September 9, 2024 • 36 mins
Caleb Williams escapes with a win despite a lackluster start. Notre Dame suffers a historic loss that keeps Brady up at night. Plus, Jordan Love’s injury makes it on the “FSR IR.”
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started playing that song and we we wash pit, we
wash pitted. We we got every ounce of every bit
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of any pent up anything. I got like a little
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were in there like throwing down like we.
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Bro. We was mashing.
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were done, Bro, And it felt so good, like everybody
was breathing all heart and stuff like that, Like everybody
was just like totally amped up, and it just was
such a release, felt really good.
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Speaker 7 (02:32):
All right, So we had some rookie quarterbacks making their
debut in the NFL yesterday and uh oh, listen none
of them looked all that hot, all right, they didn't
look all that great.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
Oh say, can you see?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Oh, but I'll do better.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
So uh Caleb Williams first up, nails were painted. They
know had that had stuff designed, and the offense went
out there. And what's great about the Bears is that,
for I don't know five decades, it's been kind of
the same recipe. Yeah, suspect offense, but damn they've got
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a defense like they figure it out almost every single year,
special teams defense. And they were losing that game. They
were getting wiped out in that game. They got some
help from will Levis, who threw an awful pick six,
but no offensive touchdowns. There was an opportunity to Keenan
Allen to score. He dropped it in his first game
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as a Bear, and away we go with the Caleb
Williams era in Chicago. Would you like to hear a
little bit from Caleb Williams though, yes, of course, all right,
So no word as to whether or not he had
the nail Paulish removed at all.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
It was still there, was it? All right? Yeah, don't
judge him, don't judge him.
Speaker 9 (03:52):
Well, here he was after the game, we didn't perform
how we wanted to. We want to be the most
efficient team out there. You know, myself included, didn't perform
in the way that I wanted to. I missed a
few passes that I normally don't miss all of his
other things, and so I think there's small things that
always lead up to big things to make games.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
A lot closer. It's great to get this first win.
Speaker 9 (04:12):
You know, we're all excited to win, into the locker
room celebrate. I sat down and enjoyed the moment and
just watching all the guys celebrate, understand that I need
to be better.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I will be better, and then, uh.
Speaker 9 (04:21):
You know, you know, just taking in the first win,
it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
One to oh one's handled bears the Bears it well, yeah,
I mean, here's the reality.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Remember how good CJ. Stroud was last year?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, all right?
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Does anyone remember how he played versus Baltimore Week one?
Not great and not great. I don't didn't throw a touchdout,
I didn't turn it over, was sacked five times and
get a lot of pressure on him. It wasn't one
of his best games. In fact, I would say, outside
of their lost to Carolina, which probably was the worst
game he played last season, you know, and maybe the Jets.
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I think he you know, played a little bit in
that Week thirteen game where he struggled. That was one
of his lesser games. And so even though you have
this player that played arguably the best rookie season, I
would say some have said since Dan Marino, like that's
how good CJ. Stroud looked. Like it's been that long
since Dan Maria, since we've seen a rookie as a
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quarterback come into the league and play the way that CJ.
Stroud did just a year ago. So that was the
expectation to Caleb Williams, or that was the expectation for
Bo Nix or Jayden Daniels. It was gonna be rough.
And I think you look, for example, at a team
like the New England Patriots, who none of us predicted
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to win this past week's game. They go out and
they find a way of winning with Jacoby Brissett, and
we'll I'm sure touch on that when we get.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
To it would anyone predict that?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Well? And here we are. So but here's why. Because
it's still a league where there's going to be a
learning curve for all these quarterbacks, the speed is ramped up,
those windows are closing even faster. They are now able
to see some of what your weaknesses are just from
watching the preseason film, and you better believe they're game
planning for you and around it. And it's your job
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not only to get a better sense of how to
execute within your offense, but deal with the defenses that
you're seeing, And it's hard to deal with those defenses
everything they're giving you while you're still trying to get
down the timing and rhythm of the offense you're playing
with them. And just even how much that game plan
changes from whatever Caleb Williams had for the Tennessee Titans
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this week, it should be at least forty percent different,
fifty percent different than what they're doing next week. Like
that's how drastic the game plan should change on a
week to week basis in the NFL, because it's so
much matchup based that goes for your offensive line obviously
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your wide receivers, running backs, tight ends, etc. Into passing game,
but also in the running game as far as your
mismatch that you get up front or the different tweaks
that you've got on running plays where you feel like
you can get to edges and you can exploit some
of the weaknesses you see on their defense. So that's
the hard part for quarterbacks, and it's kind of why
we've got this trend of hey, by year three, we
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really want to evaluate these guys. Well, it's like he
had a perfect scenario, like a year three where they've
played year one, year two into year three. Because you're one,
you're just trying to learn your stuff. You two, you're
trying to learn what the defense is always presenting you.
And year three, you put all together, you show out
that that's a perfect scenario. A lot of these rookies
don't get them any games anymore, and that's the difficulty
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in evaluating them. We tend to rush to judgment and
hopefully people don't be patient and give these guys some time.
But it was ugly football for a lot of these
rookies in the first start.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It was ugly, But you know what, it was ugly
for a lot of quarterbacks. You just mentioned Cincinnati, Joe Burrow.
I don't think any of us would sit there and
say we thought Joe Burrow would would have the type
of game that he.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Had do you know how happy I was the Browns
lost because I like our parlay party that we picked
on Friday, Like I had Bengals money line and like
you guys were busting my balls, like, oh, the biggest favorite,
and I'm thinking, man, if I would have been the
only one to lose our parlay for us because of
the damn Bengals and then Brady's Browns.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Came, that was the only way we lost it.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
No, well, the Browns lost too, So that's say, did
I that was that?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Who I took it?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
He took the Browns, he took the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Bar got it.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
We don't like to make things about me, but let's
let me go back to my original point, right, how
did you.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Pick Minnesota versus the Giants?
Speaker 7 (08:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I was trying to give people one that wasn't an
obvious too, you know what I mean, like that one
that much. By the way, that was one of the
more exciting games of the weekend. By the way, the
game in South Polo, I mean, did they give them
a show or what I'll say this, I mean he
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might have left more than that there. You know, who knows, man,
But he did leave. He did leave that. I mean,
you know, Q is the authority on that right now.
So everyone out there listening to that, that was one
Brady q quinn that gave you that right there, that
pit pit a bit of information. That's what I was
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going for.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Anyway, Joe Burrow's numbers were pedestrian as well, right, So
I don't think anyone's going to sit there and be like,
oh my gosh, Joe, like how I did you know
Deshaun Watson because his numbers weren't good. But if I'm
looking at Joe Burrow and I'm like, first week, one
hundred and sixty four yards, no touchdowns, I'm not in
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there saying that, Okay, well he's washed. Not sitting there
thinking that is week one. So even though we're looking
at and we're measuring by C. J. Stroud for these rookies,
because it's still recency, I would caution people and urge
them to listen to what it is you just said.
