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joining the show, stepping in the driver's seed for the show,
which is always a fun adventure. What has been an adventure, though,
has been the San Francisco forty nine Ers, as we
just kind of spoke about in the last hour, navigating
or adventuring through the contract dispute with Brandon Aiyuk, who
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has made a case for being paid as one of
the top receivers.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
In the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
However, he has not been able to come to that
agreement with the forty nine Ers. They're now looking for
potential trade partners.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
We talked about the Steelers being one.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
However, the Patriots, who were rumored to be one of
those teams, has backed out, so that market is becoming
a lot smaller market for Brandon Nayuk and his agent
to figure out that deal. But let's hear from head
coach Kyle Shanahan in regards to the situation.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There's a scenario where you do a long term deal
with him.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
There's there's a scenario for everything.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
So I want to rule anything out.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
And if you traded Brandon, can you see a scenario
where you're better because of that?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I mean, Brand's a great player, so it's real hard
to be better when you lose a great player.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So we got to look at anything.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
We got to understand the situation we're in what that
looks like, and that does take time.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
So hopefully it all work out.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Best for him and best for us in the long run.
You're a disappointment it's reached this point.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I know it could be resolved.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I mean it's it's been at this point for a
little bit, so it's nothing really new to me.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I mean you're always.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Disappointed when you can't keep a hold of all your
players or it's not going exactly right.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And I don't like losing anybody. So that's why I'm
hoping it does work out here.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's a great poker face, man, it is right, Yeah,
I think so. I think just listening to that sound bite,
I feel like it confirms what I was saying, Like
Kyle Shanahan doesn't want to lose Brandon, a major piece
of of the puzzle for them, gives them that extra
that that weapon that they can do, you know, deep balls,
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certain certain plays that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You think they get a deal done, you think they'll.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I think I think he gets put in a position
where the market speaks and you and I both know
Q like you can take you can take the if
a team is giving you the opportunity to say, hey, like,
if you really think we're treating you unfairly and you
want I will say that the timing of it sucks.
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They if they really wanted to do this the right way,
do it going. Let's say the first day before, the
day before free agency opens up. Let them request the trade.
Let him go after a trade. If you really are like,
we can't get this done, we're too far apart, so
you can request the trade. Do that right before free
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agency he starts. Grant him that permission. But the fact
that they did it this late, I feel like they're
looking at it like, listen, you heard Kyle Shanahan say,
it's been going on for a while now. So if
this has been going on for a while now, and
you granted him the opportunity to seek a trade, because
I do believe it the way it's reported, he has
to be able to facilitate to the other team, you
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know what it is that's going to take place if
the trade were to happen, right like, the other team
has to agree to you know whatever it is that Okay,
this is this is how we get the deal done
or whatever I mean I don't know. You know the
contract stuff, all that stuff better than I do. But
it's basically in Iyuk's agencies had their hands to be
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able to facilitate another team wanting to do the trade
with the forty nine ers. So if you're giving him
the opportunity to do that and it doesn't work out,
you got to take a good, long heart look in
the mirror. You're why would you sit out? I think
we learned from Le'Veon Bell you don't sit out. You
come in and you play. Now, Trent Williams, that might
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be a different scenario, I really do. If I'm Trent Williams,
I'm gonna stay put. I'm gonna stay put because I
think that there's a premium on his position. He has
proven outright that he's one of the best to ever
do it, not just one of the best, he's one
of the best to ever do it at his position.
So he may have more bargaining power in terms of
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what it is he's trying to get. But as far
as i'm if I'm Brandon Nyuk listening to what Kyle
Shanahan just said, they're waiting on him to realize that
the market for him isn't as large as he thought
it was, So come on back home. Let's let's win
some games, and let's stay away from all of this. Like,
let's let the agents and the money people, the negotiators
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for the forty nine ers, let's let them handle it,
and you come play ball and let's worry about winning games.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I think ideally, Yeah, they find a way of having
him come back for this year at a minimum, as
they've obviously they've exercised the fifth year option on his
rookie deal. He was a first round pick, so he
will be compensated fourteen point one million dollars, but based
on his production, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Clearly lower than what a lot of other players are getting.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Sure, But to your last point, which I think stands
out the most to me, is that's where I feel
like the forty nine ers, at least from a negotiation standpoint,
have the advantage. Is they've allowed a free agency to
go through where I don't know how well known it
was that Brandon and ai Yuk wanted to potentially sign.
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I don't want to say a record breaking deal, but
at least be at top of the wide receiver market.
I assumed the forty nine ers knew maybe they weren't
to a point where they couldn't find an agreement and
couldn't work out a trade at that point with another
team to satisfy what he was looking for. Maybe they did,
you know, maybe they have the same answer they're getting
now you go through the draft.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
We talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
There were so many talented wide receiver after that team
need of a wide receiver, would rather spend that first
round pick grab one there not have to make the
same financial commitment. I mean literally, if you look at
the four year plus the fifth year option, that four
year guaranteed deal for a first round pick probably equates
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to the number that Ayuk is looking for in just
one year of this new contract. If you're talking about
thirty million, I mean that's literally a four year deal
for some of these first round pick wide receivers in totality.
So they went for a more economical, cheaper option, and
then you had the period of time since then.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Where things came to a stanstall.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
There's been plenty of teams who could do the homework
on their roster and say do we feel like we
need to make this move for Brendan Ayuk and so
all this time's played out now where they've had a
chance and an opportunity to evaluate, and clearly the Patriots
who are now backing out of this, they're not involved.
And that leaves in the Washington Commandos, who at one
point were now don't appear to be involved at least
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maybe essentially just the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And that's the tough part.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean, the Browns were at one point they had
framework in place to do a deal, but it'd be
a swap for Amari Cooper and you know, so at
least the forty nine Ers are getting something back in return.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So I kind of look at this and just say,
I think from.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
The forty nine ers perspective to your last point, they
have allowed the market to say to them, this is
how you're viewed, like if you want to try to
make more money else where, so be it. We value you,
this is what's on the table for you, but we're
not spend more than we feel like we should when
you know there's other teams passing on you in this
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capacity too.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's almost like with the franchise tag.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Where you know teams are not putting the exclusive franchise
tag anymore to allow other teams to do the negotiating
or the bidding for them, and then if they do agree,
you know, put forth some sort of long term extension
the team has the ability to match. So there's all
those things that like we've kind of seen over the years,
in the past couple of years that I think also
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have kind of played a role in the team saying
we're more than willing to let you go see what
your market value is, but we feel like we're giving
you a pretty fair deal. It's almost like buying a
car right now, Like you could shop around all you want,
the price is the price, man, Like we're trying to
look at trading get a car right now.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
With the two different dealerships right two completely.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Different dealerships, they both came back and said, your trading's
worth this. The car you're looking at, it's worth this,
And it was literally within maybe a couple hundred.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Dollars of each other.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
All the information's out there, it's all out there, Like
what we're offering you is fair and either you want
to you know, sign this deal or you know, find
somebody who might be desperate. But at this point in
time of the year, no one is that desperate, although
maybe it's a foregone conclusion though Brandon and Ayuk won't
be there, and maybe we're just missing out on that lead.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Do we have this sound from Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Situation with Brandon, this as a teammate, with his not
knowing whether he's going to be here or not, the
ramped up, you know, conversation reports.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
About a possible trade. How do you guys deal with
that in house?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Well, for me, I don't deal with it. You know,
it's that's not part of my job. It's not part
of my my position. I think obviously as a as
a former teammate or you know, teammate of his. In general,
any teammate that you have, you love, you respect them,
you want the best for them. As far as the
business side of this game goes, it's always difficult, and
so I stay out of it completely. You know, that's
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that's way above my pay grade. And I just try
to focus on what I can do every single day.
