly.
Speaker 14 (30:40):
Well, it's day one of track and Field and one
of the things you can find is the hammer throw.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Guys are out on hammer throw.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, I'm all about hammers. It's throw them hammers. Put
them hammers in your hand, squeeze them and throw them.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
All Right, what next week?
Speaker 14 (31:03):
Well, we all know we're in for the Hall of Fame. Well, actually,
I know we're not all in on the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Why wouldn't we be that? You tell me who's in
or out in?
Speaker 14 (31:13):
And yeah, we're in. Okay, we're all in on that. Well,
if you're looking for something else, something, I'm going to
be checking out tonight the Black Girl's Rock Awards Lifetime.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Uh say that you all in on that?
Speaker 14 (31:28):
I'm gonna check it out. It's the first time they've
been back in five years. Black Girls Rock Awards Uh
celebrates black girl magic and the influence and achievements of
black women around the world.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, I mean, do we have a Do we have
any choice here?
Speaker 5 (31:42):
I don't have a choice but to say I'll do it.
I'm in.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
I don't even know how to What is this league
of all the things?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
You found?
Speaker 14 (31:53):
Black Girl's Rock Awards, It's just ridiculous. Celebrates the achievements
and influence of black women shape in our world. It's
it's gonna be a good, unforgettable celebration.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I'm I'm in at Lee's c K is so soft.
You can tell he has such an affinity for black women.
Like it's amazing because more often than not, people will
say black. You know, like that that c K gets
kind of caught in that blacker.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
It.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
You know, this is black
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You did great.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
How much cooler the Cobra Kai got when you got older.
You're like, you know what, those guys are so much
better than LaRusso And.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It was still really cool when I was young. I'll
be honest, like I was. I thought Cobra Kai was.
They were, you know, There's no was the part There's
no way should have lost. That was the part of
the movie.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Yeah, one I.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Didn't really understand. I'm like, all right, you guys have
fair tail for how long? And then you're fell for
that move. I mean, I don't know, seemed a little unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
There's like, there's that and then when they went to
Oki Nawa, there's no way. There's no way that dude
gets beat up by the karate kid. LaRusso has been
a he's he was stealing back in those days. He
was he didn't even walk correctly, Like he looked like
(01:28):
a weirdo walking in and he like, he just looked
so frail and.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
So Friday he does.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
All that movie did was make kids think that they
could beat guys like me and q up. It made
the Jonas Knoxes of the world actually believe that if
they took karates they could rise up and win the
girl and the fight all at the same time, after
(01:56):
getting their ass whipped the entire time, but then at
the end, for some strange reason, now they're able to win.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
That's my take on Karate Kid.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
I actually don't mind that take, but I also do
think Jean Claude Van Damn movies Alson let people to
believe that because that dude always loses at the beginning
of whatever he's doing. It's like the same storyline, very dramatic, losing, losing, losing,
and then he comes back and wins.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It's just so drum van damage, just so dramatic, like
now you can't see and then they start playing.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Then they slow the music.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Down, then he starts kicking people's asses. Like, let me
tell you something, blood Sport is cold classic. It's cold classic.
I mean, I love that movie.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Never seen it.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh man, I'll never be as flexible as John Clad
van domb though, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
That cat was a little flexible as hell.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
He's a vandom to Von down.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
By the way. I love having his package out there.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Package, Yes he does.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Let me do these splits. Good for having.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
How old is John claud van Damn?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
He's gotta be like he's as old as like uh
stallone in them right seventies.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Now he's not in his seventies.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I mean he's got to be right up there with him, bro.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Lee, How old is John Claudeva?
Speaker 7 (03:29):
Pizza? You delivered pizza of Jean Claude Vandamn?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well he was doing yeah, but he.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Was no never.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Never.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
He's sixty three.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
See looks great, still looks because he still looks. Who
looks better Jean Claude van dam or Steven Seagal.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Van Damn.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, although I think Steven Sagal is a little more relatable.
You know, I don't think he's had as much plastic
surgery and he's really just let himself go.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Watching those highlights of him doing I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Is it a kdo like what.
