September 23, 2024 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Chiefs find a way to win vs the Falcons on SNF. Jerry Jones gives too many measurements about players on the team. The Cowboys defense continues to struggle. Sam Darnold is dealing better than anyone in the NFC and LaFleur finds creativity with Malik Willis.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arings, rading Win and Jonas Knots on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel here on a Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Woo?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I mean, there are several games are going to get
to that. I don't think anybody saw happening the way
that they did. But the one thing you can count
on in the NFL, at least over the last handful
of games, the damn Kansas City Chiefs win close games all.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Right, and it is all on the up and up right.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
There's no shady officiating, there's no complaining about the officiating.
The Kansas City Chiefs in close games are going to
figure out a way to win those games.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Is Chris collins Worth undercover curmudgeon? What is he like
the most positive curmudgeon?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Like?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Is he developing into a curmudgeon? What did he do?
I guess, can we do this?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Like?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What would that sound like? What would that be?
Speaker 6 (01:00):
Like?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Jonas?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I mean, I get the call, but I mean like
I just don't like it.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
He seemed like he just I don't know, he's doing
his job. I guess he's said by at what point
he was like, yeah, they're taking a lot from me.
They've taken a lot from me. He just got a
new deal, didn't he.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I used to.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I used to do the numbering in the counting of
the players like he does, like real low key complaining.
If you if you were like I was listening to you,
I was like, dang, great.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
They took his counter off his telestrator.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
No, he's not allowed to use the counter anymore, like
to count the men on the field.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Man, I already told you all. I had an issue
with that one time in Texas. That was that was
not good.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh yeah, and you got the heat for that too, yeah, which.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Well, I didn't help Joe Davis throw me under the bus, which,
trust me, I could throw some stuff right back. But
essentially what happened was I started to use the counter
because there was a hail Mary attempt and the counter
at times it doesn't work because it's a touchscreen, but
for whatever reason, like if you use your finger or
(02:12):
even a stylus is what they call a little pen,
it won't always work or it will like count double.
Well in this case, it counted double. And the unfortunate
part was we're on TV and they usually don't use
what's on TV on the jumbo tron in the stadium. Well,
in this case, because there was a review, they happened
(02:34):
to put what I was doing on the telestrator on
the jumbo tron. So all you see is like this
little market that says twelve, and I'm saying on TV
like this didn't work, let me erase this and redo this,
And so they keep up on the jumbo tron this
counter that shows twelve little circles, even though there was
(02:57):
the point I was trying to make was there was
only ten players, and it became this whole confusion. People
were set and fired up, and come to find out
they they actually played the Hail Mary with I.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Thought you might have pad something up on there that
you had illustrated that you do.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Tell dogs.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, that would have been way way worse. Story though.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I was just talking about this with AJ last night,
because you know, he used to call games and we
used We were talking about how it blowouts.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You know, you kind of talk about whatever you want.
You can talk more storylines.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And he's like, man, I'm just you know, sometimes you
know you're up through the telestrat you drawsty things up
there too, hot, like no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Know if that's that's not something I want as poor
of my resume.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
He got caught up about two, two, three times though,
one doing the like response for what he was what
he was trying to talk about, and it just didn't happen.
It was like like, well, let's try it again. Yeah,
can tell he was getting frustrated.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Oh bro. The one time he just stopped, like just stopped.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Like that.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Look, it was so.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Awkward, like he started to talk and then it didn't
go and he was like. I was like, dang, Like
he he didn't seem like he was happy last night.
I don't know. Maybe that was it kind of took
my attention away for watching the game a little bit.
Like I'm watching the game, of course, but it was like, dang,
(04:29):
I was like, I've listened to Chrystal a long time.
I was like, it just didn't seem like he was happy.
Oh no, it's just a takeaway. It was kind of
takeaway from watching the game. I mean, I thought the
game was pretty entertaining. Obviously, it looked like the Falcons
had it figured out until they didn't.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, the end of that first half was wild. It's
just everybody was giving the ball back and forth and
nobody could figure it out, and then you know they
had an opportunity at the end. Kansas City, as we mentioned,
pulls it out like they usually do and wins a
close game. Patrick Mahomes, though afterwards not happy, not all
that thrilled with the way the team is playing right now.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
We haven't played good. I mean really all three games
we've been able to win. I mean that speaks to
the character of the team, the grid, how we've been
in these situations before. But I'll speak especially offensively, and
me myself, I feel like I haven't played very well,
and that's not a stats thing. I just feel like
I'm missing opportunities whenever they're out there and not throwing
the ball in the exact spot I want it to
(05:31):
be yet, so it's about me getting back to my fundamentals,
putting our guys in the right position, and then we
got to execute at a higher level offensively. If teams
are gonna make us drive the field, we have to
prove that we're able to do that, and I'm sure
we'll get a lot of the same this next week.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
With the Chargers not satisfied, that's those Kansas City Chiefs
not satisfied, and look for anybody out there that wants
to continue to go down the road of officiating.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Whatnot. Listen, it's a Jonas, It's a.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Four phase football game, face, mass, offense, defense, tea, and officiating,
all right, and they are the best in the league,
and all of them apparently.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So we were often running with him Jonas, I'm not listen.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I you know, I don't want to go down the
conspiracy of the nflor to hear you let us here.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
You want to just do it.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It does appear like they get away with some stuff,
you know, like there's some calls there, like the you know,
the PI on on Kyle Pitts that wasn't called. That
felt like that was kind of a gimme for whatever reason,
they didn't call it. And then Atlanta followed it up
by on fourth and inches running whatever that play was
to be Jon Robinson that was not well blocked and
(06:44):
then he got tackled and stopped. So it was almost
like that got overshadowed by the play call. Raheem Morris,
the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
They they tried to.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Get him to discuss the p I call, but he
cares about his his pocket, and he cares about his wallet.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
They didn't see the passing affairs.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
It looked like it was clearly passing affairs on the replay.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I like my money. Let I like my money. What
Arthur Blank gives me? You don't have to get that.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 9 (07:16):
Very smart enough to be aware enough to talk about officials.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They made the call or they didn't make the call.
It is what it is. We got to we had
a chance to win the football game. When the last
play the game.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Very well response. I thought, that's very well done. I
like my money.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Would they actually find him if he say yes.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yes, I mean he said it.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
We're saying like yes, jeez, do you understand how much
the NFL likes to find people.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I like my money.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
They like a whole department for it. Like seriously, no
doubt they.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Got people waiting to find Like.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
I tapped up one dude that I remember used to
be the uniform violation guy back in the NFL on
this Saturday.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I was like, oh man, I good to see you.
I was like, this dude used to try to find
everyone's at about Merton used to kill me and was
my dude.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
But that's what I'm saying, like doing thousands of dollars
every single game in the NFL, that's purely.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Devoted to the uniform. Five thousand dollars. Because my sock
wasn't pulled up high enough. Crazy's and that's just you. Yeah,
think about all the other players, all the other players.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Couldn't he tell you just to pull it up and not? Fine,
he did, he didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Here's a problem. Here's a problem. They do.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
They do, but there's times when like something will like
your sock will go down or whatever, whatever happens in
the game, they'll still send you a letter. If you
don't fix it, they'll still send.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You a letter. Then they go and double down on
you next week.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Like you do know, if you get this again, it
is doubled, and if you get it after that, it
is doubled. You do the man, it's crazy your sock,
Like I didn't want to wear my sock this way.
They made some ugly socks back then. It was hard
to try to find your swag, your splash. It was
(09:04):
hard they're gonna find you.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Imagine coming in the NFL with the Browns though, like something.
It's just hard enough to make those colors work man. Yeah, yeah, look,
I love my brows I grew up for.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I'm saying, like anyone in there, be guys, it's as
ugly as their season is.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Looking Halloween every Sunday. We'll get to them.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You guys sold.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You guys have an issue with the play calling fourth
and inches?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
What do you want to run speed options? So you
want to Bears fan?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Good god?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You want?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What the hell was that?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Speaking of? They're orange too? They have an orange in there.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, same color as vomit. They got problems, man, They're
not good. I mean, I don't know which one of
you guys said they.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Were going to be a playoff, but you want to
be I.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Said they were going to be a super Bowl contender.
You guys did. They were going to stink. But it's
all right, you know, I'm a stand on it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
That's just yeah, not great.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm a stand all on that.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I Mean, here's the thing is, we'll just let's just
be open about this. We all got a little caught
up in our hearts, not our heads about teams that
we rooted for growing up.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
The only person that's winning on that front is yours truly.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
It's like you went with Pittsburgh Johns Chicago, I got
the roster with Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Got a little excited about that.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I mean it got testy about it, like, do not
question about what the Browns are going to do this season.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
They're going to a little testy.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I should have known it too, man, the hardened hawks
Jinks should.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Have known it.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I should have known it a little boot.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
That was not the fact that your offense a lot.
