September 6, 2024 • 46 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys play TAPS for the NFL kickoff. Russell Wilson limps into the start of the season and Lamar Jackson falls just short of Patrick Mahomes, yet again, in the season opener.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrings rating win and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We are off and running in the NFL season. That
was a hell of a football game last night.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It was It was a hell of a football game.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
It was incredible kind of how it came down to
the end, only because I thought Kansas City kind of
controlled that.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Game for the most part.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
And maybe I'm on an island with that thought, but
it kind of felt like whoever had the ball last though,
was going to have a shot of winning because of
both these quarterbacks and because of how Lamar kind of
just wills his team at times to make plays and win.
But I mean, literally, maybe half a tow is what
Baltimore doesn't have a chance of going for two, and
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you know, potentially winning in regulation looks like which I
also thought was kind of an interesting, you know spot,
and all of that was John Harrible immediately went, I
mean there was no thought about it. You could tell
they had the conversation during that final drive. If we
score here, we're going for two. Yeah, we're going to
win it right now. That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And I love that because you could tell Kansas City
was gassed, and I think the broadcasters even made the point.
You know, it was Chris Collinsworth and Mike Turco who said, man,
look at the Chris Jones and a lot of those
guys are taking a knee like they're worn down. Like
I mean, it was an impressive drive by Lamar in
company because it wasn't just like one big chunk play
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outside of the throw to Bateman towards the end, but
he just kind of picked him apart. Like there was
throws to the sidelines. They worked the clock, they didn't
have any timeouts. They took a little bit too long
maybe getting down there and getting everybody ready to go.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
After I thought the.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Big play to Payment, yeah, they probably should have spiked it,
but but you know, again Hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
They did.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
They executed exact what they needed to with the exception
of about an inch. I mean, that was the difference
between them having a shot at legitimately winning it with
the two point conversion. The crazy thing that you bring
up about how they look gassed, Justice Hill was one
on one with Chris Jones. The final two plays that
blew my mind. I mean, by the ways it's not
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even like it's not even like it's Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's your smallest running back on the team.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
As they gat protected everything to the left. No, I
mean it was fine, it worked out, but that was
the one thing I walked away from that game going
I still can't believe they did that, Like, how did
Todd Monkin think that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
This was a good idea?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Like arguably one of the best defensive tackle, Dan Weaver,
recall him, one of the best in the league, and
he's isolated on Justice Hill at the end. It ended
up working out, Like you still got the throw off.
It's still all could have worked out in the end.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Now, I want to give you a little bit of
credit here. You gave me a sage piece of advice.
I mean that I would never actually use because it's
too late and I stopped playing and I was terrible
when I did play football in high school. But you
gave me a piece of advice. He said, Listen, if
you're a skill position guy, always wear white cleats. You
want them to blend in with the sideline. It makes
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the call more difficult. And even Patrick Mahomes made the
comment after the game. And then if you're Isaiah like
I mean, according to Lamar Jackson, he still thought it
was a He had his feet and bounds afterwards. Maybe
he hadn't seen the replay yet, but yeah, like a
quarter of an inch.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
And who knows.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Maybe we're talking about the Ravens upsetting Kansas City on
the road in a big game to.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Open up the air.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I had some buddies with the Ravens plus three, so
we were all hoping that it would fall on the
You know, you can maybe make the case that you
know he's in there. Maybe it's did you know, you know,
it's not indisputable that it's not. But to your point,
it's why when you go out on the field before
a game you check the sidelines if they're white. Usually
it helps. It helps you can throw on some white cleats.
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Then it makes a little more difficult even with the
great camera angles that we have, which mind you had
this not been a Granted it's Thursday night, but it's
the Sunday Night football crew, which that crew for NBC
has an incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Amount of cameras. And I can just tell you.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
From doing games where you're not the number one crew
in the NFL, you've got like nine cameras, maybe maybe
ten cameras. And the reason why that matters is you're
not going to get the angle that became conclusive evidence
for the officials that.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Isaiah likely was out of bounce. And so unless you're.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
In one of these primetime crews, so like the Number
one for Fox, Tom Brady and Kevin Burkhard, or Treykman
and Joe Buck or Chris Collins with Mike Trico.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You might not have gotten the angle.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
You might not have gotten the ability to go see
it that close and be able to tell the difference,
and that call may have stood. We may have been
going on to a two point conversion. That's oftentimes the
difference when you're in TV of seeing the difference between
winning and losing sometimes these controversial plays.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So the play that also people are talking about is
the missed opportunity to say flowers in the end zone
Lamar Jackson one play before that throat Isaiah likely which
by the way, I thought Isaiah likely had broken his collarbone,
and then next time is making that play right back.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yet it filled a little NBA ish, I'll be honest,
it's a.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Little bit like who was it? Paul Pierce? He got
he had taken off in the wheelchair they craft.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Himself, and then you know, had a little bit of an.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I thought he heard his shoulder, elbow or something that
he took off the wheelchair was like I think it
was like a scar tissue popped in his knee, and
so he freaked out.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But then like one of the rumors out there was
that he had an accident in his pants, you know,
a little, a little, you know, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Not sure why it always has to go there was.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I swear to god, I'm not making that up. That's
a real story. But the only person craps their pants
on this show is probably and that also is a
fair point. But I will say this, Lamar Jackson did
talk afterwards about the missed opportunity to say flowers, and
maybe that's not really the part of.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
This that we should be discussing.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Playing before the flowers, did that bucking tipped out of
your hand or was that just just misfiring.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
I'm actually it was I went scrambled.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I seen Chris Jones was on Justice Hill.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
Justice Hill was blocking Chris Jones, So I was trying
to help Justice out and I tried to get out
of the pocket and I seen Bateman like flying across.
I'm thinking, bait me gonna stop, and Adam throwing the
ball I see is a flying cross.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
That wasn't intended for uh uh they flowers. So yeah,
I was.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I was.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
I was teed off about that because I'm like, if
I had held onto a little bit more, I'll have
just fired. You didn't see it until the very Yeah,
Like when I threw the ball, I seen him.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I'm like, like.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I want to say something other I'm like, damn, okay
as a quarterback, does that add up?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Trying to throw it away? Is that what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
It's hard because there's it seems like there's a visual
component that you can't see there.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So I think his thought was that it was supposed
to go to Bateman and that Bateman I guess maybe
stopped running that.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
That was my take. What maybe there was a throwaway there,
Like it just it.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Seemed because he us he brought up the Justice Hill part,
which again I just I don't know how that happens.
I mean, if you're Patrick mccari at right tackle, I
don't care what, Like game's on the line, and like
they're having you turn left just to slides like, no,
I'm probably gonna go on Chris Jones. Like that was
one of the things that blew my mind because, you know,
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coming from college my last two years with Charlie Weiss,
like he didn't over complicate pass protections. It's like, hey, guys,
we want our good guys, our big offensive linemen on
their big guys. All right, big on big, it's not complicated.
I don't care where they're standing. Go point to them
like that's your guy. If you're a right tackle, you're
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not turning away or turning down blocking Chris Jones. You're
gonna go out and set and block them. I don't
care what the rest of the offensive line is doing
because of their responsibilities on the other side. You go
take that guy. Don't put our running back on a
d end de tackle. It's just big on big, it's
not that complicated. So I'm again more focusing on that
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because could have made a difference, and maybe he has
more time to make that throw or to seize flowers.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I mean, it's it's like both times he dropped back,
he had to set the pocket and then basically run
up because he knew eventually Chris Jones in quick fashion
is probably gonna be able to be Justice Hill. So
it was a credit to Lamar Jackson is getting the
ball off on both occasions.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But it's still crazy to me that they let that happen.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And I think it ultimately played an impact on what
those two you know, those two throws looked like.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Yeah, it was. It was a hell of a conclusion
of the game. I did.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Also, we got a gripe, though, can we admit that
there's a gripe?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, what's the grip? I mean, I understand this points
of emphasis. I get it with the officials, but the
second play of the game to call a penalty was
ted hockey.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I mean, come on, dude, like give a warning, first.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Name guy, but you can't right out the gate, sit
there and say a legal formation because of where he's at. Like,
I get it, I sit through where I hear the
officials say, these are the things we're gonna harp on.
You didn't call it like that. I mean, at one point,
Ronnie Stanley was ahead of the left guard and I'm
looking down.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Going doesn't even look right.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I mean he's literally in front of the left guard,
like at this point you might you could probably call
it ampenally in the left guard not be on the
line of scrimmage and say legal formation. It was so
ridiculous the point of emphasis they made that it took
away from the beginning of the game a bit, and
I don't I don't really understand why they have to
make that big of an issue with it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That was gonna be, Uh, that's how you know we've
been doing this way too long. That was gonna be
the next part of this that I wanted to get into,
because you did learn real quick in the season. Yeah,
that's what has been harped on, like they've been pounding
it into the officials heads the entire offseason. Hey, this
is what we're looking at this year. This is this
is the conversation we need to start having. The way
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Collinsworth made it seem was like there was a warning
before they made the first call.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So it was a second play.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Right, So the first play, the first first play was
the warning. Second play through the flag and then I
think what he got two more after that. I think
there were two more flags after that.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
The bad one was Baban at one point, like dot
the stretch with Baban wasn't. It's like you're a wide receiver, dude,
you're out wide. Just go look at the sideline.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Judge John Harbaugh spoke afterwards about just the call and
is hoping that we see the same thing throughout the
course of the season.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Any put the thing out that they said they were
gonna call that, uh differently, I think understanding how differently
we were the first offensive series of the season with that,
and I think they saw probably everybody watching it. It'd
be interesting to see if they call it the same
way the whole season. And I'll challenge him to call
it the same way to call it tonight the whole season.
