October 29, 2024 • 36 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the deep ball is back in Pittsburgh as Russell Wilson cooks the Giants on MNF. The Bears need to get the bad taste of the Commanders Hail Mary out of their mouths. Gisele is pregnant with her jiu-jitsu instructor and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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up on this Tuesday edition, it's a Tuesday tradition. Pete
Prisco's gonna stop buying for some reason. We're going to
talk bobbleheads with Pete. We're also going to talk about
Dwayne Wade's sculpture made no sense to anybody involved. He's
got some thoughts on that as well too. We're gonna
look back on Monday Night football. The Steelers get it
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it mean for Russell Wilson and the future there in Pittsburgh.
We're gonna talk about the disaster in Chicago, Matt Eberflues
and Tyreek Stevenson having to explain themselves. Plus we'll figure
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
He's cooking, bar Russ is cooking.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
The d ball is back in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
That's how y'all feel.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It looks good man.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Hell yeah, that's how y'all feel.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He was dropping dimes last night.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Oh come on, Eddie, what do you mean.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm with you, Eddie. I'm not down on it. I
just ain't crazy high on it. Yeah, his moments, he
had some good moments. Not going to be overly critical.
I mean, it's the best the offense has looked in
quite some time. It's definitely a different offense with him
in there. I said that the first game he played.
(02:08):
You said that. I did say that it's a different
offense than it operates. It's more open, it's more it's
it's more prolific with him in there. I did say
that give najy hair nausey dab important, not Dave important.
I always go back. I used to have nightmares about him.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I can't get his name out of my head.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Number forty one.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Bro, that's a big mother lover man. Uh yeah, Najy
Harris and and what's my what's my other guy's name?
The other running back. I think it's a very nice
they're very they're complimentary one another. It does does very
well to help that offense out. It helps that O
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line out. I think Russ. I think Russ is at
times finding comfort and finding his rhythm. I think at
other times, you know, they gotta finish. They got to
figure out how to finish drives. That's probably the biggest
thing I took away from from them on offense. They
got to finish, figure out how to finish drives. But
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I mean it overall, all in all, they're better. It's
a better it's a better offense with Russell Wilson in there.
I mean, I don't think anybody will debate that. I
mean they're six and two and uh yeah, but you
know what, they've been undefeated, and people like yourself, Jonas
and and people like say like Rob Parker and all
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that stuff. You know, y'all call them fools goal teams
and stuff like that. They can go almost an entire
season undefeated. Call them fools gold So I mean them
having two losses doesn't really matter. I would assume that
was one.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Of my favorite Rob Parker takes.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
The Steelers are in the midst of a twelve and
zero start, like twenty twenty, and Rob goes.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
They're the worst twelve and ozero team in the history
of the NFL. Like, oh yeah, Rob, who's second worst?
That's suck the point? What do you mean, dude? They've
won twelve games.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I listened to his show yesterday driving home from South Bay,
and they're pretty interesting characters. I mean it literally is
an interesting like all out like I don't know what
you call it. Is it a debate? Is it back?
I don't even really know what it is, but it's interesting. Yeah,
(04:36):
he loves he's mister hot take. But the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Why is there Panza being delivered to the studio right
now at Lee's hungry? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Is that is that new?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh? Oh oh, that's fine. I just feel like, is
there a pipe bombing there?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
There? There are control rooms Shenanigans that are growing by
the day in there, man, And that is the show.
It really is the show.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Do we feel like Lee's going just off the radar?
He's just he's slowly falling apart.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
This has nothing to do with me.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The question.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Coop said that they brought do you know that was
my favorite dessert?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Glaze glaze covered pizza bytes to the studio.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
All right, let's everyone stay focused here, all right, let's
get back on track.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
All right.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The real story here is the Dan Pittsburgh Steelers, all right,
and they deserve respect. And I'd also like to know
why getting two right feet inbounds doesn't count as two
feet in general?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
I don't get it. The George Pickens catch. It should
have been a.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Touchdown because it was the same foot. Who cares it's
two feet? Like he tapped two feet down. It doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I thought you had to get the other foot down,
like another body part down, like your butt, your arm,
your foot. I didn't think it could beat the same foot.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah, it's a foot in something else. But he tapped
it twice, And honestly, it should be a rule that
should be looked at because in that instance, it's all
he could do, and yet he maintained possession of the
football all the way through hitting the ground. I think
the NFL should look at it. It's a very rare circumstance.
(06:37):
But it was an unbelievable play and one that probably
warrants saying, all right, and maybe this is deemed to
catch based on how he was able to control the
ball all the way into the ground. It seems rather
unfair if he's not able to. I mean, it's hard
to do, and yet he was able to do it,
and it's still called in.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Complayit it's almost harder to do that than it is
to get the other foot down, Like you literally used
the same foot to get down twice. And it's like,
if that was a foot and a knee, that's a touchdown.
But it was the same foot that he tapped twice,
and they called it no touchdown.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It's just bizarre. It's a weird rule. Oh well, you know,
I don't know. When I looked at it, I'm like,
all right, I looked for the other body part. That's
kind of how I did it. But I think them
legislating the physicality out of the game. The continued legislation
of that. Now, that to me is what's most egregious.
