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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Tuesday edition, we look back at double
barrel action in the NFL on Monday Night football? What
the hell was that from the Jacksonville Jaguars. And also
congratulations to Washington, Apparently you got yourself a star quarterback.
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We will get into the very latest from the Christian
McCaffrey injury front, which is concerning considering well, he's going
all the way over to Germany. Not ideal. Also not ideal.
What's happening in Cleveland with Miles Garrett and company, the
Raiders considering a change at quarterback. We're also going to
have the BQ Top fifteen. Reggie Bush is back in
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the news and apparently he doesn't have many friends left.
We're going to talk with Pete Prisco on a Tuesday
tradition of Prisco airing out everybody within sight and striking distance,
and we close up shop with another edition of Lee's Leftovers.
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conversation following the debut of double barrel Action on Monday Night,
barrel Action, they should be called double Commander's barrel Action,
Double Commandos.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, we had one good game. One was a stinker.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, that is what you say. What you say to
say it. You got commando fever. Now see now, Jaydon Daniels,
look last night or what I like Jaydon Daniels, I
said it all along.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I like him.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I'm not going to say I have fever. But you know,
good for them. Yeah, he was really impressive. What's not
impressive is me thinking the Bengals are going to go
to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That ain't Ain't that?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
What about Lawrence and the Jackson going back to Neverbank Stadium?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Where do you where should we start? There's a lot
of discussion to be had Jacksonville. I don't even know
really where to start. I mean, we asked Pete Prisco
this because he is well he's the mayor of Jackson's
the mayor.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Of jackson Yeah, he actually used to be the mayor
of Jacksonville. We can talk to him about it. We'll
get more in depth. I think we sort off on
a pose. They're no boys. I think we talked about
the Commandos their big win last night.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, he's in Commando. Fever's backbar. Washington gets it done.
They get it done on the road and Jaden Daniels
was dealing, dealing. Yeah, that dime throw to Terry McLaurin
in the end zone to seal the game there on
the road. You gotta feel good for Washington. And by
the way, the sideline, everybody fired up. First touchdown pass
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to an O Ligneman, Cliff Kingsbury's out there, dan Quinn's hugging.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Guy, first touchdown past the season for.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Jemals and uh, it feels like listen the dan Quinn Hire.
At least there's a different vibe there all the way around.
Is that the Is that the way you read it? There, bar,
I mean, I don't know. Well, come on, I read
it just as much the way you guys read it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I'm not I'm not an authority on Washington football. Watch
it just like you guys.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You're one of the greatest Washington commanders, as voted on
by people in and around the organization. You're on that
fence you were.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
With Little Danny. Do we want you to know? Yeah? Like, like,
how are you feeling?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I feel good that they won for our fans. I
feel good for the players that they want.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I love the team, you know, love love what they
you know, meant to me. So watching them, I hope
for them to win.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So I didn't think.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
They're a fight song. Do you guys have a fight song? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
We did.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Hell to the Commanders, Hell Victor re commanders, on the
war path, fight for oh d C. There's more. There's more,
but I won't I won't continue on. I don't think
there is one for Cleveland, is there? I was drafted
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the fight song for Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Heyto this year, they least stopped one with this year.
Cleveland's still looking. Cleveland is on the blink.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think I like the Bears are just a toilet flushing.
That was what Rich Paul yesterday. I didn't even any
won't bring it up well before.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And then yeah, so what have you seen just from
a quarterback standpoint, Brady that makes you watch Jaydon Daniels
and go all right, this this could work? And what
it was there something they did differently last night or
was just Sincinnati Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Mean, I'll put it this way. Louie and Romeo was
the defensive coordinator at Purdue back when I was in college,
and we lit them up in two thousand and five
for a night game. I mean it was egregious. So
you know, this has always been the weak link of
the Cincinnati Bengals. It's it's been their defense. And the
tough part for them is, you know, with the with
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Burrows contract, samar Chase one a new contract like this
is a team that's to me always going to be
really hard to have the type of roster they need
to go win a Super Bowl. And it's one of
the reasons why I've kind of knowing again the economics
of the NFL, how much cash you need to be
able to spend to be able to pay a lot
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of guys and make it all work or do what
the rams have done in the past and be able
to go all in for at least one of those years.
You gotta have enough cash to do it. I don't
think people understand, man, it is really really hard for
these organizations to make money. Even with all the money
they're making, and to put into the rosters and pay
out all this cash. It's really really hard to be profitable.
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So you have to be so good hitting on all
your draft picks. You have to be so good finding
ways of making it all work and coming together staying healthy.
This is just not a team that, you know, I
think has all the pieces to be able to win
a Super Bowl this year. And we'll see what it
looks like in the future, especially once te Higgins moves
on for this roster and Jamar Chase gets his deal,
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we'll see how much money they have left. But to
answer the question about Jade Daniels, look, Cliff Kingsbury does
a really good job playing to the strengths of his quarterbacks,
and in this case, Jade and Daniels clearly is a
dual threat quarterback. He mixes in enough quarterback run quarterback
design you know, plays where it gives them some easy completions.
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Look at the first touchdown pass, you know a little
kind of play action off off the back side of it.
He's wide open. I mean the McLaurin throw is phenomenal.
I mean, that's all Jade daniels talent ability. But the
second Jade Daniels takes takes off and runs, it forces
a defense to play less Manda man coverage. So it
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takes out that toolbox that they've got because they're not
playing you know, two deep man under. They're just not
there's no one accountable for the quarterback that coverages out.
They'll never see it. You're not gonna play Manda man
because the second that he takes off and runs, everyone's
got their backs turned and Jade Daniels is were running
for forty fifty yards downfield. So then you're playing zone
and what type of zone. Well, if you're gonna be
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running the football Jade Daniels two, you better put that
extra guy in the box. But really that's not even
enough because you have to have someone account for the quarterback.
So you're usually playing some sort of cover for some
sort of cover three post size safety. That's it. Like
we just talked about this with with Urbin Mayer this
past week in this playbook segment, you get clean coverages.
Clean coverages mean like you basically get a couple coverage.
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That's about it. That or some maybe if they want
to play zero coverage situationally, but it's a big risk
because if someone you know can't cover, there's no safety help.
If Daniels gets outside, there's there's nothing behind him, so
he's running for days for a touchdown. So it really
limits what defenses can do. And that's the pressure of
a quarterback who's a dual threat quarterback. And not that
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we're seeing it like so prevalent in the NFL, but
we're starting to see it more and more and more
because you can really scheme up some things against the
defense that you face.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Jane daniels athleticism is on on the level of Lamar Jackson.
His like his ability to run and his ability to move.
It's it's like I'm not saying it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Is that Kyler Murray asked a little bit too.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
I mean his legs be moving fast and not a
Kyle because Kyler Murray's legs are like it looked different,
just kind of hard to compare them because which the
height differential. I gotta be honest with you, I just
don't see anybody catching Kyler. Kyler Murray reminds me of
like the homie from around the way that that like
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was walking out down the alleyway. He had something to
yours and you know, you wanted it back, and you
are like, like Lee, what he got to yours? And
then you everybody start chasing after him. They couldn't catch him.