So hopefully they'll be consistent about that.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Is no way they call it like that, right.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I Mean, here's the thing is, usually in the preseason
they set an emphasis in like one or two of
the first games, and that kind of sets the tone
of like how much they're gonna call it. And I
know a lot of times it's guys who aren't gonna
make the roster, guys who are on starters. But the
point is it's a point of emphasis and everyone takes note.
They're like, oh, this this is how this is gonna
look you know. Oh, and usually you don't see it
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on display like that in the very first game of
the season because no one wants to see all the
laundry out of the field.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
So I kind of sit back and just go like,
come on, Roger, get them.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Under control, like this is way too much, way too
much for the opening game of the season. And honestly,
it wasn't that egregious, Like they kept kind of going
back and showing it. Typically, if your helmet is on
the butt of the center, they usually let it slide
and now it's like, all right, like this his helmet was.
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I mean, it looked to me at times that Ronnie
Stanley was actually ahead of the left guard on the
lot of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, and you saw John Harbaugh kind of mouth to
whoever it was like, just tell Ronnie to move up,
Like he was just frustrated at that point. He just said,
they're just going to continue to call this. It's ridiculous.
Just tell them to move up.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Now. It was last year.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Wasn't it the opening game last year where Juwan Taylor
was the guy who kept getting away with it? I
think that's the opener last year. And so it was
it was egregious off.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
So it's funny to me like that Kansas City didn't
get called once, right, not once.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
They get called it and they're like, uh, But there's
already people out there who think Kansas City gets all
the calls and they get all the breaks and everything's
in their favor.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
There's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So now I think there was kind of a felt
like a little bit of a phantom holding call on
one particular drive.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, there's some stuff out there. There's a little
bit of fire with the smoke that that people are
talking about. And so if you factor in last year
Juwan Taylor not getting called at all, I just wonder, maybe,
to John Harbrough's point, whoever was going to get the
ball first, they were going to be made the example of,
Like I wonder if that was maybe the thought of
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the officiating crew and that's how they wanted to handle this.
But to come a year later and see Juwan Taylor
who was way off the line, which is really what
started this whole thing. And then Baltimore gets the ball
to start off the season at Kansas City and then
they get dinged like three times in like thirty eight seconds. Yeah,
a little bit problematic, little annoying as well too, And
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so we were off and running with the NFL season.
But it was fun game, man, fun as hell. And
you know the best part too, if you did have Baltimore,
like maybe you and some of your buddies, maybe somebody
known as the meat Wagon did.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Plus the three.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, even if they missed the two point conversion, we
were sitting pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
That's actually why we were celebrating at the end. Oh yeah,
because well you're good man, they're going for you're good. Like,
we didn't have to worry about overtime. There was nothing
to worry about. I did tell him to play the
over which it ended up. We saw it at forty
six forty six and a half, so it would have
hit that or did hit that, but he didn't want
to play that. He doesn't like played over unders. It's
more about spreads for him.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, listen, we are going to have all sorts of
football conversation on this show here. Because I don't know
if you know this or not, and it is important
to point this out. There's a lot of people that like,
tell us, well, it's the off season, why you doing this.
Oh well, I mean it's disrespectful to the NBA. Oh
what about the Olympics. Well, guess what, it's a football Friday.
That's right, and this time that's right.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It counts.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah yeah actually here, yeah, it's actually yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Oh screw your peacock way. Didn't peacocks steal the song?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah they did, Yeah they did. They stole from us?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Oh right yeah, I see Sam Flood Yeah still the music, Sam, Yeah, they.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Go, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, come on, come on, Lee, come on, Hey, where's LeVar?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Where's there?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
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Speaker 6 (15:04):
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Speaker 3 (15:09):
All right, yeah, come on, we're doing.
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Speaker 3 (15:16):
Come on, man.
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Speaker 3 (16:10):
So we have some.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Music that I think is appropriate for what we're about
to discuss here, because it was very obvious last night,
and ladies and gentlemen, it was a hell of a
run it. It was something that we all, we all
needed to try and get our football fix. But Rady Quoin,
would you like to say a couple of words.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
You know, growing up and learning to love the game
of football, I always felt like it was just the
fitting part of how the game began, the kickoff. It
was always so beautiful seeing young men helmets strapped on
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as a printed down the field into imminent danger. And
on the other side the receiving end, those brave souls
who stood back watching these men run towards them, knowing
they had to do their best to stop them. And
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one fearless ball carrier who is gonna have to run
and try to at least avoid one, if not two,
maybe three, maybe four or five if you're a Devin Hester,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm gonna miss it. I'm gonna miss the kickoff a lot.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Yeah, Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And listen, there's people, and I think, look, if you
want to talk about the people that can't accept the
fact that the NFL is sanctioned violence and wanted to
make a bunch of adjustments.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
And I get some of them.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I understand, you know, health and safety, like it's paramount.
I get all that, but at a certain point you've
got to accept the reality of what it is you're
dealing with here, and they wanted to make some changes,
and unfortunately they've got the kickoff's blood all over their hands.
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And now it's gone because whatever the hell that was
last night sucked beyond belief. And I thought, well, maybe
it's just the preseason. At least it'll be a different
look once we get to the regular season. Nope, they're
just kicking it out of bounds. And when you're kicking
it out of bounds and guys are just running up
to each other and it looks like you're going through
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you know, team practice in a hotel room because the
weather's bad outside and nobody's actually making contact with each other.
It's just a waste of time. I'm just can we
get back to normal? Like, can we get put like
or at this point this is.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Going to get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
This is the contrast when you go to a high
school game tonight or watch college football, it's like they
decided not to change it. Why was the NFL so
hell bien other safety of the game stop? Like what
have you honestly really cared about the safety of the game. Yeah,
(19:13):
I mean I know we want to like act like
the NFL because they put in these different safety measures
and it's all for liability and so they won't get
a lossuit. Let's just call it what it is. And
so we now put a rule in where it looks
awful to begin with. It's just the weirdest, most awkward
and look, everybody watched the preseason kind of felt it too,
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But on that stage week one, it was like, yeah,
this really was a bad idea. And now you even
have kickers. I think there's somebody even trying to kick it.
To make the guys return the football and they can't
even do it. It's just there was eleven kickoffs last night. Eleven,
you know, nine were touchbacks.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You got two returns. That's it.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
You know, it's so appropriate too about it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The first we saw of it was at the Hall
of Fame game in Canton with Devin Hester, the greatest
returner of all time, being inducted into the Hall.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Of Fame, and he had to watch that garbage.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And then last night you've got John Harbaugh, special teams
guy before he got a head coaching job, and Dave Tobe,
the guy who was Devon Hester's special teams coach in Chicago,
who's the special teams coordinator in Kansas City now, and
they've got to be subjected to that garbage, that crap
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in a bag that the NFL's rolled out because people
are too scared of the fact that there's violence in football.
Just disgusting, man. And I don't know what's going to
happen next. I mean, what do you do now? I mean,
what's the solution? Got to come up with some solutions.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Well, here's part of the issue that the NFL is
they don't like going back on something they do. So,
you know, I would say the quick solution would be
just go back to the normal way of doing a
kickoff and realize that, like there's some plays that are
not going to be sick. I mean third and one,
fourth and one. When you bring in a full back
and there's it's an ISO that full back and that
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depending on the type of ISO weak side linebackers, strong
side libeer made, it's the middle linebacker. They should be
on a collision course to be sprinting from about ten
yards apart, then smash one on one another, all on
an effort to try to stop the guy who's behind
the full back running for the first down? Is that
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a safe play?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Like?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Are we going to measure everything by concussion percent?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Is that how we're going to do this in football?
We don't do it in UFC? Right? Do we do
it another? You know? Fighting sports?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Of course not. We understand there's inherent risk and danger.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I think football players do too, and so I just
if we go back to what we had before, just
moving back. If you want more kickoffs, and if you
don't want more kickoffs, then just keep whatever goofy rule.
This is why college in high school foc football make
you look like idiots.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The brotherly shove is still a loud correct least lest
I check that. There's a lot going on there as
well too, Like you guys are getting showed up on
the inside and it just I don't know, man, it sucks.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
And and just to have.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That on full display to your point last night, for
everybody to see, Hey, what's this new and what what's
the terminology? They're calling it the dynamic kickoff? Like it's dynamic,
it's the dynamic kickoff. It's like, come on, dude, like
you can. You can pretty this thing up all you want.
