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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, Rady Winn, and Jonas Knox.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
On box Foorts.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Radio Tuwa, Takabailoa was talking with Dan Levatard and Crew
the Dan Levatard Show with Stu Gotts and the conversation
about his former head coach, Brian Flores came up and
the differences between Brian Flores and Mike McDaniel, his new
head coach, and it sounded a little something.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Like this, to put it in simplest terms, if you
woke up every morning and I told you you sucked
at what you did, that you don't belong doing what
you do, that you shouldn't be here, that this guy
should be here, that you haven't earned this right. And
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then you have somebody else come in and tell you, dude,
you are the best fit for this, like you are accurate,
you are the best whatever you or this you are
that how would it make you feel listening to one
or the other.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
And then you hear it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You hear it regardless of what it is, the good
or the bad, and you hear it more and more
you start to actually believe that I don't care who
you are, you could be the president of the United States.
You have a terrible person that's telling you things that
you don't want to hear or that you probably shouldn't
be hearing, You're gonna.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Start to believe that about yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And it was basically been what two years of training
that out of not just me, but you know, a
couple of the guys as well that have been here
since my rookie year all the way to now.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, so there's your breakdown of Brian Flores' ten year
with the Dolphins. And I can remember when we were
doing shows on Sunday nights, and I remember Brady and
I having conversations about why does why does Brian Flores
keep taking two out of games? One game in particular
was a game at Denver, like in the four fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
He was a rookie.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Ye remember that Ryan Fitzpatrick was the backup quarterback, and
it was like he did it. Then he did it
again against the Raiders later in the season, and it
was like, well, don't you want him to go through
those growing pains as a rookie. But it did feel
like Flores just never had faith in the guy and
to see what he's become now under Mike McDaniel, not
a not a great sign for Brian floor is there?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Do you want it? Yuh?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Can't you think?
Speaker 6 (02:24):
The other part of this is I'll just say the
other part of this is the statistical progression and how
much better he's got under Mike McDaniel. But even back then,
I mean, think about what he came into the NFL,
what it was during. It was during COVID, so there
was more restrictions on what they were able to do
in the offseason. Do you guys remember who the offensive
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coordator was that year? They brought it Chan Gaily Chan
Gailly was retired at the time before he came back
out there install an offense that was really built.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
For Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Ryan Fitzpatrick had had a bunch of experience, it's playing
for Chan and Gaily back with the Buffalo Bills, So
that was more of the thought to the offense, the system,
how it was going to work in a time when
Tua gets drafted and he can't really be as involved
as you are now, you know, post COVID or pre COVID,
whatever you want to phrase it. If you looked at
their offensive line play over the next two years. His
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first two years, it was atrocious for Miami. I mean,
if we're being honest, it's improved, but that's probably still
a weak point on their roster, and so they didn't
have a running game. He wasn't being protected, you know,
early on in twenty twenty, I think Devonte Parker was
this number one wide receiver. You know, their receivers had
a hard time getting separation, that issues with drops.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I mean, it was a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
And he still did okay to a degree, but to
your point, it felt like Brian Flores was looking for
any opportunity to get the younger player out.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
This was a bit interesting only because it's.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Like you were there as the head coach when you
drafted the guy. You know, like like how I mean,
either you're trying to foil the entire plan altogether for
Chris Greer, you know, or you just have zero faith
in him. Either way, you know, it seemed like this
has been the perfect scenario for two or for Mike
McDaniel to come in and install an offense and surrounded
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with personnel that plays to his strengths, and you now
see what Miami's capable of doing, and maybe it sounds
like a slap in the face of Brian Flores, and
Brian Flores comes from a different, you know background, as
far as you know his coaching style.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
You know he's hard on players.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
You know, Tom Brady's talked a lot about you know,
the motivation, and you know, playing for Bill Belichick, it's
it's not compliments.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Look, I played for a bunch of coaches that had
come from the Bill Belichick tree, and if they're not
telling you something, you're doing your job. When they're saying
something to you, it's because they care. But it's gonna
in a negative event. It's constructive criticism, and that's where
I feel like today's athlete isn't as mentally prepared for that.
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You know, they need to be told they're doing it right.
They need to be told they're doing well, you know,
whereas back then it was like, all right, if you
don't hear anything from him, you're doing your job.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Like that that's all you needed.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
So it's changed a ton, I think as far as
the type of player it's coming into the league and
the type of coach that's needed for it.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
But even then, like.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
I don't necessarily look at how Brian for Is, and
only two really knows how the relationship was.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I don't look at it as a being bad coaching.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
He just had a different style of it, and that
style obviously is tougher for today's athlete.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
That's where I fall on it, honestly, like I think
that in today's society, we get so caught up into
the I guess, the wow factor when somebody says something
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We also make people who are you know.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
I want to be careful in how I say this,
but the victim card is very It's running rampant in
our society right now, and people jump all over the
victim card. When when he said what he said, I
heard so many people say so many things and so
many derogatory things about about floras as a person and
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as a coach. Tua came into the league in twenty
twenty correct he's only been one game better since since
he since Floraes has not been the head coach there.
His rookie year, they won ten games. They won ten games.
I think to have played ten games. They won ten
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games that year. Two has only won eleven games. His
highest win total has been eleven under Michael. Under Mike
Daniel Daniels, Daniel, Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
There we go.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
His his interceptions, we're at its highest. Last year. It
was only five interceptions his rookie year. Now, granted he
didn't throw as much, he didn't play as much, but
the ball seemingly was being protected more his rookie year.
Now he threw for a ton of yards and twenty
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three time he threw four a ton of yards and
in twenty three. But the one statistic that really jumped
out at me was he's never broke seventy percent. And
in his completion accuracy and in his completion percentage, he's
never broken He was close last year, he never He's
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never broken out. He's never jumped out of sixty percent.
So when you really look at it his yards and passing, yes,
it's going up. But I'm if I'm looking at this
from a sensible standpoint, I don't think it's if he's.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Able to some way, somehow stay on the field.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
On hold on, hold, on, hold on sure.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
I'm just saying, first off, a completion percentage at sixty
nine percent is really really good. The NFL record at
one point, it's like seventy it's got a little over
that now. But you're talking about like for a season,
I mean, for five hundred and sixty attempts, that's damn
near the best probably if you go back and look
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at the last year.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
But they're all comparable. That's all gonna be top three,
they're all comparable.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Not really, not really, He's the only The only reason
I said is because you're trying.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
To well, I am, I'm not trying. I'm trying to
I am comparing. I am, I'm not trying. I'm comparing
his performances other.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Than many, Bro, you're not even making sense of it.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
He started games in twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Twenty, forty six years old. That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
He started nine games in twenty twenty, they didn't win all.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Time, makes sense.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
I'm telling you his his comparables, his comparables are comparable.
But there it's his career and I'm looking at it
from day one to day now. And to say, just
based off of his yardage, you could say his yardage
is vastly different. Other than that, there are nothing, there's
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nothing that you could sit there and say that his
progression would have been any differently, any different in terms
of what he's accomplished to what he accomplished on day one.
There's no correlation that says to me, the way he
was being coached day one would be any different than
what it was if Flores was still to head coach,
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because as a rookie, as a rookie.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
So God, God, sure, God, So so let me just
go over the stats so we're accurate and.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
We're not just throwing out numbers.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, okay, Well accurately started.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Nine games this rookie year he was there was six
and three in those games, So you talked about them
being a ten win team, right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That's correct.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
The next year he went seven and five as a starter.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Now, so so even in both those cases, neither of
which he's fully accountable for the wins that you marked
for Brian Flores of that Dolphins team.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Okay, so that's the first part he was throwing and eighty.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
One expand on that, What do you mean he's not start.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
All the games those two seasons? Right?
Speaker 6 (10:18):
So if he only if let's see, God, just why
don't you let me finish at numbers out a listen
to you.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You like to jump into I'm gonna jump point to
make a point.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Go ahead, you well here's okay, let's just pull back
the full curtain.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I'm on a Lucy app LeVar, so I'm on a delay.
So it's gonna be a little bit difficult if if
the back and forth and all that. So, so, can
you give me a second to give you all the
stats and you can.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Discern whatever you want? Got you Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You do the saying when I come in, though, when
I respond to you, you do the.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Same because you Okay, So if they won ten games
and Brian Floor is one of those first two years, correct, Okay,
he didn't start all those games they won. So if
you're trying to say, well, he's only gotten to eleven
wins or whatever with with Mike, well yeah, that's a
lot more than they had. The most he's ever had
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as a starting quarterback under Flores was seven.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
He was throwing for his rookie year one hundred and
eighty one yards per game. He's now throwing for two
hundred and seventy two. So that's a significant increase. His
completetion percentage to jump five percent, which you might say,
well that is not seventy percent, but sixty nine percent
from sixty four percent, and when you're throwing the ball
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almost double because of the amount of starts and attempts.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
That is significant.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Much of everything he did last year was a significant jump.
And of course, like you're gonna throw more interceptions as
you throw more pass attempts. So for example, like that
number has actually been rather consistent. There's a thing called
interception percent is right, and that's like what percentage of
interceptions per throw, So that number has pretty been actually
down down below his second year when he was at
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two point six percent of his passes were intercepted. Last
year is a two point five year before two point
owner McDaniel. So I'm just saying from a statistical standpoint,
there's a strong argument to be made that the system,
the play calling, the personnel, everything.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Around him has been improved.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
And so I don't know that you can just put
it on Brian Flores, but at least statistically speaking, like
it is undeniable the way he's jumped from where he
was his rookie year is second year into years three
and four now. But but again, like you can't just
contribute to one thing. It's always a number of things.
But that's all painting out the picture, and I'm not
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a bad picture.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
I get that, and I'm not trying to defend Brian
floya As. All I'm saying is is there's there are
two sides to every story.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And and for what it's worth, for what it's worth,
is there.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
I don't know the seasons per se exactly how they
played out, whether it was injury that he didn't play.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Or whether he was taken out.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I just know he was being he was being substituted
for what was it Fitzpatrick? Was it subbed during that time?
