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October 18, 2024 43 mins

It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Broncos lay the hammer on the beat up Saints. Moving on the Russell Wilson right now is a risky move for the Steelers and Troy Aikman rips current Cowboys receivers. 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrings, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
So there was a football game last night there was
I guess that.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Was that was Saints just falling off, aren't they? That
was a rough watch man going off over a cliff?

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Is this a prime example of the NFL In the
first week or two Usually you have some tricks, like
usually you've got some a couple of facades, Like the
first couple of weeks there were two and zero were like,
holy cow, Remember they beat the dog out of Dallas.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yea, and everyone was like, all right, this.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
SAME's legit the NFC South.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
And now, granted they've got some wide receivers who are
banged up, you got a rookie quarterback at his second start,
versus a top four defense in the NFL. So there's
a lot of reasons as to why they would strug.
But man, it has been rough for the Saints. Kind
of what we expected though, I think going into the season,
maybe not necessarily after the first two weeks, but now

(01:09):
that we've got a bigger book, you're going, yeah, this
is who we thought the Saints were gonna be right.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, and the Denver Broncos are something that I didn't
think they were going to be. They're pretty good. They're
pretty good bow knicks. It's starting to look like Sean
Payton wasn't you know, he wasn't lying about what he
felt about bow knicks and them getting bow knicks. I mean,
he looks he looks good. It's another rookie quarterback and

(01:39):
he looks good.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
There's some throws he misses though, Like if you follow,
if you follow Warren Sharp on X, he does a
good job of documenting. I'm not sure exactly why Warren
Sharp's got some uh hostility towards bow knicks, but he
makes sure to uh to throw at any proximity throws
like a throw that's close to one or two the
receivers but doesn't really hit anyone.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, I mean he does have those moments. You could
tell he has rookie moments or whatever moments we want
to call him. But I just I think he's the guy.
He's the guy for this team. There's a balance there.
They have a running game. Obviously the run did well
for them, but I didn't expect Denver to be good.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like, wouldn't you say this point in the season, like
if you were to tell a coach like, hey, you've
got a rookie quarterback, you're going to be above five
hundred and by the way, you're going to be three
and one on the road. But who's not taking that?
Like I look at it and go, yeah, I mean
maybe he struggles and misses some throws and he's a rookie,
but yeah, I think they far exceeded what I thought
they would be too. New Orleans is just not good.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
They haven't looked good, that's for certain.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
And now that we see what has happened to the
Dallas Cowboys, you kind of look upon further review and realize.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
The Dallas really really stamped.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
That's uh so that that that wind looks less impressive.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
It was a different quarterback though it was a different QB.
So yeah, I just maybe that's the difference. That was
like not competitive last night at all. Like that was bad.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Like if there was a night for Major League Baseball
to say, hey, come check us out, like that was
the night like that.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
That was a rough one. And even if you're a
Denver Bronco fan.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I just hope it wasn't a coop justin Cooper could
not get it. Did you go to Cosm by the way, Coop,
did you? Did you guys make it out there? No,
we couldn't find enough people to Haang.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I heard that spot is crazy, dope crazy. Is that
the place where it's like sitting in the stadium?

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yes, if it's the place that Colin tried to show
us when he was making that that slided all the
penn station.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Okay, yeah, but they were in commercial whatever you know. Oh,
I mean that's what that meant? Okay, I got it.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, Remember he tried to pan to the actual the
screen and everything else. He was talking about cosm, which
that was part of the issue that said it.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I didn't know what he meant bad at when he
said yeah, now I get it now, it.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Took away completely from what how awesome the cosm is
and instead just poured into this bad take that he
had that ultimately very poorly.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was a bit of a reunion last night for
Sean Payton, who showed back up to New Orleans. Drew
Brees by the way inducted into the Saints Hall of
Fame and so there's a big celebration there and I
mean he probably would have been a better option at quarterback,
to be honest with you, and I don't believe that
his arm works based on some stuff he said in
the past. But pickleball player Drew Brees was celebrated by

(04:49):
the Saints. Fan Sean Payton was back in New Orleans.
He spoke about seeing Drew Brees and also his former
players that he coached for all those years.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
He's meant so much to the city, not only the organization.
It came at a time right after Katrina when it
became more than football and for that what he did
for my career and all the coaches, you know, we
all flourished while he excelled, and so it was great
seeing him. Those are a lot of my guys, and
I say that like respectfully, those relationships like you just