You've actually if you look at the team Belichick echoing this,
it's like they just spent a bunch of money on
the outside of wide receiver and draft capitol.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's like, yeah, maybe should have worked on the line.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
You know what I was thinking, Like total hypothetical, But
I do wonder if Joe Alt was available at nine,
would they have still taken Romadon.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Esda wasn't Olu available?
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Then?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, he was available, and that's why, Yeah, that's why
I'm thinking regardless, they still would have taken the wide receiver,
like they just.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
That's the problem is like you had a chance at Olu,
he didn't take Olu, man, and I was helping.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Out the Jets.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, definitely is so again Uh, the Atlanta Falcons fall primetime,
Kirk is gonna need a little bit more time.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
He won on Monday night, but they fall last night.
And the Kansas City Chiefs still sitting undefeated. And they
just like I said, keep winning close yep.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Because they were getting they were getting some work last night.
They look I gotta say, I know, we always talk
about the whole losing winning thing is they're a good loss,
bad loss. I tend to think that there is a
better way of losing than some other ways of losing.
I think that that loss yesterday for Atlanta says if
(12:13):
I'm Atlanta, if I'm Raheem and I'm talking to my team,
we could beat this team. We were in position to
beat this team. So and a loss, you still have
a win. Because you can lose a game. You'd be like, yeah,
they kicked our ass, Like yep, they were better than us.
Yeah we that ain't that. Ain't that ain't us right there?
Like new like, good luck to them. They they going
(12:37):
somewhere right I'm if I'm the Atlanta Falcons, I'm saying,
we know what we got in our backfield. Our quarterback
can deliver. We clean up a couple of things here
or there, but they look good.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I mean I don't.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I don't come away from that that game not saying
you know what, I'm laughing because Darnald is is doing
the mother thing in Minnesota. But still, if I'm Atlanta,
I feel like I made the right decision and I
think that this team is in position.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
To have a successful season.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
You were very, very competitive and at too. I guess
the discussion point of it all they could have should have,
would have could have won that game.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, they really could have won that game.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I always simply kind of go back to what Patrick
Mahomes talked about in regards to their level of play hasn't.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Been the cleanest, and I think.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
There's elements of frustration, but he's also voicing what we're
seeing out there. Like remember last week we ended up
with the whole mel Kiper discussion of you know, taken
away covered to that whole, that whole thing. That's that's
the reality of where the NFL is at now defensively,
and and really the Chiefs have faced it for forever.
(14:00):
I mean Patrick Mahomes was seeing more soft, you know,
two shell coverage forever, and I think he's a bit
frustrated for a couple of reasons. One, even though they
revamped kind of the offense, bring in more speed, it
hasn't played out the way I think he was hoping
it was going to, meaning they were gonna be able
to bust open some of these plays, create big plays.
It hasn't worked out quite as well. Well, Hollywood Brown
(14:22):
hasn't been a part of it. I think once you
add him to Rice as well as Xac if you're worthy,
and then you got Kelsey as well, who Atlanta dioking
a good job of shutting down for the most part
in this game, especially in the first half. You know
things will start to open up for them. I truly
do believe that. But that's the difficulty is.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You know, every.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Quarterback is dealing with the fact that defenses have adjusted.
They're putting pressure on them to really methodically work the
ball down the field on a eight to twelve to
thirteen play drive. It's really hard to do that in
the NFL. You look at any you look at any
level of football right now, it's really hard to execute
(15:01):
consistently well, and let's say four to five times a
game on drives like that, it just doesn't happens unless
there's a huge gap in talent, like I kind of
witnessed that in high school football this past Friday night.
But the general point is, and you guys tell me,
we're all watching the games, how many times do you
(15:23):
see a team consistently go eight to nine, ten, eleven,
twelve plays for one, two, three, four, five different series.
You just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
See it.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
There's gonna be a you know, a big play, There's
gonna be some sort of turn that sets them up
on a short field.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Like those are the things that they need nowadays.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
That's where that's where the NFL is at, at this
point where football is at because the way defenses have adjusted,
and I think the way offense is too. You can
call it struggling somewhat, but a little bit of a disadvantage.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And I've won on my dietry.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
I'm not gonna do that about you know, the offensive
line and quarterback development and all that it looks.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I mean, I was paying attention a whole lot more
this weekend. It is very prevalent, even in college. It's
just very prevalent. Especially in college. It's very prevalent.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Man.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
You could literally pick apart like which teams. Like you
watch cam Ward at Miami, You're like, all right, like
that dude's doing it right, Like he's gonna dice up whoever.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
There might be some.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Struggle, but he's gonna figure it out. And that's kind
of how it is in the NFL. Like that, the
better ones like they they're pretty much gonna figure it out.
They're gonna make plays, they're gonna they're gonna do it
when it's all said and done.
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Speaker 2 (16:46):
So what were you saying?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Now we can go? Well as now we're done.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
As you might know, may or may not know, Jamie
Fox is a big Dallas Cowboys fan and he's he's
going yeah, and he's got a he's got a good
friendship with Jerry Jones. So he was practice not long ago.
And you know, of course you go on I G Live.
What do you do when you're hanging out with Jerry
watching the watching practice. Well, he did cut it off abruptly.
See if you can catch this.
Speaker 10 (17:11):
It's a little windy, but if you listen carefully, you
could hear Jerry praising the measurements of one of the
u of his players.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Take a listen, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
About show up?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I'm cher what you go?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Three inch old?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Eight and a half inch?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Dang?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
All right?
Speaker 11 (17:42):
I guess we know he's gazing Jerry gazing Jones in
amazement though, and giving it and giving it to Jamie
like what I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Paul, which okay, okay, So just take us through this, LeVar.
When Jerry makes that comment to Jamie, how is how
is that comment received? Q?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I don't you know what all of this Diddy stuff
going on right now?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I don't know. This is old though, this is old.
This is old. Yeah, I don't know, though.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I just don't know because the Diddy's open, but now
it's become new, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
So I was like, so you don't feel like you
can call on this this what's happening with p Diddy?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well, I just don't know. I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I don't know what the right response would be. I
would be weirded out by that. Well, I don't That's
my response to that is I'd be weirded out by that.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I don't think he was talking to Jamie Fox. I
think he was talking to somebody else and Jamie Fox
just happened to be filming.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I don't all I'm saying. If I was anywhere near
that conversation, no matter Spectator Digre a part of it,
I'm gonna feel weird it out bad. You're giving out
the measurements. I mean, how would that make you feel?
To like, there's my quarterback, that's Q right there.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
All right, we are we gonna do this right now,
We're gonna do this. That's Brady right there. I feel
like I.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Feel like like it's more joked about sometimes in the
locker room now, maybe with current.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Because everybody talks about measuring themselves, right like dudes talk about.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
WHOA Well, I wouldn't go in there, oh like growing up.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I feel like I feel like there's hold.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Out there hanging growing up. Dudes in high school. Don't
do that joke. Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Dudes be talking about measurements like they nobody's ever done that.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
No, I was not going that direction. I was gonna
I'll just all say it. Very someithing like this.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I feel like in the locker room, the white guys
will make more jokes about stuff, and the black guys
will not find it as funny.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I'll go ahead, just say it like that, right, tell me.
Speaker 12 (20:00):
Tell me I'm wrong, tell me you're not wrong, exactly right,
especially certain black dudes in the lock un like man
that ain't funny, like like like, you will get some
of those responses where that's just my experience.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
There's a few that you just can't get out of
the way of pause. I just can't get out of
the way of it. Like, hey, bru, like, can you
do what you're gonna do very quickly? Because you make
everybody un comfort it's this uncomfortable thing. It's uncomfortable thing.
There's a name, there's a few, there's a few names
that pop up.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah, well, you just you don't want to lose confidence,
so you gotta pick pick and shoes when you go
into show.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's all. Like, man, that's all I remember, pick and chooses.
I'm either gonna be earlier or late, but I'm not
gonna be somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
After I didn't play with this dude, but I would
throw one out at y'all.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm would throw I would throw one. Don't do it.
He's famous known for it. Though. When I was covering Washington.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
We were at Washington, and if you're out there, you
want to google this?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Oh no, bar Gafne old Giraffne.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Huh Hey no.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
The sausage, all right.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Lorena, that was that was not Lee, that was you, Lorena.
All right, we want everyone to know.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
All I would say is I was covering the team,
and that was like a running That was like a
running theme is he's faster than everybody.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
He's got a little extra horsepower, also better balance.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I mean, they said he had specially manufactured game pants
and can impressions.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It's all I'm gonna give y'all. Man, all right, I'm
not gonna partake in this as much. I really thought
we were gonna I really thought we're gonna go down.