(07:35):
I just think that at some point you're gonna get
to a place of where just just put a halo
around the quarterback. Please like stop like do away with sacks,
do away with anything that has to do with the
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physicality of the quarterback. Let the quarterback be the quarterback.
I don't know how you figure out when the play
is dead, I really don't. Maybe you put a flag
on them. And and it's funny, you know. Greg Lloyd
said this like many many many years ago when he
got flagged for a hit on Dann Marino, which by
the way, was a big ass hit, but he said,
(08:19):
just put flags on them. I'm I'm getting to the point,
not even just this right now.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
It just happened last night.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
The small said there was there was a call on
there was a roughing the quarterback call that it just
made me look at all of the roughing the quarterback
calls that are being called. It's just it's it's crazy
egregious the way that calls are being made against hits
on the quarterback. I think they should put flags on
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the quarterback. I really do. So.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
This is just from the entirety of the weekend or
last night.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, there wasn't actual roughing the passer last night
where I was like, how do I think it was
I Smith that got it?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
How how does that? Like, how does it happen? It
just doesn't. It doesn't. I know, he tapped his toe twice.
I've watched. I watched the real time. I mean, I
didn't know if you followed the Steelers. That's all why I
saw it. I saw the game. I mean he tapped
his toe twice. I mean, I don't know, but it wasn't.
It wasn't another body part.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I think that that's the real issue in the outside
of roughing the passer.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I just we were talking about rules and calls and
stuff like that just made me start thinking about rules
and calls as a defender, and that that was where
I settled in on. I just I think it's crazy.
You can't if you go back to the catch.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
The weird thing is when you watch it, you kind
of go, yeah, that looks like a catch, Like they're like,
there's no part. When I watched that, I thought, oh,
he actually tapped the same foot twice. It looked like
he tapped two feet it just happened to be the
same foot.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's the one that kind of surprised.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I just never thought. I never thought of it in
that regard, to be honest, Like he tapped the same
toe twice, Like I just thought that you had to
use a different body part. I never even looked at
it that way, Like when I saw it, I never
even looked at it like he made the catch because
he used the same foot twice, that'd be like if oh,
(10:15):
well he drug it, he drug it for who knows
how long? And well because he had control of the
ball and he drug his toe before he went out
of bounce, that he drug it long enough. I don't know.
I just never looked I always looked at it as
it had to be two different body parts. That's how
I always looked at it. I don't know that throw.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Russ had on the sideline to George Pickens.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
The one of the Pickens was a dived the whole time.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Like it really, you know, like if you go back
to and we've talked about this before, but if you
go back to last year, it's really like Russ had
one down year.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Right, that's which mind you mind you, okay?
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Nathaniel Hackett coach team in Denver, and we saw what
happened to that team, that offense Nathaniel Hackett. Oh see
with his boy Aaron Rodgers. How'd that work out?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So far? This year?
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Not even calling plays anymore, that team still a disaster.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
But like last year, Russ wasn't bad, not at all.
It was really that one year that everyone just assumes,
Oh he's washed, Like is he the same like in
his at his peak in Seattle. No, but he's still
a good quarterback man and he's making throws.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
They are much better with him at quarterback. And I
want to apologize to the Steelers because I thought at
this point in the season they would have been more
likely two and six than six and two.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I got that way wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
No, well so did Vegas.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
They were eleven and one, and the odds were for
them eleven to one. They were going to win the
AFC North. They're right now in the in the lead
for the division. Jesus plus eleven hundred before the season.
You know, by the way, I think it was Cleveland,
either Cleveland or since ninety was like plus six, you know,
six hundred six to one.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, that ain't gonna happen. I mean Jamis might bring
him back famous Jamis. I don't know, he's ball. It's
the Jamis that saved Cleveland. Whoa Well, you know another
thing I took away from last evening, Daniel Jones is
not a bad football player. He actually he's actually a
pretty good ball player. He just makes mistakes, like like
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a few mistakes here and there that are really those
here and there mistakes are like costly mistakes like his
the late the late heroics turns into a to an
interception that kind of ice is the game. I mean
he kept them in the game. You know, he made
some good ball player. Like the Giants don't look like
a bad ball team. They just can't win, which makes
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you a bad ball team. But it just made me
start thinking, what year is this for day ball? Is
this his third year? Third? See? I start thinking to myself,
like the the new way of thinking culturally, society wise
is you have to be good right now. Things have
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to be what you want them to be right now.
But there used to be a time where you actually
gave a coach the opportunity to build their staff, to
build their team, to build continuity, to build culture, and
it led to you know, having either a good team
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or it led to a team that you felt like,
I gave you enough time and we'll go in a
different direction. But I almost feel like we've gotten a way.
We've gotten so into instant gratification for how things are done,
and coaches aren't really I mean, are they really able
to coach anymore? Like? Are you really able to legitimately
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have an opportunity to try to build a winner? Yeah?
That's why I started thinking, because I don't feel like
the Giants are actually that far off from being a
team that could actually win again. But are you going
to change coaches and change stats before you get to
that point? Again? The pass rush is legit, defense isn't bad.