I know that he was being subbed in and out.
So as far as the wins and the losses are concerned,
I'm not certain that because Brian Florez as a coach
felt as though, which I know for a fact, I mean,
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I think we would all know that if Brian Floors
is taking two out and putting Ryan Fitzpatrick in, is
because he feels like Ryan Fitzpatrick is giving them a
better opportunity to win than what two ways. That's how
I interpret that. Now, whatever comes of that is what
comes of that. But they have yet to finish with
a better ranking than what they finished when Brian floor
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As was the head coach. Now, they made it to
the playoffs and have lost in the first round every
time they've made it into the playoffs. But with that
being said, they've never won a division and maybe we
think they're in a better position than what they were
with Brian Floores.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
I don't I don't care to debate it. It doesn't matter.
All I'm saying is is that to sit there and
say like, this is a horrible person. This guy told
me I'm not this, and you're gonna believe that. And
other guys from my class feel the same exact way.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I do.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Come from an old school way of coaching. Be around
Bill O'Brien, and I've never been around him as a coach,
but I've heard about it. I've been around guys like
Ray Rhodes. I've been around guys like Greg Williams, Dale Lindsey.
Be around some of these coaches.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Believe you me.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
If you're saying they called you this and this and that,
to you, Bro, your skin is way too thin. Is
that's football coach? At least as I know it. That's
always been football culture. To talk crazy so much to
the tune where one time I told Dale Lindsey. That
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man has a name and served our country. He served
our country and made the team, and you're calling him
dumb mother effort, and that's what you're referencing him as
every single time you address him.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
That man has a name.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
All I'm saying is is that maybe it's just a
tad bit overstated to sit there and act as though
that this is some crazy revelation that that Michael McDaniel
is is this way way out better coach than what
Brian Flores was for that Dolphins team.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But is it fair to say, though, that one of
the main priorities as a head coach in the NFL
is if your team drafts a quarterback in the top
five and he's the franchise guy.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And wasn't the debate.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Wasn't the debate there that that maybe Flores didn't even
want to draft him.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Wasn't there a debate there on that it could have been?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But they drafted him, and so his job was to
get the most out of him. And you can't argue
with the fact that Tua by far and away a
better quarterback.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Who's to say that that didn't like being the type
of quarterback that he is Under.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
But hard coaching bell he was under Saban. Saban's a
hard coach, so he's a hard ass coach. So I
don't know if it's that. I just think Flores wasn't
a fan of Tua, and clearly all loved the interpretation.
I don't disagree with him not being a fan of two.
I mean I don't I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
The one thing where I can assure you to it
would have never got to this point with Brian Flores's
Brian Flores never left him in the game.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
So probably would have got a quarterback actually stay in
the game.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
I don't disagree with that. All I'm saying there's two
sads to every story. That's all I'm saying. It's too
sad there, like he's coming out like this dude was
like the most horrible dude ever to what what the
situation is. I mean, that sounds like par for the
course for a lot of coaches that I've been around.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
The tough thing too, about the Saban comparison. Saban obviously
was a tough coach on his players. Every player will
tell you that. But who came in as a freshman
and threw a pass to win a national championship. You
have to remember how all that went down to when
he when he got the Aaron, you know, comes comes
in and throws that dime up the left sideline. I
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believe it was to be Georgia, right, Yeah. I mean
that's the sort of you know, that's the sort of
play that kind of at that point, like, I don't know,
if you are a defensive line of coach, if you
are a hard coach, you're probably like, well, this dude
helped me win a national championship, dropping a dime on
one of the biggest stages ever as a freshman, Like,
you're probably gonna beat him.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
The benefit it out.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
The coaching style, even if it's hard, it might be
a little different from that point moving forward.
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Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, if anybody was wondering whether or not this show
can create change, whether or not we've got influence on
major storylines in the world of sports, yesterday you did it.
Demanded that the Washington Commandos may make a decision at
quarterback side. All right, everybody figured it's got to be
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Jaden Daniels. They hadn't officially made the announcement, yet you
called them out.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah. We turned the screws yesterday on him.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
We put the heat on him so much so that
Dan Quinn, the head coach of the Washington Commandos, made
the decision, Jaden Daniels is our starting quarter back. And
here was the reasoning behind that decision.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
It was a process.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And when that process was time, I know he'd know,
and I'd let you know.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And as much as we knew Jayden would get there,
Adam and I were.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Most excited about watching how.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
He would and the how has been absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
He's ready and he's earned the.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Right to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yep, so you're welcome. Everybody got that done yesterday. I
forced the issue and the issue got taken care of.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Which is a better situation to have a better year,
which could ultimately lead to having Rookie of the Year.
Is it the Bears and Caleb in the north or
is it Jayde and Daniels in the South? I think
I think, I mean the excuse me, I think it's
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jaydeon Daniels. I honestly believe that Jade and Daniels, and
I've said this before the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
This is no shade. I've said this.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
I believe Jayde and Daniels was the best quarterback in
this draft. I believe that. And that's not me shooting
biased because he went to my former team. I felt
as though, if we were looking at what took place
this past season and how it played out, I thought
that Jade and Daniels was playing the best football as
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a football player maybe maybe maybe, I mean as a quarterback.
I thought he was playing the best football. So I
oppose the question to you guys. I mean, you got Dallas.
I don't know what's going to happen with this whole
CD LAMB, assuming they're going to get done with it.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And then if you have CD LAMB, then I.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Feel like Dallas is the is the team to beat.
Philly's going to be pretty dang good. So you got
a top two, you know, top heavy team and those
those two teams. But imagine if Jaydeon Daniels is able
to be competitive against those two teams in the NFC East.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I mean, is that is that? Is that a? Is it?
I guess the question pausible.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
The question would be is it more likely Washington wins
their division or Chicago wins theirs?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
If you're looking at it, I think it's more likely
neither one of them winning.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Well, that's it's not really a fair comparison because you know,
the NFC North doesn't have I know they have Detroit,
but they don't have Philly. Like Philly's been a top
contending team for a while.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I saw an interesting stat yesterday.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
It was like, dating back to twenty fifteen, the amount
of games teams have gone without scoring a touchdown. Philly
actually had the fewest in that span. I think they've
had three games or something like that. It was some
ridiculous stat and they were the only team, by the
way like that high.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
So it's they've been one of the.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Most consistent franchises and that's a much tougher hill to
climb and get over, I think for Washington than it
is for Chicago to you know, go to the Detroit
team that we think is there, Like we think it's there,
but like can they do it two years in a row?
Can they get back to it? Like that's always a
big question mark. So I mean, look, Jay Daniels won
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the Heisman last year, so you know your eyes aren't
deceiving you, LeVar. I mean, he's he was the best
player in college football. I said yesterday, he's got He
had the best tape of any of the quarterbacks. I
think he's I think he's in a better situation too
in Washington. I think his ability with Cliff Kingsbury system
and the weapons they have around him are going to
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be better for this team this year.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Now.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
I don't know long run as things continue to develop
in Chicago, but I at least think out the Gate.
I wouldn't be surprised either if he didn't have a
better year and this team didn't maybe compete for.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
A wildcard spot.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I think that's probably their ceiling this year is a
wildcard spot only because say what you want about Dallas,
the situation, you know, once you know Dak's out there
on the field, once this team's there, like they're gonna
win some football games like that, it's gonna be Philly
in Dallas for the division, and then I think it's
gonna be Washington somewhere maybe factoring in.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
I'm kind of fall along that line of thought. That's
I feel I feel like that's pretty accurate. It's going
to be tougher to have a better year if I'm
the Washington Commanders than if I was Caleb Williams on
the Chicago Bears. I think they're I think they're still
going to have their struggles in Chicago, I really do.
I think they're going to be solid on defense. I
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think they're going to be solid on offense. I think
it's going to be a solid team. But I still
need to see are they able to is he able
to to adjust and adapt and be that guy once
they start scheming for him. Once there's film on him
as a pro, how is that going to look for
him going through this season? And I look, I think
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the same thing about Jaydon Daniels. But with that being said,
I just feel like they have a lot of They
have nice they have two backs, they have two to
three receivers, they have a decent offensive line, and you
know their defense is going to be pretty damn good.
That's what I do know. I think McLaurin, mcclaurin, how
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you say its.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Terry McLaurin, by the way, most underrated player in the league.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He's pretty a pretty special dude.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
And and Docson Dotson is is a pretty I mean,
he's a great compliment. I just I think that with
their backfield, they added Austin Eckler to that backfield, so
they'll him and Gibson will split time. I just think
it's a pretty balanced team, and I think it sets
the stage for Jaydon Daniels. Like like you said, under
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Kingsbury's his his style of calling games and his way.
It's it's it's along the lines of what Laflora and
all those other guys, McDaniels, all those guys, you know,
Kyle Shanahan. It's like along the lines of of like
a very very innovative new way of approaching the game
and rhythm of how they call the games. I just
(25:02):
think that it's the stage is set for Jayde and
Daniels to have one of those years where you're.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Like, damn, you think he's trying to know he was
that good. You think he's Rookie of the Year. I
think he's.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
In in in a really really solid position to outplay
any rookie this year.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's what I'll say.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
So on DraftKings plus yeah, plus two fifty.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Plus four seventy five, I would take no way, yeah, yeah.
So take Caleb Williams is a plus one thirty five,
So one hundred wins you won thirty five and one
hundred win you four seventy five.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
On Jamas, I.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Take j Daniel who who's ahead of Jayden and Daniels.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Nobody, that's the that's the gas between him and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That's the second. Wow, that's a big gap.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I take that. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
I think it's more so about Chicago than it is
about Caleb.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well and also they got the hard knocks curse. That
doesn't help either like that doesn't help anybody that's on
that chief.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Said Neil Bider, What did you say? You know the
hard knocks? You know that one said what? I don't
know what you were I was asking what you were
getting at.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So I have a serious question for you guys on this,
all right, I mean, I'm serious about this. Do you
think was Dan Quinn? Do you think he was listening
live to the show yesterday when I put the heat
on him to make an announcement or was it the podcast?