Different instigated this. I instigated this.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
You wanted it, Jonas is who really wants you do anything?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Do not blame me on this. I didn't do anything here,
all right, Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
But back to Jerry. Jared was so confident in saying
the measurement.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Though he was sized up a lot, he was super
sure of the measurement.
Speaker 10 (22:33):
Five nine and a half two ten, four point four
four forty. There you got three inch hands. There you go,
that's your bar Gaffney eight and a half inch whatever.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Now post a picture of him running, a meme of
him running on on.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
The feet.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
We used to get calls about it. Oh man, I
used to call in.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
What is this?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Is this chipping Dale's or is this the Redskins now
known as the Commanders?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I mean, by the way, that was probably the most
appropriate thing you said, all segments the former name.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
The unfortunate part is this when you give out the height,
it automatically gives away kind of who the player is.
There's not what do you say, five nine five ten?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yeah, there's not too many other players who fit that description.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Is his dad a scout coach? There is? Is that
what I'm thinking of?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Okay, god, dude, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I feel like, you know, we've kind of narrowed down
who this is, but.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
You haven't that he's way shorter than that, Like that's
not even yeah five you think he's five nine and
a half two ten.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I was trying to compliment the guy.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I trust me, I know you are trying to do that.
I'm just saying, does the player you're thinking of do
you think he wasted two ten?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
H I have to look, I don't know. I just
you know, I'll be honest with you. I wasn't really
prepared for this topic time on the show. Yeah, it's
be truthful with you.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
But hey, hey, y'all think he would have did in
the Olympics this year. He might have stole the show off.
Another dude that that got the little offer you know
to Bean you just never do.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Not quite sure whole voting champ.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
All right, so you tell me.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
We want to be talking about Puzzo's we would different Puzzo.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well, listen, whoever that guy is, he's got no issues.
The Cowboys defense, on the other hand, they got problems
because man, they got up. If you think about it,
going back to the playoff game last year, like we're
looking at like three of the last four games they've
been chewed up. And it's not a DAK problem. Like
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and you saw it play out where you had Michaeh
Parsons and was it DeMarcus Lawrence discussing DAK can see
had their little issue as well too. But Michael Parsons
did talk afterwards about what the issue could be there
in Dallas.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
I think right now we got people just trying to
be Superman. People just got on their jobs. Bro, we
don't need everyone to be Superman. We don't need no
Superman's at all. We just need loving guys playing together.
And right now they're just not in Unison.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
How surprising was this?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I mean, when you're.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Preaching something all week, everyone is in the locker room saying,
we're going and do what we gotta do and everyone's
gonna be accountable. Then when you come out and we're
just like, how we're getting gassed. We're not being accountable,
We're not set right. They're just like the game, don't
come down to that third down. We do what we're
supposed to do, we win the game. It's just like,
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at what costs are we just gonna keep doing this
to ourselves?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I mean, the cost of your season? I thought that
they would. They don't fix it. It's the cost of
their season. I mean that.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
You know, Baltimore was kind of given that game away late,
but you can look at the score all you want.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Wasn't that they do what they They were down twenty
eighth to sixth for for fe like forever until.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
The fourth quarter they came back. That's why I don't.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I mean, it's not like it's not like they were
in control of that game at any point. At any
point they were they were, Yeah, they were constantly trying
to come back in that game. Like it was almost
reminiscent of what we saw in the playoff game last year.
They didn't show up and they were trying to come
back versus Green Bay like they they were never in
control of that game. I don't know what he's talking about,
Like you can feel confident going into a game, but
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at halftime, you can't tell me they were going, oh man,
we got them right when we want them, or this
is like, no, you got your tails. You know, stomped
on beat down. I mean the defense was you know,
Micah was fighting with DeMarcus Lawrence on the sidelines. I
mean they were frustrated. I mean, in the end, they
had an opportunity to come back, and credit to Dak
and the offense.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
But now it's gonna be.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Frustrating for the Cowboys because that was a game that
they really didn't show up out of the gate.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
All I'll say is you had two teams which I
would say early on in this this season, their seasons
are on the line. You got a winless, a winless
Ravens team. You have a what a one to one
Cowboys team. This just to me, this was your biggest
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game of the season so far, and it was a very,
very pivotal game for both teams. If you can't get
up for a game like this where you're at home
and you're against a zero to two team that you
know is a quality team, a quality opponent, and it
takes you until the end of the game with some
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some preer prier type you know, plays off of off
of an on side kick and stuff like that to
try to win.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Listen, games are one the way that they're won.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
So I don't I don't want to like say that
harp on the fact that Okay, you got an onside
kicked and that gave you an opportunity to get back
into the game further and then now turns into more
of a game.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I won't.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I won't go there, but I will say this, for
them to have been been handled the way that they
were for three quarters, I say, for three three real quarters,
right like three quarters the fourth quarter really was the
first quarter that they began to do anything show any
type of life. Three quarters, you allow yourselves to get spanked,
(28:40):
you get you getting stiffed armed, the famous Now he's
got another famous stiff arm that gets added to his resume.
Derrick Henry to me, I just that's alarming. If I'm
looking at this Dallas team, you're seeing inner inner squad bickering.
You're seeing a team that is not, as Mike ha said,
(29:02):
they're not in unison. They're not in sync. To me,
with all the talent they have and all the expectations
that they have on them, for them to come up
so short in the first three quarters, now, granted, maybe
you have a little positivity saying okay, they pulled it
together in the fourth and came back and almost pulled
it out, which would have been one of the most
(29:24):
epic fails for a Ravens team for certain, I just
you know, to me, I I have to be concerned.
If I'm Jerry Jones, I have to be concerned. If
if I'm Mike McCarthy, the coach of the team, I
gotta be concerned if this is my team.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Because you would just assume that they would respond, especially
after they got annihilated by New Orleans, like you would think, oh,
you're at home, you know, this is a chance to
kind of And it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Almost looked the same way.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
It almost looked like they were getting handled the same
exact way they got handled by New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So now it's not just what I tell you.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Now, it's not just oh, well, we had a bad week,
like no, you've had like seven and straight bad quarters.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Like like this is it doesn't look good.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And you know, Dak gets all the coverage and all
the conversation because he's the quarterback of the Cowboys and
blah blah blah. But man, like the defense and I
don't know if it's a Mike Zimmer thing, but they
got exposed in that playoff game against Green Bay. Now
they've gotten exposed a couple of times already early in
the season. It just feels like something right there with
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the Dallas Cowboys. And you know, if you're one of
those poor bastards who had the Cowboys plus one because
you believed in them bouncing.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Back, yeah, that would be you too.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
T's and p's, yeahs and psye and peace.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
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Speaker 2 (30:49):
I would like to just apologize.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
I just want to say this, and I want to
say sorry to our friends listening on the Yalla Horn
of the Twins.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yallo Horn.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
You didn't believe, man, you did not believe.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I Uh, Sam Darnold is the best quarterback in the
NFC right now. Yeah, right now, best quarterback in the
NFC right now.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And I picked him to finish dead last in that.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Dimate right now?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
What?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, yes you did.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I screwed that one up. He's awesome, He's been unbelievable and.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
You bought too much in the Chicago Bearsype problem.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Well, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean probably I got
held hostage by by all that. But they, I mean,
that's that's a really good football team right now and
playing with some real confidence like that was an asshoo. Yeah,
it was decisive too, like convincing what like by accident
(31:47):
you had a couple of your axes in town, Daniel Hunter,
you had step on and they're just out there slinging
it around and it does slinging them around, and it
doesn't seem like this is just you know, well he
got hot, you know, on a three game stretch. It
feels like there's some staying power now, Like with the
way that he's playing and Kevin O'Connell and what they've
(32:09):
got drawn up for him, feels like this is going
to be around for a little while when it comes
to the Vikings. So, yeah, I was wrong, absolutely wrong,
and I want to apologize.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Screw that. One. Defense gives them space and time.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Like Brian Flores, the way he's dialing up these these
defensive schemes and going at these these teams, he's he's
doing an excellent job. I mean, they're they're, they're they're
so impressive on defense right now, man, And and then
you have all those weapons on offense and you can't
really seem to get things going offensively against the Vikings.
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It just gives them more and more opportunities for big
plays to take place, and they get big plays on
that team.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
You talked about the revenge by that. I don't forget
about Jonathan Grenarden. He was a player who had what
like three sacks in that game former Texan as well.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I mean I'm just looking at at the situation.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I'm going, is this like a legitimate for Like they're,
you know, as it stands right now, best team in
the NFC North. And when you consider, yeah, I wouldn't
go that far. Why not I wouldn't go to Detroit.
Like we'll get into more divisional play. We'll see how
that shapes.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
But let's not go that far just because the overall record.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
They look good though, because.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
It's early, it's three games in the season, they look great.
