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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this football recap Monday, We're gonna look back
at Sunday's action in the NFL and there were some
weird results, weird finishes, and the same old, same old.
When it comes to the Kansas City Chiefs. We're also
going to talk about some major concern in Dallas, and
it isn't Dak Prescott. It's the other side of the ball.
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Sam Darnold is dealing best quarterback in the NFC right now,
we think so. We're also going to have another edition
of In case you missed it, We've got double Barrel
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
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Speaker 1 (01:04):
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in on a Monday morning? Whoo? I mean, there are
several games are gonna get to that. I don't think
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anybody saw happening the way that they did. But the
one thing you can count on in the NFL, at
least over the last handful of games, the damn Kansas
City Chiefs win close games all right, and it is
all on the up it up right. There's no shady officiating,
there's no complaining about the officiating. The Kansas City Chiefs
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in close games are going to figure out a way
to win those games.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Is Chris collins Worth undercover curmudgeon. What is he like
the most positive curmudgeon? Like is he developing into a curmudgeon?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
What did he do?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I guess, can we do this?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
What would that sound like? What would that be?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Jonas? I mean I get the call, but I mean
like I just don't like it. He seemed like he
just I don't know, he's doing his job.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I guess he's said by what point he was like, Yeah, they're.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Taking a lot from me. They've taken a lot from Dang.
I mean he just got a new deal, didn't he.
I used to I used to do the numbering in
the counting of the players like he does, like real
low key complaining. If you if you were like I
was listening to you, I was like, dang, they took
his counter off as telestrator. He's not allowed to use
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the counter anymore. Like count the men on the field.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Man, I already told you all. I had an issue
at that one time in Texas that was that was
not good.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh yeah, and you got the heat for that too, yeah, which,
well I didn't help.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Joe Davis threw me under the bus, which, trust me,
I could throw some stuff right back. But essentially, what
happened was I started to use the counter because there
was a hail Mary attempt, and the counter at times
it doesn't work because it's it's a touch screen, but
for whatever reason, like if you use your finger or
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even a stylus is what they call a little little pen,
it won't always work or it will like count double.
Well in this case, it counted double. And the unfortunate
part was we're on TV, and they usually don't use
what's on TV on the jumbo tron in the stadium. Well,
in this case, because there was a review, they happened
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to put what I was doing on the telestrator on
the jumbo tron. So all you see is like this
little market that says twelve, and I'm saying on TV
like this, this didn't work, let me erase this and
redo this, And so they keep up on the jumbo
tron this counter that shows twelve little circles, even though
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there was the point I was trying to make was
there was only ten players, and it became this whole
confusion people they set fired up and come to find
out they actually played the hail Mary with ten.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I thought you might have had something up on there
that you had illustrated that you do.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
The telestrator dog.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, that would have been way, way worse. Story though.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
I was just talking about this with AJ last night,
because you know, he used to call games and we
used to We were talking about how it blowouts. You know,
you can kind of talk about whatever you want, you
can talk more storylines, and he's like.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, man, I'm just you know, you're up through the
tall store. He draws some forty things up there too.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Hot. It's like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
If that's that's not something I want as part of
my resume.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
He got caught up about two two, three times though,
on doing the like response for what he was what
he was trying to talk about, and it just didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
It was like, like, well, let's try it again. Yeah,
you can tell he's getting frustrated. Oh bro. The one
time he just stopped, like just stopped like that. Look.
It was so awkward, like he started to talk and
then it didn't go and he was like.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I was like, dang, Like he he didn't seem like
he was happy last night. I don't know, maybe that
was it kind of took my attention away for watching
the game a little bit like I'm watching the game,
of course, but it was like, dang, I was like,
I've listened to Chris a long time. I was like,
it just didn't seem.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Like he was happy.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh no, just a takeaway. It was kind of takeaway
from watching the game. I mean, I thought the game
was pretty entertaining. Obviously, it looked like the Falcons had
it figured out until they didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, the end of that first half was wild. It's
just everywhere was giving the ball back and forth and
nobody could figure it out. And then you know, they
had an opportunity at the end. Kansas City, as we mentioned,
pulls it out like they usually do and wins a
close game. Patrick Mahomes, though afterwards not happy, not all
that thrilled with the way the team is playing right now.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
We haven't played good. I mean really all three games
we've been able to win. I mean that speaks to
the character of the team, the grid, how we've been
in these situations before. But I'll speak especially offensively and
me myself, I feel like I haven't played very well.
And that's not a stats thing. I just feel like
I'm missing opportunities whenever they're out there and not throwing
the ball in the exact spot I want it to
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be yet, so it's about me getting back to my fundamentals,
putting guys in the right position, and then we got
to execute at a higher level offensively. If teams are
going to make us drive the field, we have to
prove that we're able to do that. And I'm sure
we'll get a lot of the same this next week
with the Chargers not satisfied.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's those Kansas City chiefs not satisfied. And look for
anybody out there that wants to continue to go down
the road of officiating and whatnot. Listen, it's a it's
a four phase football game, offense, defense, special team, and officiating,
all right, and they are the best in the league,
and all of them apparently. So we were off running with.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Jonas.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I'm not listen. I you know, I don't want to
go down the conspiracy of the NFL to hear you
let us here.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
You want to just do it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
But it does appear like they get away with some stuff,
you know, like there's some calls that are like that,
you know, the p I on on Kyle Pitts that
wasn't called that felt like that was kind of a gimme.
For what ever reason, they didn't call it, and then
Atlanta followed it up by on fourth and inches running
whatever that play was to be Jon Robinson that was
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not well blocked and then he got tackled and stopped.
So it was almost like that got overshadowed by the
play call. Raheem Morris, the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.
They tried to get him to discuss the p I call,
but he cares about his in his pocket, and he
cares about his wallet. They didn't see the pass and affairs.
It looked like it was clearly passing affairs on the replay.
(08:31):
I like my money.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Let I like my money, Arthur banks me.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
You don't have to get that.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Very smart enough to be aware enough to talk about officials.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
True, they made the call or.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
They didn't make the call.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
We got to we had a chance to win the
football game, won the last play the.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Game very well response very I thought that's very well done.
I like my money. Would they actually find him if
he says yeah, I thought yes, Yeah, I wanted to.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I mean he said it.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
We're saying like yes, jeez, do you understand how much
the NFL likes to find people not like my money.
They got like a whole department for it, Like seriously,
no doubt they got people waiting to find. Like I
tapped up one dude that I remember used to be
the uniform violation guy back in the NFL on this Saturday.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I was like, oh, man, I goot to see.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I was like, this dude used to try to find everyone's.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Ass about Merton used to kill me and was my dude.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
But that's what I'm saying, like doing what thousands of
dollars every single game in the NFL that's purely devoted
to the uniform.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Thousand dollars because my sock wasn't pulled up high enough.
