August 7, 2024 • 37 mins
The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys to talk conference realignment and whether or not USC and Notre Dame should play each other anymore. LeBron cheers himself on in Paris and much more!
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but doing the two shows every day, separated by five
or six hours, it's hard to organize things in my mind,
which is kind of jumbled anyway. But Monday, we talked
about camp Right and what it's like to be LeVar,
just LeVar at State.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
College, camp right, you get that camp.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And we talked a little and we talked a little
bit about France and raised trip to France yesterday. I
feel like our conversation was dominated by Dion Right and
the Colorado situation, bets, debts, guns and fights in the
locker room, toes and ho well, we talked about the
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nineties the hose. Well, I don't know what's going on
in Colorado with hoes. Those guys make too much money.
Like I come from a time where the stipend check
would come and everybody would start betting in the locker room.
We even had like a roulette wheel and some guys
would lose their whole stipend day one. You know, that's
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a far cry from the nil and guys walking around
with hundreds of thousands of dollars or at least tens
of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
That's unheard of in our time.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But yeah, we talked about Dion and LeVar said they'd
be better this season. I don't think it's going to
end very well at Colorado. But most football stories don't
end well. I mean, and really no story ends the
only stories that end well just depends on where you
end your story. That's something that Orson Wells used to
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say all the time. But I don't know what's going
to happen with Colorado. We talked about it plenty yesterday.
There are some things to talk about today. Did you
guys miss any of the stuff you wanted to talk about,
like Lebron crowning himself when the French crowd was cheering
for another dude or anything.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, we were saving that actually for you.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
There's a number of topics we try to save for
you pet trows and that was one that when Viral
I noticed last night and I thought, man, it's just incredible,
even in a different country, he thinks they were talking
about him.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, yeah, I mean, look, it's easy if you're Lebron
James and very few of us can relate with these.
And I remember we used to talk about Kobe so incessantly,
you know, here in Los Angeles, and that became very sad,
of course in many ways. But the Lebron thing, if
you're Lebron James, it's understandable that you think or walk
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around thinking that you were the hero of every story,
right like that, everywhere you are, all eyes like the
Tupac album are on you. Like, I understand that, But
do you have to do the weird crowning thing. Can't
you just nod your head or something? I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Listen as showsmanship, I think that he understands that he
is one of the most polarizing athletes ever in the
history of sport. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Do you think you see him self as polarizing. I
think Kobe saw himself as polar I think he does.
I think he definitely does. I think he's aware of
how much the audiences pay attention to him, whether they're
fans or their detractors. You know, most would say mastering
the art of being the hell is actually more important
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than being the hero. You know, and you hear money
Mayweather bring that up, like when he was pretty Boy Floyd,
nobody gave an f about him and.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
What he did and how he did it. When he
put that one to bit and became the evil villain
that we all known that that came to know his
money Mayweather. That was when his fight persons went up.
That was when everybody paid more attention.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Do you feel like Lebron's the villain ever? I think
I don't think holding the American flag on the boat
on the sand.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Here's the reason why I say I think he does
is because he's fully aware of the amount of people
and there are influential you know, reporters and media that
villainized Lebron James. There's a multitude of them.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
So the outside might but I guess we're saying from
his perspective, like, I don't think he ever feels like
he's playing a villain role one percent.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
He does to those people though, like because you can't
please everyone.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But he's got.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
About three dozen people that just wash his ball no matter.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
What he's been and he's fully aware of that.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, yeah, they work for him and his agency, and
he's got Ward, Nick Wright and all those people. I mean,
am I wrong? I mean, isn't that like their whole job?
I mean, what about Wendy Wendy too, Well, yeah, there's
people who's entire like like uh, like you know, Charles
Dickens the writer, Like you can go to Harvard or
Bertley the way, yes, and you can find Dickenzie and
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professors right, professor that only studies Dickens like, you can
find those or you know or some other authors are
that way, meaning there are guys and women in the media.
Who's really only legitimacy coming up is covering Lebron no
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neck windhorse, who's more of a gobbler now because he's
got the ozempic so you can really gobble Lebron's knob
with his gobbler and then.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Uh, Skip isn't around to get him anymore. But no,
but they are around right.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Works for him.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Mcminnimon came out here to work for him, the girl
that came to work for Spectrum Sports.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Now I mean eliminated by adding them to his coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Mean it is.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It is an interesting thing, but I'm not exactly sure
how big of a deal it is. He's just looked like,
I mean, it's the same goofy look as when you
go and sit down in front of a bunch of
reporters from the book.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And so mine hasn't even worked. Here's why I read
this is.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Where I different from you, LeVar, because I never felt
in Petricks.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
You can correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I never felt like Kobe went to those lengths to
surround himself with people that would be able to tell
his side of it or his story. I think Kobe
was okay with people making him the villain.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You know, at first, when I first started working at
the Lakers station, you know which is I'm in a
good fifteen nineteen years ago now, Kobe would call in
and freak out, complain about Jerry Buss, and do all
kinds of crazy stuff, like he tried to leave the team.
I mean, there was so much drama that is just
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forgotten because it was kind of before social media was
exploding or I'm not exactly sure, but there was a
lot of stuff with Kobe. I think you're right though,
toward the end of Kobe's career, he didn't care and
he embraced the polarization. I'm not sure Lebron is the
same way embracing it.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I think, listen, whether he embraces it or not, he
is such a ginormous presence and I get that. But
the point is is that when you're that big of
a figure, and you're in every single facet of so
many conversations that are taking place, and you have the
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amount of detractors that he has. There are people that
just for the simple fact that they love Michael Jordan,
hate Lebron James, Like, don't just dislike him or try
to discredit him, they hate him. And he's fully aware
of that. Lebron James is fully aware of the people
that really really talk ill about him, and it matters
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to him.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It matters.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
But I guess what I'm saying is I think he's
trying to win them over, and I think there's elements
of him trying to I don't think he cared.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That's the point, and I get that, but I still
think that it drives him in a way. He's aware
of it and he embraces that because even even while
trying to win them over, the idea of people not
acknowledging him the way that he would like to be acknowledged,
I think he's aware of it, and I think you're
right about that, and I think he wants to be
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acknowledged as the best ever. I think he wants to
be reverenced and acknowledged a certain well the villain, and
but he embraces that because it's there. It is there,
and he's never going to he's never going to live
that down to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Own it, right, I mean, he's got all these people fired.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
You got you have to own it, you have to
own it. He has. He has gotten a lot of
head coaches, I.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Mean a lot of players moved and all that. But
that is not even what I want to talk talk
about today. I came with a topic. Oh okay, the topic.
I have been out of shape. I have been been
out of shape for weeks and weeks. Every time the
topic comes up, I get angry and I get white
hot inside angry.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
So you're going to bring it up.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I'm gonna bring it up. I prepare to discuss it.
