August 12, 2024 • 38 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz fill in for the guys and talk about the men's Team USA basketball winning gold over France, takeaways from NFL Preseason Week 1, and more!
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Jeff Schwartz, The late great Al Davis said it best.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Just win baby.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
That can absolutely be applied to Team USA Women's basketball
men's basketball. The ladies got it done via a one
point win against France. They're sixty first in a row
in the Olympics and they win, and I don't care.
I don't care that they didn't win by twenty. I
don't care that they didn't cover the spread. You can
(01:28):
tell I didn't bet on Team USA to cover the spread,
Jeff with that statement right there. But I don't care
that it wasn't a Picasso. They got the gold, and
that's all I care about.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
We are arrogant Americans, though, Brian. We wanted to look
like it should have to look like it should for
us to be happy as Americans. Good morning. I feel
like I've talked to you now more than my wife
in the last twelve hours, so I'm glad to be
back on the air with you here after working together
on our usual Sunday show. Look in the end, to
(02:02):
your point, man, it's a matter of getting a dub
and the women last night, think about you know, the
pressure they were under. I know they've won sixty one
games in a row now, but you know they're they're
trying to win again, right because they're supposed to win.
There were I think sixteen point favorites in this game
somewhere around there, and it wasn't going well early on
(02:24):
in that game. Couldn't make shots, France was squeezing them
on defense, and you're you're on the road, right, you're
in You're in France, and you could feel sort of
the pressure of the situation I think, which a lot
of these women had not faced because all the games
they had played up until this point in this in
this run of these of these ladies had been blowouts.
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They don't lose even They've won sixty one games now
and it wrote Brian, three of those games have been
under ten points, that's it, including yesterday, so like they
will blow everyone now. You could feel sort of the energy,
nervous energy. They needed a spark, to need something. In
that second half. We saw some performances of young players,
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and oftentimes I feel like in those moments, you do
need you know more kind of guard oriented you know,
guard oriented play right, you need to need someone something
just sort of like boom, like I get it, you know,
push that, push that through. And we saw that happen
late in that game last night. So look, man, I
thought it was a great gritty performance, right not not
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everything's gonna be perfect and it's not to go the
way you want. And France kept battling that they couldn't shoot,
and all of a sudden they made it. They made
a bunch of threes, but you know, the ability for
for Coop, I mean for Copper to come in there
at the end, and Sabrina added a little bit of
juice and Wilson did her dinner thing. It was a
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jutty performance. Plumb made a couple of threes right at
the end there the fourth quarter. So not event's gonna
be perfect. But I thought during that game, I was like,
you know what they could use, you know, someone sort
of young, with a spark, with energy, you know, and
assist the assist leader maybe in the w n B.
A someone to move the ball around a little bit.
You know, they kind of were stuck shooting, you know,
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a really good shooter. But hey, man, I don't know.
I'm just a dude who talk sports. I might not
know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, it almost sounds like you're describing someone named Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It almost sounds like that, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
She could probably helped them. It's why it's why you
kind of keep them, keep someone like that at the
end of the bench, you know, just in case those moments.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, but Jeff, she might not have gotten a lot
of playing time, and therefore.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
We just like go down that road, like Sabrina or
Brittany Grinder. Yeah, like you know, random.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Player Diana Tarassi. Yeah, I don't know if she got in.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah, I actually kept that it is the box scores
were kind of hard to follow for the like they
don't list the minutes until after the game. Yeah, because
so I would always check the the game be like, oh,
how many minutes did did Trozzie play? Because I thought
it would be important just to I wanted to check
with and yeah, yesterday was a whole bit of of zero.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, that's uh, that's kind of random they would go
in that direction. But hey, Diana has her sixth US
gold medal.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
That's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
But it's a little bit like Tyrese Halliburton, right, like
Caliburton put out there is like when you get an
A on the class project and you didn't do anything
is basically what he threw out thought.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I thought his tweet was so great because we've all
been there and you know, of course, this is the
thing about you know this this Olympics, These Olympics, like
you're on a team with the best players in the world.
If you're on the USA and you know you're just
not going to play. Sometimes now you know the the
Sabrina thing, I mean, the the the Camlin carking is
a little bit different than you know, the hally Burn situation.
(05:54):
But nonetheless, you're just not going to play if you're
on a team like this. At some points of some
that's just because again Crunchcheng comes up and it's it's
lebron kd Staff. I mean that that's the group who's
gonna who's gonna play, and Burton's gonna be gonna be
out there. They could have found him some minutes in
some games, I feel like, and he did play a
little bit at some moments, but that tweet was very
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I like that he understood the moment and I appreciate
that that tweet from him.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, I think that, look, man, there's a lot more
at play here than just talent. I think when we're
looking at Team USA, let's stick with the women's side
because they won yesterday. Yeah, this could be applied to
the men also, But there's this tendency to just look.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
At man, look at the talent that they have. But
we're talking about Halliburton.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
How many teams would he play major minutes for if
he was playing for another country like most of them. Oh, oh,
you know Jason Tatum, he didn't play in two games.
Think about that. He's been First team All NBA three times.
He didn't play in two games. And so, yeah, the
US is blessed with obnoxious amounts of talent. But that's
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not the only thing going on here. It's you mentioned it.
You're an enemy territory. You're in France against those you know,
the men and the women respectively. You're an enemy soil, right,
Like that's a road game to the nth degree. That matters.
FEBA rules matter. This is football on a court, you
know what I mean, very very physical. You can get
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away with a lot that's an equalizer and then something
else that's at play when you look at like France
and some of these nations they've been together for so long.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Was the example that you gave.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
There was Look, I was listening to the game on
the airplane yesterday. It was it was kind of interesting.
There was someone sitting in front of me who was
just watching the game on her phone too. It's just
like my iPad was going and my wife was watching
because she was bored. She didn't know, she didn't have
anything else to do. She this is the first time
I felt very proud of the husband. Only only the
first time ever. But she said to me she hit
(08:02):
me in the shoulder because she was sitting in the rood.
I was with the kids. Because I'm you know, I
gave her a break. Brian, I sent next to the kids,
and all she did was tap me for two hours,
asking about how the kids are doing. I'm like, honey,
I'm giving you a break. Stop asking about the kids.
If you want to sit here, I'll switch with you. Nonetheless,
she was across the aisle from me and she asked
me time on the shoulder, and Brian, she sayes, how
much you bet on this game?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I was so proud.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I've ever been never, never been more proud of my life.
She she She asked me if I had to wait
during the game at all, Oh, what a proud moment
in our relationship. But we had the game on and
I believe I believe that the play by play guy
mentioned that a lady on France right, one of their
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players UH left the w NBA to play for the
French national team because they needed to know. The requirement
was you had to sort of play a year with
the team or something like that. So a lot of
these teams play for years together. Were the U say,
does have summers together, right, they play some summer circuit
time together. But then it's the WNB season right now,
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just show up and play with each other, and so
there is a lot of rotation to figure out. I
think there's a lot of you know, you know, I
think that that the coach figuring out who to play
in situation, in situations right like do I put in
three guards? Do I have you know, does Brittany Grinder
play because she had a certain times in this tournament
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was unstoppable, you know, one day at Wilson Rest. These
are situations that she has to deal with game by game.