Speaker 9 (04:05):
Is he or the most unrealistic it's almost like television
tell what is that televangelism or something like that, like
where I just look at you, I say.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Jesus and then they fall out, like that's what Steven
doing demonstrations.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
He hits someone like that Ryu like the energy burst,
you know, it's like he just like does this little
hand flip thing and the guys like fly off.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
He can hardly move, Like he can hardly move, uh
and somehow like he's got the ability and the torque
to be able to get somebody to do a flip
by rabble by the caller like none of it made
like you want have you seen some of the judo
at the Olympics, Like those guys are legitimately performing a
martial art like they're they're really segal does it and
(04:49):
guys are just flying because they I think they feel
guilty if they don't, like they're like okay, well they
get along on it.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
It's choreographed before they get to you know, to the classes.
You know, they got to get paid to his students
have got to get paid to. Just keep that in mind.
So the better it looks, the more you sell it.
The more you sell it, the more you get you
know what I mean, you get more participation. You got
(05:15):
to go to the Cegall class. I'm telling you, you
don't have to be strong, you just have to be
mentally there and you'll get it done. And people bring
their kids. They want to do self defense, so they're
bringing their wives. They they want to be able to
defend their wives, so they're coming. And the next thing
you know, you got like one hundred students up in
the Cegall class.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Good move.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Gotta sell it, yeah, you have to.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
By the way, speaking of speaking of class, Rock Party,
apparently he's been going to school at training camp because
the reports are he's throwing several interceptions this week here
we go, so of course you know how this works.
He was asked about it on the Papa On the
(06:00):
The Papa and Lust Show, a Rock Party showed up
at training camp. He was being asked about it because
you know, he threw I guess four interceptions one day,
he threw three the next. You know, there were some
people that were concerned.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
So let it all out of your system. I mean, like,
that's what practice is for.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
It's a fine line. You know, you want to go out,
you want to be efficient, you want to go through
reads and obviously protect the ball and whatnot. But right
now is the time for us to go out. And
you know, you always hear the quarterbacks they experiment, but
that's really what it is. Can I fit it in
this window on this hitch? Can I look off Fred
or Flann or Devandre in a certain way and then
make that throwbackside?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
You got to try it out.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
I mean in the game and in the season, it
comes down to protecting the ball every snap, every play.
So you can't necessarily try those things out right now
we can, and so my mindset right now is, you know,
protect the ball, but let's be aggressive, let's try this out,
let's figure it out. And so obviously I want to
go through my read, check the ball down and work
on that as well, because that's real, that's football. But
(06:59):
there's times there's a time and a place where I'm like, hey,
you know what, you know, this is practice and I'm
going to drop back and try this out. So and
then you figure out that it could be a part
of your gamer not for the season, loving training camp,
turnover talk.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I love his I love his thought process. I mean,
as a coach, that's what I used to tell my qbs.
Try now, experiment it. Now, go through your reads. Now
you know, be all you can be. Now get that
confidence now, don't don't be playing afraid now you know,
and then get into the games and you know you
don't know what the hell direction you're going in or
(07:34):
what you want to do. Like I'll defer to you
on this as a quarterback que but I just know this,
if you're going to take risk and you're going to
figure out, do I have the arm strength to fit
it into that window? Do I have the timing to
do it at this moment? If it's going to get
picked off, it's going to get picked off. But it's
a practice. So you watch it on film and you
(07:58):
learn from it on film. I like, I really like
this response. But I'll I'll take your word at what
you think it is.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Cube.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
No, I think there's there's a couple of different ways
of looking at this. There is definitely a time and
place to try things out. Like I'll never forget training
camp twenty thirteen, go to Seahawks and and you'll know
this var just from you know how boots typically work out.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
So you're faking the run to the left, right, and
you're gonna boot.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Back around to the right. Typically you've got three guys
that you're gonna throw to. There's gonna be a guy
in the flat for you. That's gonna be your quick access.
