August 6, 2024 • 45 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, The Niners have trade framework done for sending Brandon Aiyuk to Cleveland or New England. Jim Harbaugh denies allegations of wrong doing in the Michigan sign stealing scandal. And The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys to talk about the dog days of training camp.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
We've been an update for a player that has been
in the news for a while, and it's not for
anything bad. Obviously, he's played well enough where deserves a
contract extension. However, Brandon Ayu for the San Francisco forty
nine Ers has not been able to come up are
you has not been able to come to that agreement
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with the forty nine Ers, and now it seems more
likely than not he will be traded to one of
a few interested parties. We're gonna go to lead to
lab now for some uh, I guess an update on
this particular story, Lee, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's right, Brady and LeVar.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
As of late last night, the forty nine Ers have
agreed on the frameworks for a deal with both the
Browns and the Patriots. For Brandon Ayuk, it's now in
his hands to work out a long term contract and
agree with terms with these teams. But the other teams
that were in contention were the Commanders, who have officially
removed themselves from trade talks and the Steelers, who have
not met what the forty nine ers are looking for
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in a trade talk. Many Beat reporters have reported that
the deal would likely also need to be involved with
another veteran wide receiver in a swap.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Huh, How the hell do the Browns have all this
money to we keep paying these deals?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's a great question. Mary K.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Cabot says they could get under if they involve Amari
Cooper in the deal.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Oh what does that mean? I get rid of them?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, you get rid of them. It would be.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Oh, that's not gonna work. Come on now. I was
just gonna say, if you're adding.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Brand and Ayyuk with Amari Cooper to go with Jerry
Judy they traded for to go with Elijah Moore, who's
there their draft pick. I'm telling you, man, Jamary thrashed.
That kid can play. He's gonna be fun to watch.
And Ceta Tilb and David Joku.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I mean, I mean, just throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
One of your guys is there somewhere, Like I'm simplifying it,
but damn. But if you're giving up Cooper, that's different
because I love Amar Cooper. I think he's one of
the more underrated wide receivers.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
In the NFL, man, I would not do they have
a hard time staying healthy for an entire season though.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, I just I guess.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
I just wonder if you were to do that, is
the full time Ayyuk better than the amount of time
you have with Amari Cooper.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I mean, Caper's got over one thousand yards four of
the last five seasons. It's gonna bet he's been healthy
for I think two of those or three of those.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I mean, do you see Ayyuk as a tremendous upgrade?
I mean, he's younger, right, isn't that you younger than
much Youngerhics rookie deal, So you gotta believe that maybe
you're getting the type of player you want to have
and you're getting some longevity. I mean, it's I feel
like it's a win now or go home scenario for
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for the Cleveland Browns. At some point they're going to
have to make some hard decisions on some of these
players just based upon some of the obvious obvious deals
going on there. I would assume I could be wrong,
but I mean, are they in win now mode? And
if they are in win now mode, does that mean okay,
we swap out a Marii Cooper to bring in Brandon Nayuk,
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and that may be the type of player they feel
puts them over the top with having the return of
miss oh my gosh, of Randy, of Deshaun Deshaun, Deshaun Watson.
I mean, maybe that's what it's.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Cooper made the Pro Bowl last year, and he didn't
have more yards, more receptions, and more touchdowns than brendan Ayuk.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Brendan Ayuk has not made the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
That's a Plexico Burrus debate. Plexico Burst was like one
of the most productive receivers in the league for like
two three years something like that, at least two and
never made never made a Pro Bowl. And a lot
of people say it was because he wasn't a He
wasn't a player friendly dude like other players did like him,
so they.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Vote for him. I like him, and I really don't,
but I like him. Yeah, he's cool, dude.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah, bumping to him south better every once in a while.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Oh yeah, you will will, that's right, And you'll bump
into him on Saturdays otherwise too, you know what I mean,
Jump on up on the game. We'll start getting you
on there a little more. If you're available.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, but yeah, man, I mean I don't I don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Sometimes you look at why guys make the Pro Bowl
and why other guys don't. Sometimes they get the benefit
of doubt because of their familiarity with with people, and
maybe that's what it is. I don't know, but I
just still find this I you exchange for MARII Cooper
to be it's a pretty here's my thing. If I'm
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the forty nine ers, why would I have.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Waited this long to do it?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Like?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Did you feel like he was going to, you know,
change his mind? Like take a different angle? Like now
you see some of the contracts that have been awarded
to guys that.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Maybe you could debate if they're better.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Than Ayuk or not, and they got paid, And now
you realize that the market is the market and you're not.
You're definitely you weren't going to pay what he wanted
in the beginning, and you certainly aren't going to pay
I'm sure his number changed.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I bet you, Brandon Aiyuk's.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Original number changed once some of these guys got their contracts.
So I mean, is that, like, what do you think
is the reason why now is the time you go ahead?
And let Brandon Ayuk go in a trade.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I think there's three reasons for it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
To your point, the forty nine Ers most likely were
never going to, within their cap structure say we're going
to devote x amount of dollars to the wide receiver
position or even Brandon Ayu. So at that point they
look at it and probably say, all right, we're not
going to come to an agreement on a long term
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deal anyway, so let's let's see if we can, you know,
let this thing play out. Maybe there's some trade offers,
maybe we can convince his agent to come down on
a number. Now, obviously, as you pointed out, as contracts
have continually been signed, it's looked less and less likely
that Ayuk was going to want to take a discount,
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So they've stood strong with where they're at and trying
to maximize.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
His ability to go somewhere else and get the most money.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think that played a role that the probably divide
between what a Yuk and his team feel like he's
worth or should be making in the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I think the next thing was a really good draft
class of wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The draft class of wide receivers that brings in cheaper labor,
makes it harder for the forty nine Ers and I
Uke's team to file those destinations where there might be
in need.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
So, you know, for example, we're talking about the Browns.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Being one of the teams that would look at, you know,
being involved in this trade, however, would be a swap
in order to get Amari Cooper, and the trade off
there is all right, the forty nine Ers get back
to having another guy they feel really good about the outside.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
He's just up there in age, but you know, that player.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Fits what they're looking for at least in return to
common say what they missed out on the average annual
value of the contract. I want to say somewhere around
twenty million or something. I mean, Amari Cooper's numbers for
this year are really really reasonable. I mean it's only
about an eight million, eight point four million dollar cap hit.
So if you're really looking at it from the forty
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nine ers standpoint, they lose the right receiver, but they
bring in a Pro Bowl caliber wide receiver who's you know,
a very very cheap and that works. Hey, you know
what's those are the situations they're looking for.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Mentioned New England one time in the discussion, we kept
it on well the entire time, Okay, all right, because
I know we up again, But I thought it was
kind of funny that we just say, let's stay with
Amark Cooper and let's stay with let's stay with Cleveland,
because I mean, what who who's throwing the ball to him.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
In New England? Is it?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Is it going to be your guy, Milton or is
it going to be you know, my guy, you know,
Drake May You know what I mean, you saw what
I did.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Someone says it's Lee's Lee and my.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Guy, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But but then that's a wide receiver group that I
think after the draft and after you know, they kind
of went through OT's minicamp, some of these teams like
we say, hey, we still feel like we need something.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
You know that the.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Steelers I think were one of the teams who were
rumored to be in there. I want to say Washington
Commandos tour in there as well. So you've got to
you got a number of teams who probably evaluated the
roster and said we could use his services. Can we
work out a deal structure that works for you know,
all those parties, And that's where they're at now and
you're up against the cusp of really playing mediful games.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
That's kind of that deadline. But that's at least I
look at it.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Son, he change their fortunes, could Brand and I you'd
be a player with the drafting one of those quarterbacks
being whatever it is they end up being for them
at the starting position. Does a brand and I you
change the fortunes of the trajectory of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think that he helps, right, and whether it's Drake May,
Joe Milton, whoever, he helps, But.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like Dad roster, I mean, here's the hard thing about
a roster that's like that, because you've got some defensive
players who are going to miss time and then they
got some holes in their roster, clearly as Elliot Wolf
and Draw Meal trying to build this thing back up.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I don't know there's like one player that's gonna help them.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You know, get over the hump or compete in the
ANFC East the way they'd like to.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
You know, I think there are a number of players away.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So what's interesting is like, whoever you agreed to allow
long term deal, you're paying a bunch of money to it.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Better makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean, you at least have this window of potential
rookie quarterbacks on your roster to build, to build the roster,
so you better understand how you want to build that
roster with the cap money that you've got. I mean,
that's the one thing about you know, Robert Kraft is
he's not necessarily the cheapest. I mean, but he's not
the guy's gonna spend a ton of money like Jimmy
HASLM is looking too. Yeah, So it's it's a tough situation.
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I think for those guys to build back up that roster.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Be interesting to see where he ends up. It will be,
it will He's probably.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Gonna be in San fran Yeah, unless an injury occurs.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I think he's gonna be somewhere else. You're probably right,
that's happening.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You're probably right, But we'll see.