Do you think like when he decided somebody told him?
Do you think so word of mouth? Okay, yeah, Brady, Like,
(26:36):
when do you think he got word that? It was
me who said?
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I'm not sure when he heard it. I mean, he
most likely heard.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
It from someone who was in the organization, maybe a
staffer who then has a friend who happens to wake
up early that also as a friend that gets up
early for work that listens to the show they're.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Driving, but actually doesn't talk about the show to anyone.
It's it's one of their work associates that they work with.
Gotcha that actually ended up you know hearing it?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, that's one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
What is most likely actually never do talk about to
Dan Quinn.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Okay, I don't know, man, it might have got there.
That's I mean, that's insulting. I mean, you know, for
you to go that direction, people listen.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
To the show man. That's why I will and people
in that organization listen to this show.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, And I'm telling you right now, this show is
the reason why Jade naners.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
I would not under sail the value of Brady Quinn
and Jonas Knox on this show.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Especially.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Jonas. How'd your bets go this past weekend?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Thank I mean, that's that's irrelevant, all right, And and
I think wanton.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Indicator he did win, all.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Right, think thankfully a hooker showed up and fought well
this weekend in the UFC San hook.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's got a lot of fight him. Yeah. I let
me tell you, Dan Hooker put on a performance. I mean,
if we're being honest, he's a hooker down.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
He probably shouldn't have gotten the decision, so I should
have been going five. But you know the point is, yeah,
I bounced back from that and I implemented change in Washington.
And people could say, well, no, it's his preseason performance
is the way he looked in practice. No no, no, no no,
it's because this show said you make a decision.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I thought she was talking about you gambling. No, did
you say that, Phil Dona you died?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Did he? Yeah? Man eighty eight? I believe he was
no kidding. A lot of people.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Probably don't even know who Phil Donahue is. They probably
think he's a coach, you know, yeah, which there was
a Donahue that was a coach, Terry Donahue. Phil was
like the first person that was saying you're not the
dad and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I think Terry Donahue was the head coach of U
C l A. I think he went to Burbank High School.
Doesn't he have a statue at the Rose Bowl? I
think I think he has a statue. I think he
I think my mom went to high school, right, I
think my mom went to high school with him Burbank.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Hi back on Harry Donahue or.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Terry Donahue, not Phil. Phil is the talk show host,
right he just did. Yeah, yeah, he's out of here,
damn rp G. Yeah I had a great run, Yes
he did. He did have a great run. So we
are uh so yeah, that's that's I mean, you're welcome.
(29:27):
Anybody that was wondering you did call it out though,
I mean you did, yeah, quarterback and it got done.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And then they did it.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, it got done. Thank you, You're welcome. Good job,
happy to help. You want to make a bowl call today?
Like what you calling out today? Let's lamb and wait wait.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Wait wait wait I got it. I got it.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
Another one call out, Brandon Aiyuk. Here you go call
out the forty nine. Do that.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm glad you brought that up. This was pointed out
to me by one now.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
By one, Brady Quinn. I mean, since you won it,
here we go, Brandon Ayuk. Update. All right, eight hundred
and thirteen in a row. We need some imaging for it.
It's been going on so long.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
We can create a quor can we just play the
sound effect from a street Fighter? I you can and
just play that over and over again on repeat so
we can get an update. But Albert Breer, our guy
that appears with us every Thursday. By the way, Pete
Prisco was supposed to show up today, basically told Lee
to go screw himself, so he'll be with us next Tuesday,
(30:34):
starting next week.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Actually, can we get can we get lead to tell
us his exact response. I know it is probably through
text message or maybe I'm wrong, maybe you called him,
but I would love to know how Pete responded.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, Lee, what how did that go? He was very nice.
He was a very pleasant person. He said, he can't
wait to meet you.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Talk to him on the phone.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
No, just text?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Okay? Can you?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
So?
Speaker 5 (30:59):
When you asked about shook up today? What was his response?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Said? I wish I could, but I have a previous
engagement tang, But am right? What engagement is that? Sleep?
Speaker 9 (31:13):
He gave me too much information, but I will not
share that over over the air waves. Oh gosh, but
he said, uh, be happy to be there next tuesday. Hey,
you say it in my ear? What was the too
much information? Okay? Say to me, Lee?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
He does.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You say to me? Is it possible?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Wait a second, did you just say that on the
aarli or was that just to me?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I just told it to everybody in their ears.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It sounded like it went over air, but they did.
But you know who knows. But hey, listen, that's his business.
And uh and good for peace.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I mean, I'm glad that he was happy to share
that with me. May never come on.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
It was literally the first text he ever sent me,
so it's important to get that stuff done. It didn't
go over if you didn't hear what he.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Said to me.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I'm just wondering about the second time. He maybe got
it by whatever. Listen, So Pete's gonna be with us
next Tuesday. Brandon Ayuk update. All right, because this is
what this is what Brady has been salivating over.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's what Pete Prisco text me back.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
We can we do the AYU can into the breaking
news sounder?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Do we have this the breaking news stinger?
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And the I you can drop into that? Can you
guys pull that off? So she could do it? I'm
on right and knocked us down that breaking news from
Fox Fort.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
That's strong's according to Albert Breer, our friend on Thursdays
here from Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
But it's only Tuesday. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Apparently the Steelers offer to Brandon Ayuk was under twenty
eight million dollars a year, thus forcing him to go
back to the table and revisit the conversation with the Knights.
And what were they They offered two draft picks. Well,
it wasn't really the draft compensation. It was what he
was going to be making in the contract, but the
(33:16):
Niners agreed. Oh dang, the Niners agree to what they
were going to get as compensation. I think it was
like two later round draft picks. Yeah, it was just
the finances. And apparently he was so underwhelmed by whatever
the offer was that went back to the forty nine
(33:36):
ers to but told the Browns no, Yeah, so dang,
it's still a Niner.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I think no. I think he's got to play man.
He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
No, he's not.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
This is like when you know your parents are full
of crap when they start counting you down. I'm telling
you right now, I'm going to count to three, all right, one, two,
and you better get there bat three, two and a half,
two and three, and you're like, okay, you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
You're not going to do any nice little bit of
pause in between two to three if you get there,
because they know they have to pay off the ts
like John, Let's they get to three.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have to know he's not
going anywhere like he's He's going to be back here.
That's why he's come back to the table because he
didn't like what else is out there? Like it just
this is the longest we know what the ending of
the result is going to be transaction in NFL history,
like and to be honest with you, like, I'll call
my shot right now. You want a prediction right now?
(34:42):
If you want a prediction right now, again, we'll be
a Niner, and we'll be a Niner moving forward, and
an announcement will come within the next forty eight hours.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Say that, Wow, forty eight hours, look at you.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, so it's not gonna come that soon.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
I wonder if the forty nine offer went down though
at this point, you know, I wonder if they if
they really want to play hardball, they could say, like, look, Brandon,
well gave you every opportunity you then want to seek
a trade.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
You saw what the markets has spoken for you. So yeah,
the offer we had before usrom there anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I wonder if they want to play hardball like that,
or if they'll even like entertain like a shorter term
extension just to be able to get through the next
you know, two years, three years or so, or if
he'd be more willing to sign a longer term deal
just get the numbers up. Either way, it's it's just
interesting because you hear John Lynch yesterday talking about how
he doesn't know it's taken so long.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
So they must have made their offer. They must have,
you know, stood.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Strong with wherever they're at to IUK and his representation
and like kind of like, hey, take it or leave it.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
This is where we're at at this point. It's kind
of interesting. It's all going to play out.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
And made their offer to who who they make their
offer to? Okay, I just want to be sure.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
I just think at this point, are you probably stays
away until week one?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Way the one that's not getting talked about is Trent Williams.
I mean that's that's a big one. Is that gonna
get done? That's a big one.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
I just would say I assume that both deals, whatever deals,
they're going to do, whether it's between the player, I mean,
it's the player's decision or the organization because obviously the
organization doesn't have to do anything that that basically comes
down to the player one and come back, I think
it gets done about week one. I think they just
take the whole training camp off and and for what
(36:38):
it's worth, is is it plausible to think that that
was the plan all along with a ayyuk with a
with a Trent Williams, Because to me, if you if
you're turning down the Browns offer, then you really aren't
trying to leave, because if they were willing to trade
(36:59):
Amari Cooper, that means that they were going to clear
up some money and probably be able to offer more
than what the Pittsburgh Steelers were going to offer. You
want to go to the Pittsburgh Steelers, but knowing anybody
who knows the Pittsburgh Steelers organization knows that the Pittsburgh
Steelers aren't giving out no big ass contracts. So you're
doing that already knowing that Trent Williams, whatever he's asking for,
(37:22):
he's probably knowing they're not going to give him the
number that he's seeking. So I just wonder if that
was the idea of it all along. Is well, I'm
a skip preseason, I'm a skip training camp. I'm aa
skip preseason. If I get a contract, that's a bonus,
and that's great, that works to my advantage. But if
they don't give me a contract, at least I got
to chill for a couple what a couple weeks like
(37:46):
a month or so an extra month to my vacation.
I'm just saying, little strategy there, It could be a
little strategy.
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Speaker 3 (38:59):
Hell yeah, would you guys agree that the new kickoff
in the NFL sucks?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I've been saying it. I've been saying it. Yeah, I
don't like it at all. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
It feels weird.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
I think it's just the fact that it feels like
the play starts, but then it doesn't really start, you know,
you know what I'm saying, Like we're all so accustomed
to the kickoff being like, all right, it's the start
of the game. It's the start of you know, the play.
