September 20, 2024 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arings, Rady Win and Jonas Knots on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I mean, it is convenient, hey, baby, it is convenient.
We got these quote unquote phantom tech issues from the
Jets and Rogers hater himself after Aaron Rodgers was dealing
last night for the New York Jets. He looks good, man,
he looks great.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Although the I mean, here's the takeaway from the game.
As great as he looked. We kind of expected it.
We talked about it yesterday. This was the largest uh.
I guess betting odds for the Jets is a favorite
versus the Patriots since two thousand. It had been twenty
four years. And that's how long it's been since since
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the Jets could be considered a touchdown favorite. And they
took care of business. They were dominant. Rogers was masterful
at times. I mean, one of the things that I
took away just from watching him was it's how accurate
he is with every single pass, even the short passes,
like putting guys in a position to catch and run though,
and how that makes such a big difference for yards
(01:19):
after the catch. Just to make the little player do
a bigger play, and guys, especially at the pro level,
truly appreciate that. But what everyone's going to talk about
is the Aaron Rodgers Robert Salah embrace or lack thereof.
And what the hell was Rogers saying to Roberts?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean, what's the problem? Listen? You know that just
in the heat of battle. I got no issue with
it whatsoever. It didn't seem awkward at all to me.
I don't know what you're trying to get at here,
trying to stir the pod. It's clearly all right, Well,
let's just hear Rogers. Did we have Rogers talking about
the awkward exchange with Robert Sala This was his answers
(02:00):
to what the hell that was last night.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
He's not a big hugger usually, so I don't know
he was going for the hug. He likes to do
the two hand chest push as well, but he talks
a lot about two score leads. So I just kind
of game a push and said two score lead, that's
what happens.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Now, Robert Salad did corroborate that story and that afterwards
that that's what happened. Look, I don't know what, do
you have.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Another option at this point? No, because the worst thing
happened last night, So Robert Sala that could happen is
you just realized that your entire team plays so much
like think about how much better the defense was, again
a byproduct of the Patriots offensive line struggling. There's some
mismatches up front. They really have no firepower outside of
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Taekwon Thornton and I guess drawing a p I like
he's got some speed. Douglas has some speed, but there
was no threat. So their defense played on edge the
entire time and was able to get after Jacoby Brissette
for like seven sacks. So I'm not sure this was
the game to showcase it. But the point is everyone
plays for Rogers when they see him dealing like this,
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when they see him playing up to his capabilities. He's
got complete control over that organization, even more so probably
than Robert Sala. And that's gonna be an unsettling thing
at this point because it's like, what's he gonna say?
You know, Ultimately, Aaron Rodgers is the leader of this team.
His word, his say, and whether people like that or
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not on the outside is the only thing that matters
to those guys in the locker room. And I can
assure you of that three games.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Into the season.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So he's basically got Robert Sala's fate and his balls
in the palm of his hand.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Like yes, I'm not sure if you could see that,
but in his left hand is Robert Sala's balls.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, and then he's got his fate. That makes sense.
I mean, now that cleared it up for me. Now
I understand what's happening here, and it does feel like
spite whatever, you know, they're trying to create this harmonious
relationship between the two publicly, there is something there like
there's there's an awkwardness there, and I don't know if
it goes back to Robert Slam making it a point
(04:14):
to let everybody know it was an unexcused absence this offseason.
There was some reporting afterwards it might have been Diana Rassini,
but who the hell knows who came out and said, well,
you know it was you know that that kind of
irked Rogers. He didn't understand why it was presented that way.
So there is sort of this little tension that does
appear to be there between.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Those two Honestly, the vibe I get is that he's like, Gosh,
these guys are idiots.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
There's times I agree, yes.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Like I think it was one of the players there.
I don't know if it was a jet sweep or
what exact play it was, but I remember Rogers looked
over the sideline and you could tell that was a
Nathaniel Hackett call, and he just like shook his head
and kind of just looked over like you idiot, Like
why were you calling that? It was? It was one
of the funniest looks because I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Yeah,
I know how that feels.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Like.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I remember being in a position where you would have
a play call come in and you know this is
going to work. You know, call it, run it, you know,
call run it, and you're just going, okay, and then
you end up running it and you just look over
there and you're like, yeah, I knew that wasn't going
to work you a whole But that's that's usually. That's
usually how the Dynamics worked with quarterbacks and a play caller.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Now, Rogers did talk about this was his first game
back since the injury from a playing standpoint, and not
carrying the flag out like last time, and just sort
of how he felt in response to what happened the
last time he did suit up for the Jets on
that field at that game to open up last year.
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I was hoping I wouldn't have to make a decision
about whether to carry a flag or not, because I
was probably going to be the only guy that wouldn't.
I'm fustitious and maybe not superstitious, but I think I
would have passed on that. But you know, I felt
a really good calm about it. Honestly, I didn't think
a whole lot about it. Obviously it was emotional to
come back home for the first time since then, but
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I really think the first week kind of took a
lot of the fears and anxiety of plan out, and
tonight I felt like I played pretty free.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know what's cool about the whole thing is he's
one of the all time greats, and I think sometimes
we get so caught up in the weeds. And I
don't mean we because I try and have a pretty
good perspective about this to where he appreciate, you know
what you got while it's here, because you're not going
to see quarterback play to this level that often for
maybe ever, and so if he's one of the all
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time greats, it's kind of cool to see. As the
game went on and as we get from week one
to week two, this is on a short week back
at home, him sort of realizing, oh, I still got this,
Like it's still there, Like I'm still a great player,
like throwing on the run, some of the you know,
some of the plays he made, the throw to Garrett Wilson,
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like just you see that sort of part of it
to where he's getting you We're only three weeks in.
I would imagine he's just going to get better and
better throughout the course of the year.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
If he's healthy, I was to say, and that last
point you just made is the most important. He's got
to stay healthy. One of the first things I thought
watching him last night we were was moving. I was like,
you know, he doesn't move as well as he once did,
but that's to be expected. He's forty years old and
he's coming off in achilles injuries. So part of me thinks, like, well,
that will get better as the season goes, But part
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of me thinks, well, it kind of depends because you've
always got a few nagging injuries. I mean, that's the
reality of playing in the NFL, and you're going to
take shots that are necessary. Josh Uchay, you know, got
him with one last night that you know, got penalized
and got flagged. But that's just life in the NFL.
And you've got fourteen more games to go. So I hope,
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I hope that's the case where he stays healthy because
the NFL needs this right like after the quarterback we
play we've seen in the first couple of weeks, Yes,
we need this. This is that old veteran who's like
was taught the right way, plays the game the right way,
sees the feel the right way, and hopefully we'll have
an opportunity to get into it. I don't know if
it's next segment soon, but at least my interpretation of
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why quarterback play right now is struggling so bad. I
think there's about four things you can point to that
have accumulated to this. But I also think they're pretty
dead on as to where.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We're at now as far as the Jets go moving forward.
So we've got next week on some extra rest, they're
going to be hosting the Broncos. I'm sure there's still
some let's do it for Nat Hackett in that building, correct,
like like let's let's show like, let's show Sean, I
don't think they care. You don't you think it's over?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Not at all?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
That ship is sailed like that's like they're not.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I don't think they care that much. Yeah, I think
it's I think it's over. I mean Russell, you know everyone.
It's just it's more like a Russell revenge tour.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I mean, so now we've got that lined up, they
could be three and one, should be three and one.
Then you've got that London game against the Vikings. Who
knows how that plays out. Like there's a real change
coming up on Monday night in week six against the
Bills that we're talking about to establish dominance in the
AFC East six weeks in and our jets that we've
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been pounding the table for for all these months are
letting everybody know, putting everybody on blast, we're forced to
be reckoned with and our quarterbacks getting healthier every week.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well, I think you and I looked through their schedule, right,
We did our homework, we did the research, we looked
through the schedule and said they were going to get
off to a hot star. It's the back half of
the season that's more concerning a for the health of
this roster their team. I mean, Morgan Moses went down
the last night of right tackle. They're fortunate to have
a first round pick and oulu Fashanu who can come
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in as that swing tackle. It doesn't matter if it's
a right or left tackle. He was their top ten pick.
He's the guy that's capable of being that guy to
play their left or right probably at a pretty high level.
So hopefully I haven't seen the injury report yet for
Morgan Moses, but hopefully he's able to come back, because
that's the one thing that just can scerns me about
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the Jets. It's not a very deep roster. After their
starting unit. They can roll some guys through off the
edge and up front, you know, but they already lost
Jermaine Johnson.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
That was a hit.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Will McDonald the draft pick from a couple of years ago.
He showed out so far this year. That's great, but
you lose him, Oh it's slim pickens behind that. Maybe
you actually go back to the negotiation table with Hassan Reddick,
But I think I think you get the point. They've
got to stay healthy, like this roster more so than others.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
When you look throughout you know the.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Different AFC teams who can weather the storm a little bit.
