October 17, 2024 • 37 mins
Travis Hunter argues he should be the Heisman favorite. Albert Breer gives insight into the Davante Adams trade and potential moves ahead of the trade deadline. Plus, a parlay party, Lee’s Leftovers and much more!
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe Podcast with LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox, and
myself Brady Quinn. Make sure you catch us live weekdays
six to nine am Eastern or three am to six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. You can find your
local station for the Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe show over at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream
(00:20):
us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Let's give this part. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We can disagree on music, can't disagree on this banger.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I think it stinks. I mean, that's just that is
really insulting.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I hate that song.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I have noticed that you you don't like our one
music or our three, but our two year okaying a theme?
Did you get that new people and your music?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Dare you? Guys?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You can hang out with us here on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across
the country. Wherever you are making us a part of
your Thursday morning. We appreciate it. We'll be taking you
all the way up till the end of this hour
nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific, and we do
it all live from the tire rack dot Com studios.
Tire rack dot com. We'll help you get there an
unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road hazard protection, and
(01:33):
over ten thousand recommended installers. Tire rack dot com the
way tire buying should be. So, we've got our parlay
party we're gonna throw here in a few minutes. We're
gonna pick, you know, some moneyline picks and kind of
put together some games and then try and make you
a little bit of cash here courtesy of our friends
(01:54):
at DraftKings. We do it every single week here on
the show. We'll get the results on that here. Shortly
looking of DraftKings, the favorite to win the Heisman Trophy
is Ashton Genty from Boise State, who's just.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Having a monster year.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Every time you turn him on the game and you
see him rushing for you know, one fifty to two
hundred yards a game, rattling off another fifty to seventy
yard touchdown run like he's been phenomenal. The running back
for Boise State, and so you know, the conversation becomes
who else could be in consideration. Dylan Gabriel is second
on the list from DraftKings, is pointed out by Brady
(02:31):
had the game of his career against Ohio State over
the weekend. And another guy who may be the best
player in college football is Travis Hunter from Colorado, and
he spoke recently with the Out of Pocket podcast about
his Heisman consideration.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Yall see Aston jen Genty, But it's not like we
haven't seen a running back that's good, right, we haven't
seen a player that plays both ways. And I'm gonna
keep saying that. It's like he have ninety what I
think ninety five carries? Yeah, for a thousand thousand yards.
If I had ninety five kitches, how much yards you
think I have? So I'm trying to tell him like that,
(03:07):
ninety five targets on defense, what do you think I have?
Ninety five catches on offense? What do you think I'll have?
So I try to take you like I have. He
got double the touches I got on the offense side
of the ball, and I still have defensive staff that's
still crazy and only in the week fix. Yeah, so
you know, I'm not gonna argue about it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
So it's one way to campaign for your name. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So, look, Travis Hunter is a rare, rare athlete, rare
player that we've seen in college football. You know, what
he's doing in some instances is unprecedented in a way.
I mean, look, Miles Jack played both ways during his
time at UCLA, Shaq Thompson at Washington. You can go
back to the Chris Campbell days. I don't know that
anyone's done it quite as frequent as he has.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
He got injured last year, he got injured, this this,
you know past week versus Kansas State. You know, missed
some time. So you you know that snap count when
it goes down, it doesn't help as much. And part
of the issue is he's so good teams don't really
want to throw at him, so it's hard to then
have defensive stats. The offensive stats will be there, but again,
(04:13):
it hurts when he gets hurt. Here's the problem with
his entire premise and his discussion or argument. Okay, he
actually made the case for why Ashton Genty should win
the Heisman. Okay, this is why he talked about if
he had ninety five receptions. Okay, Well, when you're throwing
the football, it's easier to have more yards per reception.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Can everyone agree on that?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay, he's averaging like twelve yards per catch, which is
you know, fine, it's not leading their team. In fact,
as far as the average, he's the leading receiver on
the team in that regard, but it's not like leading
it anyway. Ashton genty averages ten yards per rushing attempt
like that is one of the most ridiculou with stats,
(05:01):
and it's why he's in the lead right now for
the highestman also a seventeen touchdown. So yes, he's got
one hundred and twenty six rushing attempts. But that's kind
of how it works, right, Like you tend to run
the football more and get more touches as a running back,
and it's much harder, by the way, to average of
yards per carry like that. Like in most cases, he
(05:23):
is double some of the best running backs in college
football who are averaging four or five yards per attempt.
He is averaging it first down every time he touches
the football. That is absurd and it's one of the
reasons why, like, you can't do the whole well if
I had ninety five receptions, because it's like, well, yeah,
you should have more yards. If you have ninety five receptions,
(05:44):
you can run forty yards downfield, turn around and catch
the football. In order for him to run forty yards downfield,
he has to run through dudes to get there for
the most part. And that's what's even more impressive about it.
If he's averaging ten yards per attempt, which he is,
seven yards per attempt are coming after contact. So think
(06:06):
about that. He's hitting someone maybe three yards downfield, let's say,
on average, and he's getting seven more yards after that
on average as part of that. So I'm not sure
that's the best argument to be made for a Heisman candidacy.
If your drafts hunter to try to do a touch
for touch comparison when you're playing wide receiver versus a
(06:26):
guy who's playing running back. So look, they're both very
deserving of the award. Obviously, different players, different positions, But
I would stick to the I'd stick to the narrative
of like, hey man, I'm a two way player, like
full time like this, and hopefully he stays healthy and
hopefully Colorado stays in the hunt for the Big twelve
because it feels like it's gonna be hard for them
(06:48):
to make a playoff spot unless they win the conference. Bois,
on the other hand, may be that group of fourteen
or excuse me, a group of five team that can
win their conference and then make it into the playoff.
And if they do, that's even more momentum for Ashton
Genty doing the Heisman.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
I mean, I didn't even pay attention to Genty until
I heard you guys talking about him. And since I've done,
you know, some film review on him and you know,
and have caught a game since you know, since learning
about him, I mean, the kid is pretty special and
what he is that he's able to do, and he's
drawing comparisons. You know, people are putting up the graphic
(07:25):
of how quickly Barry Sanders got to the yardage he
did his Heisman year versus what Genty is doing right now,
and it's pretty staggering to see, you know, what his
you know, his level of success has been this season
as far as you know, him utilizing the conversation of
(07:47):
going both ways. That's you know, to some people that
might It is a great feat to be able to
play both ways at the college level, but I think
people should also understand that that's something.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
That a coach decides to do.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
That's generally, if I'm looking at this the right way,
Colorado may not have enough talent where having as talented
a player as Travis Hunter is that you don't use
him both ways. The reality of it is is that
there are a ton of guys that could go both
(08:27):
ways that come out of high school. In fact, most
players played both ways coming out of high school going
into college. It's the fact of the matter that you
have one hundred plus guys on a roster and you're
not needed to play both ways. Is generally the reason.
Like you look at what Charles Woodson did. Did they
(08:49):
need him on both sides of the ball. Did they
need him to do special teams? Not necessarily, but they
got a boost by using Charles Woodson that they need
Chance Bailey to do the same thing that Charles Woodson
did when he was at Georgia. No, they didn't need
him to do it. But did it give him an advantage?
Maybe maybe it did, But but that was a coach's decision.
(09:13):
That's a coach's decision because there are a ton of
guys that could go both ways. So I don't I
feel like that's an overstated piece of of it, is
that all, well, I go both ways, this, that, and
the other. It's because they chose to play you both ways.
