September 12, 2024 • 37 mins
Aaron Rodgers is out of line telling Jets fans how to feel. Ravens’ Kyle Van Noy calls out the Chiefs medical staff which is already under scrutiny. Daniel Jones struggles but the Giants Way is the real problem. Plus, a TNF parlay party from Draft Kings.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
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D Losa apartment in the sky. I get it right now,
up to the eas side. We finally got.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
A piece of Yeah you got one last night to
need it. Got me some banana pie. Yeah, where is it?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I don't know. Forgot all about it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I planned on eating it. A few things are fuzzy
for me from yesterday, man, Like I had a good time.
I was hanging out with my man, Steve Khim yesterday
shots out the Big Steve. We was talking shop, man.
But while we was talking shop, we was drinking Casamigo's
mascow and pineapple. And before you knew it, we had
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just had like four or five of them, or maybe
six doubles.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So when I saw y'all, when I got to y'all,
I was trying to like clear my head, get myself back,
you know, to where I needed to get myself to.
So I forgot about that pie. It's not that I
didn't want to eat it, because when I when I
got it, I definitely was like, I'm going to enjoy
this pie.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
But you know, I forgot about it. So what happened
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Speaker 3 (02:20):
Believe is eleventh of the year thus far. So these
are getting that hand.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
But we were at the event yesterday hanging out with
the great folks from Rapid Radios, and a gentleman from
the restaurant that we were at came around and gave
everybody a card for Hey, next time you're hear a
free banana cream pie. I guess it's like they're what
they're known for. They do a really good banana cream pie.
And so Levar's like, well, I won't. Yeah, let me
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cash my card. And now I'd like, IY, next time
I come back. So I walk out right now, So
I walk out of the restaurant with you and your wife.
You're holding onto this pie like you've got the golden
ticket from Willie Walker.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Then you never ate it, damn. So that things just somewhere.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I mean, I have my card if you want to,
if you want to go back and get an that one.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Appreciate you. Oh man, Well listen, it was a good time.
It was a good time. Man. It was fun. But
here's what wasn't fun. Monday night football.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
The New York Jets, who got exposed and battered around
by the San Francisco forty nine ers, even with Christian
McCaffrey out. Backup Jordan Mason stepped in and ran all
over him. Now, Robert Solid did promise in talking with
the media yesterday he has no concerns about the defense
that will get fixed, like and that really was the issue.
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Was the defense was the problem, no concerns whatsoever. He
feels like it is definitely going to get fixed. Aaron
Rodgers has also taken a similar approach, like, hey, listen,
people got to calm down. Everything's gonna be okay. Let's
listen to Rogers yesterday.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I think we always got to stay relaxed. It's a
long season. I think at times people think the season
is like you're out in the prairie or the desert
and you're wandering around trying to find water. But it's
more like a nice slow ballero you know, where we're
just swaying with the music and reacting to whatever comes
through comes to us and through us, and just trying
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to uh not get too high with the highs.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Or too low with the lows.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
The league is a lot different than what I said
and relaxed years ago in that there's just so much
more coverage that there's so much more opportunity for overreaction.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I mean that's not wrong, No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
He's so sophisticated in his approach, you know what I mean,
Like like he's so enlightened, very elevated. It's a very
measured guy. You know, all right, but you better win soon.
You better win soon, because let me tell you something
that ain't Green Bay Jack, that's New York and that
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this league is different than the times when you say relax,
you damn right. But I'll tell you what ain't different
New York media. They always been on that ass. If
you win your hero. If you don't, you are the hell,
and they will get all up in it. Believe you me,
you don't deliver. They got you, We got you. So
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he went to the right market in order to try
to whatever it is, booster boost whatever he's doing in
his career, which who knows why that is even necessary,
but it is what it is. They have Tennessee this week. Tennessee.
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Tennessee is a team that, in my estimation.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Could vary.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I won't say easily. They could beat this Jets team.
They have enough, They have enough defense where they can
win a game against a Jets team at home. And so,
like I said on Monday or Tuesday, if if this
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team can't go into Nashville and get a win against Tennessee,
I know we didn't. We said don't panic after week one,
and I agree with that. There's no reason to panic
after week one, Well unless you the Browns, I wouldn't
even panic. If I'm the Browns just yet, only team
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i'd say you should panic, but you should already have
been panicking anyway. Is Carolina? That's the only team you
said there'd be a team that does worse than now,
I don't remember what team that was. You says, yeah, yeah,
I say sure, it's gonna mess around and be two.
I just do not feel as though if if this
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and listen to games is a small sample size, but
if they can't go in and win against the Tennessee
Titans in week two, it could it could get pretty
interesting for the New York Jets, And they could get
really interesting for Aaron Rodgers. And it could get super
super interesting for Robert Salah, Like does he even make
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it through the season?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like is his is it? Now?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
The clock is ticking on what day he's going to
be canned as the head coach of the New York Jets? Like,
think about it? They so they have the Titans, then
they have the Packers. Oh no, excuse me, that's the Titans.
Let me let me go back to the Jets. The
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Jets have the Titans coming up and then I do
believe they have the Patriots, right, Yep, they have the Patriots,
which that now turns into a ridiculously big game. Think
about it. The Jets could potentially be coming into a
game with a divisional rival that was estimated to be
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a trash team, and the roles could be reversed. You
could have a two and oh Patriots team going against
the O and two Jets team in Week three.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, you could. I think the Jets will win this weekend.