Like I've kind of talked about that in the past
with Philly, even with Sam Fran and we look at atf
C Mac. They don't have a Deebo Sammy right now.
They might not have Kittle this week, but they've got
enough depth there other position players, star players. They can
get by with that, you know, for a few weeks.
So that that's my only concern is as they hit
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it into the second half the season, are they healthy
and then where they at at that point? You know,
with Rogers, this offense, the team, the way they're playing,
because that's the much more difficult part of the schedule.
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Speaker 6 (12:19):
Hey, fellas, could I throw something out at y'all, like
just I just stumbled upon it, Like I'm just hanging
out on social media a little bit.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I know we did.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I don't want to get off script, but I mean,
do y'all see this stuff, like like the circulating around
Bryce Young Losses starting job as a quarterback and as
a boyfriend, Like, did.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Y'all see this? Are y'all up on this? You know
what happened?
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Apparently apparently his former girlfriend. I guess ex girlfriend is
now Dayton Tyrese Maxi. It was like seen on the
Jumbo tron, but just not too long ago, was seen
you know at training camp with with Bryce. You know,
kind of just surfaced that, you know, they was at
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the Philadelphia Eagles game and they put Tyrese Maxey on
the on the Jumbo tron, and it happened to be
a young lady that looked familiar to people, and so
people started like kind of digging into it and they
figured out that it was Bryce youngs I believe, actually
I hope it's his ex girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, you know, it's been a rough rough stretch.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
That's a rough goal, man. Yeah, yeah, that's a rough goal.
May you never want to lose that way. You know,
he's a good guy. He'll be all right. It is
a good guy man.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know, you hate hate when that happens.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
You know, I gotta hate it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Man, Summer rentals and some you buy. He just had
a rental. It's all good. He'll be fine, He'll land
on his feet. It is okay, it is.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
That's great advice, Jonas saying, love doctor.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know sometimes you buy somethings. Now, now that being said,
there has been an issue not just not just Bryce Young,
but there's been an issue with offenses, and there's been
an issue with the passing game in the NFL for
the first couple of weeks, and people are trying to
figure out what the problem is. And mel kiper Junior
(14:19):
of ESPN, he thinks he knows what the issue is.
He thinks he's got a solution for it. Let's take
a listen.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
Well, I grew up with the best of the National
Football in sixty seventies into the eighties. You're talking about
deep shots, right, the God route, the nine route posts.
You're going about Terry Bradshaw in a Super Bowl hitting
John Stalworth.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
You see Leroy Irvin.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Diving right just off his Fingertaire's the receiver that laid
it out there right, hit the receiver in stride, sixty
five yard touchdown. It's a beautiful thing to watch. That's
what I want to see brought back to the National
Football League. Okay, check down kings, bubble screen sensations, boring
football game manager, I get it, But I want to
see those deep shots. That's what the NFL was built on.
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I grew up with Johnya night Is, Fran Tarkington, Ken Stabler,
Darryl Lemonica. You know you're talking about quarterbacks, show name
that it would just right Brett Fard when he was
doing what he did, Burt Jones with the Baltimore Coles.
You think about those quarterbacks who would throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Down the field.
Speaker 8 (15:14):
I say, what Bradshaw did with Stalworths and Swan Roger Stallback,
that's what I want to see brought back. Say, well,
you can't do that, right. We got five yard rule
with the quarterbacks, right, the melt blunt rule right now
with the push thing with hurts, you gotta be a
yard back now. So they'll tell me you can't have
those safeties closer to the line of scrimmage than they are.
I was in games where I'm thinking, hey, too high.
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They're out now in space too. I could even find
us that they're playing with nine guys right, one are
the other two on another two they're so dag gone
forward back and even though they're part of dan play,
I'm telling you, we gotta change this thing, and we
gotta have Hey, you can warn them, and I afraid they
come up.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Hey, guys, you got to get up a little bit right.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
You're too far back war no safeties, but you gotta
figure out competition. Him being somebody Dano. Somebody's got to
figure out what that depth is. But it's two for
and back right now. The NFL is being a ruined
bodies too high safety all right.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So that's the dumbest thing I've heard.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I want to do it.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And here's the thing is, mel Kuiper was getting pushed
back from Lewis Riddick, from Todd McShay, from other people
who work for you know, ESPN as well. And I
don't know mel Kuiper. I can't speak to the conversation
of how this came about to make TV. I mean,
clearly you're searching and really trying to stretch what is
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the truth right now? What's happening in the NFL. The
NFL has adapted and many defenses are running what's called
a shell coverage now, and the shell coverage has become
one of the predominant looks that defenses give because it's
hard for offenses to discern what coverage it's going to be,
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and it's more of a split safety coverage, right, And
that's what he's speaking to, where they can kind of
play a little with more depth, more flat footed, and
they can do a variety of things with how they
manipulate the shell coverage to play varieties of cover two,
cover four, quarter, quarter a half, and things that make
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it difficult for many teams that want to throw the
football to throw the football. I mean, any split safety
look where you have a too high safety look is
created to prevent the pass and you have less numbers
down around the line of scrimmage, so inherently you should
be able to run the football. And so there's a
few things that are happening right now. A lot of
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defense are running the shell coverage. The shell coverage is
effective because it confuses. It makes it harder for quarterbacks
to discern what the coverage is for wide receivers as well,
when they have route adjustments within the actual play call.
And then what that does is if it slows down
the timing and the process of the actual pass play concept,
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and it makes it easy year for the defensive linemen
who are already better athletes. The defense is always better
athletes in that side of the ball, so they're gonna
be able to get after that ass on the offensive line,
which offensive line play is as bad as it's ever been.
So let's break down a little further. Why is that. Well,
from the youngest ages, we've now stopped hitting as much,
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which when you play offensive line, it's a physical sport.
You have to learn how to use your hands, use
your body. You have to bang, and they're not practicing
that as much, not in high school, not in college,
not in the NFL. So you get less developed offensive
line coming up through the ranks. Also, you get offensive
linemen who are not even taught how to drive block
out of block in the running game. So not only
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is the running game less effective going up against the
shell coverage because these guys don't really do it anymore.
They're at a two point stance they used to sitting
back and shotgun throwing the all time or against some
sort of spread offense. It's either that or the fact
that again the better athletes on the defensive side of
the ball, and that's only continued to get better and
better better, so that gas of difference in athleticism has widened,
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hasn't shrunk. So you've got the technical skills not necessary
on the offensive side, and then you've got the athletic
skills not necessary to go along with that, which makes
the shell coverage even more effective. So you want shots downfield,
you got it takes time. Well, bring in more guys
in protection. Great, Now I've got a seven man protection
and i've got a minimum of six, you know, at
least six or five guys in coverage for three eligible
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receivers that are out in the routes, so it's gonna
be hard for them to get open. So there's all
these these reasons as to why the NFL is struggling
to create big play, struggling to have this passing game.
But credit the defenses, like we've now lived in an
era of football where it's been dominated by some of
the all time greats, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. You know
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before that we talk about far Drew Brees, all these quarterbacks,
and Rogers is still there holding it down. But there's
also elements of the defense has adjusted like they do.
We see the running backs are less valued now. And meanwhile,
we were now in an era of football where because
of the style of defense that the defenses are playing,
they're probably gonna be valued more and more because they
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should be able to have a greater impact on the game.
But in regards to like quarterback play and why quarterback
play has been so poor, this comes down to me
to like three things. The first is like young quarterbacks
aren't being taught football. They're not being taught fronts, they're
not being taught coverages. They're not being taught you know,
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bullets and pressures and how the fronts and coverages tie
in with one another. Like LeVar if I said to you, hey,
on this particular play, all right, you know you've got
this front, it's usually gonna tie in with a certain coverage.
Is that not pretty accurate with how you look at it? Yes,
So the reality is young quarterbacks aren't taught anymore. Hey,
when you get this front, you're probably gonna get this
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defense with this personnel, this formation. They're not taught the
game of football. And so if I don't know between
the front coverage and all the tendencies that are go
beyond that, I don't know the weaknesses of that coverage,
of that particular defense, or of that blitz. And that's
part of the issue. Like I remember calling games hearing
coaches talking about, well, hey, how do you read this,
or how do you teach them the oh, just look
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for space. I'm like, what look for space? Or they're
literally looking over to the sideline and the coach is
basically telling them who to throw to. You know, if
they do this, just throw to that guy. If they
do this, store to that guy. And that's it. Like
the one, there's not even like a progression and they
sit back and shotgun and catch the ball they're looking
to throw. And that's what's happened. The entire quarterback position
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has been watered down. We used to have QB school
where you would go before everyone else and you wouldn't throw.