But obviously we always wish the best for any of
our teammates, whether they're here or not. Obviously we hope
he's here. Just you know, it's it's a it's a
tough part of the business.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's not a way part way bigger, it's not it's
not above your page.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Was that a slip there?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It was a slip. It definitely was a slip. But
it definitely isn't far beyond his pay grade. I mean,
it's just not his responsibility or his duty to make
that decision. But I heard that as well. I wonder
if it was a slip. And that's the conversation that's
taking place in the locker room. But you know, another point,
just just super quickly, what comes to mind. And this
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is kind of lost sometimes because we get so caught
up into thinking about what is and what what these
players want it to be.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
But he agreed to a contract.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And whether whether for good or for bad, and okay,
you know it's a rookie contract. It's still something that
was negotiated, it's still something that was agreed to, and
it's still something that was signed for. And I think
so many times we get lost in that, right it's like, oh,
what about him getting that that that franchise tag, or
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oh he might hold out or this, that and the other,
and he might not play because he wants his contract.
You got to keep in mind these these are athletes
who are are kind of trying to leverage the fact
that they feel as though they have outperformed their contract
and they want a new one, but they're under contract.
You are You said when you became an employee of this,
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of this franchise, that this was the deal that gets
the deal done for you. These are the numbers that
gets this deal done for you. So if we want
to do an extension, if we want to rip up
the contract, we will, and that can be a conversation.
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I think culturally speaking in terms of you know, sports culture,
or maybe in particular football culture, that there's this idea
that once a player starts creating the conversations of I
want an extension, that it has to be done.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
This has to get done, This has to be done.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But you can't venture away from the idea that the
origin of all of this is that you did a
deal coming in as a rookie, and actually, if they
want to negotiate with you, that should be honestly, that
should be the first indicator that you have actually played
well enough to get a different contract. But that doesn't
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necessarily mean that they have to give you. This is
now the time where you give me a new contract
or else. No, you have another year on your contract,
and for what it's worth. In most industries, most industries,
you got to play out your contract. Your contract is
ending before you start negotiating for a new contract. No
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matter how like I could sit here and be like,
you know what, we crush this show. People listen to
our show. Our numbers are continuously going up. It's performing well.
We're going into year four of what we have going on,
and you know what, I want to rip this up.
I know I got six months left, I know I
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got eight nine months left before our contract comes up.
But the numbers clearly show we've outperformed what you're paying us.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Right, that's not how this works you, I mean, not
for me. At least you do what it is you're
supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You put your head down, you show up, you do
your best, your best work.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
You keep putting your best foot forward. And if you're
if you're.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Doing great, if you're doing well, you'll get a you'll
get a decent little pay bump, a decent little pay bump.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You're not cleaning out the fricking bank account with a
new contract. So sometimes I think people got to keep
this in the proper perspective as well, that you are First,
you're still under contract for one that you agreed to.
They didn't force you into this, You agreed to it,
you signed off on. It is your contract. But then secondly,
for the most part, finish your contract. Because if you
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finish your contract and you're truly playing the way that
you feel is deserving of you getting that large contract,
you don't have to worry about like if they franchise
tag you, that's different, but you still get to test
the market in franchise tagging situations. And I think sometimes
we get a little bit away from the idea that
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this is a part of of business, the business that
you're in. They can choose to do the contract or not.
You shouldn't have hard feelings about it. You cite the contract, right.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I think that's a gripe though with the nfl PA
in regards to the rookie contract how long it is, Yes,
because you know he's now built a team for going
on into his fifth year, and I think there's a
lot of players you feel like, not only could they
have control of me into my fifth year, but also
into my sixth and seventh year, if they were to
franchise tag Me two more times and without ever getting
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that law long term reassurance. So I understand both sides
of this. I think the disconnect ends up being this,
we have players who are at the top of the
game at their position. I don't think anyone would debate
Patrick Mahomes is that a quarterback. He's not being paid
more than any quarterback in the NFL. Right now, we
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have wide receivers who are at the top of the game.
Justin Jefferson, who's reset the market with this contract in Minnesota,
you would make the case he's at the top of it.
So the problem more becomes, well, now we got someone
who's maybe trying to surpass Justin Jefferson, but their production
doesn't equate to that. And that's where there's the disconnect
where the team says, well, hold on a second, we
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understand that like to have a number one wide receiver.
Your agents is telling us, well, this is the cost.
It's thirty five million average annual value, just to make
the numbers easy, and we're saying we're not willing to
pay that because the guy who's being paid that has
equated to this sort of production and he's this kind
of player. We don't feel like you're that type of player.
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We love you, we think you're really good, but we
don't feel like you are the best in the NFL
right now. And that's the difficulty of the conversation because
you see it in other positions. You know, you know,
a tackle sometimes will reset the market because he's the
blindside left tackle. Whether or not he is the best
or not, that's up for debate. We see quarterbacks who
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are right now, not you know, Patrick Mahomes, but still
being compensated more than Patrick Mahomes. You know, That's where
I think there's a disconnect in all of this is
the teams are trying to do it from a what
have you done for me in the past. The players
an agent are saying, well, for starters. You know, our
rookie deal where you select us in the draft wasn't
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based on what we were doing. It was based on
what we're doing in the future, but also what we
did in the past. And that's what we're trying to
get from you, is not only what we've done, but
what we will do.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And that's where it's hard then to kind of put
together the deal that I think is.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Enticing enough for the player, but also it fits for
the team and the model and everything else that they
want to do.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I do.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
What I do find interesting about it, though, is at
some point here in the next week or so, like this.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Thing will be wrapped up and we'll be moving on
to football.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like, thank God for that, because I don't mind talking
about the business of football. I just feel like we're
better off talking about whether it's Brendan I you in
San Francisco or Brennan I Yuk in Pittsburgh, We're better
off talking about that element of it, like how does
it help Russell Wilson or Justin Fields, you know, being
on their roster and what does that look like within
that offense now with Arthur Smith. But yeah, no, I
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mean that's where we need to get to at some point.
But coming up next here on Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe, coming to you live from the tai
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various teams and some rookie first round picks. There are
those that are labeled already as the starter, whether or
not that's warranted or not. It's neither here nor there.