But here's this is what I would say.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You think that the Cleveland Browns are going to win
the AFC North.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I never said that. I picked the Bengals. Trust me.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
That what they lost to doing it, I agree, Like
that's a I don't feel great about that at this
point in time. But I will say this, So you
and I live in southern California. Would would you say
that we're spoiled by really.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Good Mexican food out here? Yes? All right?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
So like we like, I've had it in different places,
and so the bar for us out here is very high,
very high.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
All right.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
You know what's a great place to be the only
or average Mexican food place in Alaska? You don't know
why because the bar is real low, Like there's no
other spot in town, so you could roll out whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You want to get in avocados in Alaska.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Figure it out, like buy a pair and tell everybody
it's an avocado or they're not gonna know the difference.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Who cares.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
But the point is if the bar is low, it
changes the way you feel about things. If the Jets
win ten games this year, would you consider that a
success for the Jets?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yes, for the Jets, yes, And that's the point. But
that's not is that what they're being measured on internally.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
But the point is they've done that once in the
last fifteen years. So maybe they won't be a super
Bowl team, but they're gonna be in contention for a
playoff spot. They might even be a wildcard team, and
based whatever the hell happens in the AFCs, who knows,
maybe they'll compete for the division they're not. But I
don't look at the Jets and go, man, what we
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saw on Monday Night football. That's a problem because this
doesn't look like a super Bowl team. My bar for
the Jets isn't the super Bowl. My bar for the
Jets is just be better than you've been the last
fifteen years, and that's a low place to be, and
I think they can pull that.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Off and thus like a horrible approach, like you didn't
bring in Aaron Rodgers, you didn't draft the way you draft,
you don't have the you know which, by the way,
Tyrann's Tyron Smith was freaking a costing Nick Bosa like
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talk about.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Legally or illegally, I mean it was both.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
They should have came and arrested him after that football game,
the way he was holding and grabbing that man. I
just really think that you can't say that winning ten
games or making it to the wild card is good
enough when you've done what you've done, not even mentioned,
not even to mention the fact that where you brought
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Robert Salah from and how well he was doing with
the San Francisco forty nine ers when they went and
got him. I just don't think that you have expectations
that are based upon a bar being set so low
that you can exceed that bar, especially in the New
York market. I just don't think that works. I really don't.
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I don't think that's the way. I don't I don't
think that plays out well. But I've not been on
the New York Jets bandwagon to begin with, so regardless
of anything, I just don't see. I'm not a believer
that again that talent can outperform dysfunction. And from all
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things I've heard and I've seen, this looks like the
a classic one of those franchises that is a dysfunctional
franchise top to bottom.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I mean, if you're a Jets fan and you really
believed that that you're in contention for a Super Bowl
this year, then you've got the iq of a spork
like like stop, like the your you should just be
trying to have a successful run.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Like look the Rex Ryan years.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
We can you know, poke fun and all that stuff,
but they were in AFC title games a couple of times,
I believe, back to back years like this idea that
they're going to dictate what is deemed success and we
hold them to a high.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Bar, Like what high bar?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Like the Giants, I can understand they're super Bowls there
the Jets, there's not. So if you're a Jets fan
and you are, and Rogers made the point and people
kind of push back on it to where he said, hey, listen,
if you're a Jets fan and you think, you know
you want to get out of here, and you don't.
You want to jump off the boat. That's fine, you
can leave now, but don't come back. He should say that,
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like like who are you to determine?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Enough? But who are you to determine? Like what is
considered successful or not? You wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But he don't need to be attacking a fan base
that he's done absolutely zero for thus far.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I don't know if it was sense. I don't know
if it was attacking. And more so, just like listen,
like let's threating threatening?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
What what is that buttling? Refuting what? He don't need this?
Like that's not the road he needs to go down
where he's at right now.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Hey, you want to be on this boat. Come on,
if you don't go swim with the sharks, go out
there and go.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Try swimming with them anyway, Like that boat might be
taking on water.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Jets are gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Okay, you guys, you know you gotta you gotta stop
being so negative all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well I'm not. I'm just down on them. I'm not negative.
Just you know, ask me about a different team. I
might be different about him. That team in particular, gives
me no reason to believe that the correlation of what
we've seen from this team is that they're trending up.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
By the way, you want to know who's got it
worse than them, So Dave Canalis, who's the head coach
of the Panthers, you know, David Tepper, the guy who
roughs up people at at bars and they have signs
out in front that are critical of the team and
then throws, you know, cups of acid on fans at
Jaguars game if they if they bow the team or
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a hard time. So David Tepfer, uh, he has meetings
with coaches after every game. And so Dave Canalice said, yeah,
I met with Dave and he was nothing but supportive
to me. Hey, buddy, let me tell you something. If
this continues to look like it did, like it's going
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to be another one and done for the Carolina. But
like David Tepper and the Carolina Panthers are are veering
towards worst run organizations we've seen in the NFL a
long time. Not saying from any scandals or anything like that,
because because you would know being in Washington, how that
stuff all put out. And I would Well, I'm just
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saying you were there with a little dad, right, But
we're talking we speak that me, Ricky Bobby, We're talking
Matt Rule, We're talking Frank Reich, We're talking Dave Canalis
like they like he might actually pull this off and
just got everybody. And the guy who's gonna have to
wear it is Bryce Young, whose career is never going
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to take off because he ended up in the worst situation.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
In the NFL, and they'll call him a bus.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
So if you are a team out there, in an
organization out there and you're frustrated with your franchise.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Just look at Carolina. That's it could always be worse,
that's it, unless you're a Carolina Panthers here.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah. And if you can't be worse, yeah, not as
an NFL team. If you are, go root for the
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from now. Var There's a little bit of an issue
somebody has with the Chiefs. All right, they're the best
team in the NFL, the defending Super Bowl champions two
times over there in the midst of a dynasty. But
apparently their medical staff is not highly thought of. Kyle
Vanoy of the Ravens, he was on the McCoy and
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van Oy podcast and he had an issue pop up
last Thursday night where he broke his orbital bone, and
apparently he was not thrilled with the delay in the
response from the Chiefs medical staff there in case, let's
take a listen.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
They took an entire quarter to get down to talk
to me in the locker room, which to me is
unacceptable because then you start thinking, you know, what if
I was trying to go back in the game, what
if I was, you.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Know, really really hurt.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I know mine was happening to be moderate, but it
still was serious because it's an I and you know,
your expectation of someone to be down there as the
training staff asked him to be down there would have
had a little bit more urgency as a player, You're
expect people have that expectation of you being professional handling business.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
That's crazy in a time.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
And need I wanted that from them, and I felt
like I didn't get it.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
How often is that or how prevalent is that where
you're on the road and the medical staff that you're
depending on when you need help comes up short.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's that's a that's a hard one to answer because
I feel as though in the medical aspect of things,
your you are in a unique situation and position where
you have to purely trust what what's being done. Now
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he's talking about if I heard it correctly, like a
lack of responsiveness, like a lack of response time.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Did I hear that correctly? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
He thought it took too long. So I will say this,
And I've never been in a situation where jumping to
the assistance of an injury that I had, or even
seeing teammates that had an injury. I never seen a
casual approach to taking too long to do something. Maybe
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they might not have known the severity of what was
going on right away based upon one reason or another.