It's crap in a bag that you opened up and
serve to everybody and told them to smile and like
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it because this is just the way it's going to
be nowadays. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. So yeah, if you're in
a high school football game tonight, to your point, tip
your cap. Tip your cap to the real ones out
there that are still lighting people up and get and
doing so after a running start to try and start
(22:57):
a game.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Awful.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, that being said, let's transition over to something that
also could be awful. That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers
in their quarterback situation because apparently this whole calf issue
that Russell Wilson had, you know, this little la whatever,
it's just, you know, we're just taking precaution. Like he's older,
you know, don't worry about it. It's his starting job.
Everything's going to be fine. Apparently he's still got the
(23:22):
issue with the calf and it barked on him again
maybe this week in practice, but with the season right
around the corner coming up in a couple of days,
Mike Tomlin spoke about his.
Speaker 11 (23:32):
Starting quarterback Russ Wilson was a limited participant today. His
calf got tight, so we wanted to exercise some precaution.
We'll see what tomorrow looks like and kind of go
from there.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Questions, but what are any long term concerns about Russ's calf?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
None?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Why did he report to Clayton's.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
He was a limited participants training game?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (23:54):
How much does that impact game planning for Sunday?
Speaker 11 (23:57):
It really doesn't at all, to be honest with you,
does he have.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
To go get a look at or examine might look?
Speaker 11 (24:02):
We probably will, just to exercise an abundance of precaution,
Like what's your opinion.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Adjustment ready mission excitement might have to go to him.
Speaker 11 (24:11):
I'm extremely comfortable if that is the case.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Certainly we're talking about a month, right, this has been
going on a month.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, I guess it happened while they're doing a conditioning
test and he had popped in doing a sled pole,
which I mean calls in the question you know, certain
training and when you're doing that training. But that's not
the point. I was dead wrong. You know, yesterday we
I think we did it. Was it over under or whatever?
You know, bet we might have pulled out about whether
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or not justin fields would start a game.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
This is feeling very very close to like Russell Wilson almost.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I don't know if it's like coasting through this year
or how do you describe it, But you're in a
new offense, you know, different play caller, different guys you're
throwing to. And he's been limited offt throughout camp and
into now their Week one preparation. I mean, I'd love
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to know behind the scenes how many reps has he
actually taken and depending on how this looks, because the
preseason didn't look great when he had gotten in and
I know they have offensive line issues, but if he's
not mobile and can't run. That takes away a huge
element of his game. So I'm starting to kind of
slowly walk back and I almost walk back what I
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said yesterday. Field is gonna start some games this year.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Russell Wilson's what thirty five, thirty six this year?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, I mean he's getting up there in age where
like little things like this start.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
To become nagging where you go, well, when is he
ever gonna be healthy?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Then?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Is this gonna be that they're on the injury report
every single week this season? If that's the case, Like,
I don't know that anyone's gonna have to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And I kind of feel bad for him because I
think it became a punchline in Denver when things went
so poorly, because all of a sudden started to get
all these stories about, well, he's a diva, he needed
his own office. He's got, you know, the giant house
with four bedrooms and triple the craft closets. He's got,
you know, his own parking spot, he's got, like you
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just started to hear all these and everybody like it.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Was open season.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Sean Payton got there and just sort of called him
out publicly last year to see the way and and
now here he is with an opportunity to go to
Pittsburgh for pennies for the Steeler's sake, and we're not
even to the season yet, and he's got like a
nagging injury and a nagging issue that that that has
popped up, and I just wonder, you know, maybe this
is a long term discussion better served for another day.
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Like you know, is have we seen Are we starting
to see the decline of a guy that was arguably
a Hall of Fame quarterback just three years ago? I
mean three years ago, like nobody would would dispute the
fact this guy's going to be a Hall of Famer.
And nowadays we're talking about all the stuff that went
on in Denver. Now's now he's in Habsburg.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I don't know we're starting to see the decline. I
think we're already there.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I mean, if this year goes as bad as it
feels like it might go, I mean we're already there
at this point. I mean, from the end of Seattle
into Denver and what that first year looked like, and yeah,
last year was better, but man, I just I think
we're we're almost admitted like.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
We're already there.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
If this season, if this season goes south quick, this
could be it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
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Speaker 3 (27:30):
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Speaker 6 (27:35):
LeVar, are you annimal?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
What mean? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
We don't need no cherry red pop and lock.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
That's right? This song my song?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Oh, we thought it was yours.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
This is yours? Brady, No, all right? I mean I
like it, like if I swear I can't wait, like
I like this cute.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Like if you gave me a list of one hundred songs.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Especially look, especially after getting that breaking news earlier in
the show. I mean, I get it. I can't wait.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
I mean you can get it. Wow, the drive for
five is real.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Baby, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Tang Who is that?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
By the way?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Who sings that?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Is it? New shoots?
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I mean is that right ly? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:34):
New new shoots, new shoots, or new shoes, new shoes,
new shoes, Yeah, new shoes, new shoes, new shoes.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I don't even know what I'm talking about with.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
The z new shoes. I mean the Silvar song should
be asking him.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
You know that's a nice song. I do know that song.
That's that definitely was growing up on that song. I
remember days listening.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
To It's more the b the very beginning.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
That's hot definitely, which, by the way, that's more of
like Jonas's wheelhouse.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
He always play back to that.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Not true. I'm more of a depeche Mode. Give me
depeche Mode, Lauri.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Couldn't you imagine Jonas and his black leather jacket that
he's had pretty much since the nineteen eighties in a
Iraq T top camaro with one of those giant eagles
on the hood, be popping.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Just play the beginning of the Socket.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
If you could let me just the beginning be heard again,
let me hear it again.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Could you hear at the beginning that I hear it again?
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Yeah, let's hear some new shoes news.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
But you can do it. You gotta do it.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Old I give us.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
So we're efforting here, all right, We've got some new
shoes coming your way here, uh from the.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Some Burt Reynolds action.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Can you imagine this?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Jonas pulls up, Yeah, Pops, the top's already popped off.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Yeah, he just opens the door, opens the door.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
He's got all.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Jeans with with that black leather jacket with holes in it.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, and it just it just sits on the hood,
you know.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
He just sits there, drops his chin down.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
With toothpick in his mouth, roll the window.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
You're already already out of the car, all right out
in the car. And he takes.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Us take it. We're talking about you, Bud.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
All right. I was gonna give the uh the commentary.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
He takes his sunglasses off, and then Brady Quinn comes
walking around the back of the car and stands next
to him with his leather jacket on and his sunglasses.
Then he takes his glasses off, and then he drops
his chin and he looks down as well, and then
the photo shoot starts.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, Bawn, and then we just say, anybody with the
last name Lopez come with us, and they just roll
on out.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
That works, That's how it works.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
But but that car that you're in is only a
two seater, I believe that's the point. Yeah, okay, baby.
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Speaker 6 (31:13):
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Speaker 2 (31:16):
By the way, Lee, I really will send over my
song request today I meet at this time, I'm messing around,
can't wait, not far around the.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Well done, no pun intended? All right, all right?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So the NFL season is underway. We had game one
last night, bar We had the technical difficulties to start
off the show. But you thought your takeaway after you
and I picked the Kansas City Chiefs minus three, Never
in doubt, Never in doubt.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
No, it wasn't. I was pretty I was pretty confident
that they would cover that. You know what my takeaway
from the game fellas was this Kansas City Chiefs team
has now established an inner culture that is just very
business like. You know, say what you want to say
about Kelsey and what he's got going on. You know,
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he's got a lot of things outside of football going on.
Say what you want to say about all of the
things that Patrick Mahomes has with all of the you know,
commercial shoots and stuff like that. He's very a public
figure as well. There doesn't seem to be any distractions
to their preparation and how they approach what their business is.
(32:28):
I'll say that that's what I took away. Another takeaway
was there's now an understanding and an expectation that if
you're considered to be that next guy up, then be
that next guy up. It's like, if you're going to
replace a linebacker in Pittsburgh, then you had better come
with the same exactly. It's so crazy that they're all
(32:50):
the same people, Like from Greg Lloyd to James Harrison
you know, to you you name, they're all the same people.
And I think that that's what's developing in Kansas City.
The receiver's position. It's like they may look different, but
it's like the same person. They're going to bring an
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element to the table that is explosive, that is exciting,
and you like to see it. And that's what I
think we saw out of the rookie last evening. I
mean so much so where you know, you got Tarik
Hill chiming in on social media about how good he
looked and how fast he looked out there. I just
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think this Kansas City Chiefs team knows how to go
about their business. It's very workmen like and it's interesting
because it's not as maybe it doesn't seem like it
would be as buttoned up as when we saw the
dominant run by the Patriots, even though you had some
(33:53):
really interesting personalities on that team, with like guys like
Ty Law interesting personality, Lawyer malloy interesting personality. Uh, Kevin Folk.
Uh is it Kevin? Yeah? I believe it's Kevin Kevin
Folk the running back of interesting personality like uh, big McGinnis,
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Willie mcginni's big personality. But you didn't see them like
as they're nowhere near even with Brady. They weren't what
big Willie and strong and gonna get friction on baby
got Willie. So anyway, none of those guys on that
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Patriots team were as media public or or not media public,
but like commercially public, Like who was really commercially out
there from that Patriots team. And yet you have Kelsey
and and you have Mahomes that are like literally the
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they're the faces of the NFL in terms of marketing
and branding and commercials and all these different brands, and
it has had no impact on their ability to achieve.
