September 10, 2024 • 38 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Niners run all over the Jets despite Christian McCaffrey being a last minute scratch. Deshaun Watson gets hit with new sexual assault allegations. Plus, a bar promo gone wrong on “ICYMI.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Tuesday edition, we look back at Monday
Night football and it was not pretty for the New
York Jets.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The Niners get it done.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Little controversy over the Christian McCaffrey injury we will discuss.
We're also going to get the very latest drama involving
Deshaun Watson and it's really familiar sounds just like some
other stuff that popped up a couple of years ago.
We're also going to talk about college football. It's the
debut of the BQ Top fifteen and what the hell
did Marcus Freeman have to say for Notre Dame's loss.
(00:32):
We're going to take a closer look at the surprising
AFC North. We've also got Pete Prisco stopping by, and
we got the usual fun stuff. It's all yours coming
up next here, Two pros and a cup of Joe
on a Tuesday, Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
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Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm not going to do.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
What everybody thinks I'm going to do.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I'm not go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Y'all are always right, So I just leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I don't have much to say about it. A great
game last night, though, huh depends on who you were.
I mean, you know, Frank Gore had a good time.
I saw Takeyo Spikes had a good time. You know,
there there were Patrick Willis was in the house. He
had a good time. I think guys were getting honored,
you know, with their red jacket. So yeah, it was
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a good It was a good night.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, it's uh, it was a good night. If you're
down on the jets as well too, which yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
But you y'all be so definitive sometimes man, I just
don't get it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I don't know, but I can't stand on my business.
Yeah you can, I mean, I you know, listen.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It doesn't mean you I don't hear Q's Q there.
We are technical difficulties there.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
So because I love it when Q is right, because
he's always right, so I love it when he's super right.
And this is one of those moments, at least for
one week. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, I did not. Yeah, yeah, super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Winning New York.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Well yeah, super Bowl winning New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I don't want to be an MVP and world beater
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
All right, I want to be clear here. So I
chose it was I was so what I was saying,
what was.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Between the Jets and the Dolphins to win the AFC East?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
All Right?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I went with the Jets because I just said, screw
it didn't sound like it on show. I've just it
sounded like.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Y'all were both very very very very very very very
high on the New York Jets, and you still should be.
It's only week one. It was only week one, and
that was a very good team they played. And that
drive was nice by the Jets. Okay, the first one.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You know, it was just but I do feel like
I feel like there were bigger problems to come out
of that game. Most notably, they could not stop the
running and it wasn't Christian mccannon and.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
It wasn't McCaffrey, so they didn't found another threat out
of the backfield. So now you got a two headed
monster out of the backfield. Generally speaking, if you can
if you can create a running backs back committee, like
two running backs, three running backs, you think about like
the Giants what they had, uh forty nine Ers teams
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when they had Roger Craig and and Rathman. I mean
you can you can name like Steeler teams, Various Steelers
teams had had running backs by committee.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
If you can get that.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Much production out of multiple backs in your backfield, your
offense can become pretty dynamic. It can become pretty especially
understanding that you have what you have on the outside
with your receivers. They were getting gashed inside the tackles.
It's not supposed to be the strength of this Jets.
(04:28):
This Jets football team is their defense, and their defense
was getting gashed. So I don't know, maybe it's because
it's Week one. Yeah, you know, I'm being dead serious.
I'm going to continue to bang the drum. This is
why I'm not I'm gonna say this, Jonas the biggest
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The biggest question that comes out of that game for
me is not that they lost to San Francisco forty
nine ers. The biggest question that comes out of that
game for me is how are they going to play
and how are they going to react to this loss
against the Tennessee Titans. That's what I want to see
because this is a preseason. Week one has turned into
(05:13):
Veterans preseason game. That's what it is. Week one is
the Veterans four quarter preseason game. And like I said yesterday,
if you've never played at the level that these young
men and old heads are playing at, you can't even
begin to fathom how mentally and physically grueling and grinding
(05:39):
and taxing a four quarter game is. And you have
to get your body ready to go. So there, this
is the NFL's all intensive purposes. This is the NFL's
preseason right now.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Troy Aikman was making the point that it was just
sloppy playing through and through and so when you.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Saw again it's purely based upon all your starters getting
the first opportunities to play together. So some of the teams,
like you'll see how okay the forty nine ers seem
to have good continuity, especially on defense, and they were
able to do it up front and run the ball.
(06:21):
That's familiarity they have, They've had a coach for a while,
they have a lot of good things going for them.
So even with them, they're going to get better. Even
the teams that have won, they're going to get better.
Because I am going to bang the drum that this
is Veterans preseason, so I'm not going to get all
(06:42):
down on them. I'm just not high on them. Listen, Braden,
that one drive was pretty sweet though.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I mean it was pretty sweet, man.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I mean, if this is what we've wined a year for,
I was like, yeah, it was like.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Thirteen players or something like that. Just your old school
Let's just take your time, pick up some third downs,
you know, mix a run, mix a pass, and then
just have this beautiful touchdown that uh well it kind
of stands alone by itself, and then it was all
downhill from there.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I mean, it isn't downhill supposed to be good. You know,
you keep pushing it up and pushing and pushing it
and goes downhill.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
You know, the full disclosure. I went downhill yesterday I
was playing soccer with the girls, LeVar, I think I
might have broke my ankle. I'm not even one hundred
percent sure yet.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
No, but it sounds like you're being serious.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, I I I'll send you a photo, but it is.
It's one of those deals where it takes you back
to when you played, when you like had an injury.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what that is.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Well that because like right when I did it, and
obviously my I've got a four year old and I
probably said a word that she has not heard before.