(05:18):
that's what we're in the business for. And I think
that's what I probably missed the most when I was
out doing media.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
So Sean Payton talking about his time in New Orleans
and being back there, and it does like now that
you look at his one and done with Fox and
doing the broadcasting, like you hear him talk about missing
it and you realize, yeah, he wanted the Chargers job.
That would have been ideal. They decided to keep Brandon Staly,
but he just he's got to be back out there,

(05:44):
like that's probably where he feels most comfortable. It's similar
to Belichick. Belichick probably at this point is like this
is cool and all I want to be back out
there with those guys, Like this is just not my game.
Not a media guy, so good.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
For the It's not about not being a media guy.
It's the reality that there's nothing like being in the game.
Like once you cross that line, there's nothing like that.
And that's as a player, or as a coach or
even as a fun office executive.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
There's degrees and levels to it.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
But those three, if you want to call them professions
or realms, like it's entirely different. Like we talk oftentimes
with our narratives or our thoughts, our opinions, whatever we
think the truth of the matter is. Like in those rooms,
whether it's the defensive room, offensive room, team rooms, like

(06:36):
the conversations they're having are very different probably than what's
thrown out there as ideas for things, and it's not
as complicated as it needs to be. Sometimes sometimes it's
not simpler. Sometimes there is crazy stuff going on but
the reality is every former player, every former coach, they
missed the hell out of it, man. I mean, that's

(06:57):
the truth. There's no adrenaline rush like it. There's nothing
like the feeling of winning. There's nothing like the feeling
of losing. So once you're out of it, you miss that, man,
Like you missed that every single week, being able to
feel like Superman or being able to feel like garbage.
It sounds crazy to say, but like as much as
you miss the highs, you miss the lows two because

(07:18):
amotivates you, like keeps you up at night, and that
there's a craziness to you where you're like, man, I
miss that, like as crazy as that sounds, like not
being able to sleep because you're so upset about something,
Like as crazy as it sounds, that's the emotions of
the game of football. That's what makes it so great.
So I get it, man, I mean, that's why guys

(07:39):
want to be around it, you know, Like I I.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know, and I hate to push back here this
early in the morning, but you know, I feel like
you're not telling the total truth here because you and
I have had conversations off the air, and you've said
and like pulled me aside and said, hey, man, nothing
gives me a rush like doing sports talk radio, Like
just the difference between the two and how it's just
like I mean, the chill.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
There's never a day of my life I worked out,
and in the back of my mind, I thought, this
is going to help prepare me for sports talk radio.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I mean, listen, you can try and downplay it all
you want, but there's not quite like Potti, this is
the arena. I'm telling you right now, and when that
com rex turns on, it's go time, baby, and you
know it now.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Here's the thing is like Levart talks about the Serengetti
I I I would describe it as there's a switch,
like you put that helmet on. It's a violent game.
You have to become a different person. You have to
you have to think differently. And I know people on
the outside like, oh, I played in high schools Like no, man,

(08:40):
it ain't college either. Like when you get to the pros,
these dudes are like certified weapons and they're trained to
put you in pain. Like I remember calling games going
down and think myself, damn man, Like I don't miss
that portion of it, like I miss certain portions of it,
but like taking a beating, like that's that's the portion

(09:02):
that's not fun, at least for a quarterback because we
can the only thing we do is thort on the
football around. We're not really given you know, giving them
back to people. But there's elements of it that you
just go you got to be a little different, and
then the transition to civilian life is very different. There's
just not the same intensity to it, and that's part
of that. I think what I miss the most is
like it's not life or death, and it feels like

(09:24):
that at times. I know it's hurt hyperbole. We've got
men and women out there serving our great country that
it truly is for them, But you step back from
it and it feels like that. Everyone makes you feel
like that when you're in it, and that's to me,
like one of the greatest feelings is like that that high,
the low, the the intensity of it. You know, just