Crazy's And that's just you. Yeah, think about all the
other players, all the other players.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Couldn't he tell you just to pull it up and
not find he did? He didn't.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Here's a problem. Here's a problem.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They do.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
They do, But there's times when like something will like
your sock will go down or whatever whatever happens to
the g they'll still send you a letter.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
If you don't fix it, they'll still send you a letter.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Then theyre going double down on you next week, like
you do know, if you get this again, it is doubled,
and if you get it after that, it is doubled.
You do the man, it's crazy your sock, Like I
didn't want to wear my sock this way. They made
some ugly socks back then. Man, it was hard to
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try to find your swag, your splash. It was hard
they're gonna find you.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Imagine coming in the NFL with the browns though, Like
sometimes it's just hard enough to make those colors work.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Man. Yeah, yeah, look, I love my brows.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I grew up room for I'm saying, like going in
there because it's as ugly as their season is looking.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
At Halloween every Sunday.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
We'll get to them, you guys, Soldier Boyd tell them,
you guys have an issue with the play calling fourth
and inches?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
What do you want to run speed options?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So you want to be fan? Good god, we want
speed options? What the hell was that speaking of? They're
orange too? They have an orange in there. Yeah, same
color as vomit. They got problems. Man, They're not good.
I mean, I don't know which one of you guys
said they were going to be a playoff team, but
you ought to be a shore. I said they were
going to be a Super Bowl contender. You guys did.
(11:27):
They were going to stink. But it's all right. You know,
I'm a stand on it. That's just yeah, not great.
I'm a stand all on that.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I mean, here's the thing is, just let's just be
open about this. We all got a little caught up
in our hearts, not our heads about teams that we
rooted forore growing up. The only person that's winning on
that front is yours truly. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
It's like you went with Pittsburgh well of Chicago. I
got roster Cleveland got a little excited about that.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean, it got testy about it. I do not
question about what the Browns are going to do this season.
They're going to a little.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Test d I should have known it too, man, the
the hard knocks Jinks should have known it.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I should have known it, little boot. That was not
the fact that your offense a lot.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
You've actually if you look at the team, Belichick was
echoing this, it's like they just spent a bunch of
money on the outside of wide receiver and draft capital.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It's like, yeah, maybe should have worked on the line.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You know what I was thinking, like total hypothetical, but
I do wonder if Joe Alt was available at nine,
would they have still taken Roma Doon Da wasn't available then, Yeah,
he was available and that's why he is available. Yeah,
that's why I'm thinking regardless they was still would have
taken the wide receiver like they just that's.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
The problem is like you had a chance at Olu,
he didn't take Olun and I.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Was helping out the Jets.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, definitely is so again the Atlanta Falcons fall primetime, Kirk,
He's gonna need a little bit more time. He won
on Monday night, but they fall last night. And the
Kansas City Chiefs still sitting undefeated and they just, like
I said, keep winning.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yep, because they were getting they were getting some work
last night. They look I gotta say, I know we
always talk about the whole losing winning thing is they're
a good loss, bad loss. I tend to think that
there is a better way of losing than some other
ways of losing. I think that that loss yesterday for
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Atlanta says if I'm Atlanta, if I'm Raheem and I'm
talking to my team we could beat this team. We
were in position to beat this team. So and and
a loss, you still have a win. Because you can
lose a game. You'd be like, yeah, they kicked our ass,
like yep, they were better than us. Yeah we that
ain't that? Ain't that ain't us right there like new
(13:59):
like good luck to them. They they going somewhere right.
If I'm the Atlanta Falcons, I'm saying, we know what
we got in our backfield, our quarterback can deliver.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
We clean up a couple of things here or there,
but they look good. I mean, I don't. I don't
come away from that that game not saying you know what,
I'm laughing because Darnold is doing the mother thing in Minnesota.
But still, if I'm Atlanta, I feel like I made
(14:33):
the right decision, and I think that this team is
in position to have a successful season. You were very, very.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Competitive and too, I guess the discussion point of it
all they could have should have would have could.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Have won that game. They really could have won that game.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I would simply kind of go back to what Patrick
Mahomes talked about in regards to their level of play
hasn't been the cleanest and I think there's elements of frustration,
but he's also voicing what we're seeing out there. Like
remember last week we ended up with the whole mel
Kiper discussion of you know, taken away covered to that whole,
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that whole thing. That's that's the reality of where the
NFL is at now defensively, and really the Chiefs have
faced it for forever. I mean, Patrick Mahomes was seeing
more soft, you know, two shell coverage forever. And I
think he's a bit frustrated for a couple of reasons. One,
even though they revamped kind of the offense, bring in
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more speed, it hasn't played out the way I think
he was hoping it was going to, meaning they were
gonna be able to bust open some of these plays,
create big plays. Hasn't worked out quite as well. Well,
Hollywood Brown hasn't been a part of it. I think
once you add him to Rice as well as Xac,
if you're worthy, then you got Kelsey as well. Who
Atlanta Diodk a good job of shutting down for the
most part in this game, especially in the first half.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
You know things will start to own open up for them.
I truly do believe that.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
But That's the difficulty is, you know, every quarterback is
dealing with the fact that defenses have adjusted, they're putting
pressure on them to really methodically work the ball down
the field on a eight to twelve to thirteen play drive.
It's really hard to do that in the NFL. You
look at any you look at any level of football
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right now, it's really hard to execute consistently well. And
let's say four to five times a game on drives
like that, it just doesn't happenless unless there's a huge
gap in talent, like I kind of witnessed that in
high school football this past Friday night. But the general
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point is, and you guys tell me, we're all watching
the games, how many times do you see a team
consistently go eight to nine, ten, eleven, twelve plays for one, two, three, four,
five different series. You just don't see it?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
See it.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Yeah, there's gonna be a you know, a big play,
there's gonna be some sort of turn up that sets
them up on a short field like those are the
things that they need nowadays. That's where that's where the
NFL is at, at this point where football is at
because the way defenses have adjusted, and I think the
way offense is too. You can call it struggling somewhat,
but a little bit of a disadvantage. And I've one
(17:19):
of my dietrip not gonna do that about you know,
the offensive line and quarterback development and all that.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
It looks bad. I mean, I was paying attention a
whole lot more this weekend. It is very prevalent, even
in college. It's just very prevalent. Especially in college, it's
very prevalent.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Man, Like.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
You can literally pick apart like which teams. Like you
watch Cam Wored at Miami, You're like, all right, like
that dude's doing it right, Like he's gonna dice up
whoever there might be some struggles, he's gonna figure it out.
And that's kind of how it is in the NFL.
