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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Hey, fellas, could I throw something out at y'all, like
just I just stumbled upon it, Like I'm just hanging
out on social media a little bit.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
I know we did. I don't want to get off script,
but I.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Mean, do y'all see this stuff like like the circulating
around Bryce Young lost the starting job as a quarterback
and as a boyfriend, Like, did.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Y'all see this? Are y'all up on this?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You know what happened?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Apparently apparently his his former girlfriend. I guess ex girlfriend
is now dating Tyrese Maxie. It was like seen on
the jumbo tron, but just not too long ago, was seen,
you know, at training camp with with Bryce kind of
(01:45):
just surfaced that, you know, they was at the Philadelphia
Eagles game and they put Tyrese Maxie on the on
the jumbo tron and it happened to be a young
lady that looked familiar to people, and so people started
like kind of digging in to it, and.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
They figured out that it was Bryce Young's.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I believe, actually I hope it's his ex girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Well, you know, it's been a rough, rough stretch.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
That's a rough goal, man.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's a rough go ma. You you never
want to lose that way. You know, he's a good guy.
He'll be all right.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
He is a good guy. Man.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
You know, you hate hate when that happens, you know,
I gotta hate it. Man, Summer rentals and some you buy.
He just had a rental. It's all good. He'll be fine,
He'll land on his feet.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It is uh okay, it is.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
That's great advice, Jonas say love doctor Dan.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
You know sometimes you buy, sometimes rent. Now, now that
being said, there has been an issue, not just not
just Bryce Young, but there's been an issue with offenses.
And there's been an issue with the passing game in
the NFL for the first couple of weeks, and people
are trying to figure out what the problem is. And
(03:00):
and Melchiper Junior of ESPN he thinks he knows what
the issue is. He thinks he's got a solution for it.
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Well, I grew up with the best of the National
Football INUE sixty seventies into the eighties. You're talking about
deep shots right, the go route, the nine route posts.
You're talking about Terry Bradshaw in a Super Bowl hitting
John Stalworth. You'd see Leroy Irvin diving right just off
his Fingertaire is the receiver. They laid it out there right,
hit the receiver in stride, sixty five yard touchdown.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
It's a beautiful thing to watch.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
That's what I want to see brought back to the
National Football league, check down kings, bubble screen sensations, boring football. Uh,
game manager, I get it, but I want to see
those deep shots.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
That's what the.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
NFL was built on.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
I grew up with John Ya Nightas, Fran Tarkington, Ken Stabler,
Darryl Leamonica.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You know you're talking about quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
Joe name which just Brett Fard when he was doing
what he did, Burt Jones with the Baltimore Colts. You
think about those quarterbacks who would throw the ball down
the field. I said, what Bradshaw did was Stalworth and
Swan Roger stallback. That's what I want to see brought back. Say, well,
you can't do that, right. We got five yard rule
with the quarterbacks, right, the milk blunt rule.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Right now, with the push thing with hurts. You got
to be a yard back now.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
So don't tell me you can't have those safeties closer
to the line of scrimmage than they are. I was
in games where I'm thinking, hey, too high, they're out
now in space too.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I could even find us that they're playing.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
With nine guys right one are the other two on
the other two they're so dag going forward back And
even though they're part of dan play. I'm telling you,
we gotta change this thing, and we got to have Hey,
you can warn them and I rail they come up. Hey,
guys got to get up a little bit right. You're
too far back, warn no safeties. But you got to
figure out competition. Mty, somebody dan O, somebody's got to.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Figure out what that depth is.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
But it's too far and back right now, the NFL
is being ruined bodies, too high safety all right.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So that's the dumbest thing I've heard. I didn't want
to do it.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I want to do it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
No.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And here's the thing is, milk Kyper was getting pushed
back from Lewis Riddick, from Todd McShay, from other people
who work for you know as well. And I don't know,
mel Kuiper, I can't speak to the conversation of how
this came about to make TV. I mean, clearly you're
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searching and really trying to stretch what is the truth
right now? What's happening in the NFL. The NFL has
adapted and many defenses are running what's called a shell
coverage now, and the shell coverage has become one of
the predominant looks that defenses give because it's hard for
offenses to discern what coverage it's going to be. And
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it's more of a split safety coverage, right, And that's
what he's speaking to, where they can kind of play
a little with more depth, more flat footed, and they
can do a variety of things with how they manipulate
the shell coverage to play varieties of cover two, cover four, quarter,
quarter half, and things that make it difficult for many
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teams that want to throw the football to throw the football.
I mean, any split safety look where we have a
too high safety look is created to prevent the pass
and you have less numbers down around the line of scrimmage.
So inherently you should be able to run the football.
And so there's a few things that are happening right now.
A lot of defense are running the shell coverage. The
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shell coverage is effective because it confuses It makes it
harder for quarterbacks to discern what the coverage is for
wide receivers as well, when they have route adjustments within
the actual play call. And then what that does is
if it slows down the timing and the process of
the actual pass play concept, it makes it easier for
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the defensive linemen who are already better athletes. The defense
has always better athletes in that side of the ball,
so they're going to be able to get after that
ass on the offensive line, which offensive line play is
as bad as it's ever been. So let's break down
a little further. Why is that. Well, from the youngest ages,
we've now stopped hitting as much, which when you play
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offensive line, it's a physical sport. You have to learn
how to use your hands, use your body. You have
to bang, and they're not practicing that as much, not
in high school, not in college, not in the NFL,
So you get less developed offensive line coming up through
the ranks. Also, you get offensive linemen who are not
even taught how to drive block out of block in
the running game. So not only is the running game
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less effective going up against the shell coverage because these
guys don't really do it anymore. They're at a two
point stance. They're used to sitting back and shotgun throwing
all the time, or against some sort of spread offense.
It's either that or the fact that, again, the better
athletes are on the defensive side of the ball, and
that's only continued to get better and better. Better, So
that gap of difference in athleticism has widened, hasn't shrunk.
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So you've got the technical skills not necessary on the
offensive side, and then you've got the athletic skills not
necessary to go along with that, which makes the shell
coverage even more effective. So you want shots downfield, it
takes time. Well, bring in more and protection. Great. Now
I've got a seven man protection and I've got a
minimum of six, you know, at least six or five
guys in coverage for three eligible receivers that are out
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in the routes, so it's gonna be hard for them
to get open. So there's all these these reasons as
to why the NFL is struggling to create big play,
struggling to have this passing game. But credit the defenses.
Like we've now lived in an era of football where
it's been dominated by some of the all time greats,
Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning, you know before that we talk
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about far Drew Brees, all these quarterbacks, and Rogers is
still there holding it down. But there's also elements of
the defense has adjusted like they do. We see the
running backs are less valued now and meanwhile we're now
in an era of football where because of the style
of defense that the defenses are playing, they're probably gonna
be valued more and more because they should be able
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to have a greater impact on the game. But in
regards to like quarterback play and why quarterback play has
been so poor, this comes down to me too like
three things. The first is like, young quarterbacks aren't being
taught football. They're not being taught fronts, they're not being
taught coverages. They're not being taught you know, bullets and
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pressures and how the fronts and coverage is tie in
with one another. Like LeVar, if I said to you, hey,
on this particular play, all right, you know you've got
this front, it's usually going to tie in with a
certain coverage. Is that not pretty accurate with how you
look at it. Yes, So the reality is young quarterbacks
aren't taught anymore. Hey, when you get this front, you're
probably gonna get this defense with this personnel, this formation.