(09:46):
like working with a guy who could he could believe
everything different from you, man, you know, spiritually, politically, whatever else,
but like you look him in the eyes and you
step on the field. Man, you're together, you're a team,
and you're working towards a common goal, like, that's pretty special,
it's pretty cool. I don't find that quite as much
in sports talk radio, no matter.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I think that's uh, I think you're kind of underselling, you.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Know, v LaVar, You've been doing this for a long time, though,
I mean, tell me, maybe I'm different, maybe maybe you
feel different.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
No, I enjoy I enjoy knowing that there are a
whole bunch of people, like there's a tremendously large audience
that's listening to us, and that we have to, you know,
no matter what we have going on when we crack
the mic, we have to bring something that's different than

(10:38):
any other type of media. And it's because you can't
see us. We can't illustrate things with with you know,
you know, highlights and b roll and stuff like that.
I feel like radio is one of the most unique
ways and forms of media and being able to express yourself.

(10:59):
So I find the challenges of doing talk radio to
be pretty cool. Do I get a rush out of it,
Like like I felt when I grabbed x kylibrout of
my locker and looked at the rest of the linebackers
and they looked at me, and I said, at my command,

(11:20):
release hell like, no, it's not it's not the same.
It's not the same. But I take those experiences that
I had, and when I'm able to, when I'm able
to deliver it in a way where possibly people can
understand it and they can live in it, I think

(11:43):
that it made it. It brings it back to life
a little bit for you because you're able to relive
it in a way. It's not it's obviously not the same.
It's not the same intensity of.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
It, you know, but at the same time, the feelings
like the to be able to have experienced it and
to be able to it's it's almost like you give people,
you give them a movie script, because it's kind of like,
in a lot of ways, it's really kind of unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
The things that we've seen and that we've experienced, and
like the things that grown ass men are allowed to
get away with, you know, right in front of people's faces,
is kind of crazy. And I think that that's pretty
cool to be able to give those accounts and it
not be you know, you went to jail over it
or anything like that. It's like, no, I was playing football,

(12:42):
like and I got to f people up.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, But like you've told me that, like, doing this
show is the most violent three hours you've ever experienced
in your career.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Like Lee's pants, I mean the conversations about what goes
on in Lee's belly and and his pants and in
the restroom. But other than that, now, I don't think
it's too much not too much valiance.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Now, let me ask you a question. Would you guys
feel more comfortable?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Would it?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Would it make you feel like it was more like
a game day if we could get chin straps, like
righte l's to go from one uh headphone? No? Next,
like like go from right here to the left?

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Offensive? Sounded like an It's kind of like condescending. It's
it's a tad bit offensive, like we're not meat heads, Like, no,
we're not, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I mean, I'll wear it too. If you want to
ride all up on these headphones.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Players, what are you talking about? You're not You're not
qualifying it. You're not qualifying it. Thank you. It's a drop. Yeah,
you're not qualifying it. Damn you're good? Are You're good? Jonas?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe Here
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with you here. We are gonna have the usuals coming
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We take you all the way up until nine am
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news here on the show. I know a lot of you,

(14:09):
as we discussed, have listened, and we appreciate that. It's
a football Friday. It's a damn football Friday, you know
we finally hear right? Come on, strap it up, Barye.

Speaker 7 (14:21):
Come on, let's go, come on, come on.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
To be mad, come on, come on, get off it
just a radio radio. What's wrap it? Wrap? Do it?

(14:55):
Do it? Okay, Loretto, let's do it, Freddy Garcia.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Let's do all right?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah baby, I'm talking about football.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
You deserve any can do it Friday? Here?

Speaker 8 (15:17):
Are you ready for some football?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
All right?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
I was not? Can we? Actually?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
You know that does sound that same the same drop
you just played?

Speaker 8 (15:37):
Are you ready for some football?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
If you did that side by side with Jerry Jones
glory whole drop, how would that sounds the same thing?
A couple of a couple of Texas not kidding it.
We're efforting, efforting.

Speaker 9 (15:54):
Now.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
Glory. Are you ready for some football?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I mean, listen, good, all of our I won't make
some glory hill. Well, thanks Jerry, but the guy says,
good God, it's good all the reverends. I think he's like,
he's a televangelist. God, you can eat, you can eat.