And uh, I literally looked and I was kind of
laying there for a second and I heard a pop
and she's like, Daddy, what's wrong. I was like, just
grab the stuff. We gotta go.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We gotta go, we gotta go.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
And and then obviously I have a bunch of stuff
that like I've been through foot injuries, I've been through
ankle injuries. So I'm I'm like rehabbing immediately. I've got
a game this week and I have to prepare for
and as I'm doing all of this, what you do,
it's gonna hurt so bad the next day. How's it
feel now? Awful? Absolutely awful. Ice bucket it So there's
(08:26):
have you heard of the arp?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Is that the thing you put on like it's the
stem is shit?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So so you do an ice bucket, but you do
it with stem with stem. Yeah yeah. And then so
that's been helping. I've got all kinds of like little
things too. I'm trying to like figure out at this
hor that downfall all right, feels like very happened to
the Jets a little bit. It was like after that
first drive, I was like, oh, this is gonna probably
(08:54):
hurt worse tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I told you, man, like that's your thirties telling you
on the last final weeks. Hey, buddy, little little kiss
our ass.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
It was completely my fault. I'm a I'm one hundred
percent of more. On the shoes I was wearing were
not the shoes I should have been wearing for being
outside playing. We were like we're practicing soccer, and so
I was kind of like sliding and go kind of
kick and pass back. We're working on like quick touches anyway,
but it reminded me of the pain that remember when
(09:23):
you get you go on a long trip and you
get your butt bean and you get hit A decent
bout it's like that first game too, and you've got
that long flight back the next day. Is the worst
feeling about that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Because the toward all the next of the gods, it
wears off. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I mean, you know, at least you're being upfront
about it though, and you're letting everybody know immediately that
you had the injury.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
You know, like, who hasn't who hasn't done that? Well,
you know who hasn't done that? Jordan Mason of the
Niners was saying that he found out he was going
to be playing and starting Friday. Yeah, Which, how do
you feel about that? I thought that was a good question.
Did y'all think that was a trick question? When he
got asked this because he looked at the person interview
on him and was like, OS, Like, what day am
(10:11):
I supposed to say?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Kyle Shanahan then spoke about McCaffrey being out because we
didn't find out that McCaffrey was out. We knew he's
been dealing with this cafe issue, hasn't He hasn't really
practiced hardly at all throughout training camp, and we knew
he'd been dealing with it, but we didn't find out
until what a couple hours before kickoff that he was
going to be out, and so after Jordan Mason says, yeah,
I knew. On Friday, Kyle shannan talked about McCaffrey's status
(10:35):
and then addressed Jordan Mason's comments.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Just the same stuff that was bothering them all week.
There was a little too much today, game time decision.
He came in just talking to him about it. It was
still there. Thought it was gonna be smart to keep
him out, and glad we did.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Jordan said after the game he was told on Friday
night and he was going to start.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
When did Christian start feeling the cry? I never told
Jordan was going to start.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Told me he had to be ready a bunch, But
I might have been Bobby or somebody trying to pump
him up, but I knew he was gonna have to
play a lot, and told him that he was gonna
have to It was going to be like usual. He's
going to be a number two back that was splitting
a lot of the time.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
But now he didn't know. He for sure was doing that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Tull the day.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
So Jordan Mason then, of course, but you could tell
when he answered he was like, I don't know what
to say.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
He didn't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
He didn't know what to say.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
It's it's not illegal. I mean, here's the thing. As
far as the injury status of McCaffrey, I mean, even
if they told Mason he was starting, that doesn't impact
McCaffrey in the sense that, you know, if he's still
a game time decision's a game time decision, he might
not start. He might play a little amount to see,
so there's no there's no foul play there. If that's
what people were thinking, which that's what Cow sounded like.
(11:49):
He was saying, like you're going he's going to play
a bunch whether he was up or not. And and
everybody knew about what what McCaffrey was dealing with. But
Ken you ask this question, you guys, what you got
When you watch Jordan Mason run like that within this offense,
it makes me scratch my head and just go, why
do you pay McCaffrey then, I mean, I know how
(12:13):
great look, he's a great player. I mean he can
do it all. His running ability, his catching ability, like
use as a wide receiver. I get that portion of it.
But you watch that offense and by the way. This
isn't like, you know, we haven't seen other running backs
too step in, Like Jeff Wilson made his name initially
out in San Francisco being able to run effectively. There's
(12:35):
other running backs watched every Yeah, there you go. There's
other running backs that have just kind of fallen in
that system where they weren't really paying guys and they
were really effective, really good. So I look at it,
and guy, I know how Christian McCaffrey can be like
a Swiss army knife with what they have him do.
(12:55):
But eventually you're gonna have to play brock Purty, and
I just I mean, that's probably coming up next year.
They're not gonna get rid of McCaffrey before next year.
But it's like, I don't know, it seems like there's
a there's a lot of money tied up into them,
and if if we're being honest with ourselves, like they
can get that production running the football from other backs
as well. The way they block, the way they scheme
(13:16):
things up. It again, not taking anything away from McCaffrey,
it just seems like they would be able to do
without having to pay a running back that much. At
least what we've seen throughout Shanahan's time there in San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I'll say this one talk about money tied up into someone,
I see, We're going to get to that on our rundown.
But this, this this kid opened up everybody's eyes in
one singular game. He'll get another opportunity. I think that
there if there is consistency with what he's able to
(13:53):
do within their running attack, that puts McCaffrey on the clock.
But I think you when you have a talent like
Christian McCaffrey who can do all the things that he
can do, I mean, I don't see. I guess you
say you reward him for what it is that he's
(14:13):
bringing to the table, even though sensibly and practically speaking
having an offense that can produce multiple running backs to
do it. You know, you guys ran off names of
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
You think about the Mike Shanahan teams, you know, and
and how he was just going from one thousand rusher
to one thousand rusher to one thousand rusher over.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And over and over again. And here's the dude's name.
You said one time that I never even heard of him.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Oh Griffin, there there was there was Land orlandis Gary
like Anderson?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah? I remember who? Did I say? Maybe it was
a landa scared You're talking about one of the best
running backs and you had brought up a name and
I was like, dang, I don't even remember him.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I don't know, but he had been in that system.
I mean, there's so many of them. What was the one? Uh,
I'm I'm blanking on his name. I did a football
camp with him too. The point is they have a
they've had so much success with that zone blocking scheme,
(15:26):
and you saw it being executed at such a high level.
And the thing that, again, my question after that game,
enduring the game and watching the game, was not so
much about New York winning that game. I did not
see them being able to win this game. That was
just my take on it. The question became, what will
(15:51):
they do this week against Tennessee. That's gonna tell me
what I need to know. Because now, again, as we
mentioned yesterday yesterday on the show, there's now film, there's
now real game film. Here's their lineups for the most part,
unless there's injuries. But here's what they're going to run.