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They're not taught the game of football. And so if
I don't know between the front coverage and all the
tendencies that are go beyond that, I don't know the
weaknesses of that coverage of that particular defense or of
that blitz, and that's part of the issue. Like I
remember calling games hearing coaches talking about, well, hey, how
do you read this, or how do you teach them
the oh, just look for space. I'm like, what look
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for space? Or they're literally looking over to the side
line and the coach is basically telling them who to
throw to. You know, if they do this, just throw
to that guy. If they do this, store to that guy.
That's it. Like the one, there's not even like a progression,
and they sit back and shotgun and catch the ball
and looking to throw. And that's what's happened. The entire
quarterback position has been watered down. We used to have
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QB school where you would go before everyone else and
you wouldn't throw. You would sit there and watch tape
and go over the concepts and go over the reads
and go over exactly what you're supposed to do. Then
you go out in the field and you drop back
until you felt like you're gonna pull your groin to
get a sense of timing and footwork within that play.
So that kind of ties in the second thing, which
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is shotgun. To me, shot the shotgun has killed a
bit of how quarterbacks play the game, meaning there's not
as much of a sense of timing and rhythm that's
tied in with their footwork and and and even when
I watched you know young people who play the position
and they understand, you know, tith timing and rhythm. Usually
they have a good sense and feel for because their feet.
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But when you play under center, you have to be
able to have a sense of timing and rhythm with
my three, five, seven step or if it's a play action,
or if it's a boot or a sprint out, whatever
it is, everything's coordinated. Like I know, on my first read,
if I'm throwing that ball, I hit my fifth step
and I'm either choosing to throw it or not. And
if I'm not, I'm gonna hitch to the next one.
Then I'm gonna hitch to the next one, and then
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I probably have to take off or dump down like
that is how the game used to be played, and
not enough of that as being taught at lower levels
and even in college then leading up to the NFL level.
So there's a big learning curve there of the sense
of timing and rhythm because these throws are made before
guys are where they need to be and you have
to have confidence in faith in your footwork and the
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timing for that concept or play, and when to let
that ball go while there's a rush everything else, because
if you hold on to it and wait, it's too long.
And then last thing I'd say is there's an element
of the Patrick Mahomes Steph Curry effect where too many
kids now are trying to make like big splash throws,
big splash plays instead of like doing the ordinary extraordinarily. Well,
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like I think more people nowadays want to be Patrick Mahomes.
There's nothing wrong with that. Like Patrick Mahomes is the
greatest right now, he might be the end up being
the greatest of all time, but he also has a
unique skill set like Steph Curry, right that you're not
all gonna be able to obtain. You're not gonna be
able to shoot threes and from the logo or from
whatever where else like Steph Curry as high of a clip,
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and you're not gonna be able to do what Patrick
Mahomes can do all right, because not many people have
the arm town or ability to do that. And so
you'd rather be more like Tom Brady, where you can
understand where to put the book football on third down
or Peyton Manning how to control the line of scrimmage,
because those are things you can control as far as
your your fundamentals, your mental approach, and how you go
about playing the game, and so there's elements of that too.
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But to me, like that is the summarization of why
we are where we are with offenses struggling right now
and what you're seeing from quarterback play in the NFL vocal.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
In commentary, Bro, Yeah, I'm so thoroughly impressed with you, Brady,
Like I'm proud of you. Man, I've raised you the
right way. Man, Bro, do you know.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
How long I've been sitting on this though, Like it
has bothered me for years because I've called games and
I'll never forget. And I'm not gonna say who the
quarterback was because he's he's gone through some stuff off
the field. But I remember going down and talking with
them and I said to him, like, Hey, what are
you thinking on this third down concept? We're like we're
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watching tape and he said to me, I didn't even
know it was third down. We were moving so fast.
And I looked at him and I said, well, so,
like the pass play concept didn't like make you think like, oh,
this is third down, or I said, you're not looking
at the sticks. He's like, no, we're trying to play
with so much time, but to put pressure on defenses.
And I thought to myself, my god, this young man's
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gonna have a shot to go to the NFL. And
he did, and I thought he's gonna be so woefully
prepared of trying to play at that level that he
almost doesn't have a shot. This is almost a disservice
to him because he's in college and he's learning. You know,
he's got all these classes he's taking, but he's not
learning football. He's just learning how to run plays really fast.
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And I'm like, he's either gonna get hurt playing at
the NFL level or he's gonna find out very quick.
The mental adjustment is so big, and no one's gonna
give him time to do it. And and honestly, between
you know, other stuff, he kind of flamed out anyway.
But he had he had a talent, he had the ability,
he had the arm, he had all the all the
things you're looking for. He had it, but it was
just a mental aspect of it that he was never taught.
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And that's what kills me now and seeing this and
people are like, oh, you know what's happened with the
quarter This has been going on for a while now,
like Tom Brady talks about it, and so when Tom
says that, people listen. But I've tried to say this
to Jonas for like, like when I watch tape, I'm
just like, my God, like, right now, I'll tell you
this much. Dylan Royola the quarterback in Nebraska, and they
played a night at eight PM. I would take that
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kid right now, that kid right now in next year's draft,
number one, number one overall. When I watch that young man,
he plays with a sense of timing, footwork and all that.
And the funny thing is they compare him to Patrick Mahomes,
and there's some there's some similarities because of his arm talent,
but you look at how he anticipates, you look at
how he reads a progression, how he works the pocket.
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That kid right now, as a freshman, has it all.
He has it all. And I don't know how good
they'll be in Nebraska. I don't know how big this
thing's gonna get, but he will give them a shot
because he's that talented. And it's not the takeaway from
Shador Sanders or Carson Beck or cam Ward by the way,
who I flip and love. I'm just saying this kid,
that young right now at Nebraska, who doesn't have, you know,
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the type of skilled players around him, like all those
other quarterbacks I just mentioned you. It's it's fun to
watch his tape because of how he plays the game
because his dad played in the NFL. His dad was alignment.
He was hot, right, Yeah, So I'm done stuff. Sorry,
I was way too long of a dietary out in.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Ipola's great, and you've brought it up a bunch of
times before, and it's like when you see people complain
about it, and you know, mel Kiper's throwing out these
different ideas, get rid of you know, the two safeties.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And all, it's not it, well, it's not it.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Like I just remember back in the day, it was like,
all right, if you want to make people respect and
get their respect, run the ball, establish the run, and
that way it'll open up the pass. It just seemed
simple back in the day. That's what it was like.
If you want to if you want play action to work,
if you want to have something down the field, establish
something in the trenches, so you make those safeties have
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to come up and have to play the run and
that way to open things up. And it's like now
there's just no emphasis on that. There's just.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That yaho, are you coached? So let me ask you
this and and and you've I'm sure you've been on
the offensive side of the ball, so you've seen this.
Like if I was to asking what's harder, what's harder
to install and execute a running play or a pass play?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Uh, it's well, it's that depens It is certainly from
the progression and getting everybody on the same page is
probably the past.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Okay, So I would say from an offensive perspective, it's
a run play, you need more people to execute properly
in order to be able to get it right. Yeah,
in a pass play, outside of having a little bit
of protection, as long as one guy runs this route right,
you can throw a completion. All the four ELGEB receivers
could mess up and it wouldn't matter. Like only that
one guy and that quarterback have to be able to
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do it right. And that's one of the reasons why
offense has gotten so far from like hammering down on
all these different run concepts and teaching it because it
takes time and it's boring. Like, no one wants to
watch the handoff and run inside zone, outside zone, different power,
you know, power counter schemes and traps and different man.