(14:12):
Their offense isn't bad either. Actually well, and then they
invested into it right. They drafted Caveon Thibodeau. They you know,
they bring in peace certain people. They had Lawrence up
front too, so you kind of knew that their pass
rush was decent last year. The defense was it was
pretty decent last year. They were actually I think better
at this point the season.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
What's interesting about it is the first year it kind
of set them up to have this frustration with the
lack of progress with the team. Because when you go
nine to seven to one, when you make the playoffs,
even though they were third in the NFC East, they
made the playoffs. That then lends itself to Okay, that's
(14:53):
what we are, like, that's the floor of where we're at.
We're only get better from here. It's so difficult to
make that like incremental improvement or even just to stay
as a winning team or a playoff team. You know,
last year they go six and eleven. It feels like
a disaster. Daniel Jones doesn't play as well. There's frustration
from Dable, this frustration with the staff, you know, Wink
(15:15):
Martindale moves on. The defensive changes that are made as well.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
There's those issues.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
And so then they go another year into going into
this year with Daniel Jones knowing that maybe they weren't
in love with them and that wasn't like my opinion
or our words that was demonstrated on Hard Knocks. Yeah,
you know, it's like that kind of came out. They
wanted to move up in the draft, couldn't do it,
and so they stick with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
They go through the year like that.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
And to your point, like he didn't play poor last night,
but it helps when you have Tyrone Trace who rips
off you one hundred and forty five yards and balls
out for them. They never really had that consistently like
to have with Saquan, which was their decision not to
sign him back. Neighbors has continued to grow as their
their number one kind of wide receiver, though Slayton had
some big plays last night and more yards, But by
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and large, when you look at this team, they just
aren't a team that's like there as far as where
their roster is in order to compete consistently at a
high level. Steelers are completely different, more stable organization as
far as how they've built their roster to compete.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So as much as.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
It's like a head coach, it's also like the entire organization,
like the New York Giants, aren't anywhere close to the
same spot where they were back when they had Eli
and back when they had a lot more stability kind
of on the roster and what they were building, what
they were trying to accomplish. That's more of like where
the Steelers are. The Steelers are the team that's been
like a quarterback away and at least in the last
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two games. It seems like Russell might be the perfect fit,
which is something we talked about kind of before the season,
Like if you got the version of Russell Wilson last
year from Denver, this team is plenty good enough combined
with their defense, because that version the Pittsburgh Steelers fan
base would have killed four to have the last few seasons.
(17:08):
And they look or appears as if that's the version
that they've got, and so far it's worked out really well.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, they look good.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So congratulations Steeler Nation, You've got your quarterback back and
Russell Wilson throwing dimes last night for the old Pittsburgh
Steelers six.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
They learn how to finish, finish drives, they could be dangerous.
Man that they stay healthy on defense, Like I said
Hatsmith on the other side, I mean that is that
is a formidable. That is what Pittsburgh is all about,
having those two bookends. Like that.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
They remember they drafted him like in a spot where
he wasn't didn't have to be the immediate starter, eventually
worked his way into the position. Like that's that's like
an example of the organization that they gets it.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, that's Pittsburgh. Man, that's that's what they do, and
then they could turn out to be I mean, you
look at what James Harrison had to do before he played,
or Jason Gilden before he played, Joey Porter before he played,
like a lot of these guys, they they took a
long road to getting getting to where they even Greg Lloyd,
those guys, I mean, it's just they do it. They
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do it in a way where I mean it's commendable
and and T. J. Watt and high Smith are that
is that is a tremendously nice developing duo on on
the defensive side of the ball. So you know, I
was impressed with with their ability to you know, to
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find a way i'll say, in the game like it
at one point seemed like it was like, Okay, they
they were dominating the game, took over the game, and
the whole feel of the game was was towards the Steelers.
But then you see the New York Giants, you know,
find a way to get back into it and actually
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make it make get into a game. I thought it was.
I thought it was a well played game, even though
it appeared to be kind of boring because it kept
being field goals early on. I thought it was a
well played game by by both teams. I thought that
they were very competitive towards one another.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
I sup and Pittsburgh led the entire game, you know,
like there's no point in like New York it was
able to take the lead, which I mean, I guess
it's it's kind of in the case.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
For New York. If you're a you.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Know, a sports fan with the way the world serious than.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Two pros and the same guy get them too, Like
why they keep letting the same guy hit him for bombs?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Maybe we shouldn't pitch to Freddy Freeman. You think about that.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yes, feel good story.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So we are gonna have the usual fact Joe was
not as impressive as ice Cube. It just didn't come
across the same way. I'm just saying, sorry, damn. I
did like his tims and his Yankees, his jacket, but
he just wasn't as like ice Cube had me ready
to fight. And I'm not even from the West Coat,
you from New York. I'm almost sighted with he ye
(20:04):
me Wes Westside connected up from the CROs coast.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know he's going to be ready to fight later on.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh Pete Prisco's Russell Wilson at a decent game, and
Pete Prisco is probably not going to be happy about that,
so we will we will catch it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
There's nothing pizza that's kind of fruition cousins.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
You know, we do have another edition of in case
you missed it, We've got some leaves leftovers. Also, the
BQ Top fifteen is back in our two of the program,
All that is yours. We take you all the way
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Speaker 2 (20:33):
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Speaker 1 (20:37):
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Speaker 2 (21:00):
I always feel like.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Liz, that's how you feel. Yeah, it will be out
there waiting to see y'all, go to y'all's car and
pass out how I feel right now. He's gonna get
to pick what car he will go into. He going
for Eddie first. Eddie is the first one to roll out.
