August 22, 2024 • 34 mins
The Pats are on the fence at QB. TheMMQB’s Albert Breer gives an update on CeeDee Lamb, Brandon Aiyuk and coaches on the hot seat to begin the season. Plus, "You In or Out?”
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that before, I'll email Veto in the next twenty minutes
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song going. How long, Lee, Well, what's the turnover time
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tomorrows Friday. I say we get him in by Friday.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
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an instrumental version, or that's what I may call for.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
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to go right away. Bang.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
That's what I was thinking too, to speed up the process,
to help him out. Make it instrumental. We all know
the beat, you know, then we can maybe hear LeVar
sing over it.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh that was Shade.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
No, man, you sometimes do get way too sensitive, like
we're trying to compliment Shade.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'm an instigator actually, so I like I like to
I like to fall on the side of negativity because
it gives me the energy and the and the ammunition
I need to fire fire back. Yeah, that's like I'm
a natural pessimist. You know, I'm growing into a healthydget.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Could we have Pete prisk Are coming on next week?
Just sharing that?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah? Yeah, wait, I'm getting there. Way for Pete Prisko
to come on? Sure? How how soon into his appearances
does it go sideways and it just resorts to I'll.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Put it this way, Pete like throws haymakers within the
first ten seconds of the round.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Dang, Like there's no feeling out process.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I will say this one of the things he's taught
me about being in the media.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And I remember Chris Bielman was one of the first people.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Too, who after I called a few games, he's like, hey,
give me a call, and he was just kind of
talking to me about what he'd heard on the broadcast
and how I, you know, things I could improve upon.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And one of the things he always coached me on
was like, lead with the headline.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Lead with the headline, because that's what's going to hook
in people are listening. He always does, and he gets
right to the point, and he's never now to his fault.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
He'll say things that we will hold I've held over
his head for years, and he will never say he's wrong.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So there's that element of it. But he gets right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
To the point of what he wants to say and
how he feels about it, and you are not confused
in any way about his feelings on it. Which it's
it's gonna be funny when he comes on. We hear
a lot of stuff about the Giants. I'll be curious
to get his thoughts on Daniel Jones, because I think
he feels different than a lot of people out there
about Daniel Jones the Giants this year. I don't want
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to speak for him. I mean, he'll be on what
Tuesday next week?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Is that rightly? So he can you can ask him then.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
But he's he's got a different opinion and varying opinions
on a number of teams out there this year compared
to what I think is some of the popular thought.
That's the nice thing about Pete is he believes in
his his own opinions and observations and he doesn't really
need to listen to anyone else.
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we were talking about the situation in Denver. Bo Nix
is the guy. He gets the call. He's going to
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be their starting quarterback, just the second rookie enfranchise history
to start Week one for the Broncos, the other being
John Elway. Obviously we've seen the Kayleb Williams story play out.
I know Pete Prisco's a big fan of Jayden Daniels.
JJ McCarthy looked promising before the injury. And then there's
Drake May and we're not really quite sure whether or
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not it's going to be Drake May or Jacoby Brissett
that's going to be named the starting quarterback in New England?
So what would give you guys the most optimism? Or
I'll just put it this way, if you were running
the organization and you were making the call, who's your
starting quarterback Week one for New England, because I would
(05:08):
say I would say Jacoby Brissett. I'm not saying, what's
your reasoning because because they're terrible? And so why send
them out there?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Because why not send out the rookie? Then if you're
I mean, if your whole point of sending out Jacoby.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Brissette is because your experience gives you a better chance
to win, but you think they're terrible, then why not
just go get the reps and with drake Man see
you having.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Them, because at least to start the season, have them
sit on the sideline and watch get a feel for it,
just to understand, hey, we're awful and it's going to
take a little bit, but at least you get a
good seat to watch all the chaos ensue in front
of you like that. That's the way I look at it.
Let him sit a little bit and then get back
in there. Mean my approach go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, I was just going to say, I hope that
as a team, you don't approach your game and your
season because right now everybody zero zero. I hope you
don't approach your season as though you stink.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I mean that you are in for a very long season. Now.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Once they proved to you you stink, that's different, Like
then you have to figure out how you man up
on that. But right now you have the same record
as everybody else. So I would say that the simple
the simple answer is is you play the player you
believe gives you the best opportunity to win games. If
you believe that's Jacoby Brissett and the short term, then
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that's what you do. You use Jacoby Brissett because you
believe that jacobyset gives.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You the opportunity to win the game.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Maybe that's because of his experience, maybe it's his understanding
of the offense. Whatever it may be. There could be
a myriad of reasons why. But if you think that
putting in Drake May is you know, the best decision
because of his talent level.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You took him with a high draft pick, so you.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Feel as though he can come in and learn on
the go, you know, trial and error, trial by fire,
then you put you put Drake May in. But I
don't think you put in Jacoby Brissett based off of
the reasoning that you think your team stinks and that
you're just going to give Drake May the opportunity to
watch the team stink. I think that's a horrible that's
a horrible example you're setting for Drake May and then
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you're not giving him a very high expectation of what
to think about the team that he's on.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, and to further that point, I think it's more
about what gives you the best chance to win. So
if you do feel like Jacoby Brissett early on gives
you the best chance to win, while Drake May sits
and watches and learns then go that route. Right, Jacoby
Brissett's probably not going to make the mistakes that you
see a rookie make, and he's going to be able
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to prepare and go through things even with everyone else
on the offense, different than what Drake May is gonna
be able to do. You know, given that he's a
rookie now eventually he's got to learn, but seeing a
veteran go through it first oftentimes helps that Drake, you know,
Drake May or whoever that you know rookie is understand
their process of how they want to go about doing it.
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Not to replicate exactly how Jacoby Brissett's doing it, but
take pieces and parts away from that. You know, if
you look at the Green Bay model where Aaron took
stuff away from Brett Farr and Jordan Love took stuff
away from Aaron Rodgers, I mean, I just I go
back to that specific transition from and all those quarterbacks
and if you watch them throw, like look at how
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Aaron Rodgers through the football before he got to Green Bay,
even early on, and then by the time he started,
I mean, he really did morph into something similar or
closer to Brett Farr than he did what he was
coming out of Cow and even Jordan Love. Go look
at Jordan Love and his full work and the way
he throws the football now as compared to when he
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first got to the Packers. It's it's almost like they
take a lot of that, you know, those pieces away
from one another physically, but also it's behind the scenes
and the way they go about leading and preparing and
presenting when you're talking to your offensive groups. So those
are all things that Drake May will learn and I
think could be valuable for him. But at the end
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of the day, I'm not really sure it matters quite
as much. I think the toughest thing that Drake May
and not the Patriots so much. But you know, he
was billed to be and some people gave him comps
to Josh Allen, Like I personally never really saw that.
