August 19, 2024 • 39 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Caleb Williams impresses in another week of preseason but what did we learn and does it really matter? The Rose Bowl unveils a statue of Archie Griffin and Caitlin Clark breaks another rookie record.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Monday edition, we are going to talk
preseason football. One of us on this show not a fan,
and they have some valid points. But if you are
a fan of quarterback play, there's been some stars thus far,
one being Caleb Williams, the other being Bo Nicks, and
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there's another one out there that for some reason we
didn't get to watch this weekend. We will break that
all down. Plus, we are going to have a discussion
around the NFL on some potential trade possibilities. Why the
forty nine ers and Brandon Aiyuk still haven't gotten a
deal done. We've got another edition of in case you
missed it. We've also got an FSR IR and we've
got you in and you out. It's all yours coming
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How the hell we feel here in a Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Happy Monday, Yeah, Hey Monday. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Everybody's fired up?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Mean why not?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean everybody's excited. I mean, listen, I know you're excited.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Jonas well.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Look, I'm just glad that we have a preseason so
that we can actually get a glimpse at some of
the talent that takes the field in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
See, this is why I don't write notes. This is
exactly why I don't write y'all. This is why y'all
you guys. You know why, because you guys are going
to debate what I say, so I wait for the
show to say what it is I'm gonna say. I
just could not. I just my dismay for the preseason
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and how I feel about it is so strong that
I just decided to put it in knowing knowing that
this was going to lead to you guys debating me
in the email and then it being you and I
knew you were going like like like an instant instigator
of it as soon as we got into the show.
That's why I don't do it.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
No, because I do the decision.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
That's why that's the decision.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, why do you think it is cute? I mean
there's there's like it sounds like you guys have had
a conversation about it.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
There could be a marriot of reasons. That doesn't matter
at the end of the day. I guess I'm just
curious because here's the thing is, our audience doesn't understand why.
So why do you dislike the NFL preseason so much?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It's boring. It's boring, and I think it's a waste
of time outside of outside of it just being a
spectacle to put on television or a spectacle for the
fans to attend. I mean, you could do that as
a practice. It does feel like it's like a practice.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It does beg the question because it is one thing
where during the summertime, when you're talking to coaching staffs,
and especially talking to coaching staffs in college that have
a big Week one matchup, one of the comments they
always make is like, we don't have a preseason. So
when you're going through training camp, like there's elements of
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intensity you have to have and you try to protect players,
but you've got to hit, You've got a bang, you've
got a scrimmage, because we might be opening up Week
one with the game that could ultimately deter our season.
Like it can help elevate us and springboard us, it
could literally cause us to collapse where we.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Pros don't have that.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
And so there's an element of like, I understand what
you're saying in the sense of they are meaningless where
there's nothing on the line, Like when it's the fourth
quarter and both teams are tied, you know, like it's
not like any team's really pushing to go get the
win one way or another that they would like to
see their young guys or a backup or someone go
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get a win. But at the end of the day,
they just want to get back on the bus with
as many healthy players as possible and make it back
home safe.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Like that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Marvin Harrison Junior made the comment I think last week
where he said, yeah, I wish we did have a
pre like at least one preseason game in college.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Well, most big schools used to have that because they
have like a cupcake exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah. I just listen, I know you. You made the statement, well,
what mint you have been able to win the starting job? Yeah,
and my.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Answer, the answer would be this, I'm messing with you.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
The answer would be yes, because they would have been
warded it to him through practice.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Just do whatever, I know, different than they do it
in college.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So figure you wanted to debate me, but okay, I figured, okay,
I'm glad you were being circ way too seriously. We're
just sometimes I'm so super literal, and sometimes it just
depends on the mood that I'm in. You know, I'm
a parent of five, and and sometimes you can have
one of those days where they pluck your nerves so
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good that you don't you're not sure what you know
you're at, you know, emotionally so and then throw marriage
into that too, by the way, that could be a
part of it. So it's no, don't No one needs
to turn this into a controversy. You know, I'm not
wearing a Packers jersey or jacket out of Bears game
or anything anything like that. There's no controversies. I'm just
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saying it just depends my mood sometimes can vary depending
on you know, what I got going on.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
So see, I thought you were not happy about your
guy ap going with Minshew as opposed to as.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, No, listen, I think he's in a tough position
because he did not get a quarterback. And I think
everyone who's onlooking is probably you don't even have to
be an astute fan or person that understands football. I
think we all know that they don't have a quarterback.
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I mean they're going to have to figure it out
with out a quarter back, and and and listen, I
don't want to sound like because to be a pro quarterback,
if you're Minshew, if you're O'Connell, like god bless, you're
in the pros and you're playing, so you are a quarterback.
I don't. I don't mean to say it that way,
and to you know, kind of be insulting to the
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fact that they've accomplished what they've accomplished.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't want to be dismissive of who they are
as people, because that's wrong. But to the point of
do you have a guy like we we're watching guys
out there playing and listen, I don't. I don't pretend
to know if if Caleb Williams is going to be
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the guy, but it damn sure looks like he's going
to be, you know, one of the guys that that
is in this National Football League. And I think you
realize when you don't have a guy like Look at
the New York Giants, look no further than the g Men.
If you think that they think they had a guy
at the quarterback position, I would probably debate it, and
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again on that point.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
On that point, I do find it interesting how preseason
it could either stoke the fires of expectations for franchises
or boy, it could already start that.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Sea getting hot.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Because really mean, I mean just I hate to jump
on you, but but really you can only hurt yourself
in preseason That's what I think. You can only hurt
yourself in preseason, like because if you do well, it's like, oh,
it's preseason. You're not going up against starters, you're not
showing anything. It's preseason, like it doesn't matter. But if
you stink it up, if you stink up preseason, then
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like Daniel Jones, like people are jumping all on Daniel Jones,
Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, like like all he
has done has hurt himself, Like if he didn't play,
if they weren't playing him, we wouldn't even know to
hate him so much or to not like how he's playing.