I prepare to discuss it here, let's do it. I've
not discussed it on my radio show. I've not done
what I wanted to do, which is exclusive text. The
USC Athletic director sent her a couple texts and then
deleted them right before I sent them. You know what
I mean, because I was so I'm so fired up
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about this topic. Listen, let's hear it, and I believe
it will carry us into the next segment to the Blue.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Choe commercial, or least maybe even past that.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Okay, dang blue Choo. That's that's at that, that's halfway through.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Okay, all right now, Just because this doesn't involve your
alma matern LeVar, I mean, uh, does not mean that
do not value your opinion.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Okay. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
USC Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Lincoln Riley's hesitancy to embrace the USC Notre Dame rivalry
makes a lot of USC alums and fans feel extremely uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Are we aware of this story? Yep, Brady, of course,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I mean, it was okay to play Notre Dame for
sixteen years when there was a two team BCS playoff,
right yep.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And it was okay to play.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Notre Dame for ten straight years when there was a
fourteen college playoff format. But now that there's a twelve
team playoff, the USC head coach somehow doesn't have the
confidence in his program to secure one of those six
or seven wildcards.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Wow, risk it because it's USC Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean, would Lincoln Riley be more and his trojans
with a thirty two team playoff format? I mean how
many teams will be okay to where we can have
USC Notre Dame and some semblance of what college football
used to be like. At some point, I'd like Lincoln
Riley to take some personal accountability for accepting the USC
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head coaching job right when he exec When he accepted
his job, his message to USC fans and the lums
about the twenty twenty two season was USC fans should
feel great knowing that moving forward, this is the worst
team we will ever have here. And that sounded pretty
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over the top cocky at the time. But you give
a new coach that kind of latitude to set a
foundation and blah blah blah. But when he could only
lead USC to a seven and five record in twenty
twenty three with a Heisman winning quarterback Caleb Williams, who
wants you to clean up the bottles in the locker
room even though he's not even looked through a face
mask at that level. Yet in a real game, you
clean the bottles.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I read a piece and I'm sure you read it
as well.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Petros By Bill Plashki about the question of whether or
not Lincoln Riley can coach.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, well, it sounds and all that stuff. Sounds pretty embarrassing.
When Caleb Williams last fourteen starts at USC they went
seven and seven, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Especially for the caliber of player that was looked at
as a generational talent and the number one overall picked
by the entire NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
I don't know that there was a ton of difference
on anyone's draft boards as far as what they feel
like Caleb Williams was as a prospect.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
People might have tried.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
To talk him down throughout the evaluation process, but that
was the reality of every team I spoke to.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Sounds consensus correct.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And Lincoln Riley can't say for sure how he feels
about the Trojans playing Notre Dame every year, and so to.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Get to that, you know, I can understand, I'm saying
from his perspective, I can understand why if you were
struggling to put down and create the foundation of the
culture that you're trying to build there, which you know,
it's always tough looking at coaches in the first two
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or three years taking over a college job because really,
up until recently, it's hard to turn over a roster.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You know, you were living with those recruits. And so
even though you're.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Trying to implement this this change in the environment and
the culture. There's still all this holdover from guys who
came to play for a different coach, came to play
in a different culture and environment team, and so you're
trying to convert those guys and meanwhile try to integrate new.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Guys coming in.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
And now maybe that sounds like an excuse because they
have hit the portal. They've they've gone to try to
get defensive talent improvement there. They've they've tried to hit
the trenches to improve, which they're going to have to
if they're playing in the Big ten.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
But it's always interesting too if they wanted to compete
in the past.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I mean, forget the Pac twelve for a national championship,
right anything.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I mean when USC has been great throughout generations in
clear good line, D line. They've developed and recruited O
line and D line locally mostly which you can do
at SC and very few on the West Coast can,
if anybody, but USC. They did what Michigan did. They
developed and grew their line and dominated people in the
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fourth quarter with the run, just like every other team
that wins a championship.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
And That's the thing that always stood out to me
from I would say playing against the greatest era of
USC football.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You might disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
I feel like those USC teams that Pete Carroll coached
back in my era Notre Dame was probably the best
version of USC maybe ever in modern era.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's for sure, right and.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Maybe up for debate with some of the other teams
throughout the decades. But what stood out to me was
we always talk about Matt and Reggie and Lindale and
their skill position players, but I always thought the biggest
mismatch for US was always our O line versus their
D line. I mean that that group up front, and
really their defense, their linebackers too.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean, they had three guys who own the first round.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
But when I when I look back and think about that,
like that's been one of the missing pieces.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But well, yeah, now we get out through defense, and
they were t P. Carroll was a defensive coordinator. They
competed in practice. I mean, they had it going on.
There's no argument here, Brady.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
So to quickly, like you know, respond to what you
have said, like, yes, it's it's actually kind of tragic
in some ways that you have a head coach on
one side of a rivalry that's existed forever and the
history behind it and what it means to me as
a Notre Dame alum, I think what it means to
Southern cal fans.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
And along, Yeah, Lincoln, he doesn't, he's from Mules Shoot Texas.
You can't come and tell USC people that they don't
get to play Notre Dame everybody.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
But that's where I would argue he should because if
you were a fan of college football, you know that
this is what the that's the longest any of the
greatest transcontent robbery.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
There is, and the history behind it.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
So if you know college football and as a coach,
I don't care where you goro up, especially in state,
it's extus. They know football, they should be able to
say like this, ROVALI will always be a part of
our scheduling, regardless of our status, what conference are, regardless
of whether Notre names in a conference or not.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
That should always be a part of it.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Now, LeVar might be rolling his eyes right because for me,
starting in what what like twenty ten, it was tradition
and geography be damned. The conference realignment cost US Penn State,
Pitt It cost us the backyard Brawl, it canceled Texas Texas,
A and M for a while, it canceled the border
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war between Kansas and Missoo, Free State Brewing, and several
more rivalries I'm leaving out. I think they might have
missed the Holy War for a year or two, and
ultimately it led to the destruction of the Pac twelve
and it ruined over one hundred years of rivalry and tradition.
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But does that mean we need to lose USC in
Notre Dame two? I mean, haven't we lost enough of
our identity in the sport already?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I think you guys get an opportunity to re establish
yourselves by one, how you play, but two, you're playing
in now a conference where the coverage will be much
different than what it ever has been.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
For USC football of art.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yes, yes, and that's because the footprint is not limited
to pack twelve audiences. I think in a lot of ways,
while it disrupts and disturbs the things you guys are
talking about, I think it ultimately gives USC football a
level of I guess you know, exposure that they've never had.
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And it's a big ass school. It's a storied franchise.