Here's what they were game planning this is going to
(16:11):
be literally, okay, we're going to see packages maybe based
off of this, but okay, we're seeing what they're going
to run this season, and as a defense or as
an offense.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Now you have film to.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Be like, okay, we're preparing for what we see this year,
and also based upon the film we put together from
years pass like last year, unless it's a new coaching
staff and you're still gonna find whatever it is they
did where they did it. The point is I want
to see ken Tennessee because their defense did not look bad.
(16:45):
They made it a game.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Can their defense they did touchdowns? Can their defense.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Shut down the New York offense enough to give their
offense the chance to actually send this team to zero
to two? And then now the biggest question to me becomes,
can this New York Jets team bounce back and win
a game that on paper they should win. That's the
bigger question for me.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Did you see any of the highlights from to and
Andre Sweat of Tennessee against the Bears on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
He's going to be a destroyer, like he is a
monster and.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
He's fast cat seeing ghost out.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Oh my, he literally ate them up inside and there
were at one point. They're just like, oh yeah, there's
nothing you could do about this guy, Like it's just
going to be a problem him and Simmons on that
defensive line. So I just like, and LaVar, you got
to mention the point. And this was I was thinking
it while I was watching the game, man Like, my
(17:51):
biggest concern was Rogers gets back healthy. Obviously there's gonna
be some rust, but what do they look like on offense?
I wasn't expecting the defense to look like, yeah, that destroyed.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Absolutely butchered, and it would be so the Jets if
Roger gets back healthy, plays really well this season off
and the defense lets them down and the defense can't
stop the run.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Which I said this before. Talent will never overcome dysfunction.
It finds a way like wait, I didn't know my
elbow was hurting. It wasn't hurting. Then why is it
hurting now? I don't know, but it is. That's like dysfunction.
Who you play for the Jets, That's why, some way,
(18:35):
somehow is going to go wrong until they show that.
It's not until you show that there's a cultural shift
from what it has been. It's it's going to be
what it is, and I'm not saying that's what it is.
I'm just saying, if we don't see this team live
up to the expectation of what their roster says, I
think that we clearly can look at what they've been
(18:58):
culture lee and understand that this is probably why they're
where they're at.
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it didn't look great. It didn't look great on the field,
and now doesn't look great off the field either. There
(21:16):
was a new lawsuit, this a civil lawsuit that was
filed in a Houston court on Monday that accuses Watson
of sexual assault and battery in October twenty twenty. That's
obviously when he was a member of the Houston Texans.
Apparently Watson met a woman. They wanted to take her
(21:38):
out on a date. She didn't want to go on
a date. She agreed to have dinner at her apartment.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Came He came over to the.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Apartment after he was frustrated not being able to find
the apartment, and according to this report, she was finishing
getting ready.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
She came out of her room. There he was nude
on the bed like belly Yeah, on his belly though,
make sure he do. The detail is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
He was face down and naked.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I'm not rupped out of out of his uh, his
gluteus maximism.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, he really wanted he really wanted to focus on
that area.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's all I need work on, Like, you don't need
to do anything else.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Yeah, that's cheeks and get them to get deep into
them cheeks.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So, now, if you followed any of this stuff in
the past, and you've looked up any of the details
on the accusations of the past.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
This is also similar. Like all of it is very similar.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
He's got It's not something to laugh at, to be honest, No,
but it's in some ways. I mean, you got, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It's not last And I think that we were making
making the point after he came back that this is
never going to go away.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It's never going to go away. And so now the
gift that will continue to keep giving.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
When you see how poorly he played, how bad that's
gone from a football standpoint.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
And you know, a team and a city is locked
into that guy being your guy because of the contract
that he has. Somebody somewhere, somehow, some way has a
vested interest in being able to get from underneath that contract.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Do you think if the Browns could get out of
this contract right now, they were.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Well, yes, last year they was a last year. My
first thought was this is friendly fire. I mean, I'm
saying that half serious. But if you look at the
details of this, my initial questions were, so this happened
(23:49):
in twenty twenty, why now, like, why is this lawsuit
servicing now?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Now it's with Tony Busby. He's been the attorney that's
represented the what twenty two other lawsuits allegations who had
the settlement, so you know, maybe he was trying to
get all the details. Who knows the rationale or the
reason as to why, But it seems a bit odd
(24:14):
that this incident happened around the same time as the
other women. Yet now it's coming out, and now they're
finding the lawsuit.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
And making sure they put the details out there. It's
getting it's in the media, so everybody. He's already getting
powered on by the media by the way he's playing
so perfect timing.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
And it's the only way you can get out from
underneath this contract contract. There's that's right. If there's something
that you do conduct detrimental like this that is within
the player conduct policy, that is how you avoid the guarantees. Now,
the only thing I don't know is, and this is
probably what his agent would say, and this is what
an attorney would say, is this happened in twenty twenty,
(25:00):
already covered this. You signed this to a contract that basically,
you know, went above and beyond like anything that comes
up with reservices from that time. Now, this happened last week,
six months ago, a year ago, different story. You have
been at Cleveland brown that's after the fact. But my
guess is that this will not change the contract status.
(25:23):
I could be completely wrong because it's a new allegation,
but that would be my guess as if it was
around the same timeframe. There won't be anything that really
changes in regards to his contract status with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I started thinking, if some way, somehow, because each person
that comes out it's it's new, it's new, like it's
not like a I don't criminally speaking, I don't know.