You would sit there and watch tape and go over
the concepts and go over the reads and go over
exactly what you're supposed to do. Then you go out
in the field and you drop back until you felt
like you're gonna pull your groin to get a sense
of timing and footwork within that play. So that kind
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of ties in the second thing, which is shotgun. To me,
shot the shotgun has killed a bit of how quarterbacks
play the game, meaning there's not as much of a
sense of timing and rhythm that's tied in with their footwork.
And even when I watched you know, young people who
play the position and they understand, you know, and timing
and rhythm. Usually they have a good sense and feel
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for it because their feet. But when you when you
play under center, you have to be able to have
a sense of timing and rhythm with my three five
seven step or if it's a play action, or if
it's a boot or a sprint out, whatever it is,
everything's coordinated. Like I know, on on my first read,
if I'm throwing that ball, I hit my fifth step
and I'm either choosing to throw it or not. And
if I'm not, I'm gonna hitch to the next one.
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Then I'm gonna hitch to the next one, and then
I probably have to take off or dump down like
that is how the game used to be played, and
not enough of that as being taught at lower levels
and even in college then leading up to the NFL level.
So there's a big learning curve there of the sense
of timing and rhythm because these throws are made before
guys are where they need to be, and you have
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to have confidence in faith in your footwork and the
timing for that concept or play and when to let
that ball go while there's a rushing everything else, because
if you hold on to it and wait, it's too long.
And then last thing I'd say is there's an element
of the Patrick Mahomes Steph Curry effect where too many
kids now are trying to make like big splash throws,
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big splash plays instead of like doing the ordinary extraordinarily well,
like I think more people nowadays want to be Patrick Mahomes,
and there's nothing wrong with that. Like Patrick Mahomes is the
greatest right now, he might be the end up being
the greatest of all time, but he also has a
unique skill set like Steph Curry right that you're not
all gonna be able to obtain. You're not gonna be
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able to shoot threes and from the logo or from
whatever where else like Steph Curry as high of a clip,
and you're not gonna be able to do what Patrick
Mahomes can do, all right, because not many people have
the arm, twent or ability to do that. And so
you'd rather be more like Tom Brady where you can
understand where to put the book football on third down
or Peyton Manning how to control the line of scrimmage,
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because those are things you can control as far as
your your fundamentals, your mental approach, and how you go
about playing the game. And so there's elements of that too.
But to me, like that is the summarization of why
we are where we are with offenses struggling right now
and what you're seeing from quarterback play in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Sotal in commentary. Bro, Yeah, I'm so thoroughly impressed with you, Brady,
Like I'm proud of you, man.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
I've raised you the right way.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Man, Bro, do you know how long I've been sitting
on this though, Like it has bothered me for years
because I've called games and I'll never forget and I'm
not going to say who the quarterback was, because he's
he's gone through some stuff off the field. But I
remember going down and talking with them and I said
to him, like, hey, what are you thinking on this
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third down concept? Like we're watching tape and he said
to me, I didn't even know it was third down.
We were moving so fast. And I looked at him
and I said, well, so like the pass play concept
didn't like make you think like, oh, this is third down?
Or I said, you're not looking at the sticks. He's like, no,
we're trying to play with so much time, but to
put pressure on defenses. And I thought to myself, my god,
(25:09):
this young man's gonna have a shot to go to
the NFL. And he did, and I thought he's gonna
be so woefully prepared of trying to play at that
level that he almost doesn't have a shot. This is
almost a disservice to him because he's in college and
he's learning. You know, he's got all these classes he's taking,
but he's not learning football. He's just learning how to
run plays really fast. And I'm like, he's either gonna
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get hurt playing at the NFL level or he's gonna
find out very quick. The mental adjustment is so big
and no one's gonna give him time to do it.
And and honestly, between you know, other stuff, he kind
of flamed out anyway. But he had he had a talent,
he had the ability, he had the arm, he had
all the all the things you're looking for. He had it.
But it was just the mental aspect of it that
he was never taught. And that's what kills me now
(25:54):
and seeing this and people are like, oh, you know
what's happened with the court. This has been going on
for a while now. Like Tom, he talks about it,
and then so when Tom says that, people listen. But
I've tried to see this to Jonas for like, like
when I watch tape, I'm just like, my god, like,
right now, I'll tell you this much. Dylan Ryola the
quarterback in Nebraska and they played a night at eight PM.
I would take that kid right now, that kid right
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now in next year's draft, number one, number one overall.
When I watch that young man, he plays with a
sense of timing, footwork with and all that. And the
funny thing is they compare him to Patrick Mahomes, And
there's some there's some similarities because of his arm talent.
But you look at how he anticipates, you look at
how he reads a progression, how he works the pocket.
That kid right now as a freshman, has it all.
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He has it all. And I don't know how good
they'll be in Nebraska. I don't know how big this
thing's gonna get, but he will give them a shot
because he's that talented. And it's not the takeaway from
Shador Sanders or Carson Beck or cam Ward by the way,
who I flip and love. I'm just saying this kid,
that young right now at Nebraska, who doesn't have, you know,
the type of skilled players around him, like all those
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other quarterbacks I just mentioned you. It's it's fun to
watch his tape because of how he plays the game
because his dad played in the NFL. His dad was alignment. Great,
so I'm in done stuff. So I was way too
long of a Dietra.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Great.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's great, And you've brought it up a bunch of
times before, and it's like when you see people complain
about it, and you know, mel Kiper's throwing out these
different ideas, get rid of, you know, the two safeties,
and it's not it well, it's not. It like I
just remember back in the day, it was like, all right,
if you want to make people respect and get their respect,
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run the ball, establish the run, and that way it'll
open up the pass. It just seemed simple back in
the day. That's what it was like. If you want
to if you want play action to work, if you
want to have something down the field, establish something in
the trenches, so you make those safeties have to come
up and have to play the run and that way
to open things up. And it's like now there's just
no emphasis on that. There's just are you coaching that?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Are you coach? So let me ask you this, and
you've I'm sure you've been on the offensive side of
the balls. You've seen this. Like if I was to
ask you what's harder, what's harder to install and execute
a running play or a pass play?
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Uh, it's well, it's that depends. It is certainly from
the progression and getting everybody on the same page is
probably the past.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Okay, So I would say from the offensive perspective, it's
a run play you need more people to execute properly
in order to be able to get it right. Yea,
And a pass play outside of having a little bit
of protection, as long as one guy runs this route right,
you can throw a completion. All the four ELGEB receivers
could mess up and it wouldn't matter, like only that
one guy and that quarterback have to be able to
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do it right. And that's one of the reasons why
offense has gotten so far from like hammering down on
all these different run concepts and teaching it because it
takes time and it's boring, Like, no one what's watching
the handoff and run inside zone, outside zone, different power
you know, power counter schemes and traps and different man.
I mean, no one wants to watch that and practice
it because it's that.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Is that is complex. But my only pushback on that
would be in a pass play, you have to know
who you're blocking, like you get and you have to
make sure Jean come on.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Like that's not complicated, Like it's like past pro for
forever in the NFL, like some many West Coast teams
have been like two jet three jets, right, and so.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
It only takes one person to come for if you
don't if you don't, yes, execution detection, yes, but here's.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
The only thing I'll say is as long as I
get the football off before he gets there, doesn't matter,
I promise you. When I hand off, if the if
the front side guard tackle misses their block, that breaking
plays pretty much over.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Conceptually, what you're saying is correct in real time with
players Like I coached high school kids, so I don't
know what it's like at the college level or at
the pro level, but in the high school level, that's complicated.
It's actually, I'll say, I'll offer this, it's actually complicated
to get guys to count from the boundary one two three,
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not like think about that. It's hard to get them
to apply just being able through what it is that
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
To say, by the way, that concept you're saying about
pass protection, it's the same thing for run blocking. Yeah,
it's gonna be hard for them to identify who it is,
especially shift all that.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Yes, yes, uh yeah, but it's a it's it's time
consuming on on all fronts. I guess is the point,
and and it is a lot of repetition. And when
you get into the game and lines start moving around,
or linebacker walks up or safety walks up, different things
like that, you got to know who you're blocking. Because
it just takes one person on the defensive side reading
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it correctly for the play to get totally jacked up.
So yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Who would you guys say right now should be not
who's going to be, but should be Rookie of the
Year in the NFL right now?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Joel and I don't. I mean for August played really
well too for the Saints, but I would say, Joe
All's been. By the way, I I have to admit
this publicly too, because Pete Prisco comes all this on Tuesdays.
I know it's not Tuesday. But Rick Spielman, the former
general manager for the Minnesota Vikings, Uh, we would go
over a lot of different draft prospects and comps and
and I hate comps. He hates comps. But he walked
(31:22):
in studio one time and he said, both to Pete
and I, Joe Alt, my conference is Jonathan Ogden. And
I was like, okay, like I remember Ogden, like LaVar,
you remember Augden.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I'm going to touch that one. Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So so here's the thing is I said the exact
same thing to Rick. I said, I'm not going to
go there. That's like super super such high praise. That's
gonna be hard for any player to live up to that.