They're going to be competing for the NFC North. But
that's but look at who they've played so far. I
mean it's the Giants. That's not really a formidable opponent,
you know, beat down with San Frana Houston good wins.
San Frano Houston a good wins. We just don't know
how they're going to shape up. We get to see it.
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I look at that this week going to Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, divisionally speaking, but listen there, I mean, to your defense,
they're in the discussion right Like, they're not out of
the discussion. They're in the discussion. I just wouldn't say
that they're like far and away this is the best
team in the NFC North, Like that.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
They're on pace to go seventeen and oh, I just
want to point that out.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Why do you make that face when I'm just like,
please make sure that this this part of the conversation sometimes. Man,
he looked at me with the goofy look too.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Like, watch what I'm about to say that I've seen
that too. He dies after like about three beers he hits.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
He hits that look too.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
He's going to get to see that. What you doing, man?
Maybe he might be too scared. You to be too scared. Man,
you guys got a good game this week. We do.
They won.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
I was watching them very closely because you were like saying,
and they're scary to me.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
They got due I'm telling you this quarter. He's good.
They got Pat Bryan's and Cari Franklin.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
They can make some plays like they got a weird mixture.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Not weird.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
They have a good mixture of some playmakers. They will
surprise you, man, I'm telling you, yeah, that Barry Loody,
the junior there, they're o c. He is creative, he's
good man. He likes to dial it up. It's nice,
it's fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
It's going to be a game. I ain't gonna say
that it's going to be a walk through. It's going
to be a game. For certain, it's Illinois, you know,
it's the ten. See what happens. But anyway, back to
the point, Yeah, Jonas, Jonas, let's go back to the point.
They're gonna go seventeen to know they're on pace.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I'm just that you're saying, Jonas, now you're the bottom up,
bottom of the Fantasy North down in your mind.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Now it's a seventeen to zero.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
What I'm saying is that the way Sam Darnold is
playing and how Kevin O'Connell has him set up for success,
same way justin Jefferson's playing, the way the defense is playing,
it feels like this is a year where that's going
to be a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I don't forget Aaron Jones. Now I told you about
after the three games.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Oh, I'm just after three games you're declaring player.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
That's why ask the question, is this staying power or.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Is this just yes, because their defense is playing well
and they have a running game, and they have a
passing game, they have a balanced attack. So is it sustainable? Yes,
it's sustainable, But what does that look like? I think
that still remains to be seen if that that's going
to happen.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
And let's be honest, Sat Donald's gonna have some bad
games too, right, He's gonna have some bad stretchers, bad games.
He hasn't really done that so far. He's played really well,
and kudos to him. This is I'm not like trying
to take a knock on him, but different qbs, different
players have different ceilings, different floors, and sometimes you get
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a big disparity between those two. Like we've talked about
that with Anthony Richardson. His ceiling might be as high
as anyone in the NFL, his floor might be as
low as anyone's too, right, right, But the reality is
as a player, you're always trying to tighten that and
you're trying to play closer to your ceiling more often.
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And that's the challenge for Sam Donald at this point
in time in his career. He knows this as well
as anyone. Every quarterback knows this. You just heard Patrick
Mahomes coming out when we began the first segment talking
about throws that he wasn't hitting throws.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He liked it.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
That's the best in the league right now, and he's
talking about you know, not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Being where he wants to be.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
That's where a lot of guys are this early in
the season, right, And that's just kind of how it works.
So I bet if we go back and look at preseason,
how much does Sam Donald play? He probably played for
a pretty decent amount in comparison, right, Yeah, I mean
so comparison to a lot of other starters.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
So he's kind of hit a hot start.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
What we're gonna need to see is they got a
big divisional game this week when that adversity does strike,
when he does have a bad game, does he you know,
block that out rebound or does he stay in a
funk for a period of time or can he get
out of it. So there's there's elements of that that
are still at play this season. There's a lot of
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football left to be played.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
What he hasn't had in the past that he has
now is a team. So if he does have one
of those floor you know, one of those floor games
where it just doesn't look good, there there are other
people on that team that can help on the offense
side of the ball, the defensive side. They can help
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alleviate some of the stress and some of the pressure
if he's not having one of those games, Really, all
he has to do is manage the games. He doesn't
even with all the arm talent that he has and
as good and as gifted as he is and can be,
he doesn't have to be anything more than a game
manager with the type of talent he has personnel wise
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on that team. So if he isn't having a great day,
hey bro, you don't have to win the game. You
just got to manage the game.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Now.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
If you dealing and you we have in one of
them days, then cook. But if you're not feeling good
and it's not, it ain't and ain't shaping up the
right way. They plan out the right way. The good
thing for him and his career this year is he
has a team that can actually pick up the slack.
He doesn't have to be the sole catalyst. That's the
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reason why they went at least that's the way it
looks right now.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Are you saying he didn't have that with the Jets?
Now the divisional matchup you guys are talking about it against,
Apparently they don't have that in Miami either. It looks
like it looks like Jordan Love does have a great
opportunity to come back for this game, he would.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Does he though, Well, why do we keep saying that
just a.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Well, I mean Matt Lafloor, I mean there's a little
you know, mixed messaging.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
You know, he doesn't want to give actual details.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think for him to heal up.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
And Matt Lafleur did sing the praises of Malik Willis
who went in to Tennessee his former team and got
it done yesterday for the Packers.
Speaker 13 (39:55):
I just cannot articulate the job that he's done and
this short period of time. People can't fathom it. I
promise you. You guys don't get it. I know you
think you got it, but you don't get it. What
he's been able to do is I've never seen something
like this.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Why don't Why when people get it, why can't we
get it?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Well, he got traded there, and he's got to learn
an entirely new offense. He's got thrust it into the
uh to learning it.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
I mean, I mean you get it then, because you
just explained to it, right, Why can't we get it?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I think.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Because all right, it's like me saying to you. It's
like me saying to you do you remember when like
you didn't get much sleep. You guys had your first
you know, infant. You're kind of going through all that
and you're like, oh, yeah, I get I get it,
but then explaining what it feels like to be sleep
deprived for like the next three months of your life.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
So he was going for effect, is what you're saying. No,
it's just I think you can get it. You can
get it without without it having ever.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
Really, it's like a difference between sympathizing and empathizing, right,
Like you could sympathy thighs or you can kind of
understand that degree, but like then to say you've experienced that,
it's like a whole different deal. So I think that's
partially what he's trying to portray, is it's really really
I'm telling you man, it'd be like tomorrow, it'd be
like tomorrow, LeVar, you're doing the entire show in Spanish. Yeah,
(41:16):
Well that's that's that's an essence what it's like to
run again.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
But then again, with the power as as Chris collins
Worth made it so clear last evening, with the power
of AI, I could do this entire show in Spanish.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
There you go.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
Potentially but it'd be difficult because like you'd have to
type some stuff out and have to translate.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Then you'd have to coct pre recorded man, you know
what I mean. I'm just I'm gonna type out the script.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
That's not possible because you don't know where Jonas is
going half the time.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, y'all want me to do it with y'all in Spanish? Yeah,
this show, this show tomorrow Spanish.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
All I would say is pokitoo, and then I like.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
But like learning a new office, you'll speaking a new language.
That's why it's it's kind of similar to that. So
it'd be difficult. And by the way, like decision making
with taking into account you know, a new offense and
all that, because you've been in different systems, Like the
hardest thing is always not second guessing yourself with whatever
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it is within that system, because you've got to play
fast when you're out there, and you got to think fast.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
That's the hardest thing.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
So it's it has been truly impressive to see what
he's been able to have efficient he's played for what
he's been asked to do.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Also, Matt Lafleur as well too, Like it seems like
when Rogers left, everyone just assumed.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Oh, he's going to get exposed.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
He was, you know, cashing in wins because he had
Rogers as his quarterback.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
He had it easy.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
And now like we've seen it with multiple quarterbacks and
he's having success in getting it done.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
So by the way, Laura, like remember when he was
in Tennessee. If he didn't get the Green Bay job,
I don't think he was going back as their offensive coordinator.
I mean when he got this job, it was I mean,
I don't know how many people know that, but it
wasn't like he was going to be back as their OC.
So to your point, Jonas, this was a huge moment
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of him kind of like proving himself. Like there's the
transition from Rogers to Love, Okay, Like maybe it's just
the talent of Jordan Love, the development of Jordan Love, not.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Of credit given there.