Players like to hide injuries sometimes as well. But if
this was a case where he was truly hurt and
this was something where he was needing medical attention, I've
never really seen a situation where a team doesn't give
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a guy medical attention that's in need of it. So
that's a little new to me and a little foreign
and hearing it, but I had I've heard of plenty
of players that have felt like things have been handled
incorrectly with what they had going on, whether it be
you know, them getting an infection in there, you know,
after a post surgery, or the way an injury was handled,
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or the way the rehab was handled, or I have
heard those stories. I just haven't been a part of
experiencing or witnessing them, so it's hard for me to
speak on it from a you know, having gone through
a situation.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
So he kind of pointed out that because he was
a visiting player, he felt like he didn't get the
same treatment that somebody else would have gotten on the Chiefs.
He also pointed out how remember we talked about the
nfl PA report card where they like graded all organizations
about like the cafeteria and the weight room and the
locker room. So the chiefs training staff got an f
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so but he's not a chief, but he it was
that medical staff that was tending to him and the
part that and look, I don't know how this works,
which is why I'm asking the question.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
But I've never really heard of that.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Well, like, so, yeah, like, don't you have your own
medical staff that travel with your team.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm not no, I'm not certain. I will say this,
I'm not certain as to if they need it, like
a x ray or something like that, that's probably on
the home team. So yeah, So if you're talking about that,
but in terms of medical care, like you're caring for
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another team's player, I've never heard of that. I've never
heard of that. If your if your trainers and medical
staff on your side of the on the sideline can't
handle what's going on with you, they run you to
the hospital immediately.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Like Damar Hamlin that was on the road for the
Bills immediately, and that you know, the gentleman who helped
out Damar Hamlin in that spot gives credit for saving
his life like he was.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
They're on the spot.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Like, I find it hard to believe that any team
that's an extreme because if you get like break a
limb or like dislocate something or whatever it may be.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That's still your medical staff that's tending to.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I find it hard to believe that somebody on a
medical staff is like, it's not one of us.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I can't imagine that would be the thought, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I mean, who knows, but I can't imagine that, like
somebody would be like, oh, that guy's face is broken whatever,
let him sit on a little bit. He's not one
of us.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Like no, like you like you're there to do your judge.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Doesn't sound like it makes sense. I'll tell you that
it doesn't sound like it. But that was his experience,
so there's no I'm not going to discredit what he's
feeling or what he's thinking.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
But and they've got the reputation for getting a bad
grade according to people, so I mean, maybe there is
something to it. It's just wild to me that that
would be the thought, like he's not one of.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Us, screw him.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't know, man, the guy's got a broken face,
and there's a possibility that that could be how they
played it. I don't know. I really don't. I'm not
close enough to it to know. But again, if I'm
thinking of the medical stats that I've been a part
of through the years. I don't think that they would
take that approach towards a guy that's injured, because at
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the end of the day, once it's about somebody's health,
I think that extends beyond the fact that you know
what team they're on. I think it's just all about
assisting the person that's in need at that time.