Eddie's gonna catch that work first. Y'all ain't paying attention
(21:25):
to the baby oil and all that stuff. Y'all here,
enjoy y'allselves. He's gonna get the last enjoyment. Oh all right, Hey,
I mean, I feel like I could come up with
a movie script based off of what goes on here, man,
and people would be like, there's no way people are
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that like that way, like, there's no way that they
would No, there's no way that would happen. There's no
reason for a storyline here. There's no way that would happen. Yeah,
it does. I'm watching it right now, everybody. Look, Look,
Eddie's looking at me like, hey, man, don't judge me,
don't judge me. Look, Lee's happy as hell. Like Lee's like, look,
(22:09):
my belly's been My belly's been prepared for this for
so many times, so many nights. It doesn't matter to me.
The rest of them. I don't know, y'all in trouble.
Everybody's sitting here just chewing away.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Do you even know the guy who brought him the pizza?
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Like everybody chewing away to ask that question, or.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Do you know any of the pizza delivery guys who
deliver your pizza's jonas.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, but if something were that happened. But if something
were to happen, you can hold door dash liable. You
can hold the place there. Yeah, somebody will benefit from that.
There's a lawsuit there, there's a there's a disconnect there
when somebody else that isn't connected delivers.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
It to you.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I hope y'all enjoy your final meal man. Yeah, nice
knowing you.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, we will have another edition
of in case you missed it, coming up here in
about fifteen minutes from now. I don't think anybody missed this.
The gag job by the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
That's a gag job on uh oh, that's all right.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
The gag job of the Bears on Sunday losing on
a hail Mary. Of course, there's all sorts of reaction
to that. Questions that are being asked. One of the
questions was asked to Matt Eberflussi, head coach of Chicago
yesterday because it wasn't so much the final play but
the decision to play the defense the way that he
did on the previous play, which allowed Washington to pick
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up a quick thirteen yards before setting up the final
hail Mary. Here was the Bears head coach talking yesterday.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
You've also downplayed the significance of the thirteen yards on
the previous play.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm curious why you've downplayed that.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
And it seemed like you were motioning towards Jalen to
come up on that play before that play was run.
Speaker 9 (24:01):
Yeah, so they're you know, in that particular situation, you
always know that they're gonna do. You know, with six
seconds to go at the thirty five, they're gonna either
go go for the end zone there or just try
to get more yards and do that. So if you
want to play sideline defense, what they're gonna do is
they're gonna convert to the hill Mary right there and
then just run everybody off the sideline. Then you got
to pick them up from the sideline and do the
same job that you're going to do in the hill Mary.
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So you know, to me, you know, we wanted to
just bring them up so we wouldn't get a something
that's too far down the field, which was to the
forty eight, and then we set up for our hail
Mary at the end.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
But you thought that Jalen could have thrown at seventy
yards there as opposed to fifty.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
No, it's it's it's gonna land. It's going to land somewhere,
but you're gonna end up playing the same type of defense.
It's going to land somewhere in the in that area
how far you can throw it? You know, so sixty
sixty five yards somewhere in there?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
What? Man?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
What that team needs to play another game? A sap
got it too. Can you make sense of it?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:59):
I mean he's trying to make sense for here's the reality.
And I always say this about like coaching and when
reporters people ask about him. When they played prevent defense
in the prior Snapple in rushing three, do you think
he was hoping they would gain thirteen yards?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Like?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Do people out there think that he was like, Oh,
that's okay. They gained thirteen yards. Of course not. It
wasn't executed the way he thought. He was thinking that
they were going to try to take more of a
chunk than just try to get thirteen yards quick to
set themselves up for a hail mary, which, mind you,
if they don't catch the hail mary, we do have
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this conversation. Yeah, no one cares about the play before
the hail Mary that gave him thirteen yards. So so
like hindsight's always twenty twenty, we always want to be
critical of like this and that and that little thing.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
You know, why not go back to the first second
quarter of some.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Of those you know, either poor calls or things that
you were frustrated about and all that. Why just make
a specific to the final two plays of the game.
I mean, they all add up at some point. So
that's the only sense that I can make of it.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I'll say this because I've got a buddy who tends
to be overly critical of Made mcfluis and the Chicago Bears,
and I'm not talking about you, Jonas, but one of
the things he pointed out was he like, how do
you only rush three on the hail Mary? I said, oh, okay,
let's just pause for a second. You know, it's not
that uncommon.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I got that question too, right.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
That's that they rush three, and typically what you do
is you put a fourth guy over the point guy
of the bunch and he's going to jam the life
out of the point guy of the bunch of receivers
and then he'll eventually rush. He'll be more of like
a delayed rush. And the reason why you do that
is you're you're basically making it harder for one, if
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not two of the guys, depending on how well that
defensive lineman jams them to get down the field, which obviously,
if they're not down the field, Jane Daniels or whatever
the quarterback is can't throw the football for the hail
Mary if no one's down there, so he's got to
buy more time. The other thing is is you get
this delayed rush that makes it hard for the offensive
line who initially sees three guys trying to rush, but
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now they've got a fourth guy coming in from a
different angle, so it actually stresses a little bit of
the protection. Now, in this case, they were worried about
Jaden and Daniels leaving the pocket, so they actually had
four guys up front, but they dropped off one as
kind of a spy in the sense that he would,
you know, might take not take off and run, but
try to scramble outside the pock to make a play.