As far as his game, you know, he didn't have
a strong of an army in my opinion. He throws
a good deep ball, but he doesn't have like the
strongest arm or one of the strongest.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And he's a good athlete, but he's not a dynamic
and as big.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
As far as a runner as Josh Allen, So I
never really saw that comp.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I mean, in fact, I would say Joe Milton to
me is closer coming out of college at Tennessee and
given his time at Michigan to what Josh Allen was
than Drake May. So it's it's just kind of interesting
that that was the comp But I think, unfortunately, because
Josh is one of the top quarterbacks and one of
most talented quarterbacks, that's the standard people are trying to
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hold Drake made to and and it's gonna be a
tall task because he's They're just not that, you know,
similar type of player in regards to you know, what
attributes or.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Abilities they have.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So it's and it's not a knock on Drake Man,
it's just that hasn't been what's been displayed so far
in New England. And and he's, you know, good to
have an uphill battle because the roster around him is
gonna be as supportive as some of the other teams
that these rookies are on.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I'm having a hard time finding a win on the
Patriots schedule and keeping these feet down on the ground.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Give me three woos on the clap Woo Woo woo.
Rick Flair yeah, yeah, I mixed it up, though, give
me three claps in a woo man.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
New England's gonna be bad? Are they going to be bad?
What's their wins total? I mean it should be under
a half schedule. I'm looking at here at Cincinnati to start.
That's not bad. That ain't good.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
A big Willie said, the boys looking amazing by the way,
Joe Burrow, Yeah, you say he's looking good.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He's looking good. I'm here Seahawks at home week two
for the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I mean, what do we believe about the Seahawks? Do
we think, like we say the Seahawks like they're going
to be good. Do we think they're going to be good?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't. I think that's questionable.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't they should be able to sling the football round.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I mean they got a Marry out of receivers they do,
Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, Jackson Smith and Jigba. I mean,
I think their offensive line showcase to be a little better.
But you got a new head coach, so to your point,
you don't necessarily know. But I mean, if they can
improve defensively, which is you know, hence maybe the higher
the thought behind Mike McDonald. I think they're gonna hang
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around in a lot of games, just because I do
think they'll be able to put up some points, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean on DraftKings fewest wins of the year, the
Patriots are top of the list plus three twenty fewest wins.
They got Carolina beat. Oh yeah, oh wow, yeah, yeah
they're not. Yeah, it doesn't look good. They give me
no shot. Huh yeah, yeah, no shot whatsoever. But who knows,
maybe that'll be a surprise.
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Speaker 2 (13:00):
Right now, we welcome in Albert Preer, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MmpB. You can get them
on Twitter or x at Albert Brier A b Good morning,
and that's a hell of a start for you, breaking
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Speaker 4 (13:16):
Big time, al.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Huge news.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So? What's up?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
All right? So you tell us we were discussing, uh,
you know, the same old, same old deals potentially getting
done in Dallas. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
All week?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We've been talking about the Brandon Aiyuk situation. I mean,
is this all going to end up where everybody goes
back to where they started and this was all a
waste of a time in the off season and these
deals get done before the year or what?
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yeah, I would say the likelihood would be that Auk
goes back to San Francisco and you know, I think, yeah,
I took you guys through the grasses greener scenario last
week kind of what the Niners had challenged I used
to do you know, and I know they've gotten a
little annoyed with the handling of it, but you know,
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want to just want to closure on it. And you know,
with you having had the chance to look at what's
out there, to see more money from New England with
a lesser football situation, to see comparable money in Pittsburgh,
the situation football wise is good, but not as good
as San Francisco. And then look down the barrel of
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having to move from the West coast. I think Striven,
I you back to the table and we'll see if
they can work something out and get past some of
the I say, personal acrimony. That's that's, that's the merger
over the last few weeks. As for the Dallas situations,
I think those are a little less predictable. I do
think LAMB gets done, and I think LAMB gets done
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on a similar present premises i UK where Yeah. One
thing that kind of kept me thinking that the Niners
are going to keep by you because they had a
good offerings table all along, and the Cowboys have on
a willingness to get closer to what Justin Jefferson's making,
which tells me how badly they want to keep him,
how badly. They want to have him sign my arm
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and usually those things take care of themselves. The Dak
thing's a little murkier, and you know, I I can
just say this, like you know, with with Mike McCarthy.
You know, I feel like there's there's there was a
push among owners to stop eating dead money on coaching contracts,
and I know at least some teams have felt like
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the Cowboys were making a statement in that regard by
by going into a contract here with with McCarthy, And
I feel like there's a similar sort of I would say,
a similar sort of narrative among owners out there, like
when is too much? What? When is so much too much?
With quarterbacks? And you know, you wonder how resolute Jerry
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isn't drawing a line line in the sand with his quarterback,
and how you know, how firm is he going to
be on how far he's willing to go to resign Dak?
Because I think they want us to resign Dak. I think
they want to keep Dak, but you wonder if this
is one of those this has become one of those
principal things for him. So I think they're going to
make an effort to get done before the season starts.
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But because of the leverage DAK has here, because Dak
already has so much money in the bank, because Dak
can create a freeway to free agency for himself in
twenty twenty five. I think this one is that one
is far less predictable than CDEE.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
LAMB is just a waiting game for all of them
to see who signs first, to then see if the
dominoes fall for cd or I YOUK or vice versa.
And where does Jamar Chase fit in all of this?
I know he's not, yeah, as you know, close to
free agency as obviously the other two.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yeah, I think I think you Can and LAMB relate
to each other less than Chase relates to the two
of them. What I mean by that is, I think
you could get done before Lamb. I think LAMB could
get done before i UKE. I think the stalemate in
the Chase situation has more to do with those two.
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And what that says about where Jefferson's deal is, wherever
i U lands, wherever LAMB lands. Does it confirm that
Jefferson's deal is the new market or does it affirm
that Jefferson is a complete outlier? There just hasn't been
a ton of negotiation, you know, between the Bengals and
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Chases people, at least at the point I last checked.
And you know, I think a big part of that is,
you know that Chase wants to be paid like his buddy.
And part of it was part of the slow play
in this whole thing, was that that Chase and Jefferson
were talking through Jefferson's negotiations. So clearly Jamar Chase is
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very common.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well no.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Classic breer. Just when you feel like he's getting us
some there he is, can.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
You hear me?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:58):
Yeah, Ok, sorry about that, guys. I got out of
the car and I think it might have messed up
the signal. So so I think I think, you know,
because because JAMARW. Chase is so cognizant of what was
going on in in uh In, justin Jefferson's negotiation the
whole way through, it's pretty easy to see that that
that's the neighborhood he's looking to get into. And it's
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easier to get into that neighborhood if you're if you're
Jamar Chase, if there's three people there instead of one.
