August 28, 2024 • 37 mins
Washington’s toxic culture gets called out again. FedEx Field is now Northwest First Credit Union Stadium. The guys react to the Connor Stalions doc on Netflix. Plus, bear meat vs horse meat, the midweek awards and much more!
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe podcast with Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox, and
myself LeVar Arrington. Make sure you catch us live weekdays
six to nine am Eastern or three am to six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. You can find your
local station for the Two Pros and a Cup of
(00:20):
Joe show over at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream
us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching
fs R.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio.
I don't know whatever. That's like the one of the
in laws at the grill. Hold on, Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, you gotta check that out, man, I sent that.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That's real work right there? That is yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Is that of Santa Maria grill?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So what that is up?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's big enough thing, Like I think that's really the
name of that grill. It's like a Santa Maria grill.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That's crazy. So that's a sad horse right there?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is that a horse?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
No? Well? Whatever? Right there? Man?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Okay, well listen if it's horse or whatever. Some people
eat horse. I don't have to tell you. I ain't
never heard of that there's a guy who pissed hot.
It's an m M A fighter.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I'm sorry, can you explain what that means?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
For those test positive for steroids on the gas? Some
would say this guy pissed hot and everyone's like, man like, uh,
you know what, what's going on? I think Canela might
even use this alibi as well too. And he said, oh,
I ate, I ate tainted meat. And this other guy
said that he ate horse meat. That's how he got
as big as he was. Like, we had nothing to
do with steroids or horse meat. Apparently horse meat is
(01:52):
like was his go to horse Yeah, I don't feel
like that would be good, but I ain't never heard.
I don't know if it is, I've never had it.
But yeah, apparently horse meat was was the way to
go if you wanted to be extra jacked. They never
(02:12):
did they put horse meat in any of the as
products that you were slinging back in the day break.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Oh no, actually none whatsoever. I am looking into this.
It sounds like it's not generally generally available in English
speaking countries like the UK, Australia, United States, and Canada,
but it's also taboo in Brazil and Ireland and Poland, Israel, Romania.
(02:37):
It was like, it's ah, but it's eating in other
spots in Europe and Asia.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I guess yeah. I'm just not into it, man. I
like some people say frog legs are good. I'll never
know that.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Never I've had turtle soup too. Oh god, it's pretty good. No, man,
I just can't. I cannot get over that. I don't
want to hear that. It tastes like chicken. I know
what it is like chicken.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Yeah, Oh gosh, I'm looking at this stuff. It does
not look appetizing at all.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
What horse meat? Yeah, well what you sent did and
you know, good for.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Y'all, y'all, what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah? Yeah, one one? Good for you? What do you
mean chalk one?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Oh yeah, Howard bar one? Why can't you sound more
happy for us? We're happy for you, yeah, var for y'all. Well,
I need more. I need more energy out of you.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I gave you all your props. You got one, that's
all right.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know, it's a lot of averages, you know things
by the way, he used to eat horse meat.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I'll steer over him. I mean that dude was
Jack literally exploded. He was like one eighty five, and
then he came back as a heavyweight, and everyone's like,
hold on a second, what the hell happened to him?
He was like horse meat? Come on, stop? What what
horse are you eating?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Was?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It was struck by lightning and next thing you know,
you threw on fifty pounds of just straight muscle.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I mean, if you're gonna go that direction, like, why
wouldn't you eat like a bear?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
True?
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Like, if you're gonna go that far, go ahead and
eat like a just a big old, you know, bear
or something.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
By the way, can you look this up? Because I
think I have seen that people say that bear meat
is sweet because they eat so many blueberries that like,
for whatever reason, they're the meat and the bears.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
So sound it just now just make me comfortable.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
What you mean is that like a Google search that
you don't want in your history.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I don't want to type in bear meat, bearsberries sweet.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
They do say that the meat can vary with hints
of even sugar because of how much berries.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
The Yeah, they.
Speaker 8 (04:55):
Could also taste fishy if they're got a heavy set.
Speaker 9 (04:58):
Oh no, oh no, go that salmon they eat I
guess oo yeah, booh yeah.
Speaker 10 (05:10):
Any y'all want a bad burger, big old country, big
old country legs.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I guess it would be from all that salmon may
be eat boo yah boo.
Speaker 8 (05:30):
Yeah, nutty flavor, depending if they are eating.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
See, now you've gone too far.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
I'm just saying what I'm reading.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You've gone.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Hey, Lee, now that you're actually on the show when
it comes to Wednesdays, are you just trying to get
through the show to get to delivery Wednesday?
Speaker 8 (05:49):
Yeah, basically just counting down. I've already been looking at
what I'm gonna eat today, So how are you going
to eat? I'm gonna get a looking at this pastrami
sandwich down the street that we haven't tried it yet.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Looking at that is that?
Speaker 8 (06:05):
Yeah it is. I am gonna put fries on it,
and no we have not eaten there. Todd will refuse
to hear, but I'm gonna eat here today without them.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Now, what do you what do you wash the past is?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Tyler Dirden?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
What do you what do you watch that pastrami sandwich
down with?
Speaker 8 (06:20):
Usually a Todd Island I'm not I don't know if
we have a.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Do not rebrand LeVar Islands with Todd? Please don't.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
He doesn't make he doesn't put the amaretto on us.
I can't call it Leavar Island.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Just call it Long Island.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
When can we stop giving out the secret to Levar's Island?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Everybody just be throwing it out there right real cast up, man,
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
No magician reveals the secrets.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Remember that's all right, So feelings are hurt.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Speaking of LeVar, we do have a story near and
dear to the heart of LeVar Arrington, which we will
get to here coming up here in a moment. From
the tire rack doc Studios, ti rac dot com will
help you get there, an unmatched selection, fast free shipping,
free roade as a protection, and over ten thousand recommended
installers ti iraq dot com The way tire buying should be.
Montev Sweat was being interviewed by A Jason Leezer of
(07:14):
the Chicago Sun Times, and he talked about his time
in Washington and LaVar. You tell me if this sounds familiar,
if this is accurate or an accurate depiction of what
it was like in Washington. Quote, it was a toxic,
heavy toll, just losing in people around you, being kind
of okay with losing it could sometimes rub off on you.
You've got to stay hungry and know that you want
(07:36):
to win.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
End quote.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Does that sound like the Washington Commandos formerly the Washington
rs that only you're allowed to say because you were
drafted by them? Does that sound like your time in
Washington um.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Toxic environment?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yes, okay, with losing some I would say, I just
think the environment as a whole. There were a lot
of different focuses, is what I'll say. Some focuses were
more on girls. Some focuses were more on vehicles, some
focuses were more on having the better crib. I mean,
(08:17):
the focuses were just they were just off, that's all. Like,
it just wasn't on winning. And then there wasn't a
you know, I had an opportunity to be in the Giants'
locker room that was a super Bowl caliber team. They
ended up winning two Super Bowls. That group of guys
(08:38):
that I was in the locker room with, and just
the way, I don't expect a locker room to be
an all everyone, one for all, and all for one
locker room in the pros. It's just very difficult to
accomplish that feat with grown ass men and at the
(09:01):
professional level. But there needs to be a core nucleus
of guys that have a genuine like and even a
love for one another in the locker room in order
for that locker that locker room culture to be healthy
and to be managed in a way where you know
(09:24):
you're going in the right direction. And that's just not
something that that's just not something that was ever established
in Washington. Like there there were some fine men that
we were brought into that locker room, some fine people
that were a part of that team. But I just
(09:44):
think that there were a lot of elements that you know,
had to be overcome, and there just wasn't enough. There
wasn't enough. I don't think there will ever be enough.