Like that, the better ones, like they they're pretty much
gonna figure it out. They're gonna make some plays, they're
gonna they're gonna do it. When it's all said and done,
it's two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
On Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox
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best in the league, and it's a bit surprising. We'll
tell you who that is right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
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a little over twenty minutes from now. Uh Oh, I
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would like to just apologize. I just want to say this,
and I don't want to say sorry to our friends
listening on the Yalla Horn of the Twins Yallo Horn.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
You didn't believe, man, you did not believe.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I h Sam Darnold's the best quarterback in the NFC
right now. Yeah, he's falling right now, best quarterback in
the NFC right now. And I picked him to finish
dead last in that demate right now? Yeah what?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, yes you did.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I screw that one up. He's awesome, He's been unbelievable and.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You bought too much. In the Chicago Bears hepe problem.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Well, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean probably I got
held hostage by by all that. But they, I mean,
that's that's a really good football team right.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Now and playing with some real confidence like that was
an ass whooping. Yeah, it was decisive too, like convincing.
No what like by accident.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
You had a couple of your axes in town, Daniel Hunter,
you had stuff on and they're just out there slinging
it around, and it does slinging them around, and it
doesn't seem like this is just you know, well he
got hot, you know, on a three game stretch. It
feels like there's some staying power now, like with the
way that he's playing and Kevin O'Connell and what they've
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got drawn up for him, feels like this is going
to be around for a little while when it comes
to the Vikings. So I was wrong, absolutely wrong, and
I want to apologize. Screw that one. Defense gives them
space and time.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Like Brian Flores, the way he's dialing up these these
defensive schemes and going at these these teams, he's he's
doing an excellent job. I mean, they're they're they're they're
so impressive on defense right now, man, And and then
you have all those weapons on offense, and you can't
really seem to get things going offensively against the Vikings.
(21:02):
It just gives them more and more opportunities for big
plays to take place. And they get big plays.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
On that team.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
You talked about the revenge by that. I don't forget
about Jonathan Grenarden. He was a player who had what
like three sacks in that game. Ye former Texan as well.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I mean, I'm just looking at at the situation. I'm going,
is this like a legitimate for like they're, you know,
as it stands right now, best team in the NFC North.
And when you consider, yeah, I wouldn't go that far.
Why not I wouldn't go to Detroit.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Like, we'll get into more divisional play. We'll see how
that shaped. But let's not go that far just because
the overall record. They look good though, because it's early,
it's three games in the season, they look great. They're
going to be competing for the NFC North. But that's
but look at who they've played so far, right, I
mean it's the Giants. That's not really a formidable opponent.
(22:02):
You know, he beat down with San Frana Houston good wins.
San Frano Houster, good wins. We just don't know how
they're going to shape up.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
We get to see it. I look at that this
week going to Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, divisionally speaking, but listen there, I mean to your defense,
they're in the discussion, right, Like, they're not out of
the discussion. They're in the discussion. I just wouldn't say
that they're like far and away this is the best
team in the NFC North like that, they're on pace
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to go seventeen and oh, I just want to point
that out.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Why do you make that face when I'm just like,
we please make sure that this part of the conversation sometimes. Man,
he looked at me with the goofy look too, like,
watch what I'm about to say, Well, that.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Goof I've seen that too, he did. After like about
three beers, he hits. He hits that look too.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
He's going to get what are you doing? Man? Maybe
he might be too scared, you guys to be too scared. Man.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
You guys got a good game this week.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
We do. They won.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I was watching them very closely because you were like saying,
and they're scary to me.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
They got dude, I'm telling you this quarter, he's good.
They got Pat Bryan's and Kari Franklin. They can make
some plays like they got a weird mixture.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Not weird.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
They have a good mixture of some playmakers. They will
surprise you, man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And that Barry Loodi, the junior there, they're o c.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
He is creative. He's good man. He likes to dial
it up. It's nice, it's fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's going to be a game. I ain't gonna say
that it's going to be a walk through. It's going
to be a game. For certain. It's Illinois, you know,
it's the ten, see what happens. But anyway, back to
the point, Yeah, Jonas, Jonas, let's go back to the point.
They're gonna go seventeen to know they're on pace.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
I'm just what you're saying, Jonas, you're bottom up, bottom
of the anbassy north down in your mind.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Now it's a seventeen.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And now what I'm saying is that the way Sam
Darnold is playing, and how Kevin O'Connell has him set
up for success, the way Justin Jefferson's playing, the way
the defense is playing, it feels like this is a
year where that's going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I don't forget Aaron Jones now told you about after
three games.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Oh, I'm just after three games you're declaring player.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That's why I ask the question, is this staying power
or is.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
This just yes?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Because their defense is playing well and they have a
running game, and they have a passing game, they have
a balanced attack. So is it sustainable? Yes, it's sustainable.
But what does that look like? I think that still
remains to be seen if that that's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
And let's be honest, set Donald's gonna have some bad
games too, right, He's gonna have some bad stretchers, bad games.
He hasn't really done that so far. He's played really well,
and kudos to him. This isn't I'm not like trying
to take a knock on him, But different qbs, different
players have different ceilings, different floors, and sometimes you get
(24:57):
a big disparity between those too. Like we've talked about
that with Anthony Richardson. His ceiling might be as high
as anyone in the NFL, his floor might be as
low as anyone's too, right. But the reality is as
a player, you're always trying to tighten that and you're
trying to play closer to your ceiling more often. And
(25:18):
that's the challenge for Sam Donald at this point in
time in his career. He knows this as well as anyone.
Every quarterback knows this. You just heard Patrick Mahomes coming
out when we began the first segment talking about throws
that he wasn't hitting throws. He liked, that's the best
in the league right now, and he's talking about, you know,
not necessarily being where he wants to be. That's where
a lot of guys are this early in the season,
right and that's just kind of how it works. So
(25:41):
I bet if we go back and look at preseason,
how much does Sam Donald play? He probably played for
a pretty decent amount in comparison, right, Yeah, I mean
so comparison to a lot of other starters. So he's
kind of hit a hot start. What we're gonna need
to see is they got a big Divisi game this
week when that adversity does strike. When he does have
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a bad game, does he you know, block that out
rebound or does he stay in a funk for a
period of time or can he get out of it.
So there's elements of that that are still at play
this season. There's a lot of football left to be played.
What he hasn't had in the past that he has
now is a team.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So if he does have one of those floor you know,
one of those floor games where it just doesn't look good,
there are other people on that team that can help
on the offense side of the ball, the defensive side.
They can help alleviate some of the stress and some
of the pressure if he's not having one of those games. Really,
(26:45):
all he has to do is manage the games he
doesn't even with all the arm talent that he has,
and as good and as gifted as he is and
can be, he doesn't have to be anything more than
a game manager with the type of talent as personnel
wise on that team. So if he isn't having a
great day, hey bro, you don't have to win the game.