And I will say through two games in the NFL,
that is quite possibly the next Jonathan Ogden. I mean,
and it's look, I realized he's a right tackle and
(31:57):
it's it's a lot of high praise, but he's the
both six foot nine, Ogna was a little thicker, but
all probably by the time he's all said done, who's
around three twenty five, will probably be on three thirty
three thirty five. Like, there's a lot of similarities there. Man,
I'm just saying, like he was dead on I you know,
was skeptical, but and I've watched a lot of tape
(32:18):
on all. It's just it was hard to see it
until you got the NFL. NFL level. Now you're like,
oh yeah, you pretty much shut down Max Crosby.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Like first game as an NFL player gets Max Crosby
and was outstanding, like and and he just won't even
be in consideration for the award, like not even and
he probably we're looking at a guy you don't.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Think if the Charges like win the AFC West and
they're running the crap out of the ball, you don't
think so.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
No, I don't think I don't think it a lineman.
Did uh? Why am I blanket on his name from?
Did Quentin Nelson? Did he get any consideration for Rookie
of the Year.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
He probably it's probably even harder because he's a guard.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
But it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I mean, yeah, it's bringing back the old line, baby,
rumming back the old way. Bell, kayper, what's wrong on defense?
You know, getting a little bit of love? All right?
Maybe the defense.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's the weird thing, var is no one gives defense credit.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
There's some explanation connected to that too, but I know
we're up on it, you know what I mean. But yeah,
I mean your explanation from from the offensive perspective of
it and how at the viewpoint vantage point of it
from the defensive side. There's there's I mean, just super quick.
I know we got break, but just super quick. You
look at seven on seven culture athletes that we're playing
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defensive end playing linebacker are now playing cornerback and playing
playing safety positions. And they're playing it from youth on up.
So it's changed like the evolution of it like I
saw it with Sean Taylor. You know, the guys that
could play linebacker are playing safety. Guys that could play
safety are playing playing corner. So it's like the evolution
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of athletes and where they're playing, Like everybody used to
want to play running back, Well, now they're moving to
different positions.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Can you give you an example of that. You know
Greg grwiss so, the defensive end for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Absolutely, he played safety and wide receiver in high school
and then converted to a defensive end when he went
to the University of Miami and now he's one of
the better edge rushers after being a first round pick
to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
And it's because they have a different type of wiggle
than what a traditional defensive lineman would have. They have
a different type of movement than what a traditional linebacker
would have. So now you have guys that can play
with that type of movement and they're closer to the
ball or they're off, but they're all there like you're not.
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You're almost playing in a nickel and dime and penny
set every single time you're out there on the field,
and that didn't used to be what it was. So
it's like an evolution as well in terms of what
is important to the defenses and where you're playing, you know,
and that makes a major It makes a major difference,
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a major difference.
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Speaker 3 (35:15):
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Speaker 2 (35:20):
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Speaker 9 (35:24):
Lap Good Friday Morning, Everybuddy, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning, Brady,
Good morning, LeVar, Morny, Brian, good morning, Lorena. Guys, it
is especially awesome Friday morning.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I am stoked.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Do you guys know why? Do you know whyday is
an especially awesome day?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Hey, Brady, here's You're going to Disneyland.
Speaker 10 (35:44):
I am going to Disneyland. I got this Disney hat
that Lorena brought for me. I'm rocking it. It goes
well with my with my packer's shirt.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
That I'm wearing. Because it is a cheese hat. It
looks like a block of cheese.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I mean, rats eat cheese.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Gratitude each.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
It's gonna bite out of them.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Everything I.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Cleaned up about three of them out of my garage
before I left for Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, you go, tom Cat. Then the black Cat trap.
Those things are undefeated. Oh my god, you got a rat,
get a tom Cat trap? Throw that? Uh you know
it happened. I don't know, little eating good.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Let's just say I understood why mister Stix was like, hey,
why y'all put me up in this this cage? Man,
these these these people are making fun of me. They're
they're having fun at my expense, you know.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
You put a little peanut butter in the in the cup,
throw it out there, and within forty eight hours that
rattle look like that guy in the back seat on
Pull Fiction. It's crazy destroyed.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Sorry Peter, but they did look like like a piece
of lint.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
From from the from the dryer. You know. Hey, So
there you go. There's there. There's how That's how I
feel about your cheese.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Up top bar up top, tom Cat twins.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Come on yeah yeah, tom Cat baby.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
Okay, go ahead, Well you missed plenty of reasons to
be happy today. I got a little bit of a
song for you. Here you go. Good morning everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Oh yeah, Yeah, that's rights.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
The anniversary. Yeah, three year anniversary.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Three years, it's been three years.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I feel like I feel like the uh, the husband
in the relationship that forgets the anniversary. I mean, I
mean about you that you remembered.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, I'm the wife. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I don't know that.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
But funny, I'm playing, Uh, I'm playing the Flintstones where
Fred remember?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And what's your face? Forgot?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Wilma, Wilma forgot? Well listen the happy anniversary, guys. Been
a fun ride.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Alright, congrats guys. Yeah, it's been good. It's been good.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Three years of people hating on us, but three years
of doing some of some dope right now.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Why are you gonna say it like that?
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Var?
Speaker 6 (38:17):
I mean, because if you ain't got haters, you ain't winning,
You ain't popping it actually is true. But if you
ain't doing what you doing, people ain't hating. They ain't
paying attention. They pay attention to things that they want
to hate on because well they wish they could do it.
So to all y'all haters out there, screw you getting
and to all the people that support us, thank you
(38:38):
for the three years.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Get that work for three years, get that work.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
They hate us because they ate us.
Speaker 10 (38:46):
And if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. From the
Oklahoma State Fair, a man is being accused of using
human extrement from a porta potty to stink out his
opponent during what is called the Stinking Centric contest where
you stick inside, where you stay inside of CenTra as long.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
As you can.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Miss what you just happened. What happened.
Speaker 10 (39:09):
So there's this contest at the Oklahoma State Fair called
the Stinking Center contest. Basically, you stick inside the in
the car as long as you can. Last person to
stay wins the car. So day four you're giving you're
giving potty breaks. Guy gets a cup of stuff from
the porta potty, brings it in with it stinks out
his opponent.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
To win the CenTra at Yeah, so he's been accused
of cheating.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
I think this is going to the courts something like
that for me, courts, and I would have just won,
you know, legally, fair and square, just by crop dusting
them out of there. I mean, you're gonna get some
good ammunition from the Oklahoma State Fair.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Well, how bad do you want it? You know, like, oh, no,
I mean, what's I mean, what's the problem? Like he
wanted he wanted the car more than the other guy did.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Sorry, I mean, what is the problem. Did they say
in the rule book you can go to a porter
potty and do that?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (40:02):
There is there are, Yes, there are rules about bringing
in props, props that you could you could take off
your shirt, you could do You can bring in food,
but you can't bring in that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
I mean, isn't that the waste product of a food?
Speaker 5 (40:21):
I mean, I would argue that it's food.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
So it turned into food. So that's what.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I don't know if this is in or out. I
think we did away with that segment, but but I'm
out of the segment right now until we moves on
something else.
Speaker 10 (40:39):
Well, guys, uh, we've something. Sometimes you got to admit
your wrongs. A Chinese zo has finally admitted that their
pandas aren't in fact pandas. I saw this there. Their
pantas are in fact of dogs painted like pandas.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Have you guys seen this? So obvious?
Speaker 10 (41:00):
Pretty cute though they haven't admitted it for years, They've
stuck stuck to their guns.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
But h they're pretty cute years and they've denied it.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Anyone who looks at the photos, just look at the photos.
You're like, that's a dog painted it.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
It's dog.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Oh my god. People actually thought these were real pandas.
I don't think they were full of many people.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
No, but like the zoo denied it for that long.
It's like why not just go yeah, we can't get
any pandas? Like why would you deny it? For years?
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Visitors were demanding.
Speaker 10 (41:33):
Their money back because of the dogs and they so
that's why they were like.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
No, I mean you know what.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Do they have to give money back? Are they being sued?
Speaker 6 (41:47):
Are they like false advertising? I mean I guess you're saying,
come like yes to pandace.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
It's so blatantly obvious and so crazy that they're cute
portray this for years now.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Did they spray paint their hair to get them to
look like that design?
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, that work. They're pay Good for them, man, good
for them. Guys. Paint some guys painting a curve? Like,
can I borrow that for a minute.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
I mean, it is convenient, hey, baby, it is convenient.