In some games, Brian, the score dictates like, I don't
worry about any of this suff because we're up by
twenty five point two cares. And then it shows in
those final moments of a game like we saw yesterday
where you got you gotta put Sabrin in for a second, right,
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you have to plumb is now gonna shoo a little
bit more, you know, And so I felt like eventually
they figure it out, but it's difficult for these coaches.
Steve Carre the same problem at times where just to
sort of couldn't figure it out, but when it mattered
the most, guess it was in there, ye Lebron, KD
and Steph And when they played Serbia, who they did?
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Who they did beat? My son asked me who is
the best player in the NBA. I said, hey, it's
the guy in blue. It's it's he plays for Serbia.
Best player in the NBA. But guess what, son, Three
of the fifteen best players ever in the history are
playing on the USA side right now. I mean, the ability.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
To just.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Go to that in any moment, Brian is just astounding
to me, you know, like just okay, well let's go
with KAD now.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's wild it is and I get it, man, the
US has a ton of talent, but that isn't the
only piece of the equation. And I feel like a
lot of people look at only that, like they have
all this talent Team USA. Let's use the men's side
for a second. You just mentioned, Hey, Lebron gets subbed
in for by KD. And it's like, oh my gosh,
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people are just rolling their eyes at this amount of talent,
and it's like, yeah, that's one major piece of the equation.
That's not the only piece where it's like, look, they're
playing against France for the gold medal in their building.
That matters y FEBA rules right again, it's so physical,
that's an equalizer. Some of these players on other teams
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have been together for so long, they're more used to
the rules, They've got better chemistry developed. And I think
one other thing is because of the talent team, USA
is used to comfortable wins a lot. I don't know,
I go football on you this early, Jeff, but think
at the Patriots and seven, how many easy blowout wins
they had, and then when they're in a dogfight in
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Super Bowl forty two against the Giants, they're a little
bit unaccustomed to that. Where the Giants are playing these
close games consistently, that can matter also, So long story short,
it's not just about talent. And I think you got
to celebrate a gold instead of being like, well, I
was thinking it would be by twenty points.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It's like, bro, you just you can't be happy if
that's the way you look at things.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
No, you're absolutely right, and so no, I think I
think USA is rightfully very happy to win these It
obviously helped in the medal count, you know, for us
to get you know, to tie China with our with
our gold, A gold count. When you are a young athlete, right,
and you envision sort of success in pro sports, I
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think all the time. You know, you envision winning a
Super Bowl, winning an NBA championship. I don't know if
you envision winning an Olympic medal, yeah, right, And then
you get to the moment and we see, we see
this everywhere when you win an Olympic medal, the emotion
of the players there there is more emotion sometimes with
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winning Olympic medal than there is a winning NBA championship.
I mean, dude, Yoka seem happier on the bus ride
back after winning a bronze than he did. And anytime
the Nuggets have won in the last three years, I mean,
these players, the emotion, the emotion they show. And for
Steph Curry Ryan to do what he did in the
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final game, in the championship game, four threes in the
I think the last five baskets the team USA had,
I mean an all time basketball moment for anybody, let
alone a player who's a Hall of Famer and possibly
the best shoot of all time. And what he did
the other night was so much fun to watch. Yeah,
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but a moment that like it's going to live on forever.
I mean, dude, he put that team and I think
the USA was winning go a win anyways, but he
put that team on his back. And that's a that's
a a player that the stature of someone that doesn't
always sort of put teams on their back, right, smaller
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guard doesn't. It's not really all the time. These guys
look like Abrado all the time, right, And dude, he
was incredible. Yeah that he checked three he made at
the very end, the last one, I mean, and it
was it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It really was for Steph.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
And you know, his first gold medal. And again, I mean,
we look at players like Lebron and KD and the
physicality of what they bring to the game, and I
don't think we give stephf that that same credit. And
all he does is go out there and play incredible
in every big moment.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Right. And that's the thing, man is sometimes fans will
look at this and be like it should have been
a bigger win. I guarantee the players aren't looking at
it like that. Jeff at all they realize how difficult
it was Serbia. By the game before the gold medal game,
Serbia came out firing from three. They made fifteen of
thirty three pointers in the first three quarters. Bogdan Bogdanovic,
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where you're talking about playing for your country and right,
like how much it meant to Jokic. Bogdan was a
man possessed that came against the US and man, you're
in a dogfight. I guarantee you this. The players are
not looking at it like, I mean, we won gold,
but you know I thought we would win by at
least fifteen or twenty Like that's just silly, man.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
No, no, no, they're not doing that. Yeah, and look
the French can take salts in the fact they covered
all these games.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Because you know in the end they won themselves and
their and their countrymen or women some some money in
the end there. But no, it was a It was
a fantastic Olympics. I enjoyed watching a lot of it,
all the sports break dancing included Yeah what what what
a story from that Australian woman dance. But it was
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it was a good It was a good two and
a half weeks about right. Olympics very enjoyable in the summer.
I think I feel like now we should have like
a sport every summer to watch like this, so we
can just sort of as a nation come together and
watch sports before football shows back up.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I don't hate that. I don't hate that at all.
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Speaker 4 (17:34):
I'm Brian no In for two Pros and a Cup
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. So preseason NFL Action, Jeff,
we had a bunch of it. They spaced it out
over the course of four days instead of all at once.
You know, multiple betting opportunities if you're a degenerate and
want to get down that way, or you're like our
friend Bill Krackenberger, professional sports handicapper and you're just making
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your bank roll grow by betting on NFL preseason games.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
It was one of the most remarkable weekends I've ever
had wager in football, and it didn't even football didn't
even matter. It's like the actual result of the game
mattered to nobody except Bill Krackenberger. It was quite it
was quite remarkable.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
But we're looking at the rookie quarterbacks here, Jeff, do
you have any major takeaways, meaning things that apply to
real football, like the regular season. Is there anything you
saw in the preseason thus far that you would say, Okay,
this is actually a major takeaway, Like hey, JJ McCarthy
should start for the Vikings or Bo Nick should start
for the Broncos or anything else. Is there anything along
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those lines that has hit home yet?
Speaker 5 (18:42):
So the way I look at the preseason is sort
of especially week one. So in week one, right, I
talked to someone on a team and asked, did you
guys game plan at all? He said, not a second?
All right, So Week one a lot of times is
just you go out there. Now you might spend Brian
(19:04):
one practice of like here's sort of what the other
team does in their base situations, right, Like here's the
defense they're gonna run when you're in with with a
tight end and running back, And here's they're gonna run
with one running back and four while like just basic stuff, right, Brian.
And then you're just gonna run your offense. If you've
done a joint practice with the team you're playing, you
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might know a little bit more about them because you've
seen them for two days, right, But for the most part,
you're just running your offense against their defense or vice versa.
And that's it. Like, and you go out and just
try to make as many plays you can and impress
the coaches. And there's very little game planning. So sometimes
it's hard to judge the performances based off of that, right,
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because a lot of times, too, Brian, it's maybe ones
versus twos, right, or twos verse twos. For example, going
back to the to the one of the first games
of the week, like Joe Milton was playing for the Patriots,
okay against like the Panthers third string, four string defense. Right,
Joe Milton is too good to play against those guys.
He's gonna look good, right, He's too good of an athlete. Okay,
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so tell your consideration. So what I want to see
is sort of did it look like it should Did
it look like the quarterback knew what he was doing?