(27:08):
You just got to manage the game.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
If you if you dealing and you we have in
one of them days, then cook. But if you're not
feeling good and it's not, it ain't it ain't shaping
up the right way, It ain't planning out the right way.
The good thing for him in his career this year
is he has a team that can actually pick up
the slack. He doesn't have to be the sole catalyst.
(27:31):
That's the reason why they win. At least that's the
way it looks right now. Are you saying he didn't
have that with the Jets?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Now the divisional matchup you guys are talking about its
apparently they don't have that in Miami either. It looks
like it looks like Jordan Love does have a great
opportunity to come back for this game.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
He would, does he?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Though?
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Well, why do we keep saying that?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Well, I mean, Matt Lafleur I mean there's a little
you know, mixed messaging. You know, he doesn't want to
give actual de tail. I think Willis is doing just
fine for him to heal up. And Matt Lafleur did
sing the praises of Malik Willis who went in to
Tennessee his former team and got it done yesterday for
the Packers.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
I just cannot articulate the job that he's done in
the short period of time. People can't fathom it. I
promise you. You guys don't get it. I know you
think you got it, but you don't get it. What
he's been able to do is I've never seen something
like this.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Why don't Why don't people get it? Why can't we
get it?
Speaker 6 (28:32):
Well, he got traded there and he's got to learn
an entirely new offense. He's got thrust it into the
UH to learning it. So I mean, you get it then,
because you just explained to it, right, Why can't we
get it?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I think we all right.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
It's like me saying to you. It's like me saying
to you, do you remember when like you didn't get
much sleep. You guys had your first you know, infant.
You're kind of going through all that and you're like, oh, yeah,
I get I get it, but then explaining what it
feels like to be sleep deprived for like the next
three months of your life.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So he was going for effect, is what you're saying. No,
it's just I think you can get it. You can
get it without without it having ever.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Really like a difference between sympathizing and empathizing, right, Like
you could sympathize or you can kind of understand that degree,
but like then to say you've experienced that, it's like
a whole different deal.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Fair enough.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
So I think that's partially what he's trying to portray
is it's really really I'm telling you man, it'd be
like tomorrow. It'd be like tomorrow, LeVar, you're doing the
entire show in Spanish. Yeah, well that's that's that's an
essence what it's like to run again.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
But then again, with the power as as Chris collins
Worth made it so clear last evening, with the power
of AI, I could do this entire show in Spatish.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
There you go, potentially, but it'd be difficult because like
you'd have to type some stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Out and have to translate.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Then you'd have to cover pre recorded. Man, you know
what I mean. I'm just I'm gonna type out the script.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
That's not possible because you don't know where Jonas is
going half the time.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Y'all want me to do it with y'all in Spanish?
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, this show, this show tomorrow in Spanish, all I
would say is poquito. But like learning a new author,
you'll speaking a new language. That's why it's it's kind
of similar to that, So it'd be it'd be difficult.
And by the way, like decision making with taking into
(30:29):
account you know, a new offense and all that, because
you've been in different systems. Like the hardest thing is
always not second guessing yourself with whatever it is within
that system, because you got to play fast when you're
out there, and you got to think fast.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
That's the hardest thing.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
So it's it has been truly impressive to see what
he's been able to have effish and he's played for
what he's been asked to do.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Also Matt Lafleur as well too, Like it seems like
when Rogers left, everyone just assumed, oh, he's going to
get exposed. He was, you know, cashing in wins because
he had Rogers as his quarterback. He had it easy
and now like we've seen it with multiple quarterbacks and
he's having success in getting it done.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
So by the way, Laura, like remember when he was
in Tennessee. If he didn't get the Green Bay job,
I don't think he was going back as an offensive coordinator.
I mean when he got this job, it was I mean,
I don't know how many people know that, but it
wasn't like he was going to be back as their OC.
So to your point, Jonas, this was a huge moment
(31:27):
of him kind of like proving himself.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Like there's the.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Transition from Rogers to Love, Okay, Like maybe it's just
the talent of Jordan Love. The development of Jordan Love
not a credit given there. Now you're going from Jordan
Love to Malik Willis with all those scenarios that Malik's
got to deal with, but also a different offense. I
mean it looks different like he's running some concepts of
option and everything else that you're saying this is creative,
Like we don't see this every given week, and it's
(31:52):
it's challenged defense.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
That's one of the reasons why it's worked with Malik Willis.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
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Speaker 8 (33:17):
Lap Good morning everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady,
Good morning LeVar.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
In case you missed this following the Raiders getting the
Lawers blown off by the Panthers, Good morning, LeVar, guys.
In Casey, Hey, Brady, Casey missed the post game speech
by Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
He had some uh, some harsh words for his team.
Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
No, they didn't. I think as the game went on,
I don't think it was a team it was.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I think there was definitely some individuals that made business decisions,
and we'll make business decisions going forward as well. All Right,
who's he talking about?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Who do I have to go back and watch. He's
not talking about Max Crosby, I know that moment.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
In fact, Max Crosby and DeVante Adams were asked about
these comments after the game. DeVante Adams said, this is
a tough for me to identify who he's talking about.
Max Crosby went on to say, we've got a lot
of people that have to look in the mirror. Everybody's
got to continue getting better. It's not the end of
the world, but it is a wake up call.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I mean to go get slapped around. I mean, listen
by the team that nobody gives a chance to have
any success. That's the red rifle.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I think that game is more about Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, blew them away.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I mean he did this last year.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Like the one time he came in last year, he
balled out and it played really well. I should say,
the passing game looked entirely different. And so I feel
like that game no offense ap and the Raiders because
no one's got high expectations.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
For them either.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
True, but it's more about the change of what we've
seen from the Panthers the first two games and now
we saw this past week is like, oh maybe it is,
Like maybe it is Bryce Young.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I think that'll be short lived. You know, here's the
thing is, even if it is, they had Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Bryce Young's never really played like that yet ever.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well that's fair man, And that's the tough part is
that's the horribly tough part.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
It goes down a long road of do did they
mess up?
Speaker 6 (35:26):
So they let him sat, let don't start last year
for a period of time, you know, before he goes in.
There's a lot of questions now around the development of
Bryce Young and how they interjected him into the NFL
and even look at Caleb Williams right now in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
There's another example of that.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
There's was some stuff out that a few teams have
already reached out to ca Okay, try that quick, quick
like that. The bars said, screw it, we made a mistake.