You guys have so many Heisman Trophy winners, you have
so many big name, big name players that have come
from USC, but you've never had this type of a
footprint to introduce players that have been amazing players for
the game at the pro level. You've never had an opportunity,
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A large, large sector of the sporting community has never
gotten an opportunity to get to know them on a
different level. And I think that that's now open.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
So they disagree with that, I really do, because I
think USC football moves the needle nationally and always has
and that's why. That's why, Yeah, that's you know, from
Frank Gifford to O. J. Simpson, the USC is the
only thing people would pay attention to on the West coast,
which is.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Why so, But what about what about the East?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Well, no people from the East coast would pay attention
to on the West coast. Nobody on the East coast
cared about anything else, or paid it or kept up
with anything else other than USC.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And that might be an argument.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I generally I would just say I beg to differ,
but we could agree to disagree on it. I don't
think USC football is very relevant on the East.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
No, not in the last Well, I mean they had
a Heisman winner two years ago came from the East Coast.
I think you're right, But I think if there's any
West Coast team that's ever been relevant on the East Coast.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's USC.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And that's why USC plays Notre Dame and that's why
they've done it for one hundred years. And instead of
waffling about the rivalry, I would rather Lincoln Riley take
a stand for the hard and soul or college football's
absolute survival and say we can't wait to play them
every year.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Hell's the matter with you?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
By the way, look at it from the opposite perspective.
You don't hear Marcus Freeman complaining about the schedule Notre
Name has you know, you don't hear him complaining about
having to play us.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
We might have to get out of this now that
we play this tough ACC schedule.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, I mean you can, I mean laugh. But again
I don't hear him saying that I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Well, I'm not so say they played Ohio State last
year early in the sea, Well that's what he doesn't
look at it and color at it.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
But yeah, I don't think he does I agree with you, Brady.
I'm on your side, Brady.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I I I understand, I understand roll here.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I think I think one of the things to go
back to what you and LeVar are just touching on
in regards to USC it's relevance is one thing, right
because I think it obviously depends on the success of
the program. Like USC is a blue blood. No one's
going to deny that as far as their their relevance. Relevancy,
I guess is one way of putting it. But I
would say it's a respect thing. I think on the
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East Coast there's not as much respect for the type
of brand of football that that USC has been talk
about it and I think that's the reality of it is.
And we've had this conversation and like it's this is
a real conversation because you're.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
From the West.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I don't disagree with that. We we we live on
the East Coast.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
And like every time those matchups come up between you know,
a big ten pack twelve school which now we've got
some of the schools get bullied by Yeah, like like
they're just like okay, yeah, bring your little soft soft
game out here in the East.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Coast, running gun your a little running shoot off, and
that's honestly.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
The beauty about this entire discussion.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, you know, we're just talking, you know what I mean,
like Jones, Yeah, you know, goes back back bar though.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But the beauty about it is with the conference reliance.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
We get that now every week in some cases because
of the conference re alignment. But going back to Notre
Dame USC, that was a part of it, Like Notre
Dame is not a Big ten school, but they're in
Big ten country, and it always felt like there was
that contrasting style to the play to role in the rivalry,
and that's something that I.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Think is I mean maybe in the last fifteen years,
but not when you played.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Not always represented the East versus the West, though Notre
Dame is our representation to kicking the s out of
the West coast. That's people come together to watch Notre
Dame beat up on USC.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
And think about when they do win, right, it's typically
defense running, like that's that's the style in which Notre
Dame is going to play to beat us.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
You're not gonna have now the USC plays the beat
Notre Dame when they used to.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
And now all I get to see if that's the
style that.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that from my experience with
line or guys like Carson Palmer, guys, we just.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Talked about how great their d line was. You said
that was the only mismanch.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
The defensive line. It's still a mismatch.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
That was my Herefront two where you had guys who
are being drafted in the first round, like that's more
of a matchup deal. I'm just saying, if you look
at the formula for how typically Notre Dame is trying
to go win that game. It's shortened the clock, limiting
possessions because you're concerned about the mismatch with their offense
and your defense.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
They used to call the rivalry back in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,
big Man on Big Man. It was about the size
and strength of USC, the Anthony Munos, the Tony Bacelli's
against you know, Stonebreaker and Zorich and all that that was.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I mean USC's lost that identity and now they have
Lincoln Riley, a run and shoot coach LeVar sitting here waffling, not.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Even playing about even playing the game.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
What was Bill Walsh's offense called.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
What was it the West Coast offense?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
West coast? What was the other one that's called or
maybe air area. I think of air raid is an
air raid?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's how mummy that doesn't come from the West coast.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Yeah, something that's where Lincoln Riley is, you know, Mike Leeches.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Mike started an Oklahoma point. Is what I'm saying is,
I don't care. Yeah, I gotta make you got to
bring relevance to what USC is. That's put it in perspective,
do something in this big ten market, and USC.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Petros LeVar is basically saying that until USC does something,
they're not going to earn their respect if anyone in
the Big ten.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of how every one of
those teams are being looked at.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Well, didn't Washington just play for the college title and
then they got ten?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Now they got beat by Michigan.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, they beat Texas though I mean didn't I mean,
I just I mean Michigan just finally won a title.
It's like, you know, they've been three years ago. They
we're talking about getting rind of Harball right after COVID.
You guys are prisoners of the moment and I'm talking
about perspective and history.
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Speaker 3 (25:52):
We were talking about the USC Notre Dame rivalry. Uh,
we were talking about not playing it anymore and whether
or not that make sense and if that tears Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Does anyone think that though, like they actually shouldn't outside
of Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, the athletic director Jen Cohen answered the question in
a kind of a very sort of mysterious way. So
maybe it's his Boston that's saying this, nor I think
she just said that because Lincoln Riley has been so
weird about it.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I mean, look, you guys know me.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
My context to USC football comes from my dad playing
for John McKay in the sixties and seventies. I played
there with my brother in the nineties for John Robinson
and Paul Hackett, and then I closely covered the Pete
Carroll's nine seasons and Kiffen and Sark. And the one
thing Pete Carroll had in common with McKay and John
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Robinson was they wanted to play as many good teams
as possible, right, you know us he played teams in
the Pack eight in the seventies, and my dad's junior
season they played non conference games against Alabama, Nebraska, Iowa,
and Notre Dame, those teams you were talking about, Brady
Well six. A little later they had nine league games
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and there are other three games were Arkansas, Nebraska, and
Notre Dame. I mean, for decades, not many teams scheduled
as bravely as USC. And on the opposite end of
the spectrum. Now this offseason, the loudest stories have been
USC is trying to get out of their game against LSU,
and now Lincoln Riley isn't sure they could continue against
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Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
What's the feeling going to be?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
I mean, obviously you're speaking from your perspective, but I
think you represent probably.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
A lot of USC fans.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
What's the feeling going to be if Week one they
get blown out by LSU?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, is there any hot seat at all to
be a lot like it?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Big?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
No, I think it's hot. I mean it's a ninety
million dollar thing though. I mean that's what they paid
him to show up, So I mean, I think there'll
be a lot of chatter. I mean, you just told me.