I think give Andy Reid a ton of credit for
being able to be the facilitator as the head coach
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to have this team be able to stay as focused
as they do with all of the noise going around them.
Give Spagnola. I don't think Spags gets the credit that
he's deserving of for the job that he does as
a defensive coordinator. If you take Spags away, this team
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isn't the team that it is.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Spags is even calling timeouts now.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Bro, the dude is the man. Bro, And you want
to talk about somebody who comes out with schemes and
listen the Baltimore offense. I mean Lamar Jackson had a night.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, I mean he.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Had a hell of a night. We had a career night.
But some way, somehow, this dude figures out how to
offset what these dudes do. And listen, they're a total
tape away from me being able to say or having
to say that wasn't the case because they pulled it out.
But that game was was a well played game. The
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defense did what they needed to do. Like, regardless of
what people may say or have opinion wise, I just
think that it's a well rounded team and it looks
like they have the potential to be one hundred percent,
not a little percent. They have a potential to be
one hundred percent better than what they have been in
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the past, and that was my takeaway. I think they're
a dangerous team. I think they're a scary team to
look at this year.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah, I think even when you consider there was no
Hollywood Brown. You know, we can talk about Xavier Worthy
as a rookie first game, made some big plays and
touches when called upon. But what stood out to me
was they still have another element of their offense.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
That was not even introduced.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So that's the scary thing.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
And I think to your point, LeVar, like the consistency
of the Kansas City Chiefs with all the other things
that are happening around them, it is remarkable.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It truly is remarkable, and it's a credit to.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
All involve the front office, the coaching staff, the players,
et cetera. But I thought last night's game was more
about Baltimore, and it was more about Baltimore for this
reason because you know, look the outcome of that game.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I'm not gonna say it doesn't matter. It matters for
you know, those of you who.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Are betting, and it could matter for the number one
overall seed in the AFC. Remember, Baltimore had the best
record last season and that's why they hosted Kansas City
in the AFC Championship Game, So it's it could be
significant in that respect, but I think we both know
that both these teams are playoff teams.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
At least in my opinion, Baltimore is they're good to
Baltimore team.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
But this was a line in the sand kind of
moment for me and watching Patrick Mahomes who kind of
like effortlessly just finds ways of completing balls and doesn't
leave the pocket until he has to, where when he
has to make a play, he makes a play. And
when you compare that to Lamar Jackson and you look
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at the fact that he is a two time MVP,
it's it's a Foegne conclusion. They're gonna win enough games
to get into the playoffs, but then it becomes about
what can you do once you get in the playoffs
and then and this is like the same conversation that
I think people have about Josh Allen. The only difference
is it feels like in the moments with Buffalo and
Josh Allen is like Josh Allen's made enough plays where
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it's just they didn't have the ball last And it
felt like at times like where they've gotten beat by
the Chiefs. In this case, you know they Lamar had
the ball. Last you know, he said the AFC Championship
game was about his legs. If his legs were healthy,
it would have been a different story. Well it didn't
work out then and then last night. There's just moments
in times when he misses throws. You know, he can
(39:05):
say whatever he wants about Rashan Bateman, he thought he
was gonna sit more in the zone coverage that's where
the throw is going, or however you want to.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Dice it up.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
There's throws that he leaves out on the field often often,
and that is the one thing about his game that
has to improve if he's gonna be able to get
to a super Bowl, win a super Bowl and change
the narrative like that, that's just the truth. What's that
(39:34):
like the flowers myth? I mean, like like that's a
throw that when you're going against the best in Patrick
Mahomes of Kansas City, he hits ten times out of
ten he hits that.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And that's where if you're.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
If you're in the AFC, if you're if you want
to win a super Bowl right now in the NFL,
you can't miss that throw. You can't miss making that play.
And that's and that's just the that's the margin of air,
the margin of difference. And that's why I said, when
you draw a line, there's Patrick Mahomes and there's everyone
else right now in the NFL that has how this
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league is operating.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
So you bring up the Lamar Jackson stuff, and you
tell me if I'm overreacting to this, but this seems
a little bit problematic to me.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
He spoke with the Washington Post.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
This is before last night's game, and he said the
following about the AFC title game. This again from Lamar Jackson, quote,
how I'm feeling right now. I wish I was feeling
like this body wise in the AFC title game, we
would have won that game. I would have been able
to move around for my guys. With me just hurting
and can't move. I know, if my legs were good,
we would have won that game. We wouldn't have even
(40:38):
had to throw the ball. F throwing the ball well, like,
if that's why the decision was made to lose all
this weight to become faster and all that, like, if
he still isn't focusing on throwing the ball. Aren't we
just coming back to the same issue, to your point, Brady,
that we've had with Lamar Jackson this entire time. You
don't question his scrambling ability or his mobility. It's those
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three and the ability to throw the ball and make
those throws in critical moments. And if even he is
recognizing following that game, in that AFC title game, yeah, yeah,
but all that's nice, But I need to get back
to moving around and running the ball, f throwing the ball.
If that's still the priority, maybe this is just the
best that it's going to be, and this is just
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who he is, and.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
There's nothing wrong with that, right because I think there's
a degree of he's phenomenal and that's why he's won
two MVPs because.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Of his ability to throw with his ability to run.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
However, this is still a league that protects quarterbacks from
the pocket. It's still ultimately one from the pocket, and
you have to be able to utilize your ability to scramble, escape,
run when called upon, But you can't rely on it
to the point where it changes. How if you ask
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Steve Spagnola what he probably wants him to do, Yeah,
they want to bottle up Lamar Jackson and not let
him outside the pocket, but he's also cutting the field
in half. I mean, if we're being honest with ourselves,
Lamar's ability to throw is in the same as Patrick Mahomes,
where even when he gets outside the pocket, the entire
play excuse me, the entire field is still in play.
(42:15):
We don't see Lamar Jackson make, you know, scrambling to
his right, make a cross body throw back to his left.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
That's not his game. He's gonna take off and runner.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
He's gonna find something down the middle to the right
hand side the way in which he's going, and that's
you know, Patrick mahomes superman ability. But it speaks to
a greater point of it's more difficult to stop Patrick
Mahomes because no matter where he is, the entire field
is still in play, as opposed to for Lamar Jackson.
If you do get him to scramble outside the pocket,
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he's looking to run, which is tough to stop, but
he's also going to be limited in what he's doing
throwing the football then in that spot, and that was
in essence kind of what you saw last night, where
he's throwing a football to say Flowers he's wide open
the back the end zone, and you know, whether it's
a miscommunication, that stuff happens, and and in real time
it's hard to make it all work. But I'm just
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stating the point that if you want to win a
Super Bowl, if you want to win the AFC, you.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Have to hit that throw.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, you gotta hit Isaiah likely the guy who had
his toes were too big in order for.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
The ball was too big?
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So he spoke afterwards about the final play in which
he was just out of bounds, and also apparently not
all that impressed with what Kansas City had to offer
last night.
Speaker 12 (43:37):
That's all I mean, Man, I just got it.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
I gotta get both feet in.
Speaker 12 (43:40):
I gotta i harp myself to you know, catch everything,
make sure everybody plays in the best possibility. So I'll
take responsibility next time I get my feet down. This
is probably the words game we're gonna play all year.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
So this is the best that they got.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
And good luck in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, So apparently not not sold on the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
The point we're going for a three p They frisky, man,
it's a frisky game, and I like that. Be competitive.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I mean, you.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Lost, but I can I can understand where I mean
they could have won that game. They had the opportunity
to win that game. And in fact, even after the
miss too to say likely had the opportunity to to
make that catch. So I would say this and the
(44:27):
true true, I guess feeling or essence of what competition is.
I like that you got a guys like kind of
saying that. You know, coach might be like, you might
want to hold off on that they did beat us,
you know, let's let's get some wins under our belt.
But the fact that he has a chip on his
(44:48):
shoulder and the fact that his his takeaway from the
game is that this is the worst that we're going
to play, then good living that. Living that because it
did look like a team that wonted to that did
not look like a team that will will not be competitive.
They look like they're going to be a good team
this year as well.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Are you noticing a theme though, Baltimore? We could have
won that game. The Niners in the Super Bowl could
have won that game. The Bills in the playoffs could
have won that game. Like, there's a lot of kudos
and they're all involving the Chiefs on the other side well.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
Or a or a dope ass quarterback.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
But and it's like Kansas City in close games just
wins those games.
Speaker 6 (45:28):
It mirrors what New England was all those years to.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Where like New England was always in close Super Bowls always,
but it was like when it came down to it,
you just trusted they were going to make the play
or enough place to win the game.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
So here we are.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
And again just like with with New England and then
saying with Kansas City, they have defense too. There are
other players, There are other players, but I just say,
when you get into that class where it's a class
all their own, like Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady, man,
I'm i'm I'm put my money down on them.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
Man.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
Yeah,
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrings rating win and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We are off and running in the NFL season. That
was a hell of a football game last night.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It was It was a hell of a football game.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
It was incredible kind of how it came down to
the end, only because I thought Kansas City kind of
controlled that.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Game for the most part.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
And maybe I'm on an island with that thought, but
it kind of felt like whoever had the ball last though,
was going to have a shot of winning because of
both these quarterbacks and because of how Lamar kind of
just wills his team at times to make plays and win.