So let's say you get pressure in your face and
you gotta get the ball out quick.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
You've got someone you can dump down to.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Okay, if not, Usually you're gonna then look downfield. You're
gonna look at that eighteen or twenty yard deep comeback,
keep it to the over route, back to that kind
of late guy out in the flat who should be
on the sidelines, who's kind of your outlet.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
So and then the novice you could run if you
need to.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
On the very back side of the play. Is typically
a deep post. And the reason why it's a deep
post is because you're more often than not getting some
sort of deep player defender that could potentially especially if
it's a post high savy defense, being a safety in
the middle of the field, he could cut that crosser
(09:20):
because that cross or you're gonna hit a good amount
of the time. So what you want to do is
protect him by having that post route on the backside.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Take that post safety out of there, so you just
have the over route.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
I don't have to worry about some defender, you know,
cutting down on him and trying to jumping that route.
So one of the things that teams like to do
is it's called cut and replace. And so they take
that deep middlefield defender and he drives on that over route,
and then they take the backside corner and he's just
gonna run with that post. Well, as you can imagine,
(09:53):
if you got a stud out there, he's running that post,
and you got a quarterback who's got the arm, and
you have the time, there's a lot of space for
a one on one deep shot opportunity. And so Russell,
who at that point in Thomas career, was really good
at throwing deep balls, really good at buying time, finding
ways of getting big plays down the field. That was
(10:14):
something that we worked on and it was so foreign
to me because I'd never had any coach ever, you know,
say hey, take a look at that backside post. It
was typically there just to be able to hold that
safety non seattle Man like they would even they even
set up a throwback off of that. So like in
one instance, you fake to the left, boot background to
(10:36):
the right, throw deep down the middle of the field,
or he'd run a post corner. So at times there'd
be times where they thought you were trying to catch
them on the shot and you'd he'd he'd go into
the post, go back up the back.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
And Crossan's nasty, but you have.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
To have the quarterback who a is athletic enough or
agile enough to be able to buy time to get
that off because there's going to be someone out there
eventually you got a naked edge or unblocked edge, and
then be the.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Arm strength to do it, because that's a heat.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
You're going all the way left to right, then throwing
back across the field, back across.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Your body back the other way. So you know, there's.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Times like that where you experiment in training camp, and
that's all good, but there's also I would say, from
the offensive perspective of an offensive head coach or a
play caller, they want to see you run the play
that they're calling. They want to see you run up
to perfection. They want to see you run it and
be efficient. They want to see you complete it. They
want to see it look like how they feel like
(11:36):
it should look like in a game. And so there
comes a point in time where you can only experiment
so much because some of that especially during the course
the season or even as you get into training campus.
If you're a guy competing for a spot, you know
they want to see you run, run the system. And
if you can't prove to do that and you're throwing picks,
it's a different story. I mean, take, for example, this
(11:58):
brock Purty starter throw his picks. He's out there because
he's experimenting Trey Lance backup in Dallas. He's out there
throwing picks and everyone's freaking out.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Which, by the way, the one pick I saw him
throw that it was picked off by I want to say,
Marquise Bell something like that. He turns us back to
the defense on a play as pass fake where he
turns back around, I can.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Guarantee you he didn't see the.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Defender behind the left tackle in the defensive end, who
are right in his throwing lay. Now, after he releases
the ball, it looks like Marquis bell is standing out
there by himself, but like usually when you have a
pick that looks like that. And this is why I
hate social media because all these idiots go crazy about it,
like look, ow bellies, Oh my gosh, he.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Didn't see you. How could you not see that?
Speaker 10 (12:46):
It's like, dude, yeah, you get a six foot six
tackle and a six foot five dn standing in your
way that you can't see over you're throwing into a
window like it happens.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
It's just crazy to me this time of year we
make this of interceptions. I absolutely hate it. Can't stand it.
It's the stupidest thing in the world. But that's how
bored we are.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, you know what I like. I like breaking news,
breaking news from Fox Sports, Eddy Garcia. What do we got?