We had still Hey, dude.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I remember in two thousand and nine and we were
literally in preseason. It was Eric Manngini's first year. Brian
Dable was calling plays, and we were running stuff that
like trying to like scheme up, trying to like win,
trying to like look good in preseason. And Week two
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we got to Denver and I know this is I
traded there the next year, and we get blown out
by the Broncos, not even I mean, we couldn't do
anything offensively. And I remember talking to one of the
Broncos DBS, and they were like, Bro, you guys did
everything you were doing in preseason like that like in
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our game. He's like, we knew everything you guys were
gonna do because y'all didn't change anything.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's like, why do you guys do that? Go? I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I was like, honestly, our coaching staff like wanted to
like really look good in preseason, and so they showed
a lot of concepts.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
They showed a lot of things they were doing.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
And we had a young team that year, so it
wasn't like in a lot of new pieces, So it
wasn't like you could adjust and adapt and do a.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Ton of things.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
And I just I thought to myself at that moment, like, yeah,
that's the difference. Like when I'm in year seven when
I got to Seattle and that was a team that
ended up going on to win the Super Bowl, they
were just running vanilla basic concepts and they, you know,
a lot oftentimes it was like if it was man
to man, they want you to go basically find a
matchup you like and give that guy a shot. And
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then there was actually, in particular one moment when we
caught a time out Pete Carroll walks over and I
walked over to him and he goes, what are you thinking.
I was like, I'm gonna throw to so and so
if he's matched up one on one again, and he
goes exactly, He's like, that's exactly what I want.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You to do.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I go perfect. So we go back out there, literally
throw up a bomb to him.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
He had catching it for a touchdown, and that was like,
it was such an eye opening difference between how a
team that would eventually move on to win a Super
Bowl wanted to operate, wanted to put guys in positions
to compete, versus a coaching staff that was just like
trying to look good. And so to your point, like
I would actually say, you could there's really no upside
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in the sense of if you're a bad football team
that's trying to look good and you do look good,
you kind of set false expectations because a lot of
the other teams are looking at the game the same
way you are, and if you do have a pore preseason,
it can only then snowball effect, which it's funny like
the Colts, remember the Colts Jonas with Peyton, I want
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to say they historically were awful in the preseason and
would always like ball out. Obviously during his time with
the Colts, you could check the area, go back and
check that. But I want to say that was one
of the things that I used to always look at
and bring up and be like, the Colts really never
cared that much about preseason. They just want to get
the regular season healthy and feel good about where they
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were at.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
We went undefeated one year, five and O five and
O was a fact. Keep saying five and I think
it was five and oh we went and the Hall
of Fame game, then Hall of Fame game. Maybe it
was Osaka, I don't know either was four, was five
and oh Osaka? Okay, we went to Ocaka, Japan. Anyway, uh,
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and we've won like five games in the regular season.
I mean we went undefeated, whatever the number of games were.
We went undefeated in the preseason with coach Sperry or
his first year, and everybody was like he has arrived.
He he has brought that Florida Gators style to the NFL.
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And it is a wrath. I mean, we got to
the regular season and we won five games.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Now was that Durk? Like how many rounds of golf.
Do you think Spurriyer got in a week.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I don't know, but he told you he was heading there. Y'all.
Get in the gym, y'all, y'all get some some weights in,
you know, Uh, get home, get some rest. I'm I'm
gonna go. I'm gonna go hit them greens and go
a couple of balls.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
How would players were?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
My mind? I always felt like if we had enough pros,
we would have been a winning team. I just thought
we were young, we were immature, and then I just
didn't think that we handled how how I felt like
Steve Coach Spurrier respected us as pros. Like he was
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always like, yo, we're all pros here. That was his thing.
He'd always say, we're all pros here, like you know,
it's gonna show. It's gonna show on film. You know,
if you're not there, if you if you don't end
up being here, it's it's because you put it on
film or you didn't like we're all pros Like hey,
and and I was, I was like, man, like, this
is the greatest coach ever of all time. Like I
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love Coach Burrier because he allowed us to be who
we wanted to be. To a fault. It was to
a fault because there was enough. There wasn't enough dudes
that like dudes were going to the club the night
before games and stuff like. It was just bad. It
was just a bad environment. But I mean I liked him.
I thought his his schemes were were dope. I just
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we didn't have a quarterback either. Back to the original point,
we never had a quarterback. He brought in Shane Matthews,
love you bro, like Shane's dope dude. Brought in Danny
Warfle love you bro, dope dude. But we didn't have
a guy. We didn't have a guy at quarterback. We
just did not have a guy. My rookie year, we
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had two guys and they couldn't figure it out. North
couldn't figure it out. We you know, we knows that.
I really don't even think it was that bad. We
just didn't have a kicker. We just we were losing
games by like one point like every week. But we
had Brad Johnson and Jeff George on the same team
and that, you know, that didn't even work out. But
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you gotta have a guy, man, you gotta have a guy.
And I don't know, I just think preseason. Preseason says
that the New York Giants don't have a guy. Preseason
says that the Las Vegas Raiders they don't have a guy.
I just feel like you can figure out all of
those things. Whatever you're going to figure out, you can
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figure it out in practice. All those things you want
to work out on that, Like you said, trying to
look good in a preseason game versus you know, getting
the reads and different things and the discussion points from
the coach and stuff like that. Like I get dress rehearsals,
so when you have those enter you know, those those
two squad dual squad scrimmages and practices and stuff like that.
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I like the idea of that, I really do. I
like the idea of two teams coming together, practicing together,
and then getting out of there instead of sitting all
of the starters or deciding to play a couple of them,
a couple of them get judged. What if what if
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one of these other quarterbacks came out, What if Pat
Mahomes didn't do the behind the back? What if we
didn't see Caleb play the way that he played. Generally speaking,
I was thinking this too, and I was going to
ask you about this, and I know we're running a long, well,
at least I'm running long because I just don't hate
I hate the preseason. But like, when did you make
some of your best play, your best football? Your best
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football came in like the second quarter or the third
quarter of a game because you were able to get
a feel for what was going on. You got the
information this is what they're trying to do to me,
this is what they're running, here's here are the adjustments,
here's the feel of the game, here's a feel of
the speed of the game. All these different elements that
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go into being able to make plays, the plays that
people want to see. Some of those plays, some of
that solid play, a lot of times don't come until
later in the game. And if you're only playing one
or two series in a game, you can't. For me,
I would hate to be judged on one or two
series of a game where it's a game of getting
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into the flow of the game, feeling what's going on
in the game, looking at your coaches, looking at your teammates,
what are they doing out there? What can we do
to be better? Making the just I just feel like,
what is the point of it? And I'm done, I'm
off my soapbox.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Well, I think the quick answer to that is it
used to be kind of the warm up for guys
before the real thing would happen. Obviously, as you know,
I know now, I think it's transitioned to help younger players,
rookies back into the roster, guys get their shots.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
So I will say.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
This for some of the guys that I've always got
a soft spot by heart who weren't going to make
it to the regular season roster, some of the last
football they may ever play, and in the NFL putting
on an NFL uniform, NFL field and all that. So
there's a soft spot in my heart for those guys.