When you're in a toxic organization. Let me start there,
your locker room. The things that Sweat is talking about
(10:04):
is basically to me, it's a product of what the
entirety of what that organization from, from the ownership, what
it represented. I think that that's just the short of it.
Instead of trying to explain it from the player perspective.
I just think that the ownership, the owner was a
toxic person, and most of the relationships and most of
(10:28):
the way things felt there and people.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Coming and going. It was just it wasn't a healthy environment.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
So Ron Rivera just didn't stand a chance. No, in
that situation.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
You can name all of them.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Joe Gibbs, he did all right, but he got the
hell up out of there. Took a toll on him,
you know.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Marty. He came in there with it iron fish and said,
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Going to deal with it like I'm going to change it.
I'm going to change the culture. And they got rid
of him after one year. They didn't get rid of
him because of his lack of performance. They got rid
of him because they were intimidated by the fact that
he was changing the culture.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Of the building.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Like basically was telling Dan be an owner, and stay
out out of my business, stay out of stay out
of football business. Just be an owner. Steve Spurrier didn't
make it. North Turner didn't make it. You know, guys
didn't make it. No one has survived being successful, not
not a player like I don't know that maybe Chris Samuels.
(11:32):
I don't know that a Hall of Famer has has
developed in Washington since Dan Snyder took it over. Champ
Bailey could have been but he left. I don't know
that there was an environment that produced and was culturally
sound enough for there to be a player that was
(11:53):
actually successful enough to go into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's why Trent Williams want it out right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Trent Williams, he's a good name. Trent Williams and Chris Samuels.
Those those two probably would be the two that I
would put in there. Trent Williams probably, I don't know
that he's a bona fide Hall of Famer, and in Washington,
maybe he is. He did enough in Washington. He definitely
did enough in Washington, but he definitely solidified it when
(12:18):
he went to to San France. So two players, two.
You could say, I don't know that Chris Samuels even
gets in, but yeah, I mean what he's saying isn't
isn't you know? That's his that's his you know, his
account of it, that's what he experienced. And generally, when
you come from a winning program in college, that's something
that's talked about in the locker room. You know, the
(12:40):
cultures talked about, like there's certain conversations and if you
if you've won at at the you know, at that level,
you talk about.
Speaker 11 (12:48):
It like, man, things change, things change, and you got
to try to figure out We talked about this earlier
in the show, right, you got to try to figure
out how does things changing?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
How how like how does that work? You know, because
you don't want to be okay with it. But some guys,
you know, I guess they say, listen, I like you said, Jonas, like,
I'm getting my paycheck. As long as I'm getting my paycheck,
I'm good. Some people feel that way. It's a job
and I'm gonna do my job to the best of
my ability. But if if we're not winning, I still
(13:22):
did my job and I'm still gonna get compensated for
my job.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I mean, some people feel that way. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I always wanted to win, but it didn't seem like
that was always the focus of what guys had.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know, when we were in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, well you lost. I mean, based on the text chain,
you know, the last one just sent over, we lost one. Yeah,
big loss for you, big loss. I've already addressed that though,
you know, you know, it's just a friendly reminder.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I mean, listen, today, I'm I'm I'm all about you know,
equal opportunities. I'm all about, you know, people being happy.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
That's all. If you're happy, great, run with it.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Also, by the way, uh, FedEx Field was no longer.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
They changed it.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, they changed the name. So yeah, Northwest is going
to be the name of the Northwest Federal Credit Union,
so to be called Northwest Stadium. Now I just always
called it RFK. But again, you know, just trying to
keep it easy.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So, uh you play that was that was the stadium
where they won all the championships. That was not the stadium.
FedEx Field was always Dan Snyder's stadium.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
So they're trying to get rid of everything Dan Snyder related,
you know, move on, all gone, moving forward. It is
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you
coming up next here though from the tire Rack dot
Com Studios. Listen. Apparently there's a he said, they said,
(14:56):
when it comes to a scandal in the world of sports,
we will get into that for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 12 (15:17):
Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller.
Would mean a lot to have you join us on
our weekly auditory journey. You're asking what in God's name
is the Fifth Hour? I'll tell you it's a spin
off of it Ben Maler Show, a cult hit overnights
on FSR. Why should you listen?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Picture if you will? A world will?
Speaker 12 (15:34):
We chat with captains of industry in media, sports, and
more every week explore some amazing facts about human nature
and more. Listen to The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get
your podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you coming up
about twenty minutes from now from the tire rack dot
Com Studios, we are going to have our midweek awards,
the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Those will be
your here again about twenty minutes from now. So, have
you guys had a chance to watch or see any
clips of the sign stealing thing on documentary or a documentary, Yeah,
(16:13):
doc Hunter Stallions on Netflix. Have you guys had a
chance to see that or any What do I think
of it?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
I mean, it seems like he's pulling a Jim Harbaugh.
You know, he's he's not going to admit to any wrongdoing.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Or vilify himself.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
There's also this sense of and maybe it's growing up
in Columbus, Ohio, just understanding the passion and the culture
for your college football team. And obviously I grew up
in a place where you know, I grew up a
Buckeyes fan. I was a Notre Dame fan too. I
don't know that I was, you know, specific to one team, right, Like,
(16:53):
when I was young, the first position I ever played
was wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
So I love Jerry Rice.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
You know, Jerry Rice, when I was the first I
can remember, was the greatest football player of all time.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
So I loved Joe Montana. I loved Jerry Rice.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
And you know, I'll still never forget Cordell Stewart throwing
a hill married to Michael Westbrook to beat Michigan.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
And you know, my dad, who was from Colorado and
us watching the game in our basement and I was
jumping up and down. Is the coolest thing I've ever
seen before in my life. And at that time, you know,
it was like these gold helmets, man, that's sweet. And
then you started liking you know, Notre Dame, the gold helmet.
It's just something about the allure of the gold helmet.
But you know, it wasn't like I was, you know,
(17:33):
seriously for one team or another. I mean, I grew
up right in the backyard for the Buckeyes, so and
watching this whole thing, it to me, displays this sense
of what I think happens a lot oftentimes around Ann Arbor,
oftentimes around Columbus is you get people who are obsessed,
(17:55):
I mean absolutely obsessed, live and die by the way
Ohio State plays or Michigan plays. And it's hard sometimes.
And I know you're a PA guy, I know your
Penn State guide, and I'm sure there's a very you know,
people who are similar in that respect to there.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
But like, the Michigan Ohio State rivalry.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Is what it is because there is like and it
seems so weird that there'd be like hatred over a
college football rivalry, but it's true. Man, Like I grew
up in it and experienced it from a fan perspective,
you know, as a recruit being recruited by both schools,
and just their perspective on it, like it is real,
(18:37):
it is real.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
And what the.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Documentary showcase more than anything to me, was how much
this guy loved the University of Michigan and if he
couldn't help them as a player or as a coach,
he was going to help them in whatever capacity he felt,
like what's possible to help and win a national championship.