But I mean, literally, maybe half a tow is what
Baltimore doesn't have a chance of going for two, and
(00:51):
you know, potentially winning in regulation looks like which I
also thought was kind of an interesting, you know spot,
and all of that was John Harrible immediately went, I
mean there was no thought about it. You could tell
they had the conversation during that final drive. If we
score here, we're going for two. Yeah, we're going to
win it right now. That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And I love that because you could tell Kansas City
was gassed, and I think the broadcasters even made the point.
You know, it was Chris Collinsworth and Mike Turco who said, man,
look at the Chris Jones and a lot of those
guys are taking a knee like they're worn down. Like
I mean, it was an impressive drive by Lamar in
company because it wasn't just like one big chunk play
(01:30):
outside of the throw to Bateman towards the end, but
he just kind of picked him apart. Like there was
throws to the sidelines. They worked the clock, they didn't
have any timeouts. They took a little bit too long
maybe getting down there and getting everybody ready to go.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
After I thought the.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Big play to Payment, yeah, they probably should have spiked it,
but but you know, again Hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
They did.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
They executed exact what they needed to with the exception
of about an inch. I mean, that was the difference
between them having a shot at legitimately winning it with
the two point conversion. The crazy thing that you bring
up about how they look gassed, Justice Hill was one
on one with Chris Jones. The final two plays that
blew my mind. I mean, by the ways it's not
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even like it's not even like it's Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's your smallest running back on the team.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
As they gat protected everything to the left. No, I
mean it was fine, it worked out, but that was
the one thing I walked away from that game going
I still can't believe they did that, Like, how did
Todd Monkin think that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
This was a good idea?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Like arguably one of the best defensive tackle, Dan Weaver,
recall him, one of the best in the league, and
he's isolated on Justice Hill at the end. It ended
up working out, Like you still got the throw off.
It's still all could have worked out in the end.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Now, I want to give you a little bit of
credit here. You gave me a sage piece of advice.
I mean that I would never actually use because it's
too late and I stopped playing and I was terrible
when I did play football in high school. But you
gave me a piece of advice. He said, Listen, if
you're a skill position guy, always wear white cleats. You
want them to blend in with the sideline. It makes
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the call more difficult. And even Patrick Mahomes made the
comment after the game. And then if you're Isaiah like
I mean, according to Lamar Jackson, he still thought it
was a He had his feet and bounds afterwards. Maybe
he hadn't seen the replay yet, but yeah, like a
quarter of an inch.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
And who knows.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Maybe we're talking about the Ravens upsetting Kansas City on
the road in a big game to.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Open up the air.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I had some buddies with the Ravens plus three, so
we were all hoping that it would fall on the
You know, you can maybe make the case that you
know he's in there. Maybe it's did you know, you know,
it's not indisputable that it's not. But to your point,
it's why when you go out on the field before
a game you check the sidelines if they're white. Usually
it helps. It helps you can throw on some white cleats.
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Then it makes a little more difficult even with the
great camera angles that we have, which mind you had
this not been a Granted it's Thursday night, but it's
the Sunday Night football crew, which that crew for NBC
has an incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Amount of cameras. And I can just tell you.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
From doing games where you're not the number one crew
in the NFL, you've got like nine cameras, maybe maybe
ten cameras. And the reason why that matters is you're
not going to get the angle that became conclusive evidence
for the officials that.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Isaiah likely was out of bounce. And so unless you're.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
In one of these primetime crews, so like the Number
one for Fox, Tom Brady and Kevin Burkhard, or Treykman
and Joe Buck or Chris Collins with Mike Trico.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You might not have gotten the angle.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
You might not have gotten the ability to go see
it that close and be able to tell the difference,
and that call may have stood. We may have been
going on to a two point conversion. That's oftentimes the
difference when you're in TV of seeing the difference between
winning and losing sometimes these controversial plays.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So the play that also people are talking about is
the missed opportunity to say flowers in the end zone
Lamar Jackson one play before that throat Isaiah likely which
by the way, I thought Isaiah likely had broken his collarbone,
and then next time is making that play right back.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yet it filled a little NBA ish, I'll be honest,
it's a.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Little bit like who was it? Paul Pierce? He got
he had taken off in the wheelchair they craft.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Himself, and then you know, had a little bit of an.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I thought he heard his shoulder, elbow or something that
he took off the wheelchair was like I think it
was like a scar tissue popped in his knee, and
so he freaked out.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But then like one of the rumors out there was
that he had an accident in his pants, you know,
a little, a little, you know, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Not sure why it always has to go there was.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I swear to god, I'm not making that up. That's
a real story. But the only person craps their pants
on this show is probably and that also is a
fair point. But I will say this, Lamar Jackson did
talk afterwards about the missed opportunity to say flowers, and
maybe that's not really the part of.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
This that we should be discussing.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Playing before the flowers, did that bucking tipped out of
your hand or was that just just misfiring.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
I'm actually it was I went scrambled.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I seen Chris Jones was on Justice Hill.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
Justice Hill was blocking Chris Jones, So I was trying
to help Justice out and I tried to get out
of the pocket and I seen Bateman like flying across.
I'm thinking, bait me gonna stop, and Adam throwing the
ball I see is a flying cross.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
That wasn't intended for uh uh they flowers. So yeah,
I was.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I was.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
I was teed off about that because I'm like, if
I had held onto a little bit more, I'll have
just fired. You didn't see it until the very Yeah,
Like when I threw the ball, I seen him.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I'm like, like.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I want to say something other I'm like, damn, okay
as a quarterback, does that add up?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Trying to throw it away? Is that what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
It's hard because there's it seems like there's a visual
component that you can't see there.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So I think his thought was that it was supposed
to go to Bateman and that Bateman I guess maybe
stopped running that.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
That was my take. What maybe there was a throwaway there,
Like it just it.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Seemed because he us he brought up the Justice Hill part,
which again I just I don't know how that happens.
I mean, if you're Patrick mccari at right tackle, I
don't care what, Like game's on the line, and like
they're having you turn left just to slides like, no,
I'm probably gonna go on Chris Jones. Like that was
one of the things that blew my mind because, you know,
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coming from college my last two years with Charlie Weiss,
like he didn't over complicate pass protections. It's like, hey, guys,
we want our good guys, our big offensive linemen on
their big guys. All right, big on big, it's not complicated.
I don't care where they're standing. Go point to them
like that's your guy. If you're a right tackle, you're
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not turning away or turning down blocking Chris Jones. You're
gonna go out and set and block them. I don't
care what the rest of the offensive line is doing
because of their responsibilities on the other side. You go
take that guy. Don't put our running back on a
d end de tackle. It's just big on big, it's
not that complicated. So I'm again more focusing on that
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because could have made a difference, and maybe he has
more time to make that throw or to seize flowers.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I mean, it's it's like both times he dropped back,
he had to set the pocket and then basically run
up because he knew eventually Chris Jones in quick fashion
is probably gonna be able to be Justice Hill. So
it was a credit to Lamar Jackson is getting the
ball off on both occasions.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But it's still crazy to me that they let that happen.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And I think it ultimately played an impact on what
those two you know, those two throws looked like.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Yeah, it was. It was a hell of a conclusion
of the game. I did.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Also, we got a gripe, though, can we admit that
there's a gripe?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, what's the grip? I mean, I understand this points
of emphasis. I get it with the officials, but the
second play of the game to call a penalty was
ted hockey.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I mean, come on, dude, like give a warning, first.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Name guy, but you can't right out the gate, sit
there and say a legal formation because of where he's at. Like,
I get it, I sit through where I hear the
officials say, these are the things we're gonna harp on.
You didn't call it like that. I mean, at one point,
Ronnie Stanley was ahead of the left guard and I'm
looking down.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Going doesn't even look right.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I mean he's literally in front of the left guard,
like at this point you might you could probably call
it ampenally in the left guard not be on the
line of scrimmage and say legal formation. It was so
ridiculous the point of emphasis they made that it took
away from the beginning of the game a bit, and
I don't I don't really understand why they have to
make that big of an issue with it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That was gonna be, Uh, that's how you know we've
been doing this way too long. That was gonna be
the next part of this that I wanted to get into,
because you did learn real quick in the season. Yeah,
that's what has been harped on, like they've been pounding
it into the officials heads the entire offseason. Hey, this
is what we're looking at this year. This is this
is the conversation we need to start having. The way
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Collinsworth made it seem was like there was a warning
before they made the first call.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So it was a second play.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Right, So the first play, the first first play was
the warning. Second play through the flag and then I
think what he got two more after that. I think
there were two more flags after that.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
The bad one was Baban at one point, like dot
the stretch with Baban wasn't. It's like you're a wide receiver, dude,
you're out wide. Just go look at the sideline.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Judge John Harbaugh spoke afterwards about just the call and
is hoping that we see the same thing throughout the
course of the season.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Any put the thing out that they said they were
gonna call that, uh differently, I think understanding how differently
we were the first offensive series of the season with that,
and I think they saw probably everybody watching it. It'd
be interesting to see if they call it the same
way the whole season. And I'll challenge him to call
it the same way to call it tonight the whole season.