That's that's Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Lamar Jackson is just he's just a superior athlete to
a lot of people. And when he gets out there
and he runs. I think Jaydon Daniels has that same
type of athleticism, man, And like you said, playing to
those strengths. This league has becomes such a pass RPO
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style of team, a run pass option type of of offenses.
It's just become kind of commonplace that you know that
the quarterback is reading the defensive end or the blitzing linebacker,
and depending on what they do is what dictates what
they or what the coverage looks like, depends on if
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they're going to pull it out and throw it. And
it just you know, to me, I thought that it
got a little bit much. It got a little bit
much because everybody who's doing it isn't really a threat
to hurt you in the running game. But when you
get a guy like Jaydon Daniels who's doing it, you
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really do have to pay attention to what it is
he's doing. Now it becomes as I mentioned before, I know,
here we go here, it becomes eleven on eleven football.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You love leven on.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I love eleven on eleven because generally it's ten.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But now when that's Kyler Murray out there, because she
will juke Joe ass Yeah, he'll get you.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
He'll get you. So will Josh Allen too. By the way,
not gonnask that. What what was you gonna say?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, you know there's the expression like, oh man, he
lost his jockstrap.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, shook him out.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I didn't know any dudes that ever actually wore a jockstrap.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
And and I'm older than you, so and you want
to know the funny, I was telling my son, I'm
not gonna ask it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But you know what, I'm trying to get a response
out of what. I'm not gonna ask it though, what
you know, you know where I'm going?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Where is he going?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I'm just saying no one in my my time, every
no one ever wore a jockstrap.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, I don't get it. I mean, I'm lost.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I'm saying that expression was not true, Like.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You can't shake them out of their jockstrap because you
didn't have.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Because they ever wore them. Yeah, it was like, that's fair, Yeah,
that's fair. Do they even say that shook him out
of his jock now? Do they even say that?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I didn't know. Oh yeah, I hear people all the time.
They're like, hey, man, go back to ten yard line. Man,
shoot you out of your jockstrap. You out of your job,
tang grab that thank sitting over there, tank wells some
underwear back down the twelve yards tank right there with
Andre the giants. I'm just saying that was my era.
I don't know if your era, if.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
They no jockstrap's really In fact, the funny thing was
in gym class you had they forced you to wear
a jock strap and you would have to pull your
straps out and show the gym teacher that you had
one on or you lose no. You know, it sounded
like a didty party to me. Now I'm thinking back
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on it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Cup check where that came from.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Well, cup check was football, I don't. I mean maybe
baseball too, but cup checking mite what Lebron said? No
party like a Diddy party. Oh I wonder if that's
gonna come back to haunt him. No, I hope not.
Don't make it through anything.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Now heany now cock.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
The gud.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean he's he's approaching sixty and he plays like
he's twenty five. That is true.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Whatever whatever he's got going on, he seems pretty durable. Now,
did you guys happen to hear Cam Taylor Britt of
the Bengals who was pointing out that the Commando's offense
college offense?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I heard before the Yeah so. Zach Taylor, the Bengals
head coach, was asked about that following the game and
didn't seem too pleased with just the idea of what
Cam Taylor brit had said beforehand, and so while responding
to the question from the media member that was asking
it afterwards, Zach Taylor had this to say. Jam Taylor Britt.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Played some headlines with his comments about the Commander's offense
and saying it was.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
A nice college offense.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Did you have an issue with.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
That, and do you like those are That's that's not
what we do. That's not what we do. We praise
our own team, praise the other team. We don't need
to take shots like that. That team hasn't hasn't punted
in two weeks. They've scored on every single possessional last
two weeks. So I've got a tremendous amount of respect
for what they're doing over there. I've done Cliff a
long time. I knew pair with that quarterback, this was
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going to be a very dangerous offense to play against,
and they they've proven that, so.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So I had to wear that a little bit afterwards.
I did Cam Taylor Bright Now he didn't know, he
didn't regret it. Afterwards, he was also asked about it
and said he did not regret his comments. But that
did not look great last night on the defensive side
of things, and the Bengals got lit up.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Man. I mean, twenty one of twenty three passing. That
was pretty pretty fire.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Rookie record, right. I think that's the rookie.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Rookie completion record. Yep. Malik Neighbors also set a record
as well his performance last week, which brings me to
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Speaker 1 (14:58):
That's right, our friends, Draft ca Let's.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Go ahead and tap dance for a while away forever
way we were offensive.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We have got it here, folks.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
He's got fingers that have rigid mortis and then.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
A thumb ring that is still there. Still. I'm ready listen,
I am ready to Yeah, We're we're off and running here.
Earlier on so, Jaden Daniels and Monique Neighbors are the
current one and two favorites to Wooden Workie of the
Year Offensive Rookie of the Year. That is, Jade and
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Daniels at a plus one fifty hundred brings you back
one fifty. Molik Neighbors at a plus two fifty one
hundred brings you back two hundred and fifty dollars after
last night. I mean, I think it's a.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Quarterback Williams too.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And you know Caleb is still plus six fifty.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I mean they had his name on the trophy literally
just waiting there, getting Dusty cobwebs on it for NFL honors.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
You know, Here's the problem though, is there's one player
that's been playing at a high level the entire time,
and that's Joel and I would actually put Fuaga from
the Saints out there too. The I'm telling you, man,
people need to give these linemen some props, some credit.
I don't know if it's going to have. It probably won't,
especially when you have a performance like that from Jane
Daniels and if he continues to replicate that. But I
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want to be on the record right now with you guys.
I'm here for the big men, all right. That's what
I'm here for, to defend them, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That quote off, he's here for the big men.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I'm just like, someone's got to pull for him, somebody,
you know, somebody's got to do it. Someone's got no Diddy.
But I'm right now I am.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I am rooting for those big guys because no one's
giving our offensive lineman the proper respect they deserve.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
These guys are playing the ball with some name. That's
I think we need to we need to really contemplate
this when it comes down time to vote for offensive
rookie year to.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Say agreed, I'm jayde and Daniels pro Jade and Daniels.
I was pro Jade and Daniels before the drift, more
pro Jade and Daniels going to Washington. But I do
respect the fact that you're right, they don't get enough
consideration or enough you know, exposure in terms of what
it is that they do.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
But by the way, even yeah, he did look good,
and he did they have to be in there for
a while.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I sure hope, I sure hope. So he did look good. Yeah, well,
congratulations Washington and Buffalo look good.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Buffalo. We didn't even really talk about Buffalo. I mean
we can Buffalo, Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
We're going off and Never Never Never Land Banks Stadium
or whatever it's called.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, it's so we will be doing that here coming up.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's what the back.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Shortly it is. I'm going so it is a Tuesday.