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The spy never really had an impact in that instance,
so he was able to get the throw off. But
even if it is, whether you're rushing three rushing four,
I mean you got seven or eight guys back in coverage.
You can only have five guys eligible to receive the ball,
So do the math on that you're at a minimum
doubling two of those guys, maybe three. I always feel
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like what bothered me more than anything else is when
you don't have like players pick up those receivers earlier,
as opposed to just catching them like they're supposed to
be a catch man technique. But if you have those
defensive players pick them up sooner to slow them down,
disrupt a little bit of where they're running and where
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they're trying to get to, and then a couple of
guys back at a minimum who were able to watch
the quarterback and make a play on the football itself.
That to me, is a more effective way than just
having everyone kind of waiting down near the end zone
to try to make a play on it and tipping
the football. So we can dissect the last two plays
of the game, all we won. The reality is Tyrek
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Stevenson wasn't even quite prepared ready. There's a lack of
execution on the play prior and Obviously, the hail Mary
play itself, it's not going to change the results. Like
clearly they were trying to implement the defenses they thought
would be most effective to get a stop and finish
that game. You know, if you wanted to play it
all up pressure, okay, and then then then if they
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give up a big play, or if there's a quick
pass and a catch and run that ends up being
a big play, then we're.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Having a conversation about that.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
So, like, you can't sit there and be upset about
the result and then go back and dissect every little thing.
Like what he did was what many defensive head coaches
or coordinators have done for years. They just didn't execute.
And a lot of it had to do with the
players in the field, not so much the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Don't let them get behind you. Don't let anybody get
behind you. That's it. That's all I'm I We could
go like, I think that's great reasoning that you just gave.
Don't let anybody get behind you. To hell Mary. In fact,
and when you really think about it, those three three
guys rushing you just you do what you can do.
You're out manned, you're outnumbered. Everybody knows that. So if
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they're going to block you, they're going to block you.
It's it's meant to be a prevent defense because you're
preventing them from getting into the end zone. You're you're
that's a last player of the game when you're in
a prevent Maybe it could be a if it was
a field goal scenario, then it's different. If it's different,
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But if it's a you gotta absolutely get into the
end zone. No negotiables there. You gotta get in. You
cannot allow anyone behind the defense. That's as simple as
it gets. That's it. That's it. And you know what,
last time I checked, I've never seen a coach stay
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behind the offense on a hail mary throw. I've never
seen it. I've never seen it. And if they can
catch it, if they can catch it like in the
scrum and the pole up that they have of all
the players that are there in coverage, then that's the
luck of the draw. But it is a absolute cardinal
sin to allow an offensive player to catch the ball
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behind the defense in a hail mary play case close.
There is no more debate, Like there is no hindsight,
there is no hey Eberflus what, there is, no nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
If they could play Arizona tomorrow, they would sign up
for that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
They got to get this taste out of their mouth.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
It really like.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
They need to get to another game and just forget
everything that happened.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Caler Murray is pretty good at throwing hill Mary's.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
They probably need a few more days.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Of practice something, you know. Listen, what are the odds?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Though?
Speaker 6 (31:27):
I would love to be in the fly in the
room for the film breakdown and for Tyree Stevenson. Oh god,
I mean, LeVar, you've been in those defensive meetings? Oh bro,
I mean it's probably a team meeting because it's it's
so egregious that Matty Eberflus wants to bring it to
everyone's attention and kind of point out one of those deals.
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I always thought the best head coaches that I was
around would do that with the entirety of the team,
because when you're holding a guy accountable to me, it
helps when the entire team is able to win something
like that and go no, no, this needs to be
addressed in front of the entire team.
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Speaker 4 (33:09):
Good more than everybody.
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Speaker 10 (33:13):
Hey guys, In case you missed this, Uh, hey LeVar,
Hey guys.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
In case you missed this.
Speaker 10 (33:17):
Following the Patriots win over the Jets this weekend, Patriots
defense of women, Hey Brady, Patriots defensive lineman, Hey what.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I'm good to be here?
Speaker 5 (33:29):
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Speaker 6 (33:30):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (33:30):
In case you missed Pat's defensive lineman, Devon Godshaw had
a blunt assessment of Aaron Rodgers following the game, saying,
the Hall of Fame quarterback hate to see him go
out this way. He definitely doesn't look the same. He
kept moving back there, but dang, I could run him
down and catch him. He doesn't look mobile at all.
That's good for us.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Dang, that's what you call shit boom grenade.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Was he talking about Rogers or Greg Zerline? Oh no,
because that's who really is the culprit there with the Jets.
Rogers is innocent on all charges, all right, Damn Greg Zerline,
who's cost him three different games in New York this year.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hey, Rogers forty one, he's gonna be forty one years old.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
That I can run him down?
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Yeah, I mean you'd think that he could at his age,
So it's not a surprise, but I don't know, man,
it feels like it feels like the Jets are in
a really tough spot.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
That's like kick a man while he's down. Action right there, man.
I mean, it was just convenient to do in that moment.
I guess what else we got leave guys.
