September 16, 2024 • 44 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Chiefs are on the verge of becoming unlikeable. The Saints are severely underrated, even after beating the brakes off the Cowboys. And Caleb Williams delivers another awful performance to start his pro career.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrington rating Win and Jonas Knox on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
What up? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
We are we are off and running here on a
Monday morning. What we're doing following a week two action
in the NFL, That's what it was called? Lots of
lots of stuff going on in college football. Well, I
was waiting for this to happen. I knew it was
going to happen eventually, and I was wondering, all right,
when are we going to take the turn?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
All right?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
When is it going to go from feel good, love
it to the law offices.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Of bitch and moan checking in every single week? Well,
you totally was calling on off hours last night on
the challenge hold on, Well we'll get talked. Well, we'll
get to that later.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
But I was waiting on when the Chiefs were going
to become unlikable.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And I think we're at that point at that point.
Well like, not for me, not for me. I got
no issue with it. They're just who they are, man.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And And here's the thing. The Patriots went through this.
Every dynasty goes through the turn where it's feel good,
it's new, it's fresh, and then all of a sudden,
the accusations start.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
They get every call, they get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And so now following another great matchup between Cincinnati and
Kansas City, people are complaining about defensive pass interference being called.
They're complaining about the Chiefs getting all the calls. It
was clearly a past interference. Kansas City is the best
team in the league. Yeah, we are now at the
point to where I think people are getting fed up
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with it and are now bitching and moaning constantly.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think there's a lot of miscalls in all the games.
I mean I saw I was starting to write down
notes on fed up calls, and it was so many
I just stopped. I was like, I don't even because
I'm going to reference and refer to down. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
(02:24):
you could be an a hole about it, but if they
were being honest about it, I just didn't feel like
doing it. I mean I was looking at it. We
could start off Monday with.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
You know, realize the monumental task would have been to
write down all the holding calls.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Especially with everything I got going on, you should before
you started that task I said, don't do it. It's
gonna take too long. Yeah, whatever, Q, you came in
hot today. You know what fines grew you. Hey, but listen,
though there were a lot of bad calls, there have
been bad calls. There were bad calls at college, there
were bad There was a lot of bad calls this weekend.
(03:02):
Like I was looking at it and I felt like
there were some like what was the game? The USC game,
the Southern Carolina game? Bad calls? Organs, you push the
guy dang quarterback on his shoulder? How is that? That's
the That was the one most egregious thing to me
that I've been looking at is how are how the
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quarterbacks are treated? It's like anything and everything. If it's in,
if it's in any type of question, throw the flag.
I don't understand how how was that a what was
it too much? It was too much roughness or something
like that on the quarterback? What was it? What was it?
(03:44):
Because I'm confused anyway, I just saw a lot of
like Shore Kansas City, when they're they're just better, Like, Okay,
there's a lot they get calls, Okay, I get it,
calls go their way, all right. The chiefs are better.
It seems are just they're that team.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's New England all over again. They're going to win
close games.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Don't know if it's New England.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
But here's the thing I'll say why it's not New
England is because they don't act like New England. They
don't play like New England. New England in particular Brady's
first three years, it was much more of a we're
gonna win tight games and we're gonna get by on
a field goal. That was kind of the first three
(04:30):
Super Bowls. It was like, oh, he's gonna drive down
when you have a kick for a field goal. Now, yes,
that's how they won this past week. But it feels
like it's more of Mahomes. It feels like it's more
big plays. It feels like it more comes down to
a drive. Is something else. And I would say that
their defense last year, you might have been say it
was comparable to what the Patriots had early on for
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that reign, but not what their first couple of Super
Bowls were. I mean, the Chiefs defense is getting there.
It wasn't as dominant as the Patriots was, but there's
similarities in the case that if you stay what the
hero long enough, you turn into the villain.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And that's where we're at, right, not to pull line
for Batman, but that's ultimately where we're at, is they
are turning into the villain. And you could chalk it
up to a number of reasons. It always starts off
with the greatness and the haters, because there's going to
be haters when you're that good, all right, just haters heightened.
But then it transitions to even like all the commercials,
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the jealousy that comes.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
With that, Oh they get all the calls?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Is there somebolity that yes, well, Taylor Swift that plays part.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Of it, girl.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, But think about this.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
No one's gotten more past interference calls since twenty eighteen,
all right, on plays that would have otherwise been incomplete
or not counted than Patrick Mahomes. I think he's that,
like it's eight sixteen something like that in twenty eighteen.
No one's had more. Now that's not a ton, right,
You're talking about six year, sixth season span, Okay, and
(06:09):
think about how many games that is and then how
many plays that is. You're saying, all right, it's sixteen
eightever whatever many times has been Okay, he's got the
most Well, maybe there's a reason for it, you know.
Maybe the reality is they're the team that defenses are
trying their best to stop in those final moments, and
they get desperate and they make a poor decision, and
it's passive interference. This was like classic passi interference the
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definition of it. On that particular play, I actually thought
the hands to the face, the hands of the face,
called that before that when they converted on fourth and six.
Then they brought it back for the illegal hands to
the face. I thought that was more of a kind
of a I don't know, it seemed more incidental.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
It wasn't as big of an impact even done to
the play as it seemed to be. So then you
back them up the fourth and sixteen. Now you complain
about that. I don't know, I get it. You might
think they get a lot of calls the Realuitiens they're
just that good man.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Pat. Pat didn't even play Patrick didn't even play that well.
They didn't play that well. It was it was the
defense in a lot of ways that that was the
reason why they won that game. I could watch those
two teams play every single day. I don't and they
don't like they get after it and listen, they they
know Spags knows how to to get to them. I
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mean they they they pressure him, They they make them
uncomfortable and and they contain like they they you're not
going to stop the Chief's offense. You're not going to
totally stop them. You have to contain them. It's like contain, contain,
contain it. And they do a really really fine job
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of doing it. I mean, we watched a masterful job
by flora As yesterday. Defensively, I would have never thought
that that would have took you know, you slow down
a Shanahan offense. But you know what that that there's
just a certain there's a certain group of guys that
know how to defensively scheme and scheme in a way
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where it's just it's it's fun to watch watching Cincinnati
play against the Chiefs and how they're able to have
you know, so much, so much success. I mean, I
find it to be pretty it's as a defender, I know,
as some people that may not like it, but like,
(08:38):
I mean, listen, I like seeing that. I like seeing
defensive games, and that was that's generally a defensive game
when you see those two.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I mean the past interference penalty. First of all, it
was the right call. Secondly, Joe burrows fumble is what
changed the game. Like it felt like Cincinnati had an
opportunity to really take advantage. You know, they were up,
they had the ball, they were starting to find something,
and then he fumbles. There's a scoop score and still
they had an opportunity to win that game late. But
(09:05):
I look at it and I go, if you're Cincinnati,
you come away from that game going you feel better
about your performance because you didn't look as bad as
you did in Week one, But there were opportunities for
them to win that game.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Imagine if they're Tennessee. I mean same different one. Two mistakes, Man,
this was I saw a lot of mistakes. You know
what I saw. I saw teams that didn't make mistakes,
like critical mistakes, and I saw teams that make critical mistakes.
And those are differences. I meant Patrick had two interceptions
in the game. How many did how many did how
(09:38):
many did Caleb Williams have? People were like eating his lunch,
including you, Jonas two hundred? How many? How many interceptions
did he throw? Like three? Two should have been three.
He threw two, So he threw the same amount pretty
much as Patrick Mahomes, and people are like nailing him
to the cross today. Man, it's like the had had
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some bad moments, like he had some some I'm just
going to throw the ball up moments. So did Patrick Mahomes.
I'm just throw the ball up moments. Difference is is
Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. So you know it's going
to be judged and looked that differently.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But I'm just it's more calculated by Mahomes when he
throws it up. Guys come down with the ball or
they get like a past interference. Other guys do it.
It's like, oh.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You do that?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
The can Taylor britt interception, the one handed grab indible?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
All right? Is that gloves or is that grip?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's both, but it's both. I mean, give the man credit.