You know, you kick the ball off, guys start running
down the field. There's something that feels just about like football,
you know, almost like running down on like a battlefield,
(39:37):
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And now with this
element where they kick it and everyone's like standing still,
it's like, all right, this feels weird, like.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Something's off here. You know, it feels Unamerican, if we're being.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Honest, it does.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
And it's like it feels like a bunch of mimes.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
You know, you're walking down pick any big city and
you've got those guys who aren't talking, but kind of
moving and then stopping, and you know they're doing their
whole little entertainment deal.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
It kind of feels like that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
But you take this kick off to Canada.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
It feels weird, does it not.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So there's been some We do have some some.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Data through the first through the second week of the preseason.
The average starting position is just past the twenty eight
yard line, so it's up over four yards from last year.
But because of that, teams are strongly considering just going
ahead and kicking it out of the end zone. There's
no return risk at that point. You're not giving up
(40:31):
a big play.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
I just told you all what they should have done, man.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
And so if you're just gonna start at the thirty,
I mean, what's you know? It's a yard and a
half difference. And so they're apparently the NFL, and this
was the original thought from the competition Committee that they
wanted the starting point to be the thirty five on
a touchback, that it would be more punitive and that
way you would really see a difference. And the NFL
(40:54):
said that they don't anticipate moving the starting point up
to the thirty five. This is a one year trial
and this is what the owners had settled on, so
they're gonna continue at the thirty. But as it stands
right now, through a couple of weeks, there's no real
difference between kicking it into the end zone or getting
a return. So if that's the case, can we go
back to Yeah, go back to.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
The normal lineup. No, don't go back to that.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
Well, go back to the normal lineup. Yes, but move
the ball back. Yes, if you're over the ball back
approach is to make it a play. Now, that's meaningful.
I'll let him kick it out the end zone. Yeah,
they didn't move it back another ten yards, fifteen whatever
it is.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
These dudes are kicking field golds from behind the logos
these days.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Man, Like, move them back?
Speaker 5 (41:37):
What did it aubreate a sixty six yards?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Sixty six yards?
Speaker 5 (41:39):
Move them which, by the way, might have been good
from seventy That was so good.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yea, they said, you would have made it from seventy two.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
But move but, by by the way, move them back.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
And if something like that can boot one out of
the end zone on a kickoff, all right, take your
hat off to them. You know you're gonna have that,
But why not just move it back. It never made
sense to me outside of the r argument four it's
a dangerous play. We're trying to, you know, make it
safe but keep it in the game. It's like, well,
then figure out another way of doing it while still
(42:08):
allowing the play to actually be a part of the
game itself, or.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Just accept the fact that it's sanctioned violence and people
are going to get hurt.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
Right.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
It's not like the UFC is sit there and said,
you know what, we just realized our sport's pretty dangerous.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
We are going to just you know, put bubble wrapp
of or in every fighter that comes in the rank.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
In fact, they're changing they're allowing some newer strikes in
MMA to where it's this thing called twelve to six elbows,
which for some reason we're outlawed. And they were like,
so wait a second. So you can kick somebody in
the head standing up, but you can't elbow them while
they're on the ground, like just the you can elbu
them sideways, but not on the Like the whole thing
(42:48):
was weird. And they came out and said, yeah, look,
this is a violent sport. This should be allowed. If
we're going to allow some of these other strikes, let's
allow this. And so now the NFL is like, well,
you know we want to tech these players. We're gonna
go ahead and make it just so it looks too
gimmicky like I saw. I was watching the opening kickoff
of the Bears begles and I didn't know who was
(43:10):
receiving the ball. I swear to God just either the
camera angle is weird, but the lineup I couldn't tell.
Speaker 6 (43:15):
In Chicago, wasn't it. Yeah, it's bad angles there at
Soldier Field.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
What's that system mean?
Speaker 5 (43:23):
It was?
Speaker 6 (43:24):
It was always the worst place to watch their film geez,
because the sideline angle that you watch from, which is
your normal camera angle, it's just an It's a low,
awful angle.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
It doesn't give you a great perspective of the field.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I've heard it's a great place to call a game
from though, if you're a broadcaster.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
No, not really.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
I mean you're a little lower so it helps, but
you still loan to be up high enough to be
able to see everything.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Hmm.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
I mean I told you like Dallas is a sweet
spot to call one. San Francisco's a sweet spot out
in Santa Clara. The hardest thing about Dallas. Is that
darn Jumbo Tron's son are big? You get caught half
the time watching that instead of actual game.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I've never been all the places, did the jay I've
never been there. Yeah, by the way, they're going to
be in super Bowl rotation?
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Or are they?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Did they get asked out with a you know, because
we've got to force the Bay Area on everybody, you know,
because we've got to continue to send them there.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I can't believe they won that bad. I mean, it's
a it's a logistical nightmare.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
It is, It's not, it's all feel There's literally a
tram or a bus that comes and picks up members
of the media. And I think the drive from downtown
San Francisco to Radio Row was like forty minutes or
something like that just to try and get there to
cover to cover super Bowl night on the Tuesday? Was
(44:49):
there last time? Like, Yeah, it's it's a problem.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
I mean, and think about for Lee.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I mean, you already got his car broken into by
a bunch of bums. I mean, now you're going to
go out there for Super Bowl and not expect a
rental car to get broken.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
What that's a real concern? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
In saying that, Sorry, I was listening back to two
Hat to Lap. What are we talking about? Oh my god,
what did you just say? I was I was listening
back to the first.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
He's trying to get the podcast done so he could
get the hell out of here when the show is over, right, he's.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Got just refer to yourself as too hatt.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
He was listening to two hats, listening to two Hat
to Lap and Wet Girl Curry dany.
Speaker 7 (45:32):
I.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
He's a class, not a real personally, not a real
persons an alien. My car is getting broken into again,
I don't have a car.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yes, the next super Bowl that's out in the San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Oh yeah, that's definitely getting broken. There's a soup kitchen
going on in that one.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Jesus didn't what did you guys step in? Like human
feces the last time we're out there.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Every time I go in Hollywood, Yep, that's a la.
Hollywood is a different place, you know what?
Speaker 3 (45:57):
You know what sucks about the Bay are Like there's
beautiful parts to it, Like where the Giants play. That
ballpark is unpossible, Like that whole area is cool. Like
Peer thirty nine is awesome.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Even the forty nine Ers Ballpark is nice.
Speaker 6 (46:12):
It's just it's it's the fact that half the Super
Bowl stuff will be in San Francisco, which is an
hour away, probably even without too.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
Much traffic, and if it's more than that, it could
be two hours.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, that's rough. Well a lot of rain there isn't there. Yeah,
it's a little chilly, it gets a little chili.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That Delta flight, eh, well that was warm. Then it
was cold.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
By the way, how of the people on the flight
that are like, all right, our flights two and a
half hours, like, can we please get to Ireland?
Speaker 2 (46:41):
And then they had to turn around around and go
two more.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Hours because this guy's emptying his tank on that's crazy
taking a nap two more hours and then what was that?
They probably canceled the flight.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Lead try to defend them by.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
They do you think The bartender at the airport was
like that guy's getting on the flight right now, like
how many how many triple shots do you think or
went through?
Speaker 6 (47:04):
Or they're like where's the flight going to Ireland? It's
abs every week you gotter.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Get him loomed up.
Speaker 7 (47:11):
The subody rode a X I was trying to defense,
since we're going back to a segment one. I was
trying to defend Flora because he's black, I guess, but
I mean you do know that their current head coach
is black.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
He's a black dude. Just so you're clear on that.
Buddy like me and Q can have our back and forth.
It's not racially driven, just so you guys know.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
I mean, if anything, if it was driven, it was
driven by offense first defense.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
It could have been offense versus defense, but it certainly was.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
I wasn't.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
I wasn't trying to defend Brian Flora as I was
just trying to make my point.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
I think the general point is we and we both
talked about like kids nowadays just different.
Speaker 5 (47:50):
They don't take the hard coaching. Well.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
I've literally had a former coach just text me while
we've been having this conversation and he kind of joked
with me about it, and I'm like, yeah, I mean,
it's just they're wired different. And look at who's to say,
maybe Tua does turn out to be the same exact
player if you just add Tyreek Hill and improve.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
The offensive line. But I also think like the offensive.
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Scheme that was there for him, year one was not
then and then in year two, don't forget they had
two offensive coordinators that Eric Studisville and they had Gatzi
there and so I don't know how that was working out,
but that could have been a byproduct of it. When
you interject Mike McDaniel, who's one of the best coordinators
in the league now as head coach, that's going to
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help regardless of.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Who's that quarterback.
Speaker 8 (48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (48:36):
I was, like I said, I wasn't even debating that.
I thought your points were valid.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
It just was not just so you know, my guy,
it was not racially driven that that's like kind of
insane to say that. I think the part that really
threw everybody off was when LeVar said, listen, if I'm
hiring a coach, it's going to.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Be Brian Flores. That part right there, just based on
the fact that that's right where we were at, right there.
Speaker 7 (49:02):
I'm hiring him because he's black and he's the same
complexion as me. On top of that, yeah, you know,
it would have been a darker on darker support.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
LaVar actually made me change like the light on the
light the color of my phone.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Case to black or else. I wasn't allowed in studio.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
So and you might don't forget your microphone, don't forget
your headphones.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah. So like the fact that you hold it like that,
you have your hand, I'm like that.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
Dang, that's no good.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I hate him. Can I give you guys a random
thought for that only if it's racially motivated.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
But yeah, between saving Private Ryan, Interstellar and the Martian,
America has spent nearly three hundred and fifty million trying
to rescue bad Damon.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
That's a good call, all right, that was for That
was all.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
I did that Maybe you should Maybe you should rescue
his friend Ben Affleck at some point. Lily Shirt though
that that totally tells the whole entire stories. It does
that that Green Bay g he's smelling it right now.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, Rady Winn, and Jonas Knox.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
On box Foorts.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Radio Tuwa, Takabailoa was talking with Dan Levatard and Crew
the Dan Levatard Show with Stu Gotts and the conversation
about his former head coach, Brian Flores came up and
the differences between Brian Flores and Mike McDaniel, his new
head coach, and it sounded a little something.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Like this, to put it in simplest terms, if you
woke up every morning and I told you you sucked
at what you did, that you don't belong doing what
you do, that you shouldn't be here, that this guy
should be here, that you haven't earned this right. And
(00:51):
then you have somebody else come in and tell you, dude,
you are the best fit for this, like you are accurate,
you are the best whatever you or this you are
that how would it make you feel listening to one
or the other.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
And then you hear it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You hear it regardless of what it is, the good
or the bad, and you hear it more and more
you start to actually believe that I don't care who
you are, you could be the president of the United States.