That doesn't happen often. You don't have a rookie just
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come in and just light it up often. So if
you get that, if you get solid played to better
throwing a young man into a game full of pros,
of grown ass men who who are in life, have
been in life versus being in college, and they're actually
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lighting it up against.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
These these guys.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
That's a that is a tremendous bonus to you as
onlookers and fans. But there is a learning curve that
has to be closed down. There is experience and understanding
how this, how this worked. A lot of the things
that Caleb was seeing. We said this during the preseason,
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he's going to have to deal with being schemed when
we get to the regular season, and he was schemed
in game one. So now it's it's like, Okay, what
are these new wrinkles that are going to come my
way as a rookie And you look at somebody like
Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is looking at it like, oh,
I got to figure out what are these What are
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these new approaches to how they're trying to defense us,
how they're trying.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
To defense me.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Now it's on film, So to me, the biggest tail
of the tape is now that you have.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
A week under your belt of your being schemed.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
And this is another reason why I say, unless you're
going to use preseason that way, which nobody is going
to use what they're going to use in regular season.
So that's a another reason why I just don't like preseason.
But now Caleb Williams, now, Joe Burrow, now, Deshaun Watson, now,
all these.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Other quarterbacks, Jade Daniels, you name it.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Now they have a real film of four quarters of football,
real schematics, real real uh planning, game planning. What are
the tendencies they're looking at as it applies to you,
and what you're trying to do. What are you trying
to do to the defenses. Now you can do a
very very good self scouting of what you look like,
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what you were looking for, what you wanted to get done,
and you can look at the defense and see what
it is that they were going to try to do.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Because if it.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Was true success that the defense had, oh, the other
teams are going to do it. The other teams are
going to scheme you the same way if you had
success against them. I don't care if it's week one
or week sixteen, They're going to scheme you the same
way because success and success. So you got to you
got to make sure you're looking at the film.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Now, yep, go ahead, Let me ask you guys this,
when do you think the last time the Bengals won
their season opener. Oh, I don't know, three years ago.
They're actually one in five in their last six season openers.
Like as much as we want to be surprised by this,
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because you know, we looked at, for example, the New
England Patriots their roster and everything and said, well, clearly,
on paper, they're not as good as a football team.
This is one of the things I love about the
NFL is the talent is much more equated than I
think anyone realizes. And this has been a Cincinnati Bengals
team that under Zach Taylor, even Joe Burrow, has been
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a slow starting team. And if you want to chalk
it up to Jamar Chase not being there practicing, et cetera. Okay,
played in the game really didn't matter. But whatever you
want to throw, like, chalk it up to, they just
do not do well to open the season. It's hard
for them, I think, to find the rhythm. Maybe they
do need to have their starters play a little bit
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of preseason. Maybe it's not worth it to them.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
What it is, this is their preseason, this is the
starter's problem season.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
And I think that like philosophically, like big picture, and
I don't know, maybe you disagree with this when I
said this, Jonas, but like when you play more games
as we get to seventeen, now we maybe go to eighteen,
there is an element of devaluing each week as far
as what's at stake because you can lose more. And
I think that's one of the things that college football
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battles in an expanded playoff scenario, because that's what some
people have said, is like, well, it's okay, we've lost
the game, but there's probably gonna be a team that
loses three games that gets in the playoff.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I personally like it. I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that a team early on in the season. Now, granted,
maybe you lose later on in the year, but you
know what Notre Dame did, Like let's just use them
as an example. All they did was give away their
opportunity to let one or so get away from them.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Later on, you.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Let it go, okay, moving on. I like that because
for me it was like, okay, if I'm being honest,
and it's a lot different than when I was in school,
But Let's be clear. If you lost one game, you
were out of it.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No chance.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
When I was in school, you couldn't lose any games.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Same thing to the BCS, I mean, especially when you're
not a conference championship. That's how we felt.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
But you couldn't lose a game.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
So to me, it's some people say, oh, well, it's
not as intense as not it doesn't mean as much.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Yes it does.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
You know why, because if you let a game like
that go, then that one game, that one game that
you you let go against a bigger, bigger opponent where
it's like the biggest game and something happening you didn't win.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
You know what, Now you gotta win it.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
So now it creates that's that pressure in that moment
because that's the one game you could actually let get
away and still made it into the playoffs, but you
gave it away early on, which fun it's a learning experience.
That could be the one loss that that triggers us
against the world type deal. You know all day you
could go into Texas A and M. You could be
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but you can't beat this stick.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Like okay, we're gonna show you.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Like in a good coach, which they have a strong coach,
that they have a strong culture. I look at it
and I say, those are the things to me that
make it better. It makes it better when you see
these types of get and transitioning it back to the pros,
when you see guys struggle early, Yes.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
It is. It is simple to say that this is
the starter's preseason.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I don't think it takes any type of crazy logic
to know that these guys aren't ready to play. Unless
you've played four quarters in a game, you don't know
what that as feels like mentally and physically.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
You know what I thought watching Kayleb Williams because I
wasn't worried at all, Like and I'm not worried looking
at at how the offense was.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
There's a lot of new pieces there. He's a rookie,
he's young.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I kind of got one concern, but go ahead.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Well, like my thought on it was, it just struck
me how bad the Carolina Panthers have failed Bryce Young.
Like I watch that and I go, they've got it.
The Bears at least have a defense. They've surrounded him
with pieces like there there's a real plan there. And
then you look on the on the flip side, of
that at last year's number one pick, like he's screwed,
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Like they are terrible and there's there's no direction. He's
already gone through a coaching change, Like they didn't add
anything around him, Anybody that was there that was worth anything.
They've traded away to other places like Chicago, like the
Giants and Brian Burns, Christian McCaffrey. Whatever they gave we
got in return for that. Like I look at it
and I go, I'm not worried because it's it feels
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like there's at least a plan in place. I look
at Bryce Young after yesterday and I'm like, I don't
know if it's ever going to get off the ground
for him.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Am I not?
Speaker 8 (18:07):
And that's more often than not.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, people sit there and get upset about guys being
called bus but more often than not, guys find themselves
in the situation you're explaining.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yeah, it's there's a lot of tough organizations out there,
and I think that's the hard part is you look
at that one and go, yeah, I don't think they're
gonna be able to fix things enough around him in
order to help him excel or be the best version
of himself. So we can see what we have in him.
There is one concern, and this is only because I
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had a chance I call one of his games last
year and I talked about this with my producer just
watching film, and this is a concern for me with Caleb.