The ball gowards should go? Maybe it is there's an
errand pass here and there, but generally speaking, did it
look like it should? And for Kayleb Williams and Jayden
Daniels and Bo Knicks and McCarthy and even Michael Pennex
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who played a lot, but it's not gonna be the starter.
It look like it should. Brian, Ye, you watch those
games and watch those quarterbacks and think to yourself, Okay,
that's what it should look like in a regular season game. Now,
between week one and week two, the other team now
has has a film on you. But secondly, you're gonna
game plan a little bit more for for game two.
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You're gonna do a full this a full game plan week.
You're gonna treat it like a regular game week where
you're gonna install. One day, you're gonna do the base
stuff and and and you know, first down passes and runs,
and the second day you're gonna do all the third
down and nickel stuff and pressure situations. In the third
day you're gonna do red zone and goal line. Red
zone possibly happened sometimes on day two and you get
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into game too. Now you're gonna have like a real,
actual game plan week. So this I want to see
this week and they can carry over that success into
a different situation, so bright, I came away thinking, yeah,
Kama Williams was the first pick overall, he made, first
pick overall throws. Jay Daniels the second pick overall, he made,
second pick overall throws. Even bo Nicks Boenix had played,
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I thought bow knicks out of all the quarterbacks, and
obviously very recently he played yesterday. That was an offense
that was designed more for his skill set than the
other offenses we saw were designed for that quarterback skill set.
Like that tells me that that Sean Payne is already
thinking ahead, like, yeah, he's gonna be our starter this season.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You know what's funny is I started thinking about May
the Patriots quarterback who went number three overall, and he
only made three throws. You know, that's the thing I
don't understand is some guys get him a little bit
more playing time, get them out there, get him acclimated. Right,
they're daisy fresh rookies. I think it was smart. What
the Falcons did. I know, Kirk Cousins is nursing the Achilles, right,
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the recovery and all of that, and so Michael Pennock
Junior goes out there. He got five series bo Nick's
got five series. I think that makes a ton of sense.
And meanwhile, Drake May got three throws with the Patriots,
and I'm scratching my head, like what are you doing
with that? Like I get that there's an injury risk,
but there's something I call a suck risk.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Jeff.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You know, like what if our guy Bryce Young. I
know he's in the second year, but Panthers quarterback, he
didn't get out there at all. He was dead last
and passer rating last season. So it's not just injury risk.
I know you don't you don't you gotta get banged
up in the preseason, But there's a suck risk.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Also.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I think you got to get out there, work out
the kinks, feel good, right, Like you just said, they
aren't game planning against you. This is a soft launch.
Go out there, complete some basses, move the chains, maybe
get into the end zone, feel good about yourself.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But some teams are reluctant to do that. I just
don't get it.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I would get the young guys more seasoning, even if
it is in the preseason.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Man, I I am a fan of you know, of
of reps essentially, right, like you need you need reps.
And to to not play young guys, to mean, it
sort of never makes sense because look, Hollywood Brown getting
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hurt for the Chiefs as a wide receivers. Obviously he's
played many years a young player. That's a rarity in
the preseason, Brian, there are not a lot of injuries
that happened to starters in the preseason. They know how
to protect themselves. They know what they're doing. There was
a catch Travis Kelsey made for the actually surprised to
Kelsey played, but anybody always has played as starters in
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the situations in the preseason. He caught a ball, I
don't know if you watch the Chiefs game and just
basically fell down. It's like, I'm like, he's like, I'm
not gonna get hit. He basically caught a ball, turned around,
took three steps and just like got into the fetal
positions and like and just like, don't don't hurt me. Like,
guys know how to play the the you know, the
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veterans do, so the young like, young guys will learn
how to play in the precious game. But you need
to get them reps to get ready to play. So
it's so foreign to me. Look, I grew up in
an era where we played preseason games right, like the
starters in the third preseason game, played into the second
half most most times, Like you got one drive in
the second half, so you could do halftime adjustments and
sort of that. Get the feel of that as you
head into the regular season. So for these guys not
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to gain any reps is shocking to me because I
don't know how else you get prepared. Yes, you do
these joint practices, that's absolutely what is changed in training camp.
But that's not a game. And so Drake mainly having
three passes to me, when you look around the NFL
and Kayleb Williams got multiple drives, and and Jane Daniels did,
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and Drake May and Bo Nicks did, Like all these
quarterbacks are getting multiple drives, and you mentioned yesterday Pennant's
got five drives. Yeah, how do you not play Drake
May Moore? I don't know, unless he's not ready, which
is fair, which is fine, but that's not a good
look that everyone else was able to do it and
your guy couldn't.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, that's the thing, man, if he's not ready, let's
just say Drake May isn't ready or Bryce Young isn't ready.
I would rather get them ready by using the preseason
instead of the regular season. You know what I mean,
Like the regular season that's a hard launch. Let's just
say May and Young they're not ready. It's like that's
just gonna show up. Even more so if you don't
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get them like some preseason reps and you just throw
them in the regular season. If they're not ready, it's
going to be even worse.
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Or in for Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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thinking about the new h Dynamic kickoff, that's what they're
calling it there.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Like the XFL thing.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It's very dynamic.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, it's uh, we just agree. It's just different, not
exactly dynamic yet. But these teams are vanilla. It's gonna
ramp up come regular season time. They're gonna pull out
some razzle dazzles, some interesting blocking schemes.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
All that.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I was thinking about this. This is such an all
or nothing society. You know what I mean, Like you're
either all in with this or you're just like ninety
five percent. Get the hell out of here. You're either
one hundred percent or your zero percent. That's the way
it is with certain things, and I just think that's
so dumb, Like, for instance, the kickoff rule. I'm in
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on kickoff returns happening much more frequently. I am not
touchback guy, you know what I mean. There's nothing interesting
about a bunch of touch touchbacks. So a rule that
leads to many more returns I'm a fan of. With
that being said, there's so many layers to this. I
think they just got to simplify it. Where there was
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a safety the other day in the Jags Chiefs game,
and it was so confusing, Like McCole Hardman was in
the end zone. He was kneeling down for a touchback
and touched the ball at the one yard line. It
led to a safety. It was confusing. They showed McCall
on the sideline when the official announced it was a safety,
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and he had this look on his face like what
are they talking about?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
That's how all of us were looking at It's just confusing.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I think they got to simplify some of this stuff
where another layer is, Yeah, if the ball is kicked
into the end zone on the fly and it's a touchback,
it spotted at the thirty. If it hits in the
field of play trickles into the end zone and it's
a touchback, it spotted at the twenty. If the ball
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hits before the twenty yard line and it's somehow a
touchback or like a squib kick, it gets spotted at
the forty. It's like, what is going how do you
explain all of this to someone? Let's like, what's this
new kickoff thing? There are too many layers to it.