So where Lamb lands and where I lands relative to
where Jefferson is. Could he either make the negotiation with
Chase easier or harder for the Bengals. But I think
there will be at least one more effort to try
to get something done before the season starts.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm gonna stay with the CD Lamb conversation. I'm gonna
double down and say, why wouldn't Ceedee Lamb feel as
though he's just as good as Justin Jefferson, so therefore
being contrasighted? Right? So to me, just listening to the
sound from Jerry Jones that we played earlier and and
(19:04):
knowing like he's basically saying, why can't we work within
the parameters of of the contract that's already in play
until we get to somewhere else?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I mean, there there.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Has to be the possibility that that Jerry Jones does
not want to pay the amount of money that CD
Lamb is probably wanting. I mean, is there is there
the possibility that CD Lamb doesn't maybe adjust what he's
his expectations are to what maybe they're willing to automate.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Can there be a compromise?
Speaker 7 (19:40):
I think they're close enough. I think they're close enough
to the Jefferson number put it this way, I think, LeVar,
the the Cowboys are closer right now my senses, the
Cowboys are closer right now to what Jefferson got than
they are to where like Jalen Waddell, you know, is
so that I mean to me, is is progress?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
You know?
Speaker 7 (20:03):
And like again, I think it reflects for the cat
how far the Cowboys are willing to go to keep him. Now,
you know, where does he stack up next to Jefferson?
That's that's the question. And and look like you're right,
like CD does have you know, it does have a
case here. He waited the extra year, right like, so
he was eligible for a deal last year, he waited
the extra year, which you know, like in the interim
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he had a seventeen hundred yard a year, one hundred
and thirty five catches, you know, clearly one of the
best receivers in football. So you know, not only did
he take the extra year of injury risk on, he
also really performed and really like showed that without a
whole lot else around him, he could be a guy
that the Cowboys could build an offense around. And so absolutely,
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like you know he should if you're him, you got
to say, you say, I bet on myself and by
all accounts, I won. So now you've got to pay
for it. And I think that's sort of where they
all right now, you know, so look, here's the other thing.
Like the Cowboys have huffed and puffed in the past, right,
but what have we seen happen. They give a historic
deeald to Dak Prescott, they give a historic deeald to
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Zeke Elliott, they give a historic field to Marcus Lawrence. Generally,
when you've seen the way these things have gone. They
give a historic deal to Zach Martin. Like historically we've
seen these things become really public because it's the Cowboys,
and we've seen the Cowboys talk about principle and everything else,
and then in the end they wind up paying players
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at the top of the market. So I think history
would tell us that seelambs probably smart and being patient
and playing this thing out because history tells us the
Cowboys will probably.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Eventually then get them On ex at Albert Breer, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategists at the MMQB, joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio. Ab between the allegations against
the organization of tanking and tampering to his handling of
(22:02):
Tua Tongue of Iloa, the franchise quarterback of the Dolphins.
How unlikely is it from people you've talked to, that
Brian Flores gets another opportunity to be a head coach again.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Oh, I don't think it's impossible. Guys, like time can
heal that stuff? And I think he actually handled the
aftermath pretty well. Let's do what he said in Minnesota. Look,
there just aren't enough good coaches in the league, you know,
and I'm not saying good good football coaches, but like
qualified head coaches in the NFL. And you know, Brian
Flores for all his swarts, you know one, I think
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it was nineteen games in two years there, right, Like.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
So.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
I don't think he was a terrible you know, head
football coach while he was in Miami. Did he do
some things wrong?
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Do.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
I think he's like like started to learn from them
and you know, gone through things like this that have
sort of forced some lessons on them. Absolutely. You know,
he's a really really smart guy, good good football coach.
And like, the interesting thing is if you talk to
people in New England, or people in Minnesota or people
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in Pittsburgh, the players all have great relationships with him,
you know. So sometimes become a head coach can get
you a can can can can can cause somebody to
act a little bit different or carry themselves a little different,
you know. I think I think Brian Flores has learned
a lot from his time, from his three years as
the head coach in Miami, and so I at least
my guess would be he is going to get another
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opportunity at some point again, like.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Even with the lawsuit, even with the lawsuits, like I
think it would be more offield stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That would hold.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Do I think, Do I think it's going to happen
in the next year or two? No, do I think
like he could. I mean because he's in such a
good place, Bulevar. I mean, I think o'connorll is gonna
win there for you know, the foreseeable future. So he's
gonna have a chance to really prove himself over a
period of time there. And you know, I think they've
drafted well, like I think I think they're that franchise
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is in good shape going forward. So I think he's
got a chance to have a nice run here with Minnesota,
where you know, we get a few years down the line,
and maybe people start to look at his time in
Miami a little differently. Like I said, like to win
nineteen games in his last two years there, and that
franchise hasn't been a consistent winner. And I'm not saying, like,
you know, that might be Daniel wasn't an upgrade. Clearly
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he has been. But but but but but Flora has
like took that thing and it was, you know, in
a place where it was completely torn down. I mean
it was it was basically like a hard reset for
that franchise, and he quickly got him in a position
where they were contending. And so even like when you
look at the context of his time in Miami, did
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he handle some things wrong, Sure, but he wasn't a
complete mess. I mean, you know, compared to some of
the other people who came out of the Patriot program,
he actually wasn't that bad at all.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Alberta, it feels like it's open season right now on
Daniel Jones, Like the media is always looking for something
and trying to take soundbites from other players that else
where are we at with the Giants? I mean, I
know he's in a critical year for him as the
Giants quarterback. But what about Brian Dable, what about this
the entire you know season, Depending on how things start, I'd.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Say Brian Daballs, I'd say Brian daval is relatively safe.
Like now, could the wheels come up? I mean, there's
always the doomsday scenario for any franchise where things could
happen that aren't planned. But I mean I would say this, like,
you know, I know the Maras were very i would
say embarrassed by that sixt year period period where it
(25:33):
was too and out, too and out, two and out
with their coaches, and they've always viewed themselves with the
same way as Steelers do, kind of this model of
stability in a league that like just like lacks it
with a lot of its franchises. And they never wanted
to fire Joe Judge. It just got to the point
where they felt like they had to do it, you know,
they wanted to see that through and it just it
(25:57):
wound up getting so bad at the end that they couldn't.