(19:01):
So that that's what it speaks to me more than
anything else, is like this was a die hard fan,
like past the point of obsession to where like this
was what his life was about, like his calling, Like
you almost kind of felt that and that was what
(19:22):
was all on the line.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Let me ask you this is that is there a
place for that in sport?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Like there's probably somebody that feels like that about every.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Team that exists.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, And like isn't that it should not be the
type I mean, within the rules of course, should not
be the type of people you hire to some degree,
But I don't know that there's people who are willing
to put their name, their reputation, their livelihood on the
line like that, you know what I'm saying, Like, I mean,
we now know him, and he's associated with, you know,
(19:55):
this whole sign stealing scandal, if you will, and to
what length set goes it's it's hard to necessarily put
your finger on I mean, there's points in time in
the documentary, you know, he's like, it doesn't look like me.
He's sitting on the sidelines in central Michigan.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
And and then you've got people saying how you know,
They're like, no, you know, he didn't do it. He
wasn't there, he wasn't a part of it. And Portnory
comes out and it's like, no, that was him.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Me told me.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
So I was like, well, great, there you go, Dave, Like,
way to help out your Michigan brethren.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And then Fortnoye said he was misquoted later that they
edited that to make it sound like that's what he
was trying to say, but he wasn't implying.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
And look, maybe that's the case, right because they that's
that's part of the problem with documentaries, are you know,
there's there's oftentimes a lot of tape that happens and
a lot of editing that happens. Because they have to
create the story and at the end of the day,
like they need you to watch, they need you to
talk about it. They need you to look at Netflix
in this case and say their original content is better
(20:54):
than anyone else's. They're Connor Stallion's documentary is gonna better
than anyone else's, Like that's part of their pitch. So right,
wrong or indifferent, I think no one looks at it
and says, oh, this is the absolute truth.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Like Netflix has this burden to prove one way or another.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
They're just trying to put together compelling documentary with interesting
stories and personalities that are involved. But anyway to your question, LeVar,
I do think there are fans to some degree that
are like that for most things.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
But I do think there's.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
A line that they're not going to cross. And obviously
it didn't feel like there is any line Anne that
Connor Stallions wasn't going to cross in the hopes of
getting or helping Michigan, which again I look at that
in two ways. One and I have stated this publicly.
I know there's a lot of a high State fans
who feel like they've been wrong. They would shoot it.
(21:46):
First off, you're not the only team in the Big
Ten that obviously they're doing this too. There's other teams
that are involved as well. The next thing I'd say
is a lot of people were doing it and we're
doing something similar. Be careful for pointing the finger because
you might have some point back at you. And the
last thing is is look when Connor stallions and you
know Michigan was you know, kind of self punishing and
(22:09):
and you know the Big Ten obviously punished hardball towards
the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
He wasn't involved in any of that stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Like at some point last season, you got to take
your hat off and say that was just the National
championship caliber team. Like I know a bunch of people
who said, like, whoa look at the look at the
games and their spreads and their covers and all this stuff.
And it's like, dude, stop using gambling as an indication
of that, right, Like, you know, when Michigan wants to
turn on, they could turn on. They had a soft
schedule at the beginning.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Of the season.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
They didn't need to do as much as you know,
to cover what a forty points spread or whatever it was,
thirty some points spread versus ECU, like That's not in
the back of Jim Harbaugh's mind at that point. And
by the way, he wasn't even on the field for that.
He was suspended for those few games. But but I digress.
My point is is I look at it and just
go like, they still won the national championship. He wasn't
(22:58):
down there on the sidelines. He wasn't down there helped
them prep and all that. If anything, it was a distraction,
like they didn't have if they had an advantage, they
didn't have it in the second half of last season.
They didn't have in the playoff and that led to
them winning. So you know, we can, we can make
whatever we want about what took place. The reality is
the documentary is compelling only because I think it gives
(23:19):
a lot of people who don't grow up in that
Ohio state or Michigan culture a window into what it
is like, like what it is like to grow up
in that And they kind of show the mom in
the beginning of the documentary like tackling him and and
he almost had this love for Michigan because of his
(23:40):
mom loved Michigan, and so there's like that kind of
tale and story to it that to me I'm kind
of like, Yeah, that's that's what it's like. Man, that's
part of the culture. When you're from Ohio, you're from Michigan. Like,
that's that's how it works. You're kind of born into it.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Is he a hero?
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I think the Michigan fans in some ways he is,
you know. And I don't want to speak for Michigan fans.
Obviously I've got family members who are Michigan of lums,
but I mean I would say that I think people
look at him and they say, like, I don't know
if it's the exact definition of a Michigan man, but
they have this idea of what a Michigan a Michigan
(24:17):
man is, and I think, you know, he'd be probably
up there when.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
We talk about Barry Bonds and you know, should he
be a Hall of Famer or whatnot. I think we
all kind of feel the same that. Look, the reason
why we feel like he's the best ever is because
not only what he did after he started taking peds,
but how great of a player he was before he
did it. So we've seen them before and after. So yeah,
(24:42):
you can say, well it gave him a little bit
of help or whatnot, But we've seen what it was
like both versions, and both versions were.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Great little hit Barry Bonds was a banger and it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And that's why people say, well, he probably didn't need
to take steroids, so he probably didn't need to take peds.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Does it even confirmed that he did?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No, but you know, never been from Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Here's the problem with you, Jonas is you always want
everyone to be on the game. Well, but then it
becomes a little accusatory.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Sometimes well you just think everyone is.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
My point is though, with Connor Stallions, like we saw
both versions of Michigan. We saw Michigan when they were
allegedly signed stealing, and then we saw them when they
were caught and everything was out in the open and
they and everybody was going to do something about it
and their coach was punished, and guess what happened. They
won every single game, Like they won every single game.
(25:31):
They ran the table. And so this kind of loses
steam for me because I go, all right, so maybe
he was cutting corners or cheating if you want to
call it that, but it's not like that was what
got them to where they got to. They still had
to go win big games down the stretch and they
did so, and they did so compromise without their head
(25:52):
coach in a lot of those spots. So I just
look at it and I go feels like a fan base.
If you're Ohio State, maybe you're upset, and you're being
upset should be directed towards the fact that it's been
like two thousand days since you beating them, right.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Well, And the other thing I think is it discredits
what JJ McCarthy has accomplished because it just so happens
to coincide. If you look at who was the start
of the past two years, it was JJ McCarthy, and
go back through his high school career, you know, go
back through I mean, he's he's been a winner wherever,
wherever he's been. That's the one thing when you get
people who are around JJ McCarthy or people who have
(26:29):
evaluated him and talking why the Minnesota Vikings are so
high on him too, and that's why they drafted him
in the first round, is they just they feel like
there's that it factor, there's those intangibles that you look
for and a guy who you know, whether it's being selfless,
whether it's making a play when he needs to or
toughing it out, grinding it out. You know, they feel
like he has those intangibles, and so it's a discredit
(26:50):
to him. I personally feel like too. You know, when
they moved on from Josh Gaddis, and this is no
disrespect to Josh Gaddis, but there was somewhat of a
significant offensive improvement. You know, they made staff changes over
that period of time too, that made for a big change.
I've talked to at length about Mike McDonald and just
(27:12):
his impact on that defense. Now, that kind of started
a little bit too of that run of Michigan defense
is feeling like they were a top three, top five
defense every single year. And then it transferred over to
Jesse Miner, who you know, rent in very similar system.
Everything else kind of kept that intact and upheld that.
So you start looking through some of the staff change.