I mean, no one wants to watch that and practice
it because.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
That is complex.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But my only pushback on that would be in a
pass play, you have to know who you're blocking, like
you get and you have to make sure.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
That I mean, come on, like that's not complicated, like
it's like for forever in the NFL, like some Man
of the West Coast teams have been like two jet
three jet right, and so.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It only takes one person to come for if you don't,
if you don't, yes, execution protection, yes, but here's.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The only thing I'll say is as long as you
get the football off before he gets there the matter.
I promise you when I hand off, if the front
side guard tackle misses their block, that bring plays pretty
much over.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Conceptually, what you're saying is correct in real time with
players Like I coached high school kids, so I don't
know what it's like at the college level or at
the pro level, but in the high school level, that's complicated.
It's actually, I'll say, I'll offer this, it's actually complicated
to get guys to count from the boundary one two three,
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not like think about that. It's hard to get them
to apply just being able through what it is that
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
To say, by the way, that concept you're saying about
pass protection, it's the same thing for run block. Yeah,
it's gonna be hard for them to identify who it is,
especially if there's a shift and all that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yes, yes, uh yeah, but it's a it's it's time
consuming on on all fronts, I guess is the point.
And and it is a lot of repetition. And when
you get into the game and line start moving around
or linebacker walks up or safety walks up, different things
like that, you got to know who you're blocking because
it just takes one person on the defensive side reading
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it correctly for the play to get totally jacked up.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Absolutely, Who would you guys say right now should be
not who's going to be, but should be Rookie of
the Year in the NFL right now?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Joe? Joe? All I mean for August played really well
too for the Saints, But I would say Joe all' spin.
By the way, I I have to admit this publicly too,
because Pete Presco comes all this on Tuesdays. I know
it's not Tuesday. But Rick Spielman, the former general manager
for the Minnesota Vikas, uh, we would go over a
lot lot of different draft prospects and comps and and
I hate comps. He hates comps. But he walked in
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studio one time and he said, both to Pete and I,
Joe Alt my conference is Jonathan Ogden. And I was like, okay,
like I remember Ogden, like LaVar, you remember Augden.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm not going to touch that one, Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So so here's the thing is I said the exact
same thing to Rick. I said, I'm not going to
go there. That's like super super, such high praise. That's
gonna be hard for any player to live up to that.
And I will say, through two games in the NFL,
that is quite possibly the next Jonathan Ogden. I mean,
and it's look, I I realized he's a right tackle,
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and it's it's a lot of high praise, but he's
they're both six foot nine. Ogden was a little thicker
but all probably by the time he's all said done,
who's around three twenty five will probably be on three
thirty three thirty five. Like there's a lot of similarities there. Man,
I'm just saying like he was dead on I you know,
was skeptical, but and I have a lot of tape
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on all. It's just it was hard to see it
until you got the NFL NFL level. Now you're like, oh, yeah,
you pretty much shut down Max Crosby.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Like first game as an NFL player gets Max Crosby
and was outstanding like and and he just won't even
be in consideration for the award, like not even and
he probably we're looking at a guy.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
You don't think if the charges like win the AFC
West and they're running the crap out of the ball,
you don't think.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
So no, I don't think. I don't think it on Lineman,
did uh? Why am I blanket on his name from?
Did Quentin Nelson? Did he get any consideration for Rookie
of the Year.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He probably it's probably even harder because he's a guard.
But it's a good point.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I mean, yeah, it's bringing back the live baby. By
the way, Bell kayper, what's wrong with defense? You know,
getting a little bit of love. All right, maybe the defense.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's the weird thing for ours. No one gives defense credit.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Tired.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
There's some explanation connected to that too, but I know
we're up on it, you know what I mean. But yeah,
I mean your explanation from from the offensive perspective of
it and how the view point vantage point of it
from the defensive side, there's there's I mean, just super quick.
I know we got break, but just super quick. You
look at seven on seven culture, athletes that were playing
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defensive end, playing linebacker are now playing cornerback and playing
playing safety positions, and they're playing it from youth on up.
So it's changed like the evolution of it like I
saw it with Sean Taylor. You know, the guys that
could play linebacker are playing safety. Guys that could play
safety are playing playing corner So it's like the evolution
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of athletes and where they're playing. Like everybody used to
want to play running back, Well, now they're moving to
different positions.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Can give you an example of that. You know Greg Ruiso,
the defensive end for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, absolutely, he
played safety and wide receiver in high school and then
converted to a defensive end when he went to the
University of Miami and now he's one of the better
edge rushers after being a first round pick to the NFL.
And it's because they have a different type of wiggle
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than what a traditional defensive lineman would have. They have
a different type of movement than what a traditional linebacker
would have. So now you have guys that can play
with that type of movement and they're closer to the
ball or they're off.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
But they're all there like you're not. You're almost playing
in a nickel and dime and penny set every single
time you're out there on the field. And that didn't
used to be what it was. So it's like an
evolution as well in terms of what is important to
the defenses and where you're playing, you know, and that
makes a major it makes a major difference. It's a
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major difference.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Here on Fox
Sports Radio, we are going to have our picks against
the spread as we get you set for Week three
in the NFL. That'll be yours here about twelve minutes
from now. So for anybody out there that's like, man,
I'm sick of the Mannings, I'm tired of this crack.
Why would you Why I'm just saying a lot of
haters out there, step right up.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Because they're going to have one's gonna be planned for
a while.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, except this one's got speed, this one's got mobility.
Arch Manning, you take center stage. First career start coming
up this weekend against Louisiana Monroe. I mean, Quinn Ewers
was in the Heisman Trophy discussion and now it appears
that you know that'll simmer down a little bit cam
Ward's getting all the love, but arch Manning's going to
(25:54):
get an opportunity to showcase his skill set. By the
way he was clocked, all right, this is a big
win for Brady and I. He was clocked at top
speed faster this past week than Tyreek Hill has been
all year long. What do you think about that far
that Jonas?
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Is that really?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Did you put that in your Noah Lyles pipe and
smoke it?
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I wonder if no one knows his name, if he
knows arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Oh my gosh, I'm with it.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I'm a Manning fan, so it's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm alright with this. You do know what you just
said out your mouth right now, but I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Here's here. Here's the thing about arts though, in all seriousness,
he's a much better athlete than I think most people realize.
He you know, was a good basketball player in high school.
But when you see him take off and run, you're like, okay,
it feels different than Peyton and Eli and and look,
Eli was a good athlete, as was Peyton, especially when
(26:56):
Peyton first got in the NFL. I think I think
our recollection of Peyton is always like at the wide
of scrimmage playing from the pocket. You know, Eli and
Payton were so good at that portion of it because
that's how they stayed healthy. They realized that when you
get outside the pocket and all that, that's where danger comes,
with a lot of people like LeVar trying to take
your head off. So they learned to play from the
(27:17):
pocket and stay in the pocket get the ball of
their hand quick. Arch though, has come into the game
of football in an era where you have to have mobility,
and he does. You know, he ripped off a nice
long run. He's got the arm strength, he's got the
arm talent ability. He had a couple of really nice throws,
in particular one last week, rolling to his left, which
is hard to do, and flip the hips around, you know,
(27:39):
and through probably a forty forty five yard ball downfield
for a nice completion. So I'm excited to see what
he's capable of doing. Because this Texas team is one
of the best in college football. I think most people
would be concerned when you've got a team that's on
the cusp of being a you know, maybe SEC champ,
you know, college football playoff bound, losing their arting quarterback
(28:00):
like Quinn yours as Jonas, who pointed out he's been
talked about for the Heisman, but then you've got a
guy who's one of the top in the class waiting
in the wings, and he's looked the part so far
with the opportunities he's gotten. So, uh, look, Louisiana Monroe
is two and oh they're a good program. I believe
they might be coming off a buye too, if I'm
if I'm not mistaken on their schedule, so you know,
(28:21):
they've they've they've had a little time to prepare for this,
so it's gonna be interesting to see if Texas can
just overwhelm them with much better talent, or if Louisiana
Monroe is going to have some sort of little scheme
and game plan set up where they can make it
at least early on difficult for Arch not knowing you know,
how long is it going to be their starting quarterback
before quinn Ewers comes back.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I think it's a great game for Arch to get
his first start.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, if you were talking that like this was
like a big, big, big game and he's getting his
first start, I think that that's, Uh, there's a lot
more at stake, right, Like things could go so bad.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I just feel like this is a safe like this,
this this team that they're playing, this opponent that they're playing,
it's a safe start. It's a safe place to really
begin if you take place.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I'm telling you, Louisian Monroe is better than you think.