You know, one of the things that not to get
into long dissertation. We don't have a ton of time here,
but when you play from shotgun through pretty much your
entire career, your footwork get sloppy, at least in regards
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to how your full work as a quarterback has to
work in the pocket in the NFL. And the reason
why I said that is, you know you're so You're
so drilled and trained three step, five step, seven step,
and all those drops are similar too with the play
action pass, et cetera. To be able to set the
pocket for the offensive line. Like this really is a
conversation about the offensive line play and how your full
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work impacts them, because that impacts your job more than
anything else. And so when you when you play from
under center, you get so accustomed to your depth, your timing,
your rhythm, everything being the same, and when you when
you set that pocket, meaning when I hit my fifth step,
when I hit my seventh step at the back of
the pocket, I'm them stepping back up. So what you're
trying to do is set a set point for the
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edge rushers to be able to rush up field at
that spot, and then you know your tackles are trained
and taught to push them by you as you step up.
What the problem is with guys and shotgun is the
footwork starts to go a little hay Wi Right. You
have a shotgun snap which throws off somewhat of the
timing in and of itself your full work. Then, because
of the timing of the snap itself and just getting
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the ball and getting the laces, it's not directly correlated
with how the timing is going to be under center.
So typically if you had a three step drop, which
doesn't exist anymore in the NFL, it would be one
step in shotgun, if you had if you had a
five step drop, it'd be three steps in shotgun. You know,
if you had a seven step drop under center and
be five steps, that's kind of how it converts. But
oftentimes maybe maybe we go big three here because you
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know the timing of it, you'll say three bigger steps
from it. But the general point is there's bad habits
that are created for the full work. And one of
the things that I noticed about Bryce Young was he
would turn with his body parallel and then he'd constantly
because he was how far back he was. Instead of
stepping up into the pocket, he would look to get
to the outside, and that's exactly what defenses want to do.
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I worry a little bit about Caleb Williams, who, over
the last two years of his time at USC was
so effective and so good at getting out of the
pocket to create that at times he almost looks and
relies on that instead of having to stay in the pocket,
throw with more tamey in rhythm and realizing that that's
how this game is played. You know, that's where you
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get the protection. If you think you're gonna live and
be a Super Bowl winning quarterback, leaving the pocket all
the time, good luck. And I think that's the one
concern I have for him is can he get to
a point where he feels so comfortable just dancing and
moving within that pocket to be able to make the
throws and then when he is tasked with it, like
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kind of Patrick Mahomes, unless he has to, then he
could take off and showcase what he could do running.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
The football regrets and that Patrick Mahomes wasn't one of
his top two quarterbacks because you tried to do what
Patrick Mahomes does on Sundays and well, now you know
what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It feels like it a regular season gate.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, one in the books.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
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Speaker 7 (23:07):
All right, pick a card in any card you guys
want to get into Schador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Do you want to talk?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Not a lot of time. Gosh, that took that took
a while. I'll just quickly address Notre Dame. That was
a historic loss, maybe one of the top let's talk
about it, alum yesterday, maybe one of the top four
or five losses all time in all seriousness, when you
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open a season and you're the four touchdown favorite. And
this is, by the way, no disrespect to Northern Illinois
coach Hammock. That their their entire team and staff, they
did a tremendous job. But from the Notre Dame perspective
of this, it's the type of loss that makes you
question everything. And I know it draws comparisons to the
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loss to a Sun Belt team in Marshall a couple
of years ago. Similar situation double dig your favorite home opener,
but also those the first year for Margus Freeman as
the head coach, And so I think the sentiment can
be put simply like this. For everything that Notre Dame
fans felt after the week one win down in College
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Station and what that win meant and looked like it
would mean for the rest of the season, all of
that was erased by what happened this past week. And
that's the tough part is now moving forward. It's kind
of a week by week season because you don't know
what to expect and they're a double digit favorite at
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Purdue's coming off of a buye who might be the
worst team in the Big Ten. I don't know. But
in comparison to Northern Illinois, it's like, well, you just
lost at home your season opener, a game where you
should be running out of that tunnel with your head
on fire, looking to honestly stat pad or padristats excuse me,
like that's the reality is that that's what that game
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was set up to be or supposed to supposed to be.
So now every single week you look at it and go,
I have no idea. I don't know how the team's
gonna show up, Well what that's gonna look like? And
I think that's the tough part. And the last thing
I'll say quickly is there's an expanding twelve team playoffs.
I don't want to make or overreact too much to
one loss, because if this team goes on eleven and one,
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you we do all sit there and say, well that
that should be good enough to get in. Right, Yes,
here's the problem. And actually it was Tom Fournelly. I
gotta give credit with C Sports he brought this up.
He said, a loss like that, even if they win
eleven in one, is why the expanded playoff is bad.
Because there's a team that just showed you what they
could potentially look like in the playoff and no one
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wants to see that. And I would agree with that,
and maybe there's a reason why there is subjectivity and
there's a committee that selects these because the truth of
the matter is eleven and one, yeah, that will get
you in the playoff. But with as easy as the
rest is, schedule is, and the way the team looked
that day, it would be a shame if they're eleven
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to one playing in the playoff and that game reservices itself,
and they play like that again in the playoff, Like
I can understand why people look at that and go, yeah,
like that's that almost kills your entire season, where not
only do they not have any room for air the
rest of the way, it's such a bad loss where
I don't think I don't know ten and two with
their schedule, gets the men anymore. They're there's those big concerns.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I mean, I don't disagree with that, but if they
did have like I'm looking at their schedule, I mean,
they don't have a ton of really heart and considers no.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
One hard there.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I'll sit there and tell you right now, Levart's it's
my job, Like there's no one Florida State didn't look
as good outside of USC at the end of the year.
That's gonna be the best quality win possibly that's it. Yeah,
they're basically gonna have one quality win. Georgia Tech loss
to Syracuse this past week. They were in the top
twenty five. They'll be bounced out. I have no idea
where Florida State woned up. Louisville will be a ranked team.
Probably there'll be another tough one for him. But like
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that's it. I mean, it was a very very weak schedule.
It's why before the season I'm like, twelve and oh
should be the goal with this roster, with the staff
and everything, and eleven and one would be the four.
But that's I mean, that makes it tough now moving forward.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I also feel like you're kind of bearing the lead
on this whole story.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well what's the lead?
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I mean, who was the voice of this historic loss
for Brady Quinn on Saturday? Like, who was the voice
who gave you that play by play and it broken up?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
That is true, so full disclosure. I was driving back
from an arbor, Michigan, and I happened to I was
trying to listen to on the radio. It's kind of
hard to like pick it up, and obviously everyone's blown
up my phone, but I'm driving, so I'm not really responding.