He never went on trial, so this isn't like a
double jeopardy, like he can't get go to travel again
for this. But he settled with all of those people
(26:01):
before it got that far. If I recall it correctly,
it's a little bit of the time that's passed, but
each time he brings a new person, Bugsby brings a
new person to the table. I feel like, if something
civilly sticks, then there's the possibility that a criminal charge
could come after that. Isn't that what happened to like
(26:23):
Bill Cosby or something like that, Like if something happened,
I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
The burden, the burden of proof for proving it criminally
is much more difficult than from a civil court of law, right,
so you really wouldn't you know, you really wouldn't look
to do kind of civil then maybe you could in
criminal it would be probably more criminal, and then you'd
go to civil very similar to kind of oj Simpson
(26:48):
where he was tried originally afterwards afterwards they tried him for.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
That was the only thing I could come up with
as to why this would come out now, is that
you find if you can find a way to get
this into a criminal criminal court, which the next thing
I thought about is, Okay, how much how much do
I gotta pay you to go away? Like what are
(27:15):
we settling for? Like get her out of here? That's
probably what Deshaun Watson side is thinking. It's still to
me chips away like it reminds. It brings back to
front of mine, to the fan base, to people what
he did or what he allegedly did, whatever is that happened,
(27:37):
And now that becomes a part of the conversation with
how he's playing. And I just wonder is what comes,
what comes from that? What there's got to be something
that the Browns are looking for to be able to
get away from Deshaun Watson. And I'm talking with a
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different quarterback possible this year, with Jameis Winston or.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Other coming in to play for this team.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
If he settles, like just talk about this case. If
he settles this, that's kind of an admission of some guilt.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But didn't he do that with the other ones? Didn't
he settle with the other ones?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, he was really defiant for a long time, but
he settled.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I think I'm pretty certain he settled and so and
maintained he's settled. He settled, but maintained his innocence throughout
everything that he says.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And I just wonder if maybe there's been discussions with him,
either from the Browns or the NFL, Roger Goodell or
somebody who said to Deshaun Watson, there's nothing else we
need to be worried about, right, Like, we want to
know that everything is out in the open, that you're
going to counseling whatever it.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Is that you're doing.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
That could be an angle, like, like is that an angle?
We want to know there's nothing else going on here
if there's legitimacy. If there's legitimacy too this claim, and
he's set with them, then that would have meant that
it happening in twenty twenty. He lied to the NFL
and he lied to the Browns about what else was
(29:10):
going on. And if that were the case, then you've
done a deal with without good good faith or what
is that all called? Like you did a deal with deception,
and there you can unravel a deal if a deal
was done and you were deceptive about something as egregious
as this, Right, it's called the weirdo clause.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Wow, Okay, that's damp in there the language.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yes, I don't know for a fact, so I'm sure
it might be a possibility, but I also think it's
a reach.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's it's a bit of a reacher again.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean, I've thrown it out there. There's there's probably
a good chance that the list of things that he
told the Browns, and maybe even told the NFL for
that matter, might have been greater than the numb of allegations.
He might have sent over a list of like thirty
(30:04):
who we don't even know how many. He might say
that there's this list of people just to cover his basis,
knowing that if he's getting this two and thirty million
dollar contract, he doesn't want to do anything that could
potentially prevent him from earning all those dollars.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Think about what we're like, what we're saying, But what
if he didn't even remember her?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
What if he don't even remember, like there's so many
of them.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Think about what we're like, well you missed that one.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Hey, Just to play it, say, if we're going to
round up and call it even thirty, like there's thirty
other possible.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
There's something that I'm telling you. There's something to this man.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
What is so they're claiming, by the way, just to
get back on the field quickly, this was one of
the worst performances we've ever seen in NFL history. That
he was zero for ten on pass on fifteen yards
in the air. And this is via CBS and it
was the worst track game in NFL history. So far,
(30:58):
people have been swelling up on him in the media.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I mean, there has been nothing positive in terms of
any conversation surrounding Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I told you guys this way back when this it
reminds me only of like the Tiger Woods kind of
situation in the sense of like his private his private
stuff became public. And now he's got to deal with
the fact that, you know, people are going to now
(31:27):
be able to, you know, think and say whatever they
want about him, and he's got to deal with that
and all those things. L's allegations are true to some degree, right,
I mean, he's settled. It wasn't like he went to
court to prove his innocence. That wasn't That wasn't the case.
And I understand at times, you know, people will settle
because they want things to go away, whether they think
(31:47):
they're true or not. We can have that, you know,
philosophical debate.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
But here he did a mission. When you do, sure,
yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
And so because of that, now it's like everyone knows
you're dirty. Laundry literally, I mean literally a lot of
dirty towels in there, but everyone knows it, and you've
got to be able to deal with people looking at
you and whispering about you and being oh, there's that guy,
and I mean everywhere he goes, and as much as
his agent, David Mulugeta, as much as other people who
(32:19):
support him, Ryan Clark or as QB coach whoever else,
as much as they want to try to make it
go away, it's not going to go away like people
who are friends with it. It's not going to go away.
It's gonna stick with him forever. And it doesn't help.
These allegations keep coming up. So you know, I'm not
sure if this allegation, if he had kept it from them,
what that would mean, only because I'm sure they covered
(32:40):
their basis when they agreed to this contract and saying, hey,
here's an entire list. And by the way, we've got
a clause in there that prohibit prohibits us from any
of this. You know that comes out from this time
taking away from these guarantees because you knew about it,
you signed up for it.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I don't know, man, I just think the timing is curious.
And with all of that being said, if something new,
a new allegation came out that you did not disclose
to them. I just feel like there's something there, there's
something there. You dealt with you dealt you. You did
(33:19):
a deal with me in deception. You did a deal
with me in deception. That's not good faith, that's not
good faith. And there's something. I feel like there's something
like this came out for a reason. The timing of
it is way too curious to me.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You just wonder if Cleveland's thrown in the towel on
this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
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Speaker 8 (36:06):
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Speaker 2 (36:13):
In case you missed this, I'm.
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Speaker 5 (36:20):
Lap, Did we miss you like crop dusting us before
you walked out? Did something happen before you walked out
or before you walked in?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
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Speaker 5 (36:29):
Something hit me in my face? My eyes are starting
to walk like did you did I miss that?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Usually I miss that, you know me, I like to
take credit.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
That's what I'm saying. Did you just because like that
there was a difference in the air.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
What's the last time you've been around a guy that's like, Oh,
I don't even know I did that high school. I
just I'm just saying. I don't know. If it was farts.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I mean, I'll never hide it.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I don't know if it was left behind.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
There's there might be something. There's something in the street.
There's a fly buzzing around there, I mean, and that
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Speaker 8 (37:04):
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Speaker 2 (37:04):
I am wearing my gym shorts, so that maybe.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
That's what it was. I got a whiff of something.
It hit me right in my face. My eyes is
water and go ahead, I missed that, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
That could be my fault.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
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Speaker 4 (37:27):
Had I never heard of this place?