It's because that is and what it looks like at Colorado,
it's necessary for him to go both ways. But I
(09:35):
don't I don't see that as like, yeah, you have
success on both sides of the ball, but don't don't
make it seem like, well, I'm doing something that other
people can't do. It's what they've chose to do with you,
and you're making the best of it. So to me,
I feel like, yeah, it's great to be able to
say you play both ways and you're being impactful on
both both sides of the field. But to me, I
(09:56):
think that it still comes down to, Okay, he has
made phenomenal plays on both sides of the ball, but
if he doesn't get enough burned because they're not going
to go out his side of the field, that's just
what it is. That's a part of it. If he
doesn't get it on the offensive side of the ball,
where they're giving him feeding him the ball to get
(10:18):
him those yardage. You can't sit there and say, well,
I'm so good, I don't get those those targets. They're
not throwing the ball my way when I'm on defense.
That that's not going to go into in my estimation,
that's not going to go into the consideration of you
being a Heisman candidate, especially if you're not competing for
(10:39):
a national title. You think about it, Charles Woodson got
the Heisman over a Peyton Manning in that year, and
it's only because they went undefeated and they won it all.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I think about that.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
There's a lot of phenomenons that hit when Charles Woodson
went both ways in college.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
You know, anything's cool about this whole thing, though, The
fact that a guy from Boys State in Colorado or
in the top three of the Heisman, well they're talking
about going number one overall, Right, that's like speculation of
Chador going number one again. There's not and I mean
that's Colorado. I don't think that this is I don't
want to make this like this is an indictment on
on Travis Hunter at all. I'm not attacking Travis Hunter.
(11:20):
He is well deserving of the accolades, and so is Genti's.
They're definitely deserving of their accolades. I'm just saying I've
just put some perspective on it. Is what I would say, that's.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
All like, if they were winning, if they were if
they were competing, if they were still undefeated and they're
competing for a national title, then maybe they're not targeting
their best receiver and they're losing the games because look
at their yardage, total yardage as an offense, or different
things like that. But this isn't a team that's competing
for a national title. So I think that the level
(11:53):
of expectation is different on looking at what the performance is.
Maybe for right or for wrong, I don't know, but
I just think it's different. If they're undefeated, we're looking
at Travis Hunter much differently, his coverage is much different.
If they're undefeeded and they're on a march for a
national title or going to the playoffs, Like, do we
(12:15):
think this team is going to make the playoffs? How
good is this team? And if this team is exactly
you said that.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, they're gonna have to win the Big Twelve because
you know they've they've already got a couple of losses now,
and that's the tough part is I don't know that
you're gonna get a lot of momentum for teams that
have two, maybe even three losses if they aren't playing
the Big Ten or SEC and if they aren't at
least playing in the conference championship game, which you know,
(12:41):
there's a lot of parody in the Big Twelve. I
will say this, like, if there's any conference that you
can maybe make a case for h maybe it is
the Big Twelve because there's so much parody. I mean,
there's like four or five teams you can make the
case that still could are in the running to win it.
I mean, one of the biggest games this weekend is
actually in Cincinnati, Ohio. It's ASU taking on the University
(13:02):
of Cincinnati, and Arizona State's going to be without their
starting quarterbacks Sam Levitt, who is banged up. So Jeff Simms,
the Nebraska transfer who is forming at Georgia Tech so
it's his third school now he'll actually start for Arizona State.
But this is huge for Arizona State stay in the
race and even in conference play. For Cincinnati still hanging
around as well despite their overall record. They're still in
(13:24):
the mix via conference play. So it's kind of weird
right now because we're in the midst of it. But
outside of like the big games, as far as top
twenty five matched up teams, you will not find more
parody or more fun matchups than in the Big twelve
right now in college football, you.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Guys are ready to party or what? Ready to do this?
Like parlay party? What We're gonna throw a parlay party here?
All right?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
So we do this every week here on the show.
We try and make it pretty simple out there. We
can give away a bunch.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Of US spreads and all that fun.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Stuff, but we're gonna make it simple. We're gonna throw
a parlay party. We're going to just pick straight up
winners in the NFL. We're going to pick three of them.
We're going to do the math and find out what
the payout would be here courtesy of our friends at Draftking.
So lead a lab. How do we do last week?
Was it we missed one of the three leg parlay
last week? I believe it was? Was it LeVar taking
(14:14):
Washington on the money line against Baltimore? That is correct,
ballsy pick? What do you mean is huh, they play
well just seven points away, but again that was at
least he went out on a limb, so that cost
us because he.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Needs a money line pits though, so he had to
pick the money line.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That's correct. There you go.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
This isn't picks against the spread. This is our money
line part.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But he probably if he'd picked Baltimore, who was a significance. No, right, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Could have picked the other side. Yeah, that's what he felt.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Man, he's feeling it all right.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
So who wants to go first here? Because you'd already
know how this works. If I make a pick, it's
going to come through. So I mean, I'll let you
guys go first if you want to go ahead, and.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm going to pick the Commanders, all right, to pick
Levar's former team taking on the Carolina Panthers, who are
one in five Inlando. So yeah, they're laying eight points.
This isn't gonna do much for juicing up our odds.
But I feel pretty confident in what Dan Quinn and
Jaden Daniels and this Washington Commando's team are building. So
(15:16):
here we go far.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Who you like?
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Well, who's the favorite in the Lions Vikings.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Gang the Vikings. Actually, yeah, they're giving a point a
half small.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
They're giving them a point and a half the Vikings.
So yeah, I'm gonna take the Lions on this one.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Okay, that'll help that that mix up for mine. There
you go, sticks picks.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
I'm going I'm going to take the Lions on this one.
I'm gonna take the Lions.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Let's try this, sticks picks.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Let's try this.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Let's try this. You sent what.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Sticks picks?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Okay? I just thought, if you say that real quick,
it sounds like something else but an approblem. That's why
I caught me off guard.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I forgot about it until until Larda played it. I'm like,
oh wait a minute, that does sound very simply all right,
So I'm gonna go out on a limb.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Here, Detroit Lions. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Out on a limb here, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Since you guys want to take these easy picks, I'm
gonna go out on a limb all sea. Yeah, I'll
take the Buffalo Bills on the money line against the
Tennessee Titans at home. The Bills are a minus four
fifty five on the money line there, So if you
were to go ahead and take the Bills on the
money line, the Commander's on the money line, and the
(16:36):
Lions on the money line. That means all you need
is for those three teams to win outright plus two eleven.
So if you bet one hundred dollars, you would bring
back three eleven. So that's a two eleven profit for you.
Here if all three of those hit, courtesy of our
friends at Draftkacks, here's your little parlaybel you thought that
was a good pick, a good choice.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's a ballsy pick?
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
What?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Bill's Titans? Why you think that's a ballsy picks?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
The Bills are only a nine and a half point favorite,
so I mean, clearly you know that's a gutsy pick
on my.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
End and the fact can tendency to beat the Bill.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
No, I'm taking the Bills right. What do you think
I'm crazy? That's okay. But that's a great thing about parlays.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You add enough of them in even if they're big
time money line favorites.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
I feel like the biggest stretch it is, it is,
and they're going to and I'm gonna deliver this week.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So Commanders, Lions and Bills I lost.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You give me a hard time, man, what.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Do you mean so, because you're the one who's making
the making our profit better by taking.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Your picks, but I'm making it worse if we lose it.
The other two got it right, right, Zonis and and
Q got it right last week. I was the only
one that I don't know, just need want to hit it.
I mean, I'd just be taking a chance to try
to make y'all's money, right. I mean, I felt like
it was good, good pick.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
You were close.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, it could go either way. It's almost to pick them.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
We were close. We were close, commanders almost got it.
I wish they would have got it. Yeah about that one,
well then, because then we would have got it, you know, Yeah, No, I.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Know, I just I didn't feel like they were overly close.
I like Baltimore kind of controlled that game.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I mean it came down to like a less.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Minute drive. I mean it was drive by drive. I'm
just saying.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I mean, if anybody should be held accountable for last week,
it's me who had Cleveland over or Philly over Cleveland.