And I happened to have called Jonas at some point
about something, and then he called me back and he
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was basically giving me the play by play for the
final moments of what was set up to be a
sixty two yard field or sixty one I'm still did
you scratch my head about that?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Did you enjoy doing that? Jonas, well, I did.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
I didn't know you took delight and he twisted the
knife in my side, so it was payback.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I called him.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
I called him and I was like, man, I'm just
really sweating out my Northern Illinois Huskies, you know, really
sweating because I didn't think they were going to win
the game. And then it started to play out and
go and and Brady's like, all right, you're you're You're
doing a horrible job. So what's going on? Are they
kicking off as it's a squib kick? I'm like, oh,
we're really doing this, all right, so here we go.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I was I was like, well, I'm literally I'm telling
him this scenario. Well, they should squip kick it because
they don't want to set up their turn. Give them
then you know, more time off the clock. And so
you know, he's like, oh, they did something. I think
they had to rekick ith.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, they had so they had to rekick it.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
And then there was also the instant that he had
like while this is happening, like Brady's pulling into a
gas station to try and get gas, and so.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
I couldn't pay. I couldn't pay at the actual pomp
by going actually go inside the pay a hole of bacle.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
It was the worst ten to fifteen minute stretch Brady's
had years and it was all playing out on Saturday
on a drive back from Ann Harbor.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
This is what I'll say to you were not alone
my guy there, that it looked like it was a
Halloween Saturday in college football, and it almost happened in
State A well, I mean, Bowling Green came out and.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
You know what though in defensive Penn State and the
defense of like a lot of these schools, and I
don't know, I'm not saying this for Notre Dame, by
the way, but I am saying this for like Connor Baslak,
who's the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
At Boy and Green killed it.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Well he was a Missouri right, Like you watch these
kids who they're not getting an opportunity to play somewhere else,
right because Brady put Cooks there. They transfer and then
they go excel and they help everyone elseide around him.
Like that's the one thing I'll say about the transfer
portal is as much as it depletes. Sometimes a school
like Boy and Green State, who's a maxic that has
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a few wide receivers that show out now they want
to go get paid to play somewhere else. Okay, but
it also brings in sometimes a quarterback who wasn't getting
a shot somewhere else or struggled and then goes there,
balls out. Look at Caliber Cord of Syracuse. I mean,
if you're watching calib Accord and you're an Ohio State fan,
you're like, where was this last year for us? And
that's part of the problem was they didn't want to
commit to him, and because of that, he moves on
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and now Fran Brown. Their staffs like, thank you, we'll
take this.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Yeah, we got booed at halftime in State College. I
don't know that I've ever been now.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
I'm sure, I'm certain it's probably heard.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Last year versus you're right, yes, yeah, well there you go,
there you go. You're right about that. And I did
hear it in oh High State game before too.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Well then that scratches my theory there, because you're right.
But they boot, they boot, and that was against Bowling Green,
you know, so it was. It was a rough weekend
for a lot of teams. I mean, it is what
it is. I mean, if I'm Michigan, I was I
saw a lot of Michigan shirts too, and I was
just looking at them, like, hell to the Victor. I
(31:13):
hit a lot of Hell to the victors. Now, I
like Notre Dame, so I don't I don't give them
too much. I consulted Notre Dame fans. There was some
very lovely older ladies that were on there were they
were on our plane and it was an older guy.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Not at all.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
I was messing with him and they were like, yeah,
we were at the game too, I said, Notre Dame fans.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
They were like yeah. I was like, you got to
be okay. But I'll tell you what. The Michigan fans.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
I just enjoyed saying Hell to the Victor every time
I saw every time because I had to see Michigan
shirts last year too, and it was it was. It
was a different time, but boy, I got to say
hell to the Victor yesterday.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
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Speaker 4 (33:06):
All right, Lead to lap.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Your packers were playing in Brazil on a Friday night
and you had no work.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
The next day? How the hell did that go?
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Not very well at all?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Guys?
Speaker 11 (33:16):
Yeah, I probably started drinking a little too early before
the before the game, so I showed up to the
local Packers bar as one would do with met up
with my Eagles friend. But I think I was a
little bullish and decided to maybe watch the second half
at home, so Buddy drove me home. I was like, yeah, okay,
I'll get Peacock on. I'll get I'll get ready to
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go on my TV.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
No big deal.
Speaker 11 (33:39):
Well, it took way too long to get that that
game going, so I was very anxious, upset, started heavily
drinking some more because I was more upset trying to
get Peacock going at home.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
So I ended up getting the game.
Speaker 11 (33:50):
On in like the fourth quarter, and uh, you know,
of course we all saw what happened to Jordan Love,
and so the rest of the evening kind of got
real dark, real quick entertaining game though it was a
great game.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I mean, you know, it would have been nice if
y'all had one.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yes, with the loss of your quarterback, you lost your
game and your quarterback and your season.
Speaker 11 (34:10):
I guess the bright side would be that it is
only three you know, hopefully three weeks.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
With the sprain MCL it could have been a lot
lot worse. It looked a lot worse.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Bad.
Speaker 11 (34:20):
So I'm trying to be positive, but very depressing Friday
and Saturday, Like I said, Saturday was going to.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Be a rough day.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, the field conditions were
not ideal either. I like how the NFL, you know,
they get everything set up, they get everybody out there,
and then go, oh yeah, the field sucks, man, whatever,
We'll figure it out.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Like it's a classic example of why I continue to
keep saying they don't care. Like when we talk about
player safety, the field conditions, No, none of these players
should ever be playing on fieldter That's just the truth
of the matter. The data would support that, and yet
it's still happens because you can do so much more
on field turf throughout the course of the year to
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make a profit off it. So it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Ye who else has got something?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
I told you my IR? I mean I had multiple
irs though, you know, but the biggest one was just
hit my forearm off of like cabinet I got.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I got uh, that'll happen.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
I got caught from my blind side. That's that's how
it happened, you know. But there were a lot of
LeVar Islands, involved a couple of loggers, you know, leap bloggers,
you know it.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
It was just a lot of you know.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Yeah, so my forearm is a little sore, so there
you go.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Yeah. I literally couldn't sleep after a mind name lost
like that. It was really went went went back and
watched it. Stayed up till about two am. I was
watching other football too, but just beside myself with all
the talent, everything that everything they have.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
There, got a lot of questions.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
It's the hat man. So ugly, so ugly, damn
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
I just haven't submitted my new song yet.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I mean, I got mind changed.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
I just I listened to yours and finus you did
what you did. I will say I might play what
is it that enter the Sandman song?