You have a terrible person that's telling you things that
you don't want to hear or that you probably shouldn't
be hearing, You're gonna.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Start to believe that about yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And it was basically been what two years of training
that out of not just me, but you know, a
couple of the guys as well that have been here
since my rookie year all the way to now.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, so there's your breakdown of Brian Flores' ten year
with the Dolphins. And I can remember when we were
doing shows on Sunday nights, and I remember Brady and
I having conversations about why does why does Brian Flores
keep taking two out of games? One game in particular
was a game at Denver, like in the four fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
He was a rookie.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Ye remember that Ryan Fitzpatrick was the backup quarterback, and
it was like he did it. Then he did it
again against the Raiders later in the season, and it
was like, well, don't you want him to go through
those growing pains as a rookie. But it did feel
like Flores just never had faith in the guy and
to see what he's become now under Mike McDaniel, not
a not a great sign for Brian floor is there?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Do you want it? Yuh?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Can't you think?
Speaker 6 (02:24):
The other part of this is I'll just say the
other part of this is the statistical progression and how
much better he's got under Mike McDaniel. But even back then,
I mean, think about what he came into the NFL,
what it was during. It was during COVID, so there
was more restrictions on what they were able to do
in the offseason. Do you guys remember who the offensive
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coordator was that year? They brought it Chan Gaily Chan
Gailly was retired at the time before he came back
out there install an offense that was really built.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
For Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Ryan Fitzpatrick had had a bunch of experience, it's playing
for Chan and Gaily back with the Buffalo Bills, So
that was more of the thought to the offense, the system,
how it was going to work in a time when
Tua gets drafted and he can't really be as involved
as you are now, you know, post COVID or pre COVID,
whatever you want to phrase it. If you looked at
their offensive line play over the next two years. His
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first two years, it was atrocious for Miami. I mean,
if we're being honest, it's improved, but that's probably still
a weak point on their roster, and so they didn't
have a running game. He wasn't being protected, you know,
early on in twenty twenty, I think Devonte Parker was
this number one wide receiver. You know, their receivers had
a hard time getting separation, that issues with drops.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I mean, it was a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
And he still did okay to a degree, but to
your point, it felt like Brian Flores was looking for
any opportunity to get the younger player out.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
This was a bit interesting only because it's.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Like you were there as the head coach when you
drafted the guy. You know, like like how I mean,
either you're trying to foil the entire plan altogether for
Chris Greer, you know, or you just have zero faith
in him. Either way, you know, it seemed like this
has been the perfect scenario for two or for Mike
McDaniel to come in and install an offense and surrounded
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with personnel that plays to his strengths, and you now
see what Miami's capable of doing, and maybe it sounds
like a slap in the face of Brian Flores, and
Brian Flores comes from a different, you know background, as
far as you know his coaching style.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
You know he's hard on players.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
You know, Tom Brady's talked a lot about you know,
the motivation, and you know, playing for Bill Belichick, it's
it's not compliments.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Look, I played for a bunch of coaches that had
come from the Bill Belichick tree, and if they're not
telling you something, you're doing your job. When they're saying
something to you, it's because they care. But it's gonna
in a negative event. It's constructive criticism, and that's where
I feel like today's athlete isn't as mentally prepared for that.
(05:08):
You know, they need to be told they're doing it right.
They need to be told they're doing well, you know,
whereas back then it was like, all right, if you
don't hear anything from him, you're doing your job.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Like that that's all you needed.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
So it's changed a ton, I think as far as
the type of player it's coming into the league and
the type of coach that's needed for it.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
But even then, like.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
I don't necessarily look at how Brian for Is, and
only two really knows how the relationship was.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I don't look at it as a being bad coaching.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
He just had a different style of it, and that
style obviously is tougher for today's athlete.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
That's where I fall on it, honestly, like I think
that in today's society, we get so caught up into
the I guess, the wow factor when somebody says something
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We also make people who are you know.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
I want to be careful in how I say this,
but the victim card is very It's running rampant in
our society right now, and people jump all over the
victim card. When when he said what he said, I
heard so many people say so many things and so
many derogatory things about about floras as a person and
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as a coach. Tua came into the league in twenty
twenty correct he's only been one game better since since
he since Floraes has not been the head coach there.
His rookie year, they won ten games. They won ten games.
I think to have played ten games. They won ten
(06:42):
games that year. Two has only won eleven games. His
highest win total has been eleven under Michael. Under Mike
Daniel Daniels, Daniel, Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
There we go.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
His his interceptions, we're at its highest. Last year. It
was only five interceptions his rookie year. Now, granted he
didn't throw as much, he didn't play as much, but
the ball seemingly was being protected more his rookie year.
Now he threw for a ton of yards and twenty
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three time he threw four a ton of yards and
in twenty three. But the one statistic that really jumped
out at me was he's never broke seventy percent. And
in his completion accuracy and in his completion percentage, he's
never broken He was close last year, he never He's
(07:40):
never broken out. He's never jumped out of sixty percent.
So when you really look at it his yards and passing, yes,
it's going up. But I'm if I'm looking at this
from a sensible standpoint, I don't think it's if he's.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Able to some way, somehow stay on the field.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
On hold on, hold, on, hold on sure.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
I'm just saying, first off, a completion percentage at sixty
nine percent is really really good. The NFL record at
one point, it's like seventy it's got a little over
that now. But you're talking about like for a season,
I mean, for five hundred and sixty attempts, that's damn
near the best probably if you go back and look
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at the last year.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
But they're all comparable. That's all gonna be top three,
they're all comparable.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Not really, not really, He's the only The only reason
I said is because you're trying.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
To well, I am, I'm not trying. I'm trying to
I am comparing. I am, I'm not trying. I'm comparing
his performances other.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Than many, Bro, you're not even making sense of it.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
He started games in twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Twenty, forty six years old. That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
He started nine games in twenty twenty, they didn't win all.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Time, makes sense.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
I'm telling you his his comparables, his comparables are comparable.
But there it's his career and I'm looking at it
from day one to day now. And to say, just
based off of his yardage, you could say his yardage
is vastly different. Other than that, there are nothing, there's
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nothing that you could sit there and say that his
progression would have been any differently, any different in terms
of what he's accomplished to what he accomplished on day one.
There's no correlation that says to me, the way he
was being coached day one would be any different than
what it was if Flores was still to head coach,
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because as a rookie, as a rookie.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
So God, God, sure, God, So so let me just
go over the stats so we're accurate and.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
We're not just throwing out numbers.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, okay, Well accurately started.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Nine games this rookie year he was there was six
and three in those games, So you talked about them
being a ten win team, right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That's correct.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
The next year he went seven and five as a starter.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Now, so so even in both those cases, neither of
which he's fully accountable for the wins that you marked
for Brian Flores of that Dolphins team.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Okay, so that's the first part he was throwing and eighty.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
One expand on that, What do you mean he's not start.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
All the games those two seasons? Right?
Speaker 6 (10:18):
So if he only if let's see, God, just why
don't you let me finish at numbers out a listen
to you.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You like to jump into I'm gonna jump point to
make a point.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Go ahead, you well here's okay, let's just pull back
the full curtain.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I'm on a Lucy app LeVar, so I'm on a delay.
So it's gonna be a little bit difficult if if
the back and forth and all that. So, so, can
you give me a second to give you all the
stats and you can.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Discern whatever you want? Got you Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You do the saying when I come in, though, when
I respond to you, you do the.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Same because you Okay, So if they won ten games
and Brian Floor is one of those first two years, correct, Okay,
he didn't start all those games they won. So if
you're trying to say, well, he's only gotten to eleven
wins or whatever with with Mike, well yeah, that's a
lot more than they had. The most he's ever had
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as a starting quarterback under Flores was seven.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
He was throwing for his rookie year one hundred and
eighty one yards per game. He's now throwing for two
hundred and seventy two. So that's a significant increase. His
completetion percentage to jump five percent, which you might say,
well that is not seventy percent, but sixty nine percent
from sixty four percent, and when you're throwing the ball
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almost double because of the amount of starts and attempts.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
That is significant.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Much of everything he did last year was a significant jump.
And of course, like you're gonna throw more interceptions as
you throw more pass attempts. So for example, like that
number has actually been rather consistent. There's a thing called
interception percent is right, and that's like what percentage of
interceptions per throw, So that number has pretty been actually
down down below his second year when he was at
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two point six percent of his passes were intercepted. Last
year is a two point five year before two point
owner McDaniel. So I'm just saying from a statistical standpoint,
there's a strong argument to be made that the system,
the play calling, the personnel, everything.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Around him has been improved.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
And so I don't know that you can just put
it on Brian Flores, but at least statistically speaking, like
it is undeniable the way he's jumped from where he
was his rookie year is second year into years three
and four now. But but again, like you can't just
contribute to one thing. It's always a number of things.
But that's all painting out the picture, and I'm not
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a bad picture.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
I get that, and I'm not trying to defend Brian
floya As. All I'm saying is is there's there are
two sides to every story.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And and for what it's worth, for what it's worth,
is there.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
I don't know the seasons per se exactly how they
played out, whether it was injury that he didn't play.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Or whether he was taken out.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I just know he was being he was being substituted
for what was it Fitzpatrick? Was it subbed during that time?