So I think they're going to be patient with Brian
day Ball and Joe Shane because that's who they are
A and B. As a result of the fact that
they weren't that way for a few years. Daniel Jones
is interesting because I just I think they pushed him
to be more aggressive in practice, and he's coming back
(26:18):
from the knees, so I think there's some rust he's
knocked off, and the style they're asking him to play
is going to lend itself to making some more mistakes,
and practice isn't even preseason games. I actually think like
a lot of like the way he plays is going
to boil down to what happens upfront with that offensive
line and whether or not he has this sort of
season that gives him a chance to be a starter
(26:40):
again somewhere, whether whether it's the Giants or somewhere else
in twenty twenty five is going to relate directly to that. So,
you know, what does Jermaine Iluminora look like, What does
Nan Rotin look like? What does what does John Runyon
look like? What does that group look like? Remade? Can
they get something out of Evan Neil in year three?
I just I think so much of their failure last year,
(27:02):
both before and after Daniel Jones got hurt, had to
do with the problems on the offensive line. They've invested
in trying to get the offensive line right. And now,
you know, I think whether or not Daniel Jones has
a fighting chance, it's going to depend on what happens
with that group.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
It wasn't that great of an outing for the quarterbacks
in Pittsburgh. What I mean is Mike Tomlin in a
situation where if one of these guys doesn't prove out,
it could.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Cost them.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
His job.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I have a lot of We're talking about a lot
of job security things here in week one. I think
Mike's spine, I think Mike's fine. This is a critical
week of quarterbacks, so that no question, this is the
first week that Russell Wilsons to being able to go
without restriction. You know, I know Arthur Smith is not
happy with what he's gotten from his offense as far
and they you know, I think a lot of it
has to do with the moving parts in the offensive line.
(28:01):
They've got a lot of young guys Troy Vitanu, Broderick Jones,
Dak Frasier that are going to be starting for them,
and they're trying to find the right mix up there
and then they telegraph their problems the receiver with their
pursuit Eyu that's something they never do. They never go
outside the organization for receivers that way.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You know.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
So there's a lot of moving parts on the offensive
side of the ball. And again this is a critical
week for Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. They have an
idea of what they have with Justin Field and how
they're gonna have to play him if they want to
have him be their seventeen game starter. I think Russell
Wilson's got to show him a little something this week
because he's been inconsistent and up until this point it's
(28:40):
been easy to chuck it up to the injury and
everything that's gone on around him. This is sort of
the show me week for Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Get him on x at. Albert Breers, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the mmqb our Buddy joins us
every single Thursday here on the show. Albert, we appreciate
a man, Thanks so much.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
I think a good weekend, good Buddy is.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
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Speaker 2 (29:13):
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I smell pretty good to you today. Yeah, I was
trying to guess LaVar's cologne. He's wearing something. I thought
(29:34):
it was Faara Gamo. Smell real clean.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it's a pretty unique, uh sense to just throw
out there was fair.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Gamo because I had it once.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I need to go buy some cool water.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Oh, you're going cool water. That's the old school.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I love cool water.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
My uncle Steve Slat shot at Steve Slate's slates. He
that's what he wore.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
When I was young, and I remember like growing up,
being on my cousins going down and.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Sand him, and I was just like, man, smells good. Man,
I need some cool water.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So he's still always let me have a little cool
water back when I was like four or five years old.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Day, Yeah, there's something about it. He hit us with
some cool water, Dad.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
And I still like that.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Brute Deoduran two like stings your nostrils when you're sprayed
on burns you up.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
My dad's Georgio red. Every time I smell it just
reminds me of my dad, like you wear it. No, no, no, no,
I don't mambo man.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Chopper loves Abercrombie.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Doesn't he really?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
He loves you know how you walk by the store
smells great and you smell it like that's essentially chopping.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You could literally you could smell him coming. It's good.
It's like wherever he is, wherever he's been. It's like
his scent. It stays behind, but it smells like an
Abercrombie store every time.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
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Speaker 5 (31:14):
This is really two.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Pros and a cup of show. What even enough? If
they're in, Please if they're.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
All right, lead to lab. What we got?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
We got preseason action Week three, kicking off Colts at
Bengals on Amazon Prime Is, along with Bears at Chiefs
on NFL Network.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Hell yeah, and on Big In Yeah Big last one.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Man, some of these guys been not even playing again
after this.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I hate preseason.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Damn, I hate You're in.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I'm in, though, I am in. Whether we do have
a triple header on Sunday for preseason football, so that'll
be fun. Okay, all spam college football this week.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
That's that's I'm excited for that. I'm super excited for
college kicking off.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
At eleven fifty nine pm Eastern time. Come on, what
to gamble?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Oh that's why?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, buddy, But I just I feel like every time
you say that you're only headed for a losing streak.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, you know what, though, it's that will to continue
on even though you're performing poorly. It's like being a
Patriots fan this year.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Does your wife know you gamble as much as you
do and lose as much as you do?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Anybuddy, that's the difference between pesos and dollars.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
A whole other conversation else we got Lee untold the
murder of Air McNair on the ends.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Oh, I'm definitely.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I already watched it, good, did you?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, at least the first Like it's like episodes, it's
a series, like I watched like the first.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
All right, well, don't give it away, but give me
a hint, like do they lead to what really happened there?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I don't know yet?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
All right, Look, remember what hell I mean? There was
a lot that they were showing, like they were giving
a lot of different persons.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Do you remember we talked about this and I told
you you're gonna watch it. Whatever the story is that
they gave us and they've been going with. I don't
buy it. I don't buy it either. It's very weird. Yeah,
that's sad, man, he was, Yeah, that was sad. Guys.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But it's National Tooth fairy Day? How much do your
kids get from the tooth fairy Man?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I don't want to have this conversation right now. I'm
so mad.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Our six year old has been losing teeth left and right.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I mean it's unbelievable. Like I had to go get cash, literally,
I didn't have any cash. He keeps losing teeth all
the time inflation.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Man, well, my wife like, so I think a dollar
or two dollars is like fair. Yeah, my wife didn't
have anything smaller than a five.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
One of the nights. That's what she came. So that
was the expectation. That's what I said. I was like,
you're you're ruining this. Now, you need to come up.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
My kids is banging out twenty sets, brouh Penn is
getting like twenty dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
A tooth, damn tooth fairy winning, winning,
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Are we all changing
our songs or is this just gonna be you guys
want to air me out for Celia Cruz at three
in the morning, and then we just get to ignore
the fact that you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Guys so it's dope, y'ah, songs are trash.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm just saying, damn.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I just hope Jonas has like a song that people
listen to.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh, I got one ready to go. If you said
that before, I'll email Veto in the next twenty minutes
and let him know I got something. All right, I'm
going to do that too, So we're gonna have new
song going. How long, Lee, Well, what's the turnover time
on that turn around time on getting some songs going
could be a wow because he has to edit them
(01:13):
tomorrows Friday. I say we get him in by Friday.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You know what I may do. I may send him
an instrumental version, or that's what I may call for.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
The one that I'm sending is instrumental, so's he's ready
to go right away. Bang.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
That's what I was thinking too, to speed up the process,
to help him out. Make it instrumental. We all know
the beat, you know, then we can maybe hear LeVar
sing over it.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh that was Shade.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
No, man, you sometimes do get way too sensitive, like
we're trying to compliment Shade.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'm an instigator actually, so I like I like to
I like to fall on the side of negativity because
it gives me the energy and the and the ammunition
I need to fire fire back. Yeah, that's like I'm
a natural pessimist. You know, I'm growing into a healthydget.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Could we have Pete prisk Are coming on next week?