The man. But uh, but the teams have reached out
(36:05):
to Carolina about Bryce Young, but that they still, you know,
anticipate that there could be an opportunity firm later this
year as well too. So I just I feel bad
for the guy man. But they didn't look anything like
what they did yesterday when he was saying, can't you
let me get to the last topic please? We have
a small amount of time left. We might have this. Yeah,
(36:31):
there's a small provide some measurements on keys, what hand size,
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in on a Monday morning? Whoo? I mean, there are
several games are gonna get to that. I don't think
(01:46):
anybody saw happening the way that they did. But the
one thing you can count on in the NFL, at
least over the last handful of games, the damn Kansas
City Chiefs win close games all right, and it is
all on the up it up right. There's no shady officiating,
there's no complaining about the officiating. The Kansas City Chiefs
(02:07):
in close games are going to figure out a way
to win those games.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Is Chris collins Worth undercover curmudgeon. What is he like
the most positive curmudgeon? Like is he developing into a curmudgeon?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
What did he do?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I guess, can we do this?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
What would that sound like? What would that be?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Jonas? I mean I get the call, but I mean
like I just don't like it. He seemed like he
just I don't know, he's doing his job.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I guess he's said by what point he was like, Yeah, they're.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Taking a lot from me. They've taken a lot from Dang.
I mean he just got a new deal, didn't he.
I used to I used to do the numbering in
the counting of the players like he does, like real
low key complaining. If you if you were like I
was listening to you, I was like, dang, they took
his counter off as telestrator. He's not allowed to use
(03:03):
the counter anymore. Like count the men on the field.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Man, I already told you all. I had an issue
at that one time in Texas that was that was
not good.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh yeah, and you got the heat for that too, yeah, which,
well I didn't help.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Joe Davis threw me under the bus, which, trust me,
I could throw some stuff right back. But essentially, what
happened was I started to use the counter because there
was a hail Mary attempt, and the counter at times
it doesn't work because it's it's a touch screen, but
for whatever reason, like if you use your finger or
(03:37):
even a stylus is what they call a little little pen,
it won't always work or it will like count double.
Well in this case, it counted double. And the unfortunate
part was we're on TV, and they usually don't use
what's on TV on the jumbo tron in the stadium. Well,
in this case, because there was a review, they happened
(03:59):
to put what I was doing on the telestrator on
the jumbo tron. So all you see is like this
little market that says twelve, and I'm saying on TV
like this, this didn't work, let me erase this and
redo this, And so they keep up on the jumbo
tron this counter that shows twelve little circles, even though
(04:21):
there was the point I was trying to make was
there was only ten players, and it became this whole
confusion people they set fired up and come to find
out they actually played the hail Mary with ten.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I thought you might have had something up on there
that you had illustrated that you do.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
The telestrator dog.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, that would have been way, way worse. Story though.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
I was just talking about this with AJ last night,
because you know, he used to call games and we
used to We were talking about how it blowouts. You know,
you can kind of talk about whatever you want, you
can talk more storylines, and he's like.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, man, I'm just you know, you're up through the
tall store. He draws some forty things up there too.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Hot. It's like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
If that's that's not something I want as part of
my resume.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
He got caught up about two two, three times though,
on doing the like response for what he was what
he was trying to talk about, and it just didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
It was like, like, well, let's try it again. Yeah,
you can tell he's getting frustrated. Oh bro. The one
time he just stopped, like just stopped like that. Look.
It was so awkward, like he started to talk and
then it didn't go and he was like.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I was like, dang, Like he he didn't seem like
he was happy last night. I don't know, maybe that
was it kind of took my attention away for watching
the game a little bit like I'm watching the game,
of course, but it was like, dang, I was like,
I've listened to Chris a long time. I was like,
it just didn't seem.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Like he was happy.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh no, just a takeaway. It was kind of takeaway
from watching the game. I mean, I thought the game
was pretty entertaining. Obviously, it looked like the Falcons had
it figured out until they didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, the end of that first half was wild. It's
just everywhere was giving the ball back and forth and
nobody could figure it out. And then you know, they
had an opportunity at the end. Kansas City, as we mentioned,
pulls it out like they usually do and wins a
close game. Patrick Mahomes, though afterwards not happy, not all
that thrilled with the way the team is playing right now.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
We haven't played good. I mean really all three games
we've been able to win. I mean that speaks to
the character of the team, the grid, how we've been
in these situations before. But I'll speak especially offensively and
me myself, I feel like I haven't played very well.
And that's not a stats thing. I just feel like
I'm missing opportunities whenever they're out there and not throwing
the ball in the exact spot I want it to
(06:56):
be yet, so it's about me getting back to my fundamentals,
putting guys in the right position, and then we got
to execute at a higher level offensively. If teams are
going to make us drive the field, we have to
prove that we're able to do that. And I'm sure
we'll get a lot of the same this next week
with the Chargers not satisfied.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's those Kansas City chiefs not satisfied. And look for
anybody out there that wants to continue to go down
the road of officiating and whatnot. Listen, it's a it's
a four phase football game, offense, defense, special team, and officiating,
all right, and they are the best in the league,
and all of them apparently. So we were off running with.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Jonas.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I'm not listen. I you know, I don't want to
go down the conspiracy of the NFL to hear you
let us here.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
You want to just do it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
But it does appear like they get away with some stuff,
you know, like there's some calls that are like that,
you know, the p I on on Kyle Pitts that
wasn't called that felt like that was kind of a gimme.
For what ever reason, they didn't call it, and then
Atlanta followed it up by on fourth and inches running
whatever that play was to be Jon Robinson that was
(08:08):
not well blocked and then he got tackled and stopped.
So it was almost like that got overshadowed by the
play call. Raheem Morris, the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.
They tried to get him to discuss the p I call,
but he cares about his in his pocket, and he
cares about his wallet. They didn't see the pass and affairs.
It looked like it was clearly passing affairs on the replay.
(08:31):
I like my money.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Let I like my money, Arthur banks me.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
You don't have to get that.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Very smart enough to be aware enough to talk about officials.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
True, they made the call or.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
They didn't make the call.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
We got to we had a chance to win the
football game, won the last play the.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Game very well response very I thought that's very well done.
I like my money. Would they actually find him if
he says yeah, I thought yes, Yeah, I wanted to.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I mean he said it.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
We're saying like yes, jeez, do you understand how much
the NFL likes to find people not like my money.
They got like a whole department for it, Like seriously,
no doubt they got people waiting to find. Like I
tapped up one dude that I remember used to be
the uniform violation guy back in the NFL on this Saturday.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I was like, oh, man, I goot to see.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I was like, this dude used to try to find everyone's.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Ass about Merton used to kill me and was my dude.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
But that's what I'm saying, like doing what thousands of
dollars every single game in the NFL that's purely devoted
to the uniform.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Thousand dollars because my sock wasn't pulled up high enough.
Crazy's And that's just you. Yeah, think about all the
other players, all the other players.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Couldn't he tell you just to pull it up and
not find he did? He didn't.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Here's a problem. Here's a problem.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They do.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
They do, But there's times when like something will like
your sock will go down or whatever whatever happens to
the g they'll still send you a letter.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
If you don't fix it, they'll still send you a letter.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Then theyre going double down on you next week, like
you do know, if you get this again, it is doubled,
and if you get it after that, it is doubled.