(27:33):
You started looking at like, well, who's playing quarterback? Oh okay,
jaj McCarthy, Oh y oh, that the guy who went
the first round got you Like it kind of starts
to add up to that. You're you're discrediting what they
actually did on the field, and forget the sign stealing
for a second.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Like I've gone over.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
With this with you guys before they hadn't had a
quarterback that they recruited and got drafted that they recruited
and got drafted since Chad Henny. I mean, think about
how long ago that was.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I was like nine that it's a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
It's a hell of a long time.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
And so if you look at like what's been one
of the missing pieces, that's one of the missing pieces.
Like if you want to compete, you want to win
a national championship in college football, you better have a QB.
I mean, if we were talking Penn State standards, that's
the you want to be honest with the biggest questions
this year. Andy Kodenecki is the offensive coordinator. They brought
it from Kansas. Who's creative, smart guy. He's gonna put
(28:27):
Drew Aller in a position to succeed. Now, whether or
not Drew Aller ends up being the right guy for
the system, we're gonna find out. It starts off here
coming up this weekend. But if he's not both privula
I think is it also a very good fit?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I mean I've been I've been singing Drew's praises since
he's got I.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Have too dude. He reminds me of a little big Ben.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah. I believe.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I believe he will the maturity, I think some of
the setbacks that he's had. I mean, we don't need
to go too deep into the breakdown, Drew, but I
hear what you're saying though, but they have.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
A shot in my opinion, because of what I think.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You're alargy, Yes, yes, yeah, I mean you're you're But again,
I felt like anytime we had a good year here
at Penn State, it was because we had a quarterback
that could play. And and I say that to say,
not not a first round draft pick quarterback, right, not
a not a franchise guy. So if we if if
(29:29):
Drew turns out to be the guy I think he is,
and I call him the franchise If he turns out
to be a franchise quarterback, I believe that the program
goes to another level and and what it's its possibilities
of achievement are. And and that's to say, I mean
with Tracey mc sorely, we won a big ten you know, no,
you know that that's a whole nother debate that we
didn't get an opportunity to get into the playoff. But
(29:51):
and that's you know, it's all debatable. I get it,
but that's not the case this year, right, So going
into the scenario that you're going into now, it is
going to be I mean, it's interesting to watch college football,
it's interesting to watch pro football. Hell, it's interesting to
watch high school football when I've only won one championship
(30:16):
in my entire career of playing ball. That was my
freshman year of high school and it was because we
had a dope ass quarterback. Our quarterback was the dopest
high school football player to this day I've ever I've
ever seen with my own two eyes. And we won
it all. We went undefeated. And that's the thing. If
(30:37):
you have a guy at that position, you got a chance.
And that's ultimately that's how it gets defined. That's what
it comes down to. So you know, to look at
what Michigan was able to do. Back to the original point,
JJ McCarthy led that team in ways that he needed
to lead them. I think having a sense of when
(31:00):
you need to to do what you need to do,
whether it be passing or even at times when he
ran the ball and pulled the ball down and did
what he needed to do with his legs. He did it,
you know, the backfield with Coram and those guys when
they needed to put the game on their shoulders and
on their back. I'm sorry, you could steal all the
signs you want to steal if you can't cut off
(31:23):
the corner or you can't stop them getting to the
insides of the tackles and getting upfield and chunking out
yards and where and chopping down the clock and getting
and getting points at the end of those those drives
that they're just grinding it out on the ground.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
You can't sit there and tell me that stealing signs
is the reason why you couldn't stop those boys from
running you. At some point in time, you got to
set an edge, You got to be able to get
to him. The guy was like, I mean, both of them,
what's the fact that's still there right now? Both of them?
(32:06):
They're just so to me. I take my hat off
to how well Michigan played. They came together. They played
well early, but they came together. It was them against
the world. They rode it out, and for what it's worth,
they had the talent to go along with it. I mean,
you can't you can't place a cheaters hat on that.
(32:28):
You can't put an asterisk beside that team and what
they were able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I just don't see it that way.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, I mean, and by the way, if they were
really going to be stealing signed or they're really going
to do it with a.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Radio like Hey Connor, stallions, Hey Connor, jump on a
rapid radio.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I mean, now technically there are using radios now because of.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
This jump on the rapid radio Connor.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
It's the official communication device of Fox Sports Radio over
that's right, Rapid Radios. It's an instant push to talk
walkie talkie offering national LTE coverage and no subscription or
monthly fees. Business owners, you can keep up to well
in touch with two hundred staff members at one time,
(33:14):
and it's a great alternative to mobile phones for your kids.
For a limited time, go to rappid radios dot com
and you'll get up to sixty percent off, free ups
shipping and a free protection bag.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Add Code Radio and get extra five percent off. Yeah,
Rappid Radios.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you hold on.
I just want to make sure we're all over to
your hold on.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
One second.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Leadya, Gopy, you get that rapid radio spot from.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
LeVar over copy that loud and clear.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
I got it.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Roll there you go.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
See how crystal clear that is well done? Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe. You're on Fox Sports Radio,
and coming up next, we are going to have a
Wednesday tradition, our midweek awards, the good, the bad, the
ugly right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up top of next hour a little over ten minutes
from now, it's the old p Petros Papadakis, and as
instructed by Brady Quinn, we are going to piss him
off bright and early as soon as he pops on
with some Lebron James sounds.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
So that'll be yours here if you can blame that
on me, The reality is, you know, I just I
feel like that's good subject to talk to.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Petros.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
You gotta te him up.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Nice, gotta got it, got a team up, and you
gotta tease it. And y'all just did a great tease.
Hell yeah, I'm proud of y'all.
Speaker 12 (34:54):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
By the way, before we get to the good the bad,
surely to the show, our podcast will be going up.
So have you missed any of today's show? Be sure
to check out the pod search two pros wherever you
get your podcast. Be sure to also follow, rate and
review the pod. Again, just search two pros wherever you
get your podcast. You'll see this show posted right after
we get off the air.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
All right, lead to lot what we got?
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Well, guys, as we do each and every Wednesday, we
start with good news. And you know it's a good
week when Brady's delivering the good.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Brady, do you ever change this list anymore?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Let's set every single week.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
B two weeks in a row.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I get this pod, Lee, do you not look at
it like I get back?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Every single week?
Speaker 8 (35:47):
And I get or good good last week.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
No, I was not. I don't think that's right last week.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Actually, I think LeVar is always good.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I'm always bet well, I am always.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
You're bad is good? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Oh there you go?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Yeah, let's go sorry, all right?
Speaker 6 (36:07):
The good, the good would be the fact that college
football started. The NFL season is starting out, and I.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Just I love football.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I love everything we witnessed from the Florida State Georgia
Tech game over in Ireland. Yes, there are some moments.
It was sloppy, but just already an upset. Already, the heartbreak,
the excitement from a team like Georgia Tech where no
one had expectations for Gosh, I love it, man, I
love football. I'm so thankful we get to do this job.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
And then it's back.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Can't have good without the bad, LeVar. What was bad
this week?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I just think the bad this week is that you
have such an amazing pregame speech by Jamis Winston. He's
motivating and inspiring his teammates to go out there and
take advantage of the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
And now he on the trade block.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Damn, there you go. It's mess up.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I told you man, thing like.
Speaker 8 (37:01):
Give out your heart, Like take my heart, here's my soul.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Let's go do this. Yeah, did they win any of those?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I don't think so.
Speaker 8 (37:10):
And Fellas from bad to worse? What was ugly this week?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Jonas?