Just sharing that?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah? Yeah, wait, I'm getting there. Way for Pete Prisko
to come on? Sure? How how soon into his appearances
does it go sideways and it just resorts to I'll.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Put it this way, Pete like throws haymakers within the
first ten seconds of the round.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Dang, Like there's no feeling out process.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I will say this one of the things he's taught
me about being in the media.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And I remember Chris Bielman was one of the first people.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Too, who after I called a few games, he's like, hey,
give me a call, and he was just kind of
talking to me about what he'd heard on the broadcast
and how I, you know, things I could improve upon.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And one of the things he always coached me on
was like, lead with the headline.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Lead with the headline, because that's what's going to hook
in people are listening. He always does, and he gets
right to the point, and he's never now to his fault.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
He'll say things that we will hold I've held over
his head for years, and he will never say he's wrong.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So there's that element of it. But he gets right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
To the point of what he wants to say and
how he feels about it, and you are not confused
in any way about his feelings on it. Which it's
it's gonna be funny when he comes on. We hear
a lot of stuff about the Giants. I'll be curious
to get his thoughts on Daniel Jones, because I think
he feels different than a lot of people out there
about Daniel Jones the Giants this year. I don't want
(03:40):
to speak for him. I mean, he'll be on what
Tuesday next week?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Is that rightly? So he can you can ask him then.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
But he's he's got a different opinion and varying opinions
on a number of teams out there this year compared
to what I think is some of the popular thought.
That's the nice thing about Pete is he believes in
his his own opinions and observations and he doesn't really
need to listen to anyone else.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
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we were talking about the situation in Denver. Bo Nix
is the guy. He gets the call. He's going to
(04:25):
be their starting quarterback, just the second rookie enfranchise history
to start Week one for the Broncos, the other being
John Elway. Obviously we've seen the Kayleb Williams story play out.
I know Pete Prisco's a big fan of Jayden Daniels.
JJ McCarthy looked promising before the injury. And then there's
Drake May and we're not really quite sure whether or
(04:46):
not it's going to be Drake May or Jacoby Brissett
that's going to be named the starting quarterback in New England?
So what would give you guys the most optimism? Or
I'll just put it this way, if you were running
the organization and you were making the call, who's your
starting quarterback Week one for New England, because I would
(05:08):
say I would say Jacoby Brissett. I'm not saying, what's
your reasoning because because they're terrible? And so why send
them out there?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Because why not send out the rookie? Then if you're
I mean, if your whole point of sending out Jacoby.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Brissette is because your experience gives you a better chance
to win, but you think they're terrible, then why not
just go get the reps and with drake Man see
you having.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Them, because at least to start the season, have them
sit on the sideline and watch get a feel for it,
just to understand, hey, we're awful and it's going to
take a little bit, but at least you get a
good seat to watch all the chaos ensue in front
of you like that. That's the way I look at it.
Let him sit a little bit and then get back
in there. Mean my approach go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, I was just going to say, I hope that
as a team, you don't approach your game and your
season because right now everybody zero zero. I hope you
don't approach your season as though you stink.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I mean that you are in for a very long season. Now.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Once they proved to you you stink, that's different, Like
then you have to figure out how you man up
on that. But right now you have the same record
as everybody else. So I would say that the simple
the simple answer is is you play the player you
believe gives you the best opportunity to win games. If
you believe that's Jacoby Brissett and the short term, then
(06:33):
that's what you do. You use Jacoby Brissett because you
believe that jacobyset gives.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You the opportunity to win the game.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Maybe that's because of his experience, maybe it's his understanding
of the offense. Whatever it may be. There could be
a myriad of reasons why. But if you think that
putting in Drake May is you know, the best decision
because of his talent level.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You took him with a high draft pick, so you.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Feel as though he can come in and learn on
the go, you know, trial and error, trial by fire,
then you put you put Drake May in. But I
don't think you put in Jacoby Brissett based off of
the reasoning that you think your team stinks and that
you're just going to give Drake May the opportunity to
watch the team stink. I think that's a horrible that's
a horrible example you're setting for Drake May and then
(07:20):
you're not giving him a very high expectation of what
to think about the team that he's on.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, and to further that point, I think it's more
about what gives you the best chance to win. So
if you do feel like Jacoby Brissett early on gives
you the best chance to win, while Drake May sits
and watches and learns then go that route. Right, Jacoby
Brissett's probably not going to make the mistakes that you
see a rookie make, and he's going to be able
(07:48):
to prepare and go through things even with everyone else
on the offense, different than what Drake May is gonna
be able to do. You know, given that he's a
rookie now eventually he's got to learn, but seeing a
veteran go through it first oftentimes helps that Drake, you know,
Drake May or whoever that you know rookie is understand
their process of how they want to go about doing it.
(08:08):
Not to replicate exactly how Jacoby Brissett's doing it, but
take pieces and parts away from that. You know, if
you look at the Green Bay model where Aaron took
stuff away from Brett Farr and Jordan Love took stuff
away from Aaron Rodgers, I mean, I just I go
back to that specific transition from and all those quarterbacks
and if you watch them throw, like look at how
(08:29):
Aaron Rodgers through the football before he got to Green Bay,
even early on, and then by the time he started,
I mean, he really did morph into something similar or
closer to Brett Farr than he did what he was
coming out of Cow and even Jordan Love. Go look
at Jordan Love and his full work and the way
he throws the football now as compared to when he
(08:51):
first got to the Packers. It's it's almost like they
take a lot of that, you know, those pieces away
from one another physically, but also it's behind the scenes
and the way they go about leading and preparing and
presenting when you're talking to your offensive groups. So those
are all things that Drake May will learn and I
think could be valuable for him. But at the end
(09:12):
of the day, I'm not really sure it matters quite
as much. I think the toughest thing that Drake May
and not the Patriots so much. But you know, he
was billed to be and some people gave him comps
to Josh Allen, Like I personally never really saw that.