Over the offseason, Bill Plashki wrote it. I mean just
now wrote an article and the question is can Lincoln
riding coach? You know? I mean we knew he could
coach LeVar when he was at Oklahoma building an offense
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and they had such a great structure and a great program.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
But you think he can do that out here?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
It remains to be seen, and I think it's a
daunting task to actually have to do it in the
Big Ten. I mean, I think, if we're being honest,
going into the Big Ten in the schedule that they
will have.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Should they be so scared of playing Luke Fickle.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
See I don't, I mean, I don't think it comes
down to being scared. Then, Yeah, that is an interesting
thing to deal with. But I just think that you
have more quality opponents that there story about that, oh geez,
I mean it was over what happened. He was beating
as out of them. Ron Daan had went in the back.
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He had went to the back. We hit him so
hard he had to go back into the locker room.
It was just it was our game. We owned it.
And then jump Around came on and something happened and
Ron day came out of the locker room and he
did it. Yes the hell he did that. Jump Around
brought him out of the locker room.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You know what he did. Then he hit some real weed.
They got some caliweed for him, not the Texans shake.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
He was injected that that cali weed into his system.
Because he came back and was a different man. Do
you remember you remember Cinderella man Like, hey, he came out,
he went to the corner. He's like, yeah, it ain't
the same.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Man like the last boy scout. He just started shooting
everybody spot.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
It was bad. It was carnage. After jump Around came on,
the whole thing changed.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I called a game once it was Codson and I
swear to God in the same game, and I guess
this would be bad for SC no matter who's coaching there.
In the same game, it snowed, it rained, it hailed,
and the sun came.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Out, and I was like, Wow, this is.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
A pretty significant, uh place to play anyway, I just
I'm upset. I'm upset that USC's traditions like playing Notre
Dame are too much for Lincoln Riley. If that's the case,
the job's going to eat him up like it did
Paul Hackett and Larry Smith and whoever else Sark and Kiffin.
My advice when asked about the Notre Dame rivalry, Tell
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reporters the truth that your boss Jen Cohen makes the
schedule and you just call the plays m and that's
the truth.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Roll them under the bus, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
What's coming up next?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Blue Chew?
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Well, yeah, but after I get my priapism.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Another cup so we could fill it up.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Do you know what I don't know? It is? A
priapism is an erection that lasts longer than four hours.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Oh wow, that's.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
When you need to see the doctor.
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Speaker 3 (31:29):
We started out today talking about what we think about
what Lebron might think about Lebron. Yeah, and then I
got excited talking about the USC Notre Dame rivalry yea,
and well what bothers me?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You could stand up?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well, you guys, you guys don't think I have a
lot more respect for Penn State and the way they
run their program and Notre Dame especially and the way
they're franchise or whatever you want to call it is
run than USC. And I think I think USC has
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been mismanaged, and I think the Clay hell Narra almost
bled the whole thing out to where it's unrecognizable to
all these things. So I and I don't think you
guys understand I don't care if USC loses every I
don't care if they lose to Rutgers. You still got
to play Notre Dame every year. And if you don't
play Notre Dame every year, then we don't have USC
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football anymore, and then we don't really have Notre Dame
football anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And the fruit, to me, that's the truth.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And to me, if college football gets more and more
like that, the more and more we try to make
it like pro football, we even have a goddamn two
minute warning now, the less and less it's going to
be appealing, because why not just watch pro football?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know? What are we going to do? Move the
hash marks to That's what bothers.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Me about it. I just wanted to make my statement clear.
I don't care if they lose. You can understand why
you're bothered. We can understand that I really didn't have
more besides that. That's all I had for you.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
I mean, I was going to say that I do
feel like similar to the PAC twelve. You know, it's
from an institution standpoint, the athletic director position at USC,
I think is what has failed the football program in particular,
but even the PAC twelve for that matter, right, Like,
I think those individuals are culpable as anyone else, wow
for not helping to guide it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Is that in the university presence.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, President's I mean, I'm sure the ads would have
probably done a better deal, But don't.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
You feel like when like I always feel like with
strong athletic directors, the president's kind of Look, I don't
want to get into the weeds about structure.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But you've got to have a bit president and an
AD and a head coach that all work together.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Otherwise you can't have a successful foot.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
That's very difficult to accomplish.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, you have to have a president that understands the
power of an athletics department that can literally fund all
the academic stuff that no one's going to fund if
their football.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Team isn't that good. But let's be real.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, Well, and then you also have to ask yourself
the question, why do we have a billion dollar industry
of guys dressed up in plastic outfits running into each other,
wrapped up within our institutions of higher education. But perhaps
that's another question for a loftier show.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Maybe a question for.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Tomorrow is and I saw an article written about the
nil ERA and NCAA sports and how it will impact
potentially the Olympics, because because the Olympics, the United States
has always benefited from the NCAA sports, a lot of
the Olympic sports, in particular being feeders into our Olympic
teams and the development and all that, and how our
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system obviously has clearly worked as compared to other countries that.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Every international athletes like working out at Texas or Maryland
or USC or Stanford.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
The Sweden pool vaulter, the guy who won, he's from Louisiana. One.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
We know why he won because he's hung like a
light switch.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
That's the that's the French guy who's Italian. Well, no,
that guy though, like that guy's Petro guy one.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Because his boots because because his poll didn't get in
the way exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I mean it seems like he hit some decent clearance.
I mean that that poo would happen, all right. I
respect them.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Just making a penis joke, right, Brady, just making a
dirty penis joke.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
We understand, Petros, we understand exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I see anyway, it is. It's a very it's a
it's an interesting conversation. And the more and more college
football changes, the more rapidly it changes, the harder it is.
I think for everybody to kind of reconcile what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And I don't, but it's not that far away. College
football is almost here.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Men.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
You have to get Nobody knows what the season is
gonna be, like, it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Be so, it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
It's gonna be football guys in plastic uniforms slamming into
each other.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It's gonna feel weird without my pack twelve.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's I mean, that's ultimately what all of this angst
and and you know, all these hard feelings, that's where
it's coming from. And you should feel that way, you
really should so. But but think about it this way.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Can I be honest? You all should have just everyone should.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Have went to independent football and then they let the
other sports the conferences would still remain.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Well, that's spoken very well by an independent Yeah, exactly.
You guys are both sious towards something. I just think
that you were in the US. I was dependent. My
school wasn't we were independent? Yeah, but Big Ten put
a ring on it and we've been there ever since.
And you know, I just I think this could be
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a great feel good story. Yeah, thank you. It could
be a horrible story for the Penn State traditionalists if
if the PAC twelve teams come in and have the
success that you know would lead to a great feel
good story, I think Washington and could really do that.
Now as far as USC and UCLA, I just think
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that that question is a tremendously large question that remains.