You don't make a pick like that and not have
some sort of hands to it. But can I give
you an overarching theme that I think we're seeing right
now in the NFL as well as college, because I
feel like we're not gonna newsflash, We're not going to
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have a rookie quarterback that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Plays as well with CJ.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Stroud last year. Is that safe to say? Okay, yes,
a novealy like that doesn't come around very often. And
I think they went back to show like he led
the league in passing yards per game at what two
seventy five, which you have to go back to like
the Sammy Baugh era, right, So we're not going to
see that again. It's very clear, very evident. Even though
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we had that many quarterbacks taken in the top of
the first round. What we're seeing them at both levels
is quarterbacks who are kind of thrust it into play.
Like in college right now, the transfer portal, you get
these coaches who want to go after a quarterback and
they've got a guy who's got experience, or he's a
little older, so he's an upperclassman, and their thought is, well,
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we're gonna plug him into our offense and this offense
will be able to make him work.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, there's a few exceptions.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Cam Woard's the only exception in my mind right now,
based on what we've seen in college football as far
as seeing a guy who's truly excelling at a really
really high level at a blue blood, big stage school.
I mean, I guess you could you may throw in
coleb Accords at a good job so far at Syracuse,
but there are a lot of guys who are struggling
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or applying just average. And then you go to the
NFL level and you get all these rookies who these
teams have drafted them, they want to play them right away,
and they're struggling. They are not playing the way we
saw at least even in preseason. Now you've got teams
game planning for you and the struggles real. And so
that's not to say that they're not going to be
able to figure it out and continue to grow and
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everyone's gonna have a different learning curve. But the truth is,
we look at some of the best in the league
and how they got their opportunity to play. It was
either a long time of playing and allowing them to
develop and not making this snap judgment on what they're
going to be or what they are as a quarterback
after even their rookie year or their second year like
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Josh Allen who went into three years of playing three
full years of playing, or you sit them do what
exactly what Drowd Mayo's doing in New England and you say,
I have a guy, but I don't think he's ready yet,
so I'm having Jacoby Brissette take us out and look,
we're gonna lose some games, lost one to Seattle yesterday,
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but it's what's best for an organization and Drake may
moving forward. Otherwise you might get hurt like Jon Daniels
did in Washington, or you're gonna go out there and
you're not gonna look anywhere close to what you did
in preseason, like bow Nick so far, Killer Williams so far.
So there's a bunch of examples of it, but that's
to me, even the overarching theory theme after three weeks
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of college and two weeks so far in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
By the way, cam Warden now the favorite to win
the Heisman courtesy DraftKings.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
As he should be.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
The dude throws lasers, and he also should be talked
about as the top end of the first round. He's
that impressive. At first, I was like, all right, is
he really six ' too? I'm curious to see his hype,
But man, his poise, the way he plays like he's
got everything, every slanging it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Here on Fox Sports, Lar Arrington Brady. So we are
going to have coming up later on. Now, by the way,
we're gonna have Lee's leftovers. We don't have well, we
don't have which.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Ones the ones that's going on right now? The left
right now? What a different? Well which ones you talk?
That's all different? Left over? Universal CityWalk got Lee? Uh,
and so now we're all to anybody could how did
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the challenge go last night? Absolutely? I watched it better
better than week one. Well, I don't know what week
one looked like because I just saw it and went
to sleep, But last night was was good. And you
wore different color suit? Man, God blessed? Was he went
all black? Blue? Blue?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, maybe with some light blue.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Rob Rob had on like the old head like you know, jacket,
what about blue or what's his name? Uh? Who Manola, No,
he's not there. He's not there. Limited appearances this year.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Okay, okay, probably for the better, but it was still interesting.
I think that kind of ran its course. If you
want me to be honest, I'm just saying from the
clips I saw, it's like, you know, I mean, I
think we can move.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It wasn't the show, but yeah, Lee Rena did show up.
They were there made an appearance.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And everyone don't start that what.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
They're not together?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Nobody's saying there together, but it just works.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I mean, Lorena, why would you be so defiant saying that?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I mean, like couple's names, I know, but then something
start with els.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
We have LeVar, Lee and Lorena, but we ain't doing
Lee Rena.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
She's right, because you don't invite LeVar, you invite Lee out.
I asked Mark he wanted to go today? He said HeiG, no,
I don't want to watch jonas that. It was like
that are going you want to go? You want some
pros f No, I.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Don't know Lorena and hung out with Lee before.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Why are you like trying to distance yourself? Alfred? How
bad was I getting murdered? Did something changed the past week?
By the way, you want to know? You want to
know the best part to know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So Lee walks up and some guy from the production
crew comes back and he goes, hey, man, there's some
guy there like named Lee or whatever, and like he says,
he's like here for the show or something like oh yeah,
I know. When I walk over there and Lee's literally
like it lit up salmon shorts. Everyone's like, what's with
this guy. I was like, oh, salmon, what did you say?
(16:56):
What you were salmon pants? That is true, Yeah, but
he was the only one like it was. Everyone was
kind of, uh, why are you let him out like that?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, you're making You're literally talking about yourself at times.
I wasn't. This is how we talked about you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I wasn't wearing shorts. I know you.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Weren't last week. There's times when you do stuff. Were like,
you're the only one.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I mean, look, we're at a golf course and I
was told that that dress code was appropriate where everyone.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Else was wearing shorts list and you wore long salmon pants.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Look, I know you're new to Tartan Field. Let me
explain how this works. You go there and they say listen,
no jeans, all right, no, like a T shirts, nothing
like that. So I walked in with some salmon pants
and a decent golf shirt that was like eleven dollars
and uh and.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
We made it worse stress for us. Yeah, so what
I mean, get you said was slurring his words when
he was trying to get Yeah, let's try. That's well,
that's the other.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Part that lead right now.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Oh, he's the leftovers be sharing leftovers.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Saren, I did hit up Lee on the radio yesterday
because I go watch this also with Chopper and I
go Lee will be the only one who will have
his radio on spond right away. And so Chopper was
talking to Lee on the radio, Lee was talking back
to really oh yeah, a full blown conversation.
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Speaker 3 (19:43):
I'll say this, man, when when the cow When the
cow When the Cowboys lose, they get the doors blown
off them. And that game was not closed yesterday. And
I don't know if it's more of a product of
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the Cowboys having a letdown or the New Orleans Saints
were way better than we.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Think they can. I ask this question, Yeah, does how
you lose matter?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Does it? Or does it only matter for a team
like Dallas because so much of what they are is
the perception of what.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
They are truth.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yes, and it's probably better for business if they get
blown out. Is it from a national standpoint? Yeah, you're
on one side of the fence of the other. There's
a lot of haters out there, and there's a lot
of people that that root for the Cowboys. You're gonna
feed some food group there, or feed one part of it.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
So I guess I just I look at first off,
to me, this game was more about the Saints than
I was about the Cowboys, And it's more about the
fact that this entire offseason there's your off season super
Bowl champs, whoever you want to chalk that up to.
A lot of teams made some moves and build up
the roster. I think it was probably the team that
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I came away with thinking that about because of the
Cousins deal. They go get the future quarterback and Michael
Pennix and they're still able to get some other players too.
But we tend to forget sometimes like the NFL is
not one in the offseason. All the hype surrounding some
of those teams doesn't matter. The Saints were like the
least hype team of any in the NFL, and they've
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so far blown the doors off now of two opponents.
Granted Carolina week one, you're saying, okay, but now Dallas
and eliminating Micah Parsons from really having much of an
impact whatsoever. I don't know that it can be overstated
the difference in what Clint Kubiak has brought to this
offense and sparking creativity and the big playability with what
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they have. I think he's a perfect fit bringing more
of the outside zone running scheme to Alvin Kamara, who's
a great fit for them, but also just Shaheed and
all the other pieces they have finding ways of putting
them in positions to succeed. So I want to give
a big, big shout out and credit to Clint Kubiak
for the job he's done, because that feels like the
biggest difference. But I also wonder, in this small sample size,
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you know, how much of it had to do with
the fact that, you know, he's playing a defense in
Mike Zimmer, who he knows this scheme very well. He
was in Minnesota last couple of years Mike Zimmer was
there was the head coach. You know, his dad had
coached with Mike Zimmer Gary Kubiak.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Of familiarity I think with that scheme. So I wonder
if it was that, you know, week one, I wonder
iful'll just say how bad's Carolina. But part of me
wants to think like this thing is going to last
the rest of the season, because this has been This
has been the Saints team that, like we said, going
into the season last year, they're the most talented roster
by falling the NFC South, they were the betting favorites
by wide margin, and they largely underproduced. Now, if you
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can get this roster to play up to their capabilities,
here they are and so it's pretty incredible to watch
what's happened so far this season.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
It's Alvin Kamara. The offense goes through Alvin Kamara. If
Alvin Kamara is dowed in, locked in and is playing well,
this New Orleans offense has the opportunity and the ability
to play off of what he does best, which is
kind of everything you know, he's he's at one point,
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I mean, if we recall correctly, at one point it
was him and what was it Mike Williams, who is
who is the receiver? That was like it was him
and Davante Adams that were the two top receivers and
in the league. I think it is what Mike was
it Mike Thomas, Michael Thomas Thomas, but Alvin Kamara was
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also in the conversation of best running backs in the league.