Speaker 6 (43:20):
Now you're going from Jordan Love to Malik Willis with
all those scenarios that Malik's got to deal with, but
also a different offense. I mean it looks different like
he's running some concepts of option and everything else that
you're saying this is creative, Like we don't see this every.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Given week, and it's it's challenge defense.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
That's one of the reasons why it's worked with Malik
Willis the last two weeks
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel here on a Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Woo?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I mean, there are several games are going to get
to that. I don't think anybody saw happening the way
that they did. But the one thing you can count
on in the NFL, at least over the last handful
of games, the damn Kansas City Chiefs win close games all.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Right, and it is all on the up and up right.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
There's no shady officiating, there's no complaining about the officiating.
The Kansas City Chiefs in close games are going to
figure out a way to win those games.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Is Chris collins Worth undercover curmudgeon? What is he like
the most positive curmudgeon?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Like?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Is he developing into a curmudgeon? What did he do?
I guess, can we do this?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Like?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What would that sound like? What would that be?
Speaker 6 (01:00):
Like?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Jonas?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I mean, I get the call, but I mean like
I just don't like it.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
He seemed like he just I don't know, he's doing
his job. I guess he's said by at what point
he was like, yeah, they're taking a lot from me.
They've taken a lot from me. He just got a
new deal, didn't he.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I used to.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I used to do the numbering in the counting of
the players like he does, like real low key complaining.
If you if you were like I was listening to you,
I was like, dang, great.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
They took his counter off his telestrator.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
No, he's not allowed to use the counter anymore, like
to count the men on the field.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Man, I already told you all. I had an issue
with that one time in Texas. That was that was
not good.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh yeah, and you got the heat for that too, yeah, which.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Well, I didn't help Joe Davis throw me under the bus, which,
trust me, I could throw some stuff right back. But
essentially what happened was I started to use the counter
because there was a hail Mary attempt and the counter
at times it doesn't work because it's a touchscreen, but
for whatever reason, like if you use your finger or
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even a stylus is what they call a little pen,
it won't always work or it will like count double.
Well in this case, it counted double. And the unfortunate
part was we're on TV and they usually don't use
what's on TV on the jumbo tron in the stadium. Well,
in this case, because there was a review, they happened
(02:34):
to put what I was doing on the telestrator on
the jumbo tron. So all you see is like this
little market that says twelve, and I'm saying on TV
like this didn't work, let me erase this and redo this,
And so they keep up on the jumbo tron this
counter that shows twelve little circles, even though there was
(02:57):
the point I was trying to make was there was
only ten players, and it became this whole confusion. People
were set and fired up, and come to find out
they they actually played the Hail Mary with I.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Thought you might have pad something up on there that
you had illustrated that you do.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Tell dogs.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, that would have been way way worse. Story though.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I was just talking about this with AJ last night,
because you know, he used to call games and we
used We were talking about how it blowouts.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You know, you kind of talk about whatever you want.
You can talk more storylines.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And he's like, man, I'm just you know, sometimes you
know you're up through the telestrat you drawsty things up
there too, hot, like no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Know if that's that's not something I want as poor
of my resume.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
He got caught up about two, two, three times though,
one doing the like response for what he was what
he was trying to talk about, and it just didn't happen.
It was like like, well, let's try it again. Yeah,
can tell he was getting frustrated.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Oh bro. The one time he just stopped, like just stopped.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Like that.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Look, it was so.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Awkward, like he started to talk and then it didn't
go and he was like. I was like, dang, Like
he he didn't seem like he was happy last night.
I don't know. Maybe that was it kind of took
my attention away for watching the game a little bit.
Like I'm watching the game, of course, but it was like, dang,
(04:29):
I was like, I've listened to Chrystal a long time.
I was like, it just didn't seem like he was happy.
Oh no, it's just a takeaway. It was kind of
takeaway from watching the game. I mean, I thought the
game was pretty entertaining. Obviously, it looked like the Falcons
had it figured out until they didn't.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, the end of that first half was wild. It's
just everybody was giving the ball back and forth and
nobody could figure it out, and then you know they
had an opportunity at the end. Kansas City, as we mentioned,
pulls it out like they usually do and wins a
close game. Patrick Mahomes, though afterwards not happy, not all
that thrilled with the way the team is playing right now.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
We haven't played good. I mean really all three games
we've been able to win. I mean that speaks to
the character of the team, the grid, how we've been
in these situations before. But I'll speak especially offensively, and
me myself, I feel like I haven't played very well,
and that's not a stats thing. I just feel like
I'm missing opportunities whenever they're out there and not throwing
the ball in the exact spot I want it to
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be yet, so it's about me getting back to my fundamentals,
putting our guys in the right position, and then we
got to execute at a higher level offensively. If teams
are gonna make us drive the field, we have to
prove that we're able to do that, and I'm sure
we'll get a lot of the same this next week.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
With the Chargers not satisfied, that's those Kansas City Chiefs
not satisfied, and look for anybody out there that wants
to continue to go down the road of officiating.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Whatnot. Listen, it's a Jonas, It's a.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Four phase football game, face, mass, offense, defense, tea, and officiating,
all right, and they are the best in the league,
and all of them apparently.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So we were often running with him Jonas, I'm not listen.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I you know, I don't want to go down the
conspiracy of the nflor to hear you let us here.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
You want to just do it.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It does appear like they get away with some stuff,
you know, like there's some calls there, like the you know,
the PI on on Kyle Pitts that wasn't called. That
felt like that was kind of a gimme for whatever reason,
they didn't call it. And then Atlanta followed it up
by on fourth and inches running whatever that play was
to be Jon Robinson that was not well blocked and
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then he got tackled and stopped. So it was almost
like that got overshadowed by the play call. Raheem Morris,
the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
They they tried to.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Get him to discuss the p I call, but he
cares about his his pocket, and he cares about his wallet.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
They didn't see the passing affairs.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
It looked like it was clearly passing affairs on the replay.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I like my money. Let I like my money. What
Arthur Blank gives me? You don't have to get that.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 9 (07:16):
Very smart enough to be aware enough to talk about officials.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They made the call or they didn't make the call.
It is what it is. We got to we had
a chance to win the football game. When the last
play the game.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Very well response. I thought, that's very well done. I
like my money.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Would they actually find him if he say yes.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yes, I mean he said it.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
We're saying like yes, jeez, do you understand how much
the NFL likes to find people.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I like my money.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
They like a whole department for it. Like seriously, no
doubt they.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Got people waiting to find Like.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
I tapped up one dude that I remember used to
be the uniform violation guy back in the NFL on
this Saturday.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I was like, oh man, I good to see you.
I was like, this dude used to try to find
everyone's at about Merton used to kill me and was
my dude.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
But that's what I'm saying, like doing thousands of dollars
every single game in the NFL, that's purely.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Devoted to the uniform. Five thousand dollars. Because my sock
wasn't pulled up high enough. Crazy's and that's just you. Yeah,
think about all the other players, all the other players.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Couldn't he tell you just to pull it up and not? Fine,
he did, he didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Here's a problem. Here's a problem. They do.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
They do, but there's times when like something will like
your sock will go down or whatever, whatever happens in
the game, they'll still send you a letter. If you
don't fix it, they'll still send.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You a letter. Then they go and double down on
you next week.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Like you do know, if you get this again, it
is doubled, and if you get it after that, it
is doubled. You do the man, it's crazy your sock,
Like I didn't want to wear my sock this way.
They made some ugly socks back then. It was hard
to try to find your swag, your splash. It was
(09:04):
hard they're gonna find you.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Imagine coming in the NFL with the Browns though, like something.
It's just hard enough to make those colors work man. Yeah, yeah, look,
I love my brows I grew up for.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I'm saying, like anyone in there, be guys, it's as
ugly as their season is.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Looking Halloween every Sunday. We'll get to them.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You guys sold.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You guys have an issue with the play calling fourth
and inches?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
What do you want to run speed options? So you
want to Bears fan?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Good god?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You want?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What the hell was that?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Speaking of? They're orange too? They have an orange in there.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, same color as vomit. They got problems, man, They're
not good. I mean, I don't know which one of
you guys said they.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Were going to be a playoff, but you want to
be I.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Said they were going to be a super Bowl contender.
You guys did. They were going to stink. But it's
all right, you know, I'm a stand on it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
That's just yeah, not great.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm a stand all on that.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I Mean, here's the thing is, we'll just let's just
be open about this. We all got a little caught
up in our hearts, not our heads about teams that
we rooted for growing up.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
The only person that's winning on that front is yours truly.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
It's like you went with Pittsburgh Johns Chicago, I got
the roster with Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Got a little excited about that.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I mean it got testy about it, like, do not
question about what the Browns are going to do this season.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
They're going to a little testy.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I should have known it too, man, the hardened hawks
Jinks should.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Have known it.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I should have known it a little boot.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
That was not the fact that your offense a lot.