But if they play well, then they become like national
folk heroes all over again. So there's that. There's the
opportunity and the Big Ten not the pack. Pack is strong,
that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
So there you go, Petro State fired up though, buddy,
host Football's almost here.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
You No, I'm done.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I've exhausted all of my topics and tomorrow you guys
are gonna have to carry me like Forrest Gump carried
Lieutenant Dan out of the jungle in Vietnam.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
The beauty of it all is that the show is
over now, so you know it's all good.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
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but doing the two shows every day, separated by five
or six hours, it's hard to organize things in my mind,
which is kind of jumbled anyway. But Monday, we talked
about camp Right and what it's like to be LeVar,
just LeVar at State.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
College, camp right, you get that camp.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And we talked a little and we talked a little
bit about France and raised trip to France yesterday. I
feel like our conversation was dominated by Dion Right and
the Colorado situation, bets, debts, guns and fights in the
locker room, toes and ho well, we talked about the
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nineties the hose. Well, I don't know what's going on
in Colorado with hoes. Those guys make too much money.
Like I come from a time where the stipend check
would come and everybody would start betting in the locker room.
We even had like a roulette wheel and some guys
would lose their whole stipend day one. You know, that's
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a far cry from the nil and guys walking around
with hundreds of thousands of dollars or at least tens
of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
That's unheard of in our time.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But yeah, we talked about Dion and LeVar said they'd
be better this season. I don't think it's going to
end very well at Colorado. But most football stories don't
end well. I mean, and really no story ends the
only stories that end well just depends on where you
end your story. That's something that Orson Wells used to
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say all the time. But I don't know what's going
to happen with Colorado. We talked about it plenty yesterday.
There are some things to talk about today. Did you
guys miss any of the stuff you wanted to talk about,
like Lebron crowning himself when the French crowd was cheering
for another dude or anything.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, we were saving that actually for you.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
There's a number of topics we try to save for
you pet trows and that was one that when Viral
I noticed last night and I thought, man, it's just incredible,
even in a different country, he thinks they were talking
about him.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, yeah, I mean, look, it's easy if you're Lebron
James and very few of us can relate with these.
And I remember we used to talk about Kobe so incessantly,
you know, here in Los Angeles, and that became very sad,
of course in many ways. But the Lebron thing, if
you're Lebron James, it's understandable that you think or walk
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around thinking that you were the hero of every story,
right like that, everywhere you are, all eyes like the
Tupac album are on you. Like, I understand that, But
do you have to do the weird crowning thing. Can't
you just nod your head or something? I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Listen as showsmanship, I think that he understands that he
is one of the most polarizing athletes ever in the
history of sport. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Do you think you see him self as polarizing. I
think Kobe saw himself as polar I think he does.
I think he definitely does. I think he's aware of
how much the audiences pay attention to him, whether they're
fans or their detractors. You know, most would say mastering
the art of being the hell is actually more important
(04:53):
than being the hero. You know, and you hear money
Mayweather bring that up, like when he was pretty Boy Floyd,
nobody gave an f about him and.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
What he did and how he did it. When he
put that one to bit and became the evil villain
that we all known that that came to know his
money Mayweather. That was when his fight persons went up.
That was when everybody paid more attention.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Do you feel like Lebron's the villain ever? I think
I don't think holding the American flag on the boat
on the sand.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Here's the reason why I say I think he does
is because he's fully aware of the amount of people
and there are influential you know, reporters and media that
villainized Lebron James. There's a multitude of them.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
So the outside might but I guess we're saying from
his perspective, like, I don't think he ever feels like
he's playing a villain role one percent.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
He does to those people though, like because you can't
please everyone.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But he's got.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
About three dozen people that just wash his ball no matter.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
What he's been and he's fully aware of that.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, yeah, they work for him and his agency, and
he's got Ward, Nick Wright and all those people. I mean,
am I wrong? I mean, isn't that like their whole job?
I mean, what about Wendy Wendy too, Well, yeah, there's
people who's entire like like uh, like you know, Charles
Dickens the writer, Like you can go to Harvard or
Bertley the way, yes, and you can find Dickenzie and
(06:19):
professors right, professor that only studies Dickens like, you can
find those or you know or some other authors are
that way, meaning there are guys and women in the media.
Who's really only legitimacy coming up is covering Lebron no
(06:40):
neck windhorse, who's more of a gobbler now because he's
got the ozempic so you can really gobble Lebron's knob
with his gobbler and then.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Uh, Skip isn't around to get him anymore. But no,
but they are around right.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Works for him.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Mcminnimon came out here to work for him, the girl
that came to work for Spectrum Sports.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Now I mean eliminated by adding them to his coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Mean it is.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It is an interesting thing, but I'm not exactly sure
how big of a deal it is. He's just looked like,
I mean, it's the same goofy look as when you
go and sit down in front of a bunch of
reporters from the book.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And so mine hasn't even worked. Here's why I read
this is.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Where I different from you, LeVar, because I never felt
in Petricks.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
You can correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I never felt like Kobe went to those lengths to
surround himself with people that would be able to tell
his side of it or his story. I think Kobe
was okay with people making him the villain.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You know, at first, when I first started working at
the Lakers station, you know which is I'm in a
good fifteen nineteen years ago now, Kobe would call in
and freak out, complain about Jerry Buss, and do all
kinds of crazy stuff, like he tried to leave the team.
I mean, there was so much drama that is just
(08:00):
forgotten because it was kind of before social media was
exploding or I'm not exactly sure, but there was a
lot of stuff with Kobe. I think you're right though,
toward the end of Kobe's career, he didn't care and
he embraced the polarization. I'm not sure Lebron is the
same way embracing it.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I think, listen, whether he embraces it or not, he
is such a ginormous presence and I get that. But
the point is is that when you're that big of
a figure, and you're in every single facet of so
many conversations that are taking place, and you have the
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amount of detractors that he has. There are people that
just for the simple fact that they love Michael Jordan,
hate Lebron James, Like, don't just dislike him or try
to discredit him, they hate him. And he's fully aware
of that. Lebron James is fully aware of the people
that really really talk ill about him, and it matters
(09:02):
to him.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It matters.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
But I guess what I'm saying is I think he's
trying to win them over, and I think there's elements
of him trying to I don't think he cared.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That's the point, and I get that, but I still
think that it drives him in a way. He's aware
of it and he embraces that because even even while
trying to win them over, the idea of people not
acknowledging him the way that he would like to be acknowledged,
I think he's aware of it, and I think you're
right about that, and I think he wants to be
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acknowledged as the best ever. I think he wants to
be reverenced and acknowledged a certain well the villain, and
but he embraces that because it's there. It is there,
and he's never going to he's never going to live
that down to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Own it, right, I mean, he's got all these people fired.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
You got you have to own it, you have to
own it. He has. He has gotten a lot of
head coaches, I.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Mean a lot of players moved and all that. But
that is not even what I want to talk talk
about today. I came with a topic. Oh okay, the topic.
I have been out of shape. I have been been
out of shape for weeks and weeks. Every time the
topic comes up, I get angry and I get white
hot inside angry.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
So you're going to bring it up.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I'm gonna bring it up. I prepare to discuss it.