(16:20):
That's Iowa, Sam drop.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
You play those two with Jerry Jones and whatever the
hell the last one that's pretty solid.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
I don't know. We won't put them in the game.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Are you ready for some football?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
I won't make some glory hill.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
You can eat?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Dear, Oh thank you, Oh my god, thank you, Oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I always Sam is a clown.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
It is the correlation of the of the sound bites together.
I will leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (17:09):
So if you listen to the first hour of this show,
there was a theme throughout the first hour. Uh Brady
Quinn's tone was a little off putting, and you know,
we had discussions, and there were conversations during the break
and it was like, okay, well, you know, maybe it'll
slow down and get a little bit better as the
hour went on. It did not. It got worse as
a matter of fact. So there are checks and balances

(17:31):
on the show. If you get out of pocket, if
you get out of line, you will be reprimanded.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
On Jonas's show by Jonas.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
So Brady Quinn will not be with us here for
the rest.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Of the show.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
We're going to give him a couple of couple hours
to think about this, and he needs some time. Yeah,
you know, it's like Shaw Shank. Let's give him another
month to think about it. And nobody puts baby in
the corner. No, and so so LeVar and I listen,
we run a tough ship here and.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
No, do not what do you mean the Jonas knocks
ship there you go. Don't put this on me, Yeah,
don't put that on me. It's good.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's got to happen.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
So I'm just here, Yeah, well to do my job.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, you witness the punishment. So I hope Lesson learned it.
I'll mess around a show like people think this is
like some Nickel and Dimes sports talk radio show that like, oh,
you guys are just playing grab ass and talk like.
These are broadcast professionals. We demand respect and if we
don't get it from each other on the air, you
will be punished. And there was a punishment handed down.

(18:37):
So uh, we're often running here.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Not he had to go travel somewhere and.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
No listen, and I don't and I will not hear
any other reasons as to why he's not here. He's
not here because of what he did.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
People. He's really not here. Just so you guys know,
like this is a bit by Jonas, but within the bit,
Brady is not here anymore. So we will carry you
the rest of the way. Yeah, you know, through the
two hours.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Damn right, step out of line, anybody. So we do
have a a little bit.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
So we do have a we do have a little
bit of a you know, a little addition to a
storyline that has played out in the NFL that we've
been talking about because we've been wondering, all right, So
and if you just look at the whole timeline of
this whole thing, it really is fascinating. So Russell Wilson,
you know, we're getting ready to hear about this quote

(19:46):
unquote quarterback competition in Pittsburgh, and they're talking about, well,
you know, it's gonna be a real competition and we're
gonna let this thing play out. And then like right
before training camp, they're pushing a blocking sled and Russell Wilson,
you know, tweaks his calf. I was like, well, you know, listen,
it's just a day or two. We're just playing it safe.
That was months ago. Russell Wilson finally returned to practice,

(20:09):
finally took first team reps, and it appears that he's
going to be in line to start for the Pittsburgh Steelers,
which is interesting considering, you know, like their record is good. Yeah,
their offense hasn't been fantastic. Justin Fields hasn't lit up
the league or anything, but they're winning games and still
they've decided to make the switch to Russell Wilson at

(20:31):
quarterback to be the start of there in Pittsburgh. So
Justin Fields spoke yesterday and gave a brutally honest assessment
of his own performance. Let's take a.

Speaker 10 (20:41):
Listen, think I played you know I'm good enough. If
I'm being rudy with you, you know, if I'm being rud
with myself, I think if you know I did play
well enough, I don't think there would be any sort
of Pusian playing wish and not. So I got a
few wins. Of course I'm glad about that, but you know,
there's areas that you know I could be better out,

(21:02):
and you know I'm just gonna continue to work on
those and continue.

