August 6, 2024 • 36 mins
The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys to talk about the dog days of training camp. Deion Sanders comes under scrutiny for the culture of his locker room. All that and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's popping everybody, and welcome. It is Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe. I am Petros papadakas in for
Jonas Knox, just like Bob the imaging guy said. We
got LeVar, we got Brady, and they've been working already
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
I don't know what you.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Guys have been up to since since I've been asleep.
I woke up a little late today and my daughter
woke up at the same time again. For some reason,
she sleeps till like eight morning and said, I'm hungry,
and I said, I have to work. I can't help you,
and I came walking down here. I have to work.
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I have to work. I'm working right now. That I
take that. When you told her that, she said, okay,
But usually that's not the way it goes. But it's early,
and I think she's a little bit disoriented like myself.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
How does it ever work? I mean, you paletting the
show right now? I mean, don't drive us off the cliff.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh well, you know it's quite possible.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I actually love what Petros drives us off the cliff.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There's nowhere to go or wherever you want to go, Petros.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I guess we're having camp talk for some reason because
nothing else is going on, so people get Look, people
get really really really really lonely without football, and when
football starts, football people just become inundated with it, and
you watch football all week long. You watch tape, you study,
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you work on it, you watch this, you watch that,
you watch maction. But right now with the preseason and
the starters don't play like when we were kids, the
starters would play like the preseason was like, Wow, there
he is Jim Can and Reid Derman Thomas.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Look at these dudes. But now it's a very different
world in football.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
These guys are worth so much money, and these camps
are covered so mimbiously that every time somebody gets in
a fight on the field of camp, it becomes big
news and everybody gets all upset and riled up. And
you guys know what that's like. You guys went to
pro football camps for years and years and years. How
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tedious does it get? I mean, I don't think people
really understand that in life, right, lawyers, they don't go
back to law school every fall, you know what I'm saying,
or every August. You know, if you're Tom Brady or
whoever I mean, Daniel Jones, whoever, anything sucks, you got
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to sit there and reinstall the zone play.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
You know what I mean? Every single year.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It's like relearning how to walk for everybody that just
got into the program and does it, or the franchise
and doesn't know how to walk.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And at the college level, when you're a senior, you're
tired of it. It's old. What is it like for
these guys? And you know, you start to think like, wow,
no wonder Tony Gonzalez doesn't go to camp, you know,
or these guys that got older and older and older.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
What a what a hard balance it is to be
a leader on a team and be part of a
team and go through all this crap year in and
year out.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's so repetitive. What is that like?
Speaker 5 (04:32):
It's a great point. You bring up an interesting perspective
in the sense of you look at Aaron Rodgers who
chose to miss their you know, MIDI camp to go
to Egypt.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I just want a Super Bowl, Aaron, you please.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
But maybe maybe the Jets fans who are sniffing right
there saying that, maybe they they look at it and
they go, well, you just got here, you played four
players got hurt, so you should.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Be the with your teammates.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
And your new teammate's like, well he has been there
the entire offseason, even stayed last season when he didn't
need to be there.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know, he's been there, he knows the offense.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
He's he's the one really calling the place out there,
like trusts me, Like he's seen him played enough football
to know what it should look like. And when something
goes wrong, whether it's him or someone else.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like he's got all that down.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Like maybe it's better he's off in Egypt during pyramids
or whatever, or trying to, you know, get his Egyptian walk.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I have no idea, But have you ever been to Egypt?
I have not.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
And also I've heard recently from a from a friend
that riding a camel is not all it's cracked up
to me, they are mean, yes, I heard, it's uncomfortable too.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Not comfortable, they spit. They have a very light feet
though for the sand.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
About that.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
But my thoughts are this, there is a really fine
line though, right between being present, being the leader of
the team, being on the team, being there, and being
somebody who doesn't need to be there, Like that is
a really fine line.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
But who is that that doesn't really need to be there?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady when he's going through divorce.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I mean, I'll say this, I was at one point
I was a leader of like an undisputed I am
the leader of the team, and there would have never
been a moment in time. In fact, I think that
you should more so be there. There actually isn't a
moment where you shouldn't be there. You actually should be
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there no matter what's going on. I don't care divorce, funerals,
you know, family deaths. You do what you need to
do in terms of being what you need to be
to your your family and to your your personal affairs.
But I think there's something to be said about being
a leader. You know, if you're if you're self anointed
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or if you're anointed the leader based off of things
outside of your teammates and what you represent to the team,
then maybe those that you know, maybe that applies.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Maybe missing isn't that big of a deal because to
some you're only the leader because the coach said, this
is the position you play. You know, this guy has
accomplished this, he's the leader. But if you're a true leader,
leaders lead by example, and so you have to be there.
There were times I didn't want to be there, you know,
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there were times that you wake up and it's optional,
it's voluntary, but you still know that being that example,
like being the one that they say, oh, he's here
before everybody and he leaves after everybody else. Those things
are important to trying to build things. Now, with that
being said, our team's never won, So maybe I had
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it all wrong. Maybe I had the idea being a
leader all wrong because our team's never won. But with
that being said, I kind of feel like that is
what I you know, my interpretation of being a true
leader was was being you have to be more accountable.
You don't get to say, you know, oh, I'm missing
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to go do this, or I'm scheduling this at this
point in time, and you know what, I'm gonna miss
being around you guys, and you guys, you know, hold
it down while I'm gone, because I'm the leader, like
I don't. I never felt like those were even an option.
Those weren't on the table. Yeah, no, I felt the
same way. Of course, I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers are a pro football player,
and I was a captain and we were terrible.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And I didn't get to sixteen years and fifteen years
and fourteen years in the league either. So I'll say
in uncharted territory. I'm not sure how I would feel,
because it does get monotonous, It does get pretty much
it gets very tedious to have to go back and
forth to things that aren't relative to the But still
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with that being said, if you've chose to do it,
if you've chose that to be your profession, and you
continue to want to be respected in the manner of
which you've accomplished to that point, I would assume that
you would want to continue to go through what it
is that you go through that made you a leader
to begin you know, to begin with.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
There's a lot of validity to that, but I think
it speaks to a kind of greater point of maybe
not even so much of being present, but being involved,
Like do you really need to be taking the hits?
Do you really need to be doing as much in
training camp as as some of the younger players who
do need the experience the development. But like I think
the speed of the game, Like I could only imagine
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for Tom Brady at the end of his career how
slow everything looked. I mean, I remember in year eight
being in training camp and dropping back during a preseason
game and yelling at one of the running backs as
he went by to make sure he knew he had
to pick up the Mike lineback who was wrapping around,
and he didn't, and he just released out into his
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route and I'm literally cussing at him, and then I
kind of just stepped up and dumped it down to
him and then said something to him after the play.