Man will surprise you.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, I just watched the Bowling Green try to take
it to us and win NB Stadium. But yeah, yeah,
I mean tomato, tomato. I don't care less about what it's.
It's a lot, That's what I'm saying. It's like the
sun the Sun Belt hits different. I'm telling you, like,
they got some sneaky good teams in there.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And I just I'm just saying that it could be
like a slow start.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
But if it's against Alabama, that's still different than Louisiana.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
What are they Lafayette Tech? What what are they going?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Monroe? There?
Speaker 6 (29:46):
You go? Never heard of them? And and and the
idea of it to me is that I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But I know them now because you brought them up
and you hyped them up, so good good for them.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I know them now. But and I really don't know him.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I just know the name of it, and I probably
won't even remember it until I see the game or
see the score of the game. Now, if they win,
then it makes you look like you know that it's amazing,
and that's great for them, and they did what they
needed to do, and that isn't great for Arch.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
If they were to win, and they do, they have
a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
They've got a chance. They're playing. I don't think they're
going to win. I think they can even close for
a quarter or a half.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Forty four point underdogs are ulm.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I think it's more about the style in which he
wins this game and plays this game versus anything else.
If if he doesn't play at a level where it
says this is like this is what it's supposed to
look like, this is like your brag adocious you're happy
about what Arch did? I think that it's it's kind
(30:51):
of you know, I don't know. I think you're you're
still like, where's yours? When is he coming back? But
if he if he handles his business against a team
like that, then you feel as though there's and I
mean tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like
then there's confidence saying that once we get into our
conference play that we can win with Arch and maybe
(31:12):
you don't even look back.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
You never turn back, and he stays as your starter.
But I feel like if he.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Struggles in a game like this, then that that raises
questions in terms of what he can do for them
long term. He I mean, for what is worth. He
wasn't starting for a reason, whether he was beat out or.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
A first round pick. Well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I mean, but when you're at top programs, you're gonna
have top prospects for the next level, at least on
the nils in transfer portal. Maybe not as deep, but
at least at the second position. I mean, I don't
know what Arch projects as, but I would assume.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
He projects to be a first round pick.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
And so there you go. That's so. That's so. All
I'm saying is is that he didn't. He did not
win the job. Whether it was seniority, whether.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It wasn't a qubu competition though, but there should always
be a competition.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Like would you accept that? Would you accept that? Would anybody?
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I'm not the coach of Texas. I'm just telling you
what Steve Syracusan said. It sounds like you're not up
to date on anything in Texas. That's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, well, I'm just looking at it from a practical
standpoint in terms of if you're a guy, you come in,
you're top prospect, You're.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, but if the coach is like, hey, Quinn's our starter,
we want you to continue to keep developing. You know,
if you need to go in, we got you. But like,
Quinn's our guy. Like that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
That I mean, it is different, but that doesn't change
q Like, that doesn't change.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Competition is competition.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But you don't got to convince me. I'm just telling
you what happened in Austin. That's all.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm not I don't know that we're I mean, it's like,
I'm not debating you. I'm just saying in general, if
I come in as a top top guy, and I
had that type of and.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
They were having that conversation last year.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Last year, they were having this conversation about when is
arch want to get in, when is he going to
play or can he win the position? Like so whatever
Sarkisan says, he says, but at the end of the day,
it's the results that are going to pay dividends, right, Like,
if Quin yours gets in there and he's not doing well,
You're going to try to figure out do I bring
Arch in or do I work through this with Quinn yours?
(33:17):
Like if Arch Manning continues to play well, how long
is yours out for?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
He's out for abdominal injury.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
We don't know, questionable this week.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
So I mean, just depending on how long he's out for.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
If Arch plays well and he gets into a big
game and he plays well, do you bring Quin yours
back in? Is that not a question? Or it's like, hey,
Quen yours is our? Guy said this, I've already said.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
What's going on? Yours back in? Yeah, well there you go.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean that's I would say that that's by program,
and that's by coach, and that's by situation.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Like that's that's what I would say.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Maybe, But like Quinn's played really really well in big spots,
I mean, and he's led this team to a Big
twelve Championship College Football playoff. He came back. I could
have went to the NFL last year, chose to come back.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
So I added Jackson sang a song a long time ago.
It was called what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Dunne, Yeah, and he's been great so far. I just
blew out Michigan in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So he did blow out Michigan in Michigan. But if
yours is if Art is bawling and they get into
a big game and he's bawling in a big game,
I don't feel like that's an easy decision to make.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I really don't.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
This five lines, not those kind of lines. Five picks,
five spreads, Time for picks against the spread?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
All right, Lee, what do we got?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
All right?
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Guys?
Speaker 10 (35:21):
Looking ahead to this week? It was a rough one
last week, it was another time between LaVar and Jonas.
Good job you, guys, three and two. I won't mention
how you did Brady.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Last week on that one, but looking at it, a
good one.
Speaker 10 (35:32):
No, not a good one at all, buddy, I'm sorry,
but we can make up for st.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'll never highlighted the three and one from last nightly.
That's just I got it for you, but I'll uh,
I got it for you. I haven't ready for you.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
But moving on we have.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Ah.
Speaker 10 (35:45):
We got a good game at on Fox. Eagles at Saints.
Saints are three point favorites on the road at home.
Excuse me, Eagles at Saint Saints three point favorite.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I'll take Philly.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Wait, Eagles versus the Saints. They're at home, Saints are home. Okay,
some Eagles at Sense and then Eagles are three point favorite.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Saints are Saints are three point favorites at I'll.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Lay the three of the Saints.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Eagles are going win straight up.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Money line, money line, money line.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Next up, we got the Eddie Garcia Bowl. Chargers at Steelers.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Steelers are a point and a half favorite at home.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Both teams are.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Two and zero. Oh Man, Still, there's a cover. We
don't know about Herbert doing. Now, could the easton stick?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I'll take the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I'm gonna take the Steelers. I'm worried about Herbert not playing.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
Still is a couple banged up teams on the West Coast.
Niners at Rams. Niners are six and a half point
favorites on the road.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Rams getting too many points.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna do with the Niners. Matt so fishy,
there's gotta be something to that.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
And Barr, you said you were taking the We're taking
the Rams with the points.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Yeah, all right, guys too.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Afternoon game here as well. Ravens at Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Ravens are a point favorite.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
On the Dallas maybe laying with Baltimore.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
Lastly, Sunday Night Football, Chiefs are three point favorites at Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I'm laying the three of the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
I'll take Atlanta. Kirk Cousins bounces back again. In prime time,
proven all you haters, get all chiefs on cover. Yeah,
that's a love it and that's our thanks against the scratch.