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Speaker 2 (11:21):
Going a little crazy right now. But some other folks
who are going crazy as well. There's Michigan fans, There's
Buckeye fans. There's fans across all college football who are
going crazy because, you know, the allegations against the Michigan
football program for the Connor Stallion scandal. Yet Jim Harba
has continually denied any knowledge of what was happening or
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taking place, despite the fact he, along with six other coaches,
have received Level one or two in fractions. And Jim Harball,
now the head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers, talk
about this about his involvement at the Charges training camp.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
Yeah, I do have a comment on that never lie,
never cheat, never steal. I was raised with that lesson.
I have raised my family on that lesson. I have
preached that lesson to the teams that I've coached. No
one's perfect. If you stumble, you apologize, and you make
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it right. Today, I do not apologize. I did not participate,
was not aware nor complicit in those set allegations.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I felt like we had a little more met on
the bone nearly. Did we just cut that one off
a bit short?
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Or what happened there sounded like he was on some
Bill Clinton type stuff. I did not have relations with
that woman.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Let's just popped up from under the desk. This is.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Sexual, miss Lewinsky, sound like coach. I never told anybody
to lie a single time. Never sound like coach.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, you get a vivid recollection of that. I was
young when that happened. But I do recall the accent
that him denying it. I didn't recall.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
The second part was I never told that one to lie.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I was raised tell the truth, not to lie, cheat
or steel.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I raised my family on that.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I was really doing this though again.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
This year, why did he feel like he needed like
you tell me why, like you're not even there?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
I think I think he was asked about it, so
you know, I've been.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Like already like you already know, like that's that's in
that's in the rear view, you know, and spaceships don't
come equipped with rear view mirrors.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They go forward, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Uh. The thing that I was a little upset we
cut off there. The reason why I was pointing this
out to.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Lee is he usually finish off like some sort of
motivational like line, like you know, attacking each day with
an enthusiasm unknown demandkind. It's like it's something like that
that he like would finish the SoundBite off with. And
I always laugh because what Jim Harball finishes the quote
with is what you end up paying attention to.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Gus, You're like, what the hell did he just say?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You're like that that sounds good, but yeah, okay, Like anyway,
not to get off on a tangent, what was that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Lee, I do have the end of that quote if
you want to hear it real quick here it.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
Is Participate was not aware nor complicit in those set allegations.
So for me, it's back to work and attacking with
an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I love it, Like, first off, he's the only coach
that that in my time. Once I got into broadcasting
all that he would he would say that, he would
say other things similar to that, and I would always
be take it back by like all right, Like if
he's say it every day, you say it enough. Eventually
everyone starts kind of buying and believing it too. It's
just you know who you are. It's part of that.
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But it always like struck me as like, what the
hell did he say before that? I can't remember. I'm
so attracted to the attacking each day with the things
an unknown demandkind I don't even know what he said
before that. So anyway, I just I can't believe we're
doing this again, and my stance on this last year
and it hasn't changed, and just from knowing probably too
much is again people who want to look at Michigan
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say oh, well, they were doing this for years and
look at their success and and look, I grew up
in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I understand.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
One of the reasons why this narrative still continues is
because there's a lot of Buckeye fans out there who
are not happy with how the Ohio State Michigan game
has gone in the past three years.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
And here's the truth.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Okay, if Connor Stallion's was helping you the previous two years, Okay,
this past year, he wasn't on the sidelines. He wasn't helping.
He wasn't there during that season. And I've continually told
teams that are and fans that have an issue with this,
be careful what you say and you wish for, because
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oftentimes you point the finger you got four point right
back at you. And I know some programs that have
some guys that have done this sort of thing and
haven't gotten in trouble or they haven't been exposed.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Because it's that rampant.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And for all the people who keep showing these clips
of guys on the sidelines who look across the sidelines
and then they're still you know, they're signaling back into
their defense.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
There's one with CJ.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Stroud and the Ohio State Michigan game, and everyone's like, oh,
see this clip, see this, No, that's that's actually allowed.
They were actually allowed to steal signs on these sidelines.
So stop showing the clip because it doesn't matter. And
most teams, if they're smart enough, they know, and I
promise you this from covering the Big Ten Championship game
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that Michigan's been in the past two years, each of
their opponents knew they knew exactly what was going on.
This past year, they didn't have Staians, so it didn't matter,
didn't really need them. But two years ago the team's new.
And I won't go as far as saying what other
teams in the league did to compensate that, because it
was pretty messed up too, But I would just I
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would caution people, like, be careful of what you wish for,
because if you want to open up this Pandora's box,
everyone had their hand in the cookie jar, and everyone's
doing some fashion or form of advanced scouting and figuring
this all out and trying to get an edge.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
That's how sports work, folks. Everyone's trying to get an edge.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Everyone's trying to find a way of taking whatever is
gray and forcing the NCAA or the conference to make
it black and white. You can or cannot do this,
and the best teams, by the way, usually do that.
Bill Belichick is notorious for always taking a rule and saying, well,
let's really put the officials, you know, to the grinder
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here to see if they can actually come up with
how they're going to call this consistently because we might
feel like we have an advantage or a loophole that
we could take advantage of. That's how it usually works.
It works in the business world like this. So I
hate that we're you know, rehashing this again. And I
know it has everything to do with the time of
year and the NCAA coming out and saying, hey, Shrommore
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might be suspended or what have you.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Let's move on. Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We have coached the quarterback now, we don't need this,
We will not need this moving forward.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
So it should be a non conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It didn't play any role in my opinion in Michigan
win in the National Championship last year, when they needed
to have Connor stallions the most, they didn't have them,
and they still won.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
They went undefeated. They beat the best.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Opponents without their head coach, without their.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Head coach too. They not only did not have the
scout that was help, but they didn't have their head coach. Coach.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Give them their credit where credit is due. That's that's
that's all I'm saying, like, let's move on from all this.
That that's my take on it.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Yeah again, sign sign stealing that there was the idea
of it. I guess you made the point of it
yesterday that the investigation was still ongoing. I just think
that it should have been to the benefit of the NCAA.
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And I just feel like the fact that this is
continuing to linger on it just leads me to believe,
like or not, I won't say believe. It makes me
question where is where's the push coming from? Like is
there someone that is a decision maker that is a
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pro Ohio state person? Is there some type of background
conspiracy theory? Is there something going on that leads to
the reason why this would continue on into the next
season because Stallions has been gone, the head coach is
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now gone, what's the like close the investigation. It's it's
not like this was a to me, this is not
a legal situation.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
It's not There's nothing here to me that is at
this point tremendously egregious where there should continue to be
a microscope put in place on Michigan or or it's
new head coach. That's my take on it. And the
more it persists the way that it is, it's almost like,
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are you witch hunting for a reason? In particular because
the ultimate, the ultimate punishment that could be levied against
Michigan outside of losing scholarships or or you know, suspension
of games, vacation vacating of games would be the loser coach.
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And oh, by the way, they have a new head coach.
The coach left, So what else is there? Like, we're
going to continue on all let's get let's get the
current head coach. Let's see we can set them back
for at least a game or two, because really, all
that's going to happen is there's going to be a
penalty levied against the head coach. Correct, this isn't This
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isn't anything else beyond they want to look at text
messages or whatever from or seen text messages from Searon
and now they want to they want to suspend him
as well. If this was the case, then to me,
you should have did it all last season, right. It
just doesn't make sense to carry it on into this season,
knowing that they have a new head coach and it's
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a new season. It just seems like there's something here
the deck. It seems seemingly loaded against against Michigan for
some reason, and I'm not sure. It makes you wonder it.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Makes you wonder and look again, I understand that going
back to last year when you look the timeline of
things again, the initial suspension of Jim Harbaugh to start
the see something different, well, and it was it was
self imposed. It was self imposed. It was during that
that contact.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Super egregious, you know, disqualifying breaking the rule like you brought.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Is that what it was? He buught some burgers or
something for recruit.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
It's something along those lines.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I think there's a little bit more, okay, But but
that being said, that was at essence what that initial
suspension was for, where Sharon Moore and another of coaches
on their staff actually rotated the head coaching responsibilities. And
then it was more from the pressure of the Big
Ten that caused Jim Harbaugh to miss those pivotal games
through the course of the regular season. So then that
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became part of that storyline. But we knew the NCAA
could eventually lay down their punishment this this past spring. However,
it extended further into the summer before the season. So
that's why we're at where we're at. That's why this
is recycling a reservicing backup of the news. But one
of the reasons why it's continually being asked about is
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because for Jim Hornball, who you'd think, like, hey, if
things don't go well with the Chargers, he's young enough
and has been successful enough at the college level, he
would have an opportunity to come back to college football. However,
with these sorts of level interfractions that show cause like
that could prevent him from doing so.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
So and maybe that's the reason why he made that statement,
is to set the stage for if that were to happen,
the possible.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And look, he wasn't compliant in the investigation by the
NCAA at least that's one of the accusations. So if
that's the case, I can only imagine how much harder
he's going to make their life, coming all the way
across the country to LA to try to interview him
as the head coach of a National Football League team,
and how busy he is. So there's there's that element
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to where if you thought it was difficult to get
a hold of them back he was coaching at Michigan,
just way now, just wait out now, how hard it's
going to be if he tries to appeal and they
try to, you know, go through that the rigorous process
of figuring this all out. It again, we will see
if you know what the punishment is and what Michigan
decides to do from there. Maybe they're just, you know,
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happy with the fact that let's just get this over
and let's move on from it. College football has adapted
now the coach the quarterback where they have the radio
systems in their helmet, So this really shouldn't be necessary
anymore to continue to have these issues with sign stealing.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
There's always elements of that. I mean even in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean, you're allowed to look at game film and
if you see stuff that a player a coach is
doing on the game film, you're provided you're allowed to
look at that and say, hey, this is their signal
for this. If we shift or motion and they do
this signal, that's what they run. I mean, it's happening
right now in training camp. You have the offense versus
the defense. You don't think every offense on their team
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knows their defensive signals. That's how it works. That's you're
always trying to look for an advantage. So I'm hoping
this goes away sooner rather than later. That may upset
some Buckeyes fans. But again, I would just I would
say this, like, if you're Ohio State, you know you
don't need to have like an excuse or an asterisk
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next to why you beat them this year. You know,
you don't want to blame something. You know, like you
want to beat them. You want to beat him Columbus
far and square where that game is going to be played.