Speaker 10 (34:41):
In case you missed this, last night, it was revealed
that forty four year old Giselle Bunching is now pregnant
with her jiu jitsu instructor Joaquim Valente's child.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
She accord to TMZ, she did gather Tom Brady and
their children and let them know before the media cut.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Wins see telling me they did it at least once,
is what was what you're saying?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Well, when you know, when you know that jiu jitsu,
you know how to maneuver and how to angle the
right ways, you know what I mean? A lot of grapple.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That dars choke is no joke you put on that
you put on that anaconda grip. If those are real moves,
By the way, I want to be clear on that,
it's wax on.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's a real move. Wat's off hoe.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Hey by the way, good for them though, if they're
in love, and that.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I could cure less moving on. Just think it's funny
to associate jiu jitsu with pregnancy. That's I mean, the
two together just makes for a funny lab would be
a good laugh.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I'm happy for him, like I just you know, I
want I want everybody to to feel real love.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
And you know, Banza, I don't all that's jiu jitsu.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Oh, that's a truth. That's I'm thinking of, mister Millage.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That's a damn
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
He's cooking, bar Russ is cooking.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
The d ball is back in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
That's how y'all feel.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It looks good man.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Hell yeah, that's how y'all feel.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He was dropping dimes last night.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Oh come on, Eddie, what do you mean.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm with you, Eddie. I'm not down on it. I
just ain't crazy high on it. Yeah, his moments, he
had some good moments. Not going to be overly critical.
I mean, it's the best the offense has looked in
quite some time. It's definitely a different offense with him
in there. I said that the first game he played.
(02:08):
You said that. I did say that it's a different
offense than it operates. It's more open, it's more it's
it's more prolific with him in there. I did say
that give najy hair nausey dab important, not Dave important.
I always go back. I used to have nightmares about him.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I can't get his name out of my head.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Number forty one.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Bro, that's a big mother lover man. Uh yeah, Najy
Harris and and what's my what's my other guy's name?
The other running back. I think it's a very nice
they're very they're complimentary one another. It does does very
well to help that offense out. It helps that O
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line out. I think Russ. I think Russ is at
times finding comfort and finding his rhythm. I think at
other times, you know, they gotta finish. They got to
figure out how to finish drives. That's probably the biggest
thing I took away from from them on offense. They
got to finish, figure out how to finish drives. But
(03:21):
I mean it overall, all in all, they're better. It's
a better it's a better offense with Russell Wilson in there.
I mean, I don't think anybody will debate that. I
mean they're six and two and uh yeah, but you
know what, they've been undefeated, and people like yourself, Jonas
and and people like say like Rob Parker and all
(03:42):
that stuff. You know, y'all call them fools goal teams
and stuff like that. They can go almost an entire
season undefeated. Call them fools gold So I mean them
having two losses doesn't really matter. I would assume that
was one.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Of my favorite Rob Parker takes.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
The Steelers are in the midst of a twelve and
zero start, like twenty twenty, and Rob goes.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
They're the worst twelve and ozero team in the history
of the NFL. Like, oh yeah, Rob, who's second worst?
That's suck the point? What do you mean, dude? They've
won twelve games.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I listened to his show yesterday driving home from South Bay,
and they're pretty interesting characters. I mean it literally is
an interesting like all out like I don't know what
you call it. Is it a debate? Is it back?
I don't even really know what it is, but it's interesting. Yeah,
(04:36):
he loves he's mister hot take. But the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Why is there Panza being delivered to the studio right
now at Lee's hungry? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Is that is that new?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh? Oh oh, that's fine. I just feel like, is
there a pipe bombing there?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
There? There are control rooms Shenanigans that are growing by
the day in there, man, And that is the show.
It really is the show.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Do we feel like Lee's going just off the radar?
He's just he's slowly falling apart.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
This has nothing to do with me.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The question.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Coop said that they brought do you know that was
my favorite dessert?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Glaze glaze covered pizza bytes to the studio.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
All right, let's everyone stay focused here, all right, let's
get back on track.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
All right.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The real story here is the Dan Pittsburgh Steelers, all right,
and they deserve respect. And I'd also like to know
why getting two right feet inbounds doesn't count as two
feet in general?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
I don't get it. The George Pickens catch. It should
have been a.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Touchdown because it was the same foot. Who cares it's
two feet? Like he tapped two feet down. It doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I thought you had to get the other foot down,
like another body part down, like your butt, your arm,
your foot. I didn't think it could beat the same foot.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah, it's a foot in something else. But he tapped
it twice, And honestly, it should be a rule that
should be looked at because in that instance, it's all
he could do, and yet he maintained possession of the
football all the way through hitting the ground. I think
the NFL should look at it. It's a very rare circumstance.
(06:37):
But it was an unbelievable play and one that probably
warrants saying, all right, and maybe this is deemed to
catch based on how he was able to control the
ball all the way into the ground. It seems rather
unfair if he's not able to. I mean, it's hard
to do, and yet he was able to do it,
and it's still called in.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Complayit it's almost harder to do that than it is
to get the other foot down, Like you literally used
the same foot to get down twice. And it's like,
if that was a foot and a knee, that's a touchdown.
But it was the same foot that he tapped twice,
and they called it no touchdown.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It's just bizarre. It's a weird rule. Oh well, you know,
I don't know. When I looked at it, I'm like,
all right, I looked for the other body part. That's
kind of how I did it. But I think them
legislating the physicality out of the game. The continued legislation
of that. Now, that to me is what's most egregious.