Like that was that was a little too close for
comfort with being a significant favorite. But nonetheless, that is
our parlay party here, Curtius of our friends at DraftKings,
so you can go to DraftKings and throw on yourself
(18:45):
at any point throughout the course of the NFL weekend.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next year, though, we're
going to get the very latest on other potential movement
in the NFL with our guy Albert Brier right here
on FSR.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
Sports Radio. We've got Lee's Leftovers coming up here a
little over fifteen minute from row. But right now we
welcome in Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
at the MMQB, also the star of Amazon Primes Thursday
night football coverage.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Albert, what's happening? Good morning?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Hey, what's happening guys?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
All right, so we obviously know Davante Adams on the
move to the Jets, Mariy Cooper on the move to
the Bills, who's.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Next, Well, I think you know, the names you're going
to hear next are probably going to be the pass rushers.
There are enough teams. Obviously, Detroit goes into that market
now with Aiden Hutchinson down. I think Baltimore would be another.
So to hear names, you know, I mean, obviously Hassan
(20:02):
Reddick's name has been floated out there for quite some time.
He at the window to seek a trade, you know,
Gedevian Clowney in Carolina. I'd assume the Panthers get some
calls on him. To Darius Smith and Cleveland, I think
teams are gonna call on Miles Garrett. Whether or not
they'll get hung up on we'll see. But that to
(20:23):
me is the next position where I think you could
see maybe a couple of guys move. Doesn't mean there
won't be more receivers. There are still some names out there,
Deontay Johnson and uh Meo and Adam Celin in Carolina.
The Tennessee receivers, you know, DeAndre Hopkins obviously there. You know,
potentially maybe Treylon Burt's goes somewhere as a reclamation project.
(20:46):
But I'd say the pass rushers are probably the ones
that you're looking at next if there's like a real
big box move coming.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Some of the trade deadline is coming up week nine.
I know they've kicked around potentially pushing back to week ten.
Is that really what you'd kind of call for as
the rationale just behind the deadline even though we've got
a couple of weeks still. Is it more or less
just because they're like, hey, we feel like we need
to make a move now to help out our roster
in order to make a difference for a playoff run
(21:15):
at the later pour of the season.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know. And then moving
it back a week I think was sort of when
when when Andrew Berry and the Browns proposed that they
were the ones who brought it. It was sort of
based on what happens in other sports and the percentage
of the season that's gone in other sports. It actually like,
if you if you look at the percentage, football was
(21:37):
earlier in their calendar than hockey and baseball and basketball,
and obviously now you know with the seventeen game schedule,
there is the extra week on the back end, so
you know what they didn't want and what they're trying
to prevent and not putting it too leg They don't
want like just outright fire sales. You know, that's really
(21:59):
what you're trying too. You know, in football it's obviously
a little different too, and trying to incorporate guys into
your roster is a little harder doing football than maybe
there is another sports. But yeah, I mean I think
that that's you know that the I think what you'll
what you'll see over the next couple of weeks is
you know, gams at least having aggressive conversations. I don't
(22:20):
I don't know if if you know, you're going to
see a ton of moves, because generally doesn't work that way.
But you know, the tenor of the conversations has certainly
changed over the last decade. So I think there will
be some some gms going out there, you know, Buffalo,
Kansas City, the usual suspects, teams that are in it,
and uh, you know, Baltimore looking for ways to improve
(22:42):
their team and give themselves a better chance.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
In January and February, Abe talk to me a little
bit about Dallas, everything that's that's going on there. I mean,
you know, he gets uh, Jerry Jones has gotten upset
clearly be asked a question would you consider changing coaches
during the season. It sounds as though he took a
(23:04):
shot at WiDi Johnson. I don't know you could if
you could add to that or not any clarity on
that by him saying, you'd be an idiot to change
your coach right now during the season. But what what?
How are things going there? What is the latest? I
know there is a little fallout after how he responded
to being asked a question on the show that he
goes on. How how are how is that circulating right now?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Yeah? I mean I think there's a lot of frustration
in Dallas right now. And you know, I think the difference,
you know, this year versus years past is it's hard
to see the light at the end of the tunnel
for the Cowboys, you know, and you know, a lot
of it is the injury situation. You know, DeMarcus Lawrence
and Michael Parsons are out, and obviously that's gonna have
(23:48):
a huge impact on their ability to turn it around
on defense. And they weren't exactly playing great defense when
those guys were in there, So you know, like there's
that it's hard to see how this team is a
wiggle out of this one, you know, whereas in the past,
you know, like when the Cowboys have been in this spot,
maybe it's been a little easier for Jerry's at the
end of the tunnel, and you know, let's call it
(24:09):
where it is. I mean, the guy's in his eighties,
you know, so I think it's probably going to hit
him a little harder when he feels these opportunities slipping away.
And you know, especially when you've spent the sort of
money that he's spent over the summer on Dak Prescott
and Cdee Lamb and you know what they'd be expected
to spend on on on Michael Parsons. We'll see if
(24:32):
that comes to pass, you know. But I think it's
a lot of different things. And yeah, I mean I
don't know. Again, like I think that the main question
LeVar and the Jets blocker room after they fired Robert
Salla was what exactly is this going to accomplish? I
think you can apply the same logic to the Cowboys.
It's like, I mean, you get fired McCarthy. Maybe that
(24:53):
makes you feel better in the moment, but I mean,
do you really think that that's going to make your
football team better? Is that going to save your season.
Is there a guy that's staff or you're saying yes,
like if we put him in charge, everything's gonna flip.
I don't, I don't. I don't think. I think it's
really hard to see it that way if you're really
taking a hard look.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
At the Cowboys makes sense.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Rady. You
can get him on X at Albert Breer. It appears
that Russell Wilson's going to get his opportunity in Pittsburgh
to start, and it could be as soon as this week.
What what is behind the move for Mike Tomlin. Is
it just not getting enough from justin fields and the offense,
or is there the potential that maybe they're trying to
(25:35):
increase some trade value for one of these guys out there?
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Well, I think he said, didn't he say something along
the lines And Mike says a lot of interesting things,
but I think he said something along the lines of
don't confuse good for great, right. I think that's sort
of what it is is that you know, if they
do decide to do that, and you know, I know
that that the plan has been to kind of keep
the decision alive over the course of the week and
(26:00):
maybe make the guys compete for it and get a
good look at where both those guys are side by side.
And I've told you guys this, like and I it's
still It's still true. There are a lot of people
in that building who do not want the team to
go away from Justin Fields. The feel that Justin Fields
is the best answer for them right now, that Russell
Wilson will present limitations for the offense that Justin doesn't.
(26:24):
But here's the thing. I think if you, if you
make the decision now to go to Justin, I mean,
I don't even know if you can have Russell on
the team anymore, you know what I mean. Like, it's
I just think like you sort of you if you
make the decision now, yes we're going with Justin for
the rest of the year, then you you come to
that decision and you sort of take Russell Wilson out
(26:46):
of the equation. Whereas if you do switch to Russell
at least in the short term, you're kind of giving
yourself two cracks at it, where you say, Okay, we're
going to give Russell a little run here and maybe
he shows us something that we didn't see in the
spring in the summer, and if not, we can always
go back to Justin Albert.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I'm kind of curious. I want to go back to
the New York Jets if you wanted, for example, to
become I don't know, a play car or something. Do
you just have to hit up Aaron in order to
get that facilitated coming back or Mercedes Lewis. They're looking
to maybe trade for him to bring him back to
the roster which former Green Bay Packers that Aaron rodgerss
have played with that we could see reservicing there in
(27:27):
New York.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Well, MBS is available now, right, Like, so I guess
MVS might be the next one. I don't know. I
mean by kind of sounds like you want to try
your hang to play calling, like right, sure, you want
to hit him up?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, I mean I'm thinking about it, you know. I mean,
I haven't hung out with them as much as Nathaniel Hacketts.