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Speaker 3 (23:45):
So.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
One of the other teams that looked terrible over the
weekend was the New York Giants. I mean, they were brutal.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
That might not end well either.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I mean, yeah, I can't imagine that that's gonna go well.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like and it feels like it.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
This was kind of where it was heading over the
past past few months, based on some of the stuff
that had come out and some of the stuff that
had played out in New York with the Giants and
also on HBO and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
But it was so bad that.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Even the opposing team they're at MetLife noticed how much
hate was being thrown at one Daniel Jones. Jonathan Grenard
of the Minnesota Vikings was there. He actually spoke about
what the atmosphere was like there. This was earlier this
week on Fox Sports radio affiliate The Yalla Horn of
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the Twin Cities k Fan. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
We kind of thought, you see a little bit bad
for him as we're still just completely just taking away
everything that he wants to do. So hey, good again
the other side of it, and it's our Johnson not
be on that side of it, you know.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
So he felt they felt bad for Daniel Jones the
way that he was getting treated by the fans there.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And no, they didn't.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Okay, well in the sense that okay, in the sense
that they could tell like there's like it's over, like
people have already made up their mind. And if it
like I look at it and I go this situation
for Daniel Jones and the Giants, it's only.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Gonna get worse. That's what it looks like.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Because you've got the discussion and the narrative which like
it's one thing that they chose to pay Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And not say Quon Barkley.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
That's one thing, but the fact that it played out
on HBO that's another. The fact that it played out
on HBO. And then you've got your coach saying, oh,
I would move up in the draft, I would trade
up to take Jade and Daniels, while you've got this
quarterback coming back from injury. And then you've got Saquon
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Barkley going to Philly and looking as good as he
did in his first game in Brazil with the Eagles,
Like this is like this is gonna end well for anybody,
and well for Sakwon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Oh yeah, one hundred.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
But Daniel Jones, like Brian day Ball, like they like
it's almost like they're in no man's land. And the
fans there have already just said, listen, one game into
the season, we don't care.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We're tired of it. Like you chose.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
We just saw two nights earlier, a guy that we
could have paid.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
The guy, a guy that wanted to stay in New
York and be a Jedi.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Offense went through. Yes, it's not like he didn't do
it and then he left it. The offense went through Sakuon.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Barkley go to the arch rival and do what he did,
and you've got the Giants owner John Mara on record
on HBO saying, man, it would kill me. I would
not be able to live with the Saquon Barkley going
to Philadelphia and then he goes and looks as good
as he did.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's good. You're gonna have to see him twice a year. Bro.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
You're one game into the season and the fans are
already like, screw this, Like that's New York.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And we just talked about that exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
We just talked about that New York when we were
talking about Aaron Rodgers. They are going to let you
know how they feel and listen, those are vastly different
fan bases. But with that being said, the media coverage
is intense for both both franchises there, and the fandom
(27:20):
is intense for both franchises there. So Giants fans, I
would say, aren't really maybe receptive to a mediocre team.
They've had enough really really good teams and good runs
(27:42):
with teams where that's not something that the Giants fan
base is probably comfortable, you know with, and so their
reactions to what's going on and what they're seeing and
what they're experiencing. It's not something that that's not a
(28:05):
glass half fool situation. They're not approaching this as a
glass half full situation. They're approaching it as it's a
glass that's glass that's half empty, and they don't see
any any change in sight, Like, where's the change?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
How many coaches have they gone through? Like three? A lot?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I think it's like been like three coaches they've gone
through over the last like what.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Five years or so six years something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I just I think that this is at an organization
that in some way, which I don't know. I haven't
been back there since I left.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I know when I left.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That organization was operating at such a high level. They
won two Super Bowls during that time, one one year
after I left, and then what like a couple years
later they they beat the Patriots again. It just seems
like a the decision makers that are in that building
(29:09):
have lost their way on what the Giants' way is
on how to handle things and do things. You know,
Ernie Corsey was still there when when I came in.
You talk about the way that man scouted and brought
in free agents and brought in draft picks and GM
that team.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Ernie A.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Corsey is a legend, legendary dude. They they just have
to me not stay true. Like I'll give you a
great example, the tight end that that was the GM
for the Ravens, Ozzywse.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He's no longer there. But do you see any change
and how.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
They approach who they draft, what positions they go for,
how the personality of the team is built.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You don't see any change in that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You don't see If I ask you, what is the
identity of these New York Giants teams, and I asked
you to compare that to the teams that won the
Super Bowls, the ones with the Mike Strahans and the
o c hu min yours and and the Justin Tucks
and the Kareem McKenzie's and and the you know, Luke
Pettigout and Eli Manning and Tiki Barber, well not Tiki,
(30:29):
but uh Brandon Jacobs and Mott Bradshaw, you know those
guys on those teams. If I were to ask you,
what is the personality of those teams?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
We're going to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
We're gonna throw this ball to Plexico Burus into a
Mani tumor, and and and to you know the receivers
that are out there. We're gonna throw the ball, David Tyree.
We're gonna throw the ball. We're gonna run the ball
very effectively, and we're gonna play defense. And we're gonna
get to your quarterback. We're gonna get to your quarterback.
We're going to run the ball, we're going to pass
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the ball, and we're gonna win games. That was the
That was the identity of this Giants team.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
What does it become? It's an ident identity less team.
It's an identity less less organization right now. And I
think that that's where they have to start. They have
to start building rebuilding their identity. And you mentioned like
maybe the possibility of them bringing in Bill Belichick one
(31:31):
of you guys, did that would play to me? You
got to get back to your roots if you're the
New York Giants, because right now you are so far
away from what made you a special organization and a
special franchise. And I don't I just don't see there
being any there's no there's no change taking place anywhere.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
And in sight, it's a bad situation. Like you got
like Vikings players like man they're booing his as.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Again, whether he means it or not, that edit that
would make you.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
But if another team is taking notice of how bad
your guys are getting booed, I mean, that's that's pretty
bad it.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Meanwhile, say Kwon fits right in, just right in and
was off and run in Game one with the Eagles.
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Speaker 3 (33:31):
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Speaker 5 (35:33):
And then hopefully we can get past this whole Tyreek
Hill incident that took place on Sunday at some point,
because that one feels like it has gone on and
people have really really taken this thing and stretched.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
It out as far as they can.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, because it takes on a personality of its own.
Once once the cancel mob gets in involved, cancel culture
gets involved, it it just it it blows up in size,
you know, it blows up, and then you know, being
reasonable and being sensible about the situation goes out the door.
(36:11):
Now it's it's really all about you know, agendas and
politicking over it, and it becomes something totally totally totally different.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, like this is very unfortunate man.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
To me, it's the most cut and dry thing I've
seen in a long time. Tyreek Kill was a tool
and so was the cop period. Like Tyreek Kill didn't
have to act the way he did and the cop
didn't have to be as aggressive as he was. True,
it's just but for some reason, you can't just take
that approach.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's kind of you got to be on one side
or the.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Other because he chose to be a douchebag to a
black man. Like that's that's the ultimate reason why this
is still a big story. You know, it could have
been tool on tool, like you said, and it would
have been over if he wasn't a black man and
he happened to be a famous black man
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Exactly
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A piece of Yeah you got one last night to
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Speaker 1 (01:05):
I don't know. Forgot all about it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I planned on eating it. A few things are fuzzy
for me from yesterday, man, Like I had a good time.