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Apparently very popular sports bar in the DC area, offered
a promotion before the before Sunday that if New England
had upset uh Cincinnati, of course, that every single thing
on the menu on your tab would be free. Dang,
they got ripped apart for at least six thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's what they confirmed. That's not too bad. That's not bad.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I thought be like sixty thousand.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Well, they apparently haven't learned their lesson.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
They're holding the same promo this upcoming weekend where Seattle
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Speaker 4 (37:59):
Don't I'll get scared they're making money, then right, throw
away six thousand.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That's called mark up, mark up value. Just not what
they're paying for real.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Hell though, Jonas your brother is a bor. How bad
is the meat they're serving on methink for that?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I mean, look it's you.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You're not going to get like your top shelf menu
items or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I mean they're gonna rull out the bottom barrel stuff,
whatever's left in the freezer. Like, you know, but they
said he said everything on the menu though.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, but I would think that they're going to protect
themselves and not have the goods, you know, like we'll
leave the good stuff during the week, we'll throw out
the crap and let them win and take all that
with them.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
At sports bar, I'd be interested to see the menu.
Probably not not that expense. Some wings, you know, like
how did Cincinnati lose that game?
Speaker 4 (38:49):
The NFL?
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Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm not going to do.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
What everybody thinks I'm going to do.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I'm not go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Y'all are always right, So I just leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I don't have much to say about it. A great
game last night, though, huh depends on who you were.
I mean, you know, Frank Gore had a good time.
I saw Takeyo Spikes had a good time. You know,
there there were Patrick Willis was in the house. He
had a good time. I think guys were getting honored,
you know, with their red jacket. So yeah, it was
(01:54):
a good It was a good night.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, it's uh, it was a good night. If you're
down on the jets as well too, which yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
But you y'all be so definitive sometimes man, I just
don't get it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I don't know, but I can't stand on my business.
Yeah you can, I mean, I you know, listen.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It doesn't mean you I don't hear Q's Q there.
We are technical difficulties there.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
So because I love it when Q is right, because
he's always right, so I love it when he's super right.
And this is one of those moments, at least for
one week. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, I did not. Yeah, yeah, super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Winning New York.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Well yeah, super Bowl winning New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I don't want to be an MVP and world beater
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
All right, I want to be clear here. So I
chose it was I was so what I was saying,
what was.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Between the Jets and the Dolphins to win the AFC East?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
All Right?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I went with the Jets because I just said, screw
it didn't sound like it on show. I've just it
sounded like.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Y'all were both very very very very very very very
high on the New York Jets, and you still should be.
It's only week one. It was only week one, and
that was a very good team they played. And that
drive was nice by the Jets. Okay, the first one.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You know, it was just but I do feel like
I feel like there were bigger problems to come out
of that game. Most notably, they could not stop the
running and it wasn't Christian mccannon and.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
It wasn't McCaffrey, so they didn't found another threat out
of the backfield. So now you got a two headed
monster out of the backfield. Generally speaking, if you can
if you can create a running backs back committee, like
two running backs, three running backs, you think about like
the Giants what they had, uh forty nine Ers teams
(03:49):
when they had Roger Craig and and Rathman. I mean
you can you can name like Steeler teams, Various Steelers
teams had had running backs by committee.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
If you can get that.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Much production out of multiple backs in your backfield, your
offense can become pretty dynamic. It can become pretty especially
understanding that you have what you have on the outside
with your receivers. They were getting gashed inside the tackles.
It's not supposed to be the strength of this Jets.
(04:28):
This Jets football team is their defense, and their defense
was getting gashed. So I don't know, maybe it's because
it's Week one. Yeah, you know, I'm being dead serious.
I'm going to continue to bang the drum. This is
why I'm not I'm gonna say this, Jonas the biggest
(04:49):
The biggest question that comes out of that game for
me is not that they lost to San Francisco forty
nine ers. The biggest question that comes out of that
game for me is how are they going to play
and how are they going to react to this loss
against the Tennessee Titans. That's what I want to see
because this is a preseason. Week one has turned into
(05:13):
Veterans preseason game. That's what it is. Week one is
the Veterans four quarter preseason game. And like I said yesterday,
if you've never played at the level that these young
men and old heads are playing at, you can't even
begin to fathom how mentally and physically grueling and grinding
(05:39):
and taxing a four quarter game is. And you have
to get your body ready to go. So there, this
is the NFL's all intensive purposes. This is the NFL's
preseason right now.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Troy Aikman was making the point that it was just
sloppy playing through and through and so when you.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Saw again it's purely based upon all your starters getting
the first opportunities to play together. So some of the teams,
like you'll see how okay the forty nine ers seem
to have good continuity, especially on defense, and they were
able to do it up front and run the ball.
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That's familiarity they have, They've had a coach for a while,
they have a lot of good things going for them.
So even with them, they're going to get better. Even
the teams that have won, they're going to get better.
Because I am going to bang the drum that this
is Veterans preseason, so I'm not going to get all
(06:42):
down on them. I'm just not high on them. Listen, Braden,
that one drive was pretty sweet though.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I mean it was pretty sweet, man.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I mean, if this is what we've wined a year for,
I was like, yeah, it was like.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Thirteen players or something like that. Just your old school
Let's just take your time, pick up some third downs,
you know, mix a run, mix a pass, and then
just have this beautiful touchdown that uh well it kind
of stands alone by itself, and then it was all
downhill from there.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I mean, it isn't downhill supposed to be good. You know,
you keep pushing it up and pushing and pushing it
and goes downhill.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
You know, the full disclosure. I went downhill yesterday I
was playing soccer with the girls, LeVar, I think I
might have broke my ankle. I'm not even one hundred
percent sure yet.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
No, but it sounds like you're being serious.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, I I I'll send you a photo, but it is.
It's one of those deals where it takes you back
to when you played, when you like had an injury.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what that is.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Well that because like right when I did it, and
obviously my I've got a four year old and I
probably said a word that she has not heard before.