I got to figure that out. But it feels like
right now Aaron Rodgers is calling all the shots. Is
that a fair assessment?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
I mean, I think it's fair to say that he
has an influence in the way they're putting the offense
together obviously, and like I think that the fact that
he was so willing to call out the chemistry issue
he had the other night with Mike Williams, and like
(28:10):
some of the frustration he's had with Garrett Wilson. I
think it's very easy to tie those things together with
the acquisition of of Devontae Adams, And it'll be interesting
to see what that means for the other guys, you know,
because now he's got you know, he's got Adams, who
I don't know if he's a true number one anymore,
(28:30):
but he's still a really really good player. And and
Aaron obviously has the the rapport with him, and then
you have Alan Lazard as sort of a reliable possession target.
So like, does Aaron start to lean a little bit
more on the guys he knows? And you know, I
know one thing about like these older quarterbacks Brady is
(28:52):
having you know, been around Brady a little bit and
knowing how Peyton Manning operates, like and I think Aaron's
the same way. It's this like if I tell you
to run it at eight yards, I don't I didn't mean
seven or nine, I mean running at eight yards.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
You know, and but that's every quarterback. I mean, that's
not unique to him, like that's just what your job is.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
It's not. But I think that that's like but I
think it's like even more so with those guys you know,
where they're less tolerant of a young player find well.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I think the difference is when you can literally get
guys traded or signed, it comes with a bit more gumph.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Behind it, right right, right right, And I think that
that's that's why like this acquisition, I mean, which very
clearly like, look, Aaron and DeVante engineered this outcome. I
told you guys a couple of weeks ago, like every
other team involved, so like there's no way like Davante
is just trying to get himself from New York. Aaron
and Davante are trying to engineer this. So like I
(29:52):
I think it's very clearly about Aaron having a comfort
level with the people that he's throwing to. And you
know I I I think that it only up the
urgency on that when you see some of the issues
that he's had with Mike Williams manifest and come out
so publicly, and some of the issues he's had connecting
(30:12):
with Carrot Wilson right there on the table.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
The hamstring is good for devout Adams, Right, that's all
of a sudden.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yeah, found some sort of like uh, fountain of youth
something like that.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Maybe maybe maybe maybe the flight healed them, you know,
like maybe the altitude like loosten them up.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
I don't know, I got one more for you. Speaking
of quarterbacks Cleveland, I mean they get rid of their
best receiver. But Stefanski says that, you know, he's he's
trying to make sure he puts the guys in the
games that give them the best opportunity to win, and
Deshaun Watson is one of those guys. What what is
(30:51):
the latest on that?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Do you do you.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Feel as though, because we had a nice little interesting
back and forth about it on the show, do you
feel like this is truth or is that tongue in cheek?
Is he is he taking it on one for the
team or is he truly in belief that Deshaun Watson
truly is the guy that gives them the best opportunity
to win.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yeah, I think he's taking one for the team, and
I don't think there's anything else he can say right now,
you know, I'm not a scout, I'm not a coach,
but I don't know how you could watch them play
and not think the quarterback is a problem. It's just
it's I think there's there's there's a long term piece
this or's term piece to it is is that they've
(31:36):
got ninety two million dollars fully guaranteed due to as
Shawn over the next two years. Over that two year period,
they're going to have one hundred and seventy two point
seven seven million dollars in cap charges to deal with.
I mean that is I mean we we a lot
of people talk about cap jail like that's real cap jail,
you know, like that's where that's so.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
He has to play or maybe like that's what it
comes down to this because of how much the guys
getting paid they have, the coach has to jack up
his job by playing him.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
I think I think the reality for the franchise is
that you're not getting out of this next year. Now,
maybe you can eat the money in twenty six, but
I don't know how you get out of this next year.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
You know, I've seen a model of how you do it.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
It's just really one of.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Those you trade. I mean it would have to be
like a brock oslil trade. I think, yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Could do that.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Or you give him a signing bonus and you cut
them next year and you're making a post June one
designation and then you're only on the hook for sixty
million and twenty twenty five and I believe sixty million
or something like that in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Only only no, but then but you still have but
you're still responsible for the fully gear. I mean, it's
but that's.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
What I'm saying is you're you're still you're paying it
out and I'm portion of it in the signing bonus
that you're just giving straight cash to cut them.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I mean, the fact that we're even having this conversation
is crazy, you know, like and I think so that
that brings me to the short term part of it, right,
which is where the rubber might meet the road, And
that's how can you keep something out of the locker room?
I thought, you know, I thought Mitch Schwartz, who you know,
played a lot of years and the Weak, had a good,
good tweet on this the other day, played for the
(33:15):
Chiefs and the Browns, and you know he mentioned, like
you know, like God knows what Miles Garrett's playing through,
and Joel Botonio like what he playing through, and like,
you know what it takes to get through an NFL season.
And as much as that those players like and respect
Kevin Stefanski, how much longer can Kevin have a hold
(33:36):
on them if they don't think he's giving him the
best chance to win every week? And that I think
is sort of the problem right now if you're Kevin Stefanski,
is like, how can you keep rolling out there, rolling
out there with Deshaun Watson and have your players convinced that,
like you are doing absolutely everything you can to win
the game that week? You know, Like I think that's
(33:57):
a that's a very real thing. And you guys know
that better than me. I mean, you guys are the
ones in the locker room, like I I think that
they're coming, Like, you know what, I'm not going to
go this week if this is what it's going to be,
Like I I'm going to protect myself. I've got free
agency to worry about, or I'm looking for a new contract.
I'm not going to push through the hamstring. I'm not
going to push through the shoulder. I think the problem
(34:18):
can really matesticize if they don't, if Ay, if de
Shaun doesn't start playing better, and right now, I don't know,
Guys like, there's not a ton of signs that that's
going to happen.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Get him on ex at Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB, and the star of
Amazon Primes Thursday night football coverage.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
AB. We appreciate it. We'll be watching tonight. Thanks so much.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Thanks for overstelling you. I think she had just the.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
At least we could do. I didn't want to ask
about os. Yeah, I knew he was going to do it.
I knew he was going to say I had that.
The did we ran out of time. His dog was
already pissed.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Its two prop of jail Here on Fox Sports Radios,
We're going to close up shop next with another edition
of Lee's Leftovers.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Right here on f be sure to catch live editions
of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LeVar Arrington, and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern,
three am Pacific.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas Knox with you here. We'll
be back on the air tomorrow for a football Friday
six am Eastern Time, three o'clock Pacific. And before we
close up shop here today with Lee's Leftovers, want to
remind you that shortly after the show, the podcast will
be going up, so if you've missed any of it,
be sure to check out the pod. Search two pros
(35:33):
wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to also follow
rate and review it again. Just search two pros wherever
you get your podcast. You'll see this show posted right
after we get off the air.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
These might smell.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
A little fun cake.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
What does that? Sounds incredible?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
But they're still good. Time to find out what's left.
It's Lee's left Jovers.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
All right, lead to lap what we got.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Guys, you might have remembered web back in the Olympics,
we're here. They sent home a swimmer. Her name was
Luana Alonzo. She's from Paraguay for inappropriate for creating an
inappropriate atmosphere basically taking a bunch of pictures dressing skimp skimpy,
uh kind of doing her thing.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Well.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Now she's paired up with a company called Real Doll
where they've made. They've made models of her feet where
you could buy these models for two thousand each, thirty
five hundred for the pair, spend an extra five hundred
dollars for her autograph. Yeah, Rex, Rex Ryot, it's right
up Rex Ryan's it's Adia Investor.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Can I ask this question? Why just her feet? I
mean she uh you know.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
She does she does pretty well on OnlyFans.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, like she does really well on only fans.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
Just her only our feet, just her feet at some
red nail polish on it.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I don't want to judge anybody like, and I don't
want to be cruel.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
If you buy these, you're a loser. I just want
to say that.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't know it's a loser. You're just weird. That's
just a weird thing to purchase.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Like you imagine like opening that box in front of somebody.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Now, what'd you get?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Feet? You know, some feet?