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Well, you're seeing guys lose their job your mama, and
you get damn.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
That was a your mama joke? Jonas. Sorry, it was
like I just.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Can't even recover what a personal attack that was. Yeah,
I would, Oh no, oh no
Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe podcast with Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox, and
myself LeVar Arrington. Make sure you catch us live weekdays
six to nine am Eastern or three am to six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. You can find your
local station for the Two Pros and a Cup of
(00:20):
Joe show over at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream
us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching
fs R.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio.
I don't know whatever. That's like the one of the
in laws at the grill. Hold on, Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, you gotta check that out, man, I sent that.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That's real work right there? That is yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Is that of Santa Maria grill?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So what that is up?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's big enough thing, Like I think that's really the
name of that grill. It's like a Santa Maria grill.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That's crazy. So that's a sad horse right there?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is that a horse?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
No? Well? Whatever? Right there? Man?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Okay, well listen if it's horse or whatever. Some people
eat horse. I don't have to tell you. I ain't
never heard of that there's a guy who pissed hot.
It's an m M A fighter.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I'm sorry, can you explain what that means?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
For those test positive for steroids on the gas? Some
would say this guy pissed hot and everyone's like, man like, uh,
you know what, what's going on? I think Canela might
even use this alibi as well too. And he said, oh,
I ate, I ate tainted meat. And this other guy
said that he ate horse meat. That's how he got
as big as he was. Like, we had nothing to
do with steroids or horse meat. Apparently horse meat is
(01:52):
like was his go to horse Yeah, I don't feel
like that would be good, but I ain't never heard.
I don't know if it is, I've never had it.
But yeah, apparently horse meat was was the way to
go if you wanted to be extra jacked. They never
(02:12):
did they put horse meat in any of the as
products that you were slinging back in the day break.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Oh no, actually none whatsoever. I am looking into this.
It sounds like it's not generally generally available in English
speaking countries like the UK, Australia, United States, and Canada,
but it's also taboo in Brazil and Ireland and Poland, Israel, Romania.
(02:37):
It was like, it's ah, but it's eating in other
spots in Europe and Asia.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I guess yeah. I'm just not into it, man. I
like some people say frog legs are good. I'll never
know that.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Never I've had turtle soup too. Oh god, it's pretty good. No, man,
I just can't. I cannot get over that. I don't
want to hear that. It tastes like chicken. I know
what it is like chicken.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Yeah, Oh gosh, I'm looking at this stuff. It does
not look appetizing at all.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
What horse meat? Yeah, well what you sent did and
you know, good for.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Y'all, y'all, what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah? Yeah, one one? Good for you? What do you
mean chalk one?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Oh yeah, Howard bar one? Why can't you sound more
happy for us? We're happy for you, yeah, var for y'all. Well,
I need more. I need more energy out of you.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I gave you all your props. You got one, that's
all right.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know, it's a lot of averages, you know things
by the way, he used to eat horse meat.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I'll steer over him. I mean that dude was
Jack literally exploded. He was like one eighty five, and
then he came back as a heavyweight, and everyone's like,
hold on a second, what the hell happened to him?
He was like horse meat? Come on, stop? What what
horse are you eating?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Was?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It was struck by lightning and next thing you know,
you threw on fifty pounds of just straight muscle.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I mean, if you're gonna go that direction, like, why
wouldn't you eat like a bear?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
True?
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Like, if you're gonna go that far, go ahead and
eat like a just a big old, you know, bear
or something.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
By the way, can you look this up? Because I
think I have seen that people say that bear meat
is sweet because they eat so many blueberries that like,
for whatever reason, they're the meat and the bears.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
So sound it just now just make me comfortable.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
What you mean is that like a Google search that
you don't want in your history.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I don't want to type in bear meat, bearsberries sweet.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
They do say that the meat can vary with hints
of even sugar because of how much berries.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
The Yeah, they.
Speaker 8 (04:55):
Could also taste fishy if they're got a heavy set.
Speaker 9 (04:58):
Oh no, oh no, go that salmon they eat I
guess oo yeah, booh yeah.
Speaker 10 (05:10):
Any y'all want a bad burger, big old country, big
old country legs.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I guess it would be from all that salmon may
be eat boo yah boo.
Speaker 8 (05:30):
Yeah, nutty flavor, depending if they are eating.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
See, now you've gone too far.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
I'm just saying what I'm reading.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You've gone.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Hey, Lee, now that you're actually on the show when
it comes to Wednesdays, are you just trying to get
through the show to get to delivery Wednesday?
Speaker 8 (05:49):
Yeah, basically just counting down. I've already been looking at
what I'm gonna eat today, So how are you going
to eat? I'm gonna get a looking at this pastrami
sandwich down the street that we haven't tried it yet.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Looking at that is that?
Speaker 8 (06:05):
Yeah it is. I am gonna put fries on it,
and no we have not eaten there. Todd will refuse
to hear, but I'm gonna eat here today without them.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Now, what do you what do you wash the past is?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Tyler Dirden?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
What do you what do you watch that pastrami sandwich
down with?
Speaker 8 (06:20):
Usually a Todd Island I'm not I don't know if
we have a.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Do not rebrand LeVar Islands with Todd? Please don't.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
He doesn't make he doesn't put the amaretto on us.
I can't call it Leavar Island.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Just call it Long Island.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
When can we stop giving out the secret to Levar's Island?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Everybody just be throwing it out there right real cast up, man,
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
No magician reveals the secrets.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Remember that's all right, So feelings are hurt.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Speaking of LeVar, we do have a story near and
dear to the heart of LeVar Arrington, which we will
get to here coming up here in a moment. From
the tire rack doc Studios, ti rac dot com will
help you get there, an unmatched selection, fast free shipping,
free roade as a protection, and over ten thousand recommended
installers ti iraq dot com The way tire buying should be.
Montev Sweat was being interviewed by A Jason Leezer of
(07:14):
the Chicago Sun Times, and he talked about his time
in Washington and LaVar. You tell me if this sounds familiar,
if this is accurate or an accurate depiction of what
it was like in Washington. Quote, it was a toxic,
heavy toll, just losing in people around you, being kind
of okay with losing it could sometimes rub off on you.
You've got to stay hungry and know that you want
(07:36):
to win.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
End quote.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Does that sound like the Washington Commandos formerly the Washington
rs that only you're allowed to say because you were
drafted by them? Does that sound like your time in
Washington um.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Toxic environment?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yes, okay, with losing some I would say, I just
think the environment as a whole. There were a lot
of different focuses, is what I'll say. Some focuses were
more on girls. Some focuses were more on vehicles, some
focuses were more on having the better crib. I mean,
(08:17):
the focuses were just they were just off, that's all. Like,
it just wasn't on winning. And then there wasn't a
you know, I had an opportunity to be in the Giants'
locker room that was a super Bowl caliber team. They
ended up winning two Super Bowls. That group of guys
(08:38):
that I was in the locker room with, and just
the way, I don't expect a locker room to be
an all everyone, one for all, and all for one
locker room in the pros. It's just very difficult to
accomplish that feat with grown ass men and at the
(09:01):
professional level. But there needs to be a core nucleus
of guys that have a genuine like and even a
love for one another in the locker room in order
for that locker that locker room culture to be healthy
and to be managed in a way where you know
(09:24):
you're going in the right direction. And that's just not
something that that's just not something that was ever established
in Washington. Like there there were some fine men that
we were brought into that locker room, some fine people
that were a part of that team. But I just
(09:44):
think that there were a lot of elements that you know,
had to be overcome, and there just wasn't enough. There
wasn't enough. I don't think there will ever be enough.