I was hanging out with my man, Steve Khim yesterday
shots out the Big Steve. We was talking shop, man.
But while we was talking shop, we was drinking Casamigo's
mascow and pineapple. And before you knew it, we had
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Speaker 3 (01:39):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So when I saw y'all, when I got to y'all,
I was trying to like clear my head, get myself back,
you know, to where I needed to get myself to.
So I forgot about that pie. It's not that I
didn't want to eat it, because when I when I
got it, I definitely was like, I'm going to enjoy
this pie.
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Speaker 3 (02:20):
Believe is eleventh of the year thus far. So these
are getting that hand.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
But we were at the event yesterday hanging out with
the great folks from Rapid Radios, and a gentleman from
the restaurant that we were at came around and gave
everybody a card for Hey, next time you're hear a
free banana cream pie. I guess it's like they're what
they're known for. They do a really good banana cream pie.
And so Levar's like, well, I won't. Yeah, let me
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cash my card. And now I'd like, IY, next time
I come back. So I walk out right now, So
I walk out of the restaurant with you and your wife.
You're holding onto this pie like you've got the golden
ticket from Willie Walker.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Then you never ate it, damn. So that things just somewhere.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I mean, I have my card if you want to,
if you want to go back and get an that one.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Appreciate you. Oh man, Well listen, it was a good time.
It was a good time. Man. It was fun. But
here's what wasn't fun. Monday night football.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
The New York Jets, who got exposed and battered around
by the San Francisco forty nine ers, even with Christian
McCaffrey out. Backup Jordan Mason stepped in and ran all
over him. Now, Robert Solid did promise in talking with
the media yesterday he has no concerns about the defense
that will get fixed, like and that really was the issue.
(03:43):
Was the defense was the problem, no concerns whatsoever. He
feels like it is definitely going to get fixed. Aaron
Rodgers has also taken a similar approach, like, hey, listen,
people got to calm down. Everything's gonna be okay. Let's
listen to Rogers yesterday.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I think we always got to stay relaxed. It's a
long season. I think at times people think the season
is like you're out in the prairie or the desert
and you're wandering around trying to find water. But it's
more like a nice slow ballero you know, where we're
just swaying with the music and reacting to whatever comes
through comes to us and through us, and just trying
(04:20):
to uh not get too high with the highs.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Or too low with the lows.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
The league is a lot different than what I said
and relaxed years ago in that there's just so much
more coverage that there's so much more opportunity for overreaction.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I mean that's not wrong, No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
He's so sophisticated in his approach, you know what I mean,
Like like he's so enlightened, very elevated. It's a very
measured guy. You know, all right, but you better win soon.
You better win soon, because let me tell you something
that ain't Green Bay Jack, that's New York and that
(04:57):
this league is different than the times when you say relax,
you damn right. But I'll tell you what ain't different
New York media. They always been on that ass. If
you win your hero. If you don't, you are the hell,
and they will get all up in it. Believe you me,
you don't deliver. They got you, We got you. So
(05:19):
he went to the right market in order to try
to whatever it is, booster boost whatever he's doing in
his career, which who knows why that is even necessary,
but it is what it is. They have Tennessee this week. Tennessee.
(05:40):
Tennessee is a team that, in my estimation.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Could vary.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I won't say easily. They could beat this Jets team.
They have enough, They have enough defense where they can
win a game against a Jets team at home. And so,
like I said on Monday or Tuesday, if if this
(06:08):
team can't go into Nashville and get a win against Tennessee,
I know we didn't. We said don't panic after week one,
and I agree with that. There's no reason to panic
after week one, Well unless you the Browns, I wouldn't
even panic. If I'm the Browns just yet, only team
(06:31):
i'd say you should panic, but you should already have
been panicking anyway. Is Carolina? That's the only team you
said there'd be a team that does worse than now,
I don't remember what team that was. You says, yeah, yeah,
I say sure, it's gonna mess around and be two.
I just do not feel as though if if this
(06:52):
and listen to games is a small sample size, but
if they can't go in and win against the Tennessee
Titans in week two, it could it could get pretty
interesting for the New York Jets, And they could get
really interesting for Aaron Rodgers. And it could get super
super interesting for Robert Salah, Like does he even make
(07:12):
it through the season?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like is his is it? Now?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
The clock is ticking on what day he's going to
be canned as the head coach of the New York Jets? Like,
think about it? They so they have the Titans, then
they have the Packers. Oh no, excuse me, that's the Titans.
Let me let me go back to the Jets. The
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Jets have the Titans coming up and then I do
believe they have the Patriots, right, Yep, they have the Patriots,
which that now turns into a ridiculously big game. Think
about it. The Jets could potentially be coming into a
game with a divisional rival that was estimated to be
(08:01):
a trash team, and the roles could be reversed. You
could have a two and oh Patriots team going against
the O and two Jets team in Week three.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, you could. I think the Jets will win this weekend.