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Hey, fellas, could I throw something out at y'all, like
just I just stumbled upon it, Like I'm just hanging
out on social media a little bit.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
I know we did. I don't want to get off script,
but I.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Mean, do y'all see this stuff like like the circulating
around Bryce Young lost the starting job as a quarterback
and as a boyfriend, Like, did.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Y'all see this? Are y'all up on this?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You know what happened?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Apparently apparently his his former girlfriend. I guess ex girlfriend
is now dating Tyrese Maxie. It was like seen on
the jumbo tron, but just not too long ago, was seen,
you know, at training camp with with Bryce kind of
(01:45):
just surfaced that, you know, they was at the Philadelphia
Eagles game and they put Tyrese Maxie on the on
the jumbo tron and it happened to be a young
lady that looked familiar to people, and so people started
like kind of digging in to it, and.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
They figured out that it was Bryce Young's.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I believe, actually I hope it's his ex girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Well, you know, it's been a rough, rough stretch.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
That's a rough goal, man.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's a rough go ma. You you never
want to lose that way. You know, he's a good guy.
He'll be all right.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
He is a good guy. Man.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
You know, you hate hate when that happens, you know,
I gotta hate it. Man, Summer rentals and some you buy.
He just had a rental. It's all good. He'll be fine,
He'll land on his feet.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It is uh okay, it is.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
That's great advice, Jonas say love doctor Dan.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
You know sometimes you buy, sometimes rent. Now, now that
being said, there has been an issue, not just not
just Bryce Young, but there's been an issue with offenses.
And there's been an issue with the passing game in
the NFL for the first couple of weeks, and people
are trying to figure out what the problem is. And
(03:00):
and Melchiper Junior of ESPN he thinks he knows what
the issue is. He thinks he's got a solution for it.
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Well, I grew up with the best of the National
Football INUE sixty seventies into the eighties. You're talking about
deep shots right, the go route, the nine route posts.
You're talking about Terry Bradshaw in a Super Bowl hitting
John Stalworth. You'd see Leroy Irvin diving right just off
his Fingertaire is the receiver. They laid it out there right,
hit the receiver in stride, sixty five yard touchdown.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
It's a beautiful thing to watch.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
That's what I want to see brought back to the
National Football league, check down kings, bubble screen sensations, boring football. Uh,
game manager, I get it, but I want to see
those deep shots.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
That's what the.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
NFL was built on.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
I grew up with John Ya Nightas, Fran Tarkington, Ken Stabler,
Darryl Leamonica.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You know you're talking about quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
Joe name which just Brett Fard when he was doing
what he did, Burt Jones with the Baltimore Colts. You
think about those quarterbacks who would throw the ball down
the field. I said, what Bradshaw did was Stalworth and
Swan Roger stallback. That's what I want to see brought back. Say, well,
you can't do that, right. We got five yard rule
with the quarterbacks, right, the milk blunt rule.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Right now, with the push thing with hurts. You got
to be a yard back now.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
So don't tell me you can't have those safeties closer
to the line of scrimmage than they are. I was
in games where I'm thinking, hey, too high, they're out
now in space too.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I could even find us that they're playing.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
With nine guys right one are the other two on
the other two they're so dag going forward back And
even though they're part of dan play. I'm telling you,
we gotta change this thing, and we got to have Hey,
you can warn them and I rail they come up. Hey,
guys got to get up a little bit right. You're
too far back, warn no safeties. But you got to
figure out competition. Mty, somebody dan O, somebody's got to.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Figure out what that depth is.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
But it's too far and back right now, the NFL
is being ruined bodies, too high safety all right.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So that's the dumbest thing I've heard. I didn't want
to do it.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I want to do it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
No.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And here's the thing is, milk Kyper was getting pushed
back from Lewis Riddick, from Todd McShay, from other people
who work for you know as well. And I don't know,
mel Kuiper, I can't speak to the conversation of how
this came about to make TV. I mean, clearly you're
(05:12):
searching and really trying to stretch what is the truth
right now? What's happening in the NFL. The NFL has
adapted and many defenses are running what's called a shell
coverage now, and the shell coverage has become one of
the predominant looks that defenses give because it's hard for
offenses to discern what coverage it's going to be. And
(05:37):
it's more of a split safety coverage, right, And that's
what he's speaking to, where they can kind of play
a little with more depth, more flat footed, and they
can do a variety of things with how they manipulate
the shell coverage to play varieties of cover two, cover four, quarter,
quarter half, and things that make it difficult for many
(06:00):
teams that want to throw the football to throw the football.
I mean, any split safety look where we have a
too high safety look is created to prevent the pass
and you have less numbers down around the line of scrimmage.
So inherently you should be able to run the football.
And so there's a few things that are happening right now.
A lot of defense are running the shell coverage. The
(06:21):
shell coverage is effective because it confuses It makes it
harder for quarterbacks to discern what the coverage is for
wide receivers as well, when they have route adjustments within
the actual play call. And then what that does is
if it slows down the timing and the process of
the actual pass play concept, it makes it easier for
(06:42):
the defensive linemen who are already better athletes. The defense
has always better athletes in that side of the ball,
so they're going to be able to get after that
ass on the offensive line, which offensive line play is
as bad as it's ever been. So let's break down
a little further. Why is that. Well, from the youngest ages,
we've now stopped hitting as much, which when you play
(07:03):
offensive line, it's a physical sport. You have to learn
how to use your hands, use your body. You have
to bang, and they're not practicing that as much, not
in high school, not in college, not in the NFL,
So you get less developed offensive line coming up through
the ranks. Also, you get offensive linemen who are not
even taught how to drive block out of block in
the running game. So not only is the running game
(07:24):
less effective going up against the shell coverage because these
guys don't really do it anymore. They're at a two
point stance. They're used to sitting back and shotgun throwing
all the time, or against some sort of spread offense.
It's either that or the fact that, again, the better
athletes are on the defensive side of the ball, and
that's only continued to get better and better. Better, So
that gap of difference in athleticism has widened, hasn't shrunk.
(07:47):
So you've got the technical skills not necessary on the
offensive side, and then you've got the athletic skills not
necessary to go along with that, which makes the shell
coverage even more effective. So you want shots downfield, it
takes time. Well, bring in more and protection. Great. Now
I've got a seven man protection and I've got a
minimum of six, you know, at least six or five
guys in coverage for three eligible receivers that are out
(08:09):
in the routes, so it's gonna be hard for them
to get open. So there's all these these reasons as
to why the NFL is struggling to create big play,
struggling to have this passing game. But credit the defenses.
Like we've now lived in an era of football where
it's been dominated by some of the all time greats,
Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning, you know before that we talk
(08:30):
about far Drew Brees, all these quarterbacks, and Rogers is
still there holding it down. But there's also elements of
the defense has adjusted like they do. We see the
running backs are less valued now and meanwhile we're now
in an era of football where because of the style
of defense that the defenses are playing, they're probably gonna
be valued more and more because they should be able
(08:51):
to have a greater impact on the game. But in
regards to like quarterback play and why quarterback play has
been so poor, this comes down to me too like
three things. The first is like, young quarterbacks aren't being
taught football. They're not being taught fronts, they're not being
taught coverages. They're not being taught you know, bullets and
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pressures and how the fronts and coverage is tie in
with one another. Like LeVar, if I said to you, hey,
on this particular play, all right, you know you've got
this front, it's usually going to tie in with a
certain coverage. Is that not pretty accurate with how you
look at it. Yes, So the reality is young quarterbacks
aren't taught anymore. Hey, when you get this front, you're
probably gonna get this defense with this personnel, this formation.
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They're not taught the game of football. And so if
I don't know between the front coverage and all the
tendencies that are go beyond that, I don't know the
weaknesses of that coverage of that particular defense or of
that blitz, and that's part of the issue. Like I
remember calling games hearing coaches talking about, well, hey, how
do you read this, or how do you teach them
the oh, just look for space. I'm like, what look
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for space? Or they're literally looking over to the side
line and the coach is basically telling them who to
throw to. You know, if they do this, just throw
to that guy. If they do this, store to that guy.