Pete Prisco is going to stop. I will bust his
balls an hour three of the We're also going to
have another edition of Incasimistic coming up later on, and
we close up shop with Lee's leftovers. It's all yours
here from the Tirak dot com studios. But yes, it
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Speaker 1 (18:33):
The Jacksonville Jaguars are a complete and total mess. I
don't know what the hell that was in Buffalo. Look,
they were an underdog going into the game, like not
surprising they would have lost the game, But like these
losses look worse and worse and worse. I mean, you know,
DeMar Hamlin gets his first career interception. They're celebrating that.
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Doug Peterson's got no answers. He was asked afterwards about,
you know, what needs to be done? How can he
fix things? They're not a very good football team.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Here was his answer, I don't lose confidence in myself.
One of the things I have to do is evaluate
our process. What what are we doing and and is
it beneficial for the team?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Right?
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Is it helping us win? And obviously it's not right now?
So those are all things that I have to look at.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
Moving forwards, going through a lot heart just try to
evaluate the process, make sure we're good so that we
can win. But obviously it's not a good problem.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Well done, that's great. Not much of a heartbeat, is
that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You know? I asked Pete this last week, Pete Prisco,
and I do wonder if the sentiment on the Jaguars
and the confidence on the Jaguars the past couple of
years has been because of that one playoff game against
that because I'm telling because it's it holds true when
you consider it doesn't. The only thing that holds true
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is Trevor Lawrence was drafted number one overall, Okay, and
he had he had a career in college that led
you to I've said it before.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I watched the kid in high school. I watched him
throwing football. I was like, damn, Like I had not
seen a kid at that age sling the football round
the way he did. And you can understand then the
height that was around that, the height that he got
the Clemson they went on what national championship his freshman year,
So that was where this all comes from. It saysn't
that that one playoff game. Well, this comes from no,
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this comes from the fact that we looked at him
as a generational talent. That's how we viewed it. It was,
that's what it is. It's not a playoff game. Okay,
just say it.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
None of it was. They doubled down on that and
gave him the contract. What what led you to believe
after everything you've seen early on in his career that
he was deserving of that contract. They double down on it,
and since then the numbers have played out exactly that
they have majority of his career exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And the problem was is this was their predicament. They
had commit to one of the two. It was either
gonna be Trevor Lawrence or Doug Peterson. And here's the
reality of it. Committing to Trevor Lawrence the way they
did that early and his rookie his rookie deal is
actually the best decision they could have made because if
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they need to get from out underneath it here in
a year or two, they can't. And it's much more
reasonable than waiting until he pushed closer and closer to
free agency, where that number goes up. So that's the difference,
is they actually made a wise decision in that regard,
and there might be a suitor for him somewhere out
there as we look across the league and see poor
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quarterback play. I mean, you could go through a number
of teams right now that may say, hey, we're interested
in him. I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously
kill Williams dropped the number one overall. We'll see this
thing goes, but we can have a conversation at some
point today show about whether or not they're having some
buyers remorse. Maybe they would have had rather had justin fields.
You know, we'll see where things go. You know, down
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the line with Will Levis. The Titans are zero to three.
You know, they're they're talking about a potential quarterback change,
or at least that's already coming up. So that's something
to discuss at some point. I mean, you go through
the Giants, they're probably gonna be looking for a new
quarterback at some point. Even though Danny Dimes was bawling
out this past week, the Panthers all roll with Andy Dalton.
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Oh yeah, so that's another team that I think, you know,
he's not getting any younger. They'll eventually be looking for
someone as well, we don't even know to his health
or situation if he comes back. When he comes back, like,
I can keep going if you want. There's gonna be
spots and opportunities for a guy like Trevor Lawrence to
get picked up by another team. I mean the Detroit Lions. Yes,
they've got Jared Goff and he's playing some really good
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football right now. At some point they'll have to start
thinking about life after Jared Goff. There's all these places
and teams or jets after life after Aaron Rodgers. They're
gonna have to find out at some point, like who's
that next guy coming in? There's plenty of teams that
would love to work with Trevorlward's a skill set and
say we don't feel like he was being developed. We
don't feel like he was in a great situation there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Why isn't it working, Like because they've got a ton of.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, Doug Peterson's not calling the plays and that's the
biggest issue. He needs to get back over calling the plays.
It was an issue last year Press Taylor, you know,
and the system that they're running. In my opinion, I
still don't think some of these teams are built the
proper way where they built. It was one of the
reasons why if you look at Joe Olton. Granted, you know,
probably a bad time to say because Justin Herbert got
banged up this past week, but you know, you build
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through the offensive line in the trenches and then you
you know, worry about the other pieces because it's hard
trying to throw the football off your back. I feel
like at times there's too much pressure. At times you know,
they're everything, and I've talked about this was a Pete forever.
If you go out and look at their pass charts,
you'll see half the time everything's spread a horizontally. It's
like nothing over the middle. They never have a consistent
run game. Their defensive spot. At best, it's a team
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that's trying to be held up by a first overall
pick at quarterback that's now in a second contract and
they don't have the pieces around the quarterback position. I
would go as far as saying this, if you look
at some of the teams right now that are three
to zero, probably with the exception see Chiefs. Even though
you know, I think even Patrick Mahomes would say he's
he's not getting into a rhythm early in games. Look
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at the Steelers, what's their identity defense? They've been running
the football fields, has played well in some spots, but
I mean the Vikings are probably the only team you
might say, well, Darnold's balled out so far, but it's
the entirety of their team. Like I think, as we
look at the NFL, how they're paying quarterbacks sixty million
now with Dak steel will probably be more than that
for some others who re upp I think it's trending
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backwards to Yeah, but if we want to pay a
quarterback that much, great, But there they might be zero
and three out the gate then because we don't have
any money to pay anyone else and the team stinks
around them, and the quarterback can only do so much.
I mean, you know, getting pressure wrong. Office back has
no one that can separate, has no running game. So
if the quarterback wants that, that's fine, but you're might
be often.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Oh the three start. I wonder if they would make
an end season change. I know they did with urban Meyer,
and look, there was a lot more to that than
just then.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I saw a tweet by the way that asked the question,
did Trevor Lawrence ruin Urban Myers NFL career, tang I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Jonas, look, I don't even know how far I can
take this. Listen, there's a lot there, all right, but.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It certainly wasn't Heim sitting in a restaurant conversing with
the friendly business. It was mine in his business.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Man. I mean you, you can't help it.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
If the DJ plays freakally and somebody you know loses
their mind and starts dropping it like it is hot.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I mean, I mean, yeah, what do you what do
you wanted to do?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
What I'm saying, I mean, they gonna judge that man
like that, And how you're looking at it, and you're saying,
did we get rid of the wrong person?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Used to start a big new and kickoff? What do
you want? Jonas? I just listen. I I wonder would
they make would they make any season change? Jesus would they?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And I also thought this if you were.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
If Jonas answer the question, Jonas.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I'm non committal on the topic.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I've heard that voice before, man, I think I heard it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yester oh Man.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Jonas talk about the playoff game.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Jonas, that was a great queue up. It was a
great que half one half of football, one half a
football in a playoff game in which was more of
a collapse by the Chargers than it was.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I've got vinyls and I've got somewhere, you know, And
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know
it's Skips that keeps going back to I know, I know,
I know, like Jonas will always go back to certain things.