But like that was kind of how it worked. Like
you just everything got so slow at that point, and
so I can only imagine, like lop on another decade
plus of that and how slow things looked at them.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And as far as you know, I.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Think there's something to be said for like guys at
that point in their career, like what are they focusing
on He's training camp outside of their own personal health
well being and the game itself?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Like how are they trying to improve? How are they
trying to advance their game to stay on top of it?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Like that Those conversations always kind of fascinate me because
they've been there for so long and so like how
do they stay on top?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But two Jet Protection got to check Mike to Sam
that matter with you, you idiot?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well then well then it goes to then for a
stronger week.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
It's like basically you're never getting the running back out
because he's got to look at five different guys that
could potentially he's gotten a pass protection.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, just two jet, three jet. Though nobody wants to
throw the ball to you anyway. Just stay in there.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Let me ask you this, Brady, because when it comes
to being a guy who's around for a long time,
or like guys were talking about why why if you're
Tom Brady, why do you have to be there for
a bunch of guys are gonna get a cut?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Or Aaron Rodgers, like do they think about it like that?
Like I don't even know these guys, Like these guys
have come and gone throughout my career, and I'll show
up when it matters. I mean, it's a really fine line.
Because people hate camp. People hate camp more than they
hate being alive. People count hours in camp, they don't
count days. It is a really tedious grind. I just
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don't know what the right thing is.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I just whoop somebody's ass when I get this camp.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
All the fighting, yes, I love to just start a
good fight. Like and I want a big one too.
I want a jack somebody good enough. Yeah, Jack somebody
good enough up where everybody wants to get involved.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Now you have to tell people though, the distinction between
and Brady. I don't know how much Brady gets to
talk about practice fighting a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Even though Daniel Jones does.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
We talked about Daniel Jones because he got caught up
in a little kirk for somebody had to save him, right,
he and they had to go in.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I'm carry him out, like you just keep your
helmet on and get the hell out of there. Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's interesting though, because I think people in the outside
of the sport don't realize that there's a difference between
a fight in the locker room or a fight between
bets and debts like we're reading about Colorado and a
fight on the football field. Those are two very dramatically
different things, are they not. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I mean yeah, absolutely. I never was a fight over
anything outside of really when I.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Most guys aren't, Like on a healthy team, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
But some guys they would fight over somebody, you know,
ended up hooking up with somebody else's what they thought
was their chick, right or most of.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
The time lost to me and Maddie.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Food check.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah. Sometimes sometimes it was absolutely. I don't know. For me,
I was a tone setter. So if I felt like
our practice was off and our energy was down because
nobody wanted to be in the practice. I started a fight, and.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
You ever started a fight that you were like, damn,
that got too big. I'm sorry that I started that fight. No,
that happened once. The USC where like it was too big,
Like Dennis Thurman was fighting, Hugh Jackson was fighting. Somebody
was swinging a helmet in a guy's head. Well, you know,
they had to clear practice, and I was like, wow,
that maybe was not a good fight to start. We
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never got any reps. Nobody practiced. He got really bad.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
What would they be yelling to her out there in
the fight? I always love hear what guys saying.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, well usually, I mean, no one can understand what
anybody's saying because of the mouthpiece.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know, like you know, you had the.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Mouthpiece attached to the face master, that was your mouthpiece.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
That is funny though, when you try to talk to
somebody and you forget you still have your mouthpiece in.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Right, and the mouthpiece has got more and more sophisticated. Yeah,
over the years, the dentist would make them.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And then they have that so well, it's like you
got a retainer in.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, and they have those things like it, like the when.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You were a kid, if you were like a really
privileged kid, you had the big ass Gi Joe or
Star Wars Guy Holder, you know what I mean. And
it had the little drawers and the dude came out
like he was in a refrigerator and a morgue. That's
how the mouthpieces were, Right. You open your drawer and
there's like five mouthpieces that molded to your and you
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put it into your head and you're good to go.
And that's why when somebody loses their mouthpiece, it's not
that big of a deal, correct, You know, you can
go back to the drawer and get it. But to me,
fighting on the field is something that is totally normal,
totally healthy to a football team. Yeah, every once in
a while there's a fight between I mean it's a
bunch of young men. You know, in a volatile situation,
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there's going to be fights. But that's a little different,
maybe you guys think than what we're reading about with
the Colorado situation.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Oh oh, I want to hear y'all's perspective on it.
To be honest, I know we're up against it time wise,
but too bad. I want to hear. I want to
hear about it, Like, do you guys think that the
whole beyond experience is running its course now? Is turning
into I'll.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Put it this way.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
I always feel like the truth is somewhere in the middle.
You know, I don't know if it's as bad as
everyone has poor claim that's left the program, you know,
and all these anonymous players that leave it. But I mean, look,
he was tasked with taking over an awful program. I
think the university knew what they were getting in bed
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with when they hired him. It wasn't like this plan
of completely turning the roster over and hitting the portal hard.
Was a surprised that anyone who are involved in the
decision to bring him in. So the fact that you
get a lot of people who leave the program who
don't have nice things to say, I mean, I don't,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Maybe it's just me.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
There's there's few circumstances where you hear players who leave
a football program and wowing remarks.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You know, what about the ones that stay? I mean,
find a football player.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Find me a football player that doesn't tell you that
he got aft.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Right, they're not playing anybody.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We could sit here with Joe Montana and he could
tell you how he got aft, How they affed him
in San Francisco for Steve Young, how they afft him
in Kansas City because he got too old.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I mean, I'm not in college.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Anybody. Everybody's pissed about something. Everybody has a grievance. Every
football player, Tom Brady was pissed.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
We think about it. It's not New England. He finished
in Tampa, right.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I mean, you could be the greatest player of all
time like Tom Brady and point a finger and say
that guy left me over. You know, Lloyd Carr made
me switch off with that Hanson guy and I was
way better. And look what they did to me in
New England and look how Belichick treated me. The point is,
every single football player has a grievance, and.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
So you don't think it's as bad as it may be.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I think we should get into it in the next segment.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, I think there's a lot to be because I
want to throw something in there as well. Something I
was thinking. I think that there's a lot there. But
when I read the story, the Dion story, and it's
not getting a lot of run on the network type
of level, especially ESPN, and why because they make a
lot of money off Colorado. I mean Colorado in the
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month of September made Fox Big Noon the most viewed
show we.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Had concert run away, right, so easy was out there.