You've actually if you look at the team Belichick echoing this,
it's like they just spent a bunch of money on
the outside of wide receiver and draft capitol.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's like, yeah, maybe should have worked on the line.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
You know what I was thinking, Like total hypothetical, But
I do wonder if Joe Alt was available at nine,
would they have still taken Romadon.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Esda wasn't Olu available?
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Then?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, he was available, and that's why, Yeah, that's why
I'm thinking regardless, they still would have taken the wide receiver,
like they just.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
That's the problem is like you had a chance at Olu,
he didn't take Olu, man, and I was helping.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Out the Jets.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, definitely is so again Uh, the Atlanta Falcons fall primetime,
Kirk is gonna need a little bit more time.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
He won on Monday night, but they fall last night.
And the Kansas City Chiefs still sitting undefeated. And they
just like I said, keep winning close yep.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Because they were getting they were getting some work last night.
They look I gotta say, I know, we always talk
about the whole losing winning thing is they're a good loss,
bad loss. I tend to think that there is a
better way of losing than some other ways of losing.
I think that that loss yesterday for Atlanta says if
(12:13):
I'm Atlanta, if I'm Raheem and I'm talking to my team,
we could beat this team. We were in position to
beat this team. So and a loss, you still have
a win. Because you can lose a game. You'd be like, yeah,
they kicked our ass, Like yep, they were better than us.
Yeah we that ain't that. Ain't that ain't us right there?
Like new like, good luck to them. They they going
(12:37):
somewhere right I'm if I'm the Atlanta Falcons, I'm saying,
we know what we got in our backfield. Our quarterback
can deliver. We clean up a couple of things here
or there, but they look good.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I mean I don't.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I don't come away from that that game not saying
you know what, I'm laughing because Darnald is is doing
the mother thing in Minnesota. But still, if I'm Atlanta,
I feel like I made the right decision and I
think that this team is in position.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
To have a successful season.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
You were very, very competitive and at too. I guess
the discussion point of it all they could have should have,
would have could have won that game.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, they really could have won that game.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I always simply kind of go back to what Patrick
Mahomes talked about in regards to their level of play hasn't.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Been the cleanest, and I think.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
There's elements of frustration, but he's also voicing what we're
seeing out there. Like remember last week we ended up
with the whole mel Kiper discussion of you know, taken
away covered to that whole, that whole thing. That's that's
the reality of where the NFL is at now defensively,
and and really the Chiefs have faced it for forever.
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I mean Patrick Mahomes was seeing more soft, you know,
two shell coverage forever, and I think he's a bit
frustrated for a couple of reasons. One, even though they
revamped kind of the offense, bring in more speed, it
hasn't played out the way I think he was hoping
it was going to, meaning they were gonna be able
to bust open some of these plays, create big plays.
It hasn't worked out quite as well. Well, Hollywood Brown
(14:22):
hasn't been a part of it. I think once you
add him to Rice as well as Xac if you're worthy,
and then you got Kelsey as well, who Atlanta dioking
a good job of shutting down for the most part
in this game, especially in the first half. You know
things will start to open up for them. I truly
do believe that. But that's the difficulty is.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You know, every.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Quarterback is dealing with the fact that defenses have adjusted.
They're putting pressure on them to really methodically work the
ball down the field on a eight to twelve to
thirteen play drive. It's really hard to do that in
the NFL. You look at any you look at any
level of football right now, it's really hard to execute
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consistently well, and let's say four to five times a
game on drives like that, it just doesn't happens unless
there's a huge gap in talent, like I kind of
witnessed that in high school football this past Friday night.
But the general point is, and you guys tell me,
we're all watching the games, how many times do you
(15:23):
see a team consistently go eight to nine, ten, eleven,
twelve plays for one, two, three, four, five different series.
You just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
See it.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
There's gonna be a you know, a big play, There's
gonna be some sort of turn that sets them up
on a short field.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Like those are the things that they need nowadays.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
That's where that's where the NFL is at, at this
point where football is at because the way defenses have adjusted,
and I think the way offense is too. You can
call it struggling somewhat, but a little bit of a disadvantage.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And I've won on my dietry.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
I'm not gonna do that about you know, the offensive
line and quarterback development and all that it looks.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I mean, I was paying attention a whole lot more
this weekend. It is very prevalent, even in college. It's
just very prevalent. Especially in college. It's very prevalent.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Man.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
You could literally pick apart like which teams. Like you
watch cam Ward at Miami, You're like, all right, like
that dude's doing it right, Like he's gonna dice up whoever.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
There might be some.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Struggle, but he's gonna figure it out. And that's kind
of how it is in the NFL. Like that, the
better ones like they they're pretty much gonna figure it out.
They're gonna make plays, they're gonna they're gonna do it
when it's all said and done.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
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Speaker 2 (16:46):
So what were you saying?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Now we can go? Well as now we're done.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
As you might know, may or may not know, Jamie
Fox is a big Dallas Cowboys fan and he's he's
going yeah, and he's got a he's got a good
friendship with Jerry Jones. So he was practice not long ago.
And you know, of course you go on I G Live.
What do you do when you're hanging out with Jerry
watching the watching practice. Well, he did cut it off abruptly.
See if you can catch this.
Speaker 10 (17:11):
It's a little windy, but if you listen carefully, you
could hear Jerry praising the measurements of one of the
u of his players.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Take a listen, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
About show up?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I'm cher what you go?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Three inch old?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Eight and a half inch?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Dang?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
All right?
Speaker 11 (17:42):
I guess we know he's gazing Jerry gazing Jones in
amazement though, and giving it and giving it to Jamie
like what I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Paul, which okay, okay, So just take us through this, LeVar.
When Jerry makes that comment to Jamie, how is how
is that comment received? Q?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I don't you know what all of this Diddy stuff
going on right now?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I don't know. This is old though, this is old.
This is old. Yeah, I don't know, though.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I just don't know because the Diddy's open, but now
it's become new, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
So I was like, so you don't feel like you
can call on this this what's happening with p Diddy?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well, I just don't know. I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I don't know what the right response would be. I
would be weirded out by that. Well, I don't That's
my response to that is I'd be weirded out by that.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I don't think he was talking to Jamie Fox. I
think he was talking to somebody else and Jamie Fox
just happened to be filming.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I don't all I'm saying. If I was anywhere near
that conversation, no matter Spectator Digre a part of it,
I'm gonna feel weird it out bad. You're giving out
the measurements. I mean, how would that make you feel?
To like, there's my quarterback, that's Q right there.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
All right, we are we gonna do this right now,
We're gonna do this. That's Brady right there. I feel
like I.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Feel like like it's more joked about sometimes in the
locker room now, maybe with current.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Because everybody talks about measuring themselves, right like dudes talk about.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
WHOA Well, I wouldn't go in there, oh like growing up.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I feel like I feel like there's hold.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Out there hanging growing up. Dudes in high school. Don't
do that joke. Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Dudes be talking about measurements like they nobody's ever done that.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
No, I was not going that direction. I was gonna
I'll just all say it. Very someithing like this.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I feel like in the locker room, the white guys
will make more jokes about stuff, and the black guys
will not find it as funny.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I'll go ahead, just say it like that, right, tell me.
Speaker 12 (20:00):
Tell me I'm wrong, tell me you're not wrong, exactly right,
especially certain black dudes in the lock un like man
that ain't funny, like like like, you will get some
of those responses where that's just my experience.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
There's a few that you just can't get out of
the way of pause. I just can't get out of
the way of it. Like, hey, bru, like, can you
do what you're gonna do very quickly? Because you make
everybody un comfort it's this uncomfortable thing. It's uncomfortable thing.
There's a name, there's a few, there's a few names
that pop up.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah, well, you just you don't want to lose confidence,
so you gotta pick pick and shoes when you go
into show.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's all. Like, man, that's all I remember, pick and chooses.
I'm either gonna be earlier or late, but I'm not
gonna be somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
After I didn't play with this dude, but I would
throw one out at y'all.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm would throw I would throw one. Don't do it.
He's famous known for it. Though. When I was covering Washington.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
We were at Washington, and if you're out there, you
want to google this?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Oh no, bar Gafne old Giraffne.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Huh Hey no.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
The sausage, all right.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Lorena, that was that was not Lee, that was you, Lorena.
All right, we want everyone to know.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
All I would say is I was covering the team,
and that was like a running That was like a
running theme is he's faster than everybody.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
He's got a little extra horsepower, also better balance.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I mean, they said he had specially manufactured game pants
and can impressions.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It's all I'm gonna give y'all. Man, all right, I'm
not gonna partake in this as much. I really thought
we were gonna I really thought we're gonna go down.
Different instigated this. I instigated this.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
You wanted it, Jonas is who really wants you do anything?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Do not blame me on this. I didn't do anything here,
all right, Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
But back to Jerry. Jared was so confident in saying
the measurement.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Though he was sized up a lot, he was super
sure of the measurement.