We got these quote unquote phantom tech issues from the
Jets and Rogers hater himself after Aaron Rodgers was dealing
last night for the New York Jets. He looks good, man,
he looks great.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Although the I mean, here's the takeaway from the game.
As great as he looked. We kind of expected it.
We talked about it yesterday. This was the largest uh.
I guess betting odds for the Jets is a favorite
versus the Patriots since two thousand. It had been twenty
four years. And that's how long it's been since since
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the Jets could be considered a touchdown favorite. And they
took care of business. They were dominant. Rogers was masterful
at times. I mean, one of the things that I
took away just from watching him was it's how accurate
he is with every single pass, even the short passes,
like putting guys in a position to catch and run though,
and how that makes such a big difference for yards
(01:19):
after the catch. Just to make the little player do
a bigger play, and guys, especially at the pro level,
truly appreciate that. But what everyone's going to talk about
is the Aaron Rodgers Robert Salah embrace or lack thereof.
And what the hell was Rogers saying to Roberts?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean, what's the problem? Listen? You know that just
in the heat of battle. I got no issue with
it whatsoever. It didn't seem awkward at all to me.
I don't know what you're trying to get at here,
trying to stir the pod. It's clearly all right, Well,
let's just hear Rogers. Did we have Rogers talking about
the awkward exchange with Robert Sala This was his answers
(02:00):
to what the hell that was last night.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
He's not a big hugger usually, so I don't know
he was going for the hug. He likes to do
the two hand chest push as well, but he talks
a lot about two score leads. So I just kind
of game a push and said two score lead, that's
what happens.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Now, Robert Salad did corroborate that story and that afterwards
that that's what happened. Look, I don't know what, do
you have.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Another option at this point? No, because the worst thing
happened last night, So Robert Sala that could happen is
you just realized that your entire team plays so much
like think about how much better the defense was, again
a byproduct of the Patriots offensive line struggling. There's some
mismatches up front. They really have no firepower outside of
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Taekwon Thornton and I guess drawing a p I like
he's got some speed. Douglas has some speed, but there
was no threat. So their defense played on edge the
entire time and was able to get after Jacoby Brissette
for like seven sacks. So I'm not sure this was
the game to showcase it. But the point is everyone
plays for Rogers when they see him dealing like this,
(03:14):
when they see him playing up to his capabilities. He's
got complete control over that organization, even more so probably
than Robert Sala. And that's gonna be an unsettling thing
at this point because it's like, what's he gonna say?
You know, Ultimately, Aaron Rodgers is the leader of this team.
His word, his say, and whether people like that or
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not on the outside is the only thing that matters
to those guys in the locker room. And I can
assure you of that three games.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Into the season.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So he's basically got Robert Sala's fate and his balls
in the palm of his hand.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Like yes, I'm not sure if you could see that,
but in his left hand is Robert Sala's balls.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, and then he's got his fate. That makes sense.
I mean, now that cleared it up for me. Now
I understand what's happening here, and it does feel like
spite whatever, you know, they're trying to create this harmonious
relationship between the two publicly, there is something there like
there's there's an awkwardness there, and I don't know if
it goes back to Robert Slam making it a point
(04:14):
to let everybody know it was an unexcused absence this offseason.
There was some reporting afterwards it might have been Diana Rassini,
but who the hell knows who came out and said, well,
you know it was you know that that kind of
irked Rogers. He didn't understand why it was presented that way.
So there is sort of this little tension that does
appear to be there between.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Those two Honestly, the vibe I get is that he's like, Gosh,
these guys are idiots.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
There's times I agree, yes.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Like I think it was one of the players there.
I don't know if it was a jet sweep or
what exact play it was, but I remember Rogers looked
over the sideline and you could tell that was a
Nathaniel Hackett call, and he just like shook his head
and kind of just looked over like you idiot, Like
why were you calling that? It was? It was one
of the funniest looks because I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Yeah,
I know how that feels.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Like.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I remember being in a position where you would have
a play call come in and you know this is
going to work. You know, call it, run it, you know,
call run it, and you're just going, okay, and then
you end up running it and you just look over
there and you're like, yeah, I knew that wasn't going
to work you a whole But that's that's usually. That's
usually how the Dynamics worked with quarterbacks and a play caller.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Now, Rogers did talk about this was his first game
back since the injury from a playing standpoint, and not
carrying the flag out like last time, and just sort
of how he felt in response to what happened the
last time he did suit up for the Jets on
that field at that game to open up last year.
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I was hoping I wouldn't have to make a decision
about whether to carry a flag or not, because I
was probably going to be the only guy that wouldn't.
I'm fustitious and maybe not superstitious, but I think I
would have passed on that. But you know, I felt
a really good calm about it. Honestly, I didn't think
a whole lot about it. Obviously it was emotional to
come back home for the first time since then, but
(06:05):
I really think the first week kind of took a
lot of the fears and anxiety of plan out, and
tonight I felt like I played pretty free.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know what's cool about the whole thing is he's
one of the all time greats, and I think sometimes
we get so caught up in the weeds. And I
don't mean we because I try and have a pretty
good perspective about this to where he appreciate, you know
what you got while it's here, because you're not going
to see quarterback play to this level that often for
maybe ever, and so if he's one of the all
(06:34):
time greats, it's kind of cool to see. As the
game went on and as we get from week one
to week two, this is on a short week back
at home, him sort of realizing, oh, I still got this,
Like it's still there, Like I'm still a great player,
like throwing on the run, some of the you know,
some of the plays he made, the throw to Garrett Wilson,
(06:56):
like just you see that sort of part of it
to where he's getting you We're only three weeks in.
I would imagine he's just going to get better and
better throughout the course of the year.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
If he's healthy, I was to say, and that last
point you just made is the most important. He's got
to stay healthy. One of the first things I thought
watching him last night we were was moving. I was like,
you know, he doesn't move as well as he once did,
but that's to be expected. He's forty years old and
he's coming off in achilles injuries. So part of me thinks, like, well,
that will get better as the season goes, But part
(07:24):
of me thinks, well, it kind of depends because you've
always got a few nagging injuries. I mean, that's the
reality of playing in the NFL, and you're going to
take shots that are necessary. Josh Uchay, you know, got
him with one last night that you know, got penalized
and got flagged. But that's just life in the NFL.
And you've got fourteen more games to go. So I hope,
(07:46):
I hope that's the case where he stays healthy because
the NFL needs this right like after the quarterback we
play we've seen in the first couple of weeks, Yes,
we need this. This is that old veteran who's like
was taught the right way, plays the game the right way,
sees the feel the right way, and hopefully we'll have
an opportunity to get into it. I don't know if
it's next segment soon, but at least my interpretation of
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why quarterback play right now is struggling so bad. I
think there's about four things you can point to that
have accumulated to this. But I also think they're pretty
dead on as to where.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We're at now as far as the Jets go moving forward.
So we've got next week on some extra rest, they're
going to be hosting the Broncos. I'm sure there's still
some let's do it for Nat Hackett in that building, correct,
like like let's let's show like, let's show Sean, I
don't think they care. You don't you think it's over?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Not at all?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
That ship is sailed like that's like they're not.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I don't think they care that much. Yeah, I think
it's I think it's over. I mean Russell, you know everyone.
It's just it's more like a Russell revenge tour.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I mean, so now we've got that lined up, they
could be three and one, should be three and one.
Then you've got that London game against the Vikings. Who
knows how that plays out. Like there's a real change
coming up on Monday night in week six against the
Bills that we're talking about to establish dominance in the
AFC East six weeks in and our jets that we've
(09:10):
been pounding the table for for all these months are
letting everybody know, putting everybody on blast, we're forced to
be reckoned with and our quarterbacks getting healthier every week.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well, I think you and I looked through their schedule, right,
We did our homework, we did the research, we looked
through the schedule and said they were going to get
off to a hot star. It's the back half of
the season that's more concerning a for the health of
this roster their team. I mean, Morgan Moses went down
the last night of right tackle. They're fortunate to have
a first round pick and oulu Fashanu who can come
(09:40):
in as that swing tackle. It doesn't matter if it's
a right or left tackle. He was their top ten pick.
He's the guy that's capable of being that guy to
play their left or right probably at a pretty high level.
So hopefully I haven't seen the injury report yet for
Morgan Moses, but hopefully he's able to come back, because
that's the one thing that just can scerns me about
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the Jets. It's not a very deep roster. After their
starting unit. They can roll some guys through off the
edge and up front, you know, but they already lost
Jermaine Johnson.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
That was a hit.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Will McDonald the draft pick from a couple of years ago.
He showed out so far this year. That's great, but
you lose him, Oh it's slim pickens behind that. Maybe
you actually go back to the negotiation table with Hassan Reddick,
But I think I think you get the point. They've
got to stay healthy, like this roster more so than others.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
When you look throughout you know the.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Different AFC teams who can weather the storm a little bit.