And uh, I literally looked and I was kind of
laying there for a second and I heard a pop
and she's like, Daddy, what's wrong. I was like, just
grab the stuff. We gotta go.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We gotta go, we gotta go.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
And and then obviously I have a bunch of stuff
that like I've been through foot injuries, I've been through
ankle injuries. So I'm I'm like rehabbing immediately. I've got
a game this week and I have to prepare for
and as I'm doing all of this, what you do,
it's gonna hurt so bad the next day. How's it
feel now? Awful? Absolutely awful. Ice bucket it So there's
(08:26):
have you heard of the arp?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Is that the thing you put on like it's the
stem is shit?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So so you do an ice bucket, but you do
it with stem with stem. Yeah yeah. And then so
that's been helping. I've got all kinds of like little
things too. I'm trying to like figure out at this
hor that downfall all right, feels like very happened to
the Jets a little bit. It was like after that
first drive, I was like, oh, this is gonna probably
(08:54):
hurt worse tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I told you, man, like that's your thirties telling you
on the last final weeks. Hey, buddy, little little kiss
our ass.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
It was completely my fault. I'm a I'm one hundred
percent of more. On the shoes I was wearing were
not the shoes I should have been wearing for being
outside playing. We were like we're practicing soccer, and so
I was kind of like sliding and go kind of
kick and pass back. We're working on like quick touches anyway,
but it reminded me of the pain that remember when
(09:23):
you get you go on a long trip and you
get your butt bean and you get hit A decent
bout it's like that first game too, and you've got
that long flight back the next day. Is the worst
feeling about that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Because the toward all the next of the gods, it
wears off. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I mean, you know, at least you're being upfront
about it though, and you're letting everybody know immediately that
you had the injury.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
You know, like, who hasn't who hasn't done that? Well,
you know who hasn't done that? Jordan Mason of the
Niners was saying that he found out he was going
to be playing and starting Friday. Yeah, Which, how do
you feel about that? I thought that was a good question.
Did y'all think that was a trick question? When he
got asked this because he looked at the person interview
on him and was like, OS, Like, what day am
(10:11):
I supposed to say?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Kyle Shanahan then spoke about McCaffrey being out because we
didn't find out that McCaffrey was out. We knew he's
been dealing with this cafe issue, hasn't He hasn't really
practiced hardly at all throughout training camp, and we knew
he'd been dealing with it, but we didn't find out
until what a couple hours before kickoff that he was
going to be out, and so after Jordan Mason says, yeah,
I knew. On Friday, Kyle shannan talked about McCaffrey's status
(10:35):
and then addressed Jordan Mason's comments.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Just the same stuff that was bothering them all week.
There was a little too much today, game time decision.
He came in just talking to him about it. It was
still there. Thought it was gonna be smart to keep
him out, and glad we did.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Jordan said after the game he was told on Friday
night and he was going to start.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
When did Christian start feeling the cry? I never told
Jordan was going to start.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Told me he had to be ready a bunch, But
I might have been Bobby or somebody trying to pump
him up, but I knew he was gonna have to
play a lot, and told him that he was gonna
have to It was going to be like usual. He's
going to be a number two back that was splitting
a lot of the time.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
But now he didn't know. He for sure was doing that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Tull the day.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
So Jordan Mason then, of course, but you could tell
when he answered he was like, I don't know what
to say.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
He didn't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
He didn't know what to say.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
It's it's not illegal. I mean, here's the thing. As
far as the injury status of McCaffrey, I mean, even
if they told Mason he was starting, that doesn't impact
McCaffrey in the sense that, you know, if he's still
a game time decision's a game time decision, he might
not start. He might play a little amount to see,
so there's no there's no foul play there. If that's
what people were thinking, which that's what Cow sounded like.
(11:49):
He was saying, like you're going he's going to play
a bunch whether he was up or not. And and
everybody knew about what what McCaffrey was dealing with. But
Ken you ask this question, you guys, what you got
When you watch Jordan Mason run like that within this offense,
it makes me scratch my head and just go, why
do you pay McCaffrey then, I mean, I know how
(12:13):
great look, he's a great player. I mean he can
do it all. His running ability, his catching ability, like
use as a wide receiver. I get that portion of it.
But you watch that offense and by the way. This
isn't like, you know, we haven't seen other running backs
too step in, Like Jeff Wilson made his name initially
out in San Francisco being able to run effectively. There's
(12:35):
other running backs watched every Yeah, there you go. There's
other running backs that have just kind of fallen in
that system where they weren't really paying guys and they
were really effective, really good. So I look at it,
and guy, I know how Christian McCaffrey can be like
a Swiss army knife with what they have him do.
(12:55):
But eventually you're gonna have to play brock Purty, and
I just I mean, that's probably coming up next year.
They're not gonna get rid of McCaffrey before next year.
But it's like, I don't know, it seems like there's
a there's a lot of money tied up into them,
and if if we're being honest with ourselves, like they
can get that production running the football from other backs
as well. The way they block, the way they scheme
(13:16):
things up. It again, not taking anything away from McCaffrey,
it just seems like they would be able to do
without having to pay a running back that much. At
least what we've seen throughout Shanahan's time there in San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
I'll say this one talk about money tied up into someone,
I see, We're going to get to that on our rundown.
But this, this this kid opened up everybody's eyes in
one singular game. He'll get another opportunity. I think that
there if there is consistency with what he's able to
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do within their running attack, that puts McCaffrey on the clock.
But I think you when you have a talent like
Christian McCaffrey who can do all the things that he
can do, I mean, I don't see. I guess you
say you reward him for what it is that he's
(14:13):
bringing to the table, even though sensibly and practically speaking
having an offense that can produce multiple running backs to
do it. You know, you guys ran off names of
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
You think about the Mike Shanahan teams, you know, and
and how he was just going from one thousand rusher
to one thousand rusher to one thousand rusher over.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And over and over again. And here's the dude's name.
You said one time that I never even heard of him.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Oh Griffin, there there was there was Land orlandis Gary
like Anderson?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah? I remember who? Did I say? Maybe it was
a landa scared You're talking about one of the best
running backs and you had brought up a name and
I was like, dang, I don't even remember him.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I don't know, but he had been in that system.
I mean, there's so many of them. What was the one? Uh,
I'm I'm blanking on his name. I did a football
camp with him too. The point is they have a
they've had so much success with that zone blocking scheme,
(15:26):
and you saw it being executed at such a high level.
And the thing that, again, my question after that game,
enduring the game and watching the game, was not so
much about New York winning that game. I did not
see them being able to win this game. That was
just my take on it. The question became, what will
(15:51):
they do this week against Tennessee. That's gonna tell me
what I need to know. Because now, again, as we
mentioned yesterday yesterday on the show, there's now film, there's
now real game film. Here's their lineups for the most part,
unless there's injuries. But here's what they're going to run.