And and for what it's worth, if my memory serves
me correctly, he was that versatile, multi dimensional back that
we're talking about and looking at how Smack is looked
at and what he brings to the table like just
a very versatile player. If he if he continues to
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stay healthy and he continues to play the way that
he plays, it's going to And I said that this
is what would make the difference for green Bay. Even
though green Bay won, I would say that losing that
that type of player that Aaron Aaron Williams, Aaron Aaron Jones,
Aaron Jones, what would impact them because I felt like
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their offense went through Aaron Jones. This offense goes through
Alvin Kamara. And so as long as he can take
and keep that pressure off of Car and keep it
off of those those receivers and give them, you know,
the ability and the opportunities for a Car to find
in the in the offense coordinators to find the matchups
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that work best. This could be a very very dangerous team.
I don't know that i'd said they would win the South.
I think I did. I think I had them when
in the South, But in my mind I just felt
like coming into the year, their defense has generally always
been pretty stout and sturdy. They look to be the
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part this year as well. But it was kind of
the questions surrounding car what is the offense? What exactly
are they going to bring to the table to actually
help what their defense does? And so far, I think
that you can see a balance and seeing that the
type of carries or the type of you know, even
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you know, I guess giving the ball to him. I
don't think he got the ball twice in the past,
but Alvin Kamara is the key. If he goes down,
it's like losing your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
If you ask if there were two teams I didn't
have the balls to think highly of on the show,
and Sam was Arizona New Orleans for the two.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That's not true. You've talked up Arizona. Well, I locked
up Arizona. I know that, I know I talked up
Arizona and New Orleans for them. But you know, I
think I just I don't know about you know, don't
you copied off me? I think you copied off me,
or I went I went opposite of you, because that's
usually you know, the advice that you getting.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I think, to Brady's point, like, this is the Saints
team we thought we were going to get last year,
and that was so frustrating about watching him last year.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's like, what's happening here?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
They're supposed to and Alvin last year, maybe he just
wasn't invested in.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It, That's what I'm saying. I don't I don't know
if he stays locked in and out of elevators and
out of elevators. Yeah, we're gonna be all right. Yeah,
everything's gonna be fine. You gotta believe they're going to
be all right. Yeah, they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
They are going to be tested over the next four games.
They've got the Eagles. It's a long season though.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
At the Falcon. Stay locked it and he gets distracted,
you're going to see the effects of it.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I think Clint Kubiak will find a way of getting
production out of him. I mean, that's the other thing too,
when you see you know what they have behind him,
Like it's.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Not like Jamal Williams. Isn't it capable running back? He is.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
They mix it asom Hill from time to time too.
So that's the other part of this is even if
even if Alvin Kamarre is not there, they still have
some pieces to make this thing go.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I don't think I'm gonna go hard. No, I know
you're gonna stand on the stand on it.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Kara has been there and their offensive struggled. And the
difference is who's calling the plays now, Because he's putting.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You're there, but he is. He's got to stay locked in.
If he stayed down, then if he's a doubt in
the way he needs to do like he was in
yesterday's game, it's going to make Carr that much better.
It's going to make their receivers that much better. It's
going to make this offense that much better. I mean,
Carr was he was dealing. If you asked me, he
was dealing. And and I think part of that that
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confidence comes from what Alvin Kamara gives you on the ground.
There's only there's literally when he's playing at his top
of his game and and to the credit again, like
you said, for the OC, he's got to have confidence
as to him playing that way. He's got to have
the confidence to to want to deliver those types of performances.
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If he does, it's going to I mean, it's it's
They're going to be a pretty formidable team. I know,
you're only a handful of guys that can play like
like how Alvin Kamara plays. So Brady was reaching out
to me earlier.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
He was like, hey, man, do you have like anything
you like in Knox locks for this upcoming week in
week three? And so so let me go ahead and
just get this because Brady was asking this earlier. Cowboys
plus Cowboys plus one at home against the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Book it.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They always bounce back and respawn after a game like this.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
So Baltimore is going to go on three, the Raves
are going to spank Dallas. Wow, book that. Dallas is
going to respond plus one getting a.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Book standing on it, taking his side, book this.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Why don't you book these?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I thought we talked about the strategy was just bet
against Carolina. I mean, they're gonna win a.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Few at some point there that in practice, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
All right, Let let let me get a quarterback's opinion
on somebody who can read and discuss the position as
well as anybody on radio and TV. All right, Brady,
how much of it is on Bryce Young? And how
much of it is on the awful organization that he's
a part of.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Okay, it's not so much the organization. I mean the
offense as a whole is pretty awful right now, and
it starts with the offensive line. And it's more important
for him to have protection more so than anyone else
because he's small. I mean, he's not gonna go to
see He's got to find windows at times. So if
you get any penetration or you get guys who are
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getting push in the pocket, it makes his job even
more difficult.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So it starts to meet with one.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
The organization is bad, whether you or not, whether or
not you want to point to David Tepper as the
singular reason, they'll continue.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
To be bad. It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But the rest of this roster is not helping out
Bryce Young. I mean, they are so far away from
being competitive in the NFL. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
He's making some plays too that I think are making
other people who believe in him start to lose a
little bit of hope. You know, plays that he didn't
make back when he was in college, plays that you
kind of wrote off last year's rookie mistakes. Now in
year two you're saying, I don't know, man, maybe this,
maybe this isn't going in the right direction. Throws, well,
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he's he's got a lot of guys flying at so
it's like, yeah, I just I think that's the tough
part is when you look at the difference in the
NFL and the and the college football game. They're two
different games, and he's a prime example of that as
far as his ability to win a Heisman play as
well as he did during his time in Alabama. And
you can even shock up and say, well, Alabama's superior
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to their opponents. Not really not when he was there.
Like you go back to the teams he was on,
those were not some of the best versions of those
Alabama teams. They had some stars on them, him and
Will Anderson were absolute stars, and then some.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Other really good players, but.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
We're not talking about the same type of dominant teams
and wide receivers, etc. When Bryce Young was starting for him,
it was more of the Bryce Young show. So Unfortunately,
he's now in a position where it is really really
hard to be the type of player that can lift
everyone up else out around you. And I think he's
the type of quarterback that needs a lot more help
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and he's not getting it by any means right now.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Let me ask you a question. Had the roles been
reversed and c J. Stroud ends up in Carolina and
Bryce Young ends up in the Texans, does it play
out the same way similar? I think I don't think similar.
I just think they're both bad. You're saying Carolina and
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Bryce are both bad. I'm saying Carolina would be bad.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
That is so much built for the NFL. I mean,
I was just watching him yesterday. He is so lethally
accurate from the pocket, and his sense of timing and
anticipation everything, and the way he sees the field and
sees the game. I'm not willing to say that because
I do think he would give Carolina a lyft now
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he'd struggled to because it's just not as good of
a team around him. But I don't know. He plays
the game different than Bryce does, and ortunately he would
still be good. You think I think we would still
talk about CJ in a positive light, even on that roster.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think he's that good. See, I think they still stink.
And then when you stink, you what are you doing
right there?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Man?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Why your hand like just on my finger? All right?
All right? Making your stuff together?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Man.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
You show some tendencies when you're like and you're like
you know your thought process, and it's like involunteer, it
was like this, bro, are you handgazing? I was talking
to you. That's all the way you was old. Yeah,
that was.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
With you call.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You showed it sharp, you got problem, no road making
a point. By the way you hold your hand, yeah
all right, well I don't even care to take the break.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, it just like And by the way, David Tepper
is still having these weekly meetings with the head coach,
so I guess it's like every Tuesday Dave Canal.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
His last meeting, he's probably saying, we need to throw
the ball down the field. I don't think they attempted
a ball over twenty yards this past week.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Geez, they're bad. I bet you he's sitting there, sant.