You do the man, it's crazy your sock, Like I
didn't want to wear my sock this way. They made
some ugly socks back then. Man, it was hard to
(10:27):
try to find your swag, your splash. It was hard
they're gonna find you.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Imagine coming in the NFL with the browns though, Like
sometimes it's just hard enough to make those colors work.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Man. Yeah, yeah, look, I love my brows.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I grew up room for I'm saying, like going in
there because it's as ugly as their season is looking.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
At Halloween every Sunday.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
We'll get to them, you guys, Soldier Boyd tell them,
you guys have an issue with the play calling fourth
and inches?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
What do you want to run speed options?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So you want to be fan? Good god, we want
speed options? What the hell was that speaking of? They're
orange too? They have an orange in there. Yeah, same
color as vomit. They got problems. Man, They're not good.
I mean, I don't know which one of you guys
said they were going to be a playoff team, but
you ought to be a shore. I said they were
going to be a Super Bowl contender. You guys did.
(11:27):
They were going to stink. But it's all right. You know,
I'm a stand on it. That's just yeah, not great.
I'm a stand all on that.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I mean, here's the thing is, just let's just be
open about this. We all got a little caught up
in our hearts, not our heads about teams that we
rooted forore growing up. The only person that's winning on
that front is yours truly. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
It's like you went with Pittsburgh well of Chicago. I
got roster Cleveland got a little excited about that.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean, it got testy about it. I do not
question about what the Browns are going to do this season.
They're going to a little.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Test d I should have known it too, man, the
the hard knocks Jinks should have known it.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I should have known it, little boot. That was not
the fact that your offense a lot.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
You've actually if you look at the team, Belichick was
echoing this, it's like they just spent a bunch of
money on the outside of wide receiver and draft capital.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It's like, yeah, maybe should have worked on the line.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You know what I was thinking, like total hypothetical, but
I do wonder if Joe Alt was available at nine,
would they have still taken Roma Doon Da wasn't available then, Yeah,
he was available and that's why he is available. Yeah,
that's why I'm thinking regardless they was still would have
taken the wide receiver like they just that's.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
The problem is like you had a chance at Olu,
he didn't take Olun and I.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Was helping out the Jets.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, definitely is so again the Atlanta Falcons fall primetime, Kirk,
He's gonna need a little bit more time. He won
on Monday night, but they fall last night. And the
Kansas City Chiefs still sitting undefeated and they just, like
I said, keep winning.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yep, because they were getting they were getting some work
last night. They look I gotta say, I know we
always talk about the whole losing winning thing is they're
a good loss, bad loss. I tend to think that
there is a better way of losing than some other
ways of losing. I think that that loss yesterday for
(13:37):
Atlanta says if I'm Atlanta, if I'm Raheem and I'm
talking to my team we could beat this team. We
were in position to beat this team. So and and
a loss, you still have a win. Because you can
lose a game. You'd be like, yeah, they kicked our ass,
like yep, they were better than us. Yeah we that
ain't that? Ain't that ain't us right there like new
(13:59):
like good luck to them. They they going somewhere right.
If I'm the Atlanta Falcons, I'm saying, we know what
we got in our backfield, our quarterback can deliver.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
We clean up a couple of things here or there,
but they look good. I mean, I don't. I don't
come away from that that game not saying you know what,
I'm laughing because Darnold is doing the mother thing in Minnesota.
But still, if I'm Atlanta, I feel like I made
(14:33):
the right decision, and I think that this team is
in position to have a successful season. You were very, very.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Competitive and too, I guess the discussion point of it
all they could have should have would have could.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Have won that game. They really could have won that game.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I would simply kind of go back to what Patrick
Mahomes talked about in regards to their level of play
hasn't been the cleanest and I think there's elements of frustration,
but he's also voicing what we're seeing out there. Like
remember last week we ended up with the whole mel
Kiper discussion of you know, taken away covered to that whole,
(15:15):
that whole thing. That's that's the reality of where the
NFL is at now defensively, and really the Chiefs have
faced it for forever. I mean, Patrick Mahomes was seeing
more soft, you know, two shell coverage forever. And I
think he's a bit frustrated for a couple of reasons. One,
even though they revamped kind of the offense, bring in
(15:37):
more speed, it hasn't played out the way I think
he was hoping it was going to, meaning they were
gonna be able to bust open some of these plays,
create big plays. Hasn't worked out quite as well. Well,
Hollywood Brown hasn't been a part of it. I think
once you add him to Rice as well as Xac,
if you're worthy, then you got Kelsey as well. Who
Atlanta Diodk a good job of shutting down for the
most part in this game, especially in the first half.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
You know things will start to own open up for them.
I truly do believe that.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
But That's the difficulty is, you know, every quarterback is
dealing with the fact that defenses have adjusted, they're putting
pressure on them to really methodically work the ball down
the field on a eight to twelve to thirteen play drive.
It's really hard to do that in the NFL. You
look at any you look at any level of football
(16:23):
right now, it's really hard to execute consistently well. And
let's say four to five times a game on drives
like that, it just doesn't happenless unless there's a huge
gap in talent, like I kind of witnessed that in
high school football this past Friday night. But the general
(16:43):
point is, and you guys tell me, we're all watching
the games, how many times do you see a team
consistently go eight to nine, ten, eleven, twelve plays for one, two, three, four,
five different series. You just don't see it?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
See it.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Yeah, there's gonna be a you know, a big play,
there's gonna be some sort of turn up that sets
them up on a short field like those are the
things that they need nowadays. That's where that's where the
NFL is at, at this point where football is at
because the way defenses have adjusted, and I think the
way offense is too. You can call it struggling somewhat,
but a little bit of a disadvantage. And I've one
(17:19):
of my dietrip not gonna do that about you know,
the offensive line and quarterback development and all that.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
It looks bad. I mean, I was paying attention a
whole lot more this weekend. It is very prevalent, even
in college. It's just very prevalent. Especially in college, it's
very prevalent.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Man, Like.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
You can literally pick apart like which teams. Like you
watch Cam Wored at Miami, You're like, all right, like
that dude's doing it right, Like he's gonna dice up
whoever there might be some struggles, he's gonna figure it out.
And that's kind of how it is in the NFL.