Speaker 9 (21:05):
To get better.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Probably not wrong.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
I mean he's not wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I mean it's refreshing to hear that that he's like
basically saying, listen, I just haven't been good enough. And
we talked about it, like the Dallas game, in my mind,
was really the tipping point to where an opportunity to
seal the deal and just couldn't do it. And especially
when you consider they came off the game against Indianapolis
where if not for Justin Field, they's not even in

(21:31):
that game, and they get Dallas in prime time, a
banged up Cowboys defense and they could get nothing really
going on offense. And so the fact that he's saying, listen,
I wasn't good enough and if I would have been
better then you know, and we've seen a lot of
quarterbacks who in similar situations think they should be the
guy and I should be the guy. The fact that
he's saying this just goes to show you what we've

(21:53):
heard about him for a long time, that he's that's
why his teammates love the guy and why he gets cheerful.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
If they love him, then the results should have been different,
The outcome should have been different. You know, this is
a Pittsburgh team that is clearly trying to figure out
how they can put their team together for a run
and not just make it to the playoffs and then
lose like it seems as though the confidence level and

(22:25):
in this offense is not all the way there. I
think there's the obvious conclusion that they want to see
what Russ can do because they do feel like there's
more to it. There could possibly be more to it. Now.
The question that it leads me to ask is what
if Russell Wilson comes in and isn't even as good

(22:48):
as Justin Fields has been. Right now, that becomes I
guess we would all say that it's an easy question
to answer. They take Russell Wilson out and they maybe
they put just and feels back in. Do they do they?
How does this play out? You know, if if Russ
plays well, I think we all know know how it

(23:11):
plays out. But if Russell doesn't play well, if Russell
doesn't lift this offense to a higher height, and what
it is that is performance is then where do you
go from here? Which quarterback do you use? How do
you make that decision?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I think they go back to fields, and I don't
think I think if Russ struggles, I think they'll pull
him quick. They'll go back to Justin fields and you'll
never see Russell Wilson, if not for injuries, start another
game of quarterback for the Steelers. Like, I don't think
Russell Wilson's got a long lease share. I think he's
got to Okay.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Now, now looking at it from that perspective, how does
that play on your team? What type of impact does
that have on your team? Where you're basically saying, listen,
we're doing okay as a team, but I think we
could be doing better, and I think we could be

(24:07):
doing better with this guy at quarterback. So we're gonna
try it. And you try it, it doesn't work, then you
put Justin Fields back in that says you didn't have
enough confidence in your starter and Justin Fields to keep
him in there without trying to see what you have
with Russell Wilson. And now you're going to come back
to the person you didn't trust in the first place

(24:29):
to try to lead you to what where is Justin
Fields leading you to? What is your expectation as a
player on this team? If you got to put Justin
Fields back in the lineup after he seemingly has not
been impressive enough to maintain the job, I just think

(24:50):
it puts this team in a very compromising position, if
you ask me so.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
One thing that I noticed that was kind of interesting
is when Mike Tomlin was talking about this earlier in
the week. He was just saying, like, listen, you know
we you know, we want to be better on offense.
We're looking at like he's giving all the reasons as
to why Russell Wilson's going to get a look appreciative
of Justin Fields. He's talking about, you know, his rushing

(25:17):
stat Like he's bringing up stats, he's bringing up all
these other things.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
And what's interested just don't just don't mistake good for great.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, And but what's interesting about that is last year
when it came time to have the discussion of hey,
Kenny Pickett's back and healthy, is he going to get
an opportunity? Now, we're going to stay with the hot hand,
like he already knew, Like it's over, like like we're
done here. The fact that he spoke the way that
he spoke about Justin Fields tells me that they've probably

(25:45):
had a conversation where he's been like, stay ready, like
we don't know how this is going to go, like that,
we're going to experiment with this, but stay ready.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Why wouldn't you? Yeah, why wouldn't you? But but now
you're f ing with his psyche, you know, and as
far the better, I mean, listen, Tomlin is going to
make the decisions that's best for the team, and those
players have to abide by what's best for the team.
That's the culture that exists, it seemingly exists in Pittsburgh.

(26:12):
Some would maybe debate if that culture has subsided and
has dissipated, But I just think that this is a very,
very it's a risky move for this season for the Steelers.
I think it is. I think it's a boom bust proposition.