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Micah, I might. Isn't that what?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
No, No, isn't that what the Steelers come out to?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
What did the Stellers come out to? I don't know
what's that song called.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
It's like a Sierra song or the Third, the third,
the third, and it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Damn that's one.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
We played that and you know, I go to the
Spike Stadium during the game shouts out to my man
Scott Walker and those guys. Yeah, our tailgate was pretty
dope stick Stick City Tailgate, by the way, Bro, we
started playing that song and we we wash pit, we
wash pitted. We we got every ounce of every bit
(01:35):
of any pent up anything. I got like a little
scrape on my arm, little bruise. But we were we
were in there like throwing down like we.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Bro. We was mashing.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
We were, I mean, we laughed so hard when we
were done, Bro, And it felt so good, like everybody
was breathing all heart and stuff like that, Like everybody
was just like totally amped up, and it just was
such a release, felt really good.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
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Speaker 7 (02:32):
All right, So we had some rookie quarterbacks making their
debut in the NFL yesterday and uh oh, listen none
of them looked all that hot, all right, they didn't
look all that great.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
Oh say, can you see?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Oh, but I'll do better.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
So uh Caleb Williams first up, nails were painted. They
know had that had stuff designed, and the offense went
out there. And what's great about the Bears is that,
for I don't know five decades, it's been kind of
the same recipe. Yeah, suspect offense, but damn they've got
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a defense like they figure it out almost every single year,
special teams defense. And they were losing that game. They
were getting wiped out in that game. They got some
help from will Levis, who threw an awful pick six,
but no offensive touchdowns. There was an opportunity to Keenan
Allen to score. He dropped it in his first game
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as a Bear, and away we go with the Caleb
Williams era in Chicago. Would you like to hear a
little bit from Caleb Williams though, yes, of course, all right,
So no word as to whether or not he had
the nail Paulish removed at all.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
It was still there, was it? All right? Yeah, don't
judge him, don't judge him.
Speaker 9 (03:52):
Well, here he was after the game, we didn't perform
how we wanted to. We want to be the most
efficient team out there. You know, myself included, didn't perform
in the way that I wanted to. I missed a
few passes that I normally don't miss all of his
other things, and so I think there's small things that
always lead up to big things to make games.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
A lot closer. It's great to get this first win.
Speaker 9 (04:12):
You know, we're all excited to win, into the locker
room celebrate. I sat down and enjoyed the moment and
just watching all the guys celebrate, understand that I need
to be better.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I will be better, and then, uh.
Speaker 9 (04:21):
You know, you know, just taking in the first win,
it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
One to oh one's handled bears the Bears it well, yeah,
I mean, here's the reality.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Remember how good CJ. Stroud was last year?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, all right?
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Does anyone remember how he played versus Baltimore Week one?
Not great and not great. I don't didn't throw a touchdout,
I didn't turn it over, was sacked five times and
get a lot of pressure on him. It wasn't one
of his best games. In fact, I would say, outside
of their lost to Carolina, which probably was the worst
game he played last season, you know, and maybe the Jets.
(05:01):
I think he you know, played a little bit in
that Week thirteen game where he struggled. That was one
of his lesser games. And so even though you have
this player that played arguably the best rookie season, I
would say some have said since Dan Marino, like that's
how good CJ. Stroud looked. Like it's been that long
since Dan Maria, since we've seen a rookie as a
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quarterback come into the league and play the way that CJ.
Stroud did just a year ago. So that was the
expectation to Caleb Williams, or that was the expectation for
Bo Nix or Jayden Daniels. It was gonna be rough.
And I think you look, for example, at a team
like the New England Patriots, who none of us predicted
(05:42):
to win this past week's game. They go out and
they find a way of winning with Jacoby Brissett, and
we'll I'm sure touch on that when we get.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
To it would anyone predict that?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Well? And here we are. So but here's why. Because
it's still a league where there's going to be a
learning curve for all these quarterbacks, the speed is ramped up,
those windows are closing even faster. They are now able
to see some of what your weaknesses are just from
watching the preseason film, and you better believe they're game
planning for you and around it. And it's your job
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not only to get a better sense of how to
execute within your offense, but deal with the defenses that
you're seeing, And it's hard to deal with those defenses
everything they're giving you while you're still trying to get
down the timing and rhythm of the offense you're playing
with them. And just even how much that game plan
changes from whatever Caleb Williams had for the Tennessee Titans
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this week, it should be at least forty percent different,
fifty percent different than what they're doing next week. Like
that's how drastic the game plan should change on a
week to week basis in the NFL, because it's so
much matchup based that goes for your offensive line obviously
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your wide receivers, running backs, tight ends, etc. Into passing game,
but also in the running game as far as your
mismatch that you get up front or the different tweaks
that you've got on running plays where you feel like
you can get to edges and you can exploit some
of the weaknesses you see on their defense. So that's
the hard part for quarterbacks, and it's kind of why
we've got this trend of hey, by year three, we
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really want to evaluate these guys. Well, it's like he
had a perfect scenario, like a year three where they've
played year one, year two into year three. Because you're one,
you're just trying to learn your stuff. You two, you're
trying to learn what the defense is always presenting you.
And year three, you put all together, you show out
that that's a perfect scenario. A lot of these rookies
don't get them any games anymore, and that's the difficulty
(07:38):
in evaluating them. We tend to rush to judgment and
hopefully people don't be patient and give these guys some time.
But it was ugly football for a lot of these
rookies in the first start.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It was ugly, But you know what, it was ugly
for a lot of quarterbacks. You just mentioned Cincinnati, Joe Burrow.
I don't think any of us would sit there and
say we thought Joe Burrow would would have the type
of game that he.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Had do you know how happy I was the Browns
lost because I like our parlay party that we picked
on Friday, Like I had Bengals money line and like
you guys were busting my balls, like, oh, the biggest favorite,
and I'm thinking, man, if I would have been the
only one to lose our parlay for us because of
the damn Bengals and then Brady's Browns.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Came, that was the only way we lost it.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
No, well, the Browns lost too, So that's say, did
I that was that?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Who I took it?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
He took the Browns, he took the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Bar got it.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
We don't like to make things about me, but let's
let me go back to my original point, right, how
did you.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Pick Minnesota versus the Giants?
Speaker 7 (08:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I was trying to give people one that wasn't an
obvious too, you know what I mean, like that one
that much. By the way, that was one of the
more exciting games of the weekend. By the way, the
game in South Polo, I mean, did they give them
a show or what I'll say this, I mean he
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might have left more than that there. You know, who knows, man,
But he did leave. He did leave that. I mean,
you know, Q is the authority on that right now.
So everyone out there listening to that, that was one
Brady q quinn that gave you that right there, that
pit pit a bit of information. That's what I was
(09:35):
going for.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Anyway, Joe Burrow's numbers were pedestrian as well, right, So
I don't think anyone's going to sit there and be like,
oh my gosh, Joe, like how I did you know
Deshaun Watson because his numbers weren't good. But if I'm
looking at Joe Burrow and I'm like, first week, one
hundred and sixty four yards, no touchdowns, I'm not in
(10:00):
there saying that, Okay, well he's washed. Not sitting there
thinking that is week one. So even though we're looking
at and we're measuring by C. J. Stroud for these rookies,
because it's still recency, I would caution people and urge
them to listen to what it is you just said.