When you're in a toxic organization. Let me start there,
your locker room. The things that Sweat is talking about
(10:04):
is basically to me, it's a product of what the
entirety of what that organization from, from the ownership, what
it represented. I think that that's just the short of it.
Instead of trying to explain it from the player perspective.
I just think that the ownership, the owner was a
toxic person, and most of the relationships and most of
(10:28):
the way things felt there and people.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Coming and going. It was just it wasn't a healthy environment.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
So Ron Rivera just didn't stand a chance. No, in
that situation.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
You can name all of them.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Joe Gibbs, he did all right, but he got the
hell up out of there. Took a toll on him,
you know.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Marty. He came in there with it iron fish and said,
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Going to deal with it like I'm going to change it.
I'm going to change the culture. And they got rid
of him after one year. They didn't get rid of
him because of his lack of performance. They got rid
of him because they were intimidated by the fact that
he was changing the culture.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Of the building.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Like basically was telling Dan be an owner, and stay
out out of my business, stay out of stay out
of football business. Just be an owner. Steve Spurrier didn't
make it. North Turner didn't make it. You know, guys
didn't make it. No one has survived being successful, not
not a player like I don't know that maybe Chris Samuels.
(11:32):
I don't know that a Hall of Famer has has
developed in Washington since Dan Snyder took it over. Champ
Bailey could have been but he left. I don't know
that there was an environment that produced and was culturally
sound enough for there to be a player that was
(11:53):
actually successful enough to go into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's why Trent Williams want it out right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Trent Williams, he's a good name. Trent Williams and Chris Samuels.
Those those two probably would be the two that I
would put in there. Trent Williams probably, I don't know
that he's a bona fide Hall of Famer, and in Washington,
maybe he is. He did enough in Washington. He definitely
did enough in Washington, but he definitely solidified it when
(12:18):
he went to to San France. So two players, two.
You could say, I don't know that Chris Samuels even
gets in, but yeah, I mean what he's saying isn't
isn't you know? That's his that's his you know, his
account of it, that's what he experienced. And generally, when
you come from a winning program in college, that's something
that's talked about in the locker room. You know, the
(12:40):
cultures talked about, like there's certain conversations and if you
if you've won at at the you know, at that level,
you talk about.
Speaker 11 (12:48):
It like, man, things change, things change, and you got
to try to figure out We talked about this earlier
in the show, right, you got to try to figure
out how does things changing?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
How how like how does that work? You know, because
you don't want to be okay with it. But some guys,
you know, I guess they say, listen, I like you said, Jonas, like,
I'm getting my paycheck. As long as I'm getting my paycheck,
I'm good. Some people feel that way. It's a job
and I'm gonna do my job to the best of
my ability. But if if we're not winning, I still
(13:22):
did my job and I'm still gonna get compensated for
my job.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I mean, some people feel that way. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I always wanted to win, but it didn't seem like
that was always the focus of what guys had.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know, when we were in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, well you lost. I mean, based on the text chain,
you know, the last one just sent over, we lost one. Yeah,
big loss for you, big loss. I've already addressed that though,
you know, you know, it's just a friendly reminder.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I mean, listen, today, I'm I'm I'm all about you know,
equal opportunities. I'm all about, you know, people being happy.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
That's all. If you're happy, great, run with it.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Also, by the way, uh, FedEx Field was no longer.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
They changed it.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, they changed the name. So yeah, Northwest is going
to be the name of the Northwest Federal Credit Union,
so to be called Northwest Stadium. Now I just always
called it RFK. But again, you know, just trying to
keep it easy.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So, uh you play that was that was the stadium
where they won all the championships. That was not the stadium.
FedEx Field was always Dan Snyder's stadium.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
So they're trying to get rid of everything Dan Snyder related,
you know, move on, all gone, moving forward. It is
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you
coming up next here though from the tire Rack dot
Com Studios. Listen. Apparently there's a he said, they said,
(14:56):
when it comes to a scandal in the world of sports,
we will get into that for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 12 (15:17):
Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller.
Would mean a lot to have you join us on
our weekly auditory journey. You're asking what in God's name
is the Fifth Hour? I'll tell you it's a spin
off of it Ben Maler Show, a cult hit overnights
on FSR. Why should you listen?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Picture if you will? A world will?
Speaker 12 (15:34):
We chat with captains of industry in media, sports, and
more every week explore some amazing facts about human nature
and more. Listen to The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get
your podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you coming up
about twenty minutes from now from the tire rack dot
Com Studios, we are going to have our midweek awards,
the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Those will be
your here again about twenty minutes from now. So, have
you guys had a chance to watch or see any
clips of the sign stealing thing on documentary or a documentary, Yeah,
(16:13):
doc Hunter Stallions on Netflix. Have you guys had a
chance to see that or any What do I think
of it?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
I mean, it seems like he's pulling a Jim Harbaugh.
You know, he's he's not going to admit to any wrongdoing.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Or vilify himself.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
There's also this sense of and maybe it's growing up
in Columbus, Ohio, just understanding the passion and the culture
for your college football team. And obviously I grew up
in a place where you know, I grew up a
Buckeyes fan. I was a Notre Dame fan too. I
don't know that I was, you know, specific to one team, right, Like,
(16:53):
when I was young, the first position I ever played
was wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
So I love Jerry Rice.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
You know, Jerry Rice, when I was the first I
can remember, was the greatest football player of all time.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
So I loved Joe Montana. I loved Jerry Rice.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
And you know, I'll still never forget Cordell Stewart throwing
a hill married to Michael Westbrook to beat Michigan.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
And you know, my dad, who was from Colorado and
us watching the game in our basement and I was
jumping up and down. Is the coolest thing I've ever
seen before in my life. And at that time, you know,
it was like these gold helmets, man, that's sweet. And
then you started liking you know, Notre Dame, the gold helmet.
It's just something about the allure of the gold helmet.
But you know, it wasn't like I was, you know,
(17:33):
seriously for one team or another. I mean, I grew
up right in the backyard for the Buckeyes, so and
watching this whole thing, it to me, displays this sense
of what I think happens a lot oftentimes around Ann Arbor,
oftentimes around Columbus is you get people who are obsessed,
(17:55):
I mean absolutely obsessed, live and die by the way
Ohio State plays or Michigan plays. And it's hard sometimes.
And I know you're a PA guy, I know your
Penn State guide, and I'm sure there's a very you know,
people who are similar in that respect to there.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
But like, the Michigan Ohio State rivalry.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Is what it is because there is like and it
seems so weird that there'd be like hatred over a
college football rivalry, but it's true. Man, Like I grew
up in it and experienced it from a fan perspective,
you know, as a recruit being recruited by both schools,
and just their perspective on it, like it is real,
(18:37):
it is real.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
And what the.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Documentary showcase more than anything to me, was how much
this guy loved the University of Michigan and if he
couldn't help them as a player or as a coach,
he was going to help them in whatever capacity he felt,
like what's possible to help and win a national championship.
(19:01):
So that that's what it speaks to me more than
anything else, is like this was a die hard fan,
like past the point of obsession to where like this
was what his life was about, like his calling, Like
you almost kind of felt that and that was what
(19:22):
was all on the line.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Let me ask you this is that is there a
place for that in sport?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Like there's probably somebody that feels like that about every.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Team that exists.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, And like isn't that it should not be the
type I mean, within the rules of course, should not
be the type of people you hire to some degree,
But I don't know that there's people who are willing
to put their name, their reputation, their livelihood on the
line like that, you know what I'm saying, Like, I mean,
we now know him, and he's associated with, you know,
(19:55):
this whole sign stealing scandal, if you will, and to
what length set goes it's it's hard to necessarily put
your finger on I mean, there's points in time in
the documentary, you know, he's like, it doesn't look like me.