Speaker 11 (13:16):
We got an offensive lineman getting paid. The Tampa Bay
Buccaneers signing tackle Tristan Wurfs to a five year extension
worth one hundred and forty point six three million dollars
makes him the highest offensive lineman in NFL history. Deal
includes eighty eight point two four million guarantees.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, saf friend, Yeah, but Trent, well, I'm certain trenton
Trent is getting into Trent.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Let's let's let's be clear on that. You're gonna have
to beat that.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Oh man, good for him? Good for is worth a
right tackle? He's a right tackle, right yeah, yeah, and
so you.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Gotta have two nowadays. Man, So don't matter. He's a
hell of a player. That's a solid deal for a
players going to be there forever.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
If he wants to be nice, well, good for him.
So Tristan wurves it gets paid about it. It is
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Speaker 4 (15:09):
Right now, we turn it over to our guy, Albert Breer,
lead content strategists, seenior NFL recorder at the MMQB in
the midst of his training camp tour.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
AB where are we at? How's it going?
Speaker 13 (15:21):
I'm in Green Bay and uh yeah, I got delayed
a little coming to Milwaukee last night. And anybody's made
that drive from Milwaukee to Green Bay, they know it's
a dark, dark drive. But I was able to keep
my keep myself awake and get here last night.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Oh that's good. Nice.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Wow, We're glad you made it in twenty twenty four.
You know, drive, Yes, survivor, it's gonna be so towful.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Albert.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I'm wondering, uh, in the in your training camp tour,
who's been an under the radar star thus far? Like
somebody who stood out to you? Uh that that maybe
people aren't familiar with.
Speaker 13 (16:00):
I like I would have to, well we think about that.
I think, like I'll give you one from yesterday, rodric Estime.
What's the uh what's the Broncos Brady like that one?
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Uh huh?
Speaker 13 (16:15):
Yeah, so I he said he didn't run a very
good forty in uh and and and at the combine.
But you know, the the Broncos had some analytics on him.
I didn't know this. He had more fifteen plus runs
than anybody else in the draft. He had more yards
that's his contact and anybody in the drafts. He had
a fewer negative plays than anybody in the draft. And
(16:36):
you know, I I think if you want like a
fantasy alert, right, like the Broncos are going to lean
on their run game because of all the moving pieces
that have a quarterback and you know, so they've got
you know, Javonte Williams, who's coming back healthy and has
lost ten talents moving around pretty good. But Estimate has
been the star camp for them, and so you know,
(16:57):
I think you're going to see a platoon and I
think is going to have very real role there in
Denver in Arizona. You know, there's gonna be a lot
of attention on Marvin Harrison right rightfully. So the other receiver,
Michael Wilson, you know, I heard him compare data feeling
a lot of guys on that staff have been in
Minnesota and they feel like they've got one, you know.
(17:18):
And Michael Wilsons second year player, had a promising rookie year,
so that'd be another one. As far as under the
radar guys, you know in San Francisco, you know, their
defensive line is it looks like it's back where it
needs to be after kind of been up and down
last year. Last year, forcing the trade for for Chase
(17:40):
Young and so you know, we know about Nick Bosa
and Javon Hargrave. You know, Malie Collins could wind up being,
you know, I think a Pro Bowl level player for them.
He comes over to Houston and free it comes over
from Houston and free agency, and they've always done good
in maximizing their d linem and so he'd be in
other one, you know. And then I'll tell you this, guys,
(18:02):
I think the Rams are going to be really good,
you know, and I think they feel like they really
hit with the two rookies they have on the defensive front.
You know, in Braden Fisk and Jared Vers and then
you know they think they got another one and Blake
Quorum to pair with Kyran Williams there in the backfield.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
So you know, you just.