(26:35):
It's a boom. Obviously, if Russell Wilson gets in there
and he's able to lift this offense up to a
higher height, they're able to throw the ball better, They're
able to do more than what they're doing with Justin Fields.
I think that's the boom of it. But the bust
of it is is that if he does not and

(26:55):
they feel compelled to do what it is that you're saying,
go back to Justin Fields, I just feel as though
I just don't know where that leads this entire team.
I don't know where it leaves Justin Fields. I don't
know where it leaves Mike Tomlin. I don't know where
it leaves this team because you've already made the decision
that you don't think he's good enough to be the starter,

(27:19):
But then now you're going to put him back as
a starter by default. If Russell Wilson can't cook better
than Justin Fields, just seems like it could get a
little a little confusing, and it could get a little
uh contentious.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah. Albert Breer has said this multiple times. He said
it yesterday when we talked to him, that there's like
a growing feeling within the building that they all want
justin Fields to be the starter. Well, Mike Tomlin like,
you know, like that's like he's he's gone against that,
and you know, without for lack of a better assessment,
and basically said we're going to give Russell Wilson an opportunity.

(27:58):
And I do wonder if other guys are like, seriously, like,
let's I mean, we're winning games, like we are winning
like it's not like they just like they took care
of you know, the Raiders on and I'm not saying
the Raiders are a great team, and yeah it was
you know, on the road and all that, but like
you're winning games, like you're in this thing, like you're
in a much better spot than Cincinnati and Cleveland at

(28:21):
this point. And so the idea that you would just
now make a switch to try and see what you got,
I just wonder, yeah, I wonder what that what that
does to people there, because if Russell Wilson comes in
and he struggles, I just don't think Tomlins got a
long enough leash with the way that Fields is played
to be able to be like no, no, no, we're

(28:42):
gonna we're gonna let Russ work through this. I don't
think there is any working through this. Either he shows
up and he performs in the first week or two,
or they're just gonna go back to Justin piele Yah.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
That's crazy, because does that make it right the situation
for Russell Wilson, because you have now disrupted what this
team has has started to build their season on. And
I noticed the pros people got to be able to
adapt and adjust on the fly at times. But when

(29:11):
you're as competent as Mike Tomlin is as a coach,
and you've built a reputation where people trust you and
they trust your judgment, but at the same time, there's
been this strong undertone of how he wins and how
the offenses performed for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I do think
he's pushing for a more explosive offense. Clearly he's pushing

(29:36):
for a more impressive offense than what he's showing. And
I don't know that there's very many people that have
confidence in the fact that Russell Wilson is going to
come in and just be this world beater for the
Pittsburgh Steelers, so much so where it's justified to take

(30:00):
Justin Fields out and put him in. And so if
you're saying his lease is short, then why do it
at all. I almost feel like they got to put
him in and they got to ride it out and
see if he can catch fire. So that means there
could be multiple games that he doesn't play well, and
they still got to stay Winny to see if he

(30:21):
can get on track and be a better quarterback than
what he was the week before.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
So they've got the next two games are in primetime.
They've got Sunday Night Football against the Jets, and then
they've got the following Monday night they're going to be
home against the Giants. So they got two home games,
both against the New York teams, and then they've got
their bye week. Do you think who do you think
is the starting quarterback after the bye? I think it's

(30:47):
Justin Fields.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
I think it's Russell Wilson. You think so yet, because
you don't make this type of change. They won the
last game, didn't they. Yeah, you don't make a quarterback
change after a win if you don't think in your
mind as a staff, looking at all of the information,

(31:09):
looking at the game plans, looking at what you want
to do. You don't make a decision like this unless
you believe in your heart of hearts as a group
that this man indeed gives them the better opportunity to win.
So if that's the case, I just don't think you say, oh,
we were wrong after one or two games. I just

(31:33):
don't think a coach will convince themselves that they were wrong, because,
if you think about it, they didn't start Justin Fields
because Justin Fields won the job. They started Justin Fields
by default of an injury that was sustained, and that
should always be clearly stated as well. Justin Fields did

(31:54):
not outright win this job. And so I almost felt
just though Justin Fields came into this scenario already having
to prove at a higher level that he should be
the starter. Otherwise it wasn't going to be smooth sailing
for him, and that's exactly what it's turned into. It's

(32:16):
not who they wanted to start. Nonetheless, he had to start,
and he did well for them. And that's probably why
Mike Tomlin was getting pressure to say name him as
the starter, and he wouldn't do it. It probably plays
right down that narrative. Why would I name him the
starter when I don't view him as the starter? Case closed.