I prepare to discuss it here, let's do it. I've
not discussed it on my radio show. I've not done
what I wanted to do, which is exclusive text. The
USC Athletic director sent her a couple texts and then
deleted them right before I sent them. You know what
I mean, because I was so I'm so fired up
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about this topic. Listen, let's hear it, and I believe
it will carry us into the next segment to the Blue.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Choe commercial, or least maybe even past that.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Okay, dang blue Choo. That's that's at that, that's halfway through.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Okay, all right now, Just because this doesn't involve your
alma matern LeVar, I mean, uh, does not mean that
do not value your opinion.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Okay. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
USC Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Lincoln Riley's hesitancy to embrace the USC Notre Dame rivalry
makes a lot of USC alums and fans feel extremely uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Are we aware of this story? Yep, Brady, of course,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I mean, it was okay to play Notre Dame for
sixteen years when there was a two team BCS playoff,
right yep.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And it was okay to play.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Notre Dame for ten straight years when there was a
fourteen college playoff format. But now that there's a twelve
team playoff, the USC head coach somehow doesn't have the
confidence in his program to secure one of those six
or seven wildcards.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Wow, risk it because it's USC Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean, would Lincoln Riley be more and his trojans
with a thirty two team playoff format? I mean how
many teams will be okay to where we can have
USC Notre Dame and some semblance of what college football
used to be like. At some point, I'd like Lincoln
Riley to take some personal accountability for accepting the USC
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head coaching job right when he exec When he accepted
his job, his message to USC fans and the lums
about the twenty twenty two season was USC fans should
feel great knowing that moving forward, this is the worst
team we will ever have here. And that sounded pretty
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over the top cocky at the time. But you give
a new coach that kind of latitude to set a
foundation and blah blah blah. But when he could only
lead USC to a seven and five record in twenty
twenty three with a Heisman winning quarterback Caleb Williams, who
wants you to clean up the bottles in the locker
room even though he's not even looked through a face
mask at that level. Yet in a real game, you
clean the bottles.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I read a piece and I'm sure you read it
as well.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Petros By Bill Plashki about the question of whether or
not Lincoln Riley can coach.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, well, it sounds and all that stuff. Sounds pretty embarrassing.
When Caleb Williams last fourteen starts at USC they went
seven and seven, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Especially for the caliber of player that was looked at
as a generational talent and the number one overall picked
by the entire NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
I don't know that there was a ton of difference
on anyone's draft boards as far as what they feel
like Caleb Williams was as a prospect.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
People might have tried.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
To talk him down throughout the evaluation process, but that
was the reality of every team I spoke to.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Sounds consensus correct.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And Lincoln Riley can't say for sure how he feels
about the Trojans playing Notre Dame every year, and so to.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Get to that, you know, I can understand, I'm saying
from his perspective, I can understand why if you were
struggling to put down and create the foundation of the
culture that you're trying to build there, which you know,
it's always tough looking at coaches in the first two
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or three years taking over a college job because really,
up until recently, it's hard to turn over a roster.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You know, you were living with those recruits. And so
even though you're.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Trying to implement this this change in the environment and
the culture. There's still all this holdover from guys who
came to play for a different coach, came to play
in a different culture and environment team, and so you're
trying to convert those guys and meanwhile try to integrate new.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Guys coming in.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
And now maybe that sounds like an excuse because they
have hit the portal. They've they've gone to try to
get defensive talent improvement there. They've they've tried to hit
the trenches to improve, which they're going to have to
if they're playing in the Big ten.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
But it's always interesting too if they wanted to compete
in the past.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I mean, forget the Pac twelve for a national championship,
right anything.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I mean when USC has been great throughout generations in
clear good line, D line. They've developed and recruited O
line and D line locally mostly which you can do
at SC and very few on the West Coast can,
if anybody, but USC. They did what Michigan did. They
developed and grew their line and dominated people in the
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fourth quarter with the run, just like every other team
that wins a championship.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
And That's the thing that always stood out to me
from I would say playing against the greatest era of
USC football.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You might disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
I feel like those USC teams that Pete Carroll coached
back in my era Notre Dame was probably the best
version of USC maybe ever in modern era.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's for sure, right and.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Maybe up for debate with some of the other teams
throughout the decades. But what stood out to me was
we always talk about Matt and Reggie and Lindale and
their skill position players, but I always thought the biggest
mismatch for US was always our O line versus their
D line. I mean that that group up front, and
really their defense, their linebackers too.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean, they had three guys who own the first round.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
But when I when I look back and think about that,
like that's been one of the missing pieces.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But well, yeah, now we get out through defense, and
they were t P. Carroll was a defensive coordinator. They
competed in practice. I mean, they had it going on.
There's no argument here, Brady.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
So to quickly, like you know, respond to what you
have said, like, yes, it's it's actually kind of tragic
in some ways that you have a head coach on
one side of a rivalry that's existed forever and the
history behind it and what it means to me as
a Notre Dame alum, I think what it means to
Southern cal fans.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
And along, Yeah, Lincoln, he doesn't, he's from Mules Shoot Texas.
You can't come and tell USC people that they don't
get to play Notre Dame everybody.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
But that's where I would argue he should because if
you were a fan of college football, you know that
this is what the that's the longest any of the
greatest transcontent robbery.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
There is, and the history behind it.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
So if you know college football and as a coach,
I don't care where you goro up, especially in state,
it's extus. They know football, they should be able to
say like this, ROVALI will always be a part of
our scheduling, regardless of our status, what conference are, regardless
of whether Notre names in a conference or not.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
That should always be a part of it.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Now, LeVar might be rolling his eyes right because for me,
starting in what what like twenty ten, it was tradition
and geography be damned. The conference realignment cost US Penn State,
Pitt It cost us the backyard Brawl, it canceled Texas Texas,
A and M for a while, it canceled the border
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war between Kansas and Missoo, Free State Brewing, and several
more rivalries I'm leaving out. I think they might have
missed the Holy War for a year or two, and
ultimately it led to the destruction of the Pac twelve
and it ruined over one hundred years of rivalry and tradition.
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But does that mean we need to lose USC in
Notre Dame two? I mean, haven't we lost enough of
our identity in the sport already?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I think you guys get an opportunity to re establish
yourselves by one, how you play, but two, you're playing
in now a conference where the coverage will be much
different than what it ever has been.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
For USC football of art.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yes, yes, and that's because the footprint is not limited
to pack twelve audiences. I think in a lot of ways,
while it disrupts and disturbs the things you guys are
talking about, I think it ultimately gives USC football a
level of I guess you know, exposure that they've never had.
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And it's a big ass school. It's a storied franchise.