I mean that ten to a Little Way concert. I
can say that because of that, I've been to a
little Easy.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That's pretty remarkable you and not been a no. I mean,
now you're like Aaron Rodgers. You can tell the two
was like to see the Streets teams Why New Orleans? Right, Yeah,
Well the point is, I mean they they made a
lot of money boy for people, and talking about Colorado
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made a lot of money for people, and it's it's
it's an interesting situation that I think that we can
get more into as the show goes on because or
the hour goes on, because there's a lot there. But
when I read the story to me, it read like
nineteen nineties football, right, I mean that's what we had.
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We had guns, we had bets, talk about it, and
we had debts and that one thing hose there you go.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, And that was the exact word that popped into
my mind. I just didn't want to say it out loud.
I'm sorry, you had enough gold to say it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
You know what I mean. I mean, that was the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And if you couldn't navigate that at USC, you couldn't
navigate college football. And there would be some guys like
I was the guy who took almost everybody on their
recruiting trip as the host, because I was one of
the only players that do I mean, I was the
only guy that could order in a restaurant, you know most.
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I mean, we'd get these guys who were like these
stiff white dudes who had like offers to go to Stanford,
and you know, everybody would leave the table for a second.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'd look at the guy and be like, dude, go
to Stanford.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Like I could tell that this is not going to
be for you. You know you are stiff. No, No,
I like it here, I'm going to join it fraternity. No, no,
go to Stanford.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're up there anyway, bang it we ain't banging.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
I learned that Petros, how fat you have told me
that I needed to go to Stanford?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Told you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I told who was that They had a stiff fullback
that went to Notre Daton.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Remember that the modern day guy. Oh remember that he
was from modern.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Day and he was fast and he was like two
thousand yard rusher in high school. But he was super
stiff white guy. I forget his name, but I told him,
I said, dude, do not you need to go to
Notre Dame. This is not the place for you. But
we'll talk about that. I'm sure a lot of guys
in that call a lot ronter locker room with their
eyes white ass open, felt the same way. And it's
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a different type of player in college football today and
we had back in the nineties.
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Hey, I'm here, I'm back, okay.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And we were talking about Dion and the situation at Colorado.
There was an article written in Aflon. An unnamed player
called out the culture in the locker room, compared it
to grand theft, auto guns, betting, gets, fistfights, bullying, slapping, swearing,
even and we come from a different time in football,
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LaVar and I and Brady.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Brady's a little younger. And Brady went to Notre Dame
and he was a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
You a little younger than meh.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Me, I'm forty seven.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Okay, you're older than me.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
See I've been around, you know. I signed with cal
and then I laughed.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Where I got hurt? Were after me? You can't after me?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I played different in State in the first game that
you weren't there.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And remember that game in the Middle Land, I start
a touchdown on one foot.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah no, Enis was no?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
That was yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
No? No? My little my older brother played in that game.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Okay, in the year two.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Thousand, Carson Palmer, Troy Polamalo. We went and I had
been hurt the year previous, a foot injury. We went
there and they still had the Croatian.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Guy whatever the puk. So that was after copy that
So that was the first year you weren't there.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
So all the tape we watched all summer was like,
don't worry that guy's not there.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
He graduated. Yea. How different was Cal and Southern Cal?
Just the different really?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Well, well the school was different, right, Col's not Stanford.
The cow gets people in cals a UC and people
go like Marshawn Lynch went to Cal. Cal's the one
of the one of the best, if not the best,
public school in the country. But the players, the culture
of the team is a black Oakland culture.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
It was when I was there.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
So it wasn't much different as far as the guys
on the team, except the guys at USC were better.
But on campus at Cal, no one had any Yeah.
I had a curfew there, didn't y No, not really.
The people didn't care about us, you know what I mean.
Like affirmative action was a big deal. It was a
huge controversy up there, and people didn't like the fact
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that there were scholarship athletes. You know, it's a very
progressive place and it has been, you know, since the
forties and the weird beat Nicks. So that was a
little different on campus at USC a USC. You know,
if you weren't like a Hollywood producer or some rich guy,
you were probably on the outside of things too. The
football program wasn't the most popular thing in the world. Now,
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Brady Quinn at Notre Dame. That's a horse of a
different color. Wow, I would.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Imagine where you're going with that one. What about I
just think it's a different deal.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
The color of the buffalo. Yeah, it was for the buffalo. Yeah,
Well that's the thing. I mean, I'm not sure what
you guys think about this. It's it's a story that
reflects on a different time and we all know you
guys were talking about all the attention that the Colorado
program brought in negative and positive. You read the story, LeVar,
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you said you had something to say about it.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I think when you start generating the type of attention,
the type of money that's connected to what he did
and stimulating the economy with his arrival, that money has
to leave somewhere and go there, and I think that
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when you start looking at just kind of everything that
went into what became the phenomenon of Colorado, I think
it offended a lot of people. And there's no getting
around that. The fact that you look at a former
player that was of the caliber some would say Deon
Sanders is the greatest football player to ever played. Some
(25:24):
people would would argue that. And and for him to
be the type of coach where he goes into a scenario,
he's brash in a lot of senses to you know,
the way that people looked at it, I think the media.
I think there's there's media people that had issues with it.
I think there are obviously players that have taken issue
(25:49):
with with how he's kind of said things and how
he's handled them. And he's made decisions that are you
know that that controversial. I mean, he hired Warren Sapp.
You know, he talked about getting rid of people and
bringing in Is Louis luggage and you ain't that And
(26:09):
I mean, I just think that he's offended so many
people because he's just been so unapologetically who he is.
When you do those things and you have that type
of success and those finances, follow the capital gains, follow
what it is that he's doing. People try to bring
that down, and that's not I don't think that's connected
(26:31):
to race. I don't think this is a race thing.
I don't. I don't. I think it's simply put, it's
just how business works. If you see someone doing well,
people jump in on that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
The question of doing well is up for debate, right
because they finished four and eight. Yeah, they night, but
there's no doubt that they brought money and they brought attention.
Those things they did, they brought attention still there brought
of fandom, maybe back an excitement around the program. Back
which just success in and of itself. I mean, when
you win what one game of the year before he
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gets there, that's correct they went for last year. That's
progress in a major way. They've got a quarterback who
is going to be a Heisman contender. He'll be a
top quarterback draft that. It happens to be his son,
so be it Travis Hunters not his son. Maybe you
can consider him an adopted son. But he's getting more
talent to Colorado. You're gonna be talking about them in
next year's draft. There's stuff to be said for that.
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I think this is what probably bothers people the most is.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Diana is a disruptor.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Like when people come into and this happens in the
business world all the time, when they come into a
marketplace and they disrupt because they're so different than how
business was being done before.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
People who are at.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
The top of it are going to be ticked off.