That doesn't happen often. You don't have a rookie just
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come in and just light it up often. So if
you get that, if you get solid played to better
throwing a young man into a game full of pros,
of grown ass men who who are in life, have
been in life versus being in college, and they're actually
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lighting it up against.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
These these guys.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
That's a that is a tremendous bonus to you as
onlookers and fans. But there is a learning curve that
has to be closed down. There is experience and understanding
how this, how this worked. A lot of the things
that Caleb was seeing. We said this during the preseason,
(11:11):
he's going to have to deal with being schemed when
we get to the regular season, and he was schemed
in game one. So now it's it's like, Okay, what
are these new wrinkles that are going to come my
way as a rookie And you look at somebody like
Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is looking at it like, oh,
I got to figure out what are these What are
(11:32):
these new approaches to how they're trying to defense us,
how they're trying.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
To defense me.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Now it's on film, So to me, the biggest tail
of the tape is now that you have.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
A week under your belt of your being schemed.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
And this is another reason why I say, unless you're
going to use preseason that way, which nobody is going
to use what they're going to use in regular season.
So that's a another reason why I just don't like preseason.
But now Caleb Williams, now, Joe Burrow, now, Deshaun Watson, now,
all these.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Other quarterbacks, Jade Daniels, you name it.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Now they have a real film of four quarters of football,
real schematics, real real uh planning, game planning. What are
the tendencies they're looking at as it applies to you,
and what you're trying to do. What are you trying
to do to the defenses. Now you can do a
very very good self scouting of what you look like,
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what you were looking for, what you wanted to get done,
and you can look at the defense and see what
it is that they were going to try to do.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Because if it.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Was true success that the defense had, oh, the other
teams are going to do it. The other teams are
going to scheme you the same way if you had
success against them. I don't care if it's week one
or week sixteen, They're going to scheme you the same
way because success and success. So you got to you
got to make sure you're looking at the film.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Now, yep, go ahead, Let me ask you guys this,
when do you think the last time the Bengals won
their season opener. Oh, I don't know, three years ago.
They're actually one in five in their last six season openers.
Like as much as we want to be surprised by this,
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because you know, we looked at, for example, the New
England Patriots their roster and everything and said, well, clearly,
on paper, they're not as good as a football team.
This is one of the things I love about the
NFL is the talent is much more equated than I
think anyone realizes. And this has been a Cincinnati Bengals
team that under Zach Taylor, even Joe Burrow, has been
(13:44):
a slow starting team. And if you want to chalk
it up to Jamar Chase not being there practicing, et cetera. Okay,
played in the game really didn't matter. But whatever you
want to throw, like, chalk it up to, they just
do not do well to open the season. It's hard
for them, I think, to find the rhythm. Maybe they
do need to have their starters play a little bit
(14:06):
of preseason. Maybe it's not worth it to them.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
What it is, this is their preseason, this is the
starter's problem season.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
And I think that like philosophically, like big picture, and
I don't know, maybe you disagree with this when I
said this, Jonas, but like when you play more games
as we get to seventeen, now we maybe go to eighteen,
there is an element of devaluing each week as far
as what's at stake because you can lose more. And
I think that's one of the things that college football
(14:34):
battles in an expanded playoff scenario, because that's what some
people have said, is like, well, it's okay, we've lost
the game, but there's probably gonna be a team that
loses three games that gets in the playoff.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I personally like it. I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that a team early on in the season. Now, granted,
maybe you lose later on in the year, but you
know what Notre Dame did, Like let's just use them
as an example. All they did was give away their
opportunity to let one or so get away from them.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Later on, you.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Let it go, okay, moving on. I like that because
for me it was like, okay, if I'm being honest,
and it's a lot different than when I was in school,
But Let's be clear. If you lost one game, you
were out of it.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No chance.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
When I was in school, you couldn't lose any games.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Same thing to the BCS, I mean, especially when you're
not a conference championship. That's how we felt.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
But you couldn't lose a game.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
So to me, it's some people say, oh, well, it's
not as intense as not it doesn't mean as much.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Yes it does.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
You know why, because if you let a game like
that go, then that one game, that one game that
you you let go against a bigger, bigger opponent where
it's like the biggest game and something happening you didn't win.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
You know what, Now you gotta win it.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
So now it creates that's that pressure in that moment
because that's the one game you could actually let get
away and still made it into the playoffs, but you
gave it away early on, which fun it's a learning experience.
That could be the one loss that that triggers us
against the world type deal. You know all day you
could go into Texas A and M. You could be
(16:21):
but you can't beat this stick.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Like okay, we're gonna show you.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Like in a good coach, which they have a strong coach,
that they have a strong culture. I look at it
and I say, those are the things to me that
make it better. It makes it better when you see
these types of get and transitioning it back to the pros,
when you see guys struggle early, Yes.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
It is. It is simple to say that this is
the starter's preseason.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I don't think it takes any type of crazy logic
to know that these guys aren't ready to play. Unless
you've played four quarters in a game, you don't know
what that as feels like mentally and physically.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
You know what I thought watching Kayleb Williams because I
wasn't worried at all, Like and I'm not worried looking
at at how the offense was.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
There's a lot of new pieces there. He's a rookie,
he's young.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I kind of got one concern, but go ahead.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Well, like my thought on it was, it just struck
me how bad the Carolina Panthers have failed Bryce Young.
Like I watch that and I go, they've got it.
The Bears at least have a defense. They've surrounded him
with pieces like there there's a real plan there. And
then you look on the on the flip side, of
that at last year's number one pick, like he's screwed,
(17:37):
Like they are terrible and there's there's no direction. He's
already gone through a coaching change, Like they didn't add
anything around him, Anybody that was there that was worth anything.
They've traded away to other places like Chicago, like the
Giants and Brian Burns, Christian McCaffrey. Whatever they gave we
got in return for that. Like I look at it
and I go, I'm not worried because it's it feels
(18:00):
like there's at least a plan in place. I look
at Bryce Young after yesterday and I'm like, I don't
know if it's ever going to get off the ground
for him.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Am I not?
Speaker 8 (18:07):
And that's more often than not.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, people sit there and get upset about guys being
called bus but more often than not, guys find themselves
in the situation you're explaining.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yeah, it's there's a lot of tough organizations out there,
and I think that's the hard part is you look
at that one and go, yeah, I don't think they're
gonna be able to fix things enough around him in
order to help him excel or be the best version
of himself. So we can see what we have in him.