You guys have so many Heisman Trophy winners, you have
so many big name, big name players that have come
from USC, but you've never had this type of a
footprint to introduce players that have been amazing players for
the game at the pro level. You've never had an opportunity,
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A large, large sector of the sporting community has never
gotten an opportunity to get to know them on a
different level. And I think that that's now open.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
So they disagree with that, I really do, because I
think USC football moves the needle nationally and always has
and that's why. That's why, Yeah, that's you know, from
Frank Gifford to O. J. Simpson, the USC is the
only thing people would pay attention to on the West coast,
which is.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Why so, But what about what about the East?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Well, no people from the East coast would pay attention
to on the West coast. Nobody on the East coast
cared about anything else, or paid it or kept up
with anything else other than USC.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And that might be an argument.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I generally I would just say I beg to differ,
but we could agree to disagree on it. I don't
think USC football is very relevant on the East.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
No, not in the last Well, I mean they had
a Heisman winner two years ago came from the East Coast.
I think you're right, But I think if there's any
West Coast team that's ever been relevant on the East Coast.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's USC.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And that's why USC plays Notre Dame and that's why
they've done it for one hundred years. And instead of
waffling about the rivalry, I would rather Lincoln Riley take
a stand for the hard and soul or college football's
absolute survival and say we can't wait to play them
every year.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Hell's the matter with you?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
By the way, look at it from the opposite perspective.
You don't hear Marcus Freeman complaining about the schedule Notre
Name has you know, you don't hear him complaining about
having to play us.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
We might have to get out of this now that
we play this tough ACC schedule.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, I mean you can, I mean laugh. But again
I don't hear him saying that I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Well, I'm not so say they played Ohio State last
year early in the sea, Well that's what he doesn't
look at it and color at it.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
But yeah, I don't think he does I agree with you, Brady.
I'm on your side, Brady.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I I I understand, I understand roll here.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I think I think one of the things to go
back to what you and LeVar are just touching on
in regards to USC it's relevance is one thing, right
because I think it obviously depends on the success of
the program. Like USC is a blue blood. No one's
going to deny that as far as their their relevance. Relevancy,
I guess is one way of putting it. But I
would say it's a respect thing. I think on the
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East Coast there's not as much respect for the type
of brand of football that that USC has been talk
about it and I think that's the reality of it is.
And we've had this conversation and like it's this is
a real conversation because you're.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
From the West.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I don't disagree with that. We we we live on
the East Coast.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
And like every time those matchups come up between you know,
a big ten pack twelve school which now we've got
some of the schools get bullied by Yeah, like like
they're just like okay, yeah, bring your little soft soft
game out here in the East.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Coast, running gun your a little running shoot off, and
that's honestly.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
The beauty about this entire discussion.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, you know, we're just talking, you know what I mean,
like Jones, Yeah, you know, goes back back bar though.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But the beauty about it is with the conference reliance.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
We get that now every week in some cases because
of the conference re alignment. But going back to Notre
Dame USC, that was a part of it, Like Notre
Dame is not a Big ten school, but they're in
Big ten country, and it always felt like there was
that contrasting style to the play to role in the rivalry,
and that's something that I.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Think is I mean maybe in the last fifteen years,
but not when you played.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Not always represented the East versus the West, though Notre
Dame is our representation to kicking the s out of
the West coast. That's people come together to watch Notre
Dame beat up on USC.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
And think about when they do win, right, it's typically
defense running, like that's that's the style in which Notre
Dame is going to play to beat us.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
You're not gonna have now the USC plays the beat
Notre Dame when they used to.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
And now all I get to see if that's the
style that.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that from my experience with
line or guys like Carson Palmer, guys, we just.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Talked about how great their d line was. You said
that was the only mismanch.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
The defensive line. It's still a mismatch.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
That was my Herefront two where you had guys who
are being drafted in the first round, like that's more
of a matchup deal. I'm just saying, if you look
at the formula for how typically Notre Dame is trying
to go win that game. It's shortened the clock, limiting
possessions because you're concerned about the mismatch with their offense
and your defense.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
They used to call the rivalry back in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,
big Man on Big Man. It was about the size
and strength of USC, the Anthony Munos, the Tony Bacelli's
against you know, Stonebreaker and Zorich and all that that was.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I mean USC's lost that identity and now they have
Lincoln Riley, a run and shoot coach LeVar sitting here waffling, not.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Even playing about even playing the game.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
What was Bill Walsh's offense called.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
What was it the West Coast offense?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
West coast? What was the other one that's called or
maybe air area. I think of air raid is an
air raid?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's how mummy that doesn't come from the West coast.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Yeah, something that's where Lincoln Riley is, you know, Mike Leeches.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Mike started an Oklahoma point. Is what I'm saying is,
I don't care. Yeah, I gotta make you got to
bring relevance to what USC is. That's put it in perspective,
do something in this big ten market, and USC.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Petros LeVar is basically saying that until USC does something,
they're not going to earn their respect if anyone in
the Big ten.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of how every one of
those teams are being looked at.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Well, didn't Washington just play for the college title and
then they got ten?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Now they got beat by Michigan.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, they beat Texas though I mean didn't I mean,
I just I mean Michigan just finally won a title.
It's like, you know, they've been three years ago. They
we're talking about getting rind of Harball right after COVID.
You guys are prisoners of the moment and I'm talking
about perspective and history.
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Speaker 3 (25:52):
We were talking about the USC Notre Dame rivalry. Uh,
we were talking about not playing it anymore and whether
or not that make sense and if that tears Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Does anyone think that though, like they actually shouldn't outside
of Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, the athletic director Jen Cohen answered the question in
a kind of a very sort of mysterious way. So
maybe it's his Boston that's saying this, nor I think
she just said that because Lincoln Riley has been so
weird about it.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I mean, look, you guys know me.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
My context to USC football comes from my dad playing
for John McKay in the sixties and seventies. I played
there with my brother in the nineties for John Robinson
and Paul Hackett, and then I closely covered the Pete
Carroll's nine seasons and Kiffen and Sark. And the one
thing Pete Carroll had in common with McKay and John
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Robinson was they wanted to play as many good teams
as possible, right, you know us he played teams in
the Pack eight in the seventies, and my dad's junior
season they played non conference games against Alabama, Nebraska, Iowa,
and Notre Dame, those teams you were talking about, Brady
Well six. A little later they had nine league games
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and there are other three games were Arkansas, Nebraska, and
Notre Dame. I mean, for decades, not many teams scheduled
as bravely as USC. And on the opposite end of
the spectrum. Now this offseason, the loudest stories have been
USC is trying to get out of their game against LSU,
and now Lincoln Riley isn't sure they could continue against
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Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
What's the feeling going to be?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
I mean, obviously you're speaking from your perspective, but I
think you represent probably.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
A lot of USC fans.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
What's the feeling going to be if Week one they
get blown out by LSU?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, is there any hot seat at all to
be a lot like it?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Big?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
No, I think it's hot. I mean it's a ninety
million dollar thing though. I mean that's what they paid
him to show up, So I mean, I think there'll
be a lot of chatter. I mean, you just told me.