Speaker 13 (18:20):
Watched the Rams, and the Rams look like they're after
last year being a reset year and eating seventy five
million dollars in dead cap and being able to make
the playoffs, just fight all that. Like, the Rams really
feel like they're on the way back up. And I
would not rule out the Rams making a big move
somewhere between now and the trade deadline. They've got the
(18:41):
capital to do it again. They've got the cap states
to do it again. Like I could see them getting
off to a hot start and then taking some sort
of big swing in September or October.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
What do they need though, I mean, if you look
at team Okay, I was just thinking, like over achieved
last year.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
They seem like they hit on a lot of their picks.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
Yeah, here's a scenario for you, Brady, Like Patrick Sartan
right is in the fourth year of of of his
career and the Broncs are rebuilding a little bit and
they're in a contract negotiation and but say nothing happens
between now and the opener. I think they get something done,
but that's something nothing. Nothing happens between now and the opener.
(19:21):
And you know, then you get to September and they're
in a really tough division, right and so like, let's
say they start one and four, if the if it,
let's say, it's gonna be difficult to resign him and
the Rams calling off of you two first round picks
for him, do you take it? You know, I think
that's something to consider, you know, like sure.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
But is that like that big of a need for them.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I know you're bringing the name of the they just
signed Trey White, They've got Darius Williams.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
I mean it's a big need for them. Yeah, they've
got they've got a lot of injuries position, and I
think they've got a lot of complimentary pieces there. But
I don't know they have a real number one.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Like.
Speaker 13 (19:57):
But he can't stay healthy hunh Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
He say based off last.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Year, But I don't know.
Speaker 13 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean I just if there was a place
where they were going to make a move, I'd say
that would be where it would where it would be.
You know, they tried to make the big swing for
Brian Burns a couple of years ago, and you know,
like I could see them adding a piece of the defense,
and I think that would be one way to do it,
would be all right. Like it's sort of like when
they trade for Jil and Ramsey a few years ago.
(20:25):
It's like, how can we add like a blue chip
player to our roster at a premium position? That would
you know, be an opportunity to do it. And sir
chan is still really really young.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Maybe Stephen Jones said that things are cordial and they're
they're talking and the negotiations with C.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
D Lamb.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Jamar Chase does not have a deal yet either. Is
there a game of chicken going on here? Is because
to me, I think both of these receivers want more
and justin Jefferson, That's what I first think. Secondly, it's
like if there were two receivers that you could say
would actually be that valuable to their team, it's Jamar
(21:10):
Chase and CD Lamb.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
It's a game of chicken?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Is one are they dragging this out to see what
one does the deal so that the other one, you know,
can come back and do that. Because I'm if I'm
a team, I'm trying to get the deal done as
quickly as possible so that the other one doesn't get
it done because the other one is going to want
more than what the other one got.
Speaker 13 (21:31):
Odefinitely get Brandon Ayuk in that next too, right. So
I think part of the problem here, LeVar is how
drastically the market change. Now everybody knew Jefferson was going
to get done, and we've talked about how, you know,
the Dolphins of Jalen Battle Leaguers with Kante Smith, the
Texans Ethole Collins, and of course Lyons with im and
Ross Saint Brown move fast because they knew the Jefferson
(21:52):
deal was going to come. So they all get done
right around twenty eight million or a little less, and
then Jefferson comes over the top of five that's a
twenty five percent uptick over where the top of the
market had been. And so, you know, I think with
all of these guys, it's do you top Jefferson? If
you don't top Jefferson, like what how close are you
(22:15):
to Jefferson? Like where are you at? And that's thirty
five to twenty eight window. That's kind of tough, you know,
And I think that's like I think the distance between
Jefferson and every everyone else has has really complicated this
where it's harder and harder to find that sweet spot.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Now.
Speaker 13 (22:32):
I can say with Chase specifically, he and Jefferson were
talking the whole time, you know, and Chase, like in
the Bengals to tell you this, Chase had no intention
of doing a deal before Jefferson got done because he
was going to try to get more. And I think
Chase is very very much justified now, like with CD
and with Brandon and I you, I don't know that
(22:53):
quite the players that Jefferson are, but try telling them that,
you know what I mean? Like so like I think
that that's sort of where you're at, and it's like where,
all right, let's just throw our number. We're thirty one
would have been like an excellent offer for either of
those guys at the beginning of the offseason. How do
they look at that now because that's closer to that
twenty eight mark than it is to thirty five. So
(23:15):
you have the market change, like post justin Jefferson deal,
I think affect all this. You know, of course, Jefferson
was affected by Nick Bosac. Jefferson's you know, Jefferson's position,
and rightfully so was I'm not competing against the other
receivers for contracts. I'm like in the ballpark with every
other non quarterback in the NFL, and he winds up
(23:36):
getting a million more per year than Nick Bosa got.