They've got to simplify it instead of just it being
all this all over the place. Even though I'm a
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fan of kickoff returns, I think they've got to simplify
a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Well, look the McCole harvey situation, the ball hitting the
end zone first, which is which has been a touchback
for years now, So I understand its confusion on that,
and they will fix that. Look, the NFL will often
use a preseason to test out new rules. Now this
is a permanent rule, but to test out new rules,
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new enforcement of rules. You know, how the refs should
should call certain things what are sort of you know,
our points of emphasis in a given year, and then
they will share change how they enforce those things or
the rules themselves. Uh as the season goes on and
then we get more data on how it should look
(29:10):
or how it needs to look. Right. So my idea
is that the NFL will adapt, will change the rules
for the kickoff to make sure that we don't have
a situations where the players don't know what a safety is,
right safety, Yeah, and and like that's that'll that'll happen,
and it'll it'll happen at some point, probably before the
regular season starts. And then will lol that that happened
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in the preseason. Now that time McAll we got, you know,
got a safety call against them, Because you're right, you
don't want a rule that it is so difficult for
us to figure out as fans that the players probably
are struggling with it a little bit too, even though
they're in the meeting room every day. You want that
players to play fast. You want them to feel like
they know exactly sort of what's happening in front of
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them and can play without fear of making mistakes. And
that to your point about this needs to be simplified
for those reasons, and it will. I think they will
figure out a way to make it more simple so
we all understand it.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Are you a fan of the movie Pulp Fiction?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I am.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I've not seen at quite a while, but I am. Yes.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
This is how I would explain the kickoff rule, you know,
and this is why the all or nothing thing doesn't
make any sense, right, Like, you've got to be all
in with the kickoff rule in every single aspect, or
you're not in on it, like Pulp Fiction. I love
the movie overall, but there are some scenes I could
do without. Bruce Willis in the cab, right, it just
(30:32):
drags on for too long.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Not a fan.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Bruce Willis's girlfriend talking about having a pot belly, remember
that annoying. Could do without a lot of that Christopher
walking legend. He's talking about Bruce Willis's dad's watch in
the History too long.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I'm out on a couple of scenes.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Even though I love the movie overall, that's the way
we operate. I don't know why it's different with the
kickoff rule. I love kickoff returns. That's fine, but it's
spotted at the twenty in this instance, it's spotted at
the thirty. In this instance, if you do this wrong,
it's spotted at the forty. It's like, bro, we got
a landing zone. There's just a lot of moving parts.
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I think they'd be better off simplifying a lot of that.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
My guess is they will, Brian, I don't think they're
gonna go in the season with with people and players
not really understanding the rule completely, and as as we
go on this season, this will be adjusted. Man again,
like this is the first time coaches are doing this live, right,
they've done it in practice, which you're not hitting on
(31:34):
on you know, you're not hitting in practice when it
comes to these plays. So they're gonna figure out as
they go. We're gonna have schemes that are put in
place by these Specialeam coaches that we have not seen it,
that they might not even Brian have thought of yet.
And this play will evolve to where, you know, by
the time we get talk the playoffs, for example, you
won't even remember this is a new rule because they'll
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have it in place in a way where it seems
and coaches and players they figure out how exactly they're
going to attack. Then you kickoff.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
You know, I thought, as soon as I saw my
screen flicker, our producer, Justin Cooper, he just messaged me, Jeff,
such a bad take by you. And then he followed up,
not on the Kickoff, but on pulp fiction. Are you
a big fan of the pot belly conversation over there, Coop?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Is that what did it?
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Every scene with her is great, Blueberry pundits. Oh, she's
so annoying. Bruce Willis's girlfriend in that movie is so annoying.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
No, it's watch us again today now, Yeah, we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Oh gosh, who motorcycle is this?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Now?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
That was great? Zed who said, I know it's it's
it's a chopper. It's a chopper baby, who's chopper ed?
Who's Zed? Zed's dead?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Now that it took forever to finally get to something
cool with that girl, And then and then, but then
the scene with Christopher talking in the story about the
watch you need, you need all of that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
No, it's all important, Off.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I get it, Jeff, it's all important. A lot of
it drags on too long. Sorry, it's a three hour movie, right,
it's a long movie. Yeah, but outstanding it is. It's
legendary all right, we got a lot to get to.
He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian Know. We're in for two
pros and a cup of Joe. Coming up next, little
season win total action, Jeff, I think there is a
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team that the naysayers are overly critical of. I think
there's some value on a decent win total this season.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I'll tell you it is. We'll compare notes.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
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looking at season win totals here. You could go to
the NFL. You could go to college football. On me,
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what's something that you have circled and that you love?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
So I am big in a college football wagering. I
know you wager. Look on Saturdays. I'm color coach football
year round. Rutgers over six or six and a half
either or would be would be okay? This year, the
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top five teams in the Big Ten for win totals
and odds to win the conference are Ohio State, Oregon, Iowa, Michigan,
and Penn State. Not in that order, but those five.
Rutgers plays zero of those five schools this year.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Oh that's none of them.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
They return almost all their defense. And when we talk
about like returning players, it's to me, it's about why
did they return? So they return because they're not gooder
for the NFL, but they returned because they just want
to play one more year. To nil has changed a
lot of that, right, these guys, you know, I interviewed
three the Rutcords players, a big tim meny today they're
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you know, their jewelry represents that they're getting a little
bit of Iowa money. Okay, and are they so they
stayed because they're NFL players. They have a thousand yard rusher,
quarterbacks of question mark. But their schedule is they won
six games last year in the regular season. There were
six and six. Three of those losses were to the
five teams I mentioned. So to me, over six, over
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six and a half, whatever number you can grab, I
think there are a seven win team, maybe eight or
nine win team, depending on how things go.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
See, this is why one of the reasons I love
gambling is that it causes you to pay attention and
to care about something that you might not care one
bit about, you know what I mean. So I'm just
picturing if you take Jeff Schwartz's advice, you take Rutgers
over the six and a half, and all of a sudden,
you're like, got a big one this week Minnesota comes
(36:32):
to town. Huh, Minnesota, Rutgers, let's go. I love that
aspect of it. I'll go to the NFL on you. Now, Initially,
when you think of a highly publicized team and I'm
telling you take the over, you would think that's pretty square.
The public's all over this. This is the anti public bet.
The most popular bet on an under, according to bet MGM,
(36:57):
is on the Dallas Cowboys under nine and a half wins. Jeff,
I'm all over the over here because I look at
this and it's like, this is still a really, really
talented team. They've won twelve games each of the last
three years. Do you think they've lost enough talent to
be three wins worse this season with the Giants and
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Washington in their division.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I don't see that.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
I still see this being a double digit win team,
and I think even more so now it's great time.
It's a great time to pounce because they fizzled in
the playoffs again.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
People are like, you we go with the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Jerry Jones is saying silly things in the public again
about Ceedee Lamb's contract. It's like, this isn't a new phenomenon.
This is what they always do. So I think that
the Cowboys, after a playoff failure, after Jerry Jones is
saying silly things publicly, I think this is the time
to pounce on a really talented roster that I don't
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think they're gonna be nine to eight when it's all
said and done, or worse, take a lot of injuries
to get there.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I'm on the over with Dallas Loo.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Correct me if I'm wrong. They've won twelve games three
years in a row.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Well, without having to look at that, I mean they Yeah,
I think everyone's off of them because of the noise,
but the noise has been solely created by Jerry Jones, Like,
they don't have to be this noisy.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
And man, the difference makers that they have, Dak Cde
Micah Trayvon Diggs comes back, he missed most of the
last season.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They're gonna get to ten wins at least. Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Right, come it up next. It's a stupid question and
a monstrous overreaction.
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Jeff Schwartz, The late great Al Davis said it best.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Just win baby.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
That can absolutely be applied to Team USA Women's basketball
men's basketball. The ladies got it done via a one
point win against France. They're sixty first in a row
in the Olympics and they win, and I don't care.