That's what those organizations have decided to do. And there's
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others that well, they want their guy to earn it.
Not only are that I first string, they're not even
second string. We'll tell you who that is on the
other side of this break.
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Speaker 1 (19:49):
I have no idea she's already played this song. I
think yes, I'll joji use.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I have no idea what's going on between Lee and
Rainer right now? They're having like their own little party
and their own little deal going behind the scenes. I
want our listeners to know that it is like a
eighties party. Is that what's happening right now?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Brand All they're missing is like tights and stuff like
that that are fluorretting colored.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
We can totally work that in, Lee, let's get some
glove sticks in here.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yes, I mean both of you though, like with the
big leg warming socks and the white shoes.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
You know, just we know, we know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Raina went to the baseball game yesterday. Lee, What did
you do last night outside of the HOA meeting? Was
there any more extra curricular activities? Because I feel like
something's going on.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
There HOA meeting.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Then I had a little watch party with my with
my mother. We watched a little Always Sunny in Philadelphia,
and then uh went and hung out with Todd for
a minute.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yeah, oh my god, Oh that could be.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That could be a trip. How'd that go with Todd?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
I hated it.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I left immediately said I'm out of here. It ran
its course, Yeah, yeah, he will. Todd is a gamer,
and I hate video games, and he is a brother
that he plays video games with online.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
I do not like that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So he just expects you to sit there support him,
talk to him when he wants to talk to you,
and while he's sitting there in the screen, if.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
That ever happens, I'm out of there. So yeah, that's
what happened exactly.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Then I came in to hang out, hung out with
Lorena and Coop.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I mean, I assume some drinks were had.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Maybe I cannot confirm nor deny if drinks were had.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That seems to be the origin of why we're listening
to this funky music. As Lorena would say.
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Rhin before at the game, before I had the game,
So I think at the game I had two shots
at Don Julio nineteen forty two, I had fancy and
I had two mescallon pineapples.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Nice. That's my drink. That's one of my drinks, So good,
fancy right now it's been drinking. It's so smooth.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
What it's exactly like you're drinking dang mescal.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Mescal is so smooth good And this is not smooth.
This kel is the opposite of smooth. Yeah, Lee, smooth.
Speaker 10 (22:14):
Drink like acid on a regular basis.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yes, so I know what I'm talking about. You do
not come at me for my mescal.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I'm not I'm not hating on it. I'm just saying
it's the tastes like less smoky. Like you said, is
that mess.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Cow is smoky. I'm actually with Lee on this one.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
It's gonna bite like you know, you know you're drinking
when you're I would say nineteen forty two is smooth, yes,
but what you were a friend with mescal?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's pretty smoky. That smoky, but it could be smooth smoky.
I'm a support for.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
Yeah, it doesn't burn like regular teki.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It does not burn. That's not burned. It's bidy. It's
a little bidy. But with that pineapple juice, it's super
smooth and there God.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
It's that. That's just me supporting on homie, you know
what I mean, Thank you, no worries.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I mean Lee Tennant, he would also be your homie,
but you.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Know, yeah it is. I mean they're more homies than
we are.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But I mean that's true, like you know, Lee should
have supported her either way, and he didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
So I just figured, I.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Just I have shared many mescuthuld pineapples with loret. It
not that I'm not supporting her many enough.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's a lot mdang what it would taste like with
apple juice.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Probably not as good. Huh.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
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Speaker 2 (23:41):
He will be joining us.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
We're talking about supporting each other in regards to our
tequila recommendations. The Washington Commandos are supporting Jayden Daniels as
making him the starter right out the gate, the number
two overall pick, the reigning Heisman Trophy winner from LSU
last year. Jade and Daniels will be starting off for
the Commandos as the starter in preseason for Dan Quinn's team,
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and var.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I got to say, this isn't really a surprise.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
However, we do see a contrast to other places like
the Denver Broncos with their head coach Sean Payton, who's
more old school, I think is the way of describing it.
They've got Jared Stidham listed as number one on their
depth chart right now and not Bo Nicks, who is
also a first round pick, but Zach Wilson listed as
number two. Now, this is coming despite some of the
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reports that Wilson has really struggled. He's been actually taking
a lot of third team reps at least as of
right now. To start off. On the depth chart, bo
Nix is in the third position, even though I think
we all look at it and say, well, Nix will
eventually get the job at some point this year. So
just look at the contrast of styles. Are you more
of like with the Denver Sean Payton version of this
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where bo Nix has to earn it, He's got to
get up through the next three guys, or do you
look at what Washington's doing and saying, if I'm going
to start this rookie, I want to give him every
possible rep and chance I can before the start of
the real games come week one of the regular season
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I would say, in this particular two situations in comparison.
One coach has been there and has more of an
understanding and the lay of the land of what he needs.
He's already started to put his players into place for
more than a season Q. So I think with Sean
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Payton and his situation, the circumstances are different. He gets
to look at it from a different scope. He knows
the building, he knows the decision makers, he knows his personnel.
At this point with dan Quinn, he comes in as
a new guy and he has to learn those things.
He has to understand what he's up against and what
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his personnel looks like. So you got a first time
well not first time head coach, but first you know,
this is his first year as the head coach of
this organization. So you come in and in your first
year you get the opportunity to get the Heisman Trophy
winners as your draft pick.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
I think that the.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Excitement and the possibilities that exist for the first year
head coach, it's way more valued and valuable that this
is your guy and it's your first year, so we
might as well be on this journey together. Let me
connect my and hitch my wagons to this guy in
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my first season and see where we're at by season's end.
Whereas I think Sean Payton is looking at it like,
even though this is in my first year.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
And we've got a draft pick.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
In bo Nicks and he could possibly be that franchise
guy for us, I already have a structured idea and
a look. I've got to look at my structured plan
and my ideas play out during the course of a season.
And he may feel at this point that it makes
more sense to have bo Nicks where he is on
(27:03):
the depth chart versus just throwing him in there and
throwing him out because they did not come in together. Right,
it's his guy. He's there as the head coach, and
he's drafted him. It's his guy for all intents and purposes,
unless there was some type of disagreement on who he
wanted to draft. But he just doesn't have to approach
(27:24):
it the same way as a first year head coach
would approach it because he has more knowledge and more
understanding of exactly what it is that he wants to
do and how he wants it to play out.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I guess the question that comes to mind next thing
is and I think it's an easy answer, which leads
me to think that this decision is a little more
difficult for this coach, But which one's under more pressure.