He's sitting on the sidelines in central Michigan.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
And and then you've got people saying how you know,
They're like, no, you know, he didn't do it. He
wasn't there, he wasn't a part of it. And Portnory
comes out and it's like, no, that was him.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Me told me.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
So I was like, well, great, there you go, Dave, Like,
way to help out your Michigan brethren.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And then Fortnoye said he was misquoted later that they
edited that to make it sound like that's what he
was trying to say, but he wasn't implying.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
And look, maybe that's the case, right because they that's
that's part of the problem with documentaries, are you know,
there's there's oftentimes a lot of tape that happens and
a lot of editing that happens. Because they have to
create the story and at the end of the day,
like they need you to watch, they need you to
talk about it. They need you to look at Netflix
in this case and say their original content is better
(20:54):
than anyone else's. They're Connor Stallion's documentary is gonna better
than anyone else's, Like that's part of their pitch. So right,
wrong or indifferent, I think no one looks at it
and says, oh, this is the absolute truth.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Like Netflix has this burden to prove one way or another.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
They're just trying to put together compelling documentary with interesting
stories and personalities that are involved. But anyway to your question, LeVar,
I do think there are fans to some degree that
are like that for most things.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
But I do think there's.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
A line that they're not going to cross. And obviously
it didn't feel like there is any line Anne that
Connor Stallions wasn't going to cross in the hopes of
getting or helping Michigan, which again I look at that
in two ways. One and I have stated this publicly.
I know there's a lot of a high State fans
who feel like they've been wrong. They would shoot it.
(21:46):
First off, you're not the only team in the Big
Ten that obviously they're doing this too. There's other teams
that are involved as well. The next thing I'd say
is a lot of people were doing it and we're
doing something similar. Be careful for pointing the finger because
you might have some point back at you. And the
last thing is is look when Connor stallions and you
know Michigan was you know, kind of self punishing and
(22:09):
and you know the Big Ten obviously punished hardball towards
the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
He wasn't involved in any of that stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Like at some point last season, you got to take
your hat off and say that was just the National
championship caliber team. Like I know a bunch of people
who said, like, whoa look at the look at the
games and their spreads and their covers and all this stuff.
And it's like, dude, stop using gambling as an indication
of that, right, Like, you know, when Michigan wants to
turn on, they could turn on. They had a soft
schedule at the beginning.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Of the season.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
They didn't need to do as much as you know,
to cover what a forty points spread or whatever it was,
thirty some points spread versus ECU, like That's not in
the back of Jim Harbaugh's mind at that point. And
by the way, he wasn't even on the field for that.
He was suspended for those few games. But but I digress.
My point is is I look at it and just
go like, they still won the national championship. He wasn't
(22:58):
down there on the sidelines. He wasn't down there helped
them prep and all that. If anything, it was a distraction,
like they didn't have if they had an advantage, they
didn't have it in the second half of last season.
They didn't have in the playoff and that led to
them winning. So you know, we can, we can make
whatever we want about what took place. The reality is
the documentary is compelling only because I think it gives
(23:19):
a lot of people who don't grow up in that
Ohio state or Michigan culture a window into what it
is like, like what it is like to grow up
in that And they kind of show the mom in
the beginning of the documentary like tackling him and and
he almost had this love for Michigan because of his
(23:40):
mom loved Michigan, and so there's like that kind of
tale and story to it that to me I'm kind
of like, Yeah, that's that's what it's like. Man, that's
part of the culture. When you're from Ohio, you're from Michigan. Like,
that's that's how it works. You're kind of born into it.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Is he a hero?
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I think the Michigan fans in some ways he is,
you know. And I don't want to speak for Michigan fans.
Obviously I've got family members who are Michigan of lums,
but I mean I would say that I think people
look at him and they say, like, I don't know
if it's the exact definition of a Michigan man, but
they have this idea of what a Michigan a Michigan
(24:17):
man is, and I think, you know, he'd be probably
up there when.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
We talk about Barry Bonds and you know, should he
be a Hall of Famer or whatnot. I think we
all kind of feel the same that. Look, the reason
why we feel like he's the best ever is because
not only what he did after he started taking peds,
but how great of a player he was before he
did it. So we've seen them before and after. So yeah,
(24:42):
you can say, well it gave him a little bit
of help or whatnot, But we've seen what it was
like both versions, and both versions were.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Great little hit Barry Bonds was a banger and it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And that's why people say, well, he probably didn't need
to take steroids, so he probably didn't need to take peds.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Does it even confirmed that he did?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No, but you know, never been from Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Here's the problem with you, Jonas is you always want
everyone to be on the game. Well, but then it
becomes a little accusatory.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Sometimes well you just think everyone is.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
My point is though, with Connor Stallions, like we saw
both versions of Michigan. We saw Michigan when they were
allegedly signed stealing, and then we saw them when they
were caught and everything was out in the open and
they and everybody was going to do something about it
and their coach was punished, and guess what happened. They
won every single game, Like they won every single game.
(25:31):
They ran the table. And so this kind of loses
steam for me because I go, all right, so maybe
he was cutting corners or cheating if you want to
call it that, but it's not like that was what
got them to where they got to. They still had
to go win big games down the stretch and they
did so, and they did so compromise without their head
(25:52):
coach in a lot of those spots. So I just
look at it and I go feels like a fan base.
If you're Ohio State, maybe you're upset, and you're being
upset should be directed towards the fact that it's been
like two thousand days since you beating them, right.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Well, And the other thing I think is it discredits
what JJ McCarthy has accomplished because it just so happens
to coincide. If you look at who was the start
of the past two years, it was JJ McCarthy, and
go back through his high school career, you know, go
back through I mean, he's he's been a winner wherever,
wherever he's been. That's the one thing when you get
people who are around JJ McCarthy or people who have
(26:29):
evaluated him and talking why the Minnesota Vikings are so
high on him too, and that's why they drafted him
in the first round, is they just they feel like
there's that it factor, there's those intangibles that you look
for and a guy who you know, whether it's being selfless,
whether it's making a play when he needs to or
toughing it out, grinding it out. You know, they feel
like he has those intangibles, and so it's a discredit
(26:50):
to him. I personally feel like too. You know, when
they moved on from Josh Gaddis, and this is no
disrespect to Josh Gaddis, but there was somewhat of a
significant offensive improvement. You know, they made staff changes over
that period of time too, that made for a big change.
I've talked to at length about Mike McDonald and just
(27:12):
his impact on that defense. Now, that kind of started
a little bit too of that run of Michigan defense
is feeling like they were a top three, top five
defense every single year. And then it transferred over to
Jesse Miner, who you know, rent in very similar system.
Everything else kind of kept that intact and upheld that.
So you start looking through some of the staff change.
(27:33):
You started looking at like, well, who's playing quarterback? Oh okay,
jaj McCarthy, Oh y oh, that the guy who went
the first round got you Like it kind of starts
to add up to that. You're you're discrediting what they
actually did on the field, and forget the sign stealing
for a second.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Like I've gone over.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
With this with you guys before they hadn't had a
quarterback that they recruited and got drafted that they recruited
and got drafted since Chad Henny. I mean, think about
how long ago that was.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I was like nine that it's a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
It's a hell of a long time.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
And so if you look at like what's been one
of the missing pieces, that's one of the missing pieces.