There's a soft spot in my heart for some of
those guys that that might be the only playing they
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ever really get and they bounce around for a few
years and that's it. So I understand it's purpose to
your point of you know how many games and all that,
because I think you maybe called for one preseason game,
maybe one or two, probably one.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I think they'll go to two at some point soon
once they're go to eighteen.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
But it, you know, it does seem like there is
some big time downside with potential injury risk, et cetera.
But I look, I know Jonas loves it because the
bears a hot right now, Johnny, they've got.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
All the momentum.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But don't want Hilla Williams lighting the world on front.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Whatever you do, don't you make comparisons because he does
not seem to be a fan of that. We will
get to hear from that and from Cam Williams on
all that coming up here shortly.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It is maybe it was that he was throwing that day.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I mean, I don't want to give it away on
the air, but LeVar made a point off the air
which I don't think you can actually say.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Light on light crime. Yes, yeah, yeah, I said it
on air.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Wow means yeah, well like Star Wars, Yes.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, you got, you got. It's perfectly like Star Wars.
You got, you got the light side, you got the
dark side. Wom like squaam won't won't won't like that.
That's that's wo wo woh won't want want that's the
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dark side. Right Lee watching Star Wars, He's on the
dark side.
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Last we spoke to you, you were stepping on a
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me of a younger Russell Crow.
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Gaelic is the Northern Irish language here.
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It's really hard to understand.
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Speaker 1 (25:16):
I told you not to say that on the air.
Don't kill my rap.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I really did. Man, I appreciated that. Man, are you
not okay? I feel really good? No, I was. I
didn't know what what he was called. I was shocked, like,
you're calling me outside of the show, like, what's this
must be an emergency.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I just I saw that you were, you know, going
to be out on up on game on Saturday. I
was making sure everything was good.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Dope, dope reason too, by the way, man, super dope.
I get my wires tangled up sometimes. I'm sure you
guys are aware of this. Uh, I'm not great with
my schedule, so things pop up and I'm a last
minute type of can't do this, can't make it because
I got to go do this. I didn't. I didn't
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realize that those were the same days or whatever. WOOTI woop.
But Archie Griffin got his statue revealed at at the
Rose Bowl. Yeah. No, I was invited to be there
and take part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
So that's cool.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Oh man, it was pretty awesome. Man. That's an extraordinary man.
You know. It's like there's certain dudes you're around, and
the energy of who they are is almost like kind
of like it's so humbling and in some ways overwhelming.
I mean Archie Griffin is that's a fine man, I
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mean a super fine man. Who was it the other.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Day that like didn't even They're like I don't care.
However many years ago, I'm like, man, one of one.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Was like, that is not the answer.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I can't remember who was saying this on camera, but
it was like it was an Ohio State player too,
And it's like how you could go to Ohio State
and not know who he not know who Archie Griffin
is or now respect who he is who he was
as a player is out of my mind.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I just I do not understand that. Can't comprehend it.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
And if you call yourself like a student of the game,
like that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You got to know the history of the game too.
And you can't like put on some clips. Man, go
look at that man.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Run like, go look at that man back as a
player if you if you think it, he wasn't legititer,
he couldn't play today's game.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I'm like, come on, man, he played in four Rose Bowls.
Four that means they won. They won it. They did
what they needed to do four times.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Remember when Connor Cook was on stage like they'd won
I think it was the Big Ten championship and he
just sort of like grabbed the trophy and kind of,
you know, brushed aside Archie while he was on stage
with him, and everyone's like, do you know who that is?
Like that you just got that trophy from like I
ran the conference, Like he's one of the greatest players
in the history of the conference. And he just sort
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of dismissed it and he got a lot of heat
for it, and for good reason. That is awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I mean, he was more it's more inspirational to hear
what he's doing outside of the game. Like his there's
the fun that they had, the trust that they have
that that awards scholarships to to non scholarship athletes to
Ohio State. I mean, his his countless amounts of boards
(28:33):
that he sits on. I was like, I want to
be on boards, man, Like I want to be a
positive contributor and idea maker and and and give her
to you know some of these you know, some of
these institutions that I'm connected to. I mean, he inspired me.
I left that I left that inspired. I left that
(28:55):
dedication to unveiling inspired and I mean that that's all
you could for me, that's all I could hope to
be is to live a life where I inspire people
to want to do great things. And I mean shots
out to Archie Griffin, man, shots out to you, my guy,
and your family. His whole family was there. That's a
testament of a true person too. You know, a great
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person is all his siblings that I mean, they're all
still alive too. They were all there. All his kids
were there, his wife was there. Everyone was there, and
Ohio showed up. Ohio State showed up. They showed up.
So it's pretty cool. Man, Yeah, that's pretty fifty years.
Fifty years has elapsed.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Dude is a beast and he's still like he's all
there mentally, all there. Like he's not like punch drunk
where you feel bad like oh man like man like, nah,
dude is sharp, sharp dude, man. And I can't believe
I'm saying that about Ohio State guy. But some things
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just go go bigger. They go deeper than just just
being you know, rivals and something like that. You know,
it's humanity connected to this.
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uh light on light crime that you were talking about, LeVar,
but you were.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
At I'd say, was he throwing shade when he threw
it to Matthew Stafford and Aaron Rodgers? Was he throwing shade?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
So after his performance over the weekend, Caleb Williams was
asked because Tyreek Hill made a comparison that many took
to be comparing him to Patrick Mahomes meaning him meaning Kayleb.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Williams looked like Patrick Mahomes out there.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
And so Caleb Williams talked about his team's performance and
then also addressed the question about the comparisons between Tyreek Hill,
Patrick Mahomes him and this is outsounded.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Our best today.
Speaker 9 (31:14):
We started out slow, and you know we can't do
that in this you know, the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
You can't come out here and start slow.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
So myself included we're gonna we're gonna get a lot better.
We're gonna keep growing, and we're gonna have a lot
of fun doing it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Winning these games.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
Going out there versus these other teams playing is one
to your question, it's respect, you know, it's it's cool
and all.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
But you know.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
I'm Caleb Williams, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hills, Tyreek Hill,
you know much love to them and things like that,
met them, talk to them both and things like that.