That's it. Like the one, there's not even like a progression,
and they sit back and shotgun and catch the ball
and looking to throw. And that's what's happened. The entire
quarterback position has been watered down. We used to have
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QB school where you would go before everyone else and
you wouldn't throw. You would sit there and watch tape
and go over the concepts and go over the reads
and go over exactly what you're supposed to do. Then
you go out in the field and you drop back
until you felt like you're gonna pull your groin to
get a sense of timing and footwork within that play.
So that kind of ties in the second thing, which
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is shotgun. To me, shot the shotgun has killed a
bit of how quarterbacks play the game, meaning there's not
as much of a sense of timing and rhythm that's
tied in with their footwork and and and even when
I watched you know young people who play the position
and they understand, you know, tith timing and rhythm. Usually
they have a good sense and feel for because their feet.
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But when you play under center, you have to be
able to have a sense of timing and rhythm with
my three, five, seven step or if it's a play action,
or if it's a boot or a sprint out, whatever
it is, everything's coordinated. Like I know, on my first read,
if I'm throwing that ball, I hit my fifth step
and I'm either choosing to throw it or not. And
if I'm not, I'm gonna hitch to the next one.
Then I'm gonna hitch to the next one, and then
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I probably have to take off or dump down like
that is how the game used to be played, and
not enough of that as being taught at lower levels
and even in college then leading up to the NFL level.
So there's a big learning curve there of the sense
of timing and rhythm because these throws are made before
guys are where they need to be and you have
to have confidence in faith in your footwork and the
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timing for that concept or play, and when to let
that ball go while there's a rush everything else, because
if you hold on to it and wait, it's too long.
And then last thing I'd say is there's an element
of the Patrick Mahomes Steph Curry effect where too many
kids now are trying to make like big splash throws,
big splash plays instead of like doing the ordinary extraordinarily. Well,
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like I think more people nowadays want to be Patrick Mahomes.
There's nothing wrong with that. Like Patrick Mahomes is the
greatest right now, he might be the end up being
the greatest of all time, but he also has a
unique skill set like Steph Curry, right that you're not
all gonna be able to obtain. You're not gonna be
able to shoot threes and from the logo or from
whatever where else like Steph Curry as high of a clip,
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and you're not gonna be able to do what Patrick
Mahomes can do all right, because not many people have
the arm town or ability to do that. And so
you'd rather be more like Tom Brady, where you can
understand where to put the book football on third down
or Peyton Manning how to control the line of scrimmage,
because those are things you can control as far as
your your fundamentals, your mental approach, and how you go
about playing the game, and so there's elements of that too.
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But to me, like that is the summarization of why
we are where we are with offenses struggling right now
and what you're seeing from quarterback play in the NFL vocal.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
In commentary, Bro, Yeah, I'm so thoroughly impressed with you, Brady,
Like I'm proud of you. Man, I've raised you the
right way. Man, Bro, do you know.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
How long I've been sitting on this though, Like it
has bothered me for years because I've called games and
I'll never forget. And I'm not gonna say who the
quarterback was because he's he's gone through some stuff off
the field. But I remember going down and talking with
them and I said to him, like, Hey, what are
you thinking on this third down concept? We're like we're
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watching tape and he said to me, I didn't even
know it was third down. We were moving so fast.
And I looked at him and I said, well, so,
like the pass play concept didn't like make you think like, oh,
this is third down, or I said, you're not looking
at the sticks. He's like, no, we're trying to play
with so much time, but to put pressure on defenses.
And I thought to myself, my god, this young man's
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gonna have a shot to go to the NFL. And
he did, and I thought he's gonna be so woefully
prepared of trying to play at that level that he
almost doesn't have a shot. This is almost a disservice
to him because he's in college and he's learning. You know,
he's got all these classes he's taking, but he's not
learning football. He's just learning how to run plays really fast.
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And I'm like, he's either gonna get hurt playing at
the NFL level or he's gonna find out very quick.
The mental adjustment is so big, and no one's gonna
give him time to do it. And and honestly, between
you know, other stuff, he kind of flamed out anyway.
But he had he had a talent, he had the ability,
he had the arm, he had all the all the
things you're looking for. He had it, but it was
just a mental aspect of it that he was never taught.
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And that's what kills me now and seeing this and
people are like, oh, you know what's happened with the
quarter This has been going on for a while now,
like Tom Brady talks about it, and so when Tom
says that, people listen. But I've tried to say this
to Jonas for like, like when I watch tape, I'm
just like, my God, like, right now, I'll tell you
this much. Dylan Royola the quarterback in Nebraska, and they
played a night at eight PM. I would take that
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kid right now, that kid right now in next year's draft,
number one, number one overall. When I watch that young man,
he plays with a sense of timing, footwork and all that.
And the funny thing is they compare him to Patrick Mahomes,
and there's some there's some similarities because of his arm talent,
but you look at how he anticipates, you look at
how he reads a progression, how he works the pocket.
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That kid right now, as a freshman, has it all.
He has it all. And I don't know how good
they'll be in Nebraska. I don't know how big this
thing's gonna get, but he will give them a shot
because he's that talented. And it's not the takeaway from
Shador Sanders or Carson Beck or cam Ward by the way,
who I flip and love. I'm just saying this kid,
that young right now at Nebraska, who doesn't have, you know,
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the type of skilled players around him, like all those
other quarterbacks I just mentioned you. It's it's fun to
watch his tape because of how he plays the game
because his dad played in the NFL. His dad was alignment.
He was hot, right, Yeah, So I'm done stuff. Sorry,
I was way too long of a dietary out in.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Ipola's great, and you've brought it up a bunch of
times before, and it's like when you see people complain
about it, and you know, mel Kiper's throwing out these
different ideas, get rid of you know, the two safeties.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And all, it's not it, well, it's not it.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Like I just remember back in the day, it was like,
all right, if you want to make people respect and
get their respect, run the ball, establish the run, and
that way it'll open up the pass. It just seemed
simple back in the day. That's what it was like.
If you want to if you want play action to work,
if you want to have something down the field, establish
something in the trenches, so you make those safeties have
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to come up and have to play the run and
that way to open things up. And it's like now
there's just no emphasis on that. There's just.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That yaho, are you coached? So let me ask you
this and and and you've I'm sure you've been on
the offensive side of the ball, so you've seen this.
Like if I was to asking what's harder, what's harder
to install and execute a running play or a pass play?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Uh, it's well, it's that depens It is certainly from
the progression and getting everybody on the same page is
probably the past.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Okay, So I would say from an offensive perspective, it's
a run play, you need more people to execute properly
in order to be able to get it right. Yeah,
in a pass play, outside of having a little bit
of protection, as long as one guy runs this route right,
you can throw a completion. All the four ELGEB receivers
could mess up and it wouldn't matter. Like only that
one guy and that quarterback have to be able to
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do it right. And that's one of the reasons why
offense has gotten so far from like hammering down on
all these different run concepts and teaching it because it
takes time and it's boring. Like, no one wants to
watch the handoff and run inside zone, outside zone, different power,
you know, power counter schemes and traps and different man.
I mean, no one wants to watch that and practice
it because.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
That is complex.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But my only pushback on that would be in a
pass play, you have to know who you're blocking, like
you get and you have to make sure.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
That I mean, come on, like that's not complicated, like
it's like for forever in the NFL, like some Man
of the West Coast teams have been like two jet
three jet right, and so.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It only takes one person to come for if you don't,
if you don't, yes, execution protection, yes, but here's.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The only thing I'll say is as long as you
get the football off before he gets there the matter.