Like if you want to compete, you want to win
a national championship in college football, you better have a QB.
I mean, if we were talking Penn State standards, that's
the you want to be honest with the biggest questions
this year. Andy Kodenecki is the offensive coordinator. They brought
it from Kansas. Who's creative, smart guy. He's gonna put
(28:27):
Drew Aller in a position to succeed. Now, whether or
not Drew Aller ends up being the right guy for
the system, we're gonna find out. It starts off here
coming up this weekend. But if he's not both privula
I think is it also a very good fit?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I mean I've been I've been singing Drew's praises since
he's got I.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Have too dude. He reminds me of a little big Ben.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah. I believe.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I believe he will the maturity, I think some of
the setbacks that he's had. I mean, we don't need
to go too deep into the breakdown, Drew, but I
hear what you're saying though, but they have.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
A shot in my opinion, because of what I think.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You're alargy, Yes, yes, yeah, I mean you're you're But again,
I felt like anytime we had a good year here
at Penn State, it was because we had a quarterback
that could play. And and I say that to say,
not not a first round draft pick quarterback, right, not
a not a franchise guy. So if we if if
(29:29):
Drew turns out to be the guy I think he is,
and I call him the franchise If he turns out
to be a franchise quarterback, I believe that the program
goes to another level and and what it's its possibilities
of achievement are. And and that's to say, I mean
with Tracey mc sorely, we won a big ten you know, no,
you know that that's a whole nother debate that we
didn't get an opportunity to get into the playoff. But
(29:51):
and that's you know, it's all debatable. I get it,
but that's not the case this year, right, So going
into the scenario that you're going into now, it is
going to be I mean, it's interesting to watch college football,
it's interesting to watch pro football. Hell, it's interesting to
watch high school football when I've only won one championship
(30:16):
in my entire career of playing ball. That was my
freshman year of high school and it was because we
had a dope ass quarterback. Our quarterback was the dopest
high school football player to this day I've ever I've
ever seen with my own two eyes. And we won
it all. We went undefeated. And that's the thing. If
(30:37):
you have a guy at that position, you got a chance.
And that's ultimately that's how it gets defined. That's what
it comes down to. So you know, to look at
what Michigan was able to do. Back to the original point,
JJ McCarthy led that team in ways that he needed
to lead them. I think having a sense of when
(31:00):
you need to to do what you need to do,
whether it be passing or even at times when he
ran the ball and pulled the ball down and did
what he needed to do with his legs. He did it,
you know, the backfield with Coram and those guys when
they needed to put the game on their shoulders and
on their back. I'm sorry, you could steal all the
signs you want to steal if you can't cut off
(31:23):
the corner or you can't stop them getting to the
insides of the tackles and getting upfield and chunking out
yards and where and chopping down the clock and getting
and getting points at the end of those those drives
that they're just grinding it out on the ground.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
You can't sit there and tell me that stealing signs
is the reason why you couldn't stop those boys from
running you. At some point in time, you got to
set an edge, You got to be able to get
to him. The guy was like, I mean, both of them,
what's the fact that's still there right now? Both of them?
(32:06):
They're just so to me. I take my hat off
to how well Michigan played. They came together. They played
well early, but they came together. It was them against
the world. They rode it out, and for what it's worth,
they had the talent to go along with it. I mean,
you can't you can't place a cheaters hat on that.
(32:28):
You can't put an asterisk beside that team and what
they were able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I just don't see it that way.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, I mean, and by the way, if they were
really going to be stealing signed or they're really going
to do it with a.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Radio like Hey Connor, stallions, Hey Connor, jump on a
rapid radio.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I mean, now technically there are using radios now because of.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
This jump on the rapid radio Connor.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
It's the official communication device of Fox Sports Radio over
that's right, Rapid Radios. It's an instant push to talk
walkie talkie offering national LTE coverage and no subscription or
monthly fees. Business owners, you can keep up to well
in touch with two hundred staff members at one time,
(33:14):
and it's a great alternative to mobile phones for your kids.
For a limited time, go to rappid radios dot com
and you'll get up to sixty percent off, free ups
shipping and a free protection bag.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Add Code Radio and get extra five percent off. Yeah,
Rappid Radios.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you hold on.
I just want to make sure we're all over to
your hold on.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
One second.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Leadya, Gopy, you get that rapid radio spot from.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
LeVar over copy that loud and clear.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
I got it.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Roll there you go.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
See how crystal clear that is well done? Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe. You're on Fox Sports Radio,
and coming up next, we are going to have a
Wednesday tradition, our midweek awards, the good, the bad, the
ugly right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up top of next hour a little over ten minutes
from now, it's the old p Petros Papadakis, and as
instructed by Brady Quinn, we are going to piss him
off bright and early as soon as he pops on
with some Lebron James sounds.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
So that'll be yours here if you can blame that
on me, The reality is, you know, I just I
feel like that's good subject to talk to.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Petros.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
You gotta te him up.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Nice, gotta got it, got a team up, and you
gotta tease it. And y'all just did a great tease.
Hell yeah, I'm proud of y'all.
Speaker 12 (34:54):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
By the way, before we get to the good the bad,
surely to the show, our podcast will be going up.
So have you missed any of today's show? Be sure
to check out the pod search two pros wherever you
get your podcast. Be sure to also follow, rate and
review the pod. Again, just search two pros wherever you
get your podcast. You'll see this show posted right after
we get off the air.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
All right, lead to lot what we got?
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Well, guys, as we do each and every Wednesday, we
start with good news. And you know it's a good
week when Brady's delivering the good.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Brady, do you ever change this list anymore?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Let's set every single week.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
B two weeks in a row.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I get this pod, Lee, do you not look at
it like I get back?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Every single week?
Speaker 8 (35:47):
And I get or good good last week.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
No, I was not. I don't think that's right last week.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Actually, I think LeVar is always good.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I'm always bet well, I am always.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
You're bad is good? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Oh there you go?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Yeah, let's go sorry, all right?
Speaker 6 (36:07):
The good, the good would be the fact that college
football started. The NFL season is starting out, and I.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Just I love football.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I love everything we witnessed from the Florida State Georgia
Tech game over in Ireland. Yes, there are some moments.
It was sloppy, but just already an upset. Already, the heartbreak,
the excitement from a team like Georgia Tech where no
one had expectations for Gosh, I love it, man, I
love football. I'm so thankful we get to do this job.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
And then it's back.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Can't have good without the bad, LeVar. What was bad
this week?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I just think the bad this week is that you
have such an amazing pregame speech by Jamis Winston. He's
motivating and inspiring his teammates to go out there and
take advantage of the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
And now he on the trade block.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Damn, there you go. It's mess up.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I told you man, thing like.
Speaker 8 (37:01):
Give out your heart, Like take my heart, here's my soul.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Let's go do this. Yeah, did they win any of those?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I don't think so.
Speaker 8 (37:10):
And Fellas from bad to worse? What was ugly this week?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Jonas?
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Well, you're seeing guys lose their job your mama, and
you get damn.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
That was a your mama joke? Jonas. Sorry, it was
like I just.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Can't even recover what a personal attack that was. Yeah,
I would, Oh no, oh no
Hosts And Creators
Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.