But you know, we're here to We're here to win
games for Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Awesome the Bears.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, how about that far anything like that.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I don't feel like that was too shady. I mean
he is Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hill is Tyreek Hill the
way you say Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. I mean
he kind of like shot his name out very quickly,
like very quickly, but you know he's right. I mean,
you wouldn't want to be lumped into being like your
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greatness is basically you know, like, oh, you look like
you play like you know, and that guy is still playing.
I mean I would want to be if a dude
was saying, yeah, man, you're playing like LT or if
Ray Lewis was still playing with player, Oh yeah, you
look like LT You look like Ray Lewis out there
while you're playing. I'd be like, hell yeah. I mean
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that's dominance, you know. I just I don't take too
much to it. I don't. I don't think he was
meaning to throw shade at at Patrick Mahomes. But it
is interesting that it wasn't greeted with kind of like,
I don't know, like open arms. It was more like,
(33:02):
don't compare me to him, like I'm who I am
and I'm okay with being that guy, you know, and
and that that could lead up to something. I mean,
if if he turns out to be as good as
he needs to be, then what Chicago Bears meet the
Kansas City Chiefs and the super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And well they got him this Thursday in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
So oh, how does that even Matter's true?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
The ones they got to say about this with with
Caleb Williams, because you see the splash plays and you
see those plays that made people say that reminds me
of Patrick Mahomes, and I think that's why the whole
idea comes up, or the comparison comes up, and you
can't deny the fact that he can do things that
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most quarterbacks in the NFL can't. Now there's still some
that can, but he's got the talent and.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Ability that's rare.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
And you could see through some of those plays, some
of those throws why he was allotted the way he
was as the number one overall quarterback player. And you
know the comparisons made to Patrick Mahomes. So it's all warranted.
Anyone who is a hater or a denier will see
it now if they hadn't seen it before in college,
(34:20):
and now they'll be able to apply and say, Okay,
that's what he's capable of. To me, the onus is
on the organization because there was a point in time
in that game where it was a little sluggish offensively,
you know, and I don't know if that's a matter
of the offensive line protection wasn't always great. They might
not want to be show everything they're going to do, right,
like you want to test out some of what whims
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can do in the offense, but not too much because
it's a preseason game, so there's those elements of it,
and so Shane Waldron could be trying to hold some
stuff back to get to the regular season where you
start scheming up teams, whatever the case may be, this
is still not a great football team around Caleb Williams.
He will be able to, you know, overcome some of
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you know, their deficiencies, but he will not be able
to carry them every single week for seventeen games. They've
got to help him out. They've got to continue to
improve and grow. That's the That's the one thing that
I kind of took away from what I saw. But
I do appreciate how he ends every press conference with
a go Bears or go to Bears.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, every single one, Russell Wilson till you know it's
going to go.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
It's different, though, it's different. It's got his own little
flare on it. I don't know, some something feels different
about it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
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It's actually a good song.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
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Speaker 3 (36:10):
Who said they hated it? I know you might know.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I must have mishurd I guess all right, So this
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But every time I hear this song, I laugh because
my buddy Eric Lee, you know him, King of the
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(36:38):
much so when he would go into my brother's bar,
he would request to play the song on the jukebox,
like ten times in a row, and so every time
the song would start, my brother would have a remote
from his office and switch it over to the next song.
He must have blown through fifty bucks in a single
day try to get this song on the jukebox. My
brother would hide the remote and come around the corner
(36:59):
and turn it, so literally ten times in a row,
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And then he would just skip it again and skip
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Speaker 8 (37:47):
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Speaker 3 (37:51):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
In case you missed this yesterday. Kaitlyn Clark, Hey learn yesterday.
Kaitlyn Clark First, Hey Brady versus the Seattle Storm none assist.
She's been averaging eight point three per game, and that
made her surpass the previous record from nineteen ninety eight.
She now has two hundred and thirty two assists, which
makes her gives her the record for most assists by
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a rookie in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
We passed in the half of that ball.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, but how many turnovers does she have? What else
is wrong with her?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
That team, I mean, they just cannot accept her.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
They cannot accept the attention she gets. And for people
who I mean the first half of the game she struggled,
but she came on in the second half man earlier
this weekend. If you saw that game, I mean, she
looks like Steph Curry out there.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
It's astonishing to me because when Steph, Like because when
the NBA became hot, it wasn't like dudes were hating
on them. They're like, oh, this guy could It's never
been like that. They're like, dang, this dude is special,
he's real, he's different. For some reason, the WNBA cannot
get that in their heads. Like we understand, you've had
(39:00):
good players before, There's been no one like her, none
of no one who's come before has shot the ball
like she is, or even is passing the ball like
she does.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Give her her due.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Just accept it.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
It's crazy to me how like the women in the
NBA WNBA cannot accept her.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
It's the most popular of the sport the league's ever been, right.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Not even close. It's never come close to this. It's
because of her, yes.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Like why would you not embrace that? Like all the money,
all the eyeballs coming in, It just it benefits everybody,
and they just continue to want to put it down.
I don't get it her, Angel Reese
Speaker 4 (39:38):
You know you throw on Angel like I'm not watching
freniwe but Kaylen Clark
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and they have some valid points. But if you are
a fan of quarterback play, there's been some stars thus far,
one being Caleb Williams, the other being Bo Nicks, and
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didn't get to watch this weekend. We will break that
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How the hell we feel here in a Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Happy Monday, Yeah, Hey Monday. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Everybody's fired up?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Mean why not?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean everybody's excited. I mean, listen, I know you're excited.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Jonas well.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Look, I'm just glad that we have a preseason so
that we can actually get a glimpse at some of
the talent that takes the field in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
See, this is why I don't write notes. This is
exactly why I don't write y'all. This is why y'all
you guys. You know why, because you guys are going
to debate what I say, so I wait for the
show to say what it is I'm gonna say. I
just could not. I just my dismay for the preseason
(02:42):
and how I feel about it is so strong that
I just decided to put it in knowing knowing that
this was going to lead to you guys debating me
in the email and then it being you and I
knew you were going like like like an instant instigator
of it as soon as we got into the show.
That's why I don't do it.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
No, because I do the decision.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
That's why that's the decision.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, why do you think it is cute? I mean
there's there's like it sounds like you guys have had
a conversation about it.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
There could be a marriot of reasons. That doesn't matter
at the end of the day. I guess I'm just
curious because here's the thing is, our audience doesn't understand why.