(32:40):
So now you got to see if the guy you
did deem the starter can come in there and bring
the juice that he needs to bring you. Or is
it or is it going to play out in a
way where it's like, dang, that was a horrible decision,
and I wonder how much of a weight or a
bearing that could possibly have on how you know upper

(33:02):
management looks at moving forward with this coaching staff.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I mean, at least we're gonna get to see Russ
versus Nathaniel Hackett. You know that'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Oh that sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, that'll be that'll be a good time. Better in
the game last night.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
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Speaker 2 (33:26):
Big Day, Big day for sports Talk radio, Big week.
As a matter of fact, for Sports Talk radio in
Dallas now Fox Sports Radio affiliate The Ticket in Dallas.
You know, they don't need Jerry Jones or Stephen Jones
to get all pissy about questions that are being asked.

(33:48):
They go to a Hall of famer, another hall of
famer in Troy Aikman and So Troy Aikman appeared on
the Ticket in Dallas yesterday and gave his assessment as
to one thing that he sees as an issue with
the Dallas Cowboys. It's something we haven't heard a lot of,
but it's not Dak Instead, it's the wide receivers.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
I think the routes are terrible. I think they run
terrible routes, and I've thought that beyond this year, and
I think Ceed's got to improve in his route running.
And as a quarterback, if you're not certain where guys
are going to be consistently, it's hard, it's hard to
play the position. And so that's that's what I see.
I see guys lazy coming off the line of scrimmage.
Sometimes they sometimes they run. Usually if they do, it's

(34:30):
because they're anticipating they're going to get the football in
that play. But if they're not, they don't, and it
all ties together, and so I'm not impressed with that
part of it. I've just finished watching the Baltimore Ravens
because I have them this week. You put out a
film of Theirs and watch their receivers run routes and
they come off the football and so to San Francisco's

(34:50):
Green Bays and others. But it's hard to play the
position if you're not certain how guys are going to
run routes or where they're going to be. And I'm
not speaking for Dak. Dak may say I think everything's amazing,
but as a former quarterback watching it, it's got to
get a lot better.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Wow Wow.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Open season baby Wow. By the way, I love the
fact that it's their bye week too. They're probably like,
you know what, we could really get this bad taste
out of our mouth. We just need to get back
on track and get a big win. Nah, let you
think about it a little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, but it gives them, It gives them extra time
to get healthy. They need that, they need their defense
to be better, and clearly they're receivers need to be better,
including CD Lamb. Tang. You know, that's interesting that he
would give a gut shot to Ceedee Lamb after there's

(35:48):
been so much made about how frustrated it appears that
Ceedee Lamb gets with Dak Prescott and now it's like
kind of like you get a goat putting it in
the perspective that he's putting it in, and he's holding
those receivers, including CD Lamb, accountable for the woes of
this offense.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
You know what a like this is. This is what
I love the most about, like doing shows and like
getting to have conversations with guys like you and Brady
who actually know what the hell's going on from a
scheme standpoint or a play standpoint, because like we can
all stand on the outside. And people in sports media
they hate this when athletes go, we didn't play the game, well,

(36:29):
they hate it because there's no response to it. There's
just a reality to the situation. Get over yourselves is
what it is. But you guys see things from a
vantage point that other people and have an education because
you have been in the mix for so long when
it comes to football that you see things that other
people just don't see that a box score can't pick up.

(36:50):
Troy Aikman saying that the reason why it stands out
to me is because that's not just somebody who is
giving an assessment. That's you know, some sort of you know,
a writer or a reporter or covers the team. If
anybody would know what receivers are supposed to be doing
at a certain point, it's Troy Aikman absolutely, but you

(37:12):
don't see that discussion being had because it's easy. The
low hanging fruit is well, Dak Prescott sucks, like you
talked to Brady's been like, well, so and so through
an interception. Well yeah, but the wide receiver could have
done more to help him out there. But you don't
hear that conversation as much. And so the fact that
Troy Aikman did the deep dive did a comparison to

(37:33):
other teams in the NFL like Baltimore and Green Bay
who don't have that problem. That's telling to me. And
I wonder whether or not that stuff gets back to
Cede Lambing company.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Oh, it already got back to them. He's too he's
too big of a figure to the team, and he's
too relevant in play calling too to not be relaid
back and it not echo through that locker room, you know.
And I wonder, I wonder has he been removed long