You know, I think that's where Michael Parsons is now,
Like what Michael Parsons would want would be a million
more than what Jefferson got, right, I think Chase is
probably the one of those receivers that could justify asking
for that. I think with that, you can, Lamb, it's
probably a little bit more. Where do you fit in
in that twenty eight to thirty five window.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, AB,
what's going on with Matthew judah On and that is
that shape up in New England?
Speaker 13 (24:02):
Yeah, that's a bleep show right now. You know, I
think a part of this was how many contracts the
Patriots gave out over the course of the off season
and how they paid a lot of different guys. And
you know, I think for both Matthew Judon and Devon
Godchaw their defensive tackle who got done yesterday, there was
(24:24):
a couple of them where they sort of looked sideways
and like, huh, how come I haven't been taken care
of yet? And that's the danger and you know, taking
care of a lot of guys all at once, and
you know, doing it like sort of out of order.
You know, as far as who's the best player, who's
the most dependable player and the one that got you know,
those guys attention, jude On and got Chaw was with
(24:44):
Kristen Barmore because you know, he got over twenty million per.
Those guys are making a fraction of it. And you know,
I think Judon and Godchaw would argue we are the
two most dependable, most reliable, best players on the defensive
front over the last few years. So now we're making
like a percentage of what this other guy's making. You know,
(25:05):
nothing against Christian Barmore, but like that's sort of the
way I think those guys looked at it. So, I
Judon's a tricky one because the market has changed so
drastically at his position and he's making his contracts for
fourteen million per that's twenty million per short of what
Nick Bosa got. I'm not saying he's Nick Bosa, but
you know, he's not like less than half of Nick Bosa,
(25:28):
you know, so they don't have to find a way
to work that out. And I would say this too,
like if I'm a team like the Chicago Bears right
that needs you know, another edge rusher, I would I
mean maybe the Ravens, you know, it would be another team.
I would be taking up the phone and calling New
England and asking if there's something that we could work
out where I go and get them.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. You're
in Green Bay. Have you had a chance to talk
with anybody or is there just the excitement over Jordan Love?
There was no well there is no question whether or
not he was going to get this deal done right.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
They were, Oh no, I.
Speaker 13 (26:05):
Mean they've been working out the whole offseason. I think
it was just sort of a matter of how the
thing is structured. You know, like we look at the
big number of the average per year, the ap y
there at what like it's just kind of like that's
how we all judge them, but they're they're so different
and how they're structured and how the guarantees set up,
and you know, like Burrow, if you look at it
(26:26):
have the same number as Trevor Lawrence, but like Lawrence's
structure wasn't nearly what Burrows was, you know what I mean,
the guarantees weren't nearly what Burrows was, So they're all
a little different, you know. I think one thing that's
interesting about where the Packers are and now they've got
a good veteran defense dude, just have to coordinator Jeff
Haffley coming in. I think the excitement here is almost
(26:48):
just bigger than Jordan Love. It's like they've got this
group of young players now on offense that has a
chance to grow up together, you know, and kind of
reminds you of when you know, Aaron Rodgers had some
of those guys are round him, you know, when he
was young, and how they kind of kept fueling that
receiver room from a the very beginning, Joy Nelson, Greg
Jennings to Randall Cobb to DeVante Adams down the line.