Here's what they were game planning this is going to
(16:11):
be literally, okay, we're going to see packages maybe based
off of this, but okay, we're seeing what they're going
to run this season, and as a defense or as
an offense.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Now you have film to.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Be like, okay, we're preparing for what we see this year,
and also based upon the film we put together from
years pass like last year, unless it's a new coaching
staff and you're still gonna find whatever it is they
did where they did it. The point is I want
to see ken Tennessee because their defense did not look bad.
(16:45):
They made it a game.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Can their defense they did touchdowns? Can their defense.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Shut down the New York offense enough to give their
offense the chance to actually send this team to zero
to two? And then now the biggest question to me becomes,
can this New York Jets team bounce back and win
a game that on paper they should win. That's the
bigger question for me.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Did you see any of the highlights from to and
Andre Sweat of Tennessee against the Bears on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
He's going to be a destroyer, like he is a
monster and.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
He's fast cat seeing ghost out.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Oh my, he literally ate them up inside and there
were at one point. They're just like, oh yeah, there's
nothing you could do about this guy, Like it's just
going to be a problem him and Simmons on that
defensive line. So I just like, and LaVar, you got
to mention the point. And this was I was thinking
it while I was watching the game, man Like, my
(17:51):
biggest concern was Rogers gets back healthy. Obviously there's gonna
be some rust, but what do they look like on offense?
I wasn't expecting the defense to look like, yeah, that destroyed.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Absolutely butchered, and it would be so the Jets if
Roger gets back healthy, plays really well this season off
and the defense lets them down and the defense can't
stop the run.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Which I said this before. Talent will never overcome dysfunction.
It finds a way like wait, I didn't know my
elbow was hurting. It wasn't hurting. Then why is it
hurting now? I don't know, but it is. That's like dysfunction.
Who you play for the Jets, That's why, some way,
(18:35):
somehow is going to go wrong until they show that.
It's not until you show that there's a cultural shift
from what it has been. It's it's going to be
what it is, and I'm not saying that's what it is.
I'm just saying, if we don't see this team live
up to the expectation of what their roster says, I
think that we clearly can look at what they've been
(18:58):
culture lee and understand that this is probably why they're
where they're at.
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it didn't look great. It didn't look great on the field,
and now doesn't look great off the field either. There
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was a new lawsuit, this a civil lawsuit that was
filed in a Houston court on Monday that accuses Watson
of sexual assault and battery in October twenty twenty. That's
obviously when he was a member of the Houston Texans.
Apparently Watson met a woman. They wanted to take her
(21:38):
out on a date. She didn't want to go on
a date. She agreed to have dinner at her apartment.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Came He came over to the.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Apartment after he was frustrated not being able to find
the apartment, and according to this report, she was finishing
getting ready.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
She came out of her room. There he was nude
on the bed like belly Yeah, on his belly though,
make sure he do. The detail is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
He was face down and naked.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I'm not rupped out of out of his uh, his
gluteus maximism.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, he really wanted he really wanted to focus on
that area.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's all I need work on, Like, you don't need
to do anything else.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Yeah, that's cheeks and get them to get deep into
them cheeks.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So, now, if you followed any of this stuff in
the past, and you've looked up any of the details
on the accusations of the past.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
This is also similar. Like all of it is very similar.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
He's got It's not something to laugh at, to be honest, No,
but it's in some ways. I mean, you got, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It's not last And I think that we were making
making the point after he came back that this is
never going to go away.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It's never going to go away. And so now the
gift that will continue to keep giving.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
When you see how poorly he played, how bad that's
gone from a football standpoint.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
And you know, a team and a city is locked
into that guy being your guy because of the contract
that he has. Somebody somewhere, somehow, some way has a
vested interest in being able to get from underneath that contract.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Do you think if the Browns could get out of
this contract right now, they were.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Well, yes, last year they was a last year. My
first thought was this is friendly fire. I mean, I'm
saying that half serious. But if you look at the
details of this, my initial questions were, so this happened
(23:49):
in twenty twenty, why now, like, why is this lawsuit
servicing now?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Now it's with Tony Busby. He's been the attorney that's
represented the what twenty two other lawsuits allegations who had
the settlement, so you know, maybe he was trying to
get all the details. Who knows the rationale or the
reason as to why, But it seems a bit odd
(24:14):
that this incident happened around the same time as the
other women. Yet now it's coming out, and now they're
finding the lawsuit.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
And making sure they put the details out there. It's
getting it's in the media, so everybody. He's already getting
powered on by the media by the way he's playing
so perfect timing.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
And it's the only way you can get out from
underneath this contract contract. There's that's right. If there's something
that you do conduct detrimental like this that is within
the player conduct policy, that is how you avoid the guarantees. Now,
the only thing I don't know is, and this is
probably what his agent would say, and this is what
an attorney would say, is this happened in twenty twenty,
(25:00):
already covered this. You signed this to a contract that basically,
you know, went above and beyond like anything that comes
up with reservices from that time. Now, this happened last week,
six months ago, a year ago, different story. You have
been at Cleveland brown that's after the fact. But my
guess is that this will not change the contract status.
(25:23):
I could be completely wrong because it's a new allegation,
but that would be my guess as if it was
around the same timeframe. There won't be anything that really
changes in regards to his contract status with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I started thinking, if some way, somehow, because each person
that comes out it's it's new, it's new, like it's
not like a I don't criminally speaking, I don't know.