People at the bottom are like, well, why are they
doing this? What are they doing this way? And that's
what he's done. He's literally taking what is there as
far as the transfer portal and nil, and he is
pushing it to the limits in regards to how they
go about building the roster and creating their culture and team.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
But I mean above and beyond the fights and disagreements
into Here's the thing is.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Like, I don't want to way too much into an
anonymous story, right.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
That's why I'm stating there way beyond that, and forget
fights in the locker room, forget fights between RG three
and Danny Canal about that, right the head.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Coach for two. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I was just going to finish by saying the college
football has looked at as a developmental sport. So what
I think bothers a lot of people about what Dion
has done, even probably players who left the program, is
it's always been a you're coming here for three to
four to five years, depending on how that all works,
to get your degree, develop as a young man, and
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play football.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
That's what it was supposed to be. But it was
supposed to be and it's not.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And he, I think, has pushed it now to the
forefront of everything you can do in a professional model
where you were here for a one year period, we
will evaluate you, you will produce. If you don't, you're
not good enough then and you're out. And I don't
think he's he's hiding anything behind closed doors. I think
(29:12):
he shows you what exactly the opportunity is. Cards are
on the table, face up. He's protecting and promoting his
son and Travis Hunter's interests. Well, there's those elements to it, yes,
But I would say by and large, I think anyone
who goes to Colorado that thinks that the old way
is going to be applied to.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
What he's doing is dead wrong.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Now, are there some life lessons you might learn along
the way, of course, but for the most part it's
a one year deal and after that next year he'll
be re evaluated well, and.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
That's how we So when you have the immediacy of
info and literally open transferring, if you bring in legit
four and five stars, those guys have to be coddled
and appeased. And if you have a locker room where
people are being hazed or indoctrinated or trying to taunt
a lesson, especially today, when another school pay him in
a heartbeat, like Dion seems to want it every which way.
(30:01):
You know, you want tough and loyal guys like last century,
and then you want your open transfer portal.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I mean that creates a lot of chaos.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
It does, but I also think there's an element of like,
you should be able to get the tough and loyalty
where you're gonna be youre compensating them, right, Like if
you're bringing those certain guys in and they are mercenaries
for you, so be it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
But but while.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
They're there and they're getting paid, they better be loyal,
they better be tough, they better be all the things
you're looking for. And that's and then that's the hard
part is when you're talking about building a culture, building
a program, you know those two things don't always go
hand in hand and work together. Like we see guys
in the NFL all the time they get paid that
they don't really play this. They don't perform the same
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once they get that big contract. It's it's a little different.
So it's not a direct apples to apples comparison, but
I don't I just think it's going to be a
better case study looking back after five years or so,
ten years.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't know if it last that long, but I
think it is a really thing because wins on the
field have not happened, but success off the field despite
not winning, and.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
The wins on the field did happen.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
They had the same record in conference as they did the.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Year before, but they have more wins overall.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
But actually they had to they had to actually they
had to forfeit one of their conference games that they
won for some reason. So Colorado the year before had
a better conference record, but they also put a tougher schedule.
And I do right, I'm feeling a great but you
understand what I mean. I mean with ye, I mean
this year, semantics, this year, I think you degree like
(31:38):
I think they'll be foreligible. I think they'll you know,
who knows how far they go.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
But I do think they will be a six to seven,
you know, win team, maybe a win team, which you know,
depending on how the start of the season goes.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Because it's not the easiest. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
But like that, a better year to judge them too,
because you need it one year to get in and
figure out what was going on. I mean, it'll be better.
It'll be a better gauge and measurement of what he
truly has done to the program watching what they do
this season.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
The worst thing he probably did is what nobody talks about,
is how he treated those coordinators, especially the offensive coordinator,
and that stuff resonates throughout the football.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
World, especially when he goes and gets a head coaching job.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
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I ain't never paid attention to it.
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It's like when you figured out Humpty Hump.
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And shock G were the same the same person that
blew me away when they said when they said shock
G Dad, I was like, oh man, Humpty must be upset.
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Bro.
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Same day time, could not believe. When I found that out,
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And that was like twenty years of staring at the
fifty yard line there doing games too.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But Peterson is more of a mind blower. I gotta
be honest.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I was like, damn, wsu dang, she don't.
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Look like the Peterson. Okay, let's get to this news man,
because I love hearing your news man. I need to
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Speaker 2 (34:09):
Hear what news?
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The BQ news. We're not doing the BQ.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Oh no, I just made that up. It's Tuesday, buddy,
I don't even know what that is. Like, I don't
even know what the BQ news is.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
We don't. Yeah, we don't do any of that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Well, wow with petros Oh it's a Wednesday thing anyway.
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Oh okay, well he said.
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The b Q ts it.
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I was ready to hear my bad great news from Florida.
I wanted to hear about pole assassinations and all kinds
of stuff like that. You know a pole Oh, the
pole assassin. You don't know about that.
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Somebody's smoking pole.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
No, they wouldn't. Well, I mean maybe they were smoking.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
The poll but I mean that was an Olympics. We
smoke a lot of pol And sports talk radio?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Was she Polish? That girl that got kicked out, No,
she should have been Oh jeez man.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I looked away from the computer and then it so
it turned off and I looked back for the rundown,
and I didn't see what was coming up next.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
We had an in depth conversation about camp this this
hour and whether or not you should.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Go to camp right if you're Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
You should lead if you're considered to be a leader.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, And then we talked about fighting in camp and
the difference.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
But you have field and do you bang? Do you
plang and bang?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
That should should Aidy Quinn have gone to USC or
did he make the right decision going? I think it
worked out going.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't think we had that conversation. Well.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I could see Brady at SC sagging so hard and
being like wagging.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, has a.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Side of him that we don't all know about, but
some of us do. And he could get in and
fit in wherever he got in and fit in.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I really say, like an essay style.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
On the I could sing with like a little fishnet
on on the head, the top button button and not
the only one with a quick.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
The white tea.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I really with some house slippers on and some dicky pants.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Do you know what they say, the higher the socks,
the downer the fool. Have you ever seen American Me, Brady? No,
have you ever seen Colors?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, it was about it's been a long time. We've
only talked about parts of that from now.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah, and now he knows about pen. Look, you would
not have been Sean Penn. You would have been on
the other side of it, is what he's trying to say.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Twenty first Street Crips. Yeah, that's the show. We'll be
back tomorrow.
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I don't know what you.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Guys have been up to since since I've been asleep.