Rex Grossman Kyle Orton coin flip before?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Did I tell you that story? By the way, Yeah,
in training camp he was talking about that. What happened?
All right, So check this out and I'm glad you
brought it up. So apparently in training camp they were
trying to decide who was going to start, you know,
one of the preseason games, and so Lovey Smith said
that he flipped a coin between Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman.
You guys didn't know that. Yeah, true story right there.
That's one of them. That's the actually a tough.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Game though this you're like Pete, you have a lot
in common with Pete Prisco. This playoff game will be
the other one that you're he's going to go back
to forever with Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence could be on
another team and Jonas will still go back to Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, it's called remembering where you came from, and he
came from a playoff game in which he played one
half of good football. He was awful in the first half,
and because of that, I think myself included overrated that
team going into last year and overrated him going into
this year.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I think you need to watch him Jaguars football a
little bit more to get a little a little wider.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What are you talking about it, I watched Jacksonville Jaguars football.
I know what happened.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think you realize they have a lot more issues
than just going back to one half of football in
a playoff game where you feel like everyone was sold.
There's that that was exactly what happened there.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
There's a lot of talent there, and you're telling me
it's just because Doug Peterson doesn't want to call plays.
Why doesn't he want to call plays? Like if his job?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Because he doesn't want to call plays. I think at
some point he will take over play.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Calling because when the owner comes out and says and
basically puts everybody on blast this offseason, like seod Con did,
my expectation was, well, Doug, why take any chances? Doug
Peterson is going to call plays like if his job's
on the line, and the owner already came out and
said that, why why are we messing around?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And now you can always move on from a coordinator
earlier in the season and then keep your job for
the rest of the season. If you're not the one
calling plays. If this is go to the one calling plays,
you get clipped.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
If this is going the way it's going the rest
of the year, Doug Peterson is gone. So why are
we messing around?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
As Ode three? Yeah, I'd say that's.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
A pretty parasign. I just I don't know, like, what
if this keeps going on there?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Eight?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, so what do you what do you want to do?
Fire his offensive coordinator after he gets fired?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
First off, I'm not advocating for firing anyone.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
All right, Yeah, why are you calling for jobs here
on the show?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I'm saying. I'm saying that he's going to have to
take over play calling, dude, just full time. We'll talk
to the mayor of Jacksonville, p Prisco about this, and
he'll say something along the lines up you know, he'll
probably say some similar sentiments to the horizontal you know,
the line play and all that, Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You want to predict what he's going to say, like
what's going to be?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I just need you two of the things right. So here,
let's let's put on the bingo card, folks, everyone who's
listening to this. Prisco will talk about the offensive line play.
He'll talk about probably maybe even lack of running game
when he says it, but protection will be part of that.
He will talk about the horizontal play calling by Press Taylor.
He will address Trevor Lawrence though, and he'll say what
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we've all said, like he is not developed into the
quarterback we thought he would be. He has been inconsistent
at times inaccurate. He'll he'll talk about those he'll talk
about those three things. He may mention the defense. He
probably won't though he doesn't really care about defense, LeVar.
He just thinks every quarterback should win every single game.
That it's not like a team game. So I don't
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think he'll mention the defense. But those are the three things.
Lee f eight this. We can play it back after
Pete comes on and we'll see how accurate this.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Was a couple By the way, real quick.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Who is I'm trying to think he's gonna gloat about
Buffalo because he's going to be big on that, and
there's like one or two others he's going to try
to uh, he'll, he'll, I think he'll trying to think.
I think he liked Jaden better than Caleb too.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Brady.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, you can't both do it only I know, I
know we're up against.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
By the way this show, both do it. Stay tuned
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Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's a good thing.
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Speaker 1 (32:05):
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Speaker 9 (32:09):
Good morning everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady, Good
morning LaVar.
Speaker 10 (32:13):
Who everybody's having a good morning morning guys. In case
you missed the Hey LeVar, Hey guys, in case you
missed this fort ninders running back. Chritian McCaffrey is uh
taking some concerning steps, hey Brady, regarding that achilles injury
that's been plaguing him. Apparently he's headed over to Germany
to see a specialist and is expected to stay there
for a few days.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, that's where they go.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It was the Germans now, yeah, what's what do they
spin blood? Is that that blood spinning out? They do
that here now? Yeah? They do.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
They can do it in Canada too. It's like Canada
or German aators are all them. Kobe went there, Kobe
went to a specialist there in Germany. I think maybe
Beckham went there. Does that sound right?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah? I know.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I think someone started it, and then everyone's kind of
been going there because they've had some great results. But LaVar,
you know you you're suffering an achilles injury.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean that's I've never done that stuff. I've never
that injury.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Serious.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah, everything, And and you can now that I
look back on it, you can feel the signs of
it before it happens, like your your achilles tendon like
starts like vibrating like.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
A like a violin strain.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you can feel yeah, bro, you can
feel the vibrations of.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
My wife never I gotta ask her, because she never
really said she could feel things before. She just felt
it was kind of tight.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It was tight, it was tight, and then you just
feel it like like it had this weird vibrating feeling
to it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
She also hates me right now and has no feelings
towards anyone. That's what happens when you're you know, well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
You know she's going through some things. Yeah, yeah, changes
the changes, that's right. Yeah, Okay, what else you got guys?
In case you missed this, uh, Carson Steele off top
Brady up. Got a little bit of a team to this.
In case you missed it.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Yeah, obviously he played for the Chiefs this weekend started
and placed some Isaipah.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
They were so they were so enamored by him, they
just kept covering them and covering them.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
What sound like there?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I mean, I gotta tell you like a credit to
lead to laugh. He's done it yet again and this
time and in case you miss it, he worked in
two white running back stories.
Speaker 11 (34:25):
Golly, his white running back. You know he has an
alligator in his house. I wouldn't go in his house.
He's got a guard. He got a guard alligator?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
What what's a what do you got on this second
white running back?
Speaker 9 (34:41):
Well, good for him, had a great game filling in
as the starting spot. But before that he was scheduled
to be the groomsman for his sister's wedding, so he
skipped that. Lots of video surfacing of them celebrating watching
the game at his had.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
To leave the alligator at home though those were the
alligator sitters, so I don't know how that works. And
then when they showed the picture, his mouth was take shut.
I just don't know what type of life that is
for you to live if you're a mister alligator man.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
The egine neighbors cat gets in the yard. Imagine if
there was a rat in there.
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Tuesday edition, we look back at double
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the hell was that from the Jacksonville Jaguars. And also
congratulations to Washington, Apparently you got yourself a star quarterback.