So why do you dislike the NFL preseason so much?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It's boring. It's boring, and I think it's a waste
of time outside of outside of it just being a
spectacle to put on television or a spectacle for the
fans to attend. I mean, you could do that as
a practice. It does feel like it's like a practice.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It does beg the question because it is one thing
where during the summertime, when you're talking to coaching staffs,
and especially talking to coaching staffs in college that have
a big Week one matchup, one of the comments they
always make is like, we don't have a preseason. So
when you're going through training camp, like there's elements of
(04:10):
intensity you have to have and you try to protect players,
but you've got to hit, You've got a bang, you've
got a scrimmage, because we might be opening up Week
one with the game that could ultimately deter our season.
Like it can help elevate us and springboard us, it
could literally cause us to collapse where we.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Pros don't have that.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
And so there's an element of like, I understand what
you're saying in the sense of they are meaningless where
there's nothing on the line, Like when it's the fourth
quarter and both teams are tied, you know, like it's
not like any team's really pushing to go get the
win one way or another that they would like to
see their young guys or a backup or someone go
(04:54):
get a win. But at the end of the day,
they just want to get back on the bus with
as many healthy players as possible and make it back
home safe.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Like that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Marvin Harrison Junior made the comment I think last week
where he said, yeah, I wish we did have a
pre like at least one preseason game in college.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Well, most big schools used to have that because they
have like a cupcake exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah. I just listen, I know you. You made the statement, well,
what mint you have been able to win the starting job? Yeah,
and my.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Answer, the answer would be this, I'm messing with you.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
The answer would be yes, because they would have been
warded it to him through practice.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Just do whatever, I know, different than they do it
in college.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So figure you wanted to debate me, but okay, I figured, okay,
I'm glad you were being circ way too seriously. We're
just sometimes I'm so super literal, and sometimes it just
depends on the mood that I'm in. You know, I'm
a parent of five, and and sometimes you can have
one of those days where they pluck your nerves so
(05:55):
good that you don't you're not sure what you know
you're at, you know, emotionally so and then throw marriage
into that too, by the way, that could be a
part of it. So it's no, don't No one needs
to turn this into a controversy. You know, I'm not
wearing a Packers jersey or jacket out of Bears game
or anything anything like that. There's no controversies. I'm just
(06:19):
saying it just depends my mood sometimes can vary depending
on you know, what I got going on.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
So see, I thought you were not happy about your
guy ap going with Minshew as opposed to as.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, No, listen, I think he's in a tough position
because he did not get a quarterback. And I think
everyone who's onlooking is probably you don't even have to
be an astute fan or person that understands football. I
think we all know that they don't have a quarterback.
(06:55):
I mean they're going to have to figure it out
with out a quarter back, and and and listen, I
don't want to sound like because to be a pro quarterback,
if you're Minshew, if you're O'Connell, like god bless, you're
in the pros and you're playing, so you are a quarterback.
I don't. I don't mean to say it that way,
and to you know, kind of be insulting to the
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fact that they've accomplished what they've accomplished.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't want to be dismissive of who they are
as people, because that's wrong. But to the point of
do you have a guy like we we're watching guys
out there playing and listen, I don't. I don't pretend
to know if if Caleb Williams is going to be
(07:41):
the guy, but it damn sure looks like he's going
to be, you know, one of the guys that that
is in this National Football League. And I think you
realize when you don't have a guy like Look at
the New York Giants, look no further than the g Men.
If you think that they think they had a guy
at the quarterback position, I would probably debate it, and
(08:04):
again on that point.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
On that point, I do find it interesting how preseason
it could either stoke the fires of expectations for franchises
or boy, it could already start that.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Sea getting hot.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Because really mean, I mean just I hate to jump
on you, but but really you can only hurt yourself
in preseason That's what I think. You can only hurt
yourself in preseason, like because if you do well, it's like, oh,
it's preseason. You're not going up against starters, you're not
showing anything. It's preseason, like it doesn't matter. But if
you stink it up, if you stink up preseason, then
(08:50):
like Daniel Jones, like people are jumping all on Daniel Jones,
Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, like like all he
has done has hurt himself, Like if he didn't play,
if they weren't playing him, we wouldn't even know to
hate him so much or to not like how he's playing.
We had still Hey, dude.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I remember in two thousand and nine and we were
literally in preseason. It was Eric Manngini's first year. Brian
Dable was calling plays, and we were running stuff that
like trying to like scheme up, trying to like win,
trying to like look good in preseason. And Week two
(09:34):
we got to Denver and I know this is I
traded there the next year, and we get blown out
by the Broncos, not even I mean, we couldn't do
anything offensively. And I remember talking to one of the
Broncos DBS, and they were like, Bro, you guys did
everything you were doing in preseason like that like in
(09:55):
our game. He's like, we knew everything you guys were
gonna do because y'all didn't change anything.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's like, why do you guys do that? Go? I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I was like, honestly, our coaching staff like wanted to
like really look good in preseason, and so they showed
a lot of concepts.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
They showed a lot of things they were doing.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
And we had a young team that year, so it
wasn't like in a lot of new pieces, So it
wasn't like you could adjust and adapt and do a.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Ton of things.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
And I just I thought to myself at that moment, like, yeah,
that's the difference. Like when I'm in year seven when
I got to Seattle and that was a team that
ended up going on to win the Super Bowl, they
were just running vanilla basic concepts and they, you know,
a lot oftentimes it was like if it was man
to man, they want you to go basically find a
matchup you like and give that guy a shot. And
(10:40):
then there was actually, in particular one moment when we
caught a time out Pete Carroll walks over and I
walked over to him and he goes, what are you thinking.