As far as his game, you know, he didn't have
a strong of an army in my opinion. He throws
a good deep ball, but he doesn't have like the
strongest arm or one of the strongest.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And he's a good athlete, but he's not a dynamic
and as big.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
As far as a runner as Josh Allen, So I
never really saw that comp.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I mean, in fact, I would say Joe Milton to
me is closer coming out of college at Tennessee and
given his time at Michigan to what Josh Allen was
than Drake May. So it's it's just kind of interesting
that that was the comp But I think, unfortunately, because
Josh is one of the top quarterbacks and one of
most talented quarterbacks, that's the standard people are trying to
(10:04):
hold Drake made to and and it's gonna be a
tall task because he's They're just not that, you know,
similar type of player in regards to you know, what
attributes or.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Abilities they have.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So it's and it's not a knock on Drake Man,
it's just that hasn't been what's been displayed so far
in New England. And and he's, you know, good to
have an uphill battle because the roster around him is
gonna be as supportive as some of the other teams
that these rookies are on.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I'm having a hard time finding a win on the
Patriots schedule and keeping these feet down on the ground.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Give me three woos on the clap Woo Woo woo.
Rick Flair yeah, yeah, I mixed it up, though, give
me three claps in a woo man.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
New England's gonna be bad? Are they going to be bad?
What's their wins total? I mean it should be under
a half schedule. I'm looking at here at Cincinnati to start.
That's not bad. That ain't good.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
A big Willie said, the boys looking amazing by the way,
Joe Burrow, Yeah, you say he's looking good.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He's looking good. I'm here Seahawks at home week two
for the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I mean, what do we believe about the Seahawks? Do
we think, like we say the Seahawks like they're going
to be good. Do we think they're going to be good?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't. I think that's questionable.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't they should be able to sling the football round.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I mean they got a Marry out of receivers they do,
Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, Jackson Smith and Jigba. I mean,
I think their offensive line showcase to be a little better.
But you got a new head coach, so to your point,
you don't necessarily know. But I mean, if they can
improve defensively, which is you know, hence maybe the higher
the thought behind Mike McDonald. I think they're gonna hang
(11:49):
around in a lot of games, just because I do
think they'll be able to put up some points, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean on DraftKings fewest wins of the year, the
Patriots are top of the list plus three twenty fewest wins.
They got Carolina beat. Oh yeah, oh wow, yeah, yeah
they're not. Yeah, it doesn't look good. They give me
no shot. Huh yeah, yeah, no shot whatsoever. But who knows,
maybe that'll be a surprise.
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Speaker 2 (13:00):
Right now, we welcome in Albert Preer, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MmpB. You can get them
on Twitter or x at Albert Brier A b Good morning,
and that's a hell of a start for you, breaking
kicker trading news. Uh yeah, on Thursday morning.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Big time, al.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Huge news.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So? What's up?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
All right? So you tell us we were discussing, uh,
you know, the same old, same old deals potentially getting
done in Dallas. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
All week?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We've been talking about the Brandon Aiyuk situation. I mean,
is this all going to end up where everybody goes
back to where they started and this was all a
waste of a time in the off season and these
deals get done before the year or what?
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yeah, I would say the likelihood would be that Auk
goes back to San Francisco and you know, I think, yeah,
I took you guys through the grasses greener scenario last
week kind of what the Niners had challenged I used
to do you know, and I know they've gotten a
little annoyed with the handling of it, but you know,
(14:05):
want to just want to closure on it. And you know,
with you having had the chance to look at what's
out there, to see more money from New England with
a lesser football situation, to see comparable money in Pittsburgh,
the situation football wise is good, but not as good
as San Francisco. And then look down the barrel of
(14:25):
having to move from the West coast. I think Striven,
I you back to the table and we'll see if
they can work something out and get past some of
the I say, personal acrimony. That's that's, that's the merger
over the last few weeks. As for the Dallas situations,
I think those are a little less predictable. I do
think LAMB gets done, and I think LAMB gets done
(14:47):
on a similar present premises i UK where Yeah. One
thing that kind of kept me thinking that the Niners
are going to keep by you because they had a
good offerings table all along, and the Cowboys have on
a willingness to get closer to what Justin Jefferson's making,
which tells me how badly they want to keep him,
how badly. They want to have him sign my arm
(15:08):
and usually those things take care of themselves. The Dak
thing's a little murkier, and you know, I I can
just say this, like you know, with with Mike McCarthy.
You know, I feel like there's there's there was a
push among owners to stop eating dead money on coaching contracts,
and I know at least some teams have felt like
(15:29):
the Cowboys were making a statement in that regard by
by going into a contract here with with McCarthy, And
I feel like there's a similar sort of I would say,
a similar sort of narrative among owners out there, like
when is too much? What? When is so much too much?
With quarterbacks? And you know, you wonder how resolute Jerry
(15:53):
isn't drawing a line line in the sand with his quarterback,
and how you know, how firm is he going to
be on how far he's willing to go to resign Dak?
Because I think they want us to resign Dak. I think
they want to keep Dak, but you wonder if this
is one of those this has become one of those
principal things for him. So I think they're going to
make an effort to get done before the season starts.
(16:14):
But because of the leverage DAK has here, because Dak
already has so much money in the bank, because Dak
can create a freeway to free agency for himself in
twenty twenty five. I think this one is that one
is far less predictable than CDEE.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
LAMB is just a waiting game for all of them
to see who signs first, to then see if the
dominoes fall for cd or I YOUK or vice versa.
And where does Jamar Chase fit in all of this?
I know he's not, yeah, as you know, close to
free agency as obviously the other two.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yeah, I think I think you Can and LAMB relate
to each other less than Chase relates to the two
of them. What I mean by that is, I think
you could get done before Lamb. I think LAMB could
get done before i UKE. I think the stalemate in
the Chase situation has more to do with those two.
(17:06):
And what that says about where Jefferson's deal is, wherever
i U lands, wherever LAMB lands. Does it confirm that
Jefferson's deal is the new market or does it affirm
that Jefferson is a complete outlier? There just hasn't been
a ton of negotiation, you know, between the Bengals and
(17:27):
Chases people, at least at the point I last checked.
And you know, I think a big part of that is,
you know that Chase wants to be paid like his buddy.