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We will get into the very latest from the Christian
McCaffrey injury front, which is concerning considering well, he's going
all the way over to Germany. Not ideal. Also not ideal.
What's happening in Cleveland with Miles Garrett and company, the
Raiders considering a change at quarterback. We're also going to
have the BQ Top fifteen. Reggie Bush is back in
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conversation following the debut of double barrel Action on Monday Night,
barrel Action, they should be called double Commander's barrel Action,
Double Commandos.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, we had one good game. One was a stinker.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, that is what you say. What you say to
say it. You got commando fever. Now see now, Jaydon Daniels,
look last night or what I like Jaydon Daniels, I
said it all along.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I like him.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I'm not going to say I have fever. But you know,
good for them. Yeah, he was really impressive. What's not
impressive is me thinking the Bengals are going to go
to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That ain't Ain't that?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
What about Lawrence and the Jackson going back to Neverbank Stadium?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Where do you where should we start? There's a lot
of discussion to be had Jacksonville. I don't even know
really where to start. I mean, we asked Pete Prisco
this because he is well he's the mayor of Jackson's
the mayor.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Of jackson Yeah, he actually used to be the mayor
of Jacksonville. We can talk to him about it. We'll
get more in depth. I think we sort off on
a pose. They're no boys. I think we talked about
the Commandos their big win last night.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, he's in Commando. Fever's backbar. Washington gets it done.
They get it done on the road and Jaden Daniels
was dealing, dealing. Yeah, that dime throw to Terry McLaurin
in the end zone to seal the game there on
the road. You gotta feel good for Washington. And by
the way, the sideline, everybody fired up. First touchdown pass
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to an O Ligneman, Cliff Kingsbury's out there, dan Quinn's hugging.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Guy, first touchdown past the season for.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Jemals and uh, it feels like listen the dan Quinn Hire.
At least there's a different vibe there all the way around.
Is that the Is that the way you read it? There, bar,
I mean, I don't know. Well, come on, I read
it just as much the way you guys read it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I'm not I'm not an authority on Washington football. Watch
it just like you guys.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You're one of the greatest Washington commanders, as voted on
by people in and around the organization. You're on that
fence you were.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
With Little Danny. Do we want you to know? Yeah? Like, like,
how are you feeling?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I feel good that they won for our fans. I
feel good for the players that they want.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I love the team, you know, love love what they
you know, meant to me. So watching them, I hope
for them to win.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So I didn't think.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
They're a fight song. Do you guys have a fight song? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
We did.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Hell to the Commanders, Hell Victor re commanders, on the
war path, fight for oh d C. There's more. There's more,
but I won't I won't continue on. I don't think
there is one for Cleveland, is there? I was drafted
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the fight song for Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Heyto this year, they least stopped one with this year.
Cleveland's still looking. Cleveland is on the blink.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think I like the Bears are just a toilet flushing.
That was what Rich Paul yesterday. I didn't even any
won't bring it up well before.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And then yeah, so what have you seen just from
a quarterback standpoint, Brady that makes you watch Jaydon Daniels
and go all right, this this could work? And what
it was there something they did differently last night or
was just Sincinnati Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Mean, I'll put it this way. Louie and Romeo was
the defensive coordinator at Purdue back when I was in college,
and we lit them up in two thousand and five
for a night game. I mean it was egregious. So
you know, this has always been the weak link of
the Cincinnati Bengals. It's it's been their defense. And the
tough part for them is, you know, with the with
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Burrows contract, samar Chase one a new contract like this
is a team that's to me always going to be
really hard to have the type of roster they need
to go win a Super Bowl. And it's one of
the reasons why I've kind of knowing again the economics
of the NFL, how much cash you need to be
able to spend to be able to pay a lot
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of guys and make it all work or do what
the rams have done in the past and be able
to go all in for at least one of those years.
You gotta have enough cash to do it. I don't
think people understand, man, it is really really hard for
these organizations to make money. Even with all the money
they're making, and to put into the rosters and pay
out all this cash. It's really really hard to be profitable.
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So you have to be so good hitting on all
your draft picks. You have to be so good finding
ways of making it all work and coming together staying healthy.
This is just not a team that, you know, I
think has all the pieces to be able to win
a Super Bowl this year. And we'll see what it
looks like in the future, especially once te Higgins moves
on for this roster and Jamar Chase gets his deal,
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we'll see how much money they have left. But to
answer the question about Jade Daniels, look, Cliff Kingsbury does
a really good job playing to the strengths of his quarterbacks,
and in this case, Jade and Daniels clearly is a
dual threat quarterback. He mixes in enough quarterback run quarterback
design you know, plays where it gives them some easy completions.
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Look at the first touchdown pass, you know a little
kind of play action off off the back side of it.
He's wide open. I mean the McLaurin throw is phenomenal.
I mean, that's all Jade daniels talent ability. But the
second Jade Daniels takes takes off and runs, it forces
a defense to play less Manda man coverage. So it
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takes out that toolbox that they've got because they're not
playing you know, two deep man under. They're just not
there's no one accountable for the quarterback that coverages out.
They'll never see it. You're not gonna play Manda man
because the second that he takes off and runs, everyone's
got their backs turned and Jade Daniels is were running
for forty fifty yards downfield. So then you're playing zone
and what type of zone. Well, if you're gonna be
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running the football Jade Daniels two, you better put that
extra guy in the box. But really that's not even
enough because you have to have someone account for the quarterback.
So you're usually playing some sort of cover for some
sort of cover three post size safety. That's it. Like
we just talked about this with with Urbin Mayer this
past week in this playbook segment, you get clean coverages.
Clean coverages mean like you basically get a couple coverage.
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That's about it. That or some maybe if they want
to play zero coverage situationally, but it's a big risk
because if someone you know can't cover, there's no safety help.
If Daniels gets outside, there's there's nothing behind him, so
he's running for days for a touchdown. So it really
limits what defenses can do. And that's the pressure of
a quarterback who's a dual threat quarterback. And not that
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we're seeing it like so prevalent in the NFL, but
we're starting to see it more and more and more
because you can really scheme up some things against the
defense that you face.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Jane daniels athleticism is on on the level of Lamar Jackson.
His like his ability to run and his ability to move.
It's it's like I'm not saying it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Is that Kyler Murray asked a little bit too.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
I mean his legs be moving fast and not a
Kyle because Kyler Murray's legs are like it looked different,
just kind of hard to compare them because which the
height differential. I gotta be honest with you, I just
don't see anybody catching Kyler. Kyler Murray reminds me of
like the homie from around the way that that like
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was walking out down the alleyway. He had something to
yours and you know, you wanted it back, and you
are like, like Lee, what he got to yours? And
then you everybody start chasing after him. They couldn't catch him.
That's that's Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Lamar Jackson is just he's just a superior athlete to
a lot of people. And when he gets out there
and he runs. I think Jaydon Daniels has that same
type of athleticism, man, And like you said, playing to
those strengths. This league has becomes such a pass RPO
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style of team, a run pass option type of of offenses.