Are there any quarterbacks out there that we can get
a hold of.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
By the way, there's already fans at Panthers games wearing
paper backs.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yes, which is kind of a nice little throwback. You
know the old paperback you.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Oh yeah, you know all about that. You can get
two tickets for like two bucks there or something.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh, it's great. Those things are going pretty cheap. Yeah,
it is not great for Bryce showing a company.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
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Speaker 3 (34:44):
You guys, tell me if I'm being two over dramatic.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yes you are, Okay, I just already heard your take. Well,
but you go ahead. He was this on last night
on the Challenge. Yes it was you let recite.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
He never like changes.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
It's not this is not the same thing. It's a
different angle to this. This is a little bit more
in depth.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
The start for Caleb Williams is way worse than I
expected through two games, Like and it's not just a
hymn problem. Offensively, the Bears are atrocious. They can't protect him,
They're undisciplined, they look disjointed. It is way worse than
(35:27):
I thought it would be. Through two games. I'm sorry, Wow,
am I am I crazy for saying, did you guys
think it was going to look like this?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Because I thought there would be I thought I said
he was going to struggle everybody. You know, I won't
say everybody, but there are a lot of people. All
this negussion, like bruh, like they're not game planning him.
Once they start game planning him, you're going to see
him go through the growing pains of being in the league,
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like Peyton Manning's gone through it, Others have gone through it.
People go through it. So it's just a matter of
him continuing to adjust to learn, and the offense has
to do the same thing. You know, they have to
grow together. I don't think that there should be any
reason and and Q kind of highlighted it in the
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first segment. I don't think there's any reason to think that.
And I cautioned people before we got this far into it,
do not compare him to what CJ. Stroud did last
night the problem and and and for what it's worth,
he kind of brought a little bit of it on
himself as well, maybe not intentionally, but don't do interviews
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where you leave Patrick Mahomes out of the conversation for
greatest effort, like best in the game right now, like
don't leave him out, like don't throw like unnecessary shade,
like put the put put the respect factor out there,
keep it quiet, keep it cool. I just think he's
such a captivating personality. He's he's someone that is worth
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paying attention to. He's got an electric personality on top
of the fact that he's really good at playing ball.
So I think everything is going to be heightened when
you're looking at him. Everything is going to be that
much more of scrutiny and criticisms and all those different things.
I just know it wasn't good Jonas, But I'd say
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giving time, Q.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's just going to take time for this entire organization
to get a team together, offensively speaking, that can actually
win some football games. I mean, outside of the era
with Walter Payton and Jim McMahon, when if we felt
like this team was an offensive juggernaut. Ever never am
(37:50):
I missing something Back in the fifties sixties.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I don't recall.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
And the last time they had an offense that you
could depend on the path more than you could run.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
It wasn't a laugh or yah. No, Lobby Smith, Lovey Smith.
Before the season. I think they were so good at
throwing the football they had to flip a coin.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
That's a true story. I'm glad you finally brought that up. Yeah,
thank you. Look, you got to go back to Eric Kramer,
which is you know, mid nineties, when you know Curtis
Conway was there and and you know all those Bobby Ingram.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yeah, good players, good players.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm not sure. I feel like they were overly reliant.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
They weren't on it, but because that was the best
part of their offense.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
But since then, but it wasn't We're not saying much
then if that was the best play offense.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
The general point is this is, I don't know that
the Chicago Bears ownership knows what they do, even when
they have a quarterback. I'll just be flat out blunt.
I don't know what they know what to do. They
need to build up this offensive line. This group around
him can't protect him. I think they have the pass
catchers on the outside. It's the first year in the offense, though,
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and so everything seems clunky. It doesn't feel like Caleb
Williams has a good feel for it. It doesn't feel
like the guy's running the routes have a good feel
for what they're trying to accomplish. And that's that's on
Shane Waldron to figure out how to get this group
to maximize their potential ability. But last night was more
about the offensive line. Week one I thought was more
about Kayleb Williams. I didn't think he was seeing the
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field very well, you know, just like Bryce Young. When
I looked at how he played in college and what
he was allowed to do and then how that translates
to the NFL. One of my big concerns was the
way he would back out of the pocket. As he
takes his drop. He stands with us, his shoulders parallel
to the line of scrimmage, and he backs out of
the pocket. And the problem is that caused you then
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to go left or right out of the back of
the pocket. Doesn't work in the NFL. Can't do it,
get away with it in college, can't do it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Caleb Williams has had a similar tendency to not take
the first read, not take the easy one, not take
the checkdown, not take what's there for him, and then
you add pressure on top of that, you're only playing
more into that where he's going to feel the need
to want to get outside the pocket and get the
ball out of his hand or make it play. So
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they got to fix the offensive line first and foremost,
but the rest of the offense is still very much
a work in progress. And the problem is is I
do think Caleb's talented enough and special to be one
of those top quarterbacks. I'm just not sure what that
the Bears know what to do with it. I'm not
It's like they got their deep dish pizza, someone brings
out thin cross, Like, what the hell do we do
with this? I'm just saying that that's what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
We've never seen this before.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
It's like they complain about O line picks in April
and then complain about not having an O line in September.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Like it's like.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
You had the opportunity in April to address this. Took
Roma Dunes, like Olu was there, Like that was an opportunity.
And Ryan Poles is a former offensive lineman. And it
surprises me because they take such a nickel and dime approach.
They think just they can get anybody to play center.
They think they can just throw anybody out there. They've
got late round draft picks that are that are playing
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tackle and premium positions.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
And last night he just got exposed. He took way
too many hits cut It felt like he was back
in usc again to a degree. Tua Tua, by the way,
would not have made it out of that game, that's
how bad. There was one hit. There was one play
where he went in almost the same exact way too
went in and got hit way harder. There was like
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two three dudes. I think that hitting at the same time.
He went in head first, as you know, and that,
you know what's crazy is it made me think about
it is like man, like you know, you you watch
and you wonder, is somebody gonna pop up that way?
Like is that going to happen? That I was that
was all my mind every single time there was like
a big hit on a player, but he was getting
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he was getting popped, man, and that there's no doubt
about it. He was taking he was getting punished so
much that even the colored commentators were like, he's getting punished,
Like it's bad out here for him. So I don't know,
I don't know if he could make it through an
entire season getting hit like that and and you know,
twinkle toe in it like Lee would. But there on
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the field, I don't know. Man, Their defense is good again,
pretty good. It's like the same.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
It's the same story for forty years.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
They keep them alive.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Build a defense. They can always build a defense. And
then offensively, it's like, god, we hope they.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Say was that Q? Or was that was that the recording? Okay,
there you go. It's gotten really good at that whole
like move his face away from the mic thing, man, Like.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
I said, Man, I did have long before, by the way,
just not to be like, you know, pull back the
current behind the scenes here. Okay, do you guys ever
have an issue with the headset mic when you're on
the road. It's just like, well, I don't use it anymore.
Well you bring your microphone? Who d don't you?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Well no, but I take it with me though, I'm
like real paranoid that way. I don't like that. I'm
afraid it's gonna break. Yeah. Yeah, I like created like
I found like old like kind of like uh protective
like packages like bags or whatever. And I put put
all the stuff in there from my com rex to everything, gotcha? Yeah,
(43:30):
And then I carry my arm because I know they're like,
is this dude like a sniper or something like that,
Like was he got in his bag because I like,
I carried my bag dangerous? Yeah, that's right. But but
all it is is really a uh it's a microphone arm,
that's all it is.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's like Darnell, you know, don't don't drop that ball
even when in class, you know, you hold.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Onto that Darnell Jefferson. Yeah, good call anyway.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
For whatever reason, mind, when I play on my phone,
it always plays. It's like it starts playing music, can't
get it off your it's and by the way, it's
like not even a song that I've played in years.
I think for some reason, I'm not sure if it's
because it's like a James Bay. So it's like the
B or whatever, but it's like a James Bay. Like, uh,
(44:16):
I don't know what kind of music you can say this,
but I saw him a concert like a decade ago,
and it was like music on my phone from it.