I mean, I feel like it's Sean Payton, and it
lends me to think that if you start out this
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season with Jeristidham. Then you have Zach Wilson go, then
it's the bonet. It almost is more of an indictment
on you. Sure, whereas if you bring out the rookie,
you go through some struggles early, you get that you're
gonna get that with the rookie. Everyone kind of knows
that and they buy into that. Now, that doesn't always
save a head coach his job. We've seen other head
coaches who have tried that strategy. Hey we're gonna draft
(28:21):
the rookie, the rookie's gonna play, and they haven't made
it the c year two. But in the case of
Sean Payton, you know, this is presumed to be his
pick in Bonicks and he obviously brought in Jeried'stidam, he
brought in Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And maybe he just doesn't care.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Maybe he just wants to say, hey, whoever the best
quarterback is, go out there and be the guy.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
But there are financial ramifications to this.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
There is a first round draft pick that's a part
of this, and I think more than that, there's probably
a thought to, well, look what you did with you know,
Russell Wilson. The one year he was here, he was
playing fine, and because you didn't want him, and the
salary cap hit and whatever else went on. He's now
no longer here and so we've kind of done this
(29:03):
whole deal of juggling, you know, players and different things
going on, Like can we just pick a guy and
go with them?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Like there's a little bit of that, I think too.
That plays a role.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think you're right, and the idea of put them
in and let's see where we're at with it. But
to answer the question, of course, the more pressure is
on Sean Payton.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
You know, he's come in. He shook things up.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
He took Russ's office away from him, and then he
took his job away from them all together, and then
he shipped them out.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
You can't get the office.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yeah, I just like it's just it makes it kind
of some comic.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Relief there, But I'm really and you shipped them away
for a pack of now laters and some nerds like
you didn't even it's not even like you got tremendous
value in letting him go. And this is someone that
you got to keep in mind if you follow the
money and and that that proves a level of the
importance of the player. This was a person that that
(29:55):
the Denver Broncos heavily invested in. And so for that
to not work when you brought him in and you
go in a different direction and you draft a quarterback
with your first pick, and that first pick is not
starting at the quarterback position. This is one thing that
I'll say that kind of goes to your point and
just put him in and see where you're at, and
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people can accept if he struggles because he's a rookie.
But I ultimately think that coaches don't have like in
the old days, they don't have the grace period of
development anymore. We're seeing more and more coaches getting fired
sooner than we ever have. Some coaches don't even make
(30:37):
one year. That's crazy to even think. Some coaches don't
even make one full season in they're let go. And
so I would say Sean Payton is certainly under more pressure.
He's under a whole lot of scrutiny. And if he
doesn't play this the right way, like if it plays
out the way you said, Okay, Stidham doesn't work, sit
(30:59):
them down. Zach Wilson gets in, he doesn't work, sit
him down. You put in JJ McCarthy or I'm excuse me,
Bo Nicks. Okay, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But
now it's like he was your final frontier. So you're
not looking at it as Oh, our rookie isn't working
after the first two our third string quarterback can't get
(31:19):
it right either. What's the future look like for us
versus if you put him in and he struggles and
it's like, Oh, he's just he's a rookie and we
just got to push through the growing pains. I think
it raises the stakes for everyone if you're letting the
storyline play out that your number one draft pick is
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not only not good enough to be the backup to
the starter that you're going to have, but he's not
even good enough to be the second string guy behind
a former first round top draft pick and on this team.
So I think he has to be Sean Payton as
the coach of this team has to be very careful
because he has done really nothing to garner the respect
(32:03):
and the buy in and the trust of being the
head coach of this new franchise. You can't live on
the laurels that you have coming out in New Orleans
and what you've been able to accomplish there.
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So news came out that Kyler Murray wactually be sitting
out the entirety of the pre seas his way.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
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Arizona this time of her Bort's hot.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
It's really hot.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
He'll be sitting out the preseason though, which you know,
like a I think we see this typically with some starters.
But you know, given he's missed some time from time
to time, does that make you more likely to sit
out a guy like that or are you still kind
of feeling like, hey, we're a young team. This is
a roster that's still building on. Jonathan Gannon, their head coach,
(34:16):
going into a second year. They were competitive last year,
showed a lot of fight. I mean, is there an
element of you saying like I want to see my
starter with some of these new guys we've brought onto
the roster and see how the operation is going to
go heading into week one.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I think if you have a quarterback with his type
of skill set like other running, mobile quarterbacks, I don't
see that, especially if they've had some time put in.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
I think we.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Established this and prior shows. If they're veterans, then you
measuring You weigh it by what you feel they need
in development, what you may or may not want to
see in film from them in games that don't count.
But if you add into the fact that this is
your quarterback, franchise quarterback, he's gotten paid, and he's a
(35:04):
running quarterback, I don't need to see Kyler Murray scramble
around and by time to deliver the ball to a
receiver in preseason and a lot of times that's where
the success comes from with this offense in particular.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
So I actually think.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That this is a wise move to hold Kyler Murray
out because I don't need to see that. As much
as it's exciting and I'd like to see Super Mario
movement and all that stuff and jumping over the mushrooms
and stuff like that, going down into the you know,
the tubes and stuff, the plumbing tubes. I don't want
to see it in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Is that a that a short show can make it?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
It'll be short work if if somebody happens, if one
of Cooper's men happened to get a hold of him
while he's you know, he's doing what he's doing. So
no time for no super Mario much rooms right now,
it's pre season.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Keep him out, Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I do think it's interesting as you look at Klamar
as we call him, ye, his his contract situation, because
it's one in which they when Jonathanon took this job,
he had to have known that he's going to be
attached to Caler Murray for the foreseeable future. His his
dead cap numbers are pretty significant, at least in the
short term. You know, even after this year that it'd
(36:27):
still be a sixty three million dollar cap hit if
they wanted to move on from him. So he had
to have known that now he doesn't have to take
care of him, he's got to build up a working relationship.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
With him, you know, which is in the past.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I think the whole idea of Cliff Kingsbury being in
Arizona was to pair him with Kyler Murray offensively to
see what they could do. And it worked to a
degree for the first three years. I mean, they made
the playoffs, they kept continually improving. However, as you kind
of you know, went further on, obviously injuries played a
role with Theandrea Hopkins missed the first six weeks.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Of that season and that kind.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Of basically spelled the end sometime. Yeah, and well, and
and Calumber's obviously missed some time now. But just kind
of going back through it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I'm saying Deandre's going to miss some time now for
them as well.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
So you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Just well, Deandre's not with him anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Who is he with Tennessee? Tennessee, That's right, but he's
he's out for a little bit. But yeah, you're right, right,
he isn't with them.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But the general point is is when they signed him
to the long term extension the organization, you know, it
really kind of made the next head coach have to
take this job knowing that, you know, whatever with the
whole video game playing clause and all that stuff that
came came to light, you know, it's it's there's gonna
have to be a working relationship, and so he's got
to protect him. He's got to, you know, make sure
(37:43):
he takes care of his guy, at least for the
foreseeable future, because it's not until twenty twenty six or
I think this team would would maybe even look at
making a change of quarterback, depending how the next couple
of years ago.