And part of it was part of the slow play
in this whole thing, was that that Chase and Jefferson
were talking through Jefferson's negotiations. So clearly Jamar Chase is
(17:47):
very common.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well no.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Classic breer. Just when you feel like he's getting us
some there he is, can.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
You hear me?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:58):
Yeah, Ok, sorry about that, guys. I got out of
the car and I think it might have messed up
the signal. So so I think I think, you know,
because because JAMARW. Chase is so cognizant of what was
going on in in uh In, justin Jefferson's negotiation the
whole way through, it's pretty easy to see that that
that's the neighborhood he's looking to get into. And it's
(18:21):
easier to get into that neighborhood if you're if you're
Jamar Chase, if there's three people there instead of one.
So where Lamb lands and where I lands relative to
where Jefferson is. Could he either make the negotiation with
Chase easier or harder for the Bengals. But I think
there will be at least one more effort to try
to get something done before the season starts.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm gonna stay with the CD Lamb conversation. I'm gonna
double down and say, why wouldn't Ceedee Lamb feel as
though he's just as good as Justin Jefferson, so therefore
being contrasighted? Right? So to me, just listening to the
sound from Jerry Jones that we played earlier and and
(19:04):
knowing like he's basically saying, why can't we work within
the parameters of of the contract that's already in play
until we get to somewhere else?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I mean, there there.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Has to be the possibility that that Jerry Jones does
not want to pay the amount of money that CD
Lamb is probably wanting. I mean, is there is there
the possibility that CD Lamb doesn't maybe adjust what he's
his expectations are to what maybe they're willing to automate.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Can there be a compromise?
Speaker 7 (19:40):
I think they're close enough. I think they're close enough
to the Jefferson number put it this way, I think, LeVar,
the the Cowboys are closer right now my senses, the
Cowboys are closer right now to what Jefferson got than
they are to where like Jalen Waddell, you know, is
so that I mean to me, is is progress?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
You know?
Speaker 7 (20:03):
And like again, I think it reflects for the cat
how far the Cowboys are willing to go to keep him. Now,
you know, where does he stack up next to Jefferson?
That's that's the question. And and look like you're right,
like CD does have you know, it does have a
case here. He waited the extra year, right like, so
he was eligible for a deal last year, he waited
the extra year, which you know, like in the interim
(20:28):
he had a seventeen hundred yard a year, one hundred
and thirty five catches, you know, clearly one of the
best receivers in football. So you know, not only did
he take the extra year of injury risk on, he
also really performed and really like showed that without a
whole lot else around him, he could be a guy
that the Cowboys could build an offense around. And so absolutely,
(20:49):
like you know he should if you're him, you got
to say, you say, I bet on myself and by
all accounts, I won. So now you've got to pay
for it. And I think that's sort of where they
all right now, you know, so look, here's the other thing.
Like the Cowboys have huffed and puffed in the past, right,
but what have we seen happen. They give a historic
deeald to Dak Prescott, they give a historic deeald to
(21:12):
Zeke Elliott, they give a historic field to Marcus Lawrence. Generally,
when you've seen the way these things have gone. They
give a historic deal to Zach Martin. Like historically we've
seen these things become really public because it's the Cowboys,
and we've seen the Cowboys talk about principle and everything else,
and then in the end they wind up paying players
(21:32):
at the top of the market. So I think history
would tell us that seelambs probably smart and being patient
and playing this thing out because history tells us the
Cowboys will probably.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Eventually then get them On ex at Albert Breer, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategists at the MMQB, joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio. Ab between the allegations against
the organization of tanking and tampering to his handling of
(22:02):
Tua Tongue of Iloa, the franchise quarterback of the Dolphins.
How unlikely is it from people you've talked to, that
Brian Flores gets another opportunity to be a head coach again.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Oh, I don't think it's impossible. Guys, like time can
heal that stuff? And I think he actually handled the
aftermath pretty well. Let's do what he said in Minnesota. Look,
there just aren't enough good coaches in the league, you know,
and I'm not saying good good football coaches, but like
qualified head coaches in the NFL. And you know, Brian
Flores for all his swarts, you know one, I think
(22:35):
it was nineteen games in two years there, right, Like.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
So.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
I don't think he was a terrible you know, head
football coach while he was in Miami. Did he do
some things wrong?
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Do.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
I think he's like like started to learn from them
and you know, gone through things like this that have
sort of forced some lessons on them. Absolutely. You know,
he's a really really smart guy, good good football coach.
And like, the interesting thing is if you talk to
people in New England, or people in Minnesota or people
(23:10):
in Pittsburgh, the players all have great relationships with him,
you know. So sometimes become a head coach can get
you a can can can can can cause somebody to
act a little bit different or carry themselves a little different,
you know. I think I think Brian Flores has learned
a lot from his time, from his three years as
the head coach in Miami, and so I at least
my guess would be he is going to get another
(23:31):
opportunity at some point again, like.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Even with the lawsuit, even with the lawsuits, like I
think it would be more offield stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That would hold.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Do I think, Do I think it's going to happen
in the next year or two? No, do I think
like he could. I mean because he's in such a
good place, Bulevar. I mean, I think o'connorll is gonna
win there for you know, the foreseeable future. So he's
gonna have a chance to really prove himself over a
period of time there. And you know, I think they've
drafted well, like I think I think they're that franchise
(24:00):
is in good shape going forward. So I think he's
got a chance to have a nice run here with Minnesota,
where you know, we get a few years down the line,
and maybe people start to look at his time in
Miami a little differently. Like I said, like to win
nineteen games in his last two years there, and that
franchise hasn't been a consistent winner. And I'm not saying, like,
you know, that might be Daniel wasn't an upgrade. Clearly
(24:21):
he has been. But but but but but Flora has
like took that thing and it was, you know, in
a place where it was completely torn down. I mean
it was it was basically like a hard reset for
that franchise, and he quickly got him in a position
where they were contending. And so even like when you
look at the context of his time in Miami, did
(24:42):
he handle some things wrong, Sure, but he wasn't a
complete mess. I mean, you know, compared to some of
the other people who came out of the Patriot program,
he actually wasn't that bad at all.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Alberta, it feels like it's open season right now on
Daniel Jones, Like the media is always looking for something
and trying to take soundbites from other players that else
where are we at with the Giants? I mean, I
know he's in a critical year for him as the
Giants quarterback. But what about Brian Dable, what about this
the entire you know season, Depending on how things start, I'd.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Say Brian Daballs, I'd say Brian daval is relatively safe.
Like now, could the wheels come up? I mean, there's
always the doomsday scenario for any franchise where things could
happen that aren't planned. But I mean I would say this, like,
you know, I know the Maras were very i would
say embarrassed by that sixt year period period where it
(25:33):
was too and out, too and out, two and out
with their coaches, and they've always viewed themselves with the
same way as Steelers do, kind of this model of
stability in a league that like just like lacks it
with a lot of its franchises. And they never wanted
to fire Joe Judge. It just got to the point
where they felt like they had to do it, you know,
they wanted to see that through and it just it
(25:57):
wound up getting so bad at the end that they couldn't.