That's the least how I would want it. You know,
I wouldn't want to say, oh, well, they really beat
him because of this they didn't have their head coach
or they didn't have this and then you know the
team was in a state of chaos. You'd rather say, like, no,
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we we took their best shot and we beat them.
We're the better team. And I do think Ohio State
will beat them. I do think they're the better team.
But that rival is that big. That's one of the
reasons why I think this perpetuates this conversation.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Honestly so well, I think that that gives Michigan tremendous
motivation to be prepared. If they didn't need any more,
it just seems like it's them against the world, and
they took that and they rode that and won a
national title, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did
it again.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
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Speaker 10 (26:20):
I don't know what you guys have been up to
since since I've been asleep.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
I woke up a little late today.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
Oh and my daughter woke up at the same time
again for some reason. She sleeps till like eight pol
morning and said, I'm hungry, and I said, I have
to work. I can't help you, and I came walking
down here. I have to work.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
I have to work.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
I'm working right now. That how do you take that?
When you told her that, she said, okay, but usually
that's not the way it goes. But it's early, and
I think she's a little bit disoriented, much like myself.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
How did I ever work? I mean, you paletting the
show right now? I mean, don't drive us off the cliff.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh well, you know it's quite possible.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I actually love what Petros drives us off the cliff.
So there's nowhere to go or wherever you want to go.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
Petros I guess we're having camp talk for some reason
because nothing else is going on, so people get Look,
people get really, really really really lonely without football, and
when football starts, football people just become inundated with it.
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And you watch football all week long. You watch tape,
you study, you work on it, you watch this, you
watch that, you watch maction. But right now with the
preseason and the starters don't play like when we were kids,
the starters would play like the preseason was like, Wow,
there he is Jim Kelly, Andre Reid, Derman, Thomas, look
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at these dudes.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
But now it's a very different world in football.
Speaker 10 (27:59):
These guys are worth so much money and these camps
are covered so maniously that every time somebody gets in
a fight on the field of camp, it becomes big
news and everybody gets all upset and riled up. And
you guys know what that's like. You guys went to
pro football camps for years and years and years. How
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tedious does it get? I mean, I don't think people
really understand that in life, right, lawyers, they don't go
back to law school every fall, you know what I'm saying,
or every every August. You know, if you're Tom Brady
or whoever I meant Daniel Jones, who everybody thinks sucks.
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You got to sit there and reinstall the zone play,
you know what I mean? Every single year. It's like
relearning how to walk for everybody that just got into
the program and does it, or the franchise and doesn't
know how to walk. And at the college level, when
you're a senior, you're you're tired of it.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
It's old.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
What is it like for these guys?
Speaker 10 (29:05):
And you know, you start to think like, wow, no,
wonder Tony Gonzalez doesn't go to camp, you know, or
these guys that got older and older and older.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
What a what a hard balance.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
It is to be a leader on a team and
be part of a team and go through all this
crap year in and year out.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
It's so repetitive. What is that like?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's a great point you bring up, and an interesting
perspective in the sense of you look at Aaron Rodgers
who chose to miss their you know, MIDI.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Camp to go to Egypt. I just won a Super Bowl, Aaron,
could you please? But and maybe maybe the.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Jets fans who are sniffing right there saying that maybe
they they look at it and they go, well, you
just got here, you played four plays, got hurt, so
you should be there with your teammates and your new team.
It's like, well, he has been there the entire offseason,
even stayed last season when he didn't need to be there.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
You know, he's been there. He knows the offense. He's
he's the one.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Really calling the place out there, like trusts me, Like
he's seen him played enough football to know what it
should look like. And when something goes wrong, whether it's
him or someone else, like he's he's got all that down.
Like maybe it's better he's off in Egypt during pyramids
or whatever, or trying.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
To, you know, get his Egyptian walk.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I have no idea, but been to Egypt, I have not.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And also I've heard recently from a from a friend
that riding a camel is not all.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
It's cracked up to be. Uh they are mean, yes,
I heard, it's uncomfortable too.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Not comfortable. They spit.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
They have a very light feet though for the sand.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
About that.
Speaker 10 (30:46):
But my thoughts are this, there is a really fine
line though, right between being present, being the leader of
the team, being on the team, being there, and being
somebody who doesn't need to be there Like that is
a really fine line.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
But who is that that doesn't really need to be there?
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady when he's going through divorce.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
I mean, I'll say this, I was at one point
I was a leader of like an undisputed I am
the leader of the team, and there would have never
been a moment in time. In fact, I think that
you should more so be there. There actually isn't a
moment where you shouldn't be there. You actually should be
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there no matter what's going on. I don't care divorce, funerals,
you know, family deaths. You do what you need to
do in terms of being what you need to be
to your your family and to your your personal affairs.
But I think there's something to be said about being
a leader. You know, if you're if you're self anointed,
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or if you're anointed the leader based off of things
outside of your teammates and what you represent to the team,
then maybe those that you know, maybe that applies.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Maybe missing isn't.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
That big of a deal because to some you're only
the leader because the coach said this is the position
you play. You know, this guy has accomplished this. He's
the leader. But if you're a true leader, leaders lead
by example, and so you have to be there. There
were times I didn't want to be there. You know,
there were times that you wake up and it's optional,
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it's voluntary, but you still know that being that example,
like being the one that they say, oh, he's here
before everybody and he leaves after everybody else, those things
are important to trying to build things. Now, with that
being said, our team's never won, So maybe I had
it all wrong. Maybe I had the idea being a
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leader all wrong because our team's never won. But with
that being said, I kind of feel like that was
what I you know, my interpretation of being a true
leader was was being you have to be more accountable.
You don't get to say, you know, oh, I'm missing
to go do this, or I'm scheduling this at this
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point in time, and you know what, I'm gonna miss
being around you guys, and you guys, you know, hold
it down while I'm gone, because I'm the leader, Like
I don't. I never felt like those were even an option.
Those weren't on the table. Yeah, no, I felt the
same way.
Speaker 10 (33:23):
Of course, I wasn't Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers are
a pro football player, and I was a captain and
we were terrible.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
And I didn't get to sixteen years and fifteen years
and fourteen years in the league either. So I'll say
in uncharted territory, I'm not sure how I would feel,
because it does get monotonous, it does get pretty much
it gets very tedious to have to go back and
forth to things that aren't relative to the season. But
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still with that being said, if you've chose to do it,
if you've chose that to be your profession, and you
can to want to be respected in the manner of
which you've accomplished to that point, I would assume that
you would want to continue to go through what it
is that you go through that made you a leader
to begin you know, to begin with.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
There's a lot of validity to that, but I think
it speaks to a kind of greater point of maybe
not even so much of being present but being involved,
Like do you really need to be taking the hits?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Do you really need to be doing as much in
training camps as.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Some of the younger players who do need the experience
the development, But like I think the speed of the game,
Like I could only imagine for Tom Brady at the
end of his career how slow everything looked. I mean,
I remember in year eight being in training camp and
dropping back during a preseason game and yelling at one
of the running backs as he went by to make
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sure he knew he had to pick up the mike
lineback who was wrapping around and he didn't, and he
just released out into his route and I'm literally cussing
at him, and that I kind of just stepped up
and dumped it down to him and said something to
him after the play. But like that was kind of
how it worked, Like you just everything got so slow
at that point, and so I can only imagine, like
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lop on another decade plus of that and how slow
things look to them. And as far as you know,
I think there's something to be said for like guys
at that point in their career, like what are they
focusing on his training camp outside of their own personal
health well being and the game itself, Like how are
they trying to improve? How are they trying to advance
their game to stay on top of it like that.