I was like, I'm gonna throw to so and so
if he's matched up one on one again, and he
goes exactly, He's like, that's exactly what I want.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You to do.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I go perfect. So we go back out there, literally
throw up a bomb to him.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
He had catching it for a touchdown, and that was like,
it was such an eye opening difference between how a
team that would eventually move on to win a Super
Bowl wanted to operate, wanted to put guys in positions
to compete, versus a coaching staff that was just like
trying to look good. And so to your point, like
I would actually say, you could there's really no upside
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in the sense of if you're a bad football team
that's trying to look good and you do look good,
you kind of set false expectations because a lot of
the other teams are looking at the game the same
way you are, and if you do have a pore preseason,
it can only then snowball effect, which it's funny like
the Colts, remember the Colts Jonas with Peyton, I want
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to say they historically were awful in the preseason and
would always like ball out. Obviously during his time with
the Colts, you could check the area, go back and
check that. But I want to say that was one
of the things that I used to always look at
and bring up and be like, the Colts really never
cared that much about preseason. They just want to get
the regular season healthy and feel good about where they
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were at.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
We went undefeated one year, five and O five and
O was a fact. Keep saying five and I think
it was five and oh we went and the Hall
of Fame game, then Hall of Fame game. Maybe it
was Osaka, I don't know either was four, was five
and oh Osaka? Okay, we went to Ocaka, Japan. Anyway, uh,
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and we've won like five games in the regular season.
I mean we went undefeated, whatever the number of games were.
We went undefeated in the preseason with coach Sperry or
his first year, and everybody was like he has arrived.
He he has brought that Florida Gators style to the NFL.
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And it is a wrath. I mean, we got to
the regular season and we won five games.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Now was that Durk? Like how many rounds of golf.
Do you think Spurriyer got in a week.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I don't know, but he told you he was heading there. Y'all.
Get in the gym, y'all, y'all get some some weights in,
you know, Uh, get home, get some rest. I'm I'm
gonna go. I'm gonna go hit them greens and go
a couple of balls.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
How would players were?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
My mind? I always felt like if we had enough pros,
we would have been a winning team. I just thought
we were young, we were immature, and then I just
didn't think that we handled how how I felt like
Steve Coach Spurrier respected us as pros. Like he was
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always like, yo, we're all pros here. That was his thing.
He'd always say, we're all pros here, like you know,
it's gonna show. It's gonna show on film. You know,
if you're not there, if you if you don't end
up being here, it's it's because you put it on
film or you didn't like we're all pros Like hey,
and and I was, I was like, man, like, this
is the greatest coach ever of all time. Like I
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love Coach Burrier because he allowed us to be who
we wanted to be. To a fault. It was to
a fault because there was enough. There wasn't enough dudes
that like dudes were going to the club the night
before games and stuff like. It was just bad. It
was just a bad environment. But I mean I liked him.
I thought his his schemes were were dope. I just
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we didn't have a quarterback either. Back to the original point,
we never had a quarterback. He brought in Shane Matthews,
love you bro, like Shane's dope dude. Brought in Danny
Warfle love you bro, dope dude. But we didn't have
a guy. We didn't have a guy at quarterback. We
just did not have a guy. My rookie year, we
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had two guys and they couldn't figure it out. North
couldn't figure it out. We you know, we knows that.
I really don't even think it was that bad. We
just didn't have a kicker. We just we were losing
games by like one point like every week. But we
had Brad Johnson and Jeff George on the same team
and that, you know, that didn't even work out. But
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you gotta have a guy, man, you gotta have a guy.
And I don't know, I just think preseason. Preseason says
that the New York Giants don't have a guy. Preseason
says that the Las Vegas Raiders they don't have a guy.
I just feel like you can figure out all of
those things. Whatever you're going to figure out, you can
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figure it out in practice. All those things you want
to work out on that, Like you said, trying to
look good in a preseason game versus you know, getting
the reads and different things and the discussion points from
the coach and stuff like that. Like I get dress rehearsals,
so when you have those enter you know, those those
two squad dual squad scrimmages and practices and stuff like that.
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I like the idea of that, I really do. I
like the idea of two teams coming together, practicing together,
and then getting out of there instead of sitting all
of the starters or deciding to play a couple of them,
a couple of them get judged. What if what if
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one of these other quarterbacks came out, What if Pat
Mahomes didn't do the behind the back? What if we
didn't see Caleb play the way that he played. Generally speaking,
I was thinking this too, and I was going to
ask you about this, and I know we're running a long, well,
at least I'm running long because I just don't hate
I hate the preseason. But like, when did you make
some of your best play, your best football? Your best
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football came in like the second quarter or the third
quarter of a game because you were able to get
a feel for what was going on. You got the
information this is what they're trying to do to me,
this is what they're running, here's here are the adjustments,
here's the feel of the game, here's a feel of
the speed of the game. All these different elements that
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go into being able to make plays, the plays that
people want to see. Some of those plays, some of
that solid play, a lot of times don't come until
later in the game. And if you're only playing one
or two series in a game, you can't. For me,
I would hate to be judged on one or two
series of a game where it's a game of getting
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into the flow of the game, feeling what's going on
in the game, looking at your coaches, looking at your teammates,
what are they doing out there? What can we do
to be better? Making the just I just feel like,
what is the point of it? And I'm done, I'm
off my soapbox.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Well, I think the quick answer to that is it
used to be kind of the warm up for guys
before the real thing would happen. Obviously, as you know,
I know now, I think it's transitioned to help younger players,
rookies back into the roster, guys get their shots.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
So I will say.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
This for some of the guys that I've always got
a soft spot by heart who weren't going to make
it to the regular season roster, some of the last
football they may ever play, and in the NFL putting
on an NFL uniform, NFL field and all that. So
there's a soft spot in my heart for those guys.
There's a soft spot in my heart for some of
those guys that that might be the only playing they
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ever really get and they bounce around for a few
years and that's it. So I understand it's purpose to
your point of you know how many games and all that,
because I think you maybe called for one preseason game,
maybe one or two, probably one.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I think they'll go to two at some point soon
once they're go to eighteen.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
But it, you know, it does seem like there is
some big time downside with potential injury risk, et cetera.
But I look, I know Jonas loves it because the
bears a hot right now, Johnny, they've got.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
All the momentum.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But don't want Hilla Williams lighting the world on front.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Whatever you do, don't you make comparisons because he does
not seem to be a fan of that. We will
get to hear from that and from Cam Williams on
all that coming up here shortly.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It is maybe it was that he was throwing that day.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I mean, I don't want to give it away on
the air, but LeVar made a point off the air
which I don't think you can actually say.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Light on light crime. Yes, yeah, yeah, I said it
on air.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Wow means yeah, well like Star Wars, Yes.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, you got, you got. It's perfectly like Star Wars.
You got, you got the light side, you got the
dark side. Wom like squaam won't won't won't like that.
That's that's wo wo woh won't want want that's the
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dark side. Right Lee watching Star Wars, He's on the
dark side.
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Speaker 1 (22:04):
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Speaker 3 (22:07):
What was that for? Jonas John Bon? Jo, Baby, Let's
get it go home? What you got for? What was that?