I know that he was being subbed in and out.
So as far as the wins and the losses are concerned,
I'm not certain that because Brian Florez as a coach
felt as though, which I know for a fact, I mean,
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I think we would all know that if Brian Floors
is taking two out and putting Ryan Fitzpatrick in, is
because he feels like Ryan Fitzpatrick is giving them a
better opportunity to win than what two ways. That's how
I interpret that. Now, whatever comes of that is what
comes of that. But they have yet to finish with
a better ranking than what they finished when Brian floor
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As was the head coach. Now, they made it to
the playoffs and have lost in the first round every
time they've made it into the playoffs. But with that
being said, they've never won a division and maybe we
think they're in a better position than what they were
with Brian Floores.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
I don't I don't care to debate it. It doesn't matter.
All I'm saying is is that to sit there and
say like, this is a horrible person. This guy told
me I'm not this, and you're gonna believe that. And
other guys from my class feel the same exact way.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I do.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Come from an old school way of coaching. Be around
Bill O'Brien, and I've never been around him as a coach,
but I've heard about it. I've been around guys like
Ray Rhodes. I've been around guys like Greg Williams, Dale Lindsey.
Be around some of these coaches.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Believe you me.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
If you're saying they called you this and this and that,
to you, Bro, your skin is way too thin. Is
that's football coach? At least as I know it. That's
always been football culture. To talk crazy so much to
the tune where one time I told Dale Lindsey. That
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man has a name and served our country. He served
our country and made the team, and you're calling him
dumb mother effort, and that's what you're referencing him as
every single time you address him.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
That man has a name.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
All I'm saying is is that maybe it's just a
tad bit overstated to sit there and act as though
that this is some crazy revelation that that Michael McDaniel
is is this way way out better coach than what
Brian Flores was for that Dolphins team.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But is it fair to say, though, that one of
the main priorities as a head coach in the NFL
is if your team drafts a quarterback in the top
five and he's the franchise guy.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And wasn't the debate.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Wasn't the debate there that that maybe Flores didn't even
want to draft him.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Wasn't there a debate there on that it could have been?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But they drafted him, and so his job was to
get the most out of him. And you can't argue
with the fact that Tua by far and away a
better quarterback.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Who's to say that that didn't like being the type
of quarterback that he is Under.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
But hard coaching bell he was under Saban. Saban's a
hard coach, so he's a hard ass coach. So I
don't know if it's that. I just think Flores wasn't
a fan of Tua, and clearly all loved the interpretation.
I don't disagree with him not being a fan of two.
I mean I don't I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
The one thing where I can assure you to it
would have never got to this point with Brian Flores's
Brian Flores never left him in the game.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
So probably would have got a quarterback actually stay in
the game.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
I don't disagree with that. All I'm saying there's two
sads to every story. That's all I'm saying. It's too
sad there, like he's coming out like this dude was
like the most horrible dude ever to what what the
situation is. I mean, that sounds like par for the
course for a lot of coaches that I've been around.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
The tough thing too, about the Saban comparison. Saban obviously
was a tough coach on his players. Every player will
tell you that. But who came in as a freshman
and threw a pass to win a national championship. You
have to remember how all that went down to when
he when he got the Aaron, you know, comes comes
in and throws that dime up the left sideline. I
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believe it was to be Georgia, right, Yeah. I mean
that's the sort of you know, that's the sort of
play that kind of at that point, like, I don't know,
if you are a defensive line of coach, if you
are a hard coach, you're probably like, well, this dude
helped me win a national championship, dropping a dime on
one of the biggest stages ever as a freshman, Like,
you're probably gonna beat him.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
The benefit it out.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
The coaching style, even if it's hard, it might be
a little different from that point moving forward.
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Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, if anybody was wondering whether or not this show
can create change, whether or not we've got influence on
major storylines in the world of sports, yesterday you did it.
Demanded that the Washington Commandos may make a decision at
quarterback side. All right, everybody figured it's got to be
(18:41):
Jaden Daniels. They hadn't officially made the announcement, yet you
called them out.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah. We turned the screws yesterday on him.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
We put the heat on him so much so that
Dan Quinn, the head coach of the Washington Commandos, made
the decision, Jaden Daniels is our starting quarter back. And
here was the reasoning behind that decision.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
It was a process.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And when that process was time, I know he'd know,
and I'd let you know.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And as much as we knew Jayden would get there,
Adam and I were.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Most excited about watching how.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
He would and the how has been absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
He's ready and he's earned the.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Right to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yep, so you're welcome. Everybody got that done yesterday. I
forced the issue and the issue got taken care of.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Which is a better situation to have a better year,
which could ultimately lead to having Rookie of the Year.
Is it the Bears and Caleb in the north or
is it Jayde and Daniels in the South? I think
I think, I mean the excuse me, I think it's
(19:49):
jaydeon Daniels. I honestly believe that Jade and Daniels, and
I've said this before the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
This is no shade. I've said this.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
I believe Jayde and Daniels was the best quarterback in
this draft. I believe that. And that's not me shooting
biased because he went to my former team. I felt
as though, if we were looking at what took place
this past season and how it played out, I thought
that Jade and Daniels was playing the best football as
(20:22):
a football player maybe maybe maybe, I mean as a quarterback.
I thought he was playing the best football. So I
oppose the question to you guys. I mean, you got Dallas.
I don't know what's going to happen with this whole
CD LAMB, assuming they're going to get done with it.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And then if you have CD LAMB, then I.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Feel like Dallas is the is the team to beat.
Philly's going to be pretty dang good. So you got
a top two, you know, top heavy team and those
those two teams. But imagine if Jaydeon Daniels is able
to be competitive against those two teams in the NFC East.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I mean, is that is that? Is that a? Is it?
I guess the question pausible.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
The question would be is it more likely Washington wins
their division or Chicago wins theirs?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
If you're looking at it, I think it's more likely
neither one of them winning.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Well, that's it's not really a fair comparison because you know,
the NFC North doesn't have I know they have Detroit,
but they don't have Philly. Like Philly's been a top
contending team for a while.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I saw an interesting stat yesterday.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
It was like, dating back to twenty fifteen, the amount
of games teams have gone without scoring a touchdown. Philly
actually had the fewest in that span. I think they've
had three games or something like that. It was some
ridiculous stat and they were the only team, by the
way like that high.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
So it's they've been one of the.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Most consistent franchises and that's a much tougher hill to
climb and get over, I think for Washington than it
is for Chicago to you know, go to the Detroit
team that we think is there, Like we think it's there,
but like can they do it two years in a row?
Can they get back to it? Like that's always a
big question mark. So I mean, look, Jay Daniels won
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the Heisman last year, so you know your eyes aren't
deceiving you, LeVar. I mean, he's he was the best
player in college football. I said yesterday, he's got He
had the best tape of any of the quarterbacks. I
think he's I think he's in a better situation too
in Washington. I think his ability with Cliff Kingsbury system
and the weapons they have around him are going to
(22:31):
be better for this team this year.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Now.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
I don't know long run as things continue to develop
in Chicago, but I at least think out the Gate.
I wouldn't be surprised either if he didn't have a
better year and this team didn't maybe compete for.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
A wildcard spot.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I think that's probably their ceiling this year is a
wildcard spot only because say what you want about Dallas,
the situation, you know, once you know Dak's out there
on the field, once this team's there, like they're gonna
win some football games like that, it's gonna be Philly
in Dallas for the division, and then I think it's
gonna be Washington somewhere maybe factoring in.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
I'm kind of fall along that line of thought. That's
I feel I feel like that's pretty accurate. It's going
to be tougher to have a better year if I'm
the Washington Commanders than if I was Caleb Williams on
the Chicago Bears. I think they're I think they're still
going to have their struggles in Chicago, I really do.
I think they're going to be solid on defense. I
(23:28):
think they're going to be solid on offense. I think
it's going to be a solid team. But I still
need to see are they able to is he able
to to adjust and adapt and be that guy once
they start scheming for him. Once there's film on him
as a pro, how is that going to look for
him going through this season? And I look, I think
(23:49):
the same thing about Jaydon Daniels. But with that being said,
I just feel like they have a lot of They
have nice they have two backs, they have two to
three receivers, they have a decent offensive line, and you
know their defense is going to be pretty damn good.
That's what I do know. I think McLaurin, mcclaurin, how
(24:10):
you say its.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Terry McLaurin, by the way, most underrated player in the league.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He's pretty a pretty special dude.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
And and Docson Dotson is is a pretty I mean,
he's a great compliment. I just I think that with
their backfield, they added Austin Eckler to that backfield, so
they'll him and Gibson will split time. I just think
it's a pretty balanced team, and I think it sets
the stage for Jaydon Daniels. Like like you said, under
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Kingsbury's his his style of calling games and his way.
It's it's it's along the lines of what Laflora and
all those other guys, McDaniels, all those guys, you know,
Kyle Shanahan. It's like along the lines of of like
a very very innovative new way of approaching the game
and rhythm of how they call the games. I just
(25:02):
think that it's the stage is set for Jayde and
Daniels to have one of those years where you're.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Like, damn, you think he's trying to know he was
that good. You think he's Rookie of the Year. I
think he's.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
In in in a really really solid position to outplay
any rookie this year.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's what I'll say.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
So on DraftKings plus yeah, plus two fifty.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Plus four seventy five, I would take no way, yeah, yeah.
So take Caleb Williams is a plus one thirty five,
So one hundred wins you won thirty five and one
hundred win you four seventy five.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
On Jamas, I.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Take j Daniel who who's ahead of Jayden and Daniels.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Nobody, that's the that's the gas between him and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That's the second. Wow, that's a big gap.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I take that. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
I think it's more so about Chicago than it is
about Caleb.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well and also they got the hard knocks curse. That
doesn't help either like that doesn't help anybody that's on
that chief.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Said Neil Bider, What did you say? You know the
hard knocks? You know that one said what? I don't
know what you were I was asking what you were
getting at.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So I have a serious question for you guys on this,
all right, I mean, I'm serious about this. Do you
think was Dan Quinn? Do you think he was listening
live to the show yesterday when I put the heat
on him to make an announcement or was it the podcast?