Speaker 10 (22:33):
Five nine and a half two ten, four point four
four forty. There you got three inch hands. There you go,
that's your bar Gaffney eight and a half inch whatever.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Now post a picture of him running, a meme of
him running on on.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
The feet.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
We used to get calls about it. Oh man, I
used to call in.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
What is this?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Is this chipping Dale's or is this the Redskins now
known as the Commanders?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I mean, by the way, that was probably the most
appropriate thing you said, all segments the former name.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
The unfortunate part is this when you give out the height,
it automatically gives away kind of who the player is.
There's not what do you say, five nine five ten?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yeah, there's not too many other players who fit that description.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Is his dad a scout coach? There is? Is that
what I'm thinking of?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Okay, god, dude, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I feel like, you know, we've kind of narrowed down
who this is, but.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
You haven't that he's way shorter than that, Like that's
not even yeah five you think he's five nine and
a half two ten.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I was trying to compliment the guy.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I trust me, I know you are trying to do that.
I'm just saying, does the player you're thinking of do
you think he wasted two ten?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
H I have to look, I don't know. I just
you know, I'll be honest with you. I wasn't really
prepared for this topic time on the show. Yeah, it's
be truthful with you.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
But hey, hey, y'all think he would have did in
the Olympics this year. He might have stole the show off.
Another dude that that got the little offer you know
to Bean you just never do.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Not quite sure whole voting champ.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
All right, so you tell me.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
We want to be talking about Puzzo's we would different Puzzo.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well, listen, whoever that guy is, he's got no issues.
The Cowboys defense, on the other hand, they got problems
because man, they got up. If you think about it,
going back to the playoff game last year, like we're
looking at like three of the last four games they've
been chewed up. And it's not a DAK problem. Like
(24:56):
and you saw it play out where you had Michaeh
Parsons and was it DeMarcus Lawrence discussing DAK can see
had their little issue as well too. But Michael Parsons
did talk afterwards about what the issue could be there
in Dallas.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
I think right now we got people just trying to
be Superman. People just got on their jobs. Bro, we
don't need everyone to be Superman. We don't need no
Superman's at all. We just need loving guys playing together.
And right now they're just not in Unison.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
How surprising was this?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I mean, when you're.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Preaching something all week, everyone is in the locker room saying,
we're going and do what we gotta do and everyone's
gonna be accountable. Then when you come out and we're
just like, how we're getting gassed. We're not being accountable,
We're not set right. They're just like the game, don't
come down to that third down. We do what we're
supposed to do, we win the game. It's just like,
(25:54):
at what costs are we just gonna keep doing this
to ourselves?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I mean, the cost of your season? I thought that
they would. They don't fix it. It's the cost of
their season. I mean that.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
You know, Baltimore was kind of given that game away late,
but you can look at the score all you want.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Wasn't that they do what they They were down twenty
eighth to sixth for for fe like forever until.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
The fourth quarter they came back. That's why I don't.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I mean, it's not like it's not like they were
in control of that game at any point. At any
point they were they were, Yeah, they were constantly trying
to come back in that game. Like it was almost
reminiscent of what we saw in the playoff game last year.
They didn't show up and they were trying to come
back versus Green Bay like they they were never in
control of that game. I don't know what he's talking about,
Like you can feel confident going into a game, but
(26:41):
at halftime, you can't tell me they were going, oh man,
we got them right when we want them, or this
is like, no, you got your tails. You know, stomped
on beat down. I mean the defense was you know,
Micah was fighting with DeMarcus Lawrence on the sidelines. I
mean they were frustrated. I mean, in the end, they
had an opportunity to come back, and credit to Dak
and the offense.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
But now it's gonna be.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Frustrating for the Cowboys because that was a game that
they really didn't show up out of the gate.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
All I'll say is you had two teams which I
would say early on in this this season, their seasons
are on the line. You got a winless, a winless
Ravens team. You have a what a one to one
Cowboys team. This just to me, this was your biggest
(27:33):
game of the season so far, and it was a very,
very pivotal game for both teams. If you can't get
up for a game like this where you're at home
and you're against a zero to two team that you
know is a quality team, a quality opponent, and it
takes you until the end of the game with some
(27:55):
some preer prier type you know, plays off of off
of an on side kick and stuff like that to
try to win.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Listen, games are one the way that they're won.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
So I don't I don't want to like say that
harp on the fact that Okay, you got an onside
kicked and that gave you an opportunity to get back
into the game further and then now turns into more
of a game.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I won't.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I won't go there, but I will say this, for
them to have been been handled the way that they
were for three quarters, I say, for three three real quarters,
right like three quarters the fourth quarter really was the
first quarter that they began to do anything show any
type of life. Three quarters, you allow yourselves to get spanked,
(28:40):
you get you getting stiffed armed, the famous Now he's
got another famous stiff arm that gets added to his resume.
Derrick Henry to me, I just that's alarming. If I'm
looking at this Dallas team, you're seeing inner inner squad bickering.
You're seeing a team that is not, as Mike ha said,
(29:02):
they're not in unison. They're not in sync. To me,
with all the talent they have and all the expectations
that they have on them, for them to come up
so short in the first three quarters, now, granted, maybe
you have a little positivity saying okay, they pulled it
together in the fourth and came back and almost pulled
it out, which would have been one of the most
(29:24):
epic fails for a Ravens team for certain, I just
you know, to me, I I have to be concerned.
If I'm Jerry Jones, I have to be concerned. If
if I'm Mike McCarthy, the coach of the team, I
gotta be concerned if this is my team.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Because you would just assume that they would respond, especially
after they got annihilated by New Orleans, like you would think, oh,
you're at home, you know, this is a chance to
kind of And it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Almost looked the same way.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
It almost looked like they were getting handled the same
exact way they got handled by New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So now it's not just what I tell you.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Now, it's not just oh, well, we had a bad week,
like no, you've had like seven and straight bad quarters.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Like like this is it doesn't look good.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And you know, Dak gets all the coverage and all
the conversation because he's the quarterback of the Cowboys and
blah blah blah. But man, like the defense and I
don't know if it's a Mike Zimmer thing, but they
got exposed in that playoff game against Green Bay. Now
they've gotten exposed a couple of times already early in
the season. It just feels like something right there with
(30:26):
the Dallas Cowboys. And you know, if you're one of
those poor bastards who had the Cowboys plus one because
you believed in them bouncing.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Back, yeah, that would be you too.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
T's and p's, yeahs and psye and peace.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
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Speaker 2 (30:49):
I would like to just apologize.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
I just want to say this, and I want to
say sorry to our friends listening on the Yalla Horn
of the Twins.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yallo Horn.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
You didn't believe, man, you did not believe.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I Uh, Sam Darnold is the best quarterback in the
NFC right now. Yeah, right now, best quarterback in the
NFC right now.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And I picked him to finish dead last in that.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Dimate right now?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
What?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, yes you did.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I screwed that one up. He's awesome, He's been unbelievable and.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
You bought too much in the Chicago Bearsype problem.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Well, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean probably I got
held hostage by by all that. But they, I mean,
that's that's a really good football team right now and
playing with some real confidence like that was an asshoo. Yeah,
it was decisive too, like convincing what like by accident
(31:47):
you had a couple of your axes in town, Daniel Hunter,
you had step on and they're just out there slinging
it around and it does slinging them around, and it
doesn't seem like this is just you know, well he
got hot, you know, on a three game stretch. It
feels like there's some staying power now, Like with the
way that he's playing and Kevin O'Connell and what they've
(32:09):
got drawn up for him, feels like this is going
to be around for a little while when it comes
to the Vikings. So, yeah, I was wrong, absolutely wrong,
and I want to apologize.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Screw that. One. Defense gives them space and time.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Like Brian Flores, the way he's dialing up these these
defensive schemes and going at these these teams, he's he's
doing an excellent job. I mean, they're they're, they're they're
so impressive on defense right now, man, And and then
you have all those weapons on offense and you can't
really seem to get things going offensively against the Vikings.
(32:45):
It just gives them more and more opportunities for big
plays to take place, and they get big plays on
that team.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
You talked about the revenge by that. I don't forget
about Jonathan Grenarden. He was a player who had what
like three sacks in that game former Texan as well.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I mean I'm just looking at at the situation.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I'm going, is this like a legitimate for Like they're,
you know, as it stands right now, best team in
the NFC North. And when you consider, yeah, I wouldn't
go that far. Why not I wouldn't go to Detroit.
Like we'll get into more divisional play. We'll see how
that shapes.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
But let's not go that far just because the overall record.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
They look good though, because.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
It's early, it's three games in the season, they look great.
They're going to be competing for the NFC North. But
that's but look at who they've played so far. I
mean it's the Giants. That's not really a formidable opponent,
you know, beat down with San Frana Houston good wins.