So it immediately starts playing the same song.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And I'm like, what is happening? Why is this doing
this to me? Right now? Yeah? Technologies are real pain
in the ass.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Sometimes it kind of reminds me the Bears, you know,
like here we go, it's happening again.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Man, we can't figure this out. So bad, it's just
so bad.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
What up? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
We are we are off and running here on a
Monday morning. What we're doing following a week two action
in the NFL, That's what it was called? Lots of
lots of stuff going on in college football. Well, I
was waiting for this to happen. I knew it was
going to happen eventually, and I was wondering, all right,
when are we going to take the turn?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
All right?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
When is it going to go from feel good, love
it to the law offices.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Of bitch and moan checking in every single week? Well,
you totally was calling on off hours last night on
the challenge hold on, Well we'll get talked. Well, we'll
get to that later.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
But I was waiting on when the Chiefs were going
to become unlikable.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And I think we're at that point at that point.
Well like, not for me, not for me. I got
no issue with it. They're just who they are, man.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And And here's the thing. The Patriots went through this.
Every dynasty goes through the turn where it's feel good,
it's new, it's fresh, and then all of a sudden,
the accusations start.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
They get every call, they get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And so now following another great matchup between Cincinnati and
Kansas City, people are complaining about defensive pass interference being called.
They're complaining about the Chiefs getting all the calls. It
was clearly a past interference. Kansas City is the best
team in the league. Yeah, we are now at the
point to where I think people are getting fed up
(01:59):
with it and are now bitching and moaning constantly.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think there's a lot of miscalls in all the games.
I mean I saw I was starting to write down
notes on fed up calls, and it was so many
I just stopped. I was like, I don't even because
I'm going to reference and refer to down. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
(02:24):
you could be an a hole about it, but if they
were being honest about it, I just didn't feel like
doing it. I mean I was looking at it. We
could start off Monday with.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
You know, realize the monumental task would have been to
write down all the holding calls.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Especially with everything I got going on, you should before
you started that task I said, don't do it. It's
gonna take too long. Yeah, whatever, Q, you came in
hot today. You know what fines grew you. Hey, but listen,
though there were a lot of bad calls, there have
been bad calls. There were bad calls at college, there
were bad There was a lot of bad calls this weekend.
(03:02):
Like I was looking at it and I felt like
there were some like what was the game? The USC game,
the Southern Carolina game? Bad calls? Organs, you push the
guy dang quarterback on his shoulder? How is that? That's
the That was the one most egregious thing to me
that I've been looking at is how are how the
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quarterbacks are treated? It's like anything and everything. If it's in,
if it's in any type of question, throw the flag.
I don't understand how how was that a what was
it too much? It was too much roughness or something
like that on the quarterback? What was it? What was it?
(03:44):
Because I'm confused anyway, I just saw a lot of
like Shore Kansas City, when they're they're just better, Like, Okay,
there's a lot they get calls, Okay, I get it,
calls go their way, all right. The chiefs are better.
It seems are just they're that team.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's New England all over again. They're going to win
close games.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Don't know if it's New England.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
But here's the thing I'll say why it's not New
England is because they don't act like New England. They
don't play like New England. New England in particular Brady's
first three years, it was much more of a we're
gonna win tight games and we're gonna get by on
a field goal. That was kind of the first three
(04:30):
Super Bowls. It was like, oh, he's gonna drive down
when you have a kick for a field goal. Now, yes,
that's how they won this past week. But it feels
like it's more of Mahomes. It feels like it's more
big plays. It feels like it more comes down to
a drive. Is something else. And I would say that
their defense last year, you might have been say it
was comparable to what the Patriots had early on for
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that reign, but not what their first couple of Super
Bowls were. I mean, the Chiefs defense is getting there.
It wasn't as dominant as the Patriots was, but there's
similarities in the case that if you stay what the
hero long enough, you turn into the villain.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And that's where we're at, right, not to pull line
for Batman, but that's ultimately where we're at, is they
are turning into the villain. And you could chalk it
up to a number of reasons. It always starts off
with the greatness and the haters, because there's going to
be haters when you're that good, all right, just haters heightened.
But then it transitions to even like all the commercials,
(05:29):
the jealousy that comes.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
With that, Oh they get all the calls?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Is there somebolity that yes, well, Taylor Swift that plays part.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Of it, girl.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, But think about this.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
No one's gotten more past interference calls since twenty eighteen,
all right, on plays that would have otherwise been incomplete
or not counted than Patrick Mahomes. I think he's that,
like it's eight sixteen something like that in twenty eighteen.
No one's had more. Now that's not a ton, right,
You're talking about six year, sixth season span, Okay, and
(06:09):
think about how many games that is and then how
many plays that is. You're saying, all right, it's sixteen
eightever whatever many times has been Okay, he's got the
most Well, maybe there's a reason for it, you know.
Maybe the reality is they're the team that defenses are
trying their best to stop in those final moments, and
they get desperate and they make a poor decision, and
it's passive interference. This was like classic passi interference the
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definition of it. On that particular play, I actually thought
the hands to the face, the hands of the face,
called that before that when they converted on fourth and six.
Then they brought it back for the illegal hands to
the face. I thought that was more of a kind
of a I don't know, it seemed more incidental.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
It wasn't as big of an impact even done to
the play as it seemed to be. So then you
back them up the fourth and sixteen. Now you complain
about that. I don't know, I get it. You might
think they get a lot of calls the Realuitiens they're
just that good man.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Pat. Pat didn't even play Patrick didn't even play that well.
They didn't play that well. It was it was the
defense in a lot of ways that that was the
reason why they won that game. I could watch those
two teams play every single day. I don't and they
don't like they get after it and listen, they they
know Spags knows how to to get to them. I
(07:30):
mean they they they pressure him, They they make them
uncomfortable and and they contain like they they you're not
going to stop the Chief's offense. You're not going to
totally stop them. You have to contain them. It's like contain, contain,
contain it. And they do a really really fine job
(07:52):
of doing it. I mean, we watched a masterful job
by flora As yesterday. Defensively, I would have never thought
that that would have took you know, you slow down
a Shanahan offense. But you know what that that there's
just a certain there's a certain group of guys that
know how to defensively scheme and scheme in a way
(08:16):
where it's just it's it's fun to watch watching Cincinnati
play against the Chiefs and how they're able to have
you know, so much, so much success. I mean, I
find it to be pretty it's as a defender, I know,
as some people that may not like it, but like,
(08:38):
I mean, listen, I like seeing that. I like seeing
defensive games, and that was that's generally a defensive game
when you see those two.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I mean the past interference penalty. First of all, it
was the right call. Secondly, Joe burrows fumble is what
changed the game. Like it felt like Cincinnati had an
opportunity to really take advantage. You know, they were up,
they had the ball, they were starting to find something,
and then he fumbles. There's a scoop score and still
they had an opportunity to win that game late. But
(09:05):
I look at it and I go, if you're Cincinnati,
you come away from that game going you feel better
about your performance because you didn't look as bad as
you did in Week one, But there were opportunities for
them to win that game.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Imagine if they're Tennessee. I mean same different one. Two mistakes, Man,
this was I saw a lot of mistakes. You know
what I saw. I saw teams that didn't make mistakes,
like critical mistakes, and I saw teams that make critical mistakes.
And those are differences. I meant Patrick had two interceptions
in the game. How many did how many did how
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many did Caleb Williams have? People were like eating his lunch,
including you, Jonas two hundred? How many? How many interceptions
did he throw? Like three? Two should have been three.
He threw two, So he threw the same amount pretty
much as Patrick Mahomes, and people are like nailing him
to the cross today. Man, it's like the had had
(10:00):
some bad moments, like he had some some I'm just
going to throw the ball up moments. So did Patrick Mahomes.
I'm just throw the ball up moments. Difference is is
Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. So you know it's going
to be judged and looked that differently.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But I'm just it's more calculated by Mahomes when he
throws it up. Guys come down with the ball or
they get like a past interference. Other guys do it.
It's like, oh.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You do that?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
The can Taylor britt interception, the one handed grab indible?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
All right? Is that gloves or is that grip?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's both, but it's both. I mean, give the man credit.
You don't make a pick like that and not have
some sort of hands to it. But can I give
you an overarching theme that I think we're seeing right
now in the NFL as well as college, because I
feel like we're not gonna newsflash, We're not going to
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have a rookie quarterback that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Plays as well with CJ.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Stroud last year. Is that safe to say? Okay, yes,
a novealy like that doesn't come around very often. And
I think they went back to show like he led
the league in passing yards per game at what two
seventy five, which you have to go back to like
the Sammy Baugh era, right, So we're not going to
see that again. It's very clear, very evident. Even though
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we had that many quarterbacks taken in the top of
the first round. What we're seeing them at both levels
is quarterbacks who are kind of thrust it into play.