So I think they're going to be patient with Brian
day Ball and Joe Shane because that's who they are
A and B. As a result of the fact that
they weren't that way for a few years. Daniel Jones
is interesting because I just I think they pushed him
to be more aggressive in practice, and he's coming back
(26:18):
from the knees, so I think there's some rust he's
knocked off, and the style they're asking him to play
is going to lend itself to making some more mistakes,
and practice isn't even preseason games. I actually think like
a lot of like the way he plays is going
to boil down to what happens upfront with that offensive
line and whether or not he has this sort of
season that gives him a chance to be a starter
(26:40):
again somewhere, whether whether it's the Giants or somewhere else
in twenty twenty five is going to relate directly to that. So,
you know, what does Jermaine Iluminora look like, What does
Nan Rotin look like? What does what does John Runyon
look like? What does that group look like? Remade? Can
they get something out of Evan Neil in year three?
I just I think so much of their failure last year,
(27:02):
both before and after Daniel Jones got hurt, had to
do with the problems on the offensive line. They've invested
in trying to get the offensive line right. And now,
you know, I think whether or not Daniel Jones has
a fighting chance, it's going to depend on what happens
with that group.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
It wasn't that great of an outing for the quarterbacks
in Pittsburgh. What I mean is Mike Tomlin in a
situation where if one of these guys doesn't prove out,
it could.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Cost them.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
His job.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I have a lot of We're talking about a lot
of job security things here in week one. I think
Mike's spine, I think Mike's fine. This is a critical
week of quarterbacks, so that no question, this is the
first week that Russell Wilsons to being able to go
without restriction. You know, I know Arthur Smith is not
happy with what he's gotten from his offense as far
and they you know, I think a lot of it
has to do with the moving parts in the offensive line.
(28:01):
They've got a lot of young guys Troy Vitanu, Broderick Jones,
Dak Frasier that are going to be starting for them,
and they're trying to find the right mix up there
and then they telegraph their problems the receiver with their
pursuit Eyu that's something they never do. They never go
outside the organization for receivers that way.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You know.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
So there's a lot of moving parts on the offensive
side of the ball. And again this is a critical
week for Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. They have an
idea of what they have with Justin Field and how
they're gonna have to play him if they want to
have him be their seventeen game starter. I think Russell
Wilson's got to show him a little something this week
because he's been inconsistent and up until this point it's
(28:40):
been easy to chuck it up to the injury and
everything that's gone on around him. This is sort of
the show me week for Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Get him on x at. Albert Breers, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the mmqb our Buddy joins us
every single Thursday here on the show. Albert, we appreciate
a man, Thanks so much.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
I think a good weekend, good Buddy is.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
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Speaker 2 (29:13):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas knocks with you Faara Gamo. Nope,
that's not it. Uh huh damn smells just like it.
I smell pretty good to you today. Yeah, I was
trying to guess LaVar's cologne. He's wearing something. I thought
(29:34):
it was Faara Gamo. Smell real clean.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it's a pretty unique, uh sense to just throw
out there was fair.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Gamo because I had it once.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I need to go buy some cool water.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Oh, you're going cool water. That's the old school.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I love cool water.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
My uncle Steve Slat shot at Steve Slate's slates. He
that's what he wore.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
When I was young, and I remember like growing up,
being on my cousins going down and.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Sand him, and I was just like, man, smells good. Man,
I need some cool water.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So he's still always let me have a little cool
water back when I was like four or five years old.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Day, Yeah, there's something about it. He hit us with
some cool water, Dad.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
And I still like that.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Brute Deoduran two like stings your nostrils when you're sprayed
on burns you up.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
My dad's Georgio red. Every time I smell it just
reminds me of my dad, like you wear it. No, no, no, no,
I don't mambo man.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Chopper loves Abercrombie.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Doesn't he really?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
He loves you know how you walk by the store
smells great and you smell it like that's essentially chopping.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You could literally you could smell him coming. It's good.
It's like wherever he is, wherever he's been. It's like
his scent. It stays behind, but it smells like an
Abercrombie store every time.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
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Speaker 5 (31:14):
This is really two.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Pros and a cup of show. What even enough? If
they're in, Please if they're.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
All right, lead to lab. What we got?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
We got preseason action Week three, kicking off Colts at
Bengals on Amazon Prime Is, along with Bears at Chiefs
on NFL Network.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Hell yeah, and on Big In Yeah Big last one.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Man, some of these guys been not even playing again
after this.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I hate preseason.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Damn, I hate You're in.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I'm in, though, I am in. Whether we do have
a triple header on Sunday for preseason football, so that'll
be fun. Okay, all spam college football this week.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
That's that's I'm excited for that. I'm super excited for
college kicking off.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
At eleven fifty nine pm Eastern time. Come on, what
to gamble?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Oh that's why?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, buddy, But I just I feel like every time
you say that you're only headed for a losing streak.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, you know what, though, it's that will to continue
on even though you're performing poorly. It's like being a
Patriots fan this year.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Does your wife know you gamble as much as you
do and lose as much as you do?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Anybuddy, that's the difference between pesos and dollars.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
A whole other conversation else we got Lee untold the
murder of Air McNair on the ends.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Oh, I'm definitely.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I already watched it, good, did you?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, at least the first Like it's like episodes, it's
a series, like I watched like the first.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
All right, well, don't give it away, but give me
a hint, like do they lead to what really happened there?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I don't know yet?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
All right, Look, remember what hell I mean? There was
a lot that they were showing, like they were giving
a lot of different persons.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Do you remember we talked about this and I told
you you're gonna watch it. Whatever the story is that
they gave us and they've been going with. I don't
buy it. I don't buy it either. It's very weird. Yeah,
that's sad, man, he was, Yeah, that was sad. Guys.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But it's National Tooth fairy Day? How much do your
kids get from the tooth fairy Man?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I don't want to have this conversation right now. I'm
so mad.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Our six year old has been losing teeth left and right.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I mean it's unbelievable. Like I had to go get cash, literally,
I didn't have any cash. He keeps losing teeth all
the time inflation.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Man, well, my wife like, so I think a dollar
or two dollars is like fair. Yeah, my wife didn't
have anything smaller than a five.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
One of the nights. That's what she came. So that
was the expectation. That's what I said. I was like,
you're you're ruining this. Now, you need to come up.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
My kids is banging out twenty sets, brouh Penn is
getting like twenty dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
A tooth, damn tooth fairy winning, winning,
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