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Feet?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Damn you think it comes with a foot smell?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Spray smells just like her. So gross man
Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe Podcast with LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox, and
myself Brady Quinn. Make sure you catch us live weekdays
six to nine am Eastern or three am to six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. You can find your
local station for the Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe show over at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream
(00:20):
us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Let's give this part. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We can disagree on music, can't disagree on this banger.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I think it stinks. I mean, that's just that is
really insulting.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I hate that song.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I have noticed that you you don't like our one
music or our three, but our two year okaying a theme?
Did you get that new people and your music?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Dare you? Guys?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You can hang out with us here on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across
the country. Wherever you are making us a part of
your Thursday morning. We appreciate it. We'll be taking you
all the way up till the end of this hour
nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific, and we do
it all live from the tire rack dot Com studios.
Tire rack dot com. We'll help you get there an
unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road hazard protection, and
(01:33):
over ten thousand recommended installers. Tire rack dot com the
way tire buying should be. So, we've got our parlay
party we're gonna throw here in a few minutes. We're
gonna pick, you know, some moneyline picks and kind of
put together some games and then try and make you
a little bit of cash here courtesy of our friends
(01:54):
at DraftKings. We do it every single week here on
the show. We'll get the results on that here. Shortly
looking of DraftKings, the favorite to win the Heisman Trophy
is Ashton Genty from Boise State, who's just.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Having a monster year.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Every time you turn him on the game and you
see him rushing for you know, one fifty to two
hundred yards a game, rattling off another fifty to seventy
yard touchdown run like he's been phenomenal. The running back
for Boise State, and so you know, the conversation becomes
who else could be in consideration. Dylan Gabriel is second
on the list from DraftKings, is pointed out by Brady
(02:31):
had the game of his career against Ohio State over
the weekend. And another guy who may be the best
player in college football is Travis Hunter from Colorado, and
he spoke recently with the Out of Pocket podcast about
his Heisman consideration.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Yall see Aston jen Genty, But it's not like we
haven't seen a running back that's good, right, we haven't
seen a player that plays both ways. And I'm gonna
keep saying that. It's like he have ninety what I
think ninety five carries? Yeah, for a thousand thousand yards.
If I had ninety five kitches, how much yards you
think I have? So I'm trying to tell him like that,
(03:07):
ninety five targets on defense, what do you think I have?
Ninety five catches on offense? What do you think I'll have?
So I try to take you like I have. He
got double the touches I got on the offense side
of the ball, and I still have defensive staff that's
still crazy and only in the week fix. Yeah, so
you know, I'm not gonna argue about it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
So it's one way to campaign for your name. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So, look, Travis Hunter is a rare, rare athlete, rare
player that we've seen in college football. You know, what
he's doing in some instances is unprecedented in a way.
I mean, look, Miles Jack played both ways during his
time at UCLA, Shaq Thompson at Washington. You can go
back to the Chris Campbell days. I don't know that
anyone's done it quite as frequent as he has.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
He got injured last year, he got injured, this this,
you know past week versus Kansas State. You know, missed
some time. So you you know that snap count when
it goes down, it doesn't help as much. And part
of the issue is he's so good teams don't really
want to throw at him, so it's hard to then
have defensive stats. The offensive stats will be there, but again,
(04:13):
it hurts when he gets hurt. Here's the problem with
his entire premise and his discussion or argument. Okay, he
actually made the case for why Ashton Genty should win
the Heisman. Okay, this is why he talked about if
he had ninety five receptions. Okay, Well, when you're throwing
the football, it's easier to have more yards per reception.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Can everyone agree on that?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay, he's averaging like twelve yards per catch, which is
you know, fine, it's not leading their team. In fact,
as far as the average, he's the leading receiver on
the team in that regard, but it's not like leading
it anyway. Ashton genty averages ten yards per rushing attempt
like that is one of the most ridiculou with stats,
(05:01):
and it's why he's in the lead right now for
the highestman also a seventeen touchdown. So yes, he's got
one hundred and twenty six rushing attempts. But that's kind
of how it works, right, Like you tend to run
the football more and get more touches as a running back,
and it's much harder, by the way, to average of
yards per carry like that. Like in most cases, he
(05:23):
is double some of the best running backs in college
football who are averaging four or five yards per attempt.
He is averaging it first down every time he touches
the football. That is absurd and it's one of the
reasons why, like, you can't do the whole well if
I had ninety five receptions, because it's like, well, yeah,
you should have more yards. If you have ninety five receptions,
(05:44):
you can run forty yards downfield, turn around and catch
the football. In order for him to run forty yards downfield,
he has to run through dudes to get there for
the most part. And that's what's even more impressive about it.
If he's averaging ten yards per attempt, which he is,
seven yards per attempt are coming after contact. So think
(06:06):
about that. He's hitting someone maybe three yards downfield, let's say,
on average, and he's getting seven more yards after that
on average as part of that. So I'm not sure
that's the best argument to be made for a Heisman candidacy.
If your drafts hunter to try to do a touch
for touch comparison when you're playing wide receiver versus a
(06:26):
guy who's playing running back. So look, they're both very
deserving of the award. Obviously, different players, different positions, But
I would stick to the I'd stick to the narrative
of like, hey man, I'm a two way player, like
full time like this, and hopefully he stays healthy and
hopefully Colorado stays in the hunt for the Big twelve
because it feels like it's gonna be hard for them
(06:48):
to make a playoff spot unless they win the conference. Bois,
on the other hand, may be that group of fourteen
or excuse me, a group of five team that can
win their conference and then make it into the playoff.
And if they do, that's even more momentum for Ashton
Genty doing the Heisman.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
I mean, I didn't even pay attention to Genty until
I heard you guys talking about him. And since I've done,
you know, some film review on him and you know,
and have caught a game since you know, since learning
about him, I mean, the kid is pretty special and
what he is that he's able to do, and he's
drawing comparisons. You know, people are putting up the graphic
(07:25):
of how quickly Barry Sanders got to the yardage he
did his Heisman year versus what Genty is doing right now,
and it's pretty staggering to see, you know, what his
you know, his level of success has been this season
as far as you know, him utilizing the conversation of
(07:47):
going both ways. That's you know, to some people that
might It is a great feat to be able to
play both ways at the college level, but I think
people should also understand that that's something.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
That a coach decides to do.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
That's generally, if I'm looking at this the right way,
Colorado may not have enough talent where having as talented
a player as Travis Hunter is that you don't use
him both ways. The reality of it is is that
there are a ton of guys that could go both
(08:27):
ways that come out of high school. In fact, most
players played both ways coming out of high school going
into college. It's the fact of the matter that you
have one hundred plus guys on a roster and you're
not needed to play both ways. Is generally the reason.
Like you look at what Charles Woodson did. Did they
(08:49):
need him on both sides of the ball. Did they
need him to do special teams? Not necessarily, but they
got a boost by using Charles Woodson that they need
Chance Bailey to do the same thing that Charles Woodson
did when he was at Georgia. No, they didn't need
him to do it. But did it give him an advantage?
Maybe maybe it did, But but that was a coach's decision.
(09:13):
That's a coach's decision because there are a ton of
guys that could go both ways. So I don't I
feel like that's an overstated piece of of it, is
that all, well, I go both ways, this, that, and
the other. It's because they chose to play you both ways.
It's because that is and what it looks like at Colorado,
it's necessary for him to go both ways. But I
(09:35):
don't I don't see that as like, yeah, you have
success on both sides of the ball, but don't don't
make it seem like, well, I'm doing something that other
people can't do. It's what they've chose to do with you,
and you're making the best of it. So to me,
I feel like, yeah, it's great to be able to
say you play both ways and you're being impactful on
both both sides of the field. But to me, I
(09:56):
think that it still comes down to, Okay, he has
made phenomenal plays on both sides of the ball, but
if he doesn't get enough burned because they're not going
to go out his side of the field, that's just
what it is. That's a part of it. If he
doesn't get it on the offensive side of the ball,
where they're giving him feeding him the ball to get
(10:18):
him those yardage. You can't sit there and say, well,
I'm so good, I don't get those those targets. They're
not throwing the ball my way when I'm on defense.