Like in college right now, the transfer portal, you get
these coaches who want to go after a quarterback and
they've got a guy who's got experience, or he's a
little older, so he's an upperclassman, and their thought is, well,
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we're gonna plug him into our offense and this offense
will be able to make him work.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, there's a few exceptions.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Cam Woard's the only exception in my mind right now,
based on what we've seen in college football as far
as seeing a guy who's truly excelling at a really
really high level at a blue blood, big stage school.
I mean, I guess you could you may throw in
coleb Accords at a good job so far at Syracuse,
but there are a lot of guys who are struggling
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or applying just average. And then you go to the
NFL level and you get all these rookies who these
teams have drafted them, they want to play them right away,
and they're struggling. They are not playing the way we
saw at least even in preseason. Now you've got teams
game planning for you and the struggles real. And so
that's not to say that they're not going to be
able to figure it out and continue to grow and
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everyone's gonna have a different learning curve. But the truth is,
we look at some of the best in the league
and how they got their opportunity to play. It was
either a long time of playing and allowing them to
develop and not making this snap judgment on what they're
going to be or what they are as a quarterback
after even their rookie year or their second year like
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Josh Allen who went into three years of playing three
full years of playing, or you sit them do what
exactly what Drowd Mayo's doing in New England and you say,
I have a guy, but I don't think he's ready yet,
so I'm having Jacoby Brissette take us out and look,
we're gonna lose some games, lost one to Seattle yesterday,
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but it's what's best for an organization and Drake may
moving forward. Otherwise you might get hurt like Jon Daniels
did in Washington, or you're gonna go out there and
you're not gonna look anywhere close to what you did
in preseason, like bow Nick so far, Killer Williams so far.
So there's a bunch of examples of it, but that's
to me, even the overarching theory theme after three weeks
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of college and two weeks so far in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
By the way, cam Warden now the favorite to win
the Heisman courtesy DraftKings.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
As he should be.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
The dude throws lasers, and he also should be talked
about as the top end of the first round. He's
that impressive. At first, I was like, all right, is
he really six ' too? I'm curious to see his hype,
But man, his poise, the way he plays like he's
got everything, every slanging it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Here on Fox Sports, Lar Arrington Brady. So we are
going to have coming up later on. Now, by the way,
we're gonna have Lee's leftovers. We don't have well, we
don't have which.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Ones the ones that's going on right now? The left
right now? What a different? Well which ones you talk?
That's all different? Left over? Universal CityWalk got Lee? Uh,
and so now we're all to anybody could how did
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the challenge go last night? Absolutely? I watched it better
better than week one. Well, I don't know what week
one looked like because I just saw it and went
to sleep, But last night was was good. And you
wore different color suit? Man, God blessed? Was he went
all black? Blue? Blue?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, maybe with some light blue.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Rob Rob had on like the old head like you know, jacket,
what about blue or what's his name? Uh? Who Manola, No,
he's not there. He's not there. Limited appearances this year.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Okay, okay, probably for the better, but it was still interesting.
I think that kind of ran its course. If you
want me to be honest, I'm just saying from the
clips I saw, it's like, you know, I mean, I
think we can move.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It wasn't the show, but yeah, Lee Rena did show up.
They were there made an appearance.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And everyone don't start that what.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
They're not together?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Nobody's saying there together, but it just works.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I mean, Lorena, why would you be so defiant saying that?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I mean, like couple's names, I know, but then something
start with els.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
We have LeVar, Lee and Lorena, but we ain't doing
Lee Rena.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
She's right, because you don't invite LeVar, you invite Lee out.
I asked Mark he wanted to go today? He said HeiG, no,
I don't want to watch jonas that. It was like
that are going you want to go? You want some
pros f No, I.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Don't know Lorena and hung out with Lee before.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Why are you like trying to distance yourself? Alfred? How
bad was I getting murdered? Did something changed the past week?
By the way, you want to know? You want to
know the best part to know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So Lee walks up and some guy from the production
crew comes back and he goes, hey, man, there's some
guy there like named Lee or whatever, and like he says,
he's like here for the show or something like oh yeah,
I know. When I walk over there and Lee's literally
like it lit up salmon shorts. Everyone's like, what's with
this guy. I was like, oh, salmon, what did you say?
(16:56):
What you were salmon pants? That is true, Yeah, but
he was the only one like it was. Everyone was
kind of, uh, why are you let him out like that?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, you're making You're literally talking about yourself at times.
I wasn't. This is how we talked about you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I wasn't wearing shorts. I know you.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Weren't last week. There's times when you do stuff. Were like,
you're the only one.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I mean, look, we're at a golf course and I
was told that that dress code was appropriate where everyone.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Else was wearing shorts list and you wore long salmon pants.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Look, I know you're new to Tartan Field. Let me
explain how this works. You go there and they say listen,
no jeans, all right, no, like a T shirts, nothing
like that. So I walked in with some salmon pants
and a decent golf shirt that was like eleven dollars
and uh and.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
We made it worse stress for us. Yeah, so what
I mean, get you said was slurring his words when
he was trying to get Yeah, let's try. That's well,
that's the other.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Part that lead right now.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Oh, he's the leftovers be sharing leftovers.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Saren, I did hit up Lee on the radio yesterday
because I go watch this also with Chopper and I
go Lee will be the only one who will have
his radio on spond right away. And so Chopper was
talking to Lee on the radio, Lee was talking back
to really oh yeah, a full blown conversation.
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Speaker 3 (19:43):
I'll say this, man, when when the cow When the
cow When the Cowboys lose, they get the doors blown
off them. And that game was not closed yesterday. And
I don't know if it's more of a product of
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the Cowboys having a letdown or the New Orleans Saints
were way better than we.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Think they can. I ask this question, Yeah, does how
you lose matter?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Does it? Or does it only matter for a team
like Dallas because so much of what they are is
the perception of what.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
They are truth.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yes, and it's probably better for business if they get
blown out. Is it from a national standpoint? Yeah, you're
on one side of the fence of the other. There's
a lot of haters out there, and there's a lot
of people that that root for the Cowboys. You're gonna
feed some food group there, or feed one part of it.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
So I guess I just I look at first off,
to me, this game was more about the Saints than
I was about the Cowboys, And it's more about the
fact that this entire offseason there's your off season super
Bowl champs, whoever you want to chalk that up to.
A lot of teams made some moves and build up
the roster. I think it was probably the team that
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I came away with thinking that about because of the
Cousins deal. They go get the future quarterback and Michael
Pennix and they're still able to get some other players too.
But we tend to forget sometimes like the NFL is
not one in the offseason. All the hype surrounding some
of those teams doesn't matter. The Saints were like the
least hype team of any in the NFL, and they've
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so far blown the doors off now of two opponents.
Granted Carolina week one, you're saying, okay, but now Dallas
and eliminating Micah Parsons from really having much of an
impact whatsoever. I don't know that it can be overstated
the difference in what Clint Kubiak has brought to this
offense and sparking creativity and the big playability with what
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they have. I think he's a perfect fit bringing more
of the outside zone running scheme to Alvin Kamara, who's
a great fit for them, but also just Shaheed and
all the other pieces they have finding ways of putting
them in positions to succeed. So I want to give
a big, big shout out and credit to Clint Kubiak
for the job he's done, because that feels like the
biggest difference. But I also wonder, in this small sample size,
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you know, how much of it had to do with
the fact that, you know, he's playing a defense in
Mike Zimmer, who he knows this scheme very well. He
was in Minnesota last couple of years Mike Zimmer was
there was the head coach. You know, his dad had
coached with Mike Zimmer Gary Kubiak.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Of familiarity I think with that scheme. So I wonder
if it was that, you know, week one, I wonder
iful'll just say how bad's Carolina. But part of me
wants to think like this thing is going to last
the rest of the season, because this has been This
has been the Saints team that, like we said, going
into the season last year, they're the most talented roster
by falling the NFC South, they were the betting favorites
by wide margin, and they largely underproduced. Now, if you
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can get this roster to play up to their capabilities,
here they are and so it's pretty incredible to watch
what's happened so far this season.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
It's Alvin Kamara. The offense goes through Alvin Kamara. If
Alvin Kamara is dowed in, locked in and is playing well,
this New Orleans offense has the opportunity and the ability
to play off of what he does best, which is
kind of everything you know, he's he's at one point,
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I mean, if we recall correctly, at one point it
was him and what was it Mike Williams, who is
who is the receiver? That was like it was him
and Davante Adams that were the two top receivers and
in the league. I think it is what Mike was
it Mike Thomas, Michael Thomas Thomas, but Alvin Kamara was
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also in the conversation of best running backs in the league.