I don't care that they didn't win by twenty. I
don't care that they didn't cover the spread. You can
(01:28):
tell I didn't bet on Team USA to cover the spread,
Jeff with that statement right there. But I don't care
that it wasn't a Picasso. They got the gold, and
that's all I care about.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
We are arrogant Americans, though, Brian. We wanted to look
like it should have to look like it should for
us to be happy as Americans. Good morning. I feel
like I've talked to you now more than my wife
in the last twelve hours, so I'm glad to be
back on the air with you here after working together
on our usual Sunday show. Look in the end, to
(02:02):
your point, man, it's a matter of getting a dub
and the women last night, think about you know, the
pressure they were under. I know they've won sixty one
games in a row now, but you know they're they're
trying to win again, right because they're supposed to win.
There were I think sixteen point favorites in this game
somewhere around there, and it wasn't going well early on
(02:24):
in that game. Couldn't make shots, France was squeezing them
on defense, and you're you're on the road, right, you're
in You're in France, and you could feel sort of
the pressure of the situation I think, which a lot
of these women had not faced because all the games
they had played up until this point in this in
this run of these of these ladies had been blowouts.
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They don't lose even They've won sixty one games now
and it wrote Brian, three of those games have been
under ten points, that's it, including yesterday, so like they
will blow everyone now. You could feel sort of the energy,
nervous energy. They needed a spark, to need something. In
that second half. We saw some performances of young players,
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and oftentimes I feel like in those moments, you do
need you know more kind of guard oriented you know,
guard oriented play right, you need to need someone something
just sort of like boom, like I get it, you know,
push that, push that through. And we saw that happen
late in that game last night. So look, man, I
thought it was a great gritty performance, right not not
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everything's gonna be perfect and it's not to go the
way you want. And France kept battling that they couldn't shoot,
and all of a sudden they made it. They made
a bunch of threes, but you know, the ability for
for Coop, I mean for Copper to come in there
at the end, and Sabrina added a little bit of
juice and Wilson did her dinner thing. It was a
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jutty performance. Plumb made a couple of threes right at
the end there the fourth quarter. So not event's gonna
be perfect. But I thought during that game, I was like,
you know what they could use, you know, someone sort
of young, with a spark, with energy, you know, and
assist the assist leader maybe in the w n B.
A someone to move the ball around a little bit.
You know, they kind of were stuck shooting, you know,
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a really good shooter. But hey, man, I don't know.
I'm just a dude who talk sports. I might not
know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, it almost sounds like you're describing someone named Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It almost sounds like that, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
She could probably helped them. It's why it's why you
kind of keep them, keep someone like that at the
end of the bench, you know, just in case those moments.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, but Jeff, she might not have gotten a lot
of playing time, and therefore.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
We just like go down that road, like Sabrina or
Brittany Grinder. Yeah, like you know, random.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Player Diana Tarassi. Yeah, I don't know if she got in.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah, I actually kept that it is the box scores
were kind of hard to follow for the like they
don't list the minutes until after the game. Yeah, because
so I would always check the the game be like, oh,
how many minutes did did Trozzie play? Because I thought
it would be important just to I wanted to check
with and yeah, yesterday was a whole bit of of zero.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, that's uh, that's kind of random they would go
in that direction. But hey, Diana has her sixth US
gold medal.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
That's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
But it's a little bit like Tyrese Halliburton, right, like
Caliburton put out there is like when you get an
A on the class project and you didn't do anything
is basically what he threw out thought.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I thought his tweet was so great because we've all
been there and you know, of course, this is the
thing about you know this this Olympics, These Olympics, like
you're on a team with the best players in the world.
If you're on the USA and you know you're just
not going to play. Sometimes now you know the the
Sabrina thing, I mean, the the the Camlin carking is
a little bit different than you know, the hally Burn situation.
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But nonetheless, you're just not going to play if you're
on a team like this. At some points of some
that's just because again Crunchcheng comes up and it's it's
lebron kd Staff. I mean that that's the group who's
gonna who's gonna play, and Burton's gonna be gonna be
out there. They could have found him some minutes in
some games, I feel like, and he did play a
little bit at some moments, but that tweet was very
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I like that he understood the moment and I appreciate
that that tweet from him.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, I think that, look, man, there's a lot more
at play here than just talent. I think when we're
looking at Team USA, let's stick with the women's side
because they won yesterday. Yeah, this could be applied to
the men also, But there's this tendency to just look.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
At man, look at the talent that they have. But
we're talking about Halliburton.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
How many teams would he play major minutes for if
he was playing for another country like most of them. Oh, oh,
you know Jason Tatum, he didn't play in two games.
Think about that. He's been First team All NBA three times.
He didn't play in two games. And so, yeah, the
US is blessed with obnoxious amounts of talent. But that's
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not the only thing going on here. It's you mentioned it.
You're an enemy territory. You're in France against those you know,
the men and the women respectively. You're an enemy soil, right,
Like that's a road game to the nth degree. That matters.
FEBA rules matter. This is football on a court, you
know what I mean, very very physical. You can get
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away with a lot that's an equalizer and then something
else that's at play when you look at like France
and some of these nations they've been together for so long.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Was the example that you gave.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
There was Look, I was listening to the game on
the airplane yesterday. It was it was kind of interesting.
There was someone sitting in front of me who was
just watching the game on her phone too. It's just
like my iPad was going and my wife was watching
because she was bored. She didn't know, she didn't have
anything else to do. She this is the first time
I felt very proud of the husband. Only only the
first time ever. But she said to me she hit
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me in the shoulder because she was sitting in the rood.
I was with the kids. Because I'm you know, I
gave her a break. Brian, I sent next to the kids,
and all she did was tap me for two hours,
asking about how the kids are doing. I'm like, honey,
I'm giving you a break. Stop asking about the kids.
If you want to sit here, I'll switch with you. Nonetheless,
she was across the aisle from me and she asked
me time on the shoulder, and Brian, she sayes, how
much you bet on this game?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I was so proud.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I've ever been never, never been more proud of my life.
She she She asked me if I had to wait
during the game at all, Oh, what a proud moment
in our relationship. But we had the game on and
I believe I believe that the play by play guy
mentioned that a lady on France right, one of their
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players UH left the w NBA to play for the
French national team because they needed to know. The requirement
was you had to sort of play a year with
the team or something like that. So a lot of
these teams play for years together. Were the U say,
does have summers together, right, they play some summer circuit
time together. But then it's the WNB season right now,
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just show up and play with each other, and so
there is a lot of rotation to figure out. I
think there's a lot of you know, you know, I
think that that the coach figuring out who to play
in situation, in situations right like do I put in
three guards? Do I have you know, does Brittany Grinder
play because she had a certain times in this tournament
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was unstoppable, you know, one day at Wilson Rest. These
are situations that she has to deal with game by game.
In some games, Brian, the score dictates like, I don't
worry about any of this suff because we're up by
twenty five point two cares. And then it shows in
those final moments of a game like we saw yesterday
where you got you gotta put Sabrin in for a second, right,
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you have to plumb is now gonna shoo a little
bit more, you know, And so I felt like eventually
they figure it out, but it's difficult for these coaches.
Steve Carre the same problem at times where just to
sort of couldn't figure it out, but when it mattered
the most, guess it was in there, ye Lebron, KD
and Steph And when they played Serbia, who they did?