Do you think like when he decided somebody told him?
Do you think so word of mouth? Okay, yeah, Brady, Like,
(26:36):
when do you think he got word that? It was
me who said?
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I'm not sure when he heard it. I mean, he
most likely heard.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
It from someone who was in the organization, maybe a
staffer who then has a friend who happens to wake
up early that also as a friend that gets up
early for work that listens to the show they're.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Driving, but actually doesn't talk about the show to anyone.
It's it's one of their work associates that they work with.
Gotcha that actually ended up you know hearing it?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, that's one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
What is most likely actually never do talk about to
Dan Quinn.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Okay, I don't know, man, it might have got there.
That's I mean, that's insulting. I mean, you know, for
you to go that direction, people listen.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
To the show man. That's why I will and people
in that organization listen to this show.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, And I'm telling you right now, this show is
the reason why Jade naners.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
I would not under sail the value of Brady Quinn
and Jonas Knox on this show.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Especially.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Jonas. How'd your bets go this past weekend?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Thank I mean, that's that's irrelevant, all right, And and
I think wanton.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Indicator he did win, all.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Right, think thankfully a hooker showed up and fought well
this weekend in the UFC San hook.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's got a lot of fight him. Yeah. I let
me tell you, Dan Hooker put on a performance. I mean,
if we're being honest, he's a hooker down.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
He probably shouldn't have gotten the decision, so I should
have been going five. But you know the point is, yeah,
I bounced back from that and I implemented change in Washington.
And people could say, well, no, it's his preseason performance
is the way he looked in practice. No no, no, no no,
it's because this show said you make a decision.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I thought she was talking about you gambling. No, did
you say that, Phil Dona you died?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Did he? Yeah? Man eighty eight? I believe he was
no kidding. A lot of people.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Probably don't even know who Phil Donahue is. They probably
think he's a coach, you know, yeah, which there was
a Donahue that was a coach, Terry Donahue. Phil was
like the first person that was saying you're not the
dad and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I think Terry Donahue was the head coach of U
C l A. I think he went to Burbank High School.
Doesn't he have a statue at the Rose Bowl? I
think I think he has a statue. I think he
I think my mom went to high school, right, I
think my mom went to high school with him Burbank.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Hi back on Harry Donahue or.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Terry Donahue, not Phil. Phil is the talk show host,
right he just did. Yeah, yeah, he's out of here,
damn rp G. Yeah I had a great run, Yes
he did. He did have a great run. So we
are uh so yeah, that's that's I mean, you're welcome.
(29:27):
Anybody that was wondering you did call it out though,
I mean you did, yeah, quarterback and it got done.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And then they did it.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, it got done. Thank you, You're welcome. Good job,
happy to help. You want to make a bowl call today?
Like what you calling out today? Let's lamb and wait wait.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Wait wait wait I got it. I got it.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
Another one call out, Brandon Aiyuk. Here you go call
out the forty nine. Do that.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm glad you brought that up. This was pointed out
to me by one now.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
By one, Brady Quinn. I mean, since you won it,
here we go, Brandon Ayuk. Update. All right, eight hundred
and thirteen in a row. We need some imaging for it.
It's been going on so long.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
We can create a quor can we just play the
sound effect from a street Fighter? I you can and
just play that over and over again on repeat so
we can get an update. But Albert Breer, our guy
that appears with us every Thursday. By the way, Pete
Prisco was supposed to show up today, basically told Lee
to go screw himself, so he'll be with us next Tuesday,
(30:34):
starting next week.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Actually, can we get can we get lead to tell
us his exact response. I know it is probably through
text message or maybe I'm wrong, maybe you called him,
but I would love to know how Pete responded.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, Lee, what how did that go? He was very nice.
He was a very pleasant person. He said, he can't
wait to meet you.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Talk to him on the phone.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
No, just text?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Okay? Can you?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
So?
Speaker 5 (30:59):
When you asked about shook up today? What was his response?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Said? I wish I could, but I have a previous
engagement tang, But am right? What engagement is that? Sleep?
Speaker 9 (31:13):
He gave me too much information, but I will not
share that over over the air waves. Oh gosh, but
he said, uh, be happy to be there next tuesday. Hey,
you say it in my ear? What was the too
much information? Okay? Say to me, Lee?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
He does.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You say to me? Is it possible?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Wait a second, did you just say that on the
aarli or was that just to me?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I just told it to everybody in their ears.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It sounded like it went over air, but they did.
But you know who knows. But hey, listen, that's his business.
And uh and good for peace.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I mean, I'm glad that he was happy to share
that with me. May never come on.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
It was literally the first text he ever sent me,
so it's important to get that stuff done. It didn't
go over if you didn't hear what he.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Said to me.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I'm just wondering about the second time. He maybe got
it by whatever. Listen, So Pete's gonna be with us
next Tuesday. Brandon Ayuk update. All right, because this is
what this is what Brady has been salivating over.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's what Pete Prisco text me back.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
We can we do the AYU can into the breaking
news sounder?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Do we have this the breaking news stinger?
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And the I you can drop into that? Can you
guys pull that off? So she could do it? I'm
on right and knocked us down that breaking news from
Fox Fort.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
That's strong's according to Albert Breer, our friend on Thursdays
here from Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
But it's only Tuesday. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Apparently the Steelers offer to Brandon Ayuk was under twenty
eight million dollars a year, thus forcing him to go
back to the table and revisit the conversation with the Knights.
And what were they They offered two draft picks. Well,
it wasn't really the draft compensation. It was what he
was going to be making in the contract, but the
(33:16):
Niners agreed. Oh dang, the Niners agree to what they
were going to get as compensation. I think it was
like two later round draft picks. Yeah, it was just
the finances. And apparently he was so underwhelmed by whatever
the offer was that went back to the forty nine
(33:36):
ers to but told the Browns no, Yeah, so dang,
it's still a Niner.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I think no. I think he's got to play man.
He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
No, he's not.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
This is like when you know your parents are full
of crap when they start counting you down. I'm telling
you right now, I'm going to count to three, all right, one, two,
and you better get there bat three, two and a half,
two and three, and you're like, okay, you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
You're not going to do any nice little bit of
pause in between two to three if you get there,
because they know they have to pay off the ts
like John, Let's they get to three.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have to know he's not
going anywhere like he's He's going to be back here.
That's why he's come back to the table because he
didn't like what else is out there? Like it just
this is the longest we know what the ending of
the result is going to be transaction in NFL history,
like and to be honest with you, like, I'll call
my shot right now. You want a prediction right now?
(34:42):
If you want a prediction right now, again, we'll be
a Niner, and we'll be a Niner moving forward, and
an announcement will come within the next forty eight hours.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Say that, Wow, forty eight hours, look at you.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, so it's not gonna come that soon.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
I wonder if the forty nine offer went down though
at this point, you know, I wonder if they if
they really want to play hardball, they could say, like, look, Brandon,
well gave you every opportunity you then want to seek
a trade.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
You saw what the markets has spoken for you. So yeah,
the offer we had before usrom there anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I wonder if they want to play hardball like that,
or if they'll even like entertain like a shorter term
extension just to be able to get through the next
you know, two years, three years or so, or if
he'd be more willing to sign a longer term deal
just get the numbers up. Either way, it's it's just
interesting because you hear John Lynch yesterday talking about how
he doesn't know it's taken so long.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
So they must have made their offer. They must have,
you know, stood.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Strong with wherever they're at to IUK and his representation
and like kind of like, hey, take it or leave it.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
This is where we're at at this point. It's kind
of interesting. It's all going to play out.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
And made their offer to who who they make their
offer to? Okay, I just want to be sure.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
I just think at this point, are you probably stays
away until week one?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Way the one that's not getting talked about is Trent Williams.
I mean that's that's a big one. Is that gonna
get done? That's a big one.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
I just would say I assume that both deals, whatever deals,
they're going to do, whether it's between the player, I mean,
it's the player's decision or the organization because obviously the
organization doesn't have to do anything that that basically comes
down to the player one and come back, I think
it gets done about week one. I think they just
take the whole training camp off and and for what
(36:38):
it's worth, is is it plausible to think that that
was the plan all along with a ayyuk with a
with a Trent Williams, Because to me, if you if
you're turning down the Browns offer, then you really aren't
trying to leave, because if they were willing to trade
(36:59):
Amari Cooper, that means that they were going to clear
up some money and probably be able to offer more
than what the Pittsburgh Steelers were going to offer. You
want to go to the Pittsburgh Steelers, but knowing anybody
who knows the Pittsburgh Steelers organization knows that the Pittsburgh
Steelers aren't giving out no big ass contracts. So you're
doing that already knowing that Trent Williams, whatever he's asking for,
(37:22):
he's probably knowing they're not going to give him the
number that he's seeking. So I just wonder if that
was the idea of it all along. Is well, I'm
a skip preseason, I'm a skip training camp. I'm aa
skip preseason. If I get a contract, that's a bonus,
and that's great, that works to my advantage. But if
they don't give me a contract, at least I got
to chill for a couple what a couple weeks like
(37:46):
a month or so an extra month to my vacation.
I'm just saying, little strategy there, It could be a
little strategy.
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Speaker 3 (38:59):
Hell yeah, would you guys agree that the new kickoff
in the NFL sucks?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I've been saying it. I've been saying it. Yeah, I
don't like it at all. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
It feels weird.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
I think it's just the fact that it feels like
the play starts, but then it doesn't really start, you know,
you know what I'm saying, Like we're all so accustomed
to the kickoff being like, all right, it's the start
of the game. It's the start of you know, the play.