Like that, the better ones, like they they're pretty much
gonna figure it out. They're gonna make some plays, they're
gonna they're gonna do it. When it's all said and done,
it's two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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Speaker 2 (18:29):
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Speaker 1 (18:44):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up about twenty minutes from now from the tire rack
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out his team and people are trying to figure out
who specifically he's referring to. That'll be yours here again
a little over twenty minutes from now. Uh Oh, I
(19:07):
would like to just apologize. I just want to say this,
and I don't want to say sorry to our friends
listening on the Yalla Horn of the Twins Yallo Horn.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
You didn't believe, man, you did not believe.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I h Sam Darnold's the best quarterback in the NFC
right now. Yeah, he's falling right now, best quarterback in
the NFC right now. And I picked him to finish
dead last in that demate right now? Yeah what?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, yes you did.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I screw that one up. He's awesome, He's been unbelievable and.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You bought too much. In the Chicago Bears hepe problem.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Well, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean probably I got
held hostage by by all that. But they, I mean,
that's that's a really good football team right.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Now and playing with some real confidence like that was
an ass whooping. Yeah, it was decisive too, like convincing.
No what like by accident.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
You had a couple of your axes in town, Daniel Hunter,
you had stuff on and they're just out there slinging
it around, and it does slinging them around, and it
doesn't seem like this is just you know, well he
got hot, you know, on a three game stretch. It
feels like there's some staying power now, like with the
way that he's playing and Kevin O'Connell and what they've
(20:26):
got drawn up for him, feels like this is going
to be around for a little while when it comes
to the Vikings. So I was wrong, absolutely wrong, and
I want to apologize. Screw that one. Defense gives them
space and time.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Like Brian Flores, the way he's dialing up these these
defensive schemes and going at these these teams, he's he's
doing an excellent job. I mean, they're they're they're they're
so impressive on defense right now, man, And and then
you have all those weapons on offense, and you can't
really seem to get things going offensively against the Vikings.
(21:02):
It just gives them more and more opportunities for big
plays to take place. And they get big plays.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
On that team.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
You talked about the revenge by that. I don't forget
about Jonathan Grenarden. He was a player who had what
like three sacks in that game. Ye former Texan as well.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I mean, I'm just looking at at the situation. I'm going,
is this like a legitimate for like they're, you know,
as it stands right now, best team in the NFC North.
And when you consider, yeah, I wouldn't go that far.
Why not I wouldn't go to Detroit.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Like, we'll get into more divisional play. We'll see how
that shaped. But let's not go that far just because
the overall record. They look good though, because it's early,
it's three games in the season, they look great. They're
going to be competing for the NFC North. But that's
but look at who they've played so far, right, I
mean it's the Giants. That's not really a formidable opponent.
(22:02):
You know, he beat down with San Frana Houston good wins.
San Frano Houster, good wins. We just don't know how
they're going to shape up.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
We get to see it. I look at that this
week going to Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, divisionally speaking, but listen there, I mean to your defense,
they're in the discussion, right, Like, they're not out of
the discussion. They're in the discussion. I just wouldn't say
that they're like far and away this is the best
team in the NFC North like that, they're on pace
(22:32):
to go seventeen and oh, I just want to point
that out.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Why do you make that face when I'm just like,
we please make sure that this part of the conversation sometimes. Man,
he looked at me with the goofy look too, like,
watch what I'm about to say, Well, that.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Goof I've seen that too, he did. After like about
three beers, he hits. He hits that look too.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
He's going to get what are you doing? Man? Maybe
he might be too scared, you guys to be too scared. Man.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
You guys got a good game this week.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
We do. They won.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I was watching them very closely because you were like saying,
and they're scary to me.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
They got dude, I'm telling you this quarter, he's good.
They got Pat Bryan's and Kari Franklin. They can make
some plays like they got a weird mixture.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Not weird.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
They have a good mixture of some playmakers. They will
surprise you, man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And that Barry Loodi, the junior there, they're o c.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
He is creative. He's good man. He likes to dial
it up. It's nice, it's fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's going to be a game. I ain't gonna say
that it's going to be a walk through. It's going
to be a game. For certain. It's Illinois, you know,
it's the ten, see what happens. But anyway, back to
the point, Yeah, Jonas, Jonas, let's go back to the point.
They're gonna go seventeen to know they're on pace.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
I'm just what you're saying, Jonas, you're bottom up, bottom
of the anbassy north down in your mind.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Now it's a seventeen.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And now what I'm saying is that the way Sam
Darnold is playing, and how Kevin O'Connell has him set
up for success, the way Justin Jefferson's playing, the way
the defense is playing, it feels like this is a
year where that's going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I don't forget Aaron Jones now told you about after
three games.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Oh, I'm just after three games you're declaring player.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That's why I ask the question, is this staying power
or is.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
This just yes?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Because their defense is playing well and they have a
running game, and they have a passing game, they have
a balanced attack. So is it sustainable? Yes, it's sustainable.
But what does that look like? I think that still
remains to be seen if that that's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
And let's be honest, set Donald's gonna have some bad
games too, right, He's gonna have some bad stretchers, bad games.
He hasn't really done that so far. He's played really well,
and kudos to him. This isn't I'm not like trying
to take a knock on him, But different qbs, different
players have different ceilings, different floors, and sometimes you get
(24:57):
a big disparity between those too. Like we've talked about
that with Anthony Richardson. His ceiling might be as high
as anyone in the NFL, his floor might be as
low as anyone's too, right. But the reality is as
a player, you're always trying to tighten that and you're
trying to play closer to your ceiling more often. And
(25:18):
that's the challenge for Sam Donald at this point in
time in his career. He knows this as well as anyone.
Every quarterback knows this. You just heard Patrick Mahomes coming
out when we began the first segment talking about throws
that he wasn't hitting throws. He liked, that's the best
in the league right now, and he's talking about, you know,
not necessarily being where he wants to be. That's where
a lot of guys are this early in the season,
right and that's just kind of how it works. So
(25:41):
I bet if we go back and look at preseason,
how much does Sam Donald play? He probably played for
a pretty decent amount in comparison, right, Yeah, I mean
so comparison to a lot of other starters. So he's
kind of hit a hot start. What we're gonna need
to see is they got a big Divisi game this
week when that adversity does strike. When he does have
(26:03):
a bad game, does he you know, block that out
rebound or does he stay in a funk for a
period of time or can he get out of it.
So there's elements of that that are still at play
this season. There's a lot of football left to be played.
What he hasn't had in the past that he has
now is a team.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So if he does have one of those floor you know,
one of those floor games where it just doesn't look good,
there are other people on that team that can help
on the offense side of the ball, the defensive side.
They can help alleviate some of the stress and some
of the pressure if he's not having one of those games. Really,
(26:45):
all he has to do is manage the games he
doesn't even with all the arm talent that he has,
and as good and as gifted as he is and
can be, he doesn't have to be anything more than
a game manager with the type of talent as personnel
wise on that team. So if he isn't having a
great day, hey bro, you don't have to win the game.