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Who they did beat? My son asked me who is
the best player in the NBA. I said, hey, it's
the guy in blue. It's it's he plays for Serbia.
Best player in the NBA. But guess what, son, Three
of the fifteen best players ever in the history are
playing on the USA side right now. I mean, the ability.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
To just.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Go to that in any moment, Brian is just astounding
to me, you know, like just okay, well let's go
with KAD now.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's wild it is and I get it, man, the
US has a ton of talent, but that isn't the
only piece of the equation. And I feel like a
lot of people look at only that, like they have
all this talent Team USA. Let's use the men's side
for a second. You just mentioned, Hey, Lebron gets subbed
in for by KD. And it's like, oh my gosh,
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people are just rolling their eyes at this amount of talent,
and it's like, yeah, that's one major piece of the equation.
That's not the only piece where it's like, look, they're
playing against France for the gold medal in their building.
That matters y FEBA rules right again, it's so physical,
that's an equalizer. Some of these players on other teams
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have been together for so long, they're more used to
the rules, They've got better chemistry developed. And I think
one other thing is because of the talent team, USA
is used to comfortable wins a lot. I don't know,
I go football on you this early, Jeff, but think
at the Patriots and seven, how many easy blowout wins
they had, and then when they're in a dogfight in
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Super Bowl forty two against the Giants, they're a little
bit unaccustomed to that. Where the Giants are playing these
close games consistently, that can matter also, So long story short,
it's not just about talent. And I think you got
to celebrate a gold instead of being like, well, I
was thinking it would be by twenty points.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It's like, bro, you just you can't be happy if
that's the way you look at things.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
No, you're absolutely right, and so no, I think I
think USA is rightfully very happy to win these It
obviously helped in the medal count, you know, for us
to get you know, to tie China with our with
our gold, A gold count. When you are a young athlete, right,
and you envision sort of success in pro sports, I
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think all the time. You know, you envision winning a
Super Bowl, winning an NBA championship. I don't know if
you envision winning an Olympic medal, yeah, right, And then
you get to the moment and we see, we see
this everywhere when you win an Olympic medal, the emotion
of the players there there is more emotion sometimes with
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winning Olympic medal than there is a winning NBA championship.
I mean, dude, Yoka seem happier on the bus ride
back after winning a bronze than he did. And anytime
the Nuggets have won in the last three years, I mean,
these players, the emotion, the emotion they show. And for
Steph Curry Ryan to do what he did in the
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final game, in the championship game, four threes in the
I think the last five baskets the team USA had,
I mean an all time basketball moment for anybody, let
alone a player who's a Hall of Famer and possibly
the best shoot of all time. And what he did
the other night was so much fun to watch. Yeah,
(13:46):
but a moment that like it's going to live on forever.
I mean, dude, he put that team and I think
the USA was winning go a win anyways, but he
put that team on his back. And that's a that's
a a player that the stature of someone that doesn't
always sort of put teams on their back, right, smaller
(14:07):
guard doesn't. It's not really all the time. These guys
look like Abrado all the time, right, And dude, he
was incredible. Yeah that he checked three he made at
the very end, the last one, I mean, and it
was it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It really was for Steph.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
And you know, his first gold medal. And again, I mean,
we look at players like Lebron and KD and the
physicality of what they bring to the game, and I
don't think we give stephf that that same credit. And
all he does is go out there and play incredible
in every big moment.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Right. And that's the thing, man is sometimes fans will
look at this and be like it should have been
a bigger win. I guarantee the players aren't looking at
it like that. Jeff at all they realize how difficult
it was Serbia. By the game before the gold medal game,
Serbia came out firing from three. They made fifteen of
thirty three pointers in the first three quarters. Bogdan Bogdanovic,
(15:01):
where you're talking about playing for your country and right,
like how much it meant to Jokic. Bogdan was a
man possessed that came against the US and man, you're
in a dogfight. I guarantee you this. The players are
not looking at it like, I mean, we won gold,
but you know I thought we would win by at
least fifteen or twenty Like that's just silly, man.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
No, no, no, they're not doing that. Yeah, and look
the French can take salts in the fact they covered
all these games.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Because you know in the end they won themselves and
their and their countrymen or women some some money in
the end there. But no, it was a It was
a fantastic Olympics. I enjoyed watching a lot of it,
all the sports break dancing included Yeah what what what
a story from that Australian woman dance. But it was
(15:55):
it was a good It was a good two and
a half weeks about right. Olympics very enjoyable in the summer.
I think I feel like now we should have like
a sport every summer to watch like this, so we
can just sort of as a nation come together and
watch sports before football shows back up.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I don't hate that. I don't hate that at all.
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Speaker 3 (17:32):
He's Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I'm Brian no In for two Pros and a Cup
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. So preseason NFL Action, Jeff,
we had a bunch of it. They spaced it out
over the course of four days instead of all at once.
You know, multiple betting opportunities if you're a degenerate and
want to get down that way, or you're like our
friend Bill Krackenberger, professional sports handicapper and you're just making
(17:58):
your bank roll grow by betting on NFL preseason games.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
It was one of the most remarkable weekends I've ever
had wager in football, and it didn't even football didn't
even matter. It's like the actual result of the game
mattered to nobody except Bill Krackenberger. It was quite it
was quite remarkable.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
But we're looking at the rookie quarterbacks here, Jeff, do
you have any major takeaways, meaning things that apply to
real football, like the regular season. Is there anything you
saw in the preseason thus far that you would say, Okay,
this is actually a major takeaway, Like hey, JJ McCarthy
should start for the Vikings or Bo Nick should start
for the Broncos or anything else. Is there anything along
(18:39):
those lines that has hit home yet?
Speaker 5 (18:42):
So the way I look at the preseason is sort
of especially week one. So in week one, right, I
talked to someone on a team and asked, did you
guys game plan at all? He said, not a second?
All right, So Week one a lot of times is
just you go out there. Now you might spend Brian
(19:04):
one practice of like here's sort of what the other
team does in their base situations, right, Like here's the
defense they're gonna run when you're in with with a
tight end and running back, And here's they're gonna run
with one running back and four while like just basic stuff, right, Brian.
And then you're just gonna run your offense. If you've
done a joint practice with the team you're playing, you
(19:25):
might know a little bit more about them because you've
seen them for two days, right, But for the most part,
you're just running your offense against their defense or vice versa.
And that's it. Like, and you go out and just
try to make as many plays you can and impress
the coaches. And there's very little game planning. So sometimes
it's hard to judge the performances based off of that, right,
(19:45):
because a lot of times, too, Brian, it's maybe ones
versus twos, right, or twos verse twos. For example, going
back to the to the one of the first games
of the week, like Joe Milton was playing for the Patriots,
okay against like the Panthers third string, four string defense. Right,
Joe Milton is too good to play against those guys.
He's gonna look good, right, He's too good of an athlete. Okay,
(20:08):
so tell your consideration. So what I want to see
is sort of did it look like it should Did
it look like the quarterback knew what he was doing?
The ball gowards should go? Maybe it is there's an
errand pass here and there, but generally speaking, did it
look like it should? And for Kayleb Williams and Jayden
Daniels and Bo Knicks and McCarthy and even Michael Pennex
(20:29):
who played a lot, but it's not gonna be the starter.