And and for what it's worth, if my memory serves
me correctly, he was that versatile, multi dimensional back that
we're talking about and looking at how Smack is looked
at and what he brings to the table like just
a very versatile player. If he if he continues to
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stay healthy and he continues to play the way that
he plays, it's going to And I said that this
is what would make the difference for green Bay. Even
though green Bay won, I would say that losing that
that type of player that Aaron Aaron Williams, Aaron Aaron Jones,
Aaron Jones, what would impact them because I felt like
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their offense went through Aaron Jones. This offense goes through
Alvin Kamara. And so as long as he can take
and keep that pressure off of Car and keep it
off of those those receivers and give them, you know,
the ability and the opportunities for a Car to find
in the in the offense coordinators to find the matchups
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that work best. This could be a very very dangerous team.
I don't know that i'd said they would win the South.
I think I did. I think I had them when
in the South, But in my mind I just felt
like coming into the year, their defense has generally always
been pretty stout and sturdy. They look to be the
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part this year as well. But it was kind of
the questions surrounding car what is the offense? What exactly
are they going to bring to the table to actually
help what their defense does? And so far, I think
that you can see a balance and seeing that the
type of carries or the type of you know, even
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you know, I guess giving the ball to him. I
don't think he got the ball twice in the past,
but Alvin Kamara is the key. If he goes down,
it's like losing your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
If you ask if there were two teams I didn't
have the balls to think highly of on the show,
and Sam was Arizona New Orleans for the two.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That's not true. You've talked up Arizona. Well, I locked
up Arizona. I know that, I know I talked up
Arizona and New Orleans for them. But you know, I
think I just I don't know about you know, don't
you copied off me? I think you copied off me,
or I went I went opposite of you, because that's
usually you know, the advice that you getting.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I think, to Brady's point, like, this is the Saints
team we thought we were going to get last year,
and that was so frustrating about watching him last year.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's like, what's happening here?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
They're supposed to and Alvin last year, maybe he just
wasn't invested in.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It, That's what I'm saying. I don't I don't know
if he stays locked in and out of elevators and
out of elevators. Yeah, we're gonna be all right. Yeah,
everything's gonna be fine. You gotta believe they're going to
be all right. Yeah, they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
They are going to be tested over the next four games.
They've got the Eagles. It's a long season though.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
At the Falcon. Stay locked it and he gets distracted,
you're going to see the effects of it.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I think Clint Kubiak will find a way of getting
production out of him. I mean, that's the other thing too,
when you see you know what they have behind him,
Like it's.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Not like Jamal Williams. Isn't it capable running back? He is.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
They mix it asom Hill from time to time too.
So that's the other part of this is even if
even if Alvin Kamarre is not there, they still have
some pieces to make this thing go.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I don't think I'm gonna go hard. No, I know
you're gonna stand on the stand on it.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Kara has been there and their offensive struggled. And the
difference is who's calling the plays now, Because he's putting.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You're there, but he is. He's got to stay locked in.
If he stayed down, then if he's a doubt in
the way he needs to do like he was in
yesterday's game, it's going to make Carr that much better.
It's going to make their receivers that much better. It's
going to make this offense that much better. I mean,
Carr was he was dealing. If you asked me, he
was dealing. And and I think part of that that
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confidence comes from what Alvin Kamara gives you on the ground.
There's only there's literally when he's playing at his top
of his game and and to the credit again, like
you said, for the OC, he's got to have confidence
as to him playing that way. He's got to have
the confidence to to want to deliver those types of performances.
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If he does, it's going to I mean, it's it's
They're going to be a pretty formidable team. I know,
you're only a handful of guys that can play like
like how Alvin Kamara plays. So Brady was reaching out
to me earlier.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
He was like, hey, man, do you have like anything
you like in Knox locks for this upcoming week in
week three? And so so let me go ahead and
just get this because Brady was asking this earlier. Cowboys
plus Cowboys plus one at home against the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Book it.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They always bounce back and respawn after a game like this.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
So Baltimore is going to go on three, the Raves
are going to spank Dallas. Wow, book that. Dallas is
going to respond plus one getting a.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Book standing on it, taking his side, book this.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Why don't you book these?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I thought we talked about the strategy was just bet
against Carolina. I mean, they're gonna win a.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Few at some point there that in practice, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
All right, Let let let me get a quarterback's opinion
on somebody who can read and discuss the position as
well as anybody on radio and TV. All right, Brady,
how much of it is on Bryce Young? And how
much of it is on the awful organization that he's
a part of.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Okay, it's not so much the organization. I mean the
offense as a whole is pretty awful right now, and
it starts with the offensive line. And it's more important
for him to have protection more so than anyone else
because he's small. I mean, he's not gonna go to
see He's got to find windows at times. So if
you get any penetration or you get guys who are
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getting push in the pocket, it makes his job even
more difficult.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So it starts to meet with one.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
The organization is bad, whether you or not, whether or
not you want to point to David Tepper as the
singular reason, they'll continue.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
To be bad. It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But the rest of this roster is not helping out
Bryce Young. I mean, they are so far away from
being competitive in the NFL. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
He's making some plays too that I think are making
other people who believe in him start to lose a
little bit of hope. You know, plays that he didn't
make back when he was in college, plays that you
kind of wrote off last year's rookie mistakes. Now in
year two you're saying, I don't know, man, maybe this,
maybe this isn't going in the right direction. Throws, well,
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he's he's got a lot of guys flying at so
it's like, yeah, I just I think that's the tough
part is when you look at the difference in the
NFL and the and the college football game. They're two
different games, and he's a prime example of that as
far as his ability to win a Heisman play as
well as he did during his time in Alabama. And
you can even shock up and say, well, Alabama's superior
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to their opponents. Not really not when he was there.
Like you go back to the teams he was on,
those were not some of the best versions of those
Alabama teams. They had some stars on them, him and
Will Anderson were absolute stars, and then some.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Other really good players, but.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
We're not talking about the same type of dominant teams
and wide receivers, etc. When Bryce Young was starting for him,
it was more of the Bryce Young show. So Unfortunately,
he's now in a position where it is really really
hard to be the type of player that can lift
everyone up else out around you. And I think he's
the type of quarterback that needs a lot more help
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and he's not getting it by any means right now.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Let me ask you a question. Had the roles been
reversed and c J. Stroud ends up in Carolina and
Bryce Young ends up in the Texans, does it play
out the same way similar? I think I don't think similar.
I just think they're both bad. You're saying Carolina and
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Bryce are both bad. I'm saying Carolina would be bad.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
That is so much built for the NFL. I mean,
I was just watching him yesterday. He is so lethally
accurate from the pocket, and his sense of timing and
anticipation everything, and the way he sees the field and
sees the game. I'm not willing to say that because
I do think he would give Carolina a lyft now
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he'd struggled to because it's just not as good of
a team around him. But I don't know. He plays
the game different than Bryce does, and ortunately he would
still be good. You think I think we would still
talk about CJ in a positive light, even on that roster.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think he's that good. See, I think they still stink.
And then when you stink, you what are you doing
right there?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Man?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Why your hand like just on my finger? All right?
All right? Making your stuff together?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Man.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
You show some tendencies when you're like and you're like
you know your thought process, and it's like involunteer, it
was like this, bro, are you handgazing? I was talking
to you. That's all the way you was old. Yeah,
that was.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
With you call.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You showed it sharp, you got problem, no road making
a point. By the way you hold your hand, yeah
all right, well I don't even care to take the break.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, it just like And by the way, David Tepper
is still having these weekly meetings with the head coach,
so I guess it's like every Tuesday Dave Canal.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
His last meeting, he's probably saying, we need to throw
the ball down the field. I don't think they attempted
a ball over twenty yards this past week.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Geez, they're bad. I bet you he's sitting there, sant.