But here's this is what I would say.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You think that the Cleveland Browns are going to win
the AFC North.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I never said that. I picked the Bengals. Trust me.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
That what they lost to doing it, I agree, Like
that's a I don't feel great about that at this
point in time. But I will say this, So you
and I live in southern California. Would would you say
that we're spoiled by really.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Good Mexican food out here? Yes? All right?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
So like we like, I've had it in different places,
and so the bar for us out here is very high,
very high.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
All right.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
You know what's a great place to be the only
or average Mexican food place in Alaska? You don't know
why because the bar is real low, Like there's no
other spot in town, so you could roll out whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You want to get in avocados in Alaska.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Figure it out, like buy a pair and tell everybody
it's an avocado or they're not gonna know the difference.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Who cares.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
But the point is if the bar is low, it
changes the way you feel about things. If the Jets
win ten games this year, would you consider that a
success for the Jets?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yes, for the Jets, yes, And that's the point. But
that's not is that what they're being measured on internally.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
But the point is they've done that once in the
last fifteen years. So maybe they won't be a super
Bowl team, but they're gonna be in contention for a
playoff spot. They might even be a wildcard team, and
based whatever the hell happens in the AFCs, who knows,
maybe they'll compete for the division they're not. But I
don't look at the Jets and go, man, what we
(09:48):
saw on Monday Night football. That's a problem because this
doesn't look like a super Bowl team. My bar for
the Jets isn't the super Bowl. My bar for the
Jets is just be better than you've been the last
fifteen years, and that's a low place to be, and
I think they can pull that.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Off and thus like a horrible approach, like you didn't
bring in Aaron Rodgers, you didn't draft the way you draft,
you don't have the you know which, by the way,
Tyrann's Tyron Smith was freaking a costing Nick Bosa like
(10:23):
talk about.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Legally or illegally, I mean it was both.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
They should have came and arrested him after that football game,
the way he was holding and grabbing that man. I
just really think that you can't say that winning ten
games or making it to the wild card is good
enough when you've done what you've done, not even mentioned,
not even to mention the fact that where you brought
(10:48):
Robert Salah from and how well he was doing with
the San Francisco forty nine ers when they went and
got him. I just don't think that you have expectations
that are based upon a bar being set so low
that you can exceed that bar, especially in the New
York market. I just don't think that works. I really don't.
(11:10):
I don't think that's the way. I don't I don't
think that plays out well. But I've not been on
the New York Jets bandwagon to begin with, so regardless
of anything, I just don't see. I'm not a believer
that again that talent can outperform dysfunction. And from all
(11:30):
things I've heard and I've seen, this looks like the
a classic one of those franchises that is a dysfunctional
franchise top to bottom.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I mean, if you're a Jets fan and you really
believed that that you're in contention for a Super Bowl
this year, then you've got the iq of a spork
like like stop, like the your you should just be
trying to have a successful run.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Like look the Rex Ryan years.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
We can you know, poke fun and all that stuff,
but they were in AFC title games a couple of times,
I believe, back to back years like this idea that
they're going to dictate what is deemed success and we
hold them to a high.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Bar, Like what high bar?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Like the Giants, I can understand they're super Bowls there
the Jets, there's not. So if you're a Jets fan
and you are, and Rogers made the point and people
kind of push back on it to where he said, hey, listen,
if you're a Jets fan and you think, you know
you want to get out of here, and you don't.
You want to jump off the boat. That's fine, you
can leave now, but don't come back. He should say that,
(12:38):
like like who are you to determine?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Enough? But who are you to determine? Like what is
considered successful or not? You wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But he don't need to be attacking a fan base
that he's done absolutely zero for thus far.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I don't know if it was sense. I don't know
if it was attacking. And more so, just like listen,
like let's threating threatening?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
What what is that buttling? Refuting what? He don't need this?
Like that's not the road he needs to go down
where he's at right now.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Hey, you want to be on this boat. Come on,
if you don't go swim with the sharks, go out
there and go.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Try swimming with them anyway, Like that boat might be
taking on water.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Jets are gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Okay, you guys, you know you gotta you gotta stop
being so negative all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well I'm not. I'm just down on them. I'm not negative.
Just you know, ask me about a different team. I
might be different about him. That team in particular, gives
me no reason to believe that the correlation of what
we've seen from this team is that they're trending up.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
By the way, you want to know who's got it
worse than them, So Dave Canalis, who's the head coach
of the Panthers, you know, David Tepper, the guy who
roughs up people at at bars and they have signs
out in front that are critical of the team and
then throws, you know, cups of acid on fans at
Jaguars game if they if they bow the team or
(14:02):
a hard time. So David Tepfer, uh, he has meetings
with coaches after every game. And so Dave Canalice said, yeah,
I met with Dave and he was nothing but supportive
to me. Hey, buddy, let me tell you something. If
this continues to look like it did, like it's going
(14:23):
to be another one and done for the Carolina. But
like David Tepper and the Carolina Panthers are are veering
towards worst run organizations we've seen in the NFL a
long time. Not saying from any scandals or anything like that,
because because you would know being in Washington, how that
stuff all put out. And I would Well, I'm just
(14:43):
saying you were there with a little dad, right, But
we're talking we speak that me, Ricky Bobby, We're talking
Matt Rule, We're talking Frank Reich, We're talking Dave Canalis
like they like he might actually pull this off and
just got everybody. And the guy who's gonna have to
wear it is Bryce Young, whose career is never going
(15:05):
to take off because he ended up in the worst situation.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
In the NFL, and they'll call him a bus.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
So if you are a team out there, in an
organization out there and you're frustrated with your franchise.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Just look at Carolina. That's it could always be worse,
that's it, unless you're a Carolina Panthers here.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah. And if you can't be worse, yeah, not as
an NFL team. If you are, go root for the
Bobcats or whatever they're called. Now. It is two pros
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from now. Var There's a little bit of an issue
somebody has with the Chiefs. All right, they're the best
team in the NFL, the defending Super Bowl champions two
times over there in the midst of a dynasty. But
apparently their medical staff is not highly thought of. Kyle
Vanoy of the Ravens, he was on the McCoy and
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van Oy podcast and he had an issue pop up
last Thursday night where he broke his orbital bone, and
apparently he was not thrilled with the delay in the
response from the Chiefs medical staff there in case, let's
take a listen.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
They took an entire quarter to get down to talk
to me in the locker room, which to me is
unacceptable because then you start thinking, you know, what if
I was trying to go back in the game, what
if I was, you.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Know, really really hurt.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I know mine was happening to be moderate, but it
still was serious because it's an I and you know,
your expectation of someone to be down there as the
training staff asked him to be down there would have
had a little bit more urgency as a player, You're
expect people have that expectation of you being professional handling business.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
That's crazy in a time.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
And need I wanted that from them, and I felt
like I didn't get it.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
How often is that or how prevalent is that where
you're on the road and the medical staff that you're
depending on when you need help comes up short.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's that's a that's a hard one to answer because
I feel as though in the medical aspect of things,
your you are in a unique situation and position where
you have to purely trust what what's being done. Now
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he's talking about if I heard it correctly, like a
lack of responsiveness, like a lack of response time.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Did I hear that correctly? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
He thought it took too long. So I will say this,
And I've never been in a situation where jumping to
the assistance of an injury that I had, or even
seeing teammates that had an injury. I never seen a
casual approach to taking too long to do something. Maybe
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they might not have known the severity of what was
going on right away based upon one reason or another.