It look like it should. Brian, Ye, you watch those
games and watch those quarterbacks and think to yourself, Okay,
that's what it should look like in a regular season game. Now,
between week one and week two, the other team now
has has a film on you. But secondly, you're gonna
game plan a little bit more for for game two.
(20:50):
You're gonna do a full this a full game plan week.
You're gonna treat it like a regular game week where
you're gonna install. One day, you're gonna do the base
stuff and and and you know, first down passes and runs,
and the second day you're gonna do all the third
down and nickel stuff and pressure situations. In the third
day you're gonna do red zone and goal line. Red
zone possibly happened sometimes on day two and you get
(21:11):
into game too. Now you're gonna have like a real,
actual game plan week. So this I want to see
this week and they can carry over that success into
a different situation, so bright, I came away thinking, yeah,
Kama Williams was the first pick overall, he made, first
pick overall throws. Jay Daniels the second pick overall, he made,
second pick overall throws. Even bo Nicks Boenix had played,
(21:35):
I thought bow knicks out of all the quarterbacks, and
obviously very recently he played yesterday. That was an offense
that was designed more for his skill set than the
other offenses we saw were designed for that quarterback skill set.
Like that tells me that that Sean Payne is already
thinking ahead, like, yeah, he's gonna be our starter this season.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You know what's funny is I started thinking about May
the Patriots quarterback who went number three overall, and he
only made three throws. You know, that's the thing I
don't understand is some guys get him a little bit
more playing time, get them out there, get him acclimated. Right,
they're daisy fresh rookies. I think it was smart. What
the Falcons did. I know, Kirk Cousins is nursing the Achilles, right,
(22:21):
the recovery and all of that, and so Michael Pennock
Junior goes out there. He got five series bo Nick's
got five series. I think that makes a ton of sense.
And meanwhile, Drake May got three throws with the Patriots,
and I'm scratching my head, like what are you doing
with that? Like I get that there's an injury risk,
but there's something I call a suck risk.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Jeff.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You know, like what if our guy Bryce Young. I
know he's in the second year, but Panthers quarterback, he
didn't get out there at all. He was dead last
and passer rating last season. So it's not just injury risk.
I know you don't you don't you gotta get banged
up in the preseason, But there's a suck risk.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Also.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I think you got to get out there, work out
the kinks, feel good, right, Like you just said, they
aren't game planning against you. This is a soft launch.
Go out there, complete some basses, move the chains, maybe
get into the end zone, feel good about yourself.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But some teams are reluctant to do that. I just
don't get it.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I would get the young guys more seasoning, even if
it is in the preseason.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Man, I I am a fan of you know, of
of reps essentially, right, like you need you need reps.
And to to not play young guys, to mean, it
sort of never makes sense because look, Hollywood Brown getting
(23:43):
hurt for the Chiefs as a wide receivers. Obviously he's
played many years a young player. That's a rarity in
the preseason, Brian, there are not a lot of injuries
that happened to starters in the preseason. They know how
to protect themselves. They know what they're doing. There was
a catch Travis Kelsey made for the actually surprised to
Kelsey played, but anybody always has played as starters in
(24:03):
the situations in the preseason. He caught a ball, I
don't know if you watch the Chiefs game and just
basically fell down. It's like, I'm like, he's like, I'm
not gonna get hit. He basically caught a ball, turned around,
took three steps and just like got into the fetal
positions and like and just like, don't don't hurt me. Like,
guys know how to play the the you know, the
(24:24):
veterans do, so the young like, young guys will learn
how to play in the precious game. But you need
to get them reps to get ready to play. So
it's so foreign to me. Look, I grew up in
an era where we played preseason games right, like the
starters in the third preseason game, played into the second
half most most times, Like you got one drive in
the second half, so you could do halftime adjustments and
sort of that. Get the feel of that as you
head into the regular season. So for these guys not
(24:46):
to gain any reps is shocking to me because I
don't know how else you get prepared. Yes, you do
these joint practices, that's absolutely what is changed in training camp.
But that's not a game. And so Drake mainly having
three passes to me, when you look around the NFL
and Kayleb Williams got multiple drives, and and Jane Daniels did,
(25:07):
and Drake May and Bo Nicks did, Like all these
quarterbacks are getting multiple drives, and you mentioned yesterday Pennant's
got five drives. Yeah, how do you not play Drake
May Moore? I don't know, unless he's not ready, which
is fair, which is fine, but that's not a good
look that everyone else was able to do it and
your guy couldn't.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, that's the thing, man, if he's not ready, let's
just say Drake May isn't ready or Bryce Young isn't ready.
I would rather get them ready by using the preseason
instead of the regular season. You know what I mean,
Like the regular season that's a hard launch. Let's just
say May and Young they're not ready. It's like that's
just gonna show up. Even more so if you don't
(25:47):
get them like some preseason reps and you just throw
them in the regular season. If they're not ready, it's
going to be even worse.
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Speaker 4 (26:03):
Or in for Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio. You know, Jeff, I was
thinking about the new h Dynamic kickoff, that's what they're
calling it there.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Like the XFL thing.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It's very dynamic.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, it's uh, we just agree. It's just different, not
exactly dynamic yet. But these teams are vanilla. It's gonna
ramp up come regular season time. They're gonna pull out
some razzle dazzles, some interesting blocking schemes.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
All that.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I was thinking about this. This is such an all
or nothing society. You know what I mean, Like you're
either all in with this or you're just like ninety
five percent. Get the hell out of here. You're either
one hundred percent or your zero percent. That's the way
it is with certain things, and I just think that's
so dumb, Like, for instance, the kickoff rule. I'm in
(26:51):
on kickoff returns happening much more frequently. I am not
touchback guy, you know what I mean. There's nothing interesting
about a bunch of touch touchbacks. So a rule that
leads to many more returns I'm a fan of. With
that being said, there's so many layers to this. I
think they just got to simplify it. Where there was
(27:13):
a safety the other day in the Jags Chiefs game,
and it was so confusing, Like McCole Hardman was in
the end zone. He was kneeling down for a touchback
and touched the ball at the one yard line. It
led to a safety. It was confusing. They showed McCall
on the sideline when the official announced it was a safety,
(27:34):
and he had this look on his face like what
are they talking about?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
That's how all of us were looking at It's just confusing.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I think they got to simplify some of this stuff
where another layer is, Yeah, if the ball is kicked
into the end zone on the fly and it's a touchback,
it spotted at the thirty. If it hits in the
field of play trickles into the end zone and it's
a touchback, it spotted at the twenty. If the ball
(28:01):
hits before the twenty yard line and it's somehow a
touchback or like a squib kick, it gets spotted at
the forty. It's like, what is going how do you
explain all of this to someone? Let's like, what's this
new kickoff thing? There are too many layers to it.