I woke up a little late today and my daughter
woke up at the same time again. For some reason,
she sleeps till like eight morning and said, I'm hungry,
and I said, I have to work. I can't help you,
and I came walking down here. I have to work.
(01:48):
I have to work. I'm working right now. That I
take that. When you told her that, she said, okay,
But usually that's not the way it goes. But it's early,
and I think she's a little bit disoriented like myself.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
How does it ever work? I mean, you paletting the
show right now? I mean, don't drive us off the cliff.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh well, you know it's quite possible.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I actually love what Petros drives us off the cliff.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There's nowhere to go or wherever you want to go, Petros.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I guess we're having camp talk for some reason because
nothing else is going on, so people get Look, people
get really really really really lonely without football, and when
football starts, football people just become inundated with it, and
you watch football all week long. You watch tape, you study,
(02:45):
you work on it, you watch this, you watch that,
you watch maction. But right now with the preseason and
the starters don't play like when we were kids, the
starters would play like the preseason was like, Wow, there
he is Jim Can and Reid Derman Thomas.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Look at these dudes. But now it's a very different
world in football.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
These guys are worth so much money, and these camps
are covered so mimbiously that every time somebody gets in
a fight on the field of camp, it becomes big
news and everybody gets all upset and riled up. And
you guys know what that's like. You guys went to
pro football camps for years and years and years. How
(03:26):
tedious does it get? I mean, I don't think people
really understand that in life, right, lawyers, they don't go
back to law school every fall, you know what I'm saying,
or every August. You know, if you're Tom Brady or
whoever I mean, Daniel Jones, whoever, anything sucks, you got
(03:48):
to sit there and reinstall the zone play.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
You know what I mean? Every single year.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It's like relearning how to walk for everybody that just
got into the program and does it, or the franchise
and doesn't know how to walk.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And at the college level, when you're a senior, you're
tired of it. It's old. What is it like for
these guys? And you know, you start to think like, wow,
no wonder Tony Gonzalez doesn't go to camp, you know,
or these guys that got older and older and older.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
What a what a hard balance it is to be
a leader on a team and be part of a
team and go through all this crap year in and
year out.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's so repetitive. What is that like?
Speaker 5 (04:32):
It's a great point. You bring up an interesting perspective
in the sense of you look at Aaron Rodgers who
chose to miss their you know, MIDI camp to go
to Egypt.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I just want a Super Bowl, Aaron, you please.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
But maybe maybe the Jets fans who are sniffing right
there saying that, maybe they they look at it and
they go, well, you just got here, you played four
players got hurt, so you should.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Be the with your teammates.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
And your new teammate's like, well he has been there
the entire offseason, even stayed last season when he didn't
need to be there.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know, he's been there, he knows the offense.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
He's he's the one really calling the place out there,
like trusts me, Like he's seen him played enough football
to know what it should look like. And when something
goes wrong, whether it's him or someone else.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like he's got all that down.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Like maybe it's better he's off in Egypt during pyramids
or whatever, or trying to, you know, get his Egyptian walk.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I have no idea, But have you ever been to Egypt?
I have not.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
And also I've heard recently from a from a friend
that riding a camel is not all it's cracked up
to me, they are mean, yes, I heard, it's uncomfortable too.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Not comfortable, they spit. They have a very light feet
though for the sand.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
About that.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
But my thoughts are this, there is a really fine
line though, right between being present, being the leader of
the team, being on the team, being there, and being
somebody who doesn't need to be there, Like that is
a really fine line.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
But who is that that doesn't really need to be there?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady when he's going through divorce.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I mean, I'll say this, I was at one point
I was a leader of like an undisputed I am
the leader of the team, and there would have never
been a moment in time. In fact, I think that
you should more so be there. There actually isn't a
moment where you shouldn't be there. You actually should be
(06:35):
there no matter what's going on. I don't care divorce, funerals,
you know, family deaths. You do what you need to
do in terms of being what you need to be
to your your family and to your your personal affairs.
But I think there's something to be said about being
a leader. You know, if you're if you're self anointed
(06:57):
or if you're anointed the leader based off of things
outside of your teammates and what you represent to the team,
then maybe those that you know, maybe that applies.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Maybe missing isn't that big of a deal because to
some you're only the leader because the coach said, this
is the position you play. You know, this guy has
accomplished this, he's the leader. But if you're a true leader,
leaders lead by example, and so you have to be there.
There were times I didn't want to be there, you know,
(07:28):
there were times that you wake up and it's optional,
it's voluntary, but you still know that being that example,
like being the one that they say, oh, he's here
before everybody and he leaves after everybody else. Those things
are important to trying to build things. Now, with that
being said, our team's never won, So maybe I had
(07:51):
it all wrong. Maybe I had the idea being a
leader all wrong because our team's never won. But with
that being said, I kind of feel like that is
what I you know, my interpretation of being a true
leader was was being you have to be more accountable.
You don't get to say, you know, oh, I'm missing
(08:11):
to go do this, or I'm scheduling this at this
point in time, and you know what, I'm gonna miss
being around you guys, and you guys, you know, hold
it down while I'm gone, because I'm the leader, like
I don't. I never felt like those were even an option.
Those weren't on the table. Yeah, no, I felt the
same way. Of course, I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers are a pro football player,
and I was a captain and we were terrible.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And I didn't get to sixteen years and fifteen years
and fourteen years in the league either. So I'll say
in uncharted territory. I'm not sure how I would feel,
because it does get monotonous, It does get pretty much
it gets very tedious to have to go back and
forth to things that aren't relative to the But still
(09:01):
with that being said, if you've chose to do it,
if you've chose that to be your profession, and you
continue to want to be respected in the manner of
which you've accomplished to that point, I would assume that
you would want to continue to go through what it
is that you go through that made you a leader
to begin you know, to begin with.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
There's a lot of validity to that, but I think
it speaks to a kind of greater point of maybe
not even so much of being present, but being involved,
Like do you really need to be taking the hits?
Do you really need to be doing as much in
training camp as as some of the younger players who
do need the experience the development. But like I think
the speed of the game, Like I could only imagine
(09:41):
for Tom Brady at the end of his career how
slow everything looked. I mean, I remember in year eight
being in training camp and dropping back during a preseason
game and yelling at one of the running backs as
he went by to make sure he knew he had
to pick up the Mike lineback who was wrapping around,
and he didn't, and he just released out into his
(10:01):
route and I'm literally cussing at him, and then I
kind of just stepped up and dumped it down to
him and then said something to him after the play.