So hopefully they'll be consistent about that.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Is no way they call it like that, right.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I Mean, here's the thing is, usually in the preseason
they set an emphasis in like one or two of
the first games, and that kind of sets the tone
of like how much they're gonna call it. And I
know a lot of times it's guys who aren't gonna
make the roster, guys who are on starters. But the
point is it's a point of emphasis and everyone takes note.
They're like, oh, this this is how this is gonna
look you know. Oh, and usually you don't see it
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on display like that in the very first game of
the season because no one wants to see all the
laundry out of the field.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
So I kind of sit back and just go like,
come on, Roger, get them.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Under control, like this is way too much, way too
much for the opening game of the season. And honestly,
it wasn't that egregious, Like they kept kind of going
back and showing it. Typically, if your helmet is on
the butt of the center, they usually let it slide
and now it's like, all right, like this his helmet was.
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I mean, it looked to me at times that Ronnie
Stanley was actually ahead of the left guard on the
lot of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, and you saw John Harbaugh kind of mouth to
whoever it was like, just tell Ronnie to move up,
Like he was just frustrated at that point. He just said,
they're just going to continue to call this. It's ridiculous.
Just tell them to move up.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Now. It was last year.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Wasn't it the opening game last year where Juwan Taylor
was the guy who kept getting away with it? I
think that's the opener last year. And so it was
it was egregious off.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
So it's funny to me like that Kansas City didn't
get called once, right, not once.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
They get called it and they're like, uh, But there's
already people out there who think Kansas City gets all
the calls and they get all the breaks and everything's
in their favor.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
There's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So now I think there was kind of a felt
like a little bit of a phantom holding call on
one particular drive.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, there's some stuff out there. There's a little
bit of fire with the smoke that that people are
talking about. And so if you factor in last year
Juwan Taylor not getting called at all, I just wonder, maybe,
to John Harbrough's point, whoever was going to get the
ball first, they were going to be made the example of,
Like I wonder if that was maybe the thought of
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the officiating crew and that's how they wanted to handle this.
But to come a year later and see Juwan Taylor
who was way off the line, which is really what
started this whole thing. And then Baltimore gets the ball
to start off the season at Kansas City and then
they get dinged like three times in like thirty eight seconds. Yeah,
a little bit problematic, little annoying as well too, And
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so we were off and running with the NFL season.
But it was fun game, man, fun as hell. And
you know the best part too, if you did have Baltimore,
like maybe you and some of your buddies, maybe somebody
known as the meat Wagon did.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Plus the three.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, even if they missed the two point conversion, we
were sitting pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
That's actually why we were celebrating at the end. Oh yeah,
because well you're good man, they're going for you're good. Like,
we didn't have to worry about overtime. There was nothing
to worry about. I did tell him to play the
over which it ended up. We saw it at forty
six forty six and a half, so it would have
hit that or did hit that, but he didn't want
to play that. He doesn't like played over unders. It's
more about spreads for him.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, listen, we are going to have all sorts of
football conversation on this show here. Because I don't know
if you know this or not, and it is important
to point this out. There's a lot of people that like,
tell us, well, it's the off season, why you doing this.
Oh well, I mean it's disrespectful to the NBA. Oh
what about the Olympics. Well, guess what, it's a football Friday.
That's right, and this time that's right.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It counts.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah yeah actually here, yeah, it's actually yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Oh screw your peacock way. Didn't peacocks steal the song?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah they did, Yeah they did. They stole from us?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Oh right yeah, I see Sam Flood Yeah still the music, Sam, Yeah, they.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Go, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, come on, come on, Lee, come on, Hey, where's LeVar?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Where's there?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
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Speaker 6 (15:04):
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Speaker 3 (15:09):
All right, yeah, come on, we're doing.
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Speaker 3 (15:16):
Come on, man.
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Speaker 3 (16:10):
So we have some.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Music that I think is appropriate for what we're about
to discuss here, because it was very obvious last night,
and ladies and gentlemen, it was a hell of a
run it. It was something that we all, we all
needed to try and get our football fix. But Rady Quoin,
would you like to say a couple of words.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
You know, growing up and learning to love the game
of football, I always felt like it was just the
fitting part of how the game began, the kickoff. It
was always so beautiful seeing young men helmets strapped on
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as a printed down the field into imminent danger. And
on the other side the receiving end, those brave souls
who stood back watching these men run towards them, knowing
they had to do their best to stop them. And
(17:21):
one fearless ball carrier who is gonna have to run
and try to at least avoid one, if not two,
maybe three, maybe four or five if you're a Devin Hester,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm gonna miss it. I'm gonna miss the kickoff a lot.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Yeah, Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And listen, there's people, and I think, look, if you
want to talk about the people that can't accept the
fact that the NFL is sanctioned violence and wanted to
make a bunch of adjustments.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
And I get some of them.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I understand, you know, health and safety, like it's paramount.
I get all that, but at a certain point you've
got to accept the reality of what it is you're
dealing with here, and they wanted to make some changes,
and unfortunately they've got the kickoff's blood all over their hands.
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And now it's gone because whatever the hell that was
last night sucked beyond belief. And I thought, well, maybe
it's just the preseason. At least it'll be a different
look once we get to the regular season. Nope, they're
just kicking it out of bounds. And when you're kicking
it out of bounds and guys are just running up
to each other and it looks like you're going through
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you know, team practice in a hotel room because the
weather's bad outside and nobody's actually making contact with each other.
It's just a waste of time. I'm just can we
get back to normal? Like, can we get put like
or at this point this is.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Going to get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
This is the contrast when you go to a high
school game tonight or watch college football, it's like they
decided not to change it. Why was the NFL so
hell bien other safety of the game stop? Like what
have you honestly really cared about the safety of the game. Yeah,
(19:13):
I mean I know we want to like act like
the NFL because they put in these different safety measures
and it's all for liability and so they won't get
a lossuit. Let's just call it what it is. And
so we now put a rule in where it looks
awful to begin with. It's just the weirdest, most awkward
and look, everybody watched the preseason kind of felt it too,
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But on that stage week one, it was like, yeah,
this really was a bad idea. And now you even
have kickers. I think there's somebody even trying to kick it.
To make the guys return the football and they can't
even do it. It's just there was eleven kickoffs last night. Eleven,
you know, nine were touchbacks.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You got two returns. That's it.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
You know, it's so appropriate too about it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The first we saw of it was at the Hall
of Fame game in Canton with Devin Hester, the greatest
returner of all time, being inducted into the Hall.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Of Fame, and he had to watch that garbage.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And then last night you've got John Harbaugh, special teams
guy before he got a head coaching job, and Dave Tobe,
the guy who was Devon Hester's special teams coach in Chicago,
who's the special teams coordinator in Kansas City now, and
they've got to be subjected to that garbage, that crap
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in a bag that the NFL's rolled out because people
are too scared of the fact that there's violence in football.
Just disgusting, man. And I don't know what's going to
happen next. I mean, what do you do now? I mean,
what's the solution? Got to come up with some solutions.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Well, here's part of the issue that the NFL is
they don't like going back on something they do. So,
you know, I would say the quick solution would be
just go back to the normal way of doing a
kickoff and realize that, like there's some plays that are
not going to be sick. I mean third and one,
fourth and one. When you bring in a full back
and there's it's an ISO that full back and that
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depending on the type of ISO weak side linebackers, strong
side libeer made, it's the middle linebacker. They should be
on a collision course to be sprinting from about ten
yards apart, then smash one on one another, all on
an effort to try to stop the guy who's behind
the full back running for the first down? Is that
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a safe play?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Like?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Are we going to measure everything by concussion percent?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Is that how we're going to do this in football?
We don't do it in UFC? Right? Do we do
it another? You know? Fighting sports?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Of course not. We understand there's inherent risk and danger.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I think football players do too, and so I just
if we go back to what we had before, just
moving back. If you want more kickoffs, and if you
don't want more kickoffs, then just keep whatever goofy rule.
This is why college in high school foc football make
you look like idiots.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The brotherly shove is still a loud correct least lest
I check that. There's a lot going on there as
well too, Like you guys are getting showed up on
the inside and it just I don't know, man, it sucks.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
And and just to have.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That on full display to your point last night, for
everybody to see, Hey, what's this new and what what's
the terminology? They're calling it the dynamic kickoff? Like it's dynamic,
it's the dynamic kickoff. It's like, come on, dude, like
you can. You can pretty this thing up all you want.
It's crap in a bag that you opened up and
serve to everybody and told them to smile and like
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it because this is just the way it's going to
be nowadays. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. So yeah, if you're in
a high school football game tonight, to your point, tip
your cap. Tip your cap to the real ones out
there that are still lighting people up and get and
doing so after a running start to try and start
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a game.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Awful.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, that being said, let's transition over to something that
also could be awful. That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers
in their quarterback situation because apparently this whole calf issue
that Russell Wilson had, you know, this little la whatever,
it's just, you know, we're just taking precaution. Like he's older,
you know, don't worry about it. It's his starting job.