Like I've kind of talked about that in the past
with Philly, even with Sam Fran and we look at atf
C Mac. They don't have a Deebo Sammy right now.
They might not have Kittle this week, but they've got
enough depth there other position players, star players. They can
get by with that, you know, for a few weeks.
So that that's my only concern is as they hit
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it into the second half the season, are they healthy
and then where they at at that point? You know,
with Rogers, this offense, the team, the way they're playing,
because that's the much more difficult part of the schedule.
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Speaker 6 (12:19):
Hey, fellas, could I throw something out at y'all, like
just I just stumbled upon it, Like I'm just hanging
out on social media a little bit.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I know we did.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I don't want to get off script, but I mean,
do y'all see this stuff, like like the circulating around
Bryce Young Losses starting job as a quarterback and as
a boyfriend, Like, did.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Y'all see this? Are y'all up on this? You know
what happened?
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Apparently apparently his former girlfriend. I guess ex girlfriend is
now Dayton Tyrese Maxi. It was like seen on the
Jumbo tron, but just not too long ago, was seen
you know at training camp with with Bryce. You know,
kind of just surfaced that, you know, they was at
(13:04):
the Philadelphia Eagles game and they put Tyrese Maxey on
the on the Jumbo tron, and it happened to be
a young lady that looked familiar to people, and so
people started like kind of digging into it and they
figured out that it was Bryce youngs I believe, actually
I hope it's his ex girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, you know, it's been a rough rough stretch.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
That's a rough goal, man. Yeah, yeah, that's a rough goal.
May you never want to lose that way. You know,
he's a good guy. He'll be all right. It is
a good guy man.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know, you hate hate when that happens.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
You know, I gotta hate it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Man, Summer rentals and some you buy. He just had
a rental. It's all good. He'll be fine, He'll land
on his feet. It is okay, it is.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
That's great advice, Jonas saying, love doctor.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know sometimes you buy somethings. Now, now that being said,
there has been an issue not just not just Bryce Young,
but there's been an issue with offenses, and there's been
an issue with the passing game in the NFL for
the first couple of weeks, and people are trying to
figure out what the problem is. And mel kiper Junior
(14:19):
of ESPN, he thinks he knows what the issue is.
He thinks he's got a solution for it. Let's take
a listen.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
Well, I grew up with the best of the National
Football in sixty seventies into the eighties. You're talking about
deep shots, right, the God route, the nine route posts.
You're going about Terry Bradshaw in a Super Bowl hitting
John Stalworth.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
You see Leroy Irvin.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Diving right just off his Fingertaire's the receiver that laid
it out there right, hit the receiver in stride, sixty
five yard touchdown. It's a beautiful thing to watch. That's
what I want to see brought back to the National
Football League. Okay, check down kings, bubble screen sensations, boring
football game manager, I get it, But I want to
see those deep shots. That's what the NFL was built on.
(15:00):
I grew up with Johnya night Is, Fran Tarkington, Ken Stabler,
Darryl Lemonica. You know you're talking about quarterbacks, show name
that it would just right Brett Fard when he was
doing what he did, Burt Jones with the Baltimore Coles.
You think about those quarterbacks who would throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Down the field.
Speaker 8 (15:14):
I say, what Bradshaw did with Stalworths and Swan Roger Stallback,
that's what I want to see brought back. Say, well,
you can't do that, right. We got five yard rule
with the quarterbacks, right, the melt blunt rule right now
with the push thing with hurts, you gotta be a
yard back now. So they'll tell me you can't have
those safeties closer to the line of scrimmage than they are.
I was in games where I'm thinking, hey, too high.
(15:36):
They're out now in space too. I could even find
us that they're playing with nine guys right, one are
the other two on another two they're so dag gone
forward back and even though they're part of dan play,
I'm telling you, we gotta change this thing, and we
gotta have Hey, you can warn them, and I afraid they
come up.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Hey, guys, you got to get up a little bit right.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
You're too far back war no safeties, but you gotta
figure out competition. Him being somebody Dano. Somebody's got to
figure out what that depth is. But it's two for
and back right now. The NFL is being a ruined
bodies too high safety all right.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So that's the dumbest thing I've heard.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I want to do it.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And here's the thing is, mel Kuiper was getting pushed
back from Lewis Riddick, from Todd McShay, from other people
who work for you know, ESPN as well. And I
don't know mel Kuiper. I can't speak to the conversation
of how this came about to make TV. I mean,
clearly you're searching and really trying to stretch what is
(16:33):
the truth right now? What's happening in the NFL. The
NFL has adapted and many defenses are running what's called
a shell coverage now, and the shell coverage has become
one of the predominant looks that defenses give because it's
hard for offenses to discern what coverage it's going to be,
(16:54):
and it's more of a split safety coverage, right, And
that's what he's speaking to, where they can kind of
play a little with more depth, more flat footed, and
they can do a variety of things with how they
manipulate the shell coverage to play varieties of cover two,
cover four, quarter, quarter a half, and things that make
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it difficult for many teams that want to throw the
football to throw the football. I mean, any split safety
look where you have a too high safety look is
created to prevent the pass and you have less numbers
down around the line of scrimmage, so inherently you should
be able to run the football. And so there's a
few things that are happening right now. A lot of
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defense are running the shell coverage. The shell coverage is
effective because it confuses. It makes it harder for quarterbacks
to discern what the coverage is for wide receivers as well,
when they have route adjustments within the actual play call.
And then what that does is if it slows down
the timing and the process of the actual pass play concept,
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and it makes it easy year for the defensive linemen
who are already better athletes. The defense is always better
athletes in that side of the ball, so they're gonna
be able to get after that ass on the offensive line,
which offensive line play is as bad as it's ever been.
So let's break down a little further. Why is that. Well,
from the youngest ages, we've now stopped hitting as much,
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which when you play offensive line, it's a physical sport.
You have to learn how to use your hands, use
your body. You have to bang, and they're not practicing
that as much, not in high school, not in college,
not in the NFL. So you get less developed offensive
line coming up through the ranks. Also, you get offensive
linemen who are not even taught how to drive block
out of block in the running game. So not only
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is the running game less effective going up against the
shell coverage because these guys don't really do it anymore.
They're at a two point stance they used to sitting
back and shotgun throwing the all time or against some
sort of spread offense. It's either that or the fact
that again the better athletes on the defensive side of
the ball, and that's only continued to get better and
better better, so that gas of difference in athleticism has widened,
(19:03):
hasn't shrunk. So you've got the technical skills not necessary
on the offensive side, and then you've got the athletic
skills not necessary to go along with that, which makes
the shell coverage even more effective. So you want shots downfield,
you got it takes time. Well, bring in more guys
in protection. Great, Now I've got a seven man protection
and i've got a minimum of six, you know, at
least six or five guys in coverage for three eligible
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receivers that are out in the routes, so it's gonna
be hard for them to get open. So there's all
these these reasons as to why the NFL is struggling
to create big play, struggling to have this passing game.
But credit the defenses, like we've now lived in an
era of football where it's been dominated by some of
the all time greats, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. You know
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before that we talk about far Drew Brees, all these quarterbacks,
and Rogers is still there holding it down. But there's
also elements of the defense has adjusted like they do.
We see the running backs are less valued now. And meanwhile,
we were now in an era of football where because
of the style of defense that the defenses are playing,
they're probably gonna be valued more and more because they
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should be able to have a greater impact on the game.
But in regards to like quarterback play and why quarterback
play has been so poor, this comes down to me
to like three things. The first is like young quarterbacks
aren't being taught football. They're not being taught fronts, they're
not being taught coverages. They're not being taught you know,
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bullets and pressures and how the fronts and coverages tie
in with one another. Like LeVar if I said to you, hey,
on this particular play, all right, you know you've got
this front, it's usually gonna tie in with a certain coverage.
Is that not pretty accurate with how you look at it? Yes,
So the reality is young quarterbacks aren't taught anymore. Hey,
when you get this front, you're probably gonna get this
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defense with this personnel, this formation. They're not taught the
game of football. And so if I don't know between
the front coverage and all the tendencies that are go
beyond that, I don't know the weaknesses of that coverage,
of that particular defense, or of that blitz. And that's
part of the issue. Like I remember calling games hearing
coaches talking about, well, hey, how do you read this,
or how do you teach them the oh, just look
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for space. I'm like, what look for space? Or they're
literally looking over to the sideline and the coach is
basically telling them who to throw to. You know, if
they do this, just throw to that guy. If they
do this, store to that guy. And that's it. Like
the one, there's not even like a progression and they
sit back and shotgun and catch the ball they're looking
to throw. And that's what's happened. The entire quarterback position
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has been watered down. We used to have QB school
where you would go before everyone else and you wouldn't throw.