That that's not going to go into in my estimation,
that's not going to go into the consideration of you
being a Heisman candidate, especially if you're not competing for
(10:39):
a national title. You think about it, Charles Woodson got
the Heisman over a Peyton Manning in that year, and
it's only because they went undefeated and they won it all.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I think about that.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
There's a lot of phenomenons that hit when Charles Woodson
went both ways in college.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
You know, anything's cool about this whole thing, though, The
fact that a guy from Boys State in Colorado or
in the top three of the Heisman, well they're talking
about going number one overall, Right, that's like speculation of
Chador going number one again. There's not and I mean
that's Colorado. I don't think that this is I don't
want to make this like this is an indictment on
on Travis Hunter at all. I'm not attacking Travis Hunter.
(11:20):
He is well deserving of the accolades, and so is Genti's.
They're definitely deserving of their accolades. I'm just saying I've
just put some perspective on it. Is what I would say, that's.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
All like, if they were winning, if they were if
they were competing, if they were still undefeated and they're
competing for a national title, then maybe they're not targeting
their best receiver and they're losing the games because look
at their yardage, total yardage as an offense, or different
things like that. But this isn't a team that's competing
for a national title. So I think that the level
(11:53):
of expectation is different on looking at what the performance is.
Maybe for right or for wrong, I don't know, but
I just think it's different. If they're undefeated, we're looking
at Travis Hunter much differently, his coverage is much different.
If they're undefeeded and they're on a march for a
national title or going to the playoffs, Like, do we
(12:15):
think this team is going to make the playoffs? How
good is this team? And if this team is exactly
you said that.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, they're gonna have to win the Big Twelve because
you know they've they've already got a couple of losses now,
and that's the tough part is I don't know that
you're gonna get a lot of momentum for teams that
have two, maybe even three losses if they aren't playing
the Big Ten or SEC and if they aren't at
least playing in the conference championship game, which you know,
(12:41):
there's a lot of parody in the Big Twelve. I
will say this, like, if there's any conference that you
can maybe make a case for h maybe it is
the Big Twelve because there's so much parody. I mean,
there's like four or five teams you can make the
case that still could are in the running to win it.
I mean, one of the biggest games this weekend is
actually in Cincinnati, Ohio. It's ASU taking on the University
(13:02):
of Cincinnati, and Arizona State's going to be without their
starting quarterbacks Sam Levitt, who is banged up. So Jeff Simms,
the Nebraska transfer who is forming at Georgia Tech so
it's his third school now he'll actually start for Arizona State.
But this is huge for Arizona State stay in the
race and even in conference play. For Cincinnati still hanging
around as well despite their overall record. They're still in
(13:24):
the mix via conference play. So it's kind of weird
right now because we're in the midst of it. But
outside of like the big games, as far as top
twenty five matched up teams, you will not find more
parody or more fun matchups than in the Big twelve
right now in college football, you.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Guys are ready to party or what? Ready to do this?
Like parlay party? What We're gonna throw a parlay party here?
All right?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
So we do this every week here on the show.
We try and make it pretty simple out there. We
can give away a bunch.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Of US spreads and all that fun.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Stuff, but we're gonna make it simple. We're gonna throw
a parlay party. We're going to just pick straight up
winners in the NFL. We're going to pick three of them.
We're going to do the math and find out what
the payout would be here courtesy of our friends at Draftking.
So lead a lab. How do we do last week?
Was it we missed one of the three leg parlay
last week? I believe it was? Was it LeVar taking
(14:14):
Washington on the money line against Baltimore? That is correct,
ballsy pick? What do you mean is huh, they play
well just seven points away, but again that was at
least he went out on a limb, so that cost
us because he.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Needs a money line pits though, so he had to
pick the money line.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That's correct. There you go.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
This isn't picks against the spread. This is our money
line part.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But he probably if he'd picked Baltimore, who was a significance. No, right, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Could have picked the other side. Yeah, that's what he felt.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Man, he's feeling it all right.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
So who wants to go first here? Because you'd already
know how this works. If I make a pick, it's
going to come through. So I mean, I'll let you
guys go first if you want to go ahead, and.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm going to pick the Commanders, all right, to pick
Levar's former team taking on the Carolina Panthers, who are
one in five Inlando. So yeah, they're laying eight points.
This isn't gonna do much for juicing up our odds.
But I feel pretty confident in what Dan Quinn and
Jaden Daniels and this Washington Commando's team are building. So
(15:16):
here we go far.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Who you like?
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Well, who's the favorite in the Lions Vikings.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Gang the Vikings. Actually, yeah, they're giving a point a
half small.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
They're giving them a point and a half the Vikings.
So yeah, I'm gonna take the Lions on this one.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Okay, that'll help that that mix up for mine. There
you go, sticks picks.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
I'm going I'm going to take the Lions on this one.
I'm gonna take the Lions.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Let's try this, sticks picks.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Let's try this.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Let's try this. You sent what.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Sticks picks?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Okay? I just thought, if you say that real quick,
it sounds like something else but an approblem. That's why
I caught me off guard.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I forgot about it until until Larda played it. I'm like,
oh wait a minute, that does sound very simply all right,
So I'm gonna go out on a limb.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Here, Detroit Lions. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Out on a limb here, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Since you guys want to take these easy picks, I'm
gonna go out on a limb all sea. Yeah, I'll
take the Buffalo Bills on the money line against the
Tennessee Titans at home. The Bills are a minus four
fifty five on the money line there, So if you
were to go ahead and take the Bills on the
money line, the Commander's on the money line, and the
(16:36):
Lions on the money line. That means all you need
is for those three teams to win outright plus two eleven.
So if you bet one hundred dollars, you would bring
back three eleven. So that's a two eleven profit for you.
Here if all three of those hit, courtesy of our
friends at Draftkacks, here's your little parlaybel you thought that
was a good pick, a good choice.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's a ballsy pick?
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
What?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Bill's Titans? Why you think that's a ballsy picks?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
The Bills are only a nine and a half point favorite,
so I mean, clearly you know that's a gutsy pick
on my.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
End and the fact can tendency to beat the Bill.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
No, I'm taking the Bills right. What do you think
I'm crazy? That's okay. But that's a great thing about parlays.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You add enough of them in even if they're big
time money line favorites.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
I feel like the biggest stretch it is, it is,
and they're going to and I'm gonna deliver this week.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So Commanders, Lions and Bills I lost.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You give me a hard time, man, what.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Do you mean so, because you're the one who's making
the making our profit better by taking.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Your picks, but I'm making it worse if we lose it.
The other two got it right, right, Zonis and and
Q got it right last week. I was the only
one that I don't know, just need want to hit it.
I mean, I'd just be taking a chance to try
to make y'all's money, right. I mean, I felt like
it was good, good pick.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
You were close.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, it could go either way. It's almost to pick them.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
We were close. We were close, commanders almost got it.
I wish they would have got it. Yeah about that one,
well then, because then we would have got it, you know, Yeah, No, I.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Know, I just I didn't feel like they were overly close.
I like Baltimore kind of controlled that game.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I mean it came down to like a less.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Minute drive. I mean it was drive by drive. I'm
just saying.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I mean, if anybody should be held accountable for last week,
it's me who had Cleveland over or Philly over Cleveland.