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which is always a fun adventure. What has been an adventure, though,
has been the San Francisco forty nine Ers, as we
just kind of spoke about in the last hour, navigating
or adventuring through the contract dispute with Brandon Aiyuk, who
(01:33):
has made a case for being paid as one of
the top receivers.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
In the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
However, he has not been able to come to that
agreement with the forty nine Ers. They're now looking for
potential trade partners.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
We talked about the Steelers being one.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
However, the Patriots, who were rumored to be one of
those teams, has backed out, so that market is becoming
a lot smaller market for Brandon Nayuk and his agent
to figure out that deal. But let's hear from head
coach Kyle Shanahan in regards to the situation.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There's a scenario where you do a long term deal
with him.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
There's there's a scenario for everything.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
So I want to rule anything out.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
And if you traded Brandon, can you see a scenario
where you're better because of that?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I mean, Brand's a great player, so it's real hard
to be better when you lose a great player.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So we got to look at anything.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
We got to understand the situation we're in what that
looks like, and that does take time.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
So hopefully it all work out.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Best for him and best for us in the long run.
You're a disappointment it's reached this point.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I know it could be resolved.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I mean it's it's been at this point for a
little bit, so it's nothing really new to me.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I mean you're always.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Disappointed when you can't keep a hold of all your
players or it's not going exactly right.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And I don't like losing anybody. So that's why I'm
hoping it does work out here.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's a great poker face, man, it is right, Yeah,
I think so. I think just listening to that sound bite,
I feel like it confirms what I was saying, Like
Kyle Shanahan doesn't want to lose Brandon, a major piece
of of the puzzle for them, gives them that extra
that that weapon that they can do, you know, deep balls,
(03:08):
certain certain plays that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You think they get a deal done, you think they'll.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I think I think he gets put in a position
where the market speaks and you and I both know
Q like you can take you can take the if
a team is giving you the opportunity to say, hey, like,
if you really think we're treating you unfairly and you
want I will say that the timing of it sucks.
(03:35):
They if they really wanted to do this the right way,
do it going. Let's say the first day before, the
day before free agency opens up. Let them request the trade.
Let him go after a trade. If you really are like,
we can't get this done, we're too far apart, so
you can request the trade. Do that right before free
(03:59):
agency he starts. Grant him that permission. But the fact
that they did it this late, I feel like they're
looking at it like, listen, you heard Kyle Shanahan say,
it's been going on for a while now. So if
this has been going on for a while now, and
you granted him the opportunity to seek a trade, because
I do believe it the way it's reported, he has
to be able to facilitate to the other team, you
(04:22):
know what it is that's going to take place if
the trade were to happen, right like, the other team
has to agree to you know whatever it is that Okay,
this is this is how we get the deal done
or whatever I mean I don't know. You know the
contract stuff, all that stuff better than I do. But
it's basically in Iyuk's agencies had their hands to be
(04:42):
able to facilitate another team wanting to do the trade
with the forty nine ers. So if you're giving him
the opportunity to do that and it doesn't work out,
you got to take a good, long heart look in
the mirror. You're why would you sit out? I think
we learned from Le'Veon Bell you don't sit out. You
come in and you play. Now, Trent Williams, that might
(05:05):
be a different scenario, I really do. If I'm Trent Williams,
I'm gonna stay put. I'm gonna stay put because I
think that there's a premium on his position. He has
proven outright that he's one of the best to ever
do it, not just one of the best, he's one
of the best to ever do it at his position.
So he may have more bargaining power in terms of
(05:25):
what it is he's trying to get. But as far
as i'm if I'm Brandon Nyuk listening to what Kyle
Shanahan just said, they're waiting on him to realize that
the market for him isn't as large as he thought
it was, So come on back home. Let's let's win
some games, and let's stay away from all of this. Like,
let's let the agents and the money people, the negotiators
(05:48):
for the forty nine ers, let's let them handle it,
and you come play ball and let's worry about winning games.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I think ideally, Yeah, they find a way of having
him come back for this year at a minimum, as
they've obviously they've exercised the fifth year option on his
rookie deal. He was a first round pick, so he
will be compensated fourteen point one million dollars, but based
on his production, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Clearly lower than what a lot of other players are getting.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Sure, But to your last point, which I think stands
out the most to me, is that's where I feel
like the forty nine ers, at least from a negotiation standpoint,
have the advantage. Is they've allowed a free agency to
go through where I don't know how well known it
was that Brandon and ai Yuk wanted to potentially sign.
(06:36):
I don't want to say a record breaking deal, but
at least be at top of the wide receiver market.
I assumed the forty nine ers knew maybe they weren't
to a point where they couldn't find an agreement and
couldn't work out a trade at that point with another
team to satisfy what he was looking for. Maybe they did,
you know, maybe they have the same answer they're getting
now you go through the draft.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
We talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
There were so many talented wide receiver after that team
need of a wide receiver, would rather spend that first
round pick grab one there not have to make the
same financial commitment. I mean literally, if you look at
the four year plus the fifth year option, that four
year guaranteed deal for a first round pick probably equates
(07:17):
to the number that Ayuk is looking for in just
one year of this new contract. If you're talking about
thirty million, I mean that's literally a four year deal
for some of these first round pick wide receivers in totality.
So they went for a more economical, cheaper option, and
then you had the period of time since then.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Where things came to a stanstall.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
There's been plenty of teams who could do the homework
on their roster and say do we feel like we
need to make this move for Brendan Ayuk and so
all this time's played out now where they've had a
chance and an opportunity to evaluate, and clearly the Patriots
who are now backing out of this, they're not involved.
And that leaves in the Washington Commandos, who at one
point were now don't appear to be involved at least
(08:02):
maybe essentially just the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And that's the tough part.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean, the Browns were at one point they had
framework in place to do a deal, but it'd be
a swap for Amari Cooper and you know, so at
least the forty nine Ers are getting something back in return.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So I kind of look at this and just say,
I think from.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
The forty nine ers perspective to your last point, they
have allowed the market to say to them, this is
how you're viewed, like if you want to try to
make more money else where, so be it. We value you,
this is what's on the table for you, but we're
not spend more than we feel like we should when
you know there's other teams passing on you in this
(08:39):
capacity too.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's almost like with the franchise tag.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Where you know teams are not putting the exclusive franchise
tag anymore to allow other teams to do the negotiating
or the bidding for them, and then if they do agree,
you know, put forth some sort of long term extension
the team has the ability to match. So there's all
those things that like we've kind of seen over the years,
in the past couple of years that I think also
(09:03):
have kind of played a role in the team saying
we're more than willing to let you go see what
your market value is, but we feel like we're giving
you a pretty fair deal. It's almost like buying a
car right now, Like you could shop around all you want,
the price is the price, man, Like we're trying to
look at trading get a car right now.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
With the two different dealerships right two completely.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Different dealerships, they both came back and said, your trading's
worth this. The car you're looking at, it's worth this,
And it was literally within maybe a couple hundred.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Dollars of each other.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
All the information's out there, it's all out there, Like
what we're offering you is fair and either you want
to you know, sign this deal or you know, find
somebody who might be desperate. But at this point in
time of the year, no one is that desperate, although
maybe it's a foregone conclusion though Brandon and Ayuk won't
be there, and maybe we're just missing out on that lead.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Do we have this sound from Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Situation with Brandon, this as a teammate, with his not
knowing whether he's going to be here or not, the
ramped up, you know, conversation reports.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
About a possible trade. How do you guys deal with
that in house?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Well, for me, I don't deal with it. You know,
it's that's not part of my job. It's not part
of my my position. I think obviously as a as
a former teammate or you know, teammate of his. In general,
any teammate that you have, you love, you respect them,
you want the best for them. As far as the
business side of this game goes, it's always difficult, and
so I stay out of it completely. You know, that's
(10:28):
that's way above my pay grade. And I just try
to focus on what I can do every single day.