He never went on trial, so this isn't like a
double jeopardy, like he can't get go to travel again
for this. But he settled with all of those people
(26:01):
before it got that far. If I recall it correctly,
it's a little bit of the time that's passed, but
each time he brings a new person, Bugsby brings a
new person to the table. I feel like, if something
civilly sticks, then there's the possibility that a criminal charge
could come after that. Isn't that what happened to like
(26:23):
Bill Cosby or something like that, Like if something happened,
I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
The burden, the burden of proof for proving it criminally
is much more difficult than from a civil court of law, right,
so you really wouldn't you know, you really wouldn't look
to do kind of civil then maybe you could in
criminal it would be probably more criminal, and then you'd
go to civil very similar to kind of oj Simpson
(26:48):
where he was tried originally afterwards afterwards they tried him for.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
That was the only thing I could come up with
as to why this would come out now, is that
you find if you can find a way to get
this into a criminal criminal court, which the next thing
I thought about is, Okay, how much how much do
I gotta pay you to go away? Like what are
(27:15):
we settling for? Like get her out of here? That's
probably what Deshaun Watson side is thinking. It's still to
me chips away like it reminds. It brings back to
front of mine, to the fan base, to people what
he did or what he allegedly did, whatever is that happened,
(27:37):
And now that becomes a part of the conversation with
how he's playing. And I just wonder is what comes,
what comes from that? What there's got to be something
that the Browns are looking for to be able to
get away from Deshaun Watson. And I'm talking with a
(27:58):
different quarterback possible this year, with Jameis Winston or.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Other coming in to play for this team.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
If he settles, like just talk about this case. If
he settles this, that's kind of an admission of some guilt.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But didn't he do that with the other ones? Didn't
he settle with the other ones?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, he was really defiant for a long time, but
he settled.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I think I'm pretty certain he settled and so and
maintained he's settled. He settled, but maintained his innocence throughout
everything that he says.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And I just wonder if maybe there's been discussions with him,
either from the Browns or the NFL, Roger Goodell or
somebody who said to Deshaun Watson, there's nothing else we
need to be worried about, right, Like, we want to
know that everything is out in the open, that you're
going to counseling whatever it.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Is that you're doing.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
That could be an angle, like, like is that an angle?
We want to know there's nothing else going on here
if there's legitimacy. If there's legitimacy too this claim, and
he's set with them, then that would have meant that
it happening in twenty twenty. He lied to the NFL
and he lied to the Browns about what else was
(29:10):
going on. And if that were the case, then you've
done a deal with without good good faith or what
is that all called? Like you did a deal with deception,
and there you can unravel a deal if a deal
was done and you were deceptive about something as egregious
as this, Right, it's called the weirdo clause.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Wow, Okay, that's damp in there the language.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yes, I don't know for a fact, so I'm sure
it might be a possibility, but I also think it's
a reach.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's it's a bit of a reacher again.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean, I've thrown it out there. There's there's probably
a good chance that the list of things that he
told the Browns, and maybe even told the NFL for
that matter, might have been greater than the numb of allegations.
He might have sent over a list of like thirty
(30:04):
who we don't even know how many. He might say
that there's this list of people just to cover his basis,
knowing that if he's getting this two and thirty million
dollar contract, he doesn't want to do anything that could
potentially prevent him from earning all those dollars.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Think about what we're like, what we're saying, But what
if he didn't even remember her?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
What if he don't even remember, like there's so many
of them.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Think about what we're like, well you missed that one.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Hey, Just to play it, say, if we're going to
round up and call it even thirty, like there's thirty
other possible.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
There's something that I'm telling you. There's something to this man.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
What is so they're claiming, by the way, just to
get back on the field quickly, this was one of
the worst performances we've ever seen in NFL history. That
he was zero for ten on pass on fifteen yards
in the air. And this is via CBS and it
was the worst track game in NFL history. So far,
(30:58):
people have been swelling up on him in the media.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I mean, there has been nothing positive in terms of
any conversation surrounding Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I told you guys this way back when this it
reminds me only of like the Tiger Woods kind of
situation in the sense of like his private his private
stuff became public. And now he's got to deal with
the fact that, you know, people are going to now
(31:27):
be able to, you know, think and say whatever they
want about him, and he's got to deal with that
and all those things. L's allegations are true to some degree, right,
I mean, he's settled. It wasn't like he went to
court to prove his innocence. That wasn't That wasn't the case.
And I understand at times, you know, people will settle
because they want things to go away, whether they think
(31:47):
they're true or not. We can have that, you know,
philosophical debate.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
But here he did a mission. When you do, sure,
yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
And so because of that, now it's like everyone knows
you're dirty. Laundry literally, I mean literally a lot of
dirty towels in there, but everyone knows it, and you've
got to be able to deal with people looking at
you and whispering about you and being oh, there's that guy,
and I mean everywhere he goes, and as much as
his agent, David Mulugeta, as much as other people who
(32:19):
support him, Ryan Clark or as QB coach whoever else,
as much as they want to try to make it
go away, it's not going to go away like people
who are friends with it. It's not going to go away.
It's gonna stick with him forever. And it doesn't help.
These allegations keep coming up. So you know, I'm not
sure if this allegation, if he had kept it from them,
what that would mean, only because I'm sure they covered
(32:40):
their basis when they agreed to this contract and saying, hey,
here's an entire list. And by the way, we've got
a clause in there that prohibit prohibits us from any
of this. You know that comes out from this time
taking away from these guarantees because you knew about it,
you signed up for it.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I don't know, man, I just think the timing is curious.
And with all of that being said, if something new,
a new allegation came out that you did not disclose
to them. I just feel like there's something there, there's
something there. You dealt with you dealt you. You did
(33:19):
a deal with me in deception. You did a deal
with me in deception. That's not good faith, that's not
good faith. And there's something. I feel like there's something
like this came out for a reason. The timing of
it is way too curious to me.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You just wonder if Cleveland's thrown in the towel on
this whole thing.
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Speaker 8 (36:06):
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Speaker 5 (36:29):
Something hit me in my face? My eyes are starting
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That's what I'm saying. Did you just because like that
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I don't even know I did that high school. I
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I don't know if it was left behind.
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There's there might be something. There's something in the street.
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I am wearing my gym shorts, so that maybe.
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That's what it was. I got a whiff of something.
It hit me right in my face. My eyes is
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That could be my fault.
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That's what they confirmed. That's not too bad. That's not bad.
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I thought be like sixty thousand.
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Don't I'll get scared they're making money, then right, throw
away six thousand.
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That's called mark up, mark up value. Just not what
they're paying for real.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Hell though, Jonas your brother is a bor. How bad
is the meat they're serving on methink for that?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I mean, look it's you.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You're not going to get like your top shelf menu
items or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I mean they're gonna rull out the bottom barrel stuff,
whatever's left in the freezer. Like, you know, but they
said he said everything on the menu though.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, but I would think that they're going to protect
themselves and not have the goods, you know, like we'll
leave the good stuff during the week, we'll throw out
the crap and let them win and take all that
with them.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
At sports bar, I'd be interested to see the menu.
Probably not not that expense. Some wings, you know, like
how did Cincinnati lose that game?
Speaker 4 (38:49):
The NFL?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Baby, what is happening here?
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