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Those conversations always kind of fascinate me because they've been
there for so long, and so like how do they
stay on top?
Speaker 10 (35:38):
But two jet protection got to check Mike to Sam
that matter with you, you idiot?
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Then well then it goes to then for a stronger week.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
It's like basically you're never getting the running back out
because he's got to look at five different guys that
can potentially.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
He's gotten a pass protection. Yeah, yeah, let's just went
two jet three jet.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Though nobody wants to throw the ball to you anyway,
Just stay in there.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
Let me ask you this, Brady, because when it comes
to being a guy who's around for a long time,
or like guys were talking about why why if you're
Tom Brady, why do you have to be there for
a bunch of guys that are gonna get a cut?
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Right? Or Aaron Rodgers, like do they think about it
like that?
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Like I don't even know these guys, Like these guys
have come and gone throughout my career and I'll show
up when it matters. I mean, it's a really fine
line because people hate camp. People hate camp more than
they hate being alive. People count hours in camp, they
don't count days. It is a really tedious grind. I
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just don't know what the right thing is.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
I just whoop somebody's ass when I get in that camp.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
All the fighting, yes, I love to just start a
good fight like and I want a big one too.
I want a jack somebody, Yeah, jack somebody good enough
up where everybody wants to get involved.
Speaker 10 (36:55):
Now you have to tell people, though, the distinction between
and break. I don't know how much Brady gets to
talk about practice fighting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Even though Daniel Jones does.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
We talked about Daniel Jones because he got caught up
in a little kirk for somebody had to save him, right,
he had.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
They had to go in.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
And carry him out, like you just keep your helmet
on and get the hell out of there.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
It's interesting though, because I think people in the outside
of the sport don't realize that there's a difference between
a fight in the locker room or a fight between
bets and debts like we're reading about Colorado and a
fight on the football field. Those are two very dramatically
different things, are they not. Yeah?
Speaker 6 (37:36):
I mean yeah, absolutely, I never was a fight over
anything outside of really when I.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Most guys aren't, like on a healthy team, that doesn't.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Happen but some guys they were fight over somebody, you know,
ended up hooking up with somebody else's what they thought
was their chick, right or most of the.
Speaker 10 (37:55):
Time lost to me and Maddy, it was.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Bad food check.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Yeah, sometimes sometimes it was absolutely I don't know. For me,
I was a tone setter. So if I felt like
our practice was off and our energy was down because
nobody wanted to be into practice, I started a fight.
Speaker 10 (38:15):
And you ever start a fight that you were like, damn,
that got too big.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
I'm sorry that I started that fight.
Speaker 10 (38:21):
No, No, that happened once the USC where like it
was too big, Like Dennis Thurman was fighting, Hugh Jackson
was fighting. Somebody was swinging a helmet in a guy's head. Well,
you know, they had to clear practice, and I was like, wow,
that maybe was not a good fight to start. We
never got any reps. Nobody practiced. It got really bad.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
What would they be yelling to with they're out there
in the fight. I always love hear what guys saying.
Speaker 10 (38:45):
Yeah, well usually, I mean, no one can understand what
anybody's saying because of the mouthpiece.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
You know, I sound like.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know, but you had the mouthpiece attached to the
face master.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
That was your mouthpiece.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
That is funny though, when you try to talk to
somebody and you forget, you still have your mouthpiece.
Speaker 10 (39:04):
In, right, and the mouthpiece has got more and more sophisticated.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
Yeah, over the years, the dentist would make them.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
And then they have that so well, it's like you
got a retainer in.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
Yeah, and they have those things like it like that
when you were a kid, if you were like a
really privileged kid, you had the big ass Gi Joe
or Star Wars Guy Holder, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, and it had the little drawers yep.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
And the dude came out like he was in a
refrigerator and a morgue.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
That's how the mouthpieces were.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Right.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
You open your drawer and there's like five.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Mouthpieces that molded to your and you put it.
Speaker 10 (39:38):
Into your head and you're good to go. And that's
why when somebody loses their mouthpiece, it's not that big
of a deal, correct, You know, you can go back
to the drawer and get it. But to me, fighting
on the field is something that is totally normal, totally
healthy to a football team. Yeah, every once in a
while there's a fight between I mean, it's a bunch
of young men. You know, in all situation there's going
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to be fights. But that's a little different, maybe, you
guys think than what we're reading about with the Colorado situation.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Oh oh, I want to hear y'all's perspective on it.
To be honest, I know we're up against it time wise,
too bad.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I want to hear.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
I want to hear about it, Like, do you guys
think that the whole beyond experience is running its course now?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Is turning into I'll.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Put it this way. I always feel like the truth
is somewhere in the middle. You know.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I don't know if it's as bad as everyone has
poor claim that's left the program, you know, and all
these anonymous players that leave it. But I mean, look,
he was tasked with taking over an awful program. I
think the university knew what they were getting in bed
with when they hired him. It wasn't like this plan
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of completely turning the roster over and hitting the portal.
Hord was a surprised that anyone who are involved in
the decision to bring him in. So the fact that
you've get a lot of people who leave the program
who don't have nice things to say.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
I mean, I don't. I don't know. Maybe it's just me.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
There's there's few circumstances where you hear players who leave
a football program.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
And talk with wowing remarks.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
You know what about the ones that stay? I mean,
find a football player.
Speaker 10 (41:19):
Find me a football player that doesn't tell you that
he got aft, right, not playing anybody. We could sit
here with Joe Montana and he could tell you how
he got aft. How they affed him in San Francisco
for Steve Young, how they afft him in Kansas City
because he got too old. I mean, I'm not not
college anybody. Everybody's pissed about something. Everybody has a grievance.
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Every football player, Top Brady was pissed.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
I mean, think about it. So it's not New England.
He finished in Tampa, right.
Speaker 10 (41:48):
I mean, you could be the greatest player of all
time like Tom Brady and point a finger and say
that guy aft me over. You know, Lloyd Carr made
me switch off with that handsome guy Hanson and I
was way better. And look what they did to me
in New England and look how Belichick treated me. The
point is, every single football player has a grievance.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
And so I don't think it's as bad as it
may be.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
I think we should get into it in the next
segment because I think there's.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
A lot there, because I want to throw something in
there as well, something I was thinking.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
I think that there's a lot there.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
But when I read the story, the Dion story, and
it's not getting a lot of run on the network
type of level, especially ESPN, and why because they make
a lot of money off Colorado. I mean, Colorado in
the month of September made Fox Big Noon the most
viewed show we had.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
Concert right away right, so easy was out there.
Speaker 7 (42:47):
I mean that I've never been to a Little Way concert.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I can say that because of that. I've been to
a little Whezy cos.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
That's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 10 (42:56):
You and been do a well. I mean now you're
like Aaron Rod. You can tell it too, what it
was like to see the Sweet Ye New Orleans, right. Yeah. Well,
the point is, I mean they they made a lot
of money boy for people, and talking about Colorado made
a lot of money for people. And it's it's an
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interesting situation that I think that we can get more
into as the show goes on, because or the hour
goes on, because there's a lot there. But when I
read the story to me, it read like nineteen nineties football, right,
I mean, that's what we had. We had guns, we
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had bets, talk about it, and we had debts, and
that one thing, hose there you go.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
That was the exact word that popped into my mind.
I just didn't want to say it out loud. I'm sorry,
you had enough gold to say it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
I mean, that was the whole thing.
Speaker 10 (43:59):
And if you you couldn't navigate that at USC, you
couldn't navigate college football. And there would be some guys
like I was the guy who took almost everybody on
their recruiting trip as the host because I was one
of the only players the dude, I mean, I was
the only guy that could order in a restaurant, you know.
Speaker 7 (44:16):
Most.
Speaker 10 (44:19):
I mean, we'd get these guys who were like these
stiff white dudes who had like offers to go to Stanford,
and you know, everybody would leave the table for a second.
I'd look at the guy and be like, dude, go
to Stanford, Like I could tell that this is not
going to be for you. Dang, you know you are stiff. No, no,
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I like it here. I'm going to join a fraternity. No, no,
go to Stanford.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
We ain't banging.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
I learned that Tetris. How fast would you have told
me that I needed to go to Stanford?
Speaker 7 (44:56):
Told you?
Speaker 5 (44:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (44:58):
I told who was that? They had a stiff fullback
that went to Notre Dame. Remember that, the modern day guy.
Oh remember that he was from modern day and he
was fast and he was like two thousand yard rushier
in high school.
Speaker 7 (45:10):
But he was super stiff white guy. I forget his.
Speaker 10 (45:12):
Name, but I told him. I said, dude, do not
you need to go to Notre Dame. This is not
the place for you.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
But we'll talk about that.
Speaker 10 (45:22):
I'm sure a lot of guys in that rotter locker
room with their eyes white ass open, felt the same way.