But obviously we always wish the best for any of
our teammates, whether they're here or not. Obviously we hope
he's here. Just you know, it's it's a it's a
tough part of the business.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's not a way part way bigger, it's not it's
not above your page.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Was that a slip there?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It was a slip. It definitely was a slip. But
it definitely isn't far beyond his pay grade. I mean,
it's just not his responsibility or his duty to make
that decision. But I heard that as well. I wonder
if it was a slip. And that's the conversation that's
taking place in the locker room. But you know, another point,
just just super quickly, what comes to mind. And this
(11:11):
is kind of lost sometimes because we get so caught
up into thinking about what is and what what these
players want it to be.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
But he agreed to a contract.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And whether whether for good or for bad, and okay,
you know it's a rookie contract. It's still something that
was negotiated, it's still something that was agreed to, and
it's still something that was signed for. And I think
so many times we get lost in that, right it's like, oh,
what about him getting that that that franchise tag, or
(11:45):
oh he might hold out or this, that and the other,
and he might not play because he wants his contract.
You got to keep in mind these these are athletes
who are are kind of trying to leverage the fact
that they feel as though they have outperformed their contract
and they want a new one, but they're under contract.
You are You said when you became an employee of this,
(12:10):
of this franchise, that this was the deal that gets
the deal done for you. These are the numbers that
gets this deal done for you. So if we want
to do an extension, if we want to rip up
the contract, we will, and that can be a conversation.
(12:31):
I think culturally speaking in terms of you know, sports culture,
or maybe in particular football culture, that there's this idea
that once a player starts creating the conversations of I
want an extension, that it has to be done.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
This has to get done, This has to be done.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But you can't venture away from the idea that the
origin of all of this is that you did a
deal coming in as a rookie, and actually, if they
want to negotiate with you, that should be honestly, that
should be the first indicator that you have actually played
well enough to get a different contract. But that doesn't
(13:18):
necessarily mean that they have to give you. This is
now the time where you give me a new contract
or else. No, you have another year on your contract,
and for what it's worth. In most industries, most industries,
you got to play out your contract. Your contract is
ending before you start negotiating for a new contract. No
(13:43):
matter how like I could sit here and be like,
you know what, we crush this show. People listen to
our show. Our numbers are continuously going up. It's performing well.
We're going into year four of what we have going on,
and you know what, I want to rip this up.
I know I got six months left, I know I
(14:04):
got eight nine months left before our contract comes up.
But the numbers clearly show we've outperformed what you're paying us.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Right, that's not how this works you, I mean, not
for me. At least you do what it is you're
supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You put your head down, you show up, you do
your best, your best work.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
You keep putting your best foot forward. And if you're
if you're.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Doing great, if you're doing well, you'll get a you'll
get a decent little pay bump, a decent little pay bump.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You're not cleaning out the fricking bank account with a
new contract. So sometimes I think people got to keep
this in the proper perspective as well, that you are First,
you're still under contract for one that you agreed to.
They didn't force you into this, You agreed to it,
you signed off on. It is your contract. But then secondly,
for the most part, finish your contract. Because if you
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finish your contract and you're truly playing the way that
you feel is deserving of you getting that large contract,
you don't have to worry about like if they franchise
tag you, that's different, but you still get to test
the market in franchise tagging situations. And I think sometimes
we get a little bit away from the idea that
(15:22):
this is a part of of business, the business that
you're in. They can choose to do the contract or not.
You shouldn't have hard feelings about it. You cite the contract, right.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I think that's a gripe though with the nfl PA
in regards to the rookie contract how long it is, Yes,
because you know he's now built a team for going
on into his fifth year, and I think there's a
lot of players you feel like, not only could they
have control of me into my fifth year, but also
into my sixth and seventh year, if they were to
franchise tag Me two more times and without ever getting
(15:59):
that law long term reassurance. So I understand both sides
of this. I think the disconnect ends up being this,
we have players who are at the top of the
game at their position. I don't think anyone would debate
Patrick Mahomes is that a quarterback. He's not being paid
more than any quarterback in the NFL. Right now, we
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have wide receivers who are at the top of the game.
Justin Jefferson, who's reset the market with this contract in Minnesota,
you would make the case he's at the top of it.
So the problem more becomes, well, now we got someone
who's maybe trying to surpass Justin Jefferson, but their production
doesn't equate to that. And that's where there's the disconnect
where the team says, well, hold on a second, we
(16:42):
understand that like to have a number one wide receiver.
Your agents is telling us, well, this is the cost.
It's thirty five million average annual value, just to make
the numbers easy, and we're saying we're not willing to
pay that because the guy who's being paid that has
equated to this sort of production and he's this kind
of player. We don't feel like you're that type of player.
(17:04):
We love you, we think you're really good, but we
don't feel like you are the best in the NFL
right now. And that's the difficulty of the conversation because
you see it in other positions. You know, you know,
a tackle sometimes will reset the market because he's the
blindside left tackle. Whether or not he is the best
or not, that's up for debate. We see quarterbacks who
(17:25):
are right now, not you know, Patrick Mahomes, but still
being compensated more than Patrick Mahomes. You know, That's where
I think there's a disconnect in all of this is
the teams are trying to do it from a what
have you done for me in the past. The players
an agent are saying, well, for starters. You know, our
rookie deal where you select us in the draft wasn't
(17:45):
based on what we were doing. It was based on
what we're doing in the future, but also what we
did in the past. And that's what we're trying to
get from you, is not only what we've done, but
what we will do.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And that's where it's hard then to kind of put
together the deal that I think is.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Enticing enough for the player, but also it fits for
the team and the model and everything else that they
want to do.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I do.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
What I do find interesting about it, though, is at
some point here in the next week or so, like this.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Thing will be wrapped up and we'll be moving on
to football.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like, thank God for that, because I don't mind talking
about the business of football. I just feel like we're
better off talking about whether it's Brendan I you in
San Francisco or Brennan I Yuk in Pittsburgh, We're better
off talking about that element of it, like how does
it help Russell Wilson or Justin Fields, you know, being
on their roster and what does that look like within
that offense now with Arthur Smith. But yeah, no, I
(18:34):
mean that's where we need to get to at some point.
But coming up next here on Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe, coming to you live from the tai
iraq dot Com studios. We've got some announcements made by
various teams and some rookie first round picks. There are
those that are labeled already as the starter, whether or
not that's warranted or not. It's neither here nor there.