Everything's going to be fine. Apparently he's still got the
(23:22):
issue with the calf and it barked on him again
maybe this week in practice, but with the season right
around the corner coming up in a couple of days,
Mike Tomlin spoke about his.
Speaker 11 (23:32):
Starting quarterback Russ Wilson was a limited participant today. His
calf got tight, so we wanted to exercise some precaution.
We'll see what tomorrow looks like and kind of go
from there.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Questions, but what are any long term concerns about Russ's calf?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
None?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Why did he report to Clayton's.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
He was a limited participants training game?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (23:54):
How much does that impact game planning for Sunday?
Speaker 11 (23:57):
It really doesn't at all, to be honest with you,
does he have.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
To go get a look at or examine might look?
Speaker 11 (24:02):
We probably will, just to exercise an abundance of precaution,
Like what's your opinion.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Adjustment ready mission excitement might have to go to him.
Speaker 11 (24:11):
I'm extremely comfortable if that is the case.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Certainly we're talking about a month, right, this has been
going on a month.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, I guess it happened while they're doing a conditioning
test and he had popped in doing a sled pole,
which I mean calls in the question you know, certain
training and when you're doing that training. But that's not
the point. I was dead wrong. You know, yesterday we
I think we did it. Was it over under or whatever?
You know, bet we might have pulled out about whether
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or not justin fields would start a game.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
This is feeling very very close to like Russell Wilson almost.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I don't know if it's like coasting through this year
or how do you describe it, But you're in a
new offense, you know, different play caller, different guys you're
throwing to. And he's been limited offt throughout camp and
into now their Week one preparation. I mean, I'd love
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to know behind the scenes how many reps has he
actually taken and depending on how this looks, because the
preseason didn't look great when he had gotten in and
I know they have offensive line issues, but if he's
not mobile and can't run. That takes away a huge
element of his game. So I'm starting to kind of
slowly walk back and I almost walk back what I
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said yesterday. Field is gonna start some games this year.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Russell Wilson's what thirty five, thirty six this year?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, I mean he's getting up there in age where
like little things like this start.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
To become nagging where you go, well, when is he
ever gonna be healthy?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Then?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Is this gonna be that they're on the injury report
every single week this season? If that's the case, Like,
I don't know that anyone's gonna have to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And I kind of feel bad for him because I
think it became a punchline in Denver when things went
so poorly, because all of a sudden started to get
all these stories about, well, he's a diva, he needed
his own office. He's got, you know, the giant house
with four bedrooms and triple the craft closets. He's got,
you know, his own parking spot, he's got, like you
(26:13):
just started to hear all these and everybody like it.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Was open season.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Sean Payton got there and just sort of called him
out publicly last year to see the way and and
now here he is with an opportunity to go to
Pittsburgh for pennies for the Steeler's sake, and we're not
even to the season yet, and he's got like a
nagging injury and a nagging issue that that that has
popped up, and I just wonder, you know, maybe this
is a long term discussion better served for another day.
(26:39):
Like you know, is have we seen Are we starting
to see the decline of a guy that was arguably
a Hall of Fame quarterback just three years ago? I
mean three years ago, like nobody would would dispute the
fact this guy's going to be a Hall of Famer.
And nowadays we're talking about all the stuff that went
on in Denver. Now's now he's in Habsburg.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I don't know we're starting to see the decline. I
think we're already there.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I mean, if this year goes as bad as it
feels like it might go, I mean we're already there
at this point. I mean, from the end of Seattle
into Denver and what that first year looked like, and yeah,
last year was better, but man, I just I think
we're we're almost admitted like.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
We're already there.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
If this season, if this season goes south quick, this
could be it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
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Speaker 3 (27:30):
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Speaker 6 (27:35):
LeVar, are you annimal?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
What mean? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
We don't need no cherry red pop and lock.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
That's right? This song my song?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Oh, we thought it was yours.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
This is yours? Brady, No, all right? I mean I
like it, like if I swear I can't wait, like
I like this cute.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Like if you gave me a list of one hundred songs.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Especially look, especially after getting that breaking news earlier in
the show. I mean, I get it. I can't wait.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
I mean you can get it. Wow, the drive for
five is real.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Baby, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Tang Who is that?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
By the way?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Who sings that?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Is it? New shoots?
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I mean is that right ly? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:34):
New new shoots, new shoots, or new shoes, new shoes,
new shoes, Yeah, new shoes, new shoes, new shoes.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I don't even know what I'm talking about with.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
The z new shoes. I mean the Silvar song should
be asking him.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
You know that's a nice song. I do know that song.
That's that definitely was growing up on that song. I
remember days listening.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
To It's more the b the very beginning.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
That's hot definitely, which, by the way, that's more of
like Jonas's wheelhouse.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
He always play back to that.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Not true. I'm more of a depeche Mode. Give me
depeche Mode, Lauri.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Couldn't you imagine Jonas and his black leather jacket that
he's had pretty much since the nineteen eighties in a
Iraq T top camaro with one of those giant eagles
on the hood, be popping.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Just play the beginning of the Socket.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
If you could let me just the beginning be heard again,
let me hear it again.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Could you hear at the beginning that I hear it again?
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Yeah, let's hear some new shoes news.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
But you can do it. You gotta do it.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Old I give us.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
So we're efforting here, all right, We've got some new
shoes coming your way here, uh from the.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Some Burt Reynolds action.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Can you imagine this?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Jonas pulls up, Yeah, Pops, the top's already popped off.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Yeah, he just opens the door, opens the door.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
He's got all.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Jeans with with that black leather jacket with holes in it.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, and it just it just sits on the hood,
you know.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
He just sits there, drops his chin down.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
With toothpick in his mouth, roll the window.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
You're already already out of the car, all right out
in the car. And he takes.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Us take it. We're talking about you, Bud.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
All right. I was gonna give the uh the commentary.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
He takes his sunglasses off, and then Brady Quinn comes
walking around the back of the car and stands next
to him with his leather jacket on and his sunglasses.
Then he takes his glasses off, and then he drops
his chin and he looks down as well, and then
the photo shoot starts.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, Bawn, and then we just say, anybody with the
last name Lopez come with us, and they just roll
on out.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
That works, That's how it works.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
But but that car that you're in is only a
two seater, I believe that's the point. Yeah, okay, baby.
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Speaker 6 (31:13):
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Speaker 2 (31:16):
By the way, Lee, I really will send over my
song request today I meet at this time, I'm messing around,
can't wait, not far around the.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Well done, no pun intended? All right, all right?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So the NFL season is underway. We had game one
last night, bar We had the technical difficulties to start
off the show. But you thought your takeaway after you
and I picked the Kansas City Chiefs minus three, Never
in doubt, Never in doubt.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
No, it wasn't. I was pretty I was pretty confident
that they would cover that. You know what my takeaway
from the game fellas was this Kansas City Chiefs team
has now established an inner culture that is just very
business like. You know, say what you want to say
about Kelsey and what he's got going on. You know,
(32:05):
he's got a lot of things outside of football going on.
Say what you want to say about all of the
things that Patrick Mahomes has with all of the you know,
commercial shoots and stuff like that. He's very a public
figure as well. There doesn't seem to be any distractions
to their preparation and how they approach what their business is.
(32:28):
I'll say that that's what I took away. Another takeaway
was there's now an understanding and an expectation that if
you're considered to be that next guy up, then be
that next guy up. It's like, if you're going to
replace a linebacker in Pittsburgh, then you had better come
with the same exactly. It's so crazy that they're all
(32:50):
the same people, Like from Greg Lloyd to James Harrison
you know, to you you name, they're all the same people.
And I think that that's what's developing in Kansas City.
The receiver's position. It's like they may look different, but
it's like the same person. They're going to bring an
(33:10):
element to the table that is explosive, that is exciting,
and you like to see it. And that's what I
think we saw out of the rookie last evening. I
mean so much so where you know, you got Tarik
Hill chiming in on social media about how good he
looked and how fast he looked out there. I just
(33:32):
think this Kansas City Chiefs team knows how to go
about their business. It's very workmen like and it's interesting
because it's not as maybe it doesn't seem like it
would be as buttoned up as when we saw the
dominant run by the Patriots, even though you had some
(33:53):
really interesting personalities on that team, with like guys like
Ty Law interesting personality, Lawyer malloy interesting personality. Uh, Kevin Folk.
Uh is it Kevin? Yeah? I believe it's Kevin Kevin
Folk the running back of interesting personality like uh, big McGinnis,
(34:14):
Willie mcginni's big personality. But you didn't see them like
as they're nowhere near even with Brady. They weren't what
big Willie and strong and gonna get friction on baby
got Willie. So anyway, none of those guys on that
(34:38):
Patriots team were as media public or or not media public,
but like commercially public, Like who was really commercially out
there from that Patriots team. And yet you have Kelsey
and and you have Mahomes that are like literally the
(34:59):
they're the faces of the NFL in terms of marketing
and branding and commercials and all these different brands, and
it has had no impact on their ability to achieve.