And it's a different type of player in college football
Speaker 7 (45:30):
Today than we had back in the nineties.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings and Brady Winn and Jonas Knox
on Fox Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We've been an update for a player that has been
in the news for a while, and it's not for
anything bad. Obviously, he's played well enough where deserves a
contract extension. However, Brandon Ayu for the San Francisco forty
nine Ers has not been able to come up are
you has not been able to come to that agreement
(00:34):
with the forty nine Ers, and now it seems more
likely than not he will be traded to one of
a few interested parties. We're gonna go to lead to
lab now for some uh, I guess an update on
this particular story, Lee, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's right, Brady and LeVar.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
As of late last night, the forty nine Ers have
agreed on the frameworks for a deal with both the
Browns and the Patriots. For Brandon Ayuk, it's now in
his hands to work out a long term contract and
agree with terms with these teams. But the other teams
that were in contention were the Commanders, who have officially
removed themselves from trade talks and the Steelers, who have
not met what the forty nine ers are looking for
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in a trade talk. Many Beat reporters have reported that
the deal would likely also need to be involved with
another veteran wide receiver in a swap.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Huh, How the hell do the Browns have all this
money to we keep paying these deals?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's a great question. Mary K.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Cabot says they could get under if they involve Amari
Cooper in the deal.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Oh what does that mean? I get rid of them?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, you get rid of them. It would be.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Oh, that's not gonna work. Come on now. I was
just gonna say, if you're adding.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Brand and Ayyuk with Amari Cooper to go with Jerry
Judy they traded for to go with Elijah Moore, who's
there their draft pick. I'm telling you, man, Jamary thrashed.
That kid can play. He's gonna be fun to watch.
And Ceta Tilb and David Joku.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I mean, I mean, just throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
One of your guys is there somewhere, Like I'm simplifying it,
but damn. But if you're giving up Cooper, that's different
because I love Amar Cooper. I think he's one of
the more underrated wide receivers.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
In the NFL, man, I would not do they have
a hard time staying healthy for an entire season though.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, I just I guess.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
I just wonder if you were to do that, is
the full time Ayyuk better than the amount of time
you have with Amari Cooper.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I mean, Caper's got over one thousand yards four of
the last five seasons. It's gonna bet he's been healthy
for I think two of those or three of those.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I mean, do you see Ayyuk as a tremendous upgrade?
I mean, he's younger, right, isn't that you younger than
much Youngerhics rookie deal, So you gotta believe that maybe
you're getting the type of player you want to have
and you're getting some longevity. I mean, it's I feel
like it's a win now or go home scenario for
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for the Cleveland Browns. At some point they're going to
have to make some hard decisions on some of these
players just based upon some of the obvious obvious deals
going on there. I would assume I could be wrong,
but I mean, are they in win now mode? And
if they are in win now mode, does that mean okay,
we swap out a Marii Cooper to bring in Brandon Nayuk,
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and that may be the type of player they feel
puts them over the top with having the return of
miss oh my gosh, of Randy, of Deshaun Deshaun, Deshaun Watson.
I mean, maybe that's what it's.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Cooper made the Pro Bowl last year, and he didn't
have more yards, more receptions, and more touchdowns than brendan Ayuk.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Brendan Ayuk has not made the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
That's a Plexico Burrus debate. Plexico Burst was like one
of the most productive receivers in the league for like
two three years something like that, at least two and
never made never made a Pro Bowl. And a lot
of people say it was because he wasn't a He
wasn't a player friendly dude like other players did like him,
so they.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Vote for him. I like him, and I really don't,
but I like him. Yeah, he's cool, dude.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah, bumping to him south better every once in a while.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Oh yeah, you will will, that's right, And you'll bump
into him on Saturdays otherwise too, you know what I mean,
Jump on up on the game. We'll start getting you
on there a little more. If you're available.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, but yeah, man, I mean I don't I don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Sometimes you look at why guys make the Pro Bowl
and why other guys don't. Sometimes they get the benefit
of doubt because of their familiarity with with people, and
maybe that's what it is. I don't know, but I
just still find this I you exchange for MARII Cooper
to be it's a pretty here's my thing. If I'm
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the forty nine ers, why would I have.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Waited this long to do it?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Like?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Did you feel like he was going to, you know,
change his mind? Like take a different angle? Like now
you see some of the contracts that have been awarded
to guys that.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Maybe you could debate if they're better.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Than Ayuk or not, and they got paid, And now
you realize that the market is the market and you're not.
You're definitely you weren't going to pay what he wanted
in the beginning, and you certainly aren't going to pay
I'm sure his number changed.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I bet you, Brandon Aiyuk's.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Original number changed once some of these guys got their contracts.
So I mean, is that, like, what do you think
is the reason why now is the time you go ahead?
And let Brandon Ayuk go in a trade.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I think there's three reasons for it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
To your point, the forty nine Ers most likely were
never going to, within their cap structure say we're going
to devote x amount of dollars to the wide receiver
position or even Brandon Ayu. So at that point they
look at it and probably say, all right, we're not
going to come to an agreement on a long term
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deal anyway, so let's let's see if we can, you know,
let this thing play out. Maybe there's some trade offers,
maybe we can convince his agent to come down on
a number. Now, obviously, as you pointed out, as contracts
have continually been signed, it's looked less and less likely
that Ayuk was going to want to take a discount,
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So they've stood strong with where they're at and trying
to maximize.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
His ability to go somewhere else and get the most money.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think that played a role that the probably divide
between what a Yuk and his team feel like he's
worth or should be making in the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I think the next thing was a really good draft
class of wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The draft class of wide receivers that brings in cheaper labor,
makes it harder for the forty nine Ers and I
Uke's team to file those destinations where there might be
in need.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
So, you know, for example, we're talking about the Browns.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Being one of the teams that would look at, you know,
being involved in this trade, however, would be a swap
in order to get Amari Cooper, and the trade off
there is all right, the forty nine Ers get back
to having another guy they feel really good about the outside.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
He's just up there in age, but you know, that player.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Fits what they're looking for at least in return to
common say what they missed out on the average annual
value of the contract. I want to say somewhere around
twenty million or something. I mean, Amari Cooper's numbers for
this year are really really reasonable. I mean it's only
about an eight million, eight point four million dollar cap hit.
So if you're really looking at it from the forty
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nine ers standpoint, they lose the right receiver, but they
bring in a Pro Bowl caliber wide receiver who's you know,
a very very cheap and that works. Hey, you know
what's those are the situations they're looking for.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Mentioned New England one time in the discussion, we kept
it on well the entire time, Okay, all right, because
I know we up again, But I thought it was
kind of funny that we just say, let's stay with
Amark Cooper and let's stay with let's stay with Cleveland,
because I mean, what who who's throwing the ball to him.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
In New England? Is it?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Is it going to be your guy, Milton or is
it going to be you know, my guy, you know,
Drake May You know what I mean, you saw what
I did.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Someone says it's Lee's Lee and my.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Guy, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But but then that's a wide receiver group that I
think after the draft and after you know, they kind
of went through OT's minicamp, some of these teams like
we say, hey, we still feel like we need something.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
You know that the.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Steelers I think were one of the teams who were
rumored to be in there. I want to say Washington
Commandos tour in there as well. So you've got to
you got a number of teams who probably evaluated the
roster and said we could use his services. Can we
work out a deal structure that works for you know,
all those parties, And that's where they're at now and
you're up against the cusp of really playing mediful games.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
That's kind of that deadline. But that's at least I
look at it.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Son, he change their fortunes, could Brand and I you'd
be a player with the drafting one of those quarterbacks
being whatever it is they end up being for them
at the starting position. Does a brand and I you
change the fortunes of the trajectory of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think that he helps, right, and whether it's Drake May,
Joe Milton, whoever, he helps, But.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like Dad roster, I mean, here's the hard thing about
a roster that's like that, because you've got some defensive
players who are going to miss time and then they
got some holes in their roster, clearly as Elliot Wolf
and Draw Meal trying to build this thing back up.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I don't know there's like one player that's gonna help them.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You know, get over the hump or compete in the
ANFC East the way they'd like to.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
You know, I think there are a number of players away.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So what's interesting is like, whoever you agreed to allow
long term deal, you're paying a bunch of money to it.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Better makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean, you at least have this window of potential
rookie quarterbacks on your roster to build, to build the roster,
so you better understand how you want to build that
roster with the cap money that you've got. I mean,
that's the one thing about you know, Robert Kraft is
he's not necessarily the cheapest. I mean, but he's not
the guy's gonna spend a ton of money like Jimmy
HASLM is looking too. Yeah, So it's it's a tough situation.
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I think for those guys to build back up that roster.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Be interesting to see where he ends up. It will be,
it will He's probably.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Gonna be in San fran Yeah, unless an injury occurs.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I think he's gonna be somewhere else. You're probably right,
that's happening.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You're probably right, But we'll see.