San Frano Houston a good wins. We just don't know
how they're going to shape up. We get to see it.
(33:51):
I look at that this week going to Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, divisionally speaking, but listen there, I mean, to your defense,
they're in the discussion right Like, they're not out of
the discussion. They're in the discussion. I just wouldn't say
that they're like far and away this is the best
team in the NFC North, Like that.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
They're on pace to go seventeen and oh, I just
want to point that out.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Why do you make that face when I'm just like,
please make sure that this this part of the conversation sometimes. Man,
he looked at me with the goofy look too.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Like, watch what I'm about to say that I've seen
that too. He dies after like about three beers he hits.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
He hits that look too.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
He's going to get to see that. What you doing, man?
Maybe he might be too scared. You to be too scared. Man,
you guys got a good game this week. We do.
They won.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
I was watching them very closely because you were like saying,
and they're scary to me.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
They got due I'm telling you this quarter. He's good.
They got Pat Bryan's and Cari Franklin.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
They can make some plays like they got a weird mixture.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Not weird.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
They have a good mixture of some playmakers. They will
surprise you, man, I'm telling you, yeah, that Barry Loody,
the junior there, they're o c. He is creative, he's
good man. He likes to dial it up. It's nice,
it's fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
It's going to be a game. I ain't gonna say
that it's going to be a walk through. It's going
to be a game. For certain, it's Illinois, you know,
it's the ten. See what happens. But anyway, back to
the point, Yeah, Jonas, Jonas, let's go back to the point.
They're gonna go seventeen to know they're on pace.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I'm just that you're saying, Jonas, now you're the bottom up,
bottom of the Fantasy North down in your mind.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Now it's a seventeen to zero.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
What I'm saying is that the way Sam Darnold is
playing and how Kevin O'Connell has him set up for success,
same way justin Jefferson's playing, the way the defense is playing,
it feels like this is a year where that's going
to be a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I don't forget Aaron Jones. Now I told you about
after the three games.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Oh, I'm just after three games you're declaring player.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
That's why ask the question, is this staying power or.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Is this just yes, because their defense is playing well
and they have a running game, and they have a
passing game, they have a balanced attack. So is it sustainable? Yes,
it's sustainable, But what does that look like? I think
that still remains to be seen if that that's going
to happen.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
And let's be honest, Sat Donald's gonna have some bad
games too, right, He's gonna have some bad stretchers, bad games.
He hasn't really done that so far. He's played really well,
and kudos to him. This is I'm not like trying
to take a knock on him, but different qbs, different
players have different ceilings, different floors, and sometimes you get
(36:40):
a big disparity between those two. Like we've talked about
that with Anthony Richardson. His ceiling might be as high
as anyone in the NFL, his floor might be as
low as anyone's too, right, right, But the reality is
as a player, you're always trying to tighten that and
you're trying to play closer to your ceiling more often.
(37:01):
And that's the challenge for Sam Donald at this point
in time in his career. He knows this as well
as anyone. Every quarterback knows this. You just heard Patrick
Mahomes coming out when we began the first segment talking
about throws that he wasn't hitting throws.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He liked it.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
That's the best in the league right now, and he's
talking about you know, not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Being where he wants to be.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
That's where a lot of guys are this early in
the season, right, And that's just kind of how it works.
So I bet if we go back and look at preseason,
how much does Sam Donald play? He probably played for
a pretty decent amount in comparison, right, Yeah, I mean
so comparison to a lot of other starters.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
So he's kind of hit a hot start.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
What we're gonna need to see is they got a
big divisional game this week when that adversity does strike,
when he does have a bad game, does he you know,
block that out rebound or does he stay in a
funk for a period of time or can he get
out of it. So there's there's elements of that that
are still at play this season. There's a lot of
(38:00):
football left to be played.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
What he hasn't had in the past that he has
now is a team. So if he does have one
of those floor you know, one of those floor games
where it just doesn't look good, there there are other
people on that team that can help on the offense
side of the ball, the defensive side. They can help
(38:22):
alleviate some of the stress and some of the pressure
if he's not having one of those games, Really, all
he has to do is manage the games. He doesn't
even with all the arm talent that he has and
as good and as gifted as he is and can be,
he doesn't have to be anything more than a game
manager with the type of talent he has personnel wise
(38:43):
on that team. So if he isn't having a great day,
hey bro, you don't have to win the game. You
just got to manage the game.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Now.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
If you dealing and you we have in one of
them days, then cook. But if you're not feeling good
and it's not, it ain't and ain't shaping up the
right way. They plan out the right way. The good
thing for him and his career this year is he
has a team that can actually pick up the slack.
He doesn't have to be the sole catalyst. That's the
(39:14):
reason why they went at least that's the way it
looks right now.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Are you saying he didn't have that with the Jets?
Now the divisional matchup you guys are talking about it against,
Apparently they don't have that in Miami either. It looks
like it looks like Jordan Love does have a great
opportunity to come back for this game, he would.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Does he though, Well, why do we keep saying that
just a.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Well, I mean Matt Lafloor, I mean there's a little
you know, mixed messaging.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
You know, he doesn't want to give actual details.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think for him to heal up.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
And Matt Lafleur did sing the praises of Malik Willis
who went in to Tennessee his former team and got
it done yesterday for the Packers.
Speaker 13 (39:55):
I just cannot articulate the job that he's done and
this short period of time. People can't fathom it. I
promise you. You guys don't get it. I know you
think you got it, but you don't get it. What
he's been able to do is I've never seen something
like this.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Why don't Why when people get it, why can't we
get it?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Well, he got traded there, and he's got to learn
an entirely new offense. He's got thrust it into the
uh to learning it.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
I mean, I mean you get it then, because you
just explained to it, right, Why can't we get it?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I think.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Because all right, it's like me saying to you. It's
like me saying to you do you remember when like
you didn't get much sleep. You guys had your first
you know, infant. You're kind of going through all that
and you're like, oh, yeah, I get I get it,
but then explaining what it feels like to be sleep
deprived for like the next three months of your life.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
So he was going for effect, is what you're saying. No,
it's just I think you can get it. You can
get it without without it having ever.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
Really, it's like a difference between sympathizing and empathizing, right,
Like you could sympathy thighs or you can kind of
understand that degree, but like then to say you've experienced that,
it's like a whole different deal. So I think that's
partially what he's trying to portray, is it's really really
I'm telling you man, it'd be like tomorrow, it'd be
like tomorrow, LeVar, you're doing the entire show in Spanish. Yeah,
(41:16):
Well that's that's that's an essence what it's like to
run again.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
But then again, with the power as as Chris collins
Worth made it so clear last evening, with the power
of AI, I could do this entire show in Spanish.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
There you go.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
Potentially but it'd be difficult because like you'd have to
type some stuff out and have to translate.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Then you'd have to coct pre recorded man, you know
what I mean. I'm just I'm gonna type out the script.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
That's not possible because you don't know where Jonas is
going half the time.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, y'all want me to do it with y'all in Spanish? Yeah,
this show, this show tomorrow Spanish.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
All I would say is pokitoo, and then I like.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
But like learning a new office, you'll speaking a new language.
That's why it's it's kind of similar to that. So
it'd be difficult. And by the way, like decision making
with taking into account you know, a new offense and
all that, because you've been in different systems, Like the
hardest thing is always not second guessing yourself with whatever
(42:21):
it is within that system, because you've got to play
fast when you're out there, and you got to think fast.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
That's the hardest thing.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
So it's it has been truly impressive to see what
he's been able to have efficient he's played for what
he's been asked to do.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Also, Matt Lafleur as well too, Like it seems like
when Rogers left, everyone just assumed.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Oh, he's going to get exposed.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
He was, you know, cashing in wins because he had
Rogers as his quarterback.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
He had it easy.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
And now like we've seen it with multiple quarterbacks and
he's having success in getting it done.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
So by the way, Laura, like remember when he was
in Tennessee. If he didn't get the Green Bay job,
I don't think he was going back as their offensive coordinator.
I mean when he got this job, it was I mean,
I don't know how many people know that, but it
wasn't like he was going to be back as their OC.
So to your point, Jonas, this was a huge moment
(43:09):
of him kind of like proving himself. Like there's the
transition from Rogers to Love, Okay, Like maybe it's just
the talent of Jordan Love, the development of Jordan Love, not.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Of credit given there.
Speaker 6 (43:20):
Now you're going from Jordan Love to Malik Willis with
all those scenarios that Malik's got to deal with, but
also a different offense. I mean it looks different like
he's running some concepts of option and everything else that
you're saying this is creative, Like we don't see this every.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Given week, and it's it's challenge defense.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
That's one of the reasons why it's worked with Malik
Willis the last two weeks
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