But like that was kind of how it worked. Like
you just everything got so slow at that point, and
so I can only imagine, like lop on another decade
plus of that and how slow things looked at them.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And as far as you know, I.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Think there's something to be said for like guys at
that point in their career, like what are they focusing
on He's training camp outside of their own personal health
well being and the game itself?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Like how are they trying to improve? How are they
trying to advance their game to stay on top of it?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Like that Those conversations always kind of fascinate me because
they've been there for so long and so like how
do they stay on top?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But two Jet Protection got to check Mike to Sam
that matter with you, you idiot?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well then well then it goes to then for a
stronger week.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
It's like basically you're never getting the running back out
because he's got to look at five different guys that
could potentially he's gotten a pass protection.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, just two jet, three jet. Though nobody wants to
throw the ball to you anyway. Just stay in there.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Let me ask you this, Brady, because when it comes
to being a guy who's around for a long time,
or like guys were talking about why why if you're
Tom Brady, why do you have to be there for
a bunch of guys are gonna get a cut?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Or Aaron Rodgers, like do they think about it like that?
Like I don't even know these guys, Like these guys
have come and gone throughout my career, and I'll show
up when it matters. I mean, it's a really fine line.
Because people hate camp. People hate camp more than they
hate being alive. People count hours in camp, they don't
count days. It is a really tedious grind. I just
(11:45):
don't know what the right thing is.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I just whoop somebody's ass when I get this camp.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
All the fighting, yes, I love to just start a
good fight. Like and I want a big one too.
I want a jack somebody good enough. Yeah, Jack somebody
good enough up where everybody wants to get involved.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Now you have to tell people though, the distinction between
and Brady. I don't know how much Brady gets to
talk about practice fighting a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Even though Daniel Jones does.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
We talked about Daniel Jones because he got caught up
in a little kirk for somebody had to save him, right,
he and they had to go in.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I'm carry him out, like you just keep your
helmet on and get the hell out of there. Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's interesting though, because I think people in the outside
of the sport don't realize that there's a difference between
a fight in the locker room or a fight between
bets and debts like we're reading about Colorado and a
fight on the football field. Those are two very dramatically
different things, are they not. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I mean yeah, absolutely. I never was a fight over
anything outside of really when I.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Most guys aren't, Like on a healthy team, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
But some guys they would fight over somebody, you know,
ended up hooking up with somebody else's what they thought
was their chick, right or most of.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
The time lost to me and Maddie.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Food check.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah. Sometimes sometimes it was absolutely. I don't know. For me,
I was a tone setter. So if I felt like
our practice was off and our energy was down because
nobody wanted to be in the practice. I started a fight, and.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
You ever started a fight that you were like, damn,
that got too big. I'm sorry that I started that fight. No,
that happened once. The USC where like it was too big,
Like Dennis Thurman was fighting, Hugh Jackson was fighting. Somebody
was swinging a helmet in a guy's head. Well, you know,
they had to clear practice, and I was like, wow,
that maybe was not a good fight to start. We
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never got any reps. Nobody practiced. He got really bad.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
What would they be yelling to her out there in
the fight? I always love hear what guys saying.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, well usually, I mean, no one can understand what
anybody's saying because of the mouthpiece.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know, like you know, you had the.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Mouthpiece attached to the face master, that was your mouthpiece.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
That is funny though, when you try to talk to
somebody and you forget you still have your mouthpiece in.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Right, and the mouthpiece has got more and more sophisticated. Yeah,
over the years, the dentist would make them.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And then they have that so well, it's like you
got a retainer in.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, and they have those things like it, like the when.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You were a kid, if you were like a really
privileged kid, you had the big ass Gi Joe or
Star Wars Guy Holder, you know what I mean. And
it had the little drawers and the dude came out
like he was in a refrigerator and a morgue. That's
how the mouthpieces were, Right. You open your drawer and
there's like five mouthpieces that molded to your and you
(14:44):
put it into your head and you're good to go.
And that's why when somebody loses their mouthpiece, it's not
that big of a deal, correct, You know, you can
go back to the drawer and get it. But to me,
fighting on the field is something that is totally normal,
totally healthy to a football team. Yeah, every once in
a while there's a fight between I mean it's a
bunch of young men. You know, in a volatile situation,
(15:07):
there's going to be fights. But that's a little different,
maybe you guys think than what we're reading about with
the Colorado situation.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Oh oh, I want to hear y'all's perspective on it.
To be honest, I know we're up against it time wise,
but too bad. I want to hear. I want to
hear about it, Like, do you guys think that the
whole beyond experience is running its course now? Is turning
into I'll.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Put it this way.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
I always feel like the truth is somewhere in the middle.
You know, I don't know if it's as bad as
everyone has poor claim that's left the program, you know,
and all these anonymous players that leave it. But I mean, look,
he was tasked with taking over an awful program. I
think the university knew what they were getting in bed
(15:53):
with when they hired him. It wasn't like this plan
of completely turning the roster over and hitting the portal hard.
Was a surprised that anyone who are involved in the
decision to bring him in. So the fact that you
get a lot of people who leave the program who
don't have nice things to say, I mean, I don't,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Maybe it's just me.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
There's there's few circumstances where you hear players who leave
a football program and wowing remarks.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You know, what about the ones that stay? I mean,
find a football player.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Find me a football player that doesn't tell you that
he got aft.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Right, they're not playing anybody.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We could sit here with Joe Montana and he could
tell you how he got aft, How they affed him
in San Francisco for Steve Young, how they afft him
in Kansas City because he got too old.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I mean, I'm not in college.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Anybody. Everybody's pissed about something. Everybody has a grievance. Every
football player, Tom Brady was pissed.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
We think about it. It's not New England. He finished
in Tampa, right.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I mean, you could be the greatest player of all
time like Tom Brady and point a finger and say
that guy left me over. You know, Lloyd Carr made
me switch off with that Hanson guy and I was
way better. And look what they did to me in
New England and look how Belichick treated me. The point is,
every single football player has a grievance, and.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
So you don't think it's as bad as it may be.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I think we should get into it in the next segment.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, I think there's a lot to be because I
want to throw something in there as well. Something I
was thinking. I think that there's a lot there. But
when I read the story, the Dion story, and it's
not getting a lot of run on the network type
of level, especially ESPN, and why because they make a
lot of money off Colorado. I mean Colorado in the
(17:43):
month of September made Fox Big Noon the most viewed
show we.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Had concert run away, right, so easy was out there.
I mean that ten to a Little Way concert. I
can say that because of that, I've been to a
little Easy.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That's pretty remarkable you and not been a no. I mean,
now you're like Aaron Rodgers. You can tell the two
was like to see the Streets teams Why New Orleans? Right, Yeah,
Well the point is, I mean they they made a
lot of money boy for people, and talking about Colorado
(18:21):
made a lot of money for people, and it's it's
it's an interesting situation that I think that we can
get more into as the show goes on because or
the hour goes on, because there's a lot there. But
when I read the story to me, it read like
nineteen nineties football, right, I mean that's what we had.