You would sit there and watch tape and go over
the concepts and go over the reads and go over
exactly what you're supposed to do. Then you go out
in the field and you drop back until you felt
like you're gonna pull your groin to get a sense
of timing and footwork within that play. So that kind
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of ties in the second thing, which is shotgun. To me,
shot the shotgun has killed a bit of how quarterbacks
play the game, meaning there's not as much of a
sense of timing and rhythm that's tied in with their footwork.
And even when I watched you know, young people who
play the position and they understand, you know, and timing
and rhythm. Usually they have a good sense and feel
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for it because their feet. But when you when you
play under center, you have to be able to have
a sense of timing and rhythm with my three five
seven step or if it's a play action, or if
it's a boot or a sprint out, whatever it is,
everything's coordinated. Like I know, on on my first read,
if I'm throwing that ball, I hit my fifth step
and I'm either choosing to throw it or not. And
if I'm not, I'm gonna hitch to the next one.
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Then I'm gonna hitch to the next one, and then
I probably have to take off or dump down like
that is how the game used to be played, and
not enough of that as being taught at lower levels
and even in college then leading up to the NFL level.
So there's a big learning curve there of the sense
of timing and rhythm because these throws are made before
guys are where they need to be, and you have
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to have confidence in faith in your footwork and the
timing for that concept or play and when to let
that ball go while there's a rushing everything else, because
if you hold on to it and wait, it's too long.
And then last thing I'd say is there's an element
of the Patrick Mahomes Steph Curry effect where too many
kids now are trying to make like big splash throws,
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big splash plays instead of like doing the ordinary extraordinarily well,
like I think more people nowadays want to be Patrick Mahomes,
and there's nothing wrong with that. Like Patrick Mahomes is the
greatest right now, he might be the end up being
the greatest of all time, but he also has a
unique skill set like Steph Curry right that you're not
all gonna be able to obtain. You're not gonna be
(23:40):
able to shoot threes and from the logo or from
whatever where else like Steph Curry as high of a clip,
and you're not gonna be able to do what Patrick
Mahomes can do, all right, because not many people have
the arm, twent or ability to do that. And so
you'd rather be more like Tom Brady where you can
understand where to put the book football on third down
or Peyton Manning how to control the line of scrimmage,
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because those are things you can control as far as
your your fundamentals, your mental approach, and how you go
about playing the game. And so there's elements of that too.
But to me, like that is the summarization of why
we are where we are with offenses struggling right now
and what you're seeing from quarterback play in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Sotal in commentary. Bro, Yeah, I'm so thoroughly impressed with you, Brady,
Like I'm proud of you, man.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
I've raised you the right way.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Man, Bro, do you know how long I've been sitting
on this though, Like it has bothered me for years
because I've called games and I'll never forget and I'm
not going to say who the quarterback was, because he's
he's gone through some stuff off the field. But I
remember going down and talking with them and I said
to him, like, hey, what are you thinking on this
(24:46):
third down concept? Like we're watching tape and he said
to me, I didn't even know it was third down.
We were moving so fast. And I looked at him
and I said, well, so like the pass play concept
didn't like make you think like, oh, this is third down?
Or I said, you're not looking at the sticks. He's like, no,
we're trying to play with so much time, but to
put pressure on defenses. And I thought to myself, my god,
(25:09):
this young man's gonna have a shot to go to
the NFL. And he did, and I thought he's gonna
be so woefully prepared of trying to play at that
level that he almost doesn't have a shot. This is
almost a disservice to him because he's in college and
he's learning. You know, he's got all these classes he's taking,
but he's not learning football. He's just learning how to
run plays really fast. And I'm like, he's either gonna
(25:32):
get hurt playing at the NFL level or he's gonna
find out very quick. The mental adjustment is so big
and no one's gonna give him time to do it.
And and honestly, between you know, other stuff, he kind
of flamed out anyway. But he had he had a talent,
he had the ability, he had the arm, he had
all the all the things you're looking for. He had it.
But it was just the mental aspect of it that
he was never taught. And that's what kills me now
(25:54):
and seeing this and people are like, oh, you know
what's happened with the court. This has been going on
for a while now. Like Tom, he talks about it,
and then so when Tom says that, people listen. But
I've tried to see this to Jonas for like, like
when I watch tape, I'm just like, my god, like,
right now, I'll tell you this much. Dylan Ryola the
quarterback in Nebraska and they played a night at eight PM.
I would take that kid right now, that kid right
(26:15):
now in next year's draft, number one, number one overall.
When I watch that young man, he plays with a
sense of timing, footwork with and all that. And the
funny thing is they compare him to Patrick Mahomes, And
there's some there's some similarities because of his arm talent.
But you look at how he anticipates, you look at
how he reads a progression, how he works the pocket.
That kid right now as a freshman, has it all.
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He has it all. And I don't know how good
they'll be in Nebraska. I don't know how big this
thing's gonna get, but he will give them a shot
because he's that talented. And it's not the takeaway from
Shador Sanders or Carson Beck or cam Ward by the way,
who I flip and love. I'm just saying this kid,
that young right now at Nebraska, who doesn't have, you know,
the type of skilled players around him, like all those
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other quarterbacks I just mentioned you. It's it's fun to
watch his tape because of how he plays the game
because his dad played in the NFL. His dad was alignment. Great,
so I'm in done stuff. So I was way too
long of a Dietra.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Great.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's great, And you've brought it up a bunch of
times before, and it's like when you see people complain
about it, and you know, mel Kiper's throwing out these
different ideas, get rid of, you know, the two safeties,
and it's not it well, it's not. It like I
just remember back in the day, it was like, all right,
if you want to make people respect and get their respect,
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run the ball, establish the run, and that way it'll
open up the pass. It just seemed simple back in
the day. That's what it was like. If you want
to if you want play action to work, if you
want to have something down the field, establish something in
the trenches, so you make those safeties have to come
up and have to play the run and that way
to open things up. And it's like now there's just
no emphasis on that. There's just are you coaching that?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Are you coach? So let me ask you this, and
you've I'm sure you've been on the offensive side of
the balls. You've seen this. Like if I was to
ask you what's harder, what's harder to install and execute
a running play or a pass play?
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Uh, it's well, it's that depends. It is certainly from
the progression and getting everybody on the same page is
probably the past.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Okay, So I would say from the offensive perspective, it's
a run play you need more people to execute properly
in order to be able to get it right. Yea,
And a pass play outside of having a little bit
of protection, as long as one guy runs this route right,
you can throw a completion. All the four ELGEB receivers
could mess up and it wouldn't matter, like only that
one guy and that quarterback have to be able to
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do it right. And that's one of the reasons why
offense has gotten so far from like hammering down on
all these different run concepts and teaching it because it
takes time and it's boring, Like, no one what's watching
the handoff and run inside zone, outside zone, different power
you know, power counter schemes and traps and different man.
I mean, no one wants to watch that and practice
it because it's that.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Is that is complex. But my only pushback on that
would be in a pass play, you have to know
who you're blocking, like you get and you have to
make sure Jean come on.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Like that's not complicated, Like it's like past pro for
forever in the NFL, like some many West Coast teams
have been like two jet three jets, right, and so.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
It only takes one person to come for if you
don't if you don't, yes, execution detection, yes, but here's.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
The only thing I'll say is as long as I
get the football off before he gets there, doesn't matter,
I promise you. When I hand off, if the if
the front side guard tackle misses their block, that breaking
plays pretty much over.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Conceptually, what you're saying is correct in real time with
players Like I coached high school kids, so I don't
know what it's like at the college level or at
the pro level, but in the high school level, that's complicated.
It's actually, I'll say, I'll offer this, it's actually complicated
to get guys to count from the boundary one two three,
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not like think about that. It's hard to get them
to apply just being able through what it is that
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
To say, by the way, that concept you're saying about
pass protection, it's the same thing for run blocking. Yeah,
it's gonna be hard for them to identify who it is,
especially shift all that.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Yes, yes, uh yeah, but it's a it's it's time
consuming on on all fronts. I guess is the point,
and and it is a lot of repetition. And when
you get into the game and lines start moving around,
or linebacker walks up or safety walks up, different things
like that, you got to know who you're blocking. Because
it just takes one person on the defensive side reading
(30:44):
it correctly for the play to get totally jacked up.
So yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Who would you guys say right now should be not
who's going to be, but should be Rookie of the
Year in the NFL right now?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Joel and I don't. I mean for August played really
well too for the Saints, but I would say, Joe
All's been. By the way, I I have to admit
this publicly too, because Pete Prisco comes all this on Tuesdays.