You know, you kick the ball off, guys start running
down the field. There's something that feels just about like football,
you know, almost like running down on like a battlefield,
(39:37):
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And now with this
element where they kick it and everyone's like standing still,
it's like, all right, this feels weird, like.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Something's off here. You know, it feels Unamerican, if we're being.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Honest, it does.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
And it's like it feels like a bunch of mimes.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
You know, you're walking down pick any big city and
you've got those guys who aren't talking, but kind of
moving and then stopping, and you know they're doing their
whole little entertainment deal.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
It kind of feels like that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
But you take this kick off to Canada.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
It feels weird, does it not.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So there's been some We do have some some.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Data through the first through the second week of the preseason.
The average starting position is just past the twenty eight
yard line, so it's up over four yards from last year.
But because of that, teams are strongly considering just going
ahead and kicking it out of the end zone. There's
no return risk at that point. You're not giving up
(40:31):
a big play.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
I just told you all what they should have done, man.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
And so if you're just gonna start at the thirty,
I mean, what's you know? It's a yard and a
half difference. And so they're apparently the NFL, and this
was the original thought from the competition Committee that they
wanted the starting point to be the thirty five on
a touchback, that it would be more punitive and that
way you would really see a difference. And the NFL
(40:54):
said that they don't anticipate moving the starting point up
to the thirty five. This is a one year trial
and this is what the owners had settled on, so
they're gonna continue at the thirty. But as it stands
right now, through a couple of weeks, there's no real
difference between kicking it into the end zone or getting
a return. So if that's the case, can we go
back to Yeah, go back to.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
The normal lineup. No, don't go back to that.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
Well, go back to the normal lineup. Yes, but move
the ball back. Yes, if you're over the ball back
approach is to make it a play. Now, that's meaningful.
I'll let him kick it out the end zone. Yeah,
they didn't move it back another ten yards, fifteen whatever
it is.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
These dudes are kicking field golds from behind the logos
these days.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Man, Like, move them back?
Speaker 5 (41:37):
What did it aubreate a sixty six yards?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Sixty six yards?
Speaker 5 (41:39):
Move them which, by the way, might have been good
from seventy That was so good.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yea, they said, you would have made it from seventy two.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
But move but, by by the way, move them back.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
And if something like that can boot one out of
the end zone on a kickoff, all right, take your
hat off to them. You know you're gonna have that,
But why not just move it back. It never made
sense to me outside of the r argument four it's
a dangerous play. We're trying to, you know, make it
safe but keep it in the game. It's like, well,
then figure out another way of doing it while still
(42:08):
allowing the play to actually be a part of the
game itself, or.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Just accept the fact that it's sanctioned violence and people
are going to get hurt.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
Right.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
It's not like the UFC is sit there and said,
you know what, we just realized our sport's pretty dangerous.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
We are going to just you know, put bubble wrapp
of or in every fighter that comes in the rank.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
In fact, they're changing they're allowing some newer strikes in
MMA to where it's this thing called twelve to six elbows,
which for some reason we're outlawed. And they were like,
so wait a second. So you can kick somebody in
the head standing up, but you can't elbow them while
they're on the ground, like just the you can elbu
them sideways, but not on the Like the whole thing
(42:48):
was weird. And they came out and said, yeah, look,
this is a violent sport. This should be allowed. If
we're going to allow some of these other strikes, let's
allow this. And so now the NFL is like, well,
you know we want to tech these players. We're gonna
go ahead and make it just so it looks too
gimmicky like I saw. I was watching the opening kickoff
of the Bears begles and I didn't know who was
(43:10):
receiving the ball. I swear to God just either the
camera angle is weird, but the lineup I couldn't tell.
Speaker 6 (43:15):
In Chicago, wasn't it. Yeah, it's bad angles there at
Soldier Field.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
What's that system mean?
Speaker 5 (43:23):
It was?
Speaker 6 (43:24):
It was always the worst place to watch their film geez,
because the sideline angle that you watch from, which is
your normal camera angle, it's just an It's a low,
awful angle.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
It doesn't give you a great perspective of the field.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I've heard it's a great place to call a game
from though, if you're a broadcaster.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
No, not really.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
I mean you're a little lower so it helps, but
you still loan to be up high enough to be
able to see everything.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Hmm.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
I mean I told you like Dallas is a sweet
spot to call one. San Francisco's a sweet spot out
in Santa Clara. The hardest thing about Dallas. Is that
darn Jumbo Tron's son are big? You get caught half
the time watching that instead of actual game.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I've never been all the places, did the jay I've
never been there. Yeah, by the way, they're going to
be in super Bowl rotation?
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Or are they?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Did they get asked out with a you know, because
we've got to force the Bay Area on everybody, you know,
because we've got to continue to send them there.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I can't believe they won that bad. I mean, it's
a it's a logistical nightmare.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
It is, It's not, it's all feel There's literally a
tram or a bus that comes and picks up members
of the media. And I think the drive from downtown
San Francisco to Radio Row was like forty minutes or
something like that just to try and get there to
cover to cover super Bowl night on the Tuesday? Was
(44:49):
there last time? Like, Yeah, it's it's a problem.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
I mean, and think about for Lee.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I mean, you already got his car broken into by
a bunch of bums. I mean, now you're going to
go out there for Super Bowl and not expect a
rental car to get broken.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
What that's a real concern? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
In saying that, Sorry, I was listening back to two
Hat to Lap. What are we talking about? Oh my god,
what did you just say? I was I was listening
back to the first.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
He's trying to get the podcast done so he could
get the hell out of here when the show is over, right, he's.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Got just refer to yourself as too hatt.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
He was listening to two hats, listening to two Hat
to Lap and Wet Girl Curry dany.
Speaker 7 (45:32):
I.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
He's a class, not a real personally, not a real
persons an alien. My car is getting broken into again,
I don't have a car.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yes, the next super Bowl that's out in the San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Oh yeah, that's definitely getting broken. There's a soup kitchen
going on in that one.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Jesus didn't what did you guys step in? Like human
feces the last time we're out there.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Every time I go in Hollywood, Yep, that's a la.
Hollywood is a different place, you know what?
Speaker 3 (45:57):
You know what sucks about the Bay are Like there's
beautiful parts to it, Like where the Giants play. That
ballpark is unpossible, Like that whole area is cool. Like
Peer thirty nine is awesome.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Even the forty nine Ers Ballpark is nice.
Speaker 6 (46:12):
It's just it's it's the fact that half the Super
Bowl stuff will be in San Francisco, which is an
hour away, probably even without too.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
Much traffic, and if it's more than that, it could
be two hours.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, that's rough. Well a lot of rain there isn't there. Yeah,
it's a little chilly, it gets a little chili.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That Delta flight, eh, well that was warm. Then it
was cold.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
By the way, how of the people on the flight
that are like, all right, our flights two and a
half hours, like, can we please get to Ireland?
Speaker 2 (46:41):
And then they had to turn around around and go
two more.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Hours because this guy's emptying his tank on that's crazy
taking a nap two more hours and then what was that?
They probably canceled the flight.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Lead try to defend them by.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
They do you think The bartender at the airport was
like that guy's getting on the flight right now, like
how many how many triple shots do you think or
went through?
Speaker 6 (47:04):
Or they're like where's the flight going to Ireland? It's
abs every week you gotter.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Get him loomed up.
Speaker 7 (47:11):
The subody rode a X I was trying to defense,
since we're going back to a segment one. I was
trying to defend Flora because he's black, I guess, but
I mean you do know that their current head coach
is black.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
He's a black dude. Just so you're clear on that.
Buddy like me and Q can have our back and forth.
It's not racially driven, just so you guys know.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
I mean, if anything, if it was driven, it was
driven by offense first defense.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
It could have been offense versus defense, but it certainly was.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
I wasn't.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
I wasn't trying to defend Brian Flora as I was
just trying to make my point.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
I think the general point is we and we both
talked about like kids nowadays just different.
Speaker 5 (47:50):
They don't take the hard coaching. Well.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
I've literally had a former coach just text me while
we've been having this conversation and he kind of joked
with me about it, and I'm like, yeah, I mean,
it's just they're wired different. And look at who's to say,
maybe Tua does turn out to be the same exact
player if you just add Tyreek Hill and improve.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
The offensive line. But I also think like the offensive.
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Scheme that was there for him, year one was not
then and then in year two, don't forget they had
two offensive coordinators that Eric Studisville and they had Gatzi
there and so I don't know how that was working out,
but that could have been a byproduct of it. When
you interject Mike McDaniel, who's one of the best coordinators
in the league now as head coach, that's going to
(48:34):
help regardless of.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Who's that quarterback.
Speaker 8 (48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (48:36):
I was, like I said, I wasn't even debating that.
I thought your points were valid.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
It just was not just so you know, my guy,
it was not racially driven that that's like kind of
insane to say that. I think the part that really
threw everybody off was when LeVar said, listen, if I'm
hiring a coach, it's going to.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Be Brian Flores. That part right there, just based on
the fact that that's right where we were at, right there.
Speaker 7 (49:02):
I'm hiring him because he's black and he's the same
complexion as me. On top of that, yeah, you know,
it would have been a darker on darker support.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
LaVar actually made me change like the light on the
light the color of my phone.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Case to black or else. I wasn't allowed in studio.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
So and you might don't forget your microphone, don't forget
your headphones.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah. So like the fact that you hold it like that,
you have your hand, I'm like that.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
Dang, that's no good.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I hate him. Can I give you guys a random
thought for that only if it's racially motivated.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
But yeah, between saving Private Ryan, Interstellar and the Martian,
America has spent nearly three hundred and fifty million trying
to rescue bad Damon.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
That's a good call, all right, that was for That
was all.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
I did that Maybe you should Maybe you should rescue
his friend Ben Affleck at some point. Lily Shirt though
that that totally tells the whole entire stories. It does
that that Green Bay g he's smelling it right now.
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