(07:35):
I just think that at some point you're gonna get
to a place of where just just put a halo
around the quarterback. Please like stop like do away with sacks,
do away with anything that has to do with the
(07:55):
physicality of the quarterback. Let the quarterback be the quarterback.
I don't know how you figure out when the play
is dead, I really don't. Maybe you put a flag
on them. And and it's funny, you know. Greg Lloyd
said this like many many many years ago when he
got flagged for a hit on Dann Marino, which by
the way, was a big ass hit, but he said,
(08:19):
just put flags on them. I'm I'm getting to the point,
not even just this right now.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
It just happened last night.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
The small said there was there was a call on
there was a roughing the quarterback call that it just
made me look at all of the roughing the quarterback
calls that are being called. It's just it's it's crazy
egregious the way that calls are being made against hits
on the quarterback. I think they should put flags on
(08:48):
the quarterback. I really do. So.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
This is just from the entirety of the weekend or
last night.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, there wasn't actual roughing the passer last night
where I was like, how do I think it was
I Smith that got it?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
How how does that? Like, how does it happen? It
just doesn't. It doesn't. I know, he tapped his toe twice.
I've watched. I watched the real time. I mean, I
didn't know if you followed the Steelers. That's all why I
saw it. I saw the game. I mean he tapped
his toe twice. I mean, I don't know, but it wasn't.
It wasn't another body part.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I think that that's the real issue in the outside
of roughing the passer.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I just we were talking about rules and calls and
stuff like that just made me start thinking about rules
and calls as a defender, and that that was where
I settled in on. I just I think it's crazy.
You can't if you go back to the catch.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
The weird thing is when you watch it, you kind
of go, yeah, that looks like a catch, Like they're like,
there's no part. When I watched that, I thought, oh,
he actually tapped the same foot twice. It looked like
he tapped two feet it just happened to be the
same foot.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's the one that kind of surprised.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I just never thought. I never thought of it in
that regard, to be honest, Like he tapped the same
toe twice, Like I just thought that you had to
use a different body part. I never even looked at
it that way, Like when I saw it, I never
even looked at it like he made the catch because
he used the same foot twice, that'd be like if oh,
(10:15):
well he drug it, he drug it for who knows
how long? And well because he had control of the
ball and he drug his toe before he went out
of bounce, that he drug it long enough. I don't know.
I just never looked I always looked at it as
it had to be two different body parts. That's how
I always looked at it. I don't know that throw.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Russ had on the sideline to George Pickens.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
The one of the Pickens was a dived the whole time.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Like it really, you know, like if you go back
to and we've talked about this before, but if you
go back to last year, it's really like Russ had
one down year.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Right, that's which mind you mind you, okay?
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Nathaniel Hackett coach team in Denver, and we saw what
happened to that team, that offense Nathaniel Hackett. Oh see
with his boy Aaron Rodgers. How'd that work out?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So far? This year?
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Not even calling plays anymore, that team still a disaster.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
But like last year, Russ wasn't bad, not at all.
It was really that one year that everyone just assumes,
Oh he's washed, Like is he the same like in
his at his peak in Seattle. No, but he's still
a good quarterback man and he's making throws.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
They are much better with him at quarterback. And I
want to apologize to the Steelers because I thought at
this point in the season they would have been more
likely two and six than six and two.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I got that way wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
No, well so did Vegas.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
They were eleven and one, and the odds were for
them eleven to one. They were going to win the
AFC North. They're right now in the in the lead
for the division. Jesus plus eleven hundred before the season.
You know, by the way, I think it was Cleveland,
either Cleveland or since ninety was like plus six, you know,
six hundred six to one.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, that ain't gonna happen. I mean Jamis might bring
him back famous Jamis. I don't know, he's ball. It's
the Jamis that saved Cleveland. Whoa Well, you know another
thing I took away from last evening, Daniel Jones is
not a bad football player. He actually he's actually a
pretty good ball player. He just makes mistakes, like like
(12:27):
a few mistakes here and there that are really those
here and there mistakes are like costly mistakes like his
the late the late heroics turns into a to an
interception that kind of ice is the game. I mean
he kept them in the game. You know, he made
some good ball player. Like the Giants don't look like
a bad ball team. They just can't win, which makes
(12:49):
you a bad ball team. But it just made me
start thinking, what year is this for day ball? Is
this his third year? Third? See? I start thinking to myself,
like the the new way of thinking culturally, society wise
is you have to be good right now. Things have
(13:09):
to be what you want them to be right now.
But there used to be a time where you actually
gave a coach the opportunity to build their staff, to
build their team, to build continuity, to build culture, and
it led to you know, having either a good team
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or it led to a team that you felt like,
I gave you enough time and we'll go in a
different direction. But I almost feel like we've gotten a way.
We've gotten so into instant gratification for how things are done,
and coaches aren't really I mean, are they really able
to coach anymore? Like? Are you really able to legitimately
(13:52):
have an opportunity to try to build a winner? Yeah?
That's why I started thinking, because I don't feel like
the Giants are actually that far off from being a
team that could actually win again. But are you going
to change coaches and change stats before you get to
that point? Again? The pass rush is legit, defense isn't bad.