It's just become kind of commonplace that you know that
the quarterback is reading the defensive end or the blitzing linebacker,
and depending on what they do is what dictates what
they or what the coverage looks like, depends on if
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they're going to pull it out and throw it. And
it just you know, to me, I thought that it
got a little bit much. It got a little bit
much because everybody who's doing it isn't really a threat
to hurt you in the running game. But when you
get a guy like Jaydon Daniels who's doing it, you
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really do have to pay attention to what it is
he's doing. Now it becomes as I mentioned before, I know,
here we go here, it becomes eleven on eleven football.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You love leven on.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I love eleven on eleven because generally it's ten.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But now when that's Kyler Murray out there, because she
will juke Joe ass Yeah, he'll get you.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
He'll get you. So will Josh Allen too. By the way,
not gonnask that. What what was you gonna say?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, you know there's the expression like, oh man, he
lost his jockstrap.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, shook him out.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I didn't know any dudes that ever actually wore a jockstrap.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
And and I'm older than you, so and you want
to know the funny, I was telling my son, I'm
not gonna ask it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But you know what, I'm trying to get a response
out of what. I'm not gonna ask it though, what
you know, you know where I'm going?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Where is he going?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I'm just saying no one in my my time, every
no one ever wore a jockstrap.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, I don't get it. I mean, I'm lost.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I'm saying that expression was not true, Like.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You can't shake them out of their jockstrap because you
didn't have.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Because they ever wore them. Yeah, it was like, that's fair, Yeah,
that's fair. Do they even say that shook him out
of his jock now? Do they even say that?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I didn't know. Oh yeah, I hear people all the time.
They're like, hey, man, go back to ten yard line. Man,
shoot you out of your jockstrap. You out of your job,
tang grab that thank sitting over there, tank wells some
underwear back down the twelve yards tank right there with
Andre the giants. I'm just saying that was my era.
I don't know if your era, if.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
They no jockstrap's really In fact, the funny thing was
in gym class you had they forced you to wear
a jock strap and you would have to pull your
straps out and show the gym teacher that you had
one on or you lose no. You know, it sounded
like a didty party to me. Now I'm thinking back
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on it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Cup check where that came from.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Well, cup check was football, I don't. I mean maybe
baseball too, but cup checking mite what Lebron said? No
party like a Diddy party. Oh I wonder if that's
gonna come back to haunt him. No, I hope not.
Don't make it through anything.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Now heany now cock.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
The gud.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean he's he's approaching sixty and he plays like
he's twenty five. That is true.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Whatever whatever he's got going on, he seems pretty durable. Now,
did you guys happen to hear Cam Taylor Britt of
the Bengals who was pointing out that the Commando's offense
college offense?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I heard before the Yeah so. Zach Taylor, the Bengals
head coach, was asked about that following the game and
didn't seem too pleased with just the idea of what
Cam Taylor brit had said beforehand, and so while responding
to the question from the media member that was asking
it afterwards, Zach Taylor had this to say. Jam Taylor Britt.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Played some headlines with his comments about the Commander's offense
and saying it was.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
A nice college offense.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Did you have an issue with.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
That, and do you like those are That's that's not
what we do. That's not what we do. We praise
our own team, praise the other team. We don't need
to take shots like that. That team hasn't hasn't punted
in two weeks. They've scored on every single possessional last
two weeks. So I've got a tremendous amount of respect
for what they're doing over there. I've done Cliff a
long time. I knew pair with that quarterback, this was
(14:15):
going to be a very dangerous offense to play against,
and they they've proven that, so.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So I had to wear that a little bit afterwards.
I did Cam Taylor Bright Now he didn't know, he
didn't regret it. Afterwards, he was also asked about it
and said he did not regret his comments. But that
did not look great last night on the defensive side
of things, and the Bengals got lit up.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Man. I mean, twenty one of twenty three passing. That
was pretty pretty fire.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Rookie record, right. I think that's the rookie.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Rookie completion record. Yep. Malik Neighbors also set a record
as well his performance last week, which brings me to
it's that side, folks. Jonas Knox is going to provide
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Speaker 1 (14:58):
That's right, our friends, Draft ca Let's.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Go ahead and tap dance for a while away forever
way we were offensive.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We have got it here, folks.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
He's got fingers that have rigid mortis and then.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
A thumb ring that is still there. Still. I'm ready listen,
I am ready to Yeah, We're we're off and running here.
Earlier on so, Jaden Daniels and Monique Neighbors are the
current one and two favorites to Wooden Workie of the
Year Offensive Rookie of the Year. That is, Jade and
(15:35):
Daniels at a plus one fifty hundred brings you back
one fifty. Molik Neighbors at a plus two fifty one
hundred brings you back two hundred and fifty dollars after
last night. I mean, I think it's a.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Quarterback Williams too.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And you know Caleb is still plus six fifty.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I mean they had his name on the trophy literally
just waiting there, getting Dusty cobwebs on it for NFL honors.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
You know, Here's the problem though, is there's one player
that's been playing at a high level the entire time,
and that's Joel and I would actually put Fuaga from
the Saints out there too. The I'm telling you, man,
people need to give these linemen some props, some credit.
I don't know if it's going to have. It probably won't,
especially when you have a performance like that from Jane
Daniels and if he continues to replicate that. But I
(16:25):
want to be on the record right now with you guys.
I'm here for the big men, all right. That's what
I'm here for, to defend them, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That quote off, he's here for the big men.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I'm just like, someone's got to pull for him, somebody,
you know, somebody's got to do it. Someone's got no Diddy.
But I'm right now I am.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I am rooting for those big guys because no one's
giving our offensive lineman the proper respect they deserve.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
These guys are playing the ball with some name. That's
I think we need to we need to really contemplate
this when it comes down time to vote for offensive
rookie year to.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Say agreed, I'm jayde and Daniels pro Jade and Daniels.
I was pro Jade and Daniels before the drift, more
pro Jade and Daniels going to Washington. But I do
respect the fact that you're right, they don't get enough
consideration or enough you know, exposure in terms of what
it is that they do.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
But by the way, even yeah, he did look good,
and he did they have to be in there for
a while.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I sure hope, I sure hope. So he did look good. Yeah, well,
congratulations Washington and Buffalo look good.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Buffalo. We didn't even really talk about Buffalo. I mean
we can Buffalo, Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
We're going off and Never Never Never Land Banks Stadium
or whatever it's called.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, it's so we will be doing that here coming up.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's what the back.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Shortly it is. I'm going so it is a Tuesday.
Pete Prisco is going to stop. I will bust his
balls an hour three of the We're also going to
have another edition of Incasimistic coming up later on, and
we close up shop with Lee's leftovers. It's all yours
here from the Tirak dot com studios. But yes, it
has gone from bad to worse for one team in
(18:13):
the NFL. Oh boy, big changes on the way. We'll
find out the latest right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 1 (18:33):
The Jacksonville Jaguars are a complete and total mess. I
don't know what the hell that was in Buffalo. Look,
they were an underdog going into the game, like not
surprising they would have lost the game, But like these
losses look worse and worse and worse. I mean, you know,
DeMar Hamlin gets his first career interception. They're celebrating that.