Players like to hide injuries sometimes as well. But if
this was a case where he was truly hurt and
this was something where he was needing medical attention, I've
never really seen a situation where a team doesn't give
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a guy medical attention that's in need of it. So
that's a little new to me and a little foreign
and hearing it, but I had I've heard of plenty
of players that have felt like things have been handled
incorrectly with what they had going on, whether it be
you know, them getting an infection in there, you know,
after a post surgery, or the way an injury was handled,
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or the way the rehab was handled, or I have
heard those stories. I just haven't been a part of
experiencing or witnessing them, so it's hard for me to
speak on it from a you know, having gone through
a situation.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
So he kind of pointed out that because he was
a visiting player, he felt like he didn't get the
same treatment that somebody else would have gotten on the Chiefs.
He also pointed out how remember we talked about the
nfl PA report card where they like graded all organizations
about like the cafeteria and the weight room and the
locker room. So the chiefs training staff got an f
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so but he's not a chief, but he it was
that medical staff that was tending to him and the
part that and look, I don't know how this works,
which is why I'm asking the question.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
But I've never really heard of that.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Well, like, so, yeah, like, don't you have your own
medical staff that travel with your team.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm not no, I'm not certain. I will say this,
I'm not certain as to if they need it, like
a x ray or something like that, that's probably on
the home team. So yeah, So if you're talking about that,
but in terms of medical care, like you're caring for
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another team's player, I've never heard of that. I've never
heard of that. If your if your trainers and medical
staff on your side of the on the sideline can't
handle what's going on with you, they run you to
the hospital immediately.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Like Damar Hamlin that was on the road for the
Bills immediately, and that you know, the gentleman who helped
out Damar Hamlin in that spot gives credit for saving
his life like he was.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
They're on the spot.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Like, I find it hard to believe that any team
that's an extreme because if you get like break a
limb or like dislocate something or whatever it may be.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That's still your medical staff that's tending to.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I find it hard to believe that somebody on a
medical staff is like, it's not one of us.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I can't imagine that would be the thought, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I mean, who knows, but I can't imagine that, like
somebody would be like, oh, that guy's face is broken whatever,
let him sit on a little bit. He's not one
of us.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Like no, like you like you're there to do your judge.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Doesn't sound like it makes sense. I'll tell you that
it doesn't sound like it. But that was his experience,
so there's no I'm not going to discredit what he's
feeling or what he's thinking.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
But and they've got the reputation for getting a bad
grade according to people, so I mean, maybe there is
something to it. It's just wild to me that that
would be the thought, like he's not one of.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Us, screw him.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't know, man, the guy's got a broken face,
and there's a possibility that that could be how they
played it. I don't know. I really don't. I'm not
close enough to it to know. But again, if I'm
thinking of the medical stats that I've been a part
of through the years. I don't think that they would
take that approach towards a guy that's injured, because at
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the end of the day, once it's about somebody's health,
I think that extends beyond the fact that you know
what team they're on. I think it's just all about
assisting the person that's in need at that time.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
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Speaker 3 (23:45):
So.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
One of the other teams that looked terrible over the
weekend was the New York Giants. I mean, they were brutal.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
That might not end well either.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I mean, yeah, I can't imagine that that's gonna go well.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like and it feels like it.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
This was kind of where it was heading over the
past past few months, based on some of the stuff
that had come out and some of the stuff that
had played out in New York with the Giants and
also on HBO and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
But it was so bad that.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Even the opposing team they're at MetLife noticed how much
hate was being thrown at one Daniel Jones. Jonathan Grenard
of the Minnesota Vikings was there. He actually spoke about
what the atmosphere was like there. This was earlier this
week on Fox Sports radio affiliate The Yalla Horn of
(24:37):
the Twin Cities k Fan. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
We kind of thought, you see a little bit bad
for him as we're still just completely just taking away
everything that he wants to do. So hey, good again
the other side of it, and it's our Johnson not
be on that side of it, you know.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
So he felt they felt bad for Daniel Jones the
way that he was getting treated by the fans there.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And no, they didn't.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Okay, well in the sense that okay, in the sense
that they could tell like there's like it's over, like
people have already made up their mind. And if it
like I look at it and I go this situation
for Daniel Jones and the Giants, it's only.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Gonna get worse. That's what it looks like.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Because you've got the discussion and the narrative which like
it's one thing that they chose to pay Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And not say Quon Barkley.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
That's one thing, but the fact that it played out
on HBO that's another. The fact that it played out
on HBO. And then you've got your coach saying, oh,
I would move up in the draft, I would trade
up to take Jade and Daniels, while you've got this
quarterback coming back from injury. And then you've got Saquon
(25:51):
Barkley going to Philly and looking as good as he
did in his first game in Brazil with the Eagles,
Like this is like this is gonna end well for anybody,
and well for Sakwon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Oh yeah, one hundred.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
But Daniel Jones, like Brian day Ball, like they like
it's almost like they're in no man's land. And the
fans there have already just said, listen, one game into
the season, we don't care.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We're tired of it. Like you chose.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
We just saw two nights earlier, a guy that we
could have paid.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
The guy, a guy that wanted to stay in New
York and be a Jedi.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Offense went through. Yes, it's not like he didn't do
it and then he left it. The offense went through Sakuon.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Barkley go to the arch rival and do what he did,
and you've got the Giants owner John Mara on record
on HBO saying, man, it would kill me. I would
not be able to live with the Saquon Barkley going
to Philadelphia and then he goes and looks as good
as he did.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's good. You're gonna have to see him twice a year. Bro.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
You're one game into the season and the fans are
already like, screw this, Like that's New York.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And we just talked about that exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
We just talked about that New York when we were
talking about Aaron Rodgers. They are going to let you
know how they feel and listen, those are vastly different
fan bases. But with that being said, the media coverage
is intense for both both franchises there, and the fandom
(27:20):
is intense for both franchises there. So Giants fans, I
would say, aren't really maybe receptive to a mediocre team.