I think give Andy Reid a ton of credit for
being able to be the facilitator as the head coach
(35:20):
to have this team be able to stay as focused
as they do with all of the noise going around them.
Give Spagnola. I don't think Spags gets the credit that
he's deserving of for the job that he does as
a defensive coordinator. If you take Spags away, this team
(35:42):
isn't the team that it is.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Spags is even calling timeouts now.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Bro, the dude is the man. Bro, And you want
to talk about somebody who comes out with schemes and
listen the Baltimore offense. I mean Lamar Jackson had a night.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, I mean he.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Had a hell of a night. We had a career night.
But some way, somehow, this dude figures out how to
offset what these dudes do. And listen, they're a total
tape away from me being able to say or having
to say that wasn't the case because they pulled it out.
But that game was was a well played game. The
(36:20):
defense did what they needed to do. Like, regardless of
what people may say or have opinion wise, I just
think that it's a well rounded team and it looks
like they have the potential to be one hundred percent,
not a little percent. They have a potential to be
one hundred percent better than what they have been in
(36:41):
the past, and that was my takeaway. I think they're
a dangerous team. I think they're a scary team to
look at this year.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah, I think even when you consider there was no
Hollywood Brown. You know, we can talk about Xavier Worthy
as a rookie first game, made some big plays and
touches when called upon. But what stood out to me
was they still have another element of their offense.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
That was not even introduced.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So that's the scary thing.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
And I think to your point, LeVar, like the consistency
of the Kansas City Chiefs with all the other things
that are happening around them, it is remarkable.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It truly is remarkable, and it's a credit to.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
All involve the front office, the coaching staff, the players,
et cetera. But I thought last night's game was more
about Baltimore, and it was more about Baltimore for this
reason because you know, look the outcome of that game.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I'm not gonna say it doesn't matter. It matters for
you know, those of you who.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Are betting, and it could matter for the number one
overall seed in the AFC. Remember, Baltimore had the best
record last season and that's why they hosted Kansas City
in the AFC Championship Game, So it's it could be
significant in that respect, but I think we both know
that both these teams are playoff teams.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
At least in my opinion, Baltimore is they're good to
Baltimore team.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
But this was a line in the sand kind of
moment for me and watching Patrick Mahomes who kind of
like effortlessly just finds ways of completing balls and doesn't
leave the pocket until he has to, where when he
has to make a play, he makes a play. And
when you compare that to Lamar Jackson and you look
(38:21):
at the fact that he is a two time MVP,
it's it's a Foegne conclusion. They're gonna win enough games
to get into the playoffs, but then it becomes about
what can you do once you get in the playoffs
and then and this is like the same conversation that
I think people have about Josh Allen. The only difference
is it feels like in the moments with Buffalo and
Josh Allen is like Josh Allen's made enough plays where
(38:44):
it's just they didn't have the ball last And it
felt like at times like where they've gotten beat by
the Chiefs. In this case, you know they Lamar had
the ball. Last you know, he said the AFC Championship
game was about his legs. If his legs were healthy,
it would have been a different story. Well it didn't
work out then and then last night. There's just moments
in times when he misses throws. You know, he can
(39:05):
say whatever he wants about Rashan Bateman, he thought he
was gonna sit more in the zone coverage that's where
the throw is going, or however you want to.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Dice it up.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
There's throws that he leaves out on the field often often,
and that is the one thing about his game that
has to improve if he's gonna be able to get
to a super Bowl, win a super Bowl and change
the narrative like that, that's just the truth. What's that
(39:34):
like the flowers myth? I mean, like like that's a
throw that when you're going against the best in Patrick
Mahomes of Kansas City, he hits ten times out of
ten he hits that.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And that's where if you're.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
If you're in the AFC, if you're if you want
to win a super Bowl right now in the NFL,
you can't miss that throw. You can't miss making that play.
And that's and that's just the that's the margin of air,
the margin of difference. And that's why I said, when
you draw a line, there's Patrick Mahomes and there's everyone
else right now in the NFL that has how this
(40:07):
league is operating.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
So you bring up the Lamar Jackson stuff, and you
tell me if I'm overreacting to this, but this seems
a little bit problematic to me.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
He spoke with the Washington Post.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
This is before last night's game, and he said the
following about the AFC title game. This again from Lamar Jackson, quote,
how I'm feeling right now. I wish I was feeling
like this body wise in the AFC title game, we
would have won that game. I would have been able
to move around for my guys. With me just hurting
and can't move. I know, if my legs were good,
we would have won that game. We wouldn't have even
(40:38):
had to throw the ball. F throwing the ball well, like,
if that's why the decision was made to lose all
this weight to become faster and all that, like, if
he still isn't focusing on throwing the ball. Aren't we
just coming back to the same issue, to your point, Brady,
that we've had with Lamar Jackson this entire time. You
don't question his scrambling ability or his mobility. It's those
(40:59):
three and the ability to throw the ball and make
those throws in critical moments. And if even he is
recognizing following that game, in that AFC title game, yeah, yeah,
but all that's nice, But I need to get back
to moving around and running the ball, f throwing the ball.
If that's still the priority, maybe this is just the
best that it's going to be, and this is just
(41:20):
who he is, and.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
There's nothing wrong with that, right because I think there's
a degree of he's phenomenal and that's why he's won
two MVPs because.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Of his ability to throw with his ability to run.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
However, this is still a league that protects quarterbacks from
the pocket. It's still ultimately one from the pocket, and
you have to be able to utilize your ability to scramble, escape,
run when called upon, But you can't rely on it
to the point where it changes. How if you ask
(41:55):
Steve Spagnola what he probably wants him to do, Yeah,
they want to bottle up Lamar Jackson and not let
him outside the pocket, but he's also cutting the field
in half. I mean, if we're being honest with ourselves,
Lamar's ability to throw is in the same as Patrick Mahomes,
where even when he gets outside the pocket, the entire
play excuse me, the entire field is still in play.
(42:15):
We don't see Lamar Jackson make, you know, scrambling to
his right, make a cross body throw back to his left.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
That's not his game. He's gonna take off and runner.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
He's gonna find something down the middle to the right
hand side the way in which he's going, and that's
you know, Patrick mahomes superman ability. But it speaks to
a greater point of it's more difficult to stop Patrick
Mahomes because no matter where he is, the entire field
is still in play, as opposed to for Lamar Jackson.
If you do get him to scramble outside the pocket,
(42:46):
he's looking to run, which is tough to stop, but
he's also going to be limited in what he's doing
throwing the football then in that spot, and that was
in essence kind of what you saw last night, where
he's throwing a football to say Flowers he's wide open
the back the end zone, and you know, whether it's
a miscommunication, that stuff happens, and and in real time
it's hard to make it all work. But I'm just
(43:07):
stating the point that if you want to win a
Super Bowl, if you want to win the AFC, you.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Have to hit that throw.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, you gotta hit Isaiah likely the guy who had
his toes were too big in order for.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
The ball was too big?
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So he spoke afterwards about the final play in which
he was just out of bounds, and also apparently not
all that impressed with what Kansas City had to offer
last night.
Speaker 12 (43:37):
That's all I mean, Man, I just got it.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
I gotta get both feet in.
Speaker 12 (43:40):
I gotta i harp myself to you know, catch everything,
make sure everybody plays in the best possibility. So I'll
take responsibility next time I get my feet down. This
is probably the words game we're gonna play all year.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
So this is the best that they got.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
And good luck in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, So apparently not not sold on the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
The point we're going for a three p They frisky, man,
it's a frisky game, and I like that. Be competitive.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I mean, you.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Lost, but I can I can understand where I mean
they could have won that game. They had the opportunity
to win that game. And in fact, even after the
miss too to say likely had the opportunity to to
make that catch. So I would say this and the
(44:27):
true true, I guess feeling or essence of what competition is.
I like that you got a guys like kind of
saying that. You know, coach might be like, you might
want to hold off on that they did beat us,
you know, let's let's get some wins under our belt.
But the fact that he has a chip on his
(44:48):
shoulder and the fact that his his takeaway from the
game is that this is the worst that we're going
to play, then good living that. Living that because it
did look like a team that wonted to that did
not look like a team that will will not be competitive.
They look like they're going to be a good team
this year as well.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Are you noticing a theme though, Baltimore? We could have
won that game. The Niners in the Super Bowl could
have won that game. The Bills in the playoffs could
have won that game. Like, there's a lot of kudos
and they're all involving the Chiefs on the other side well.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
Or a or a dope ass quarterback.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
But and it's like Kansas City in close games just
wins those games.
Speaker 6 (45:28):
It mirrors what New England was all those years to.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Where like New England was always in close Super Bowls always,
but it was like when it came down to it,
you just trusted they were going to make the play
or enough place to win the game.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
So here we are.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
And again just like with with New England and then
saying with Kansas City, they have defense too. There are
other players, There are other players, but I just say,
when you get into that class where it's a class
all their own, like Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady, man,
I'm i'm I'm put my money down on them.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
Man.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
Yeah,
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