(18:44):
We had guns, we had bets, talk about it, and
we had debts and that one thing hose there you go.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, And that was the exact word that popped into
my mind. I just didn't want to say it out loud.
I'm sorry, you had enough gold to say it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
You know what I mean. I mean, that was the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And if you couldn't navigate that at USC, you couldn't
navigate college football. And there would be some guys like
I was the guy who took almost everybody on their
recruiting trip as the host, because I was one of
the only players that do I mean, I was the
only guy that could order in a restaurant, you know most.
(19:26):
I mean, we'd get these guys who were like these
stiff white dudes who had like offers to go to Stanford,
and you know, everybody would leave the table for a second.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'd look at the guy and be like, dude, go
to Stanford.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Like I could tell that this is not going to
be for you. You know you are stiff. No, No,
I like it here, I'm going to join it fraternity. No, no,
go to Stanford.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're up there anyway, bang it we ain't banging.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
I learned that Petros, how fat you have told me
that I needed to go to Stanford?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Told you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I told who was that They had a stiff fullback
that went to Notre Daton.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Remember that the modern day guy. Oh remember that he
was from modern.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Day and he was fast and he was like two
thousand yard rusher in high school. But he was super
stiff white guy. I forget his name, but I told him,
I said, dude, do not you need to go to
Notre Dame. This is not the place for you. But
we'll talk about that. I'm sure a lot of guys
in that call a lot ronter locker room with their
eyes white ass open, felt the same way. And it's
(20:34):
a different type of player in college football today and
we had back in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
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Speaker 4 (21:22):
Hey, I'm here, I'm back, okay.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And we were talking about Dion and the situation at Colorado.
There was an article written in Aflon. An unnamed player
called out the culture in the locker room, compared it
to grand theft, auto guns, betting, gets, fistfights, bullying, slapping, swearing,
even and we come from a different time in football,
(21:49):
LaVar and I and Brady.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Brady's a little younger. And Brady went to Notre Dame
and he was a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
You a little younger than meh.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Me, I'm forty seven.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Okay, you're older than me.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
See I've been around, you know. I signed with cal
and then I laughed.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Where I got hurt? Were after me? You can't after me?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I played different in State in the first game that
you weren't there.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And remember that game in the Middle Land, I start
a touchdown on one foot.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah no, Enis was no?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
That was yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
No? No? My little my older brother played in that game.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Okay, in the year two.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Thousand, Carson Palmer, Troy Polamalo. We went and I had
been hurt the year previous, a foot injury. We went
there and they still had the Croatian.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Guy whatever the puk. So that was after copy that
So that was the first year you weren't there.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
So all the tape we watched all summer was like,
don't worry that guy's not there.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
He graduated. Yea. How different was Cal and Southern Cal?
Just the different really?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Well, well the school was different, right, Col's not Stanford.
The cow gets people in cals a UC and people
go like Marshawn Lynch went to Cal. Cal's the one
of the one of the best, if not the best,
public school in the country. But the players, the culture
of the team is a black Oakland culture.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
It was when I was there.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
So it wasn't much different as far as the guys
on the team, except the guys at USC were better.
But on campus at Cal, no one had any Yeah.
I had a curfew there, didn't y No, not really.
The people didn't care about us, you know what I mean.
Like affirmative action was a big deal. It was a
huge controversy up there, and people didn't like the fact
(23:47):
that there were scholarship athletes. You know, it's a very
progressive place and it has been, you know, since the
forties and the weird beat Nicks. So that was a
little different on campus at USC a USC. You know,
if you weren't like a Hollywood producer or some rich guy,
you were probably on the outside of things too. The
football program wasn't the most popular thing in the world. Now,
(24:09):
Brady Quinn at Notre Dame. That's a horse of a
different color. Wow, I would.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Imagine where you're going with that one. What about I
just think it's a different deal.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
The color of the buffalo. Yeah, it was for the buffalo. Yeah,
Well that's the thing. I mean, I'm not sure what
you guys think about this. It's it's a story that
reflects on a different time and we all know you
guys were talking about all the attention that the Colorado
program brought in negative and positive. You read the story, LeVar,
(24:39):
you said you had something to say about it.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I think when you start generating the type of attention,
the type of money that's connected to what he did
and stimulating the economy with his arrival, that money has
to leave somewhere and go there, and I think that
(25:03):
when you start looking at just kind of everything that
went into what became the phenomenon of Colorado, I think
it offended a lot of people. And there's no getting
around that. The fact that you look at a former
player that was of the caliber some would say Deon
Sanders is the greatest football player to ever played. Some
(25:24):
people would would argue that. And and for him to
be the type of coach where he goes into a scenario,
he's brash in a lot of senses to you know,
the way that people looked at it, I think the media.
I think there's there's media people that had issues with it.
I think there are obviously players that have taken issue
(25:49):
with with how he's kind of said things and how
he's handled them. And he's made decisions that are you
know that that controversial. I mean, he hired Warren Sapp.
You know, he talked about getting rid of people and
bringing in Is Louis luggage and you ain't that And
(26:09):
I mean, I just think that he's offended so many
people because he's just been so unapologetically who he is.
When you do those things and you have that type
of success and those finances, follow the capital gains, follow
what it is that he's doing. People try to bring
that down, and that's not I don't think that's connected
(26:31):
to race. I don't think this is a race thing.
I don't. I don't. I think it's simply put, it's
just how business works. If you see someone doing well,
people jump in on that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
The question of doing well is up for debate, right
because they finished four and eight. Yeah, they night, but
there's no doubt that they brought money and they brought attention.
Those things they did, they brought attention still there brought
of fandom, maybe back an excitement around the program. Back
which just success in and of itself. I mean, when
you win what one game of the year before he
(27:03):
gets there, that's correct they went for last year. That's
progress in a major way. They've got a quarterback who
is going to be a Heisman contender. He'll be a
top quarterback draft that. It happens to be his son,
so be it Travis Hunters not his son. Maybe you
can consider him an adopted son. But he's getting more
talent to Colorado. You're gonna be talking about them in
next year's draft. There's stuff to be said for that.
(27:26):
I think this is what probably bothers people the most is.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Diana is a disruptor.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Like when people come into and this happens in the
business world all the time, when they come into a
marketplace and they disrupt because they're so different than how
business was being done before.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
People who are at.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
The top of it are going to be ticked off.