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Speaker 2 (11:21):
Going a little crazy right now. But some other folks
who are going crazy as well. There's Michigan fans, There's
Buckeye fans. There's fans across all college football who are
going crazy because, you know, the allegations against the Michigan
football program for the Connor Stallion scandal. Yet Jim Harba
has continually denied any knowledge of what was happening or
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taking place, despite the fact he, along with six other coaches,
have received Level one or two in fractions. And Jim Harball,
now the head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers, talk
about this about his involvement at the Charges training camp.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
Yeah, I do have a comment on that never lie,
never cheat, never steal. I was raised with that lesson.
I have raised my family on that lesson. I have
preached that lesson to the teams that I've coached. No
one's perfect. If you stumble, you apologize, and you make
(12:27):
it right. Today, I do not apologize. I did not participate,
was not aware nor complicit in those set allegations.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I felt like we had a little more met on
the bone nearly. Did we just cut that one off
a bit short?
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Or what happened there sounded like he was on some
Bill Clinton type stuff. I did not have relations with
that woman.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Let's just popped up from under the desk. This is.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Sexual, miss Lewinsky, sound like coach. I never told anybody
to lie a single time. Never sound like coach.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, you get a vivid recollection of that. I was
young when that happened. But I do recall the accent
that him denying it. I didn't recall.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
The second part was I never told that one to lie.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I was raised tell the truth, not to lie, cheat
or steel.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I raised my family on that.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I was really doing this though again.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
This year, why did he feel like he needed like
you tell me why, like you're not even there?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
I think I think he was asked about it, so
you know, I've been.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Like already like you already know, like that's that's in
that's in the rear view, you know, and spaceships don't
come equipped with rear view mirrors.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They go forward, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Uh. The thing that I was a little upset we
cut off there. The reason why I was pointing this
out to.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Lee is he usually finish off like some sort of
motivational like line, like you know, attacking each day with
an enthusiasm unknown demandkind. It's like it's something like that
that he like would finish the SoundBite off with. And
I always laugh because what Jim Harball finishes the quote
with is what you end up paying attention to.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Gus, You're like, what the hell did he just say?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You're like that that sounds good, but yeah, okay, Like anyway,
not to get off on a tangent, what was that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Lee, I do have the end of that quote if
you want to hear it real quick here it.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
Is Participate was not aware nor complicit in those set allegations.
So for me, it's back to work and attacking with
an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I love it, Like, first off, he's the only coach
that that in my time. Once I got into broadcasting
all that he would he would say that, he would
say other things similar to that, and I would always
be take it back by like all right, Like if
he's say it every day, you say it enough. Eventually
everyone starts kind of buying and believing it too. It's
just you know who you are. It's part of that.
(15:09):
But it always like struck me as like, what the
hell did he say before that? I can't remember. I'm
so attracted to the attacking each day with the things
an unknown demandkind I don't even know what he said
before that. So anyway, I just I can't believe we're
doing this again, and my stance on this last year
and it hasn't changed, and just from knowing probably too
much is again people who want to look at Michigan
(15:34):
say oh, well, they were doing this for years and
look at their success and and look, I grew up
in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I understand.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
One of the reasons why this narrative still continues is
because there's a lot of Buckeye fans out there who
are not happy with how the Ohio State Michigan game
has gone in the past three years.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
And here's the truth.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Okay, if Connor Stallion's was helping you the previous two years, Okay,
this past year, he wasn't on the sidelines. He wasn't helping.
He wasn't there during that season. And I've continually told
teams that are and fans that have an issue with this,
be careful what you say and you wish for, because
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oftentimes you point the finger you got four point right
back at you. And I know some programs that have
some guys that have done this sort of thing and
haven't gotten in trouble or they haven't been exposed.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Because it's that rampant.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And for all the people who keep showing these clips
of guys on the sidelines who look across the sidelines
and then they're still you know, they're signaling back into
their defense.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
There's one with CJ.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Stroud and the Ohio State Michigan game, and everyone's like, oh,
see this clip, see this, No, that's that's actually allowed.
They were actually allowed to steal signs on these sidelines.
So stop showing the clip because it doesn't matter. And
most teams, if they're smart enough, they know, and I
promise you this from covering the Big Ten Championship game
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that Michigan's been in the past two years, each of
their opponents knew they knew exactly what was going on.
This past year, they didn't have Staians, so it didn't matter,
didn't really need them. But two years ago the team's new.
And I won't go as far as saying what other
teams in the league did to compensate that, because it
was pretty messed up too, But I would just I
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would caution people, like, be careful of what you wish for,
because if you want to open up this Pandora's box,
everyone had their hand in the cookie jar, and everyone's
doing some fashion or form of advanced scouting and figuring
this all out and trying to get an edge.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
That's how sports work, folks. Everyone's trying to get an edge.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Everyone's trying to find a way of taking whatever is
gray and forcing the NCAA or the conference to make
it black and white. You can or cannot do this,
and the best teams, by the way, usually do that.
Bill Belichick is notorious for always taking a rule and saying, well,
let's really put the officials, you know, to the grinder
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here to see if they can actually come up with
how they're going to call this consistently because we might
feel like we have an advantage or a loophole that
we could take advantage of. That's how it usually works.
It works in the business world like this. So I
hate that we're you know, rehashing this again. And I
know it has everything to do with the time of
year and the NCAA coming out and saying, hey, Shrommore
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might be suspended or what have you.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Let's move on. Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We have coached the quarterback now, we don't need this,
We will not need this moving forward.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
So it should be a non conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It didn't play any role in my opinion in Michigan
win in the National Championship last year, when they needed
to have Connor stallions the most, they didn't have them,
and they still won.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
They went undefeated. They beat the best.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Opponents without their head coach, without their.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Head coach too. They not only did not have the
scout that was help, but they didn't have their head coach. Coach.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Give them their credit where credit is due. That's that's
that's all I'm saying, like, let's move on from all this.
That that's my take on it.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Yeah again, sign sign stealing that there was the idea
of it. I guess you made the point of it
yesterday that the investigation was still ongoing. I just think
that it should have been to the benefit of the NCAA.
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And I just feel like the fact that this is
continuing to linger on it just leads me to believe,
like or not, I won't say believe. It makes me
question where is where's the push coming from? Like is
there someone that is a decision maker that is a
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pro Ohio state person? Is there some type of background
conspiracy theory? Is there something going on that leads to
the reason why this would continue on into the next
season because Stallions has been gone, the head coach is
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now gone, what's the like close the investigation. It's it's
not like this was a to me, this is not
a legal situation.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
It's not There's nothing here to me that is at
this point tremendously egregious where there should continue to be
a microscope put in place on Michigan or or it's
new head coach. That's my take on it. And the
more it persists the way that it is, it's almost like,
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are you witch hunting for a reason? In particular because
the ultimate, the ultimate punishment that could be levied against
Michigan outside of losing scholarships or or you know, suspension
of games, vacation vacating of games would be the loser coach.
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And oh, by the way, they have a new head coach.
The coach left, So what else is there? Like, we're
going to continue on all let's get let's get the
current head coach. Let's see we can set them back
for at least a game or two, because really, all
that's going to happen is there's going to be a
penalty levied against the head coach. Correct, this isn't This
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isn't anything else beyond they want to look at text
messages or whatever from or seen text messages from Searon
and now they want to they want to suspend him
as well. If this was the case, then to me,
you should have did it all last season, right. It
just doesn't make sense to carry it on into this season,
knowing that they have a new head coach and it's
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a new season. It just seems like there's something here
the deck. It seems seemingly loaded against against Michigan for
some reason, and I'm not sure. It makes you wonder it.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Makes you wonder and look again, I understand that going
back to last year when you look the timeline of
things again, the initial suspension of Jim Harbaugh to start
the see something different, well, and it was it was
self imposed. It was self imposed. It was during that
that contact.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Super egregious, you know, disqualifying breaking the rule like you brought.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Is that what it was? He buught some burgers or
something for recruit.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
It's something along those lines.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I think there's a little bit more, okay, But but
that being said, that was at essence what that initial
suspension was for, where Sharon Moore and another of coaches
on their staff actually rotated the head coaching responsibilities. And
then it was more from the pressure of the Big
Ten that caused Jim Harbaugh to miss those pivotal games
through the course of the regular season. So then that
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became part of that storyline. But we knew the NCAA
could eventually lay down their punishment this this past spring. However,
it extended further into the summer before the season. So
that's why we're at where we're at. That's why this
is recycling a reservicing backup of the news. But one
of the reasons why it's continually being asked about is
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because for Jim Hornball, who you'd think, like, hey, if
things don't go well with the Chargers, he's young enough
and has been successful enough at the college level, he
would have an opportunity to come back to college football. However,
with these sorts of level interfractions that show cause like
that could prevent him from doing so.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
So and maybe that's the reason why he made that statement,
is to set the stage for if that were to happen,
the possible.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And look, he wasn't compliant in the investigation by the
NCAA at least that's one of the accusations. So if
that's the case, I can only imagine how much harder
he's going to make their life, coming all the way
across the country to LA to try to interview him
as the head coach of a National Football League team,
and how busy he is. So there's there's that element
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to where if you thought it was difficult to get
a hold of them back he was coaching at Michigan,
just way now, just wait out now, how hard it's
going to be if he tries to appeal and they
try to, you know, go through that the rigorous process
of figuring this all out. It again, we will see
if you know what the punishment is and what Michigan
decides to do from there. Maybe they're just, you know,
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happy with the fact that let's just get this over
and let's move on from it. College football has adapted
now the coach the quarterback where they have the radio
systems in their helmet, So this really shouldn't be necessary
anymore to continue to have these issues with sign stealing.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
There's always elements of that. I mean even in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean, you're allowed to look at game film and
if you see stuff that a player a coach is
doing on the game film, you're provided you're allowed to
look at that and say, hey, this is their signal
for this. If we shift or motion and they do
this signal, that's what they run. I mean, it's happening
right now in training camp. You have the offense versus
the defense. You don't think every offense on their team
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knows their defensive signals. That's how it works. That's you're
always trying to look for an advantage. So I'm hoping
this goes away sooner rather than later. That may upset
some Buckeyes fans. But again, I would just I would
say this, like, if you're Ohio State, you know you
don't need to have like an excuse or an asterisk
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next to why you beat them this year. You know,
you don't want to blame something. You know, like you
want to beat them. You want to beat him Columbus
far and square where that game is going to be played.