(27:08):
You just got to manage the game.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
If you if you dealing and you we have in
one of them days, then cook. But if you're not
feeling good and it's not, it ain't it ain't shaping
up the right way, It ain't planning out the right way.
The good thing for him in his career this year
is he has a team that can actually pick up
the slack. He doesn't have to be the sole catalyst.
(27:31):
That's the reason why they win. At least that's the
way it looks right now. Are you saying he didn't
have that with the Jets?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Now the divisional matchup you guys are talking about its
apparently they don't have that in Miami either. It looks
like it looks like Jordan Love does have a great
opportunity to come back for this game.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
He would, does he?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Though?
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Well, why do we keep saying that?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Well, I mean, Matt Lafleur I mean there's a little
you know, mixed messaging. You know, he doesn't want to
give actual de tail. I think Willis is doing just
fine for him to heal up. And Matt Lafleur did
sing the praises of Malik Willis who went in to
Tennessee his former team and got it done yesterday for
the Packers.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
I just cannot articulate the job that he's done in
the short period of time. People can't fathom it. I
promise you. You guys don't get it. I know you
think you got it, but you don't get it. What
he's been able to do is I've never seen something
like this.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Why don't Why don't people get it? Why can't we
get it?
Speaker 6 (28:32):
Well, he got traded there and he's got to learn
an entirely new offense. He's got thrust it into the
UH to learning it. So I mean, you get it then,
because you just explained to it, right, Why can't we
get it?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I think we all right.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
It's like me saying to you. It's like me saying
to you, do you remember when like you didn't get
much sleep. You guys had your first you know, infant.
You're kind of going through all that and you're like, oh, yeah,
I get I get it, but then explaining what it
feels like to be sleep deprived for like the next
three months of your life.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So he was going for effect, is what you're saying. No,
it's just I think you can get it. You can
get it without without it having ever.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Really like a difference between sympathizing and empathizing, right, Like
you could sympathize or you can kind of understand that degree,
but like then to say you've experienced that, it's like
a whole different deal.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Fair enough.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
So I think that's partially what he's trying to portray
is it's really really I'm telling you man, it'd be
like tomorrow. It'd be like tomorrow, LeVar, you're doing the
entire show in Spanish. Yeah, well that's that's that's an
essence what it's like to run again.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
But then again, with the power as as Chris collins
Worth made it so clear last evening, with the power
of AI, I could do this entire show in Spatish.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
There you go, potentially, but it'd be difficult because like
you'd have to type some stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Out and have to translate.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Then you'd have to cover pre recorded. Man, you know
what I mean. I'm just I'm gonna type out the script.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
That's not possible because you don't know where Jonas is
going half the time.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Y'all want me to do it with y'all in Spanish?
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, this show, this show tomorrow in Spanish, all I
would say is poquito. But like learning a new author,
you'll speaking a new language. That's why it's it's kind
of similar to that, So it'd be it'd be difficult.
And by the way, like decision making with taking into
(30:29):
account you know, a new offense and all that, because
you've been in different systems. Like the hardest thing is
always not second guessing yourself with whatever it is within
that system, because you got to play fast when you're
out there, and you got to think fast.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
That's the hardest thing.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
So it's it has been truly impressive to see what
he's been able to have effish and he's played for
what he's been asked to do.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Also Matt Lafleur as well too, Like it seems like
when Rogers left, everyone just assumed, oh, he's going to
get exposed. He was, you know, cashing in wins because
he had Rogers as his quarterback. He had it easy
and now like we've seen it with multiple quarterbacks and
he's having success in getting it done.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
So by the way, Laura, like remember when he was
in Tennessee. If he didn't get the Green Bay job,
I don't think he was going back as an offensive coordinator.
I mean when he got this job, it was I mean,
I don't know how many people know that, but it
wasn't like he was going to be back as their OC.
So to your point, Jonas, this was a huge moment
(31:27):
of him kind of like proving himself.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Like there's the.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Transition from Rogers to Love, Okay, Like maybe it's just
the talent of Jordan Love. The development of Jordan Love
not a credit given there. Now you're going from Jordan
Love to Malik Willis with all those scenarios that Malik's
got to deal with, but also a different offense. I
mean it looks different like he's running some concepts of
option and everything else that you're saying this is creative,
Like we don't see this every given week, and it's
(31:52):
it's challenged defense.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
That's one of the reasons why it's worked with Malik Willis.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
The last two weeks Two Pros and a Cup of
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Speaker 2 (32:07):
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Speaker 8 (33:17):
Lap Good morning everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady,
Good morning LeVar.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
In case you missed this following the Raiders getting the
Lawers blown off by the Panthers, Good morning, LeVar, guys.
In Casey, Hey, Brady, Casey missed the post game speech
by Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
He had some uh, some harsh words for his team.
Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
No, they didn't. I think as the game went on,
I don't think it was a team it was.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I think there was definitely some individuals that made business decisions,
and we'll make business decisions going forward as well. All Right,
who's he talking about?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Who do I have to go back and watch. He's
not talking about Max Crosby, I know that moment.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
In fact, Max Crosby and DeVante Adams were asked about
these comments after the game. DeVante Adams said, this is
a tough for me to identify who he's talking about.
Max Crosby went on to say, we've got a lot
of people that have to look in the mirror. Everybody's
got to continue getting better. It's not the end of
the world, but it is a wake up call.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I mean to go get slapped around. I mean, listen
by the team that nobody gives a chance to have
any success. That's the red rifle.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I think that game is more about Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, blew them away.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I mean he did this last year.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Like the one time he came in last year, he
balled out and it played really well. I should say,
the passing game looked entirely different. And so I feel
like that game no offense ap and the Raiders because
no one's got high expectations.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
For them either.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
True, but it's more about the change of what we've
seen from the Panthers the first two games and now
we saw this past week is like, oh maybe it is,
Like maybe it is Bryce Young.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I think that'll be short lived. You know, here's the
thing is, even if it is, they had Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Bryce Young's never really played like that yet ever.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well that's fair man, And that's the tough part is
that's the horribly tough part.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
It goes down a long road of do did they
mess up?
Speaker 6 (35:26):
So they let him sat, let don't start last year
for a period of time, you know, before he goes in.
There's a lot of questions now around the development of
Bryce Young and how they interjected him into the NFL
and even look at Caleb Williams right now in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
There's another example of that.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
There's was some stuff out that a few teams have
already reached out to ca Okay, try that quick, quick
like that. The bars said, screw it, we made a mistake.
The man. But uh, but the teams have reached out
(36:05):
to Carolina about Bryce Young, but that they still, you know,
anticipate that there could be an opportunity firm later this
year as well too. So I just I feel bad
for the guy man. But they didn't look anything like
what they did yesterday when he was saying, can't you
let me get to the last topic please? We have
a small amount of time left. We might have this. Yeah,
(36:31):
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