That's what those organizations have decided to do. And there's
(18:54):
others that well, they want their guy to earn it.
Not only are that I first string, they're not even
second string. We'll tell you who that is on the
other side of this break.
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Speaker 1 (19:49):
I have no idea she's already played this song. I
think yes, I'll joji use.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I have no idea what's going on between Lee and
Rainer right now? They're having like their own little party
and their own little deal going behind the scenes. I
want our listeners to know that it is like a
eighties party. Is that what's happening right now?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Brand All they're missing is like tights and stuff like
that that are fluorretting colored.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
We can totally work that in, Lee, let's get some
glove sticks in here.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yes, I mean both of you though, like with the
big leg warming socks and the white shoes.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
You know, just we know, we know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Raina went to the baseball game yesterday. Lee, What did
you do last night outside of the HOA meeting? Was
there any more extra curricular activities? Because I feel like
something's going on.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
There HOA meeting.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Then I had a little watch party with my with
my mother. We watched a little Always Sunny in Philadelphia,
and then uh went and hung out with Todd for
a minute.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yeah, oh my god, Oh that could be.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That could be a trip. How'd that go with Todd?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
I hated it.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I left immediately said I'm out of here. It ran
its course, Yeah, yeah, he will. Todd is a gamer,
and I hate video games, and he is a brother
that he plays video games with online.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
I do not like that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So he just expects you to sit there support him,
talk to him when he wants to talk to you,
and while he's sitting there in the screen, if.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
That ever happens, I'm out of there. So yeah, that's
what happened exactly.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Then I came in to hang out, hung out with
Lorena and Coop.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I mean, I assume some drinks were had.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Maybe I cannot confirm nor deny if drinks were had.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That seems to be the origin of why we're listening
to this funky music. As Lorena would say.
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Rhin before at the game, before I had the game,
So I think at the game I had two shots
at Don Julio nineteen forty two, I had fancy and
I had two mescallon pineapples.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Nice. That's my drink. That's one of my drinks, So good,
fancy right now it's been drinking. It's so smooth.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
What it's exactly like you're drinking dang mescal.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Mescal is so smooth good And this is not smooth.
This kel is the opposite of smooth. Yeah, Lee, smooth.
Speaker 10 (22:14):
Drink like acid on a regular basis.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yes, so I know what I'm talking about. You do
not come at me for my mescal.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I'm not I'm not hating on it. I'm just saying
it's the tastes like less smoky. Like you said, is
that mess.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Cow is smoky. I'm actually with Lee on this one.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
It's gonna bite like you know, you know you're drinking
when you're I would say nineteen forty two is smooth, yes,
but what you were a friend with mescal?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's pretty smoky. That smoky, but it could be smooth smoky.
I'm a support for.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
Yeah, it doesn't burn like regular teki.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It does not burn. That's not burned. It's bidy. It's
a little bidy. But with that pineapple juice, it's super
smooth and there God.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
It's that. That's just me supporting on homie, you know
what I mean, Thank you, no worries.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I mean Lee Tennant, he would also be your homie,
but you.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Know, yeah it is. I mean they're more homies than
we are.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But I mean that's true, like you know, Lee should
have supported her either way, and he didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
So I just figured, I.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Just I have shared many mescuthuld pineapples with loret. It
not that I'm not supporting her many enough.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's a lot mdang what it would taste like with
apple juice.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Probably not as good. Huh.
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Speaker 5 (23:42):
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Speaker 3 (23:42):
We're talking about supporting each other in regards to our
tequila recommendations. The Washington Commandos are supporting Jayden Daniels as
making him the starter right out the gate, the number
two overall pick, the reigning Heisman Trophy winner from LSU
last year. Jade and Daniels will be starting off for
the Commandos as the starter in preseason for Dan Quinn's team,
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and var.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I got to say, this isn't really a surprise.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
However, we do see a contrast to other places like
the Denver Broncos with their head coach Sean Payton, who's
more old school, I think is the way of describing it.
They've got Jared Stidham listed as number one on their
depth chart right now and not Bo Nicks, who is
also a first round pick, but Zach Wilson listed as
number two. Now, this is coming despite some of the
(24:30):
reports that Wilson has really struggled. He's been actually taking
a lot of third team reps at least as of
right now. To start off. On the depth chart, bo
Nix is in the third position, even though I think
we all look at it and say, well, Nix will
eventually get the job at some point this year. So
just look at the contrast of styles. Are you more
of like with the Denver Sean Payton version of this
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where bo Nix has to earn it, He's got to
get up through the next three guys, or do you
look at what Washington's doing and saying, if I'm going
to start this rookie, I want to give him every
possible rep and chance I can before the start of
the real games come week one of the regular season
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I would say, in this particular two situations in comparison.
One coach has been there and has more of an
understanding and the lay of the land of what he needs.
He's already started to put his players into place for
more than a season Q. So I think with Sean
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Payton and his situation, the circumstances are different. He gets
to look at it from a different scope. He knows
the building, he knows the decision makers, he knows his personnel.
At this point with dan Quinn, he comes in as
a new guy and he has to learn those things.
He has to understand what he's up against and what
(25:50):
his personnel looks like. So you got a first time
well not first time head coach, but first you know,
this is his first year as the head coach of
this organization. So you come in and in your first
year you get the opportunity to get the Heisman Trophy
winners as your draft pick.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
I think that the.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Excitement and the possibilities that exist for the first year
head coach, it's way more valued and valuable that this
is your guy and it's your first year, so we
might as well be on this journey together. Let me
connect my and hitch my wagons to this guy in
(26:33):
my first season and see where we're at by season's end.
Whereas I think Sean Payton is looking at it like,
even though this is in my first year.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
And we've got a draft pick.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
In bo Nicks and he could possibly be that franchise
guy for us, I already have a structured idea and
a look. I've got to look at my structured plan
and my ideas play out during the course of a season.
And he may feel at this point that it makes
more sense to have bo Nicks where he is on
(27:03):
the depth chart versus just throwing him in there and
throwing him out because they did not come in together. Right,
it's his guy. He's there as the head coach, and
he's drafted him. It's his guy for all intents and purposes,
unless there was some type of disagreement on who he
wanted to draft. But he just doesn't have to approach
(27:24):
it the same way as a first year head coach
would approach it because he has more knowledge and more
understanding of exactly what it is that he wants to
do and how he wants it to play out.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I guess the question that comes to mind next thing
is and I think it's an easy answer, which leads
me to think that this decision is a little more
difficult for this coach, But which one's under more pressure.