There is one concern, and this is only because I
(18:40):
had a chance I call one of his games last
year and I talked about this with my producer just
watching film, and this is a concern for me with Caleb.
You know, one of the things that not to get
into long dissertation. We don't have a ton of time here,
but when you play from shotgun through pretty much your
entire career, your footwork get sloppy, at least in regards
(19:02):
to how your full work as a quarterback has to
work in the pocket in the NFL. And the reason
why I said that is, you know you're so You're
so drilled and trained three step, five step, seven step,
and all those drops are similar too with the play
action pass, et cetera. To be able to set the
pocket for the offensive line. Like this really is a
conversation about the offensive line play and how your full
(19:25):
work impacts them, because that impacts your job more than
anything else. And so when you when you play from
under center, you get so accustomed to your depth, your timing,
your rhythm, everything being the same, and when you when
you set that pocket, meaning when I hit my fifth step,
when I hit my seventh step at the back of
the pocket, I'm them stepping back up. So what you're
trying to do is set a set point for the
(19:46):
edge rushers to be able to rush up field at
that spot, and then you know your tackles are trained
and taught to push them by you as you step up.
What the problem is with guys and shotgun is the
footwork starts to go a little hay Wi Right. You
have a shotgun snap which throws off somewhat of the
timing in and of itself your full work. Then, because
of the timing of the snap itself and just getting
(20:08):
the ball and getting the laces, it's not directly correlated
with how the timing is going to be under center.
So typically if you had a three step drop, which
doesn't exist anymore in the NFL, it would be one
step in shotgun, if you had if you had a
five step drop, it'd be three steps in shotgun. You know,
if you had a seven step drop under center and
be five steps, that's kind of how it converts. But
oftentimes maybe maybe we go big three here because you
(20:30):
know the timing of it, you'll say three bigger steps
from it. But the general point is there's bad habits
that are created for the full work. And one of
the things that I noticed about Bryce Young was he
would turn with his body parallel and then he'd constantly
because he was how far back he was. Instead of
stepping up into the pocket, he would look to get
to the outside, and that's exactly what defenses want to do.
(20:53):
I worry a little bit about Caleb Williams, who, over
the last two years of his time at USC was
so effective and so good at getting out of the
pocket to create that at times he almost looks and
relies on that instead of having to stay in the pocket,
throw with more tamey in rhythm and realizing that that's
how this game is played. You know, that's where you
(21:15):
get the protection. If you think you're gonna live and
be a Super Bowl winning quarterback, leaving the pocket all
the time, good luck. And I think that's the one
concern I have for him is can he get to
a point where he feels so comfortable just dancing and
moving within that pocket to be able to make the
throws and then when he is tasked with it, like
(21:37):
kind of Patrick Mahomes, unless he has to, then he
could take off and showcase what he could do running.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
The football regrets and that Patrick Mahomes wasn't one of
his top two quarterbacks because you tried to do what
Patrick Mahomes does on Sundays and well, now you know
what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It feels like it a regular season gate.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, one in the books.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
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want to get into Schador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Do you want to talk?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Not a lot of time. Gosh, that took that took
a while. I'll just quickly address Notre Dame. That was
a historic loss, maybe one of the top let's talk
about it, alum yesterday, maybe one of the top four
or five losses all time in all seriousness, when you
(23:34):
open a season and you're the four touchdown favorite. And
this is, by the way, no disrespect to Northern Illinois
coach Hammock. That their their entire team and staff, they
did a tremendous job. But from the Notre Dame perspective
of this, it's the type of loss that makes you
question everything. And I know it draws comparisons to the
(23:57):
loss to a Sun Belt team in Marshall a couple
of years ago. Similar situation double dig your favorite home opener,
but also those the first year for Margus Freeman as
the head coach, And so I think the sentiment can
be put simply like this. For everything that Notre Dame
fans felt after the week one win down in College
(24:17):
Station and what that win meant and looked like it
would mean for the rest of the season, all of
that was erased by what happened this past week. And
that's the tough part is now moving forward. It's kind
of a week by week season because you don't know
what to expect and they're a double digit favorite at
(24:37):
Purdue's coming off of a buye who might be the
worst team in the Big Ten. I don't know. But
in comparison to Northern Illinois, it's like, well, you just
lost at home your season opener, a game where you
should be running out of that tunnel with your head
on fire, looking to honestly stat pad or padristats excuse me,
like that's the reality is that that's what that game
(25:00):
was set up to be or supposed to supposed to be.
So now every single week you look at it and go,
I have no idea. I don't know how the team's
gonna show up, Well what that's gonna look like? And
I think that's the tough part. And the last thing
I'll say quickly is there's an expanding twelve team playoffs.
I don't want to make or overreact too much to
one loss, because if this team goes on eleven and one,
(25:23):
you we do all sit there and say, well that
that should be good enough to get in. Right, Yes,
here's the problem. And actually it was Tom Fournelly. I
gotta give credit with C Sports he brought this up.
He said, a loss like that, even if they win
eleven in one, is why the expanded playoff is bad.
Because there's a team that just showed you what they
could potentially look like in the playoff and no one
(25:45):
wants to see that. And I would agree with that,
and maybe there's a reason why there is subjectivity and
there's a committee that selects these because the truth of
the matter is eleven and one, yeah, that will get
you in the playoff. But with as easy as the
rest is, schedule is, and the way the team looked
that day, it would be a shame if they're eleven
(26:05):
to one playing in the playoff and that game reservices itself,
and they play like that again in the playoff, Like
I can understand why people look at that and go, yeah,
like that's that almost kills your entire season, where not
only do they not have any room for air the
rest of the way, it's such a bad loss where
I don't think I don't know ten and two with
their schedule, gets the men anymore. They're there's those big concerns.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I mean, I don't disagree with that, but if they
did have like I'm looking at their schedule, I mean,
they don't have a ton of really heart and considers no.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
One hard there.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I'll sit there and tell you right now, Levart's it's
my job, Like there's no one Florida State didn't look
as good outside of USC at the end of the year.
That's gonna be the best quality win possibly that's it. Yeah,
they're basically gonna have one quality win. Georgia Tech loss
to Syracuse this past week. They were in the top
twenty five. They'll be bounced out. I have no idea
where Florida State woned up. Louisville will be a ranked team.
Probably there'll be another tough one for him. But like
(27:02):
that's it. I mean, it was a very very weak schedule.
It's why before the season I'm like, twelve and oh
should be the goal with this roster, with the staff
and everything, and eleven and one would be the four.
But that's I mean, that makes it tough now moving forward.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I also feel like you're kind of bearing the lead
on this whole story.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well what's the lead?