(27:12):
You look at what he's got around him, I mean
between D'tavian Wicks and Jaden Reed and you know, and
Christian Watson and Romeo Dobs and Luke Musgrave at tight end,
like got a chance to be a really good offense
over the next few years, and those guys are gonna
have a chance to grow up together now. So so yeah,
I mean I think that the excitement in Green Bay
(27:35):
is that after like a few years of being like,
all right, this is the year, this is the year,
this is the year, they could open a very real,
like five ten year window now where they could win
pretty consistently.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Again, Well, enjoy the Hall of Fame game, Enjoy Wisconsin.
Speaker 13 (27:50):
I can't wait. Fired up to the Hall of Fame court.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Come on, Tyson Bage it meet head of the Year
getting a start for the Bears, Come.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
On the title.
Speaker 13 (27:59):
I honestly like, I will not. I don't follow that
trap anymore. It used to be. I guess I get
really fired up, like yeah, football on TV, and then
like after like three minutes, you remember what it is,
you know. So I don't know, I will. I will
probably be at dinner during the Hall of Fame game,
how about you?
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Wow, goosh, yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I mean, at least have a couple of cocktails, you know,
try and be social, you know.
Speaker 13 (28:24):
Actually know what I well, no, no, no, I thought, no,
I won't be in the air. I actually will be
landed in Detroit for the Yeah, so I will be
on the ground for the Hall of Fame game, so
maybe I will catch it.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
We'll see, all right, Well there he is, Get him
on that.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Stan Albert Breer, Senior NFL Reporter, Lead Content Strategies at
the m MPB. Thanks Ab, We appreciate it.
Speaker 13 (28:43):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
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Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, we are going to
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Speaker 2 (28:52):
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Speaker 4 (29:04):
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Speaker 2 (29:33):
This is really two pros and a cup of show.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
What you to know?
Speaker 7 (29:39):
If they're aye please or if they're out all right?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Lead to laugh? What do we got?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Guys?
Speaker 14 (29:44):
If you were looking for some live action right now,
you can find the men's twenty kilometer racewalk in the Olympics.
So you guys in oer out out racewalking?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Geez?
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Is that it called powerwalking?
Speaker 14 (29:54):
I'm seeing it listed as racewalking, but yes, I always
thought of it as powerwalking.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Man. Sounds like something that has to do with colors
and all that stuff people, And you know, I'm like, it.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
Looks like a big group of people that have to
go pooh.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
They're all trying to walk fast to the bathroom, but
be polite about it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So they're going to that body of water that they're
doing with the caflon or triathlon.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
With all those different countries being represented, it really is racewalking, guys.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Also, day, you took it a step further than me,
and it's like I didn't nail it the way that
you just did.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
He took it step further than that day.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
He made it, he made it real and I appreciated that.
Go Aheedly.
Speaker 14 (30:40):
Well, it's day one of track and Field and one
of the things you can find is the hammer throw.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Guys are out on hammer throw.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, I'm all about hammers. It's throw them hammers. Put
them hammers in your hand, squeeze them and throw them.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
All Right, what next week?
Speaker 14 (31:03):
Well, we all know we're in for the Hall of Fame. Well, actually,
I know we're not all in on the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Why wouldn't we be that? You tell me who's in
or out in?
Speaker 14 (31:13):
And yeah, we're in. Okay, we're all in on that. Well,
if you're looking for something else, something, I'm going to
be checking out tonight the Black Girl's Rock Awards Lifetime.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Uh say that you all in on that?
Speaker 14 (31:28):
I'm gonna check it out. It's the first time they've
been back in five years. Black Girls Rock Awards Uh
celebrates black girl magic and the influence and achievements of
black women around the world.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, I mean, do we have a Do we have
any choice here?
Speaker 5 (31:42):
I don't have a choice but to say I'll do it.
I'm in.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
I don't even know how to What is this league
of all the things?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
You found?
Speaker 14 (31:53):
Black Girl's Rock Awards, It's just ridiculous. Celebrates the achievements
and influence of black women shape in our world. It's
it's gonna be a good, unforgettable celebration.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I'm I'm in at Lee's c K is so soft.
You can tell he has such an affinity for black women.
Like it's amazing because more often than not, people will
say black. You know, like that that c K gets
kind of caught in that blacker.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
It.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
You know, this is black
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