Big fan? Now?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I'm just not a fan of people to eat curry
the night before and let me walk into their fart cloud.
That's what I'm not a fan of.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Quaking a wellness update on late.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
I was gone for three days, so uh, I needed
to make sure everything's back and working.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
For this is like he just fumigated the studio and
Lorraine is sitting there like that's unbelievable. I don't even
think she noticed.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Actually, really believable.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
I actually thought I smelled something, and I was like,
I shouldn't make assumptions.
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Oh my cause he just walked in. I was like,
that'd be so rude him to just walk in and
be smelly. But here we are.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Lee.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Last we spoke to you, you were stepping on a
nail in your backyard while drinking a beer listening to
our show on a Friday morning at three am.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
Drinking my nightstand beer. Yeah, the foot is good.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Uh didn't really puncture his skin, So I don't think
I need that tetanis shot.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, you probably still needed it, man, Hey, Lee, he
might need one just in general.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
That's the last one you got, Bud.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I don't know. There you go, see, just just a
Z pack on call, just whenever, whenever necessary, Just throw
one of those in and and fix everything. By the way,
the knee probably would benefit from it, you know, the
healing of the knee.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
That was probably I was watching a movie last night
with a younger Russell Crowe. Why does the Lee remind
me of a younger Russell Crow.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
That's a cople of that.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
Yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, you got a Russell Crowe.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Look better than an older better than an older Russell Crow.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Come on, he got heavy for that role?
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Which role all with all the rules?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, a lot of them.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
Yeah, he's uh, Hey, Russell Crow is good looking, dude,
I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Watching what was The Quick and Dead or something like that?
Had an all star cas had Gene Hackman, have Russell
Crowe had a young Leonardo DiCaprio in there. I think
it was like The Quick, Quick and Dead or something
to that, something like that.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
But well, I'm sure you watched the terrible movie this
week and what was it?
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Well, uh, nothing too terrible.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
I did go see the new Alien Romulus movie, which
was I'd say, you know, I'd put it up there
as the third best movie.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Of the of the series.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
And then I saw I saw a great movie called Kneecap,
which it's also in theaters. It's about these native Northern
irishmen who do hip hop and it's the actual guys
in it, and it's great.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
It's fantastic movie. I'd recommend it highly.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, with a description like that, I mean people be
flocking the theaters nearby to go see iris.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
I thought it's guys keeping it's guys keeping the Northern
Irish native language life.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Gaelic.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Gaelic.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Gaelic is the Northern Irish language here.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
It's really hard to understand.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
It's impossible to understand, sure, but the hip hop is great, awesome.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Joan has called me to check on me. Man. I
appreciated that. Man.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I told you not to say that on the air.
Don't kill my rap.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I really did. Man, I appreciated that. Man, are you
not okay? I feel really good? No, I was. I
didn't know what what he was called. I was shocked, like,
you're calling me outside of the show, like, what's this
must be an emergency.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I just I saw that you were, you know, going
to be out on up on game on Saturday. I
was making sure everything was good.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Dope, dope reason too, by the way, man, super dope.
I get my wires tangled up sometimes. I'm sure you
guys are aware of this. Uh, I'm not great with
my schedule, so things pop up and I'm a last
minute type of can't do this, can't make it because
I got to go do this. I didn't. I didn't
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realize that those were the same days or whatever. WOOTI woop.
But Archie Griffin got his statue revealed at at the
Rose Bowl. Yeah. No, I was invited to be there
and take part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
So that's cool.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Oh man, it was pretty awesome. Man. That's an extraordinary man.
You know. It's like there's certain dudes you're around, and
the energy of who they are is almost like kind
of like it's so humbling and in some ways overwhelming.
I mean Archie Griffin is that's a fine man, I
(26:39):
mean a super fine man. Who was it the other.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Day that like didn't even They're like I don't care.
However many years ago, I'm like, man, one of one.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Was like, that is not the answer.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I can't remember who was saying this on camera, but
it was like it was an Ohio State player too,
And it's like how you could go to Ohio State
and not know who he not know who Archie Griffin
is or now respect who he is who he was
as a player is out of my mind.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I just I do not understand that. Can't comprehend it.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
And if you call yourself like a student of the game,
like that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You got to know the history of the game too.
And you can't like put on some clips. Man, go
look at that man.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Run like, go look at that man back as a
player if you if you think it, he wasn't legititer,
he couldn't play today's game.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I'm like, come on, man, he played in four Rose Bowls.
Four that means they won. They won it. They did
what they needed to do four times.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Remember when Connor Cook was on stage like they'd won
I think it was the Big Ten championship and he
just sort of like grabbed the trophy and kind of,
you know, brushed aside Archie while he was on stage
with him, and everyone's like, do you know who that is?
Like that you just got that trophy from like I
ran the conference, Like he's one of the greatest players
in the history of the conference. And he just sort
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of dismissed it and he got a lot of heat
for it, and for good reason. That is awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I mean, he was more it's more inspirational to hear
what he's doing outside of the game. Like his there's
the fun that they had, the trust that they have
that that awards scholarships to to non scholarship athletes to
Ohio State. I mean, his his countless amounts of boards
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that he sits on. I was like, I want to
be on boards, man, Like I want to be a
positive contributor and idea maker and and and give her
to you know some of these you know, some of
these institutions that I'm connected to. I mean, he inspired me.
I left that I left that inspired. I left that
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dedication to unveiling inspired and I mean that that's all
you could for me, that's all I could hope to
be is to live a life where I inspire people
to want to do great things. And I mean shots
out to Archie Griffin, man, shots out to you, my guy,
and your family. His whole family was there. That's a
testament of a true person too. You know, a great
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person is all his siblings that I mean, they're all
still alive too. They were all there. All his kids
were there, his wife was there. Everyone was there, and
Ohio showed up. Ohio State showed up. They showed up.
So it's pretty cool. Man, Yeah, that's pretty fifty years.
Fifty years has elapsed.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Dude is a beast and he's still like he's all
there mentally, all there. Like he's not like punch drunk
where you feel bad like oh man like man like, nah,
dude is sharp, sharp dude, man. And I can't believe
I'm saying that about Ohio State guy. But some things
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just go go bigger. They go deeper than just just
being you know, rivals and something like that. You know,
it's humanity connected to this.