They've had enough really really good teams and good runs
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with teams where that's not something that the Giants fan
base is probably comfortable, you know with, and so their
reactions to what's going on and what they're seeing and
what they're experiencing. It's not something that that's not a
(28:05):
glass half fool situation. They're not approaching this as a
glass half full situation. They're approaching it as it's a
glass that's glass that's half empty, and they don't see
any any change in sight, Like, where's the change?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
How many coaches have they gone through? Like three? A lot?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I think it's like been like three coaches they've gone
through over the last like what.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Five years or so six years something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I just I think that this is at an organization
that in some way, which I don't know. I haven't
been back there since I left.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I know when I left.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That organization was operating at such a high level. They
won two Super Bowls during that time, one one year
after I left, and then what like a couple years
later they they beat the Patriots again. It just seems
like a the decision makers that are in that building
(29:09):
have lost their way on what the Giants' way is
on how to handle things and do things. You know,
Ernie Corsey was still there when when I came in.
You talk about the way that man scouted and brought
in free agents and brought in draft picks and GM
that team.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Ernie A.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Corsey is a legend, legendary dude. They they just have
to me not stay true. Like I'll give you a
great example, the tight end that that was the GM
for the Ravens, Ozzywse.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He's no longer there. But do you see any change
and how.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
They approach who they draft, what positions they go for,
how the personality of the team is built.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You don't see any change in that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You don't see If I ask you, what is the
identity of these New York Giants teams, and I asked
you to compare that to the teams that won the
Super Bowls, the ones with the Mike Strahans and the
o c hu min yours and and the Justin Tucks
and the Kareem McKenzie's and and the you know, Luke
Pettigout and Eli Manning and Tiki Barber, well not Tiki,
(30:29):
but uh Brandon Jacobs and Mott Bradshaw, you know those
guys on those teams. If I were to ask you,
what is the personality of those teams?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
We're going to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
We're gonna throw this ball to Plexico Burus into a
Mani tumor, and and and to you know the receivers
that are out there. We're gonna throw the ball, David Tyree.
We're gonna throw the ball. We're gonna run the ball
very effectively, and we're gonna play defense. And we're gonna
get to your quarterback. We're gonna get to your quarterback.
We're going to run the ball, we're going to pass
(31:03):
the ball, and we're gonna win games. That was the
That was the identity of this Giants team.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
What does it become? It's an ident identity less team.
It's an identity less less organization right now. And I
think that that's where they have to start. They have
to start building rebuilding their identity. And you mentioned like
maybe the possibility of them bringing in Bill Belichick one
(31:31):
of you guys, did that would play to me? You
got to get back to your roots if you're the
New York Giants, because right now you are so far
away from what made you a special organization and a
special franchise. And I don't I just don't see there
being any there's no there's no change taking place anywhere.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
And in sight, it's a bad situation. Like you got
like Vikings players like man they're booing his as.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Again, whether he means it or not, that edit that
would make you.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
But if another team is taking notice of how bad
your guys are getting booed, I mean, that's that's pretty
bad it.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Meanwhile, say Kwon fits right in, just right in and
was off and run in Game one with the Eagles.
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Speaker 3 (33:31):
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a good game.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
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Speaker 5 (35:33):
And then hopefully we can get past this whole Tyreek
Hill incident that took place on Sunday at some point,
because that one feels like it has gone on and
people have really really taken this thing and stretched.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
It out as far as they can.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, because it takes on a personality of its own.
Once once the cancel mob gets in involved, cancel culture
gets involved, it it just it it blows up in size,
you know, it blows up, and then you know, being
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Now it's it's really all about you know, agendas and
politicking over it, and it becomes something totally totally totally different.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, like this is very unfortunate man.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
To me, it's the most cut and dry thing I've
seen in a long time. Tyreek Kill was a tool
and so was the cop period. Like Tyreek Kill didn't
have to act the way he did and the cop
didn't have to be as aggressive as he was. True,
it's just but for some reason, you can't just take
that approach.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's kind of you got to be on one side
or the.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Other because he chose to be a douchebag to a
black man. Like that's that's the ultimate reason why this
is still a big story. You know, it could have
been tool on tool, like you said, and it would
have been over if he wasn't a black man and
he happened to be a famous black man
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Exactly
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