People at the bottom are like, well, why are they
doing this? What are they doing this way? And that's
what he's done. He's literally taking what is there as
far as the transfer portal and nil, and he is
pushing it to the limits in regards to how they
go about building the roster and creating their culture and team.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
But I mean above and beyond the fights and disagreements
into Here's the thing is.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Like, I don't want to way too much into an
anonymous story, right.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
That's why I'm stating there way beyond that, and forget
fights in the locker room, forget fights between RG three
and Danny Canal about that, right the head.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Coach for two. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I was just going to finish by saying the college
football has looked at as a developmental sport. So what
I think bothers a lot of people about what Dion
has done, even probably players who left the program, is
it's always been a you're coming here for three to
four to five years, depending on how that all works,
to get your degree, develop as a young man, and
(28:47):
play football.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
That's what it was supposed to be. But it was
supposed to be and it's not.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And he, I think, has pushed it now to the
forefront of everything you can do in a professional model
where you were here for a one year period, we
will evaluate you, you will produce. If you don't, you're
not good enough then and you're out. And I don't
think he's he's hiding anything behind closed doors. I think
(29:12):
he shows you what exactly the opportunity is. Cards are
on the table, face up. He's protecting and promoting his
son and Travis Hunter's interests. Well, there's those elements to it, yes,
But I would say by and large, I think anyone
who goes to Colorado that thinks that the old way
is going to be applied to.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
What he's doing is dead wrong.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Now, are there some life lessons you might learn along
the way, of course, but for the most part it's
a one year deal and after that next year he'll
be re evaluated well, and.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
That's how we So when you have the immediacy of
info and literally open transferring, if you bring in legit
four and five stars, those guys have to be coddled
and appeased. And if you have a locker room where
people are being hazed or indoctrinated or trying to taunt
a lesson, especially today, when another school pay him in
a heartbeat, like Dion seems to want it every which way.
(30:01):
You know, you want tough and loyal guys like last century,
and then you want your open transfer portal.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I mean that creates a lot of chaos.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
It does, but I also think there's an element of like,
you should be able to get the tough and loyalty
where you're gonna be youre compensating them, right, Like if
you're bringing those certain guys in and they are mercenaries
for you, so be it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
But but while.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
They're there and they're getting paid, they better be loyal,
they better be tough, they better be all the things
you're looking for. And that's and then that's the hard
part is when you're talking about building a culture, building
a program, you know those two things don't always go
hand in hand and work together. Like we see guys
in the NFL all the time they get paid that
they don't really play this. They don't perform the same
(30:43):
once they get that big contract. It's it's a little different.
So it's not a direct apples to apples comparison, but
I don't I just think it's going to be a
better case study looking back after five years or so,
ten years.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't know if it last that long, but I
think it is a really thing because wins on the
field have not happened, but success off the field despite
not winning, and.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
The wins on the field did happen.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
They had the same record in conference as they did the.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Year before, but they have more wins overall.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
But actually they had to they had to actually they
had to forfeit one of their conference games that they
won for some reason. So Colorado the year before had
a better conference record, but they also put a tougher schedule.
And I do right, I'm feeling a great but you
understand what I mean. I mean with ye, I mean
this year, semantics, this year, I think you degree like
(31:38):
I think they'll be foreligible. I think they'll you know,
who knows how far they go.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
But I do think they will be a six to seven,
you know, win team, maybe a win team, which you know,
depending on how the start of the season goes.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Because it's not the easiest. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
But like that, a better year to judge them too,
because you need it one year to get in and
figure out what was going on. I mean, it'll be better.
It'll be a better gauge and measurement of what he
truly has done to the program watching what they do
this season.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
The worst thing he probably did is what nobody talks about,
is how he treated those coordinators, especially the offensive coordinator,
and that stuff resonates throughout the football.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
World, especially when he goes and gets a head coaching job.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
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That's your last name, Peterson. Yeah you didn't know that. Wow,
it's on the emails, buddy.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I ain't never paid attention to it.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It's like when you figured out Humpty Hump.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
And shock G were the same the same person that
blew me away when they said when they said shock
G Dad, I was like, oh man, Humpty must be upset.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I found out they was in the same place at the.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Same day time, could not believe. When I found that out,
that went blew my mind. And when I found out
that the Washington State logo spelled out WSU and it
wasn't just a cougar head, that also blew my mind.
And that was like twenty years of staring at the
fifty yard line there doing games too.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But Peterson is more of a mind blower. I gotta
be honest.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I was like, damn, wsu dang, she don't.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Look like the Peterson. Okay, let's get to this news man,
because I love hearing your news man. I need to
hear this, Like, can we get the imaging?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Hear what news?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
The BQ news. We're not doing the BQ.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Oh no, I just made that up. It's Tuesday, buddy,
I don't even know what that is. Like, I don't
even know what the BQ news is.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
We don't. Yeah, we don't do any of that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Well, wow with petros Oh it's a Wednesday thing anyway.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Oh okay, well he said.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
The b Q ts it.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I was ready to hear my bad great news from Florida.
I wanted to hear about pole assassinations and all kinds
of stuff like that. You know a pole Oh, the
pole assassin. You don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Somebody's smoking pole.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
No, they wouldn't. Well, I mean maybe they were smoking.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
The poll but I mean that was an Olympics. We
smoke a lot of pol And sports talk radio?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Was she Polish? That girl that got kicked out, No,
she should have been Oh jeez man.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I looked away from the computer and then it so
it turned off and I looked back for the rundown,
and I didn't see what was coming up next.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
We had an in depth conversation about camp this this
hour and whether or not you should.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Go to camp right if you're Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
You should lead if you're considered to be a leader.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, And then we talked about fighting in camp and
the difference.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
But you have field and do you bang? Do you
plang and bang?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
That should should Aidy Quinn have gone to USC or
did he make the right decision going? I think it
worked out going.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't think we had that conversation. Well.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I could see Brady at SC sagging so hard and
being like wagging.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, has a.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Side of him that we don't all know about, but
some of us do. And he could get in and
fit in wherever he got in and fit in.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I really say, like an essay style.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
On the I could sing with like a little fishnet
on on the head, the top button button and not
the only one with a quick.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
The white tea.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I really with some house slippers on and some dicky pants.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Do you know what they say, the higher the socks,
the downer the fool. Have you ever seen American Me, Brady? No,
have you ever seen Colors?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, it was about it's been a long time. We've
only talked about parts of that from now.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah, and now he knows about pen. Look, you would
not have been Sean Penn. You would have been on
the other side of it, is what he's trying to say.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Twenty first Street Crips. Yeah, that's the show. We'll be
back tomorrow.
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