I know it's not Tuesday. But Rick Spielman, the former
general manager for the Minnesota Vikings, Uh, we would go
over a lot of different draft prospects and comps and
and I hate comps. He hates comps. But he walked
(31:22):
in studio one time and he said, both to Pete
and I, Joe Alt, my conference is Jonathan Ogden. And
I was like, okay, like I remember Ogden, like LaVar,
you remember Augden.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I'm going to touch that one. Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So so here's the thing is I said the exact
same thing to Rick. I said, I'm not going to
go there. That's like super super such high praise. That's
gonna be hard for any player to live up to that.
And I will say through two games in the NFL,
that is quite possibly the next Jonathan Ogden. I mean,
and it's look, I realized he's a right tackle and
(31:57):
it's it's a lot of high praise, but he's the
both six foot nine, Ogna was a little thicker, but
all probably by the time he's all said done, who's
around three twenty five, will probably be on three thirty
three thirty five. Like, there's a lot of similarities there. Man,
I'm just saying, like he was dead on I you know,
was skeptical, but and I've watched a lot of tape
(32:18):
on all. It's just it was hard to see it
until you got the NFL. NFL level. Now you're like,
oh yeah, you pretty much shut down Max Crosby.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Like first game as an NFL player gets Max Crosby
and was outstanding, like and and he just won't even
be in consideration for the award, like not even and
he probably we're looking at a guy you don't.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Think if the Charges like win the AFC West and
they're running the crap out of the ball, you don't
think so.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
No, I don't think I don't think it a lineman.
Did uh? Why am I blanket on his name from?
Did Quentin Nelson? Did he get any consideration for Rookie
of the Year.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
He probably it's probably even harder because he's a guard.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
But it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I mean, yeah, it's bringing back the old line, baby,
rumming back the old way. Bell, kayper, what's wrong on defense?
You know, getting a little bit of love? All right?
Maybe the defense.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's the weird thing, var is no one gives defense credit.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
There's some explanation connected to that too, but I know
we're up on it, you know what I mean. But yeah,
I mean your explanation from from the offensive perspective of
it and how at the viewpoint vantage point of it
from the defensive side. There's there's I mean, just super quick.
I know we got break, but just super quick. You
look at seven on seven culture athletes that we're playing
(33:29):
defensive end playing linebacker are now playing cornerback and playing
playing safety positions. And they're playing it from youth on up.
So it's changed like the evolution of it like I
saw it with Sean Taylor. You know, the guys that
could play linebacker are playing safety. Guys that could play
safety are playing playing corner. So it's like the evolution
(33:52):
of athletes and where they're playing, Like everybody used to
want to play running back, Well, now they're moving to
different positions.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Can you give you an example of that. You know
Greg grwiss so, the defensive end for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Absolutely, he played safety and wide receiver in high school
and then converted to a defensive end when he went
to the University of Miami and now he's one of
the better edge rushers after being a first round pick
to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
And it's because they have a different type of wiggle
than what a traditional defensive lineman would have. They have
a different type of movement than what a traditional linebacker
would have. So now you have guys that can play
with that type of movement and they're closer to the
ball or they're off, but they're all there like you're not.
(34:38):
You're almost playing in a nickel and dime and penny
set every single time you're out there on the field,
and that didn't used to be what it was. So
it's like an evolution as well in terms of what
is important to the defenses and where you're playing, you know,
and that makes a major It makes a major difference,
(34:58):
a major difference.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
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Speaker 3 (35:15):
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Speaker 2 (35:20):
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Speaker 9 (35:24):
Lap Good Friday Morning, Everybuddy, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning, Brady,
Good morning, LeVar, Morny, Brian, good morning, Lorena. Guys, it
is especially awesome Friday morning.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I am stoked.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Do you guys know why? Do you know whyday is
an especially awesome day?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Hey, Brady, here's You're going to Disneyland.
Speaker 10 (35:44):
I am going to Disneyland. I got this Disney hat
that Lorena brought for me. I'm rocking it. It goes
well with my with my packer's shirt.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
That I'm wearing. Because it is a cheese hat. It
looks like a block of cheese.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I mean, rats eat cheese.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Gratitude each.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
It's gonna bite out of them.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Everything I.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Cleaned up about three of them out of my garage
before I left for Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, you go, tom Cat. Then the black Cat trap.
Those things are undefeated. Oh my god, you got a rat,
get a tom Cat trap? Throw that? Uh you know
it happened. I don't know, little eating good.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Let's just say I understood why mister Stix was like, hey,
why y'all put me up in this this cage? Man,
these these these people are making fun of me. They're
they're having fun at my expense, you know.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
You put a little peanut butter in the in the cup,
throw it out there, and within forty eight hours that
rattle look like that guy in the back seat on
Pull Fiction. It's crazy destroyed.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Sorry Peter, but they did look like like a piece
of lint.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
From from the from the dryer. You know. Hey, So
there you go. There's there. There's how That's how I
feel about your cheese.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Up top bar up top, tom Cat twins.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Come on yeah yeah, tom Cat baby.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
Okay, go ahead, Well you missed plenty of reasons to
be happy today. I got a little bit of a
song for you. Here you go. Good morning everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Oh yeah, Yeah, that's rights.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
The anniversary. Yeah, three year anniversary.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Three years, it's been three years.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I feel like I feel like the uh, the husband
in the relationship that forgets the anniversary. I mean, I
mean about you that you remembered.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, I'm the wife. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I don't know that.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
But funny, I'm playing, Uh, I'm playing the Flintstones where
Fred remember?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And what's your face? Forgot?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Wilma, Wilma forgot? Well listen the happy anniversary, guys. Been
a fun ride.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Alright, congrats guys. Yeah, it's been good. It's been good.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Three years of people hating on us, but three years
of doing some of some dope right now.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Why are you gonna say it like that?
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Var?
Speaker 6 (38:17):
I mean, because if you ain't got haters, you ain't winning,
You ain't popping it actually is true. But if you
ain't doing what you doing, people ain't hating. They ain't
paying attention. They pay attention to things that they want
to hate on because well they wish they could do it.
So to all y'all haters out there, screw you getting
and to all the people that support us, thank you
(38:38):
for the three years.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Get that work for three years, get that work.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
They hate us because they ate us.
Speaker 10 (38:46):
And if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. From the
Oklahoma State Fair, a man is being accused of using
human extrement from a porta potty to stink out his
opponent during what is called the Stinking Centric contest where
you stick inside, where you stay inside of CenTra as long.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
As you can.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Miss what you just happened. What happened.
Speaker 10 (39:09):
So there's this contest at the Oklahoma State Fair called
the Stinking Center contest. Basically, you stick inside the in
the car as long as you can. Last person to
stay wins the car. So day four you're giving you're
giving potty breaks. Guy gets a cup of stuff from
the porta potty, brings it in with it stinks out
his opponent.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
To win the CenTra at Yeah, so he's been accused
of cheating.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
I think this is going to the courts something like
that for me, courts, and I would have just won,
you know, legally, fair and square, just by crop dusting
them out of there. I mean, you're gonna get some
good ammunition from the Oklahoma State Fair.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Well, how bad do you want it? You know, like, oh, no,
I mean, what's I mean, what's the problem? Like he
wanted he wanted the car more than the other guy did.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Sorry, I mean, what is the problem. Did they say
in the rule book you can go to a porter
potty and do that?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (40:02):
There is there are, Yes, there are rules about bringing
in props, props that you could you could take off
your shirt, you could do You can bring in food,
but you can't bring in that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
I mean, isn't that the waste product of a food?
Speaker 5 (40:21):
I mean, I would argue that it's food.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
So it turned into food. So that's what.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I don't know if this is in or out. I
think we did away with that segment, but but I'm
out of the segment right now until we moves on
something else.
Speaker 10 (40:39):
Well, guys, uh, we've something. Sometimes you got to admit
your wrongs. A Chinese zo has finally admitted that their
pandas aren't in fact pandas. I saw this there. Their
pantas are in fact of dogs painted like pandas.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Have you guys seen this? So obvious?
Speaker 10 (41:00):
Pretty cute though they haven't admitted it for years, They've
stuck stuck to their guns.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
But h they're pretty cute years and they've denied it.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Anyone who looks at the photos, just look at the photos.
You're like, that's a dog painted it.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
It's dog.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Oh my god. People actually thought these were real pandas.
I don't think they were full of many people.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
No, but like the zoo denied it for that long.
It's like why not just go yeah, we can't get
any pandas? Like why would you deny it? For years?
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Visitors were demanding.
Speaker 10 (41:33):
Their money back because of the dogs and they so
that's why they were like.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
No, I mean you know what.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Do they have to give money back? Are they being sued?
Speaker 6 (41:47):
Are they like false advertising? I mean I guess you're saying,
come like yes to pandace.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
It's so blatantly obvious and so crazy that they're cute
portray this for years now.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Did they spray paint their hair to get them to
look like that design?
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, that work. They're pay Good for them, man, good
for them. Guys. Paint some guys painting a curve? Like,
can I borrow that for a minute.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
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