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uh light on light crime that you were talking about, LeVar,
but you were.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
At I'd say, was he throwing shade when he threw
it to Matthew Stafford and Aaron Rodgers? Was he throwing shade?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
So after his performance over the weekend, Caleb Williams was
asked because Tyreek Hill made a comparison that many took
to be comparing him to Patrick Mahomes meaning him meaning Kayleb.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Williams looked like Patrick Mahomes out there.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
And so Caleb Williams talked about his team's performance and
then also addressed the question about the comparisons between Tyreek Hill,
Patrick Mahomes him and this is outsounded.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Our best today.
Speaker 9 (31:14):
We started out slow, and you know we can't do
that in this you know, the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
You can't come out here and start slow.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
So myself included we're gonna we're gonna get a lot better.
We're gonna keep growing, and we're gonna have a lot
of fun doing it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Winning these games.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
Going out there versus these other teams playing is one
to your question, it's respect, you know, it's it's cool
and all.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
But you know.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
I'm Caleb Williams, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hills, Tyreek Hill,
you know much love to them and things like that,
met them, talk to them both and things like that.
But you know, we're here to We're here to win
games for Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Awesome the Bears.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, how about that far anything like that.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I don't feel like that was too shady. I mean
he is Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hill is Tyreek Hill the
way you say Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. I mean
he kind of like shot his name out very quickly,
like very quickly, but you know he's right. I mean,
you wouldn't want to be lumped into being like your
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greatness is basically you know, like, oh, you look like
you play like you know, and that guy is still playing.
I mean I would want to be if a dude
was saying, yeah, man, you're playing like LT or if
Ray Lewis was still playing with player, Oh yeah, you
look like LT You look like Ray Lewis out there
while you're playing. I'd be like, hell yeah. I mean
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that's dominance, you know. I just I don't take too
much to it. I don't. I don't think he was
meaning to throw shade at at Patrick Mahomes. But it
is interesting that it wasn't greeted with kind of like,
I don't know, like open arms. It was more like,
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don't compare me to him, like I'm who I am
and I'm okay with being that guy, you know, and
and that that could lead up to something. I mean,
if if he turns out to be as good as
he needs to be, then what Chicago Bears meet the
Kansas City Chiefs and the super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And well they got him this Thursday in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
So oh, how does that even Matter's true?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
The ones they got to say about this with with
Caleb Williams, because you see the splash plays and you
see those plays that made people say that reminds me
of Patrick Mahomes, and I think that's why the whole
idea comes up, or the comparison comes up, and you
can't deny the fact that he can do things that
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most quarterbacks in the NFL can't. Now there's still some
that can, but he's got the talent and.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Ability that's rare.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
And you could see through some of those plays, some
of those throws why he was allotted the way he
was as the number one overall quarterback player. And you
know the comparisons made to Patrick Mahomes. So it's all warranted.
Anyone who is a hater or a denier will see
it now if they hadn't seen it before in college,
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and now they'll be able to apply and say, Okay,
that's what he's capable of. To me, the onus is
on the organization because there was a point in time
in that game where it was a little sluggish offensively,
you know, and I don't know if that's a matter
of the offensive line protection wasn't always great. They might
not want to be show everything they're going to do, right,
like you want to test out some of what whims
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can do in the offense, but not too much because
it's a preseason game, so there's those elements of it,
and so Shane Waldron could be trying to hold some
stuff back to get to the regular season where you
start scheming up teams, whatever the case may be, this
is still not a great football team around Caleb Williams.
He will be able to, you know, overcome some of
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you know, their deficiencies, but he will not be able
to carry them every single week for seventeen games. They've
got to help him out. They've got to continue to
improve and grow. That's the That's the one thing that
I kind of took away from what I saw. But
I do appreciate how he ends every press conference with
a go Bears or go to Bears.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, every single one, Russell Wilson till you know it's
going to go.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
It's different, though, it's different. It's got his own little
flare on it. I don't know, some something feels different
about it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
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Speaker 3 (36:01):
It's actually a good song.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Did you just say you hate this song?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's actually a good song.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Who said they hated it? I know you might know.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I must have mishurd I guess all right, So this
danger zoned by Kenny Loggins. People listening to the podcast,
that's what the song is. We can't play it, obviously,
But every time I hear this song, I laugh because
my buddy Eric Lee, you know him, King of the
Sneaky Beer, My buddy, it's he loves this song so
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much so when he would go into my brother's bar,
he would request to play the song on the jukebox,
like ten times in a row, and so every time
the song would start, my brother would have a remote
from his office and switch it over to the next song.
He must have blown through fifty bucks in a single
day try to get this song on the jukebox. My
brother would hide the remote and come around the corner
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and turn it, so literally ten times in a row,
all you heard was the beginning do don done, dun,
And then he would just skip it again and skip
it until it blew through all his money, so messed up.
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Good morning everybody. Good morning Jonas, Good morning Braddy, Good
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Guys.
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In case you missed this yesterday. Kaitlyn Clark, Hey learn yesterday.
Kaitlyn Clark First, Hey Brady versus the Seattle Storm none assist.
She's been averaging eight point three per game, and that
made her surpass the previous record from nineteen ninety eight.
She now has two hundred and thirty two assists, which
makes her gives her the record for most assists by
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a rookie in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
We passed in the half of that ball.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, but how many turnovers does she have? What else
is wrong with her?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
That team, I mean, they just cannot accept her.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
They cannot accept the attention she gets. And for people
who I mean the first half of the game she struggled,
but she came on in the second half man earlier
this weekend. If you saw that game, I mean, she
looks like Steph Curry out there.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
It's astonishing to me because when Steph, Like because when
the NBA became hot, it wasn't like dudes were hating
on them. They're like, oh, this guy could It's never
been like that. They're like, dang, this dude is special,
he's real, he's different. For some reason, the WNBA cannot
get that in their heads. Like we understand, you've had
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good players before, There's been no one like her, none
of no one who's come before has shot the ball
like she is, or even is passing the ball like
she does.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Give her her due.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Just accept it.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
It's crazy to me how like the women in the
NBA WNBA cannot accept her.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
It's the most popular of the sport the league's ever been, right.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Not even close. It's never come close to this. It's
because of her, yes.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Like why would you not embrace that? Like all the money,
all the eyeballs coming in, It just it benefits everybody,
and they just continue to want to put it down.
I don't get it her, Angel Reese
Speaker 4 (39:38):
You know you throw on Angel like I'm not watching
freniwe but Kaylen Clark
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