(38:06):
enough where the feeling for him isn't isn't as high
as it could be. I wonder that. I wonder if
he's still if his presence is well respected and well received,
and when he speaks, you know, that's something that those
guys should take as a challenge or is it like

(38:27):
this new age of athlete they don't know who anyone is,
Like they literally don't know who. Like I told you
the story about how I was walking down the hall
the kids walking past my All American picture. I'm walking
past kid. He didn't even know who I was. In
State College in the last building and the Penn State

(38:48):
Building in the All American hallway. You're a current player,
you don't even know who I was. So I think
a lot of times, you know, guys aren't really up
to speed on fandom these days like they used to be.
So I wonder when when when a legend comes out

(39:09):
and has something to say, and that Jonas I see
as direct. That was a direct right, That was a
direct message. So when when something like that happens, I
wonder how young men, you know, pros, you know, how
they respond to that these days, because I know how

(39:29):
we would have responded. We were to respond it by
trying to live up to the expectation and the standard,
because you wouldn't want a legend to reference you in
the way that true Aikman just did this receiving Corps.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
It also feels like somebody who's been a little frustrated
with the discussion about the team because we've heard everybody
get aired out for the Cowboys this year. Obviously Mike McCarthy,
Dak Prescott, the defense has gotten destroyed.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Other coach is Mike Zimmer's arrival. We had, like you know,
Zeke Elliott has talked about his involvement, like we haven't
heard a lot of people go directly at the wide receiver,
specifically one that just got paid right, and he did,
like he was like oh no, no, no, no, no, for
the next yeah, oh no, no, Like let's not nobody's safe here,

(40:20):
like nobody, nobody's getting out of this thing alive with
a bye week here and went straight at those guys.
And I just I mean, the fact that it came
from him, I think holds a lot more weight than
maybe some of the other discussions that we've had.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
You would assume that's what I'm saying, that that's kind
of like the point I'm trying to make. You would
assume that that is going to shake them up and rattle,
you know, things up a little bit more. You would assume,
and maybe they do accept that as a challenge, and
maybe they do respect him enough and respect his voice

(40:57):
enough and his opinion enough where they try to to
do do more, you know, make it better. But I
just know how this new this new athlete is man,
and it's just kind of like they probably just think
he's hating. My god, he's a hater. They got super Bowls,
we don't. He's a Hater's wild And they could be right.

(41:19):
It's not necessarily that they're they could be wrong about it.
It's it's necessary like they could possibly be right that
Troy Aikman is hating him. And maybe there's a reason
why Troy Aikman is hating Maybe he has an agenda.
Maybe he didn't like the fact that Jerry Jones is
coming under so much a fire and and attack over

(41:40):
the poor player of the team. Maybe there's a lot
of reasons, a few reasons. Maybe there's just a few
good reasons as to why Troy Aikman took it upon
himself to you know, drop that bomb, you know, and
and for what it's worth, whether whether it's an agenda
driven you know, interview and him giving his take or not.

(42:03):
The bottom line is is that you don't want to
have your legends talking about you in that manner, regardless
of what it is, you got to do better. I
think that that's ultimately what it comes down to is
these guys are not even impressing their own community. Like

(42:24):
that's bad, man, that's bad.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Like yeah, but I will give Troy Aikman credit. At
least he didn't threaten the host jobs, you know, so
that was nice. It's nice to see that does.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Just they just caught it. They just they rubbed him
the wrong way, man, you know. And maybe he didn't
have his blue shoe or something. I don't I don't know,
but they totally rubbed Jerry Jones the wrong way in
that moment. You know what, Every once in a while,
you know, they say that jackal messes with the lion.
The lion, let's the jack will keep messing with him
and messing with him and poking at him and pride

(42:58):
at him and biting at him, and then you keep
doing it, and then every once in a while the
line shows you why he's the lion, you know. And
he had a moment. Yeah, you know, Jerry Jones had
a moment.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, well Troy Aikman didn't.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
He just Jerry Troy Aikman just went straight for the.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Next yeah, like specifically, like oh oh you Oh, nobody's
talked about them yet. Don't worry, I got it. Listen
to the ticket, and I'll uh in Dallas and I'll
make sure they get held accountable for their responsibility in
this mess that is the Cowboys this year
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