I promise you when I hand off, if the front
side guard tackle misses their block, that bring plays pretty
much over.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Conceptually, what you're saying is correct in real time with
players Like I coached high school kids, so I don't
know what it's like at the college level or at
the pro level, but in the high school level, that's complicated.
It's actually, I'll say, I'll offer this, it's actually complicated
to get guys to count from the boundary one two three,
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not like think about that. It's hard to get them
to apply just being able through what it is that
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
To say, by the way, that concept you're saying about
pass protection, it's the same thing for run block. Yeah,
it's gonna be hard for them to identify who it is,
especially if there's a shift and all that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yes, yes, uh yeah, but it's a it's it's time
consuming on on all fronts, I guess is the point.
And and it is a lot of repetition. And when
you get into the game and line start moving around
or linebacker walks up or safety walks up, different things
like that, you got to know who you're blocking because
it just takes one person on the defensive side reading
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it correctly for the play to get totally jacked up.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Absolutely, Who would you guys say right now should be
not who's going to be, but should be Rookie of
the Year in the NFL right now?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Joe? Joe? All I mean for August played really well
too for the Saints, But I would say Joe all' spin.
By the way, I I have to admit this publicly too,
because Pete Presco comes all this on Tuesdays. I know
it's not Tuesday. But Rick Spielman, the former general manager
for the Minnesota Vikas, uh, we would go over a
lot lot of different draft prospects and comps and and
I hate comps. He hates comps. But he walked in
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studio one time and he said, both to Pete and I,
Joe Alt my conference is Jonathan Ogden. And I was like, okay,
like I remember Ogden, like LaVar, you remember Augden.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I'm not going to touch that one, Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So so here's the thing is I said the exact
same thing to Rick. I said, I'm not going to
go there. That's like super super, such high praise. That's
gonna be hard for any player to live up to that.
And I will say, through two games in the NFL,
that is quite possibly the next Jonathan Ogden. I mean,
and it's look, I I realized he's a right tackle,
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and it's it's a lot of high praise, but he's
they're both six foot nine. Ogden was a little thicker
but all probably by the time he's all said done,
who's around three twenty five will probably be on three
thirty three thirty five. Like there's a lot of similarities there. Man,
I'm just saying like he was dead on I you know,
was skeptical, but and I have a lot of tape
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on all. It's just it was hard to see it
until you got the NFL NFL level. Now you're like, oh, yeah,
you pretty much shut down Max Crosby.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Like first game as an NFL player gets Max Crosby
and was outstanding like and and he just won't even
be in consideration for the award, like not even and
he probably we're looking at a guy.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
You don't think if the charges like win the AFC
West and they're running the crap out of the ball,
you don't think.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
So no, I don't think. I don't think it on Lineman,
did uh? Why am I blanket on his name from?
Did Quentin Nelson? Did he get any consideration for Rookie
of the Year.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He probably it's probably even harder because he's a guard.
But it's a good point.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I mean, yeah, it's bringing back the live baby. By
the way, Bell kayper, what's wrong with defense? You know,
getting a little bit of love. All right, maybe the defense.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's the weird thing for ours. No one gives defense credit.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Tired.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
There's some explanation connected to that too, but I know
we're up on it, you know what I mean. But yeah,
I mean your explanation from from the offensive perspective of
it and how the view point vantage point of it
from the defensive side, there's there's I mean, just super quick.
I know we got break, but just super quick. You
look at seven on seven culture, athletes that were playing
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defensive end, playing linebacker are now playing cornerback and playing
playing safety positions, and they're playing it from youth on up.
So it's changed like the evolution of it like I
saw it with Sean Taylor. You know, the guys that
could play linebacker are playing safety. Guys that could play
safety are playing playing corner So it's like the evolution
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of athletes and where they're playing. Like everybody used to
want to play running back, Well, now they're moving to
different positions.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Can give you an example of that. You know Greg Ruiso,
the defensive end for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, absolutely, he
played safety and wide receiver in high school and then
converted to a defensive end when he went to the
University of Miami and now he's one of the better
edge rushers after being a first round pick to the NFL.
And it's because they have a different type of wiggle
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than what a traditional defensive lineman would have. They have
a different type of movement than what a traditional linebacker
would have. So now you have guys that can play
with that type of movement and they're closer to the
ball or they're off.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
But they're all there like you're not. You're almost playing
in a nickel and dime and penny set every single
time you're out there on the field. And that didn't
used to be what it was. So it's like an
evolution as well in terms of what is important to
the defenses and where you're playing, you know, and that
makes a major it makes a major difference. It's a
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major difference.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
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Speaker 5 (25:10):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Here on Fox
Sports Radio, we are going to have our picks against
the spread as we get you set for Week three
in the NFL. That'll be yours here about twelve minutes
from now. So for anybody out there that's like, man,
I'm sick of the Mannings, I'm tired of this crack.
Why would you Why I'm just saying a lot of
haters out there, step right up.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Because they're going to have one's gonna be planned for
a while.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, except this one's got speed, this one's got mobility.
Arch Manning, you take center stage. First career start coming
up this weekend against Louisiana Monroe. I mean, Quinn Ewers
was in the Heisman Trophy discussion and now it appears
that you know that'll simmer down a little bit cam
Ward's getting all the love, but arch Manning's going to
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get an opportunity to showcase his skill set. By the
way he was clocked, all right, this is a big
win for Brady and I. He was clocked at top
speed faster this past week than Tyreek Hill has been
all year long. What do you think about that far
that Jonas?
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Is that really?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Did you put that in your Noah Lyles pipe and
smoke it?
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I wonder if no one knows his name, if he
knows arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Oh my gosh, I'm with it.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I'm a Manning fan, so it's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm alright with this. You do know what you just
said out your mouth right now, but I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Here's here. Here's the thing about arts though, in all seriousness,
he's a much better athlete than I think most people realize.
He you know, was a good basketball player in high school.
But when you see him take off and run, you're like, okay,
it feels different than Peyton and Eli and and look,
Eli was a good athlete, as was Peyton, especially when
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Peyton first got in the NFL. I think I think
our recollection of Peyton is always like at the wide
of scrimmage playing from the pocket. You know, Eli and
Payton were so good at that portion of it because
that's how they stayed healthy. They realized that when you
get outside the pocket and all that, that's where danger comes,
with a lot of people like LeVar trying to take
your head off. So they learned to play from the
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pocket and stay in the pocket get the ball of
their hand quick. Arch though, has come into the game
of football in an era where you have to have mobility,
and he does. You know, he ripped off a nice
long run. He's got the arm strength, he's got the
arm talent ability. He had a couple of really nice throws,
in particular one last week, rolling to his left, which
is hard to do, and flip the hips around, you know,
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and through probably a forty forty five yard ball downfield
for a nice completion. So I'm excited to see what
he's capable of doing. Because this Texas team is one
of the best in college football. I think most people
would be concerned when you've got a team that's on
the cusp of being a you know, maybe SEC champ,
you know, college football playoff bound, losing their arting quarterback
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like Quinn yours as Jonas, who pointed out he's been
talked about for the Heisman, but then you've got a
guy who's one of the top in the class waiting
in the wings, and he's looked the part so far
with the opportunities he's gotten. So, uh, look, Louisiana Monroe
is two and oh they're a good program. I believe
they might be coming off a buye too, if I'm
if I'm not mistaken on their schedule, so you know,
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they've they've they've had a little time to prepare for this,
so it's gonna be interesting to see if Texas can
just overwhelm them with much better talent, or if Louisiana
Monroe is going to have some sort of little scheme
and game plan set up where they can make it
at least early on difficult for Arch not knowing you know,
how long is it going to be their starting quarterback
before quinn Ewers comes back.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I think it's a great game for Arch to get
his first start.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, if you were talking that like this was
like a big, big, big game and he's getting his
first start, I think that that's, Uh, there's a lot
more at stake, right, Like things could go so bad.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I just feel like this is a safe like this,
this this team that they're playing, this opponent that they're playing,
it's a safe start. It's a safe place to really
begin if you take place.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I'm telling you, Louisian Monroe is better than you think.