Are there any quarterbacks out there that we can get
a hold of.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
By the way, there's already fans at Panthers games wearing
paper backs.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yes, which is kind of a nice little throwback. You
know the old paperback you.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Oh yeah, you know all about that. You can get
two tickets for like two bucks there or something.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh, it's great. Those things are going pretty cheap. Yeah,
it is not great for Bryce showing a company.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
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Speaker 3 (34:44):
You guys, tell me if I'm being two over dramatic.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yes you are, Okay, I just already heard your take. Well,
but you go ahead. He was this on last night
on the Challenge. Yes it was you let recite.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
He never like changes.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
It's not this is not the same thing. It's a
different angle to this. This is a little bit more
in depth.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
The start for Caleb Williams is way worse than I
expected through two games, Like and it's not just a
hymn problem. Offensively, the Bears are atrocious. They can't protect him,
They're undisciplined, they look disjointed. It is way worse than
(35:27):
I thought it would be. Through two games. I'm sorry, Wow,
am I am I crazy for saying, did you guys
think it was going to look like this?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Because I thought there would be I thought I said
he was going to struggle everybody. You know, I won't
say everybody, but there are a lot of people. All
this negussion, like bruh, like they're not game planning him.
Once they start game planning him, you're going to see
him go through the growing pains of being in the league,
(35:54):
like Peyton Manning's gone through it, Others have gone through it.
People go through it. So it's just a matter of
him continuing to adjust to learn, and the offense has
to do the same thing. You know, they have to
grow together. I don't think that there should be any
reason and and Q kind of highlighted it in the
(36:14):
first segment. I don't think there's any reason to think that.
And I cautioned people before we got this far into it,
do not compare him to what CJ. Stroud did last
night the problem and and and for what it's worth,
he kind of brought a little bit of it on
himself as well, maybe not intentionally, but don't do interviews
(36:37):
where you leave Patrick Mahomes out of the conversation for
greatest effort, like best in the game right now, like
don't leave him out, like don't throw like unnecessary shade,
like put the put put the respect factor out there,
keep it quiet, keep it cool. I just think he's
such a captivating personality. He's he's someone that is worth
(37:02):
paying attention to. He's got an electric personality on top
of the fact that he's really good at playing ball.
So I think everything is going to be heightened when
you're looking at him. Everything is going to be that
much more of scrutiny and criticisms and all those different things.
I just know it wasn't good Jonas, But I'd say
(37:23):
giving time, Q.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's just going to take time for this entire organization
to get a team together, offensively speaking, that can actually
win some football games. I mean, outside of the era
with Walter Payton and Jim McMahon, when if we felt
like this team was an offensive juggernaut. Ever never am
(37:50):
I missing something Back in the fifties sixties.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I don't recall.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
And the last time they had an offense that you
could depend on the path more than you could run.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
It wasn't a laugh or yah. No, Lobby Smith, Lovey Smith.
Before the season. I think they were so good at
throwing the football they had to flip a coin.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
That's a true story. I'm glad you finally brought that up. Yeah,
thank you. Look, you got to go back to Eric Kramer,
which is you know, mid nineties, when you know Curtis
Conway was there and and you know all those Bobby Ingram.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yeah, good players, good players.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm not sure. I feel like they were overly reliant.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
They weren't on it, but because that was the best
part of their offense.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
But since then, but it wasn't We're not saying much
then if that was the best play offense.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
The general point is this is, I don't know that
the Chicago Bears ownership knows what they do, even when
they have a quarterback. I'll just be flat out blunt.
I don't know what they know what to do. They
need to build up this offensive line. This group around
him can't protect him. I think they have the pass
catchers on the outside. It's the first year in the offense, though,
(39:04):
and so everything seems clunky. It doesn't feel like Caleb
Williams has a good feel for it. It doesn't feel
like the guy's running the routes have a good feel
for what they're trying to accomplish. And that's that's on
Shane Waldron to figure out how to get this group
to maximize their potential ability. But last night was more
about the offensive line. Week one I thought was more
about Kayleb Williams. I didn't think he was seeing the
(39:25):
field very well, you know, just like Bryce Young. When
I looked at how he played in college and what
he was allowed to do and then how that translates
to the NFL. One of my big concerns was the
way he would back out of the pocket. As he
takes his drop. He stands with us, his shoulders parallel
to the line of scrimmage, and he backs out of
the pocket. And the problem is that caused you then
(39:47):
to go left or right out of the back of
the pocket. Doesn't work in the NFL. Can't do it,
get away with it in college, can't do it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Caleb Williams has had a similar tendency to not take
the first read, not take the easy one, not take
the checkdown, not take what's there for him, and then
you add pressure on top of that, you're only playing
more into that where he's going to feel the need
to want to get outside the pocket and get the
ball out of his hand or make it play. So
(40:19):
they got to fix the offensive line first and foremost,
but the rest of the offense is still very much
a work in progress. And the problem is is I
do think Caleb's talented enough and special to be one
of those top quarterbacks. I'm just not sure what that
the Bears know what to do with it. I'm not
It's like they got their deep dish pizza, someone brings
out thin cross, Like, what the hell do we do
with this? I'm just saying that that's what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
We've never seen this before.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
It's like they complain about O line picks in April
and then complain about not having an O line in September.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Like it's like.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
You had the opportunity in April to address this. Took
Roma Dunes, like Olu was there, Like that was an opportunity.
And Ryan Poles is a former offensive lineman. And it
surprises me because they take such a nickel and dime approach.
They think just they can get anybody to play center.
They think they can just throw anybody out there. They've
got late round draft picks that are that are playing
(41:17):
tackle and premium positions.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
And last night he just got exposed. He took way
too many hits cut It felt like he was back
in usc again to a degree. Tua Tua, by the way,
would not have made it out of that game, that's
how bad. There was one hit. There was one play
where he went in almost the same exact way too
went in and got hit way harder. There was like
(41:42):
two three dudes. I think that hitting at the same time.
He went in head first, as you know, and that,
you know what's crazy is it made me think about
it is like man, like you know, you you watch
and you wonder, is somebody gonna pop up that way?
Like is that going to happen? That I was that
was all my mind every single time there was like
a big hit on a player, but he was getting
(42:04):
he was getting popped, man, and that there's no doubt
about it. He was taking he was getting punished so
much that even the colored commentators were like, he's getting punished,
Like it's bad out here for him. So I don't know,
I don't know if he could make it through an
entire season getting hit like that and and you know,
twinkle toe in it like Lee would. But there on
(42:26):
the field, I don't know. Man, Their defense is good again,
pretty good. It's like the same.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
It's the same story for forty years.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
They keep them alive.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Build a defense. They can always build a defense. And
then offensively, it's like, god, we hope they.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Say was that Q? Or was that was that the recording? Okay,
there you go. It's gotten really good at that whole
like move his face away from the mic thing, man, Like.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
I said, Man, I did have long before, by the way,
just not to be like, you know, pull back the
current behind the scenes here. Okay, do you guys ever
have an issue with the headset mic when you're on
the road. It's just like, well, I don't use it anymore.
Well you bring your microphone? Who d don't you?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Well no, but I take it with me though, I'm
like real paranoid that way. I don't like that. I'm
afraid it's gonna break. Yeah. Yeah, I like created like
I found like old like kind of like uh protective
like packages like bags or whatever. And I put put
all the stuff in there from my com rex to everything, gotcha? Yeah,
(43:30):
And then I carry my arm because I know they're like,
is this dude like a sniper or something like that,
Like was he got in his bag because I like,
I carried my bag dangerous? Yeah, that's right. But but
all it is is really a uh it's a microphone arm,
that's all it is.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's like Darnell, you know, don't don't drop that ball
even when in class, you know, you hold.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Onto that Darnell Jefferson. Yeah, good call anyway.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
For whatever reason, mind, when I play on my phone,
it always plays. It's like it starts playing music, can't
get it off your it's and by the way, it's
like not even a song that I've played in years.
I think for some reason, I'm not sure if it's
because it's like a James Bay. So it's like the
B or whatever, but it's like a James Bay. Like, uh,
(44:16):
I don't know what kind of music you can say this,
but I saw him a concert like a decade ago,
and it was like music on my phone from it.
So it immediately starts playing the same song.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And I'm like, what is happening? Why is this doing
this to me? Right now? Yeah? Technologies are real pain
in the ass.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Sometimes it kind of reminds me the Bears, you know,
like here we go, it's happening again.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Man, we can't figure this out. So bad, it's just
so bad.
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