Like that was that was a little too close for
comfort with being a significant favorite. But nonetheless, that is
our parlay party here, Curtius of our friends at DraftKings,
so you can go to DraftKings and throw on yourself
(18:45):
at any point throughout the course of the NFL weekend.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next year, though, we're
going to get the very latest on other potential movement
in the NFL with our guy Albert Brier right here
on FSR.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
Sports Radio. We've got Lee's Leftovers coming up here a
little over fifteen minute from row. But right now we
welcome in Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
at the MMQB, also the star of Amazon Primes Thursday
night football coverage.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Albert, what's happening? Good morning?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Hey, what's happening guys?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
All right, so we obviously know Davante Adams on the
move to the Jets, Mariy Cooper on the move to
the Bills, who's.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Next, Well, I think you know, the names you're going
to hear next are probably going to be the pass rushers.
There are enough teams. Obviously, Detroit goes into that market
now with Aiden Hutchinson down. I think Baltimore would be another.
So to hear names, you know, I mean, obviously Hassan
(20:02):
Reddick's name has been floated out there for quite some time.
He at the window to seek a trade, you know,
Gedevian Clowney in Carolina. I'd assume the Panthers get some
calls on him. To Darius Smith and Cleveland, I think
teams are gonna call on Miles Garrett. Whether or not
they'll get hung up on we'll see. But that to
(20:23):
me is the next position where I think you could
see maybe a couple of guys move. Doesn't mean there
won't be more receivers. There are still some names out there,
Deontay Johnson and uh Meo and Adam Celin in Carolina.
The Tennessee receivers, you know, DeAndre Hopkins obviously there. You know,
potentially maybe Treylon Burt's goes somewhere as a reclamation project.
(20:46):
But I'd say the pass rushers are probably the ones
that you're looking at next if there's like a real
big box move coming.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Some of the trade deadline is coming up week nine.
I know they've kicked around potentially pushing back to week ten.
Is that really what you'd kind of call for as
the rationale just behind the deadline even though we've got
a couple of weeks still. Is it more or less
just because they're like, hey, we feel like we need
to make a move now to help out our roster
in order to make a difference for a playoff run
(21:15):
at the later pour of the season.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know. And then moving
it back a week I think was sort of when
when when Andrew Berry and the Browns proposed that they
were the ones who brought it. It was sort of
based on what happens in other sports and the percentage
of the season that's gone in other sports. It actually like,
if you if you look at the percentage, football was
(21:37):
earlier in their calendar than hockey and baseball and basketball,
and obviously now you know with the seventeen game schedule,
there is the extra week on the back end, so
you know what they didn't want and what they're trying
to prevent and not putting it too leg They don't
want like just outright fire sales. You know, that's really
(21:59):
what you're trying too. You know, in football it's obviously
a little different too, and trying to incorporate guys into
your roster is a little harder doing football than maybe
there is another sports. But yeah, I mean I think
that that's you know that the I think what you'll
what you'll see over the next couple of weeks is
you know, gams at least having aggressive conversations. I don't
(22:20):
I don't know if if you know, you're going to
see a ton of moves, because generally doesn't work that way.
But you know, the tenor of the conversations has certainly
changed over the last decade. So I think there will
be some some gms going out there, you know, Buffalo,
Kansas City, the usual suspects, teams that are in it,
and uh, you know, Baltimore looking for ways to improve
(22:42):
their team and give themselves a better chance.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
In January and February, Abe talk to me a little
bit about Dallas, everything that's that's going on there. I mean,
you know, he gets uh, Jerry Jones has gotten upset
clearly be asked a question would you consider changing coaches
during the season. It sounds as though he took a
(23:04):
shot at WiDi Johnson. I don't know you could if
you could add to that or not any clarity on
that by him saying, you'd be an idiot to change
your coach right now during the season. But what what?
How are things going there? What is the latest? I
know there is a little fallout after how he responded
to being asked a question on the show that he
goes on. How how are how is that circulating right now?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Yeah? I mean I think there's a lot of frustration
in Dallas right now. And you know, I think the difference,
you know, this year versus years past is it's hard
to see the light at the end of the tunnel
for the Cowboys, you know, and you know, a lot
of it is the injury situation. You know, DeMarcus Lawrence
and Michael Parsons are out, and obviously that's gonna have
(23:48):
a huge impact on their ability to turn it around
on defense. And they weren't exactly playing great defense when
those guys were in there, So you know, like there's
that it's hard to see how this team is a
wiggle out of this one, you know, whereas in the past,
you know, like when the Cowboys have been in this spot,
maybe it's been a little easier for Jerry's at the
end of the tunnel, and you know, let's call it
(24:09):
where it is. I mean, the guy's in his eighties,
you know, so I think it's probably going to hit
him a little harder when he feels these opportunities slipping away.
And you know, especially when you've spent the sort of
money that he's spent over the summer on Dak Prescott
and Cdee Lamb and you know what they'd be expected
to spend on on on Michael Parsons. We'll see if
(24:32):
that comes to pass, you know. But I think it's
a lot of different things. And yeah, I mean I
don't know. Again, like I think that the main question
LeVar and the Jets blocker room after they fired Robert
Salla was what exactly is this going to accomplish? I
think you can apply the same logic to the Cowboys.
It's like, I mean, you get fired McCarthy. Maybe that
(24:53):
makes you feel better in the moment, but I mean,
do you really think that that's going to make your
football team better? Is that going to save your season.
Is there a guy that's staff or you're saying yes,
like if we put him in charge, everything's gonna flip.
I don't, I don't. I don't think. I think it's
really hard to see it that way if you're really
taking a hard look.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
At the Cowboys makes sense.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Rady. You
can get him on X at Albert Breer. It appears
that Russell Wilson's going to get his opportunity in Pittsburgh
to start, and it could be as soon as this week.
What what is behind the move for Mike Tomlin. Is
it just not getting enough from justin fields and the offense,
or is there the potential that maybe they're trying to
(25:35):
increase some trade value for one of these guys out there?
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Well, I think he said, didn't he say something along
the lines And Mike says a lot of interesting things,
but I think he said something along the lines of
don't confuse good for great, right. I think that's sort
of what it is is that you know, if they
do decide to do that, and you know, I know
that that the plan has been to kind of keep
the decision alive over the course of the week and
(26:00):
maybe make the guys compete for it and get a
good look at where both those guys are side by side.
And I've told you guys this, like and I it's
still It's still true. There are a lot of people
in that building who do not want the team to
go away from Justin Fields. The feel that Justin Fields
is the best answer for them right now, that Russell
Wilson will present limitations for the offense that Justin doesn't.
(26:24):
But here's the thing. I think if you, if you
make the decision now to go to Justin, I mean,
I don't even know if you can have Russell on
the team anymore, you know what I mean. Like, it's
I just think like you sort of you if you
make the decision now, yes we're going with Justin for
the rest of the year, then you you come to
that decision and you sort of take Russell Wilson out
(26:46):
of the equation. Whereas if you do switch to Russell
at least in the short term, you're kind of giving
yourself two cracks at it, where you say, Okay, we're
going to give Russell a little run here and maybe
he shows us something that we didn't see in the
spring in the summer, and if not, we can always
go back to Justin Albert.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I'm kind of curious. I want to go back to
the New York Jets if you wanted, for example, to
become I don't know, a play car or something. Do
you just have to hit up Aaron in order to
get that facilitated coming back or Mercedes Lewis. They're looking
to maybe trade for him to bring him back to
the roster which former Green Bay Packers that Aaron rodgerss
have played with that we could see reservicing there in
(27:27):
New York.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Well, MBS is available now, right, Like, so I guess
MVS might be the next one. I don't know. I
mean by kind of sounds like you want to try
your hang to play calling, like right, sure, you want
to hit him up?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, I mean I'm thinking about it, you know. I mean,
I haven't hung out with them as much as Nathaniel Hacketts.