That's the least how I would want it. You know,
I wouldn't want to say, oh, well, they really beat
him because of this they didn't have their head coach
or they didn't have this and then you know the
team was in a state of chaos. You'd rather say, like, no,
(25:38):
we we took their best shot and we beat them.
We're the better team. And I do think Ohio State
will beat them. I do think they're the better team.
But that rival is that big. That's one of the
reasons why I think this perpetuates this conversation.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Honestly so well, I think that that gives Michigan tremendous
motivation to be prepared. If they didn't need any more,
it just seems like it's them against the world, and
they took that and they rode that and won a
national title, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did
it again.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
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Speaker 10 (26:20):
I don't know what you guys have been up to
since since I've been asleep.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
I woke up a little late today.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
Oh and my daughter woke up at the same time
again for some reason. She sleeps till like eight pol
morning and said, I'm hungry, and I said, I have
to work. I can't help you, and I came walking
down here. I have to work.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
I have to work.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
I'm working right now. That how do you take that?
When you told her that, she said, okay, but usually
that's not the way it goes. But it's early, and
I think she's a little bit disoriented, much like myself.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
How did I ever work? I mean, you paletting the
show right now? I mean, don't drive us off the cliff.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh well, you know it's quite possible.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I actually love what Petros drives us off the cliff.
So there's nowhere to go or wherever you want to go.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
Petros I guess we're having camp talk for some reason
because nothing else is going on, so people get Look,
people get really, really really really lonely without football, and
when football starts, football people just become inundated with it.
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And you watch football all week long. You watch tape,
you study, you work on it, you watch this, you
watch that, you watch maction. But right now with the
preseason and the starters don't play like when we were kids,
the starters would play like the preseason was like, Wow,
there he is Jim Kelly, Andre Reid, Derman, Thomas, look
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at these dudes.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
But now it's a very different world in football.
Speaker 10 (27:59):
These guys are worth so much money and these camps
are covered so maniously that every time somebody gets in
a fight on the field of camp, it becomes big
news and everybody gets all upset and riled up. And
you guys know what that's like. You guys went to
pro football camps for years and years and years. How
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tedious does it get? I mean, I don't think people
really understand that in life, right, lawyers, they don't go
back to law school every fall, you know what I'm saying,
or every every August. You know, if you're Tom Brady
or whoever I meant Daniel Jones, who everybody thinks sucks.
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You got to sit there and reinstall the zone play,
you know what I mean? Every single year. It's like
relearning how to walk for everybody that just got into
the program and does it, or the franchise and doesn't
know how to walk. And at the college level, when
you're a senior, you're you're tired of it.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
It's old.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
What is it like for these guys?
Speaker 10 (29:05):
And you know, you start to think like, wow, no,
wonder Tony Gonzalez doesn't go to camp, you know, or
these guys that got older and older and older.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
What a what a hard balance.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
It is to be a leader on a team and
be part of a team and go through all this
crap year in and year out.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
It's so repetitive. What is that like?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's a great point you bring up, and an interesting
perspective in the sense of you look at Aaron Rodgers
who chose to miss their you know, MIDI.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Camp to go to Egypt. I just won a Super Bowl, Aaron,
could you please? But and maybe maybe the.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Jets fans who are sniffing right there saying that maybe
they they look at it and they go, well, you
just got here, you played four plays, got hurt, so
you should be there with your teammates and your new team.
It's like, well, he has been there the entire offseason,
even stayed last season when he didn't need to be there.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
You know, he's been there. He knows the offense. He's
he's the one.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Really calling the place out there, like trusts me, Like
he's seen him played enough football to know what it
should look like. And when something goes wrong, whether it's
him or someone else, like he's he's got all that down.
Like maybe it's better he's off in Egypt during pyramids
or whatever, or trying.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
To, you know, get his Egyptian walk.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I have no idea, but been to Egypt, I have not.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And also I've heard recently from a from a friend
that riding a camel is not all.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
It's cracked up to be. Uh they are mean, yes,
I heard, it's uncomfortable too.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Not comfortable. They spit.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
They have a very light feet though for the sand.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
About that.
Speaker 10 (30:46):
But my thoughts are this, there is a really fine
line though, right between being present, being the leader of
the team, being on the team, being there, and being
somebody who doesn't need to be there Like that is
a really fine line.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
But who is that that doesn't really need to be there?
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady when he's going through divorce.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
I mean, I'll say this, I was at one point
I was a leader of like an undisputed I am
the leader of the team, and there would have never
been a moment in time. In fact, I think that
you should more so be there. There actually isn't a
moment where you shouldn't be there. You actually should be
(31:29):
there no matter what's going on. I don't care divorce, funerals,
you know, family deaths. You do what you need to
do in terms of being what you need to be
to your your family and to your your personal affairs.
But I think there's something to be said about being
a leader. You know, if you're if you're self anointed,
(31:50):
or if you're anointed the leader based off of things
outside of your teammates and what you represent to the team,
then maybe those that you know, maybe that applies.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Maybe missing isn't.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
That big of a deal because to some you're only
the leader because the coach said this is the position
you play. You know, this guy has accomplished this. He's
the leader. But if you're a true leader, leaders lead
by example, and so you have to be there. There
were times I didn't want to be there. You know,
there were times that you wake up and it's optional,
(32:26):
it's voluntary, but you still know that being that example,
like being the one that they say, oh, he's here
before everybody and he leaves after everybody else, those things
are important to trying to build things. Now, with that
being said, our team's never won, So maybe I had
it all wrong. Maybe I had the idea being a
(32:47):
leader all wrong because our team's never won. But with
that being said, I kind of feel like that was
what I you know, my interpretation of being a true
leader was was being you have to be more accountable.
You don't get to say, you know, oh, I'm missing
to go do this, or I'm scheduling this at this
(33:07):
point in time, and you know what, I'm gonna miss
being around you guys, and you guys, you know, hold
it down while I'm gone, because I'm the leader, Like
I don't. I never felt like those were even an option.
Those weren't on the table. Yeah, no, I felt the
same way.
Speaker 10 (33:23):
Of course, I wasn't Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers are
a pro football player, and I was a captain and
we were terrible.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
And I didn't get to sixteen years and fifteen years
and fourteen years in the league either. So I'll say
in uncharted territory, I'm not sure how I would feel,
because it does get monotonous, it does get pretty much
it gets very tedious to have to go back and
forth to things that aren't relative to the season. But
(33:54):
still with that being said, if you've chose to do it,
if you've chose that to be your profession, and you
can to want to be respected in the manner of
which you've accomplished to that point, I would assume that
you would want to continue to go through what it
is that you go through that made you a leader
to begin you know, to begin with.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
There's a lot of validity to that, but I think
it speaks to a kind of greater point of maybe
not even so much of being present but being involved,
Like do you really need to be taking the hits?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Do you really need to be doing as much in
training camps as.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Some of the younger players who do need the experience
the development, But like I think the speed of the game,
Like I could only imagine for Tom Brady at the
end of his career how slow everything looked. I mean,
I remember in year eight being in training camp and
dropping back during a preseason game and yelling at one
of the running backs as he went by to make
(34:48):
sure he knew he had to pick up the mike
lineback who was wrapping around and he didn't, and he
just released out into his route and I'm literally cussing
at him, and that I kind of just stepped up
and dumped it down to him and said something to
him after the play. But like that was kind of
how it worked, Like you just everything got so slow
at that point, and so I can only imagine, like
(35:09):
lop on another decade plus of that and how slow
things look to them. And as far as you know,
I think there's something to be said for like guys
at that point in their career, like what are they
focusing on his training camp outside of their own personal
health well being and the game itself, Like how are
they trying to improve? How are they trying to advance
their game to stay on top of it like that.