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I mean, who was the voice of this historic loss
for Brady Quinn on Saturday? Like, who was the voice
who gave you that play by play and it broken up?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
That is true, so full disclosure. I was driving back
from an arbor, Michigan, and I happened to I was
trying to listen to on the radio. It's kind of
hard to like pick it up, and obviously everyone's blown
up my phone, but I'm driving, so I'm not really responding.
And I happened to have called Jonas at some point
about something, and then he called me back and he
(27:53):
was basically giving me the play by play for the
final moments of what was set up to be a
sixty two yard field or sixty one I'm still did
you scratch my head about that?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Did you enjoy doing that? Jonas, well, I did.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
I didn't know you took delight and he twisted the
knife in my side, so it was payback.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I called him.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
I called him and I was like, man, I'm just
really sweating out my Northern Illinois Huskies, you know, really
sweating because I didn't think they were going to win
the game. And then it started to play out and
go and and Brady's like, all right, you're you're You're
doing a horrible job. So what's going on? Are they
kicking off as it's a squib kick? I'm like, oh,
we're really doing this, all right, so here we go.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I was I was like, well, I'm literally I'm telling
him this scenario. Well, they should squip kick it because
they don't want to set up their turn. Give them
then you know, more time off the clock. And so
you know, he's like, oh, they did something. I think
they had to rekick ith.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, they had so they had to rekick it.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
And then there was also the instant that he had
like while this is happening, like Brady's pulling into a
gas station to try and get gas, and so.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
I couldn't pay. I couldn't pay at the actual pomp
by going actually go inside the pay a hole of bacle.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
It was the worst ten to fifteen minute stretch Brady's
had years and it was all playing out on Saturday
on a drive back from Ann Harbor.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
This is what I'll say to you were not alone
my guy there, that it looked like it was a
Halloween Saturday in college football, and it almost happened in
State A well, I mean, Bowling Green came out and.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
You know what though in defensive Penn State and the
defense of like a lot of these schools, and I
don't know, I'm not saying this for Notre Dame, by
the way, but I am saying this for like Connor Baslak,
who's the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
At Boy and Green killed it.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Well he was a Missouri right, Like you watch these
kids who they're not getting an opportunity to play somewhere else,
right because Brady put Cooks there. They transfer and then
they go excel and they help everyone elseide around him.
Like that's the one thing I'll say about the transfer
portal is as much as it depletes. Sometimes a school
like Boy and Green State, who's a maxic that has
(30:00):
a few wide receivers that show out now they want
to go get paid to play somewhere else. Okay, but
it also brings in sometimes a quarterback who wasn't getting
a shot somewhere else or struggled and then goes there,
balls out. Look at Caliber Cord of Syracuse. I mean,
if you're watching calib Accord and you're an Ohio State fan,
you're like, where was this last year for us? And
that's part of the problem was they didn't want to
commit to him, and because of that, he moves on
(30:22):
and now Fran Brown. Their staffs like, thank you, we'll
take this.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Yeah, we got booed at halftime in State College. I
don't know that I've ever been now.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
I'm sure, I'm certain it's probably heard.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Last year versus you're right, yes, yeah, well there you go,
there you go. You're right about that. And I did
hear it in oh High State game before too.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Well then that scratches my theory there, because you're right.
But they boot, they boot, and that was against Bowling Green,
you know, so it was. It was a rough weekend
for a lot of teams. I mean, it is what
it is. I mean, if I'm Michigan, I was I
saw a lot of Michigan shirts too, and I was
just looking at them, like, hell to the Victor. I
(31:13):
hit a lot of Hell to the victors. Now, I
like Notre Dame, so I don't I don't give them
too much. I consulted Notre Dame fans. There was some
very lovely older ladies that were on there were they
were on our plane and it was an older guy.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Not at all.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
I was messing with him and they were like, yeah,
we were at the game too, I said, Notre Dame fans.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
They were like yeah. I was like, you got to
be okay. But I'll tell you what. The Michigan fans.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
I just enjoyed saying Hell to the Victor every time
I saw every time because I had to see Michigan
shirts last year too, and it was it was. It
was a different time, but boy, I got to say
hell to the Victor yesterday.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
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We will get into that for you again here on FSR.
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Speaker 4 (33:06):
All right, Lead to lap.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Your packers were playing in Brazil on a Friday night
and you had no work.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
The next day? How the hell did that go?
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Not very well at all?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Guys?
Speaker 11 (33:16):
Yeah, I probably started drinking a little too early before
the before the game, so I showed up to the
local Packers bar as one would do with met up
with my Eagles friend. But I think I was a
little bullish and decided to maybe watch the second half
at home, so Buddy drove me home. I was like, yeah, okay,
I'll get Peacock on. I'll get I'll get ready to
(33:38):
go on my TV.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
No big deal.
Speaker 11 (33:39):
Well, it took way too long to get that that
game going, so I was very anxious, upset, started heavily
drinking some more because I was more upset trying to
get Peacock going at home.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
So I ended up getting the game.
Speaker 11 (33:50):
On in like the fourth quarter, and uh, you know,
of course we all saw what happened to Jordan Love,
and so the rest of the evening kind of got
real dark, real quick entertaining game though it was a
great game.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I mean, you know, it would have been nice if
y'all had one.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yes, with the loss of your quarterback, you lost your
game and your quarterback and your season.
Speaker 11 (34:10):
I guess the bright side would be that it is
only three you know, hopefully three weeks.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
With the sprain MCL it could have been a lot
lot worse. It looked a lot worse.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Bad.
Speaker 11 (34:20):
So I'm trying to be positive, but very depressing Friday
and Saturday, Like I said, Saturday was going to.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Be a rough day.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, the field conditions were
not ideal either. I like how the NFL, you know,
they get everything set up, they get everybody out there,
and then go, oh yeah, the field sucks, man, whatever,
We'll figure it out.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Like it's a classic example of why I continue to
keep saying they don't care. Like when we talk about
player safety, the field conditions, No, none of these players
should ever be playing on fieldter That's just the truth
of the matter. The data would support that, and yet
it's still happens because you can do so much more
on field turf throughout the course of the year to
(35:04):
make a profit off it. So it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Ye who else has got something?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
I told you my IR? I mean I had multiple
irs though, you know, but the biggest one was just
hit my forearm off of like cabinet I got.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I got uh, that'll happen.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
I got caught from my blind side. That's that's how
it happened, you know. But there were a lot of
LeVar Islands, involved a couple of loggers, you know, leap bloggers,
you know it.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
It was just a lot of you know.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Yeah, so my forearm is a little sore, so there
you go.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Yeah. I literally couldn't sleep after a mind name lost
like that. It was really went went went back and
watched it. Stayed up till about two am. I was
watching other football too, but just beside myself with all
the talent, everything that everything they have.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
There, got a lot of questions.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
It's the hat man. So ugly, so ugly, damn
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