I got to figure that out. But it feels like
right now Aaron Rodgers is calling all the shots. Is
that a fair assessment?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
I mean, I think it's fair to say that he
has an influence in the way they're putting the offense
together obviously, and like I think that the fact that
he was so willing to call out the chemistry issue
he had the other night with Mike Williams, and like
(28:10):
some of the frustration he's had with Garrett Wilson. I
think it's very easy to tie those things together with
the acquisition of of Devontae Adams, And it'll be interesting
to see what that means for the other guys, you know,
because now he's got you know, he's got Adams, who
I don't know if he's a true number one anymore,
(28:30):
but he's still a really really good player. And and
Aaron obviously has the the rapport with him, and then
you have Alan Lazard as sort of a reliable possession target.
So like, does Aaron start to lean a little bit
more on the guys he knows? And you know, I
know one thing about like these older quarterbacks Brady is
(28:52):
having you know, been around Brady a little bit and
knowing how Peyton Manning operates, like and I think Aaron's
the same way. It's this like if I tell you
to run it at eight yards, I don't I didn't mean
seven or nine, I mean running at eight yards.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
You know, and but that's every quarterback. I mean, that's
not unique to him, like that's just what your job is.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
It's not. But I think that that's like but I
think it's like even more so with those guys you know,
where they're less tolerant of a young player find well.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I think the difference is when you can literally get
guys traded or signed, it comes with a bit more gumph.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Behind it, right right, right right, And I think that
that's that's why like this acquisition, I mean, which very
clearly like, look, Aaron and DeVante engineered this outcome. I
told you guys a couple of weeks ago, like every
other team involved, so like there's no way like Davante
is just trying to get himself from New York. Aaron
and Davante are trying to engineer this. So like I
(29:52):
I think it's very clearly about Aaron having a comfort
level with the people that he's throwing to. And you
know I I I think that it only up the
urgency on that when you see some of the issues
that he's had with Mike Williams manifest and come out
so publicly, and some of the issues he's had connecting
(30:12):
with Carrot Wilson right there on the table.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
The hamstring is good for devout Adams, Right, that's all
of a sudden.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yeah, found some sort of like uh, fountain of youth
something like that.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Maybe maybe maybe maybe the flight healed them, you know,
like maybe the altitude like loosten them up.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
I don't know, I got one more for you. Speaking
of quarterbacks Cleveland, I mean they get rid of their
best receiver. But Stefanski says that, you know, he's he's
trying to make sure he puts the guys in the
games that give them the best opportunity to win, and
Deshaun Watson is one of those guys. What what is
(30:51):
the latest on that?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Do you do you.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Feel as though, because we had a nice little interesting
back and forth about it on the show, do you
feel like this is truth or is that tongue in cheek?
Is he is he taking it on one for the
team or is he truly in belief that Deshaun Watson
truly is the guy that gives them the best opportunity
to win.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yeah, I think he's taking one for the team, and
I don't think there's anything else he can say right now,
you know, I'm not a scout, I'm not a coach,
but I don't know how you could watch them play
and not think the quarterback is a problem. It's just
it's I think there's there's there's a long term piece
this or's term piece to it is is that they've
(31:36):
got ninety two million dollars fully guaranteed due to as
Shawn over the next two years. Over that two year period,
they're going to have one hundred and seventy two point
seven seven million dollars in cap charges to deal with.
I mean that is I mean we we a lot
of people talk about cap jail like that's real cap jail,
you know, like that's where that's so.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
He has to play or maybe like that's what it
comes down to this because of how much the guys
getting paid they have, the coach has to jack up
his job by playing him.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
I think I think the reality for the franchise is
that you're not getting out of this next year. Now,
maybe you can eat the money in twenty six, but
I don't know how you get out of this next year.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
You know, I've seen a model of how you do it.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
It's just really one of.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Those you trade. I mean it would have to be
like a brock oslil trade. I think, yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Could do that.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Or you give him a signing bonus and you cut
them next year and you're making a post June one
designation and then you're only on the hook for sixty
million and twenty twenty five and I believe sixty million
or something like that in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Only only no, but then but you still have but
you're still responsible for the fully gear. I mean, it's
but that's.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
What I'm saying is you're you're still you're paying it
out and I'm portion of it in the signing bonus
that you're just giving straight cash to cut them.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I mean, the fact that we're even having this conversation
is crazy, you know, like and I think so that
that brings me to the short term part of it, right,
which is where the rubber might meet the road, And
that's how can you keep something out of the locker room?
I thought, you know, I thought Mitch Schwartz, who you know,
played a lot of years and the Weak, had a good,
good tweet on this the other day, played for the
(33:15):
Chiefs and the Browns, and you know he mentioned, like
you know, like God knows what Miles Garrett's playing through,
and Joel Botonio like what he playing through, and like,
you know what it takes to get through an NFL season.
And as much as that those players like and respect
Kevin Stefanski, how much longer can Kevin have a hold
(33:36):
on them if they don't think he's giving him the
best chance to win every week? And that I think
is sort of the problem right now if you're Kevin Stefanski,
is like, how can you keep rolling out there, rolling
out there with Deshaun Watson and have your players convinced that,
like you are doing absolutely everything you can to win
the game that week? You know, Like I think that's
(33:57):
a that's a very real thing. And you guys know
that better than me. I mean, you guys are the
ones in the locker room, like I I think that
they're coming, Like, you know what, I'm not going to
go this week if this is what it's going to be,
Like I I'm going to protect myself. I've got free
agency to worry about, or I'm looking for a new contract.
I'm not going to push through the hamstring. I'm not
going to push through the shoulder. I think the problem
(34:18):
can really matesticize if they don't, if Ay, if de
Shaun doesn't start playing better, and right now, I don't know,
Guys like, there's not a ton of signs that that's
going to happen.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Get him on ex at Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB, and the star of
Amazon Primes Thursday night football coverage.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
AB. We appreciate it. We'll be watching tonight. Thanks so much.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Thanks for overstelling you. I think she had just the.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
At least we could do. I didn't want to ask
about os. Yeah, I knew he was going to do it.
I knew he was going to say I had that.
The did we ran out of time. His dog was
already pissed.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Its two prop of jail Here on Fox Sports Radios,
We're going to close up shop next with another edition
of Lee's Leftovers.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Right here on f be sure to catch live editions
of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LeVar Arrington, and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern,
three am Pacific.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas Knox with you here. We'll
be back on the air tomorrow for a football Friday
six am Eastern Time, three o'clock Pacific. And before we
close up shop here today with Lee's Leftovers, want to
remind you that shortly after the show, the podcast will
be going up, so if you've missed any of it,
be sure to check out the pod. Search two pros
(35:33):
wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to also follow
rate and review it again. Just search two pros wherever
you get your podcast. You'll see this show posted right
after we get off the air.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
These might smell.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
A little fun cake.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
What does that? Sounds incredible?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
But they're still good. Time to find out what's left.
It's Lee's left Jovers.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
All right, lead to lap what we got.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Guys, you might have remembered web back in the Olympics,
we're here. They sent home a swimmer. Her name was
Luana Alonzo. She's from Paraguay for inappropriate for creating an
inappropriate atmosphere basically taking a bunch of pictures dressing skimp skimpy,
uh kind of doing her thing.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Well.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Now she's paired up with a company called Real Doll
where they've made. They've made models of her feet where
you could buy these models for two thousand each, thirty
five hundred for the pair, spend an extra five hundred
dollars for her autograph. Yeah, Rex, Rex Ryot, it's right
up Rex Ryan's it's Adia Investor.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Can I ask this question? Why just her feet? I
mean she uh you know.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
She does she does pretty well on OnlyFans.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, like she does really well on only fans.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
Just her only our feet, just her feet at some
red nail polish on it.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I don't want to judge anybody like, and I don't
want to be cruel.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
If you buy these, you're a loser. I just want
to say that.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't know it's a loser. You're just weird. That's
just a weird thing to purchase.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Like you imagine like opening that box in front of somebody.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Now, what'd you get?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Feet? You know, some feet?
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Feet?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Damn you think it comes with a foot smell?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Spray smells just like her. So gross man
Hosts And Creators
Brady Quinn
LaVar Arrington
Jonas Knox
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.