(35:31):
Those conversations always kind of fascinate me because they've been
there for so long, and so like how do they
stay on top?
Speaker 10 (35:38):
But two jet protection got to check Mike to Sam
that matter with you, you idiot?
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Then well then it goes to then for a stronger week.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
It's like basically you're never getting the running back out
because he's got to look at five different guys that
can potentially.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
He's gotten a pass protection. Yeah, yeah, let's just went
two jet three jet.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Though nobody wants to throw the ball to you anyway,
Just stay in there.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
Let me ask you this, Brady, because when it comes
to being a guy who's around for a long time,
or like guys were talking about why why if you're
Tom Brady, why do you have to be there for
a bunch of guys that are gonna get a cut?
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Right? Or Aaron Rodgers, like do they think about it
like that?
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Like I don't even know these guys, Like these guys
have come and gone throughout my career and I'll show
up when it matters. I mean, it's a really fine
line because people hate camp. People hate camp more than
they hate being alive. People count hours in camp, they
don't count days. It is a really tedious grind. I
(36:38):
just don't know what the right thing is.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
I just whoop somebody's ass when I get in that camp.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
All the fighting, yes, I love to just start a
good fight like and I want a big one too.
I want a jack somebody, Yeah, jack somebody good enough
up where everybody wants to get involved.
Speaker 10 (36:55):
Now you have to tell people, though, the distinction between
and break. I don't know how much Brady gets to
talk about practice fighting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Even though Daniel Jones does.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
We talked about Daniel Jones because he got caught up
in a little kirk for somebody had to save him, right,
he had.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
They had to go in.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
And carry him out, like you just keep your helmet
on and get the hell out of there.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
It's interesting though, because I think people in the outside
of the sport don't realize that there's a difference between
a fight in the locker room or a fight between
bets and debts like we're reading about Colorado and a
fight on the football field. Those are two very dramatically
different things, are they not. Yeah?
Speaker 6 (37:36):
I mean yeah, absolutely, I never was a fight over
anything outside of really when I.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Most guys aren't, like on a healthy team, that doesn't.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Happen but some guys they were fight over somebody, you know,
ended up hooking up with somebody else's what they thought
was their chick, right or most of the.
Speaker 10 (37:55):
Time lost to me and Maddy, it was.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Bad food check.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Yeah, sometimes sometimes it was absolutely I don't know. For me,
I was a tone setter. So if I felt like
our practice was off and our energy was down because
nobody wanted to be into practice, I started a fight.
Speaker 10 (38:15):
And you ever start a fight that you were like, damn,
that got too big.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
I'm sorry that I started that fight.
Speaker 10 (38:21):
No, No, that happened once the USC where like it
was too big, Like Dennis Thurman was fighting, Hugh Jackson
was fighting. Somebody was swinging a helmet in a guy's head. Well,
you know, they had to clear practice, and I was like, wow,
that maybe was not a good fight to start. We
never got any reps. Nobody practiced. It got really bad.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
What would they be yelling to with they're out there
in the fight. I always love hear what guys saying.
Speaker 10 (38:45):
Yeah, well usually, I mean, no one can understand what
anybody's saying because of the mouthpiece.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
You know, I sound like.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know, but you had the mouthpiece attached to the
face master.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
That was your mouthpiece.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
That is funny though, when you try to talk to
somebody and you forget, you still have your mouthpiece.
Speaker 10 (39:04):
In, right, and the mouthpiece has got more and more sophisticated.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
Yeah, over the years, the dentist would make them.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
And then they have that so well, it's like you
got a retainer in.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
Yeah, and they have those things like it like that
when you were a kid, if you were like a
really privileged kid, you had the big ass Gi Joe
or Star Wars Guy Holder, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, and it had the little drawers yep.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
And the dude came out like he was in a
refrigerator and a morgue.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
That's how the mouthpieces were.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Right.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
You open your drawer and there's like five.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Mouthpieces that molded to your and you put it.
Speaker 10 (39:38):
Into your head and you're good to go. And that's
why when somebody loses their mouthpiece, it's not that big
of a deal, correct, You know, you can go back
to the drawer and get it. But to me, fighting
on the field is something that is totally normal, totally
healthy to a football team. Yeah, every once in a
while there's a fight between I mean, it's a bunch
of young men. You know, in all situation there's going
(40:01):
to be fights. But that's a little different, maybe, you
guys think than what we're reading about with the Colorado situation.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Oh oh, I want to hear y'all's perspective on it.
To be honest, I know we're up against it time wise,
too bad.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I want to hear.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
I want to hear about it, Like, do you guys
think that the whole beyond experience is running its course now?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Is turning into I'll.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Put it this way. I always feel like the truth
is somewhere in the middle. You know.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I don't know if it's as bad as everyone has
poor claim that's left the program, you know, and all
these anonymous players that leave it. But I mean, look,
he was tasked with taking over an awful program. I
think the university knew what they were getting in bed
with when they hired him. It wasn't like this plan
(40:50):
of completely turning the roster over and hitting the portal.
Hord was a surprised that anyone who are involved in
the decision to bring him in. So the fact that
you've get a lot of people who leave the program
who don't have nice things to say.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
I mean, I don't. I don't know. Maybe it's just me.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
There's there's few circumstances where you hear players who leave
a football program.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
And talk with wowing remarks.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
You know what about the ones that stay? I mean,
find a football player.
Speaker 10 (41:19):
Find me a football player that doesn't tell you that
he got aft, right, not playing anybody. We could sit
here with Joe Montana and he could tell you how
he got aft. How they affed him in San Francisco
for Steve Young, how they afft him in Kansas City
because he got too old. I mean, I'm not not
college anybody. Everybody's pissed about something. Everybody has a grievance.
(41:43):
Every football player, Top Brady was pissed.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
I mean, think about it. So it's not New England.
He finished in Tampa, right.
Speaker 10 (41:48):
I mean, you could be the greatest player of all
time like Tom Brady and point a finger and say
that guy aft me over. You know, Lloyd Carr made
me switch off with that handsome guy Hanson and I
was way better. And look what they did to me
in New England and look how Belichick treated me. The
point is, every single football player has a grievance.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
And so I don't think it's as bad as it
may be.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
I think we should get into it in the next
segment because I think there's.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
A lot there, because I want to throw something in
there as well, something I was thinking.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
I think that there's a lot there.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
But when I read the story, the Dion story, and
it's not getting a lot of run on the network
type of level, especially ESPN, and why because they make
a lot of money off Colorado. I mean, Colorado in
the month of September made Fox Big Noon the most
viewed show we had.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
Concert right away right, so easy was out there.
Speaker 7 (42:47):
I mean that I've never been to a Little Way concert.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I can say that because of that. I've been to
a little Whezy cos.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
That's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 10 (42:56):
You and been do a well. I mean now you're
like Aaron Rod. You can tell it too, what it
was like to see the Sweet Ye New Orleans, right. Yeah. Well,
the point is, I mean they they made a lot
of money boy for people, and talking about Colorado made
a lot of money for people. And it's it's an
(43:19):
interesting situation that I think that we can get more
into as the show goes on, because or the hour
goes on, because there's a lot there. But when I
read the story to me, it read like nineteen nineties football, right,
I mean, that's what we had. We had guns, we
(43:40):
had bets, talk about it, and we had debts, and
that one thing, hose there you go.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
That was the exact word that popped into my mind.
I just didn't want to say it out loud. I'm sorry,
you had enough gold to say it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
I mean, that was the whole thing.
Speaker 10 (43:59):
And if you you couldn't navigate that at USC, you
couldn't navigate college football. And there would be some guys
like I was the guy who took almost everybody on
their recruiting trip as the host because I was one
of the only players the dude, I mean, I was
the only guy that could order in a restaurant, you know.
Speaker 7 (44:16):
Most.
Speaker 10 (44:19):
I mean, we'd get these guys who were like these
stiff white dudes who had like offers to go to Stanford,
and you know, everybody would leave the table for a second.
I'd look at the guy and be like, dude, go
to Stanford, Like I could tell that this is not
going to be for you. Dang, you know you are stiff. No, no,
(44:40):
I like it here. I'm going to join a fraternity. No, no,
go to Stanford.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
We ain't banging.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
I learned that Tetris. How fast would you have told
me that I needed to go to Stanford?
Speaker 7 (44:56):
Told you?
Speaker 5 (44:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (44:58):
I told who was that? They had a stiff fullback
that went to Notre Dame. Remember that, the modern day guy.
Oh remember that he was from modern day and he
was fast and he was like two thousand yard rushier
in high school.
Speaker 7 (45:10):
But he was super stiff white guy. I forget his.
Speaker 10 (45:12):
Name, but I told him. I said, dude, do not
you need to go to Notre Dame. This is not
the place for you.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
But we'll talk about that.
Speaker 10 (45:22):
I'm sure a lot of guys in that rotter locker
room with their eyes white ass open, felt the same way.
And it's a different type of player in college football
Speaker 7 (45:30):
Today than we had back in the nineties.
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