I mean, I feel like it's Sean Payton, and it
lends me to think that if you start out this
(28:00):
season with Jeristidham. Then you have Zach Wilson go, then
it's the bonet. It almost is more of an indictment
on you. Sure, whereas if you bring out the rookie,
you go through some struggles early, you get that you're
gonna get that with the rookie. Everyone kind of knows
that and they buy into that. Now, that doesn't always
save a head coach his job. We've seen other head
coaches who have tried that strategy. Hey we're gonna draft
(28:21):
the rookie, the rookie's gonna play, and they haven't made
it the c year two. But in the case of
Sean Payton, you know, this is presumed to be his
pick in Bonicks and he obviously brought in Jeried'stidam, he
brought in Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And maybe he just doesn't care.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Maybe he just wants to say, hey, whoever the best
quarterback is, go out there and be the guy.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
But there are financial ramifications to this.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
There is a first round draft pick that's a part
of this, and I think more than that, there's probably
a thought to, well, look what you did with you know,
Russell Wilson. The one year he was here, he was
playing fine, and because you didn't want him, and the
salary cap hit and whatever else went on. He's now
no longer here and so we've kind of done this
(29:03):
whole deal of juggling, you know, players and different things
going on, Like can we just pick a guy and
go with them?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Like there's a little bit of that, I think too.
That plays a role.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think you're right, and the idea of put them
in and let's see where we're at with it. But
to answer the question, of course, the more pressure is
on Sean Payton.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
You know, he's come in. He shook things up.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
He took Russ's office away from him, and then he
took his job away from them all together, and then
he shipped them out.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
You can't get the office.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yeah, I just like it's just it makes it kind
of some comic.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Relief there, But I'm really and you shipped them away
for a pack of now laters and some nerds like
you didn't even it's not even like you got tremendous
value in letting him go. And this is someone that
you got to keep in mind if you follow the
money and and that that proves a level of the
importance of the player. This was a person that that
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the Denver Broncos heavily invested in. And so for that
to not work when you brought him in and you
go in a different direction and you draft a quarterback
with your first pick, and that first pick is not
starting at the quarterback position. This is one thing that
I'll say that kind of goes to your point and
just put him in and see where you're at, and
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people can accept if he struggles because he's a rookie.
But I ultimately think that coaches don't have like in
the old days, they don't have the grace period of
development anymore. We're seeing more and more coaches getting fired
sooner than we ever have. Some coaches don't even make
(30:37):
one year. That's crazy to even think. Some coaches don't
even make one full season in they're let go. And
so I would say Sean Payton is certainly under more pressure.
He's under a whole lot of scrutiny. And if he
doesn't play this the right way, like if it plays
out the way you said, Okay, Stidham doesn't work, sit
(30:59):
them down. Zach Wilson gets in, he doesn't work, sit
him down. You put in JJ McCarthy or I'm excuse me,
Bo Nicks. Okay, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But
now it's like he was your final frontier. So you're
not looking at it as Oh, our rookie isn't working
after the first two our third string quarterback can't get
(31:19):
it right either. What's the future look like for us
versus if you put him in and he struggles and
it's like, Oh, he's just he's a rookie and we
just got to push through the growing pains. I think
it raises the stakes for everyone if you're letting the
storyline play out that your number one draft pick is
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not only not good enough to be the backup to
the starter that you're going to have, but he's not
even good enough to be the second string guy behind
a former first round top draft pick and on this team.
So I think he has to be Sean Payton as
the coach of this team has to be very careful
because he has done really nothing to garner the respect
(32:03):
and the buy in and the trust of being the
head coach of this new franchise. You can't live on
the laurels that you have coming out in New Orleans
and what you've been able to accomplish there.
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So news came out that Kyler Murray wactually be sitting
out the entirety of the pre seas his way.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Kalamar, klamar, freud klamar. He'll be fried if you're in
Arizona this time of her Bort's hot.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
It's really hot.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
He'll be sitting out the preseason though, which you know,
like a I think we see this typically with some starters.
But you know, given he's missed some time from time
to time, does that make you more likely to sit
out a guy like that or are you still kind
of feeling like, hey, we're a young team. This is
a roster that's still building on. Jonathan Gannon, their head coach,
(34:16):
going into a second year. They were competitive last year,
showed a lot of fight. I mean, is there an
element of you saying like I want to see my
starter with some of these new guys we've brought onto
the roster and see how the operation is going to
go heading into week one.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I think if you have a quarterback with his type
of skill set like other running, mobile quarterbacks, I don't
see that, especially if they've had some time put in.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
I think we.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Established this and prior shows. If they're veterans, then you
measuring You weigh it by what you feel they need
in development, what you may or may not want to
see in film from them in games that don't count.
But if you add into the fact that this is
your quarterback, franchise quarterback, he's gotten paid, and he's a
(35:04):
running quarterback, I don't need to see Kyler Murray scramble
around and by time to deliver the ball to a
receiver in preseason and a lot of times that's where
the success comes from with this offense in particular.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
So I actually think.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That this is a wise move to hold Kyler Murray
out because I don't need to see that. As much
as it's exciting and I'd like to see Super Mario
movement and all that stuff and jumping over the mushrooms
and stuff like that, going down into the you know,
the tubes and stuff, the plumbing tubes. I don't want
to see it in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Is that a that a short show can make it?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
It'll be short work if if somebody happens, if one
of Cooper's men happened to get a hold of him
while he's you know, he's doing what he's doing. So
no time for no super Mario much rooms right now,
it's pre season.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Keep him out, Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I do think it's interesting as you look at Klamar
as we call him, ye, his his contract situation, because
it's one in which they when Jonathanon took this job,
he had to have known that he's going to be
attached to Caler Murray for the foreseeable future. His his
dead cap numbers are pretty significant, at least in the
short term. You know, even after this year that it'd
(36:27):
still be a sixty three million dollar cap hit if
they wanted to move on from him. So he had
to have known that now he doesn't have to take
care of him, he's got to build up a working relationship.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
With him, you know, which is in the past.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I think the whole idea of Cliff Kingsbury being in
Arizona was to pair him with Kyler Murray offensively to
see what they could do. And it worked to a
degree for the first three years. I mean, they made
the playoffs, they kept continually improving. However, as you kind
of you know, went further on, obviously injuries played a
role with Theandrea Hopkins missed the first six weeks.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Of that season and that kind.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Of basically spelled the end sometime. Yeah, and well, and
and Calumber's obviously missed some time now. But just kind
of going back through it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I'm saying Deandre's going to miss some time now for
them as well.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
So you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Just well, Deandre's not with him anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Who is he with Tennessee? Tennessee, That's right, but he's
he's out for a little bit. But yeah, you're right, right,
he isn't with them.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But the general point is is when they signed him
to the long term extension the organization, you know, it
really kind of made the next head coach have to
take this job knowing that, you know, whatever with the
whole video game playing clause and all that stuff that
came came to light, you know, it's it's there's gonna
have to be a working relationship, and so he's got
to protect him. He's got to, you know, make sure
(37:43):
he takes care of his guy, at least for the
foreseeable future, because it's not until twenty twenty six or
I think this team would would maybe even look at
making a change of quarterback, depending how the next couple
of years ago.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
But we're wrapping things up for this hour. Coming up
the next hour
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Petros Papa Dakas, he'll be taken over here on two
rows and a cup of pea, as he would like
to say,
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