(18:54):
Doug Peterson's got no answers. He was asked afterwards about,
you know, what needs to be done? How can he
fix things? They're not a very good football team.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Here was his answer, I don't lose confidence in myself.
One of the things I have to do is evaluate
our process. What what are we doing and and is
it beneficial for the team?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Right?
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Is it helping us win? And obviously it's not right now?
So those are all things that I have to look at.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
Moving forwards, going through a lot heart just try to
evaluate the process, make sure we're good so that we
can win. But obviously it's not a good problem.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Well done, that's great. Not much of a heartbeat, is
that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You know? I asked Pete this last week, Pete Prisco,
and I do wonder if the sentiment on the Jaguars
and the confidence on the Jaguars the past couple of
years has been because of that one playoff game against
that because I'm telling because it's it holds true when
you consider it doesn't. The only thing that holds true
(20:09):
is Trevor Lawrence was drafted number one overall, Okay, and
he had he had a career in college that led
you to I've said it before.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I watched the kid in high school. I watched him
throwing football. I was like, damn, Like I had not
seen a kid at that age sling the football round
the way he did. And you can understand then the
height that was around that, the height that he got
the Clemson they went on what national championship his freshman year,
So that was where this all comes from. It saysn't
that that one playoff game. Well, this comes from no,
(20:38):
this comes from the fact that we looked at him
as a generational talent. That's how we viewed it. It was,
that's what it is. It's not a playoff game. Okay,
just say it.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
None of it was. They doubled down on that and
gave him the contract. What what led you to believe
after everything you've seen early on in his career that
he was deserving of that contract. They double down on it,
and since then the numbers have played out exactly that
they have majority of his career exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And the problem was is this was their predicament. They
had commit to one of the two. It was either
gonna be Trevor Lawrence or Doug Peterson. And here's the
reality of it. Committing to Trevor Lawrence the way they
did that early and his rookie his rookie deal is
actually the best decision they could have made because if
(21:26):
they need to get from out underneath it here in
a year or two, they can't. And it's much more
reasonable than waiting until he pushed closer and closer to
free agency, where that number goes up. So that's the difference,
is they actually made a wise decision in that regard,
and there might be a suitor for him somewhere out
there as we look across the league and see poor
(21:48):
quarterback play. I mean, you could go through a number
of teams right now that may say, hey, we're interested
in him. I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously
kill Williams dropped the number one overall. We'll see this
thing goes, but we can have a conversation at some
point today show about whether or not they're having some
buyers remorse. Maybe they would have had rather had justin fields.
You know, we'll see where things go. You know, down
(22:09):
the line with Will Levis. The Titans are zero to three.
You know, they're they're talking about a potential quarterback change,
or at least that's already coming up. So that's something
to discuss at some point. I mean, you go through
the Giants, they're probably gonna be looking for a new
quarterback at some point. Even though Danny Dimes was bawling
out this past week, the Panthers all roll with Andy Dalton.
(22:30):
Oh yeah, so that's another team that I think, you know,
he's not getting any younger. They'll eventually be looking for
someone as well, we don't even know to his health
or situation if he comes back. When he comes back, like,
I can keep going if you want. There's gonna be
spots and opportunities for a guy like Trevor Lawrence to
get picked up by another team. I mean the Detroit Lions. Yes,
they've got Jared Goff and he's playing some really good
(22:52):
football right now. At some point they'll have to start
thinking about life after Jared Goff. There's all these places
and teams or jets after life after Aaron Rodgers. They're
gonna have to find out at some point, like who's
that next guy coming in? There's plenty of teams that
would love to work with Trevorlward's a skill set and
say we don't feel like he was being developed. We
don't feel like he was in a great situation there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Why isn't it working, Like because they've got a ton of.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, Doug Peterson's not calling the plays and that's the
biggest issue. He needs to get back over calling the plays.
It was an issue last year Press Taylor, you know,
and the system that they're running. In my opinion, I
still don't think some of these teams are built the
proper way where they built. It was one of the
reasons why if you look at Joe Olton. Granted, you know,
probably a bad time to say because Justin Herbert got
banged up this past week, but you know, you build
(23:39):
through the offensive line in the trenches and then you
you know, worry about the other pieces because it's hard
trying to throw the football off your back. I feel
like at times there's too much pressure. At times you know,
they're everything, and I've talked about this was a Pete forever.
If you go out and look at their pass charts,
you'll see half the time everything's spread a horizontally. It's
like nothing over the middle. They never have a consistent
run game. Their defensive spot. At best, it's a team
(24:02):
that's trying to be held up by a first overall
pick at quarterback that's now in a second contract and
they don't have the pieces around the quarterback position. I
would go as far as saying this, if you look
at some of the teams right now that are three
to zero, probably with the exception see Chiefs. Even though
you know, I think even Patrick Mahomes would say he's
he's not getting into a rhythm early in games. Look
(24:23):
at the Steelers, what's their identity defense? They've been running
the football fields, has played well in some spots, but
I mean the Vikings are probably the only team you
might say, well, Darnold's balled out so far, but it's
the entirety of their team. Like I think, as we
look at the NFL, how they're paying quarterbacks sixty million
now with Dak steel will probably be more than that
for some others who re upp I think it's trending
(24:46):
backwards to Yeah, but if we want to pay a
quarterback that much, great, But there they might be zero
and three out the gate then because we don't have
any money to pay anyone else and the team stinks
around them, and the quarterback can only do so much.
I mean, you know, getting pressure wrong. Office back has
no one that can separate, has no running game. So
if the quarterback wants that, that's fine, but you're might
be often.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Oh the three start. I wonder if they would make
an end season change. I know they did with urban Meyer,
and look, there was a lot more to that than
just then.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I saw a tweet by the way that asked the question,
did Trevor Lawrence ruin Urban Myers NFL career, tang I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Jonas, look, I don't even know how far I can
take this. Listen, there's a lot there, all right, but.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It certainly wasn't Heim sitting in a restaurant conversing with
the friendly business. It was mine in his business.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Man. I mean you, you can't help it.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
If the DJ plays freakally and somebody you know loses
their mind and starts dropping it like it is hot.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I mean, I mean, yeah, what do you what do
you wanted to do?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
What I'm saying, I mean, they gonna judge that man
like that, And how you're looking at it, and you're saying,
did we get rid of the wrong person?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Used to start a big new and kickoff? What do
you want? Jonas? I just listen. I I wonder would
they make would they make any season change? Jesus would they?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And I also thought this if you were.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
If Jonas answer the question, Jonas.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I'm non committal on the topic.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I've heard that voice before, man, I think I heard it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yester oh Man.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Jonas talk about the playoff game.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Jonas, that was a great queue up. It was a
great que half one half of football, one half a
football in a playoff game in which was more of
a collapse by the Chargers than it was.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I've got vinyls and I've got somewhere, you know, And
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know
it's Skips that keeps going back to I know, I know,
I know, like Jonas will always go back to certain things.