They've got to simplify it instead of just it being
all this all over the place. Even though I'm a
(28:22):
fan of kickoff returns, I think they've got to simplify
a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Well, look the McCole harvey situation, the ball hitting the
end zone first, which is which has been a touchback
for years now, So I understand its confusion on that,
and they will fix that. Look, the NFL will often
use a preseason to test out new rules. Now this
is a permanent rule, but to test out new rules,
(28:50):
new enforcement of rules. You know, how the refs should
should call certain things what are sort of you know,
our points of emphasis in a given year, and then
they will share change how they enforce those things or
the rules themselves. Uh as the season goes on and
then we get more data on how it should look
(29:10):
or how it needs to look. Right. So my idea
is that the NFL will adapt, will change the rules
for the kickoff to make sure that we don't have
a situations where the players don't know what a safety is,
right safety, Yeah, and and like that's that'll that'll happen,
and it'll it'll happen at some point, probably before the
regular season starts. And then will lol that that happened
(29:32):
in the preseason. Now that time McAll we got, you know,
got a safety call against them, Because you're right, you
don't want a rule that it is so difficult for
us to figure out as fans that the players probably
are struggling with it a little bit too, even though
they're in the meeting room every day. You want that
players to play fast. You want them to feel like
they know exactly sort of what's happening in front of
(29:53):
them and can play without fear of making mistakes. And
that to your point about this needs to be simplified
for those reasons, and it will. I think they will
figure out a way to make it more simple so
we all understand it.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Are you a fan of the movie Pulp Fiction?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I am.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I've not seen at quite a while, but I am. Yes.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
This is how I would explain the kickoff rule, you know,
and this is why the all or nothing thing doesn't
make any sense, right, Like, you've got to be all
in with the kickoff rule in every single aspect, or
you're not in on it, like Pulp Fiction. I love
the movie overall, but there are some scenes I could
do without. Bruce Willis in the cab, right, it just
(30:32):
drags on for too long.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Not a fan.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Bruce Willis's girlfriend talking about having a pot belly, remember
that annoying. Could do without a lot of that Christopher
walking legend. He's talking about Bruce Willis's dad's watch in
the History too long.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I'm out on a couple of scenes.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Even though I love the movie overall, that's the way
we operate. I don't know why it's different with the
kickoff rule. I love kickoff returns. That's fine, but it's
spotted at the twenty in this instance, it's spotted at
the thirty. In this instance, if you do this wrong,
it's spotted at the forty. It's like, bro, we got
a landing zone. There's just a lot of moving parts.
(31:10):
I think they'd be better off simplifying a lot of that.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
My guess is they will, Brian, I don't think they're
gonna go in the season with with people and players
not really understanding the rule completely, and as as we
go on this season, this will be adjusted. Man again,
like this is the first time coaches are doing this live, right,
they've done it in practice, which you're not hitting on
(31:34):
on you know, you're not hitting in practice when it
comes to these plays. So they're gonna figure out as
they go. We're gonna have schemes that are put in
place by these Specialeam coaches that we have not seen it,
that they might not even Brian have thought of yet.
And this play will evolve to where, you know, by
the time we get talk the playoffs, for example, you
won't even remember this is a new rule because they'll
(31:55):
have it in place in a way where it seems
and coaches and players they figure out how exactly they're
going to attack. Then you kickoff.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
You know, I thought, as soon as I saw my
screen flicker, our producer, Justin Cooper, he just messaged me, Jeff,
such a bad take by you. And then he followed up,
not on the Kickoff, but on pulp fiction. Are you
a big fan of the pot belly conversation over there, Coop?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Is that what did it?
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Every scene with her is great, Blueberry pundits. Oh, she's
so annoying. Bruce Willis's girlfriend in that movie is so annoying.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
No, it's watch us again today now, Yeah, we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Oh gosh, who motorcycle is this?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Now?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
That was great? Zed who said, I know it's it's
it's a chopper. It's a chopper baby, who's chopper ed?
Who's Zed? Zed's dead?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Now that it took forever to finally get to something
cool with that girl, And then and then, but then
the scene with Christopher talking in the story about the
watch you need, you need all of that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
No, it's all important, Off.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I get it, Jeff, it's all important. A lot of
it drags on too long. Sorry, it's a three hour movie, right,
it's a long movie. Yeah, but outstanding it is. It's
legendary all right, we got a lot to get to.
He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian Know. We're in for two
pros and a cup of Joe. Coming up next, little
season win total action, Jeff, I think there is a
(33:26):
team that the naysayers are overly critical of. I think
there's some value on a decent win total this season.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I'll tell you it is. We'll compare notes.
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looking at season win totals here. You could go to
the NFL. You could go to college football. On me,
(34:38):
what's something that you have circled and that you love?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
So I am big in a college football wagering. I
know you wager. Look on Saturdays. I'm color coach football
year round. Rutgers over six or six and a half
either or would be would be okay? This year, the
(35:02):
top five teams in the Big Ten for win totals
and odds to win the conference are Ohio State, Oregon, Iowa, Michigan,
and Penn State. Not in that order, but those five.
Rutgers plays zero of those five schools this year.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Oh that's none of them.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
They return almost all their defense. And when we talk
about like returning players, it's to me, it's about why
did they return? So they return because they're not gooder
for the NFL, but they returned because they just want
to play one more year. To nil has changed a
lot of that, right, these guys, you know, I interviewed
three the Rutcords players, a big tim meny today they're
(35:42):
you know, their jewelry represents that they're getting a little
bit of Iowa money. Okay, and are they so they
stayed because they're NFL players. They have a thousand yard rusher,
quarterbacks of question mark. But their schedule is they won
six games last year in the regular season. There were
six and six. Three of those losses were to the
five teams I mentioned. So to me, over six, over
(36:04):
six and a half, whatever number you can grab, I
think there are a seven win team, maybe eight or
nine win team, depending on how things go.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
See, this is why one of the reasons I love
gambling is that it causes you to pay attention and
to care about something that you might not care one
bit about, you know what I mean. So I'm just
picturing if you take Jeff Schwartz's advice, you take Rutgers
over the six and a half, and all of a sudden,
you're like, got a big one this week Minnesota comes
(36:32):
to town. Huh, Minnesota, Rutgers, let's go. I love that
aspect of it. I'll go to the NFL on you. Now, Initially,
when you think of a highly publicized team and I'm
telling you take the over, you would think that's pretty square.
The public's all over this. This is the anti public bet.
The most popular bet on an under, according to bet MGM,
(36:57):
is on the Dallas Cowboys under nine and a half wins. Jeff,
I'm all over the over here because I look at
this and it's like, this is still a really, really
talented team. They've won twelve games each of the last
three years. Do you think they've lost enough talent to
be three wins worse this season with the Giants and
(37:20):
Washington in their division.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I don't see that.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
I still see this being a double digit win team,
and I think even more so now it's great time.
It's a great time to pounce because they fizzled in
the playoffs again.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
People are like, you we go with the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Jerry Jones is saying silly things in the public again
about Ceedee Lamb's contract. It's like, this isn't a new phenomenon.
This is what they always do. So I think that
the Cowboys, after a playoff failure, after Jerry Jones is
saying silly things publicly, I think this is the time
to pounce on a really talented roster that I don't
(37:57):
think they're gonna be nine to eight when it's all
said and done, or worse, take a lot of injuries
to get there.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I'm on the over with Dallas Loo.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Correct me if I'm wrong. They've won twelve games three
years in a row.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Well, without having to look at that, I mean they Yeah,
I think everyone's off of them because of the noise,
but the noise has been solely created by Jerry Jones, Like,
they don't have to be this noisy.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
And man, the difference makers that they have, Dak Cde
Micah Trayvon Diggs comes back, he missed most of the
last season.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They're gonna get to ten wins at least. Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Right, come it up next. It's a stupid question and
a monstrous overreaction.
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