Over the offseason, Bill Plashki wrote it. I mean just
now wrote an article and the question is can Lincoln
riding coach? You know? I mean we knew he could
coach LeVar when he was at Oklahoma building an offense
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and they had such a great structure and a great program.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
But you think he can do that out here?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
It remains to be seen, and I think it's a
daunting task to actually have to do it in the
Big Ten. I mean, I think, if we're being honest,
going into the Big Ten in the schedule that they
will have.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Should they be so scared of playing Luke Fickle.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
See I don't, I mean, I don't think it comes
down to being scared. Then, Yeah, that is an interesting
thing to deal with. But I just think that you
have more quality opponents that there story about that, oh geez,
I mean it was over what happened. He was beating
as out of them. Ron Daan had went in the back.
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He had went to the back. We hit him so
hard he had to go back into the locker room.
It was just it was our game. We owned it.
And then jump Around came on and something happened and
Ron day came out of the locker room and he
did it. Yes the hell he did that. Jump Around
brought him out of the locker room.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You know what he did. Then he hit some real weed.
They got some caliweed for him, not the Texans shake.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
He was injected that that cali weed into his system.
Because he came back and was a different man. Do
you remember you remember Cinderella man Like, hey, he came out,
he went to the corner. He's like, yeah, it ain't
the same.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Man like the last boy scout. He just started shooting
everybody spot.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
It was bad. It was carnage. After jump Around came on,
the whole thing changed.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I called a game once it was Codson and I
swear to God in the same game, and I guess
this would be bad for SC no matter who's coaching there.
In the same game, it snowed, it rained, it hailed,
and the sun came.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Out, and I was like, Wow, this is.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
A pretty significant, uh place to play anyway, I just
I'm upset. I'm upset that USC's traditions like playing Notre
Dame are too much for Lincoln Riley. If that's the case,
the job's going to eat him up like it did
Paul Hackett and Larry Smith and whoever else Sark and Kiffin.
My advice when asked about the Notre Dame rivalry, Tell
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reporters the truth that your boss Jen Cohen makes the
schedule and you just call the plays m and that's
the truth.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Roll them under the bus, all right.
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Oh wow, that's.
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Speaker 3 (31:29):
We started out today talking about what we think about
what Lebron might think about Lebron. Yeah, and then I
got excited talking about the USC Notre Dame rivalry yea,
and well what bothers me?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You could stand up?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well, you guys, you guys don't think I have a
lot more respect for Penn State and the way they
run their program and Notre Dame especially and the way
they're franchise or whatever you want to call it is
run than USC. And I think I think USC has
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been mismanaged, and I think the Clay hell Narra almost
bled the whole thing out to where it's unrecognizable to
all these things. So I and I don't think you
guys understand I don't care if USC loses every I
don't care if they lose to Rutgers. You still got
to play Notre Dame every year. And if you don't
play Notre Dame every year, then we don't have USC
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football anymore, and then we don't really have Notre Dame
football anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And the fruit, to me, that's the truth.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And to me, if college football gets more and more
like that, the more and more we try to make
it like pro football, we even have a goddamn two
minute warning now, the less and less it's going to
be appealing, because why not just watch pro football?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know? What are we going to do? Move the
hash marks to That's what bothers.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Me about it. I just wanted to make my statement clear.
I don't care if they lose. You can understand why
you're bothered. We can understand that I really didn't have
more besides that. That's all I had for you.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
I mean, I was going to say that I do
feel like similar to the PAC twelve. You know, it's
from an institution standpoint, the athletic director position at USC,
I think is what has failed the football program in particular,
but even the PAC twelve for that matter, right, Like,
I think those individuals are culpable as anyone else, wow
for not helping to guide it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Is that in the university presence.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, President's I mean, I'm sure the ads would have
probably done a better deal, But don't.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
You feel like when like I always feel like with
strong athletic directors, the president's kind of Look, I don't
want to get into the weeds about structure.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But you've got to have a bit president and an
AD and a head coach that all work together.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Otherwise you can't have a successful foot.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
That's very difficult to accomplish.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, you have to have a president that understands the
power of an athletics department that can literally fund all
the academic stuff that no one's going to fund if
their football.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Team isn't that good. But let's be real.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, Well, and then you also have to ask yourself
the question, why do we have a billion dollar industry
of guys dressed up in plastic outfits running into each other,
wrapped up within our institutions of higher education. But perhaps
that's another question for a loftier show.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Maybe a question for.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Tomorrow is and I saw an article written about the
nil ERA and NCAA sports and how it will impact
potentially the Olympics, because because the Olympics, the United States
has always benefited from the NCAA sports, a lot of
the Olympic sports, in particular being feeders into our Olympic
teams and the development and all that, and how our
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system obviously has clearly worked as compared to other countries that.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Every international athletes like working out at Texas or Maryland
or USC or Stanford.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
The Sweden pool vaulter, the guy who won, he's from Louisiana. One.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
We know why he won because he's hung like a
light switch.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
That's the that's the French guy who's Italian. Well, no,
that guy though, like that guy's Petro guy one.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Because his boots because because his poll didn't get in
the way exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I mean it seems like he hit some decent clearance.
I mean that that poo would happen, all right. I
respect them.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Just making a penis joke, right, Brady, just making a
dirty penis joke.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
We understand, Petros, we understand exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I see anyway, it is. It's a very it's a
it's an interesting conversation. And the more and more college
football changes, the more rapidly it changes, the harder it is.
I think for everybody to kind of reconcile what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And I don't, but it's not that far away. College
football is almost here.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Men.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
You have to get Nobody knows what the season is
gonna be, like, it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Be so, it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
It's gonna be football guys in plastic uniforms slamming into
each other.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It's gonna feel weird without my pack twelve.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's I mean, that's ultimately what all of this angst
and and you know, all these hard feelings, that's where
it's coming from. And you should feel that way, you
really should so. But but think about it this way.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Can I be honest? You all should have just everyone should.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Have went to independent football and then they let the
other sports the conferences would still remain.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Well, that's spoken very well by an independent Yeah, exactly.
You guys are both sious towards something. I just think
that you were in the US. I was dependent. My
school wasn't we were independent? Yeah, but Big Ten put
a ring on it and we've been there ever since.
And you know, I just I think this could be
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a great feel good story. Yeah, thank you. It could
be a horrible story for the Penn State traditionalists if
if the PAC twelve teams come in and have the
success that you know would lead to a great feel
good story, I think Washington and could really do that.
Now as far as USC and UCLA, I just think
(37:05):
that that question is a tremendously large question that remains.
But if they play well, then they become like national
folk heroes all over again. So there's that. There's the
opportunity and the Big Ten not the pack. Pack is strong,
that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
So there you go, Petro State fired up though, buddy,
host Football's almost here.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
You No, I'm done.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I've exhausted all of my topics and tomorrow you guys
are gonna have to carry me like Forrest Gump carried
Lieutenant Dan out of the jungle in Vietnam.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
The beauty of it all is that the show is
over now, so you know it's all good.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
What's wrong with you dude,
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