Rex Grossman Kyle Orton coin flip before?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Did I tell you that story? By the way, Yeah,
in training camp he was talking about that. What happened?
All right, So check this out and I'm glad you
brought it up. So apparently in training camp they were
trying to decide who was going to start, you know,
one of the preseason games, and so Lovey Smith said
that he flipped a coin between Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman.
You guys didn't know that. Yeah, true story right there.
That's one of them. That's the actually a tough.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Game though this you're like Pete, you have a lot
in common with Pete Prisco. This playoff game will be
the other one that you're he's going to go back
to forever with Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence could be on
another team and Jonas will still go back to Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, it's called remembering where you came from, and he
came from a playoff game in which he played one
half of good football. He was awful in the first half,
and because of that, I think myself included overrated that
team going into last year and overrated him going into
this year.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I think you need to watch him Jaguars football a
little bit more to get a little a little wider.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What are you talking about it, I watched Jacksonville Jaguars football.
I know what happened.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think you realize they have a lot more issues
than just going back to one half of football in
a playoff game where you feel like everyone was sold.
There's that that was exactly what happened there.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
There's a lot of talent there, and you're telling me
it's just because Doug Peterson doesn't want to call plays.
Why doesn't he want to call plays? Like if his job?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Because he doesn't want to call plays. I think at
some point he will take over play.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Calling because when the owner comes out and says and
basically puts everybody on blast this offseason, like seod Con did,
my expectation was, well, Doug, why take any chances? Doug
Peterson is going to call plays like if his job's
on the line, and the owner already came out and
said that, why why are we messing around?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
And now you can always move on from a coordinator
earlier in the season and then keep your job for
the rest of the season. If you're not the one
calling plays. If this is go to the one calling plays,
you get clipped.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
If this is going the way it's going the rest
of the year, Doug Peterson is gone. So why are
we messing around?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
As Ode three? Yeah, I'd say that's.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
A pretty parasign. I just I don't know, like, what
if this keeps going on there?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Eight?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, so what do you what do you want to do?
Fire his offensive coordinator after he gets fired?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
First off, I'm not advocating for firing anyone.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
All right, Yeah, why are you calling for jobs here
on the show?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I'm saying. I'm saying that he's going to have to
take over play calling, dude, just full time. We'll talk
to the mayor of Jacksonville, p Prisco about this, and
he'll say something along the lines up you know, he'll
probably say some similar sentiments to the horizontal you know,
the line play and all that, Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You want to predict what he's going to say, like
what's going to be?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I just need you two of the things right. So here,
let's let's put on the bingo card, folks, everyone who's
listening to this. Prisco will talk about the offensive line play.
He'll talk about probably maybe even lack of running game
when he says it, but protection will be part of that.
He will talk about the horizontal play calling by Press Taylor.
He will address Trevor Lawrence though, and he'll say what
(29:58):
we've all said, like he is not developed into the
quarterback we thought he would be. He has been inconsistent
at times inaccurate. He'll he'll talk about those he'll talk
about those three things. He may mention the defense. He
probably won't though he doesn't really care about defense, LeVar.
He just thinks every quarterback should win every single game.
That it's not like a team game. So I don't
(30:19):
think he'll mention the defense. But those are the three things.
Lee f eight this. We can play it back after
Pete comes on and we'll see how accurate this.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Was a couple By the way, real quick.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Who is I'm trying to think he's gonna gloat about
Buffalo because he's going to be big on that, and
there's like one or two others he's going to try
to uh, he'll, he'll, I think he'll trying to think.
I think he liked Jaden better than Caleb too.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Brady.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, you can't both do it only I know, I
know we're up against.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
By the way this show, both do it. Stay tuned
because you'll hear about Draftking why not offer throughout the
show DraftKings, the crown is yours. Coming up next here though,
we are going to tell you about a player in
the NFL, a star in the NFL who took a
trip recently and it could mean bad news.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
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Speaker 2 (31:56):
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Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
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Speaker 1 (32:05):
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Speaker 9 (32:09):
Good morning everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady, Good
morning LaVar.
Speaker 10 (32:13):
Who everybody's having a good morning morning guys. In case
you missed the Hey LeVar, Hey guys, in case you
missed this fort ninders running back. Chritian McCaffrey is uh
taking some concerning steps, hey Brady, regarding that achilles injury
that's been plaguing him. Apparently he's headed over to Germany
to see a specialist and is expected to stay there
for a few days.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, that's where they go.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It was the Germans now, yeah, what's what do they
spin blood? Is that that blood spinning out? They do
that here now? Yeah? They do.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
They can do it in Canada too. It's like Canada
or German aators are all them. Kobe went there, Kobe
went to a specialist there in Germany. I think maybe
Beckham went there. Does that sound right?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah? I know.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I think someone started it, and then everyone's kind of
been going there because they've had some great results. But LaVar,
you know you you're suffering an achilles injury.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean that's I've never done that stuff. I've never
that injury.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Serious.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah, everything, And and you can now that I
look back on it, you can feel the signs of
it before it happens, like your your achilles tendon like
starts like vibrating like.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
A like a violin strain.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you can feel yeah, bro, you can
feel the vibrations of.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
My wife never I gotta ask her, because she never
really said she could feel things before. She just felt
it was kind of tight.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It was tight, it was tight, and then you just
feel it like like it had this weird vibrating feeling
to it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
She also hates me right now and has no feelings
towards anyone. That's what happens when you're you know, well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
You know she's going through some things. Yeah, yeah, changes
the changes, that's right. Yeah, Okay, what else you got guys?
In case you missed this, uh, Carson Steele off top
Brady up. Got a little bit of a team to this.
In case you missed it.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Yeah, obviously he played for the Chiefs this weekend started
and placed some Isaipah.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
They were so they were so enamored by him, they
just kept covering them and covering them.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
What sound like there?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I mean, I gotta tell you like a credit to
lead to laugh. He's done it yet again and this
time and in case you miss it, he worked in
two white running back stories.
Speaker 11 (34:25):
Golly, his white running back. You know he has an
alligator in his house. I wouldn't go in his house.
He's got a guard. He got a guard alligator?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
What what's a what do you got on this second
white running back?
Speaker 9 (34:41):
Well, good for him, had a great game filling in
as the starting spot. But before that he was scheduled
to be the groomsman for his sister's wedding, so he
skipped that. Lots of video surfacing of them celebrating watching
the game at his had.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
To leave the alligator at home though those were the
alligator sitters, so I don't know how that works. And
then when they showed the picture, his mouth was take shut.
I just don't know what type of life that is
for you to live if you're a mister alligator man.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
The egine neighbors cat gets in the yard. Imagine if
there was a rat in there.
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