Man will surprise you.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, I just watched the Bowling Green try to take
it to us and win NB Stadium. But yeah, yeah,
I mean tomato, tomato. I don't care less about what it's.
It's a lot, That's what I'm saying. It's like the
sun the Sun Belt hits different. I'm telling you, like,
they got some sneaky good teams in there.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And I just I'm just saying that it could be
like a slow start.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
But if it's against Alabama, that's still different than Louisiana.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
What are they Lafayette Tech? What what are they going?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Monroe? There?
Speaker 6 (29:46):
You go? Never heard of them? And and and the
idea of it to me is that I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But I know them now because you brought them up
and you hyped them up, so good good for them.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I know them now. But and I really don't know him.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I just know the name of it, and I probably
won't even remember it until I see the game or
see the score of the game. Now, if they win,
then it makes you look like you know that it's amazing,
and that's great for them, and they did what they
needed to do, and that isn't great for Arch.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
If they were to win, and they do, they have
a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
They've got a chance. They're playing. I don't think they're
going to win. I think they can even close for
a quarter or a half.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Forty four point underdogs are ulm.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I think it's more about the style in which he
wins this game and plays this game versus anything else.
If if he doesn't play at a level where it
says this is like this is what it's supposed to
look like, this is like your brag adocious you're happy
about what Arch did? I think that it's it's kind
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of you know, I don't know. I think you're you're
still like, where's yours? When is he coming back? But
if he if he handles his business against a team
like that, then you feel as though there's and I
mean tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like
then there's confidence saying that once we get into our
conference play that we can win with Arch and maybe
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you don't even look back.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
You never turn back, and he stays as your starter.
But I feel like if he.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Struggles in a game like this, then that that raises
questions in terms of what he can do for them
long term. He I mean, for what is worth. He
wasn't starting for a reason, whether he was beat out or.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
A first round pick. Well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I mean, but when you're at top programs, you're gonna
have top prospects for the next level, at least on
the nils in transfer portal. Maybe not as deep, but
at least at the second position. I mean, I don't
know what Arch projects as, but I would assume.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
He projects to be a first round pick.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
And so there you go. That's so. That's so. All
I'm saying is is that he didn't. He did not
win the job. Whether it was seniority, whether.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It wasn't a qubu competition though, but there should always
be a competition.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Like would you accept that? Would you accept that? Would anybody?
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I'm not the coach of Texas. I'm just telling you
what Steve Syracusan said. It sounds like you're not up
to date on anything in Texas. That's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, well, I'm just looking at it from a practical
standpoint in terms of if you're a guy, you come in,
you're top prospect, You're.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, but if the coach is like, hey, Quinn's our starter,
we want you to continue to keep developing. You know,
if you need to go in, we got you. But like,
Quinn's our guy. Like that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
That I mean, it is different, but that doesn't change
q Like, that doesn't change.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Competition is competition.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But you don't got to convince me. I'm just telling
you what happened in Austin. That's all.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm not I don't know that we're I mean, it's like,
I'm not debating you. I'm just saying in general, if
I come in as a top top guy, and I
had that type of and.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
They were having that conversation last year.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Last year, they were having this conversation about when is
arch want to get in, when is he going to
play or can he win the position? Like so whatever
Sarkisan says, he says, but at the end of the day,
it's the results that are going to pay dividends, right, Like,
if Quin yours gets in there and he's not doing well,
You're going to try to figure out do I bring
Arch in or do I work through this with Quinn yours?
(33:17):
Like if Arch Manning continues to play well, how long
is yours out for?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
He's out for abdominal injury.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
We don't know, questionable this week.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
So I mean, just depending on how long he's out for.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
If Arch plays well and he gets into a big
game and he plays well, do you bring Quin yours
back in? Is that not a question? Or it's like, hey,
Quen yours is our? Guy said this, I've already said.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
What's going on? Yours back in? Yeah, well there you go.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean that's I would say that that's by program,
and that's by coach, and that's by situation.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Like that's that's what I would say.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Maybe, But like Quinn's played really really well in big spots,
I mean, and he's led this team to a Big
twelve Championship College Football playoff. He came back. I could
have went to the NFL last year, chose to come back.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
So I added Jackson sang a song a long time ago.
It was called what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Dunne, Yeah, and he's been great so far. I just
blew out Michigan in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So he did blow out Michigan in Michigan. But if
yours is if Art is bawling and they get into
a big game and he's bawling in a big game,
I don't feel like that's an easy decision to make.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I really don't.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio coming up next here from the tire
rack dot Com Studios. It is their picks against the Spread.
We're going to tell you who we like in Week
three of the NFL. That's yours here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
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Speaker 5 (34:49):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
up top of next hour. We could have ourselves a
little bit of a quarterback controversy in the NFL. We
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We promise you it's time for.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
This five lines, not those kind of lines. Five picks,
five spreads, Time for picks against the spread?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
All right, Lee, what do we got?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
All right?
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Guys?
Speaker 10 (35:21):
Looking ahead to this week? It was a rough one
last week, it was another time between LaVar and Jonas.
Good job you, guys, three and two. I won't mention
how you did Brady.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Last week on that one, but looking at it, a
good one.
Speaker 10 (35:32):
No, not a good one at all, buddy, I'm sorry,
but we can make up for st.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'll never highlighted the three and one from last nightly.
That's just I got it for you, but I'll uh,
I got it for you. I haven't ready for you.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
But moving on we have.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Ah.
Speaker 10 (35:45):
We got a good game at on Fox. Eagles at Saints.
Saints are three point favorites on the road at home.
Excuse me, Eagles at Saint Saints three point favorite.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I'll take Philly.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Wait, Eagles versus the Saints. They're at home, Saints are home. Okay,
some Eagles at Sense and then Eagles are three point favorite.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Saints are Saints are three point favorites at I'll.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Lay the three of the Saints.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Eagles are going win straight up.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Money line, money line, money line.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Next up, we got the Eddie Garcia Bowl. Chargers at Steelers.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Steelers are a point and a half favorite at home.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Both teams are.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Two and zero. Oh Man, Still, there's a cover. We
don't know about Herbert doing. Now, could the easton stick?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I'll take the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I'm gonna take the Steelers. I'm worried about Herbert not playing.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
Still is a couple banged up teams on the West Coast.
Niners at Rams. Niners are six and a half point
favorites on the road.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Rams getting too many points.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna do with the Niners. Matt so fishy,
there's gotta be something to that.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
And Barr, you said you were taking the We're taking
the Rams with the points.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Yeah, all right, guys too.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Afternoon game here as well. Ravens at Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Ravens are a point favorite.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
On the Dallas maybe laying with Baltimore.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
Lastly, Sunday Night Football, Chiefs are three point favorites at Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I'm laying the three of the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
I'll take Atlanta. Kirk Cousins bounces back again. In prime time,
proven all you haters, get all chiefs on cover. Yeah,
that's a love it and that's our thanks against the scratch.
Could you just tell how confident I was this week.
It's a new week. I'm gonna go five and oh
Knox
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