(14:12):
Their offense isn't bad either. Actually well, and then they
invested into it right. They drafted Caveon Thibodeau. They you know,
they bring in peace certain people. They had Lawrence up
front too, so you kind of knew that their pass
rush was decent last year. The defense was it was
pretty decent last year. They were actually I think better
at this point the season.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
What's interesting about it is the first year it kind
of set them up to have this frustration with the
lack of progress with the team. Because when you go
nine to seven to one, when you make the playoffs,
even though they were third in the NFC East, they
made the playoffs. That then lends itself to Okay, that's
(14:53):
what we are, like, that's the floor of where we're at.
We're only get better from here. It's so difficult to
make that like incremental improvement or even just to stay
as a winning team or a playoff team. You know,
last year they go six and eleven. It feels like
a disaster. Daniel Jones doesn't play as well. There's frustration
from Dable, this frustration with the staff, you know, Wink
(15:15):
Martindale moves on. The defensive changes that are made as well.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
There's those issues.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
And so then they go another year into going into
this year with Daniel Jones knowing that maybe they weren't
in love with them and that wasn't like my opinion
or our words that was demonstrated on Hard Knocks. Yeah,
you know, it's like that kind of came out. They
wanted to move up in the draft, couldn't do it,
and so they stick with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
They go through the year like that.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
And to your point, like he didn't play poor last night,
but it helps when you have Tyrone Trace who rips
off you one hundred and forty five yards and balls
out for them. They never really had that consistently like
to have with Saquan, which was their decision not to
sign him back. Neighbors has continued to grow as their
their number one kind of wide receiver, though Slayton had
some big plays last night and more yards, But by
(16:06):
and large, when you look at this team, they just
aren't a team that's like there as far as where
their roster is in order to compete consistently at a
high level. Steelers are completely different, more stable organization as
far as how they've built their roster to compete.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So as much as.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
It's like a head coach, it's also like the entire organization,
like the New York Giants, aren't anywhere close to the
same spot where they were back when they had Eli
and back when they had a lot more stability kind
of on the roster and what they were building, what
they were trying to accomplish. That's more of like where
the Steelers are. The Steelers are the team that's been
like a quarterback away and at least in the last
(16:45):
two games. It seems like Russell might be the perfect fit,
which is something we talked about kind of before the season,
Like if you got the version of Russell Wilson last
year from Denver, this team is plenty good enough combined
with their defense, because that version the Pittsburgh Steelers fan
base would have killed four to have the last few seasons.
(17:08):
And they look or appears as if that's the version
that they've got, and so far it's worked out really well.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, they look good.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So congratulations Steeler Nation, You've got your quarterback back and
Russell Wilson throwing dimes last night for the old Pittsburgh
Steelers six.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
They learn how to finish, finish drives, they could be dangerous.
Man that they stay healthy on defense, Like I said
Hatsmith on the other side, I mean that is that
is a formidable. That is what Pittsburgh is all about,
having those two bookends. Like that.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
They remember they drafted him like in a spot where
he wasn't didn't have to be the immediate starter, eventually
worked his way into the position. Like that's that's like
an example of the organization that they gets it.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, that's Pittsburgh. Man, that's that's what they do, and
then they could turn out to be I mean, you
look at what James Harrison had to do before he played,
or Jason Gilden before he played, Joey Porter before he played,
like a lot of these guys, they they took a
long road to getting getting to where they even Greg Lloyd,
those guys, I mean, it's just they do it. They
(18:16):
do it in a way where I mean it's commendable
and and T. J. Watt and high Smith are that
is that is a tremendously nice developing duo on on
the defensive side of the ball. So you know, I
was impressed with with their ability to you know, to
(18:38):
find a way i'll say, in the game like it
at one point seemed like it was like, Okay, they
they were dominating the game, took over the game, and
the whole feel of the game was was towards the Steelers.
But then you see the New York Giants, you know,
find a way to get back into it and actually
(18:59):
make it make get into a game. I thought it was.
I thought it was a well played game, even though
it appeared to be kind of boring because it kept
being field goals early on. I thought it was a
well played game by by both teams. I thought that
they were very competitive towards one another.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
I sup and Pittsburgh led the entire game, you know,
like there's no point in like New York it was
able to take the lead, which I mean, I guess
it's it's kind of in the case.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
For New York. If you're a you.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Know, a sports fan with the way the world serious than.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Two pros and the same guy get them too, Like
why they keep letting the same guy hit him for bombs?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Maybe we shouldn't pitch to Freddy Freeman. You think about that.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yes, feel good story.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So we are gonna have the usual fact Joe was
not as impressive as ice Cube. It just didn't come
across the same way. I'm just saying, sorry, damn. I
did like his tims and his Yankees, his jacket, but
he just wasn't as like ice Cube had me ready
to fight. And I'm not even from the West Coat,
you from New York. I'm almost sighted with he ye
(20:04):
me Wes Westside connected up from the CROs coast.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know he's going to be ready to fight later on.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh Pete Prisco's Russell Wilson at a decent game, and
Pete Prisco is probably not going to be happy about that,
so we will we will catch it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
There's nothing pizza that's kind of fruition cousins.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
You know, we do have another edition of in case
you missed it, We've got some leaves leftovers. Also, the
BQ Top fifteen is back in our two of the program,
All that is yours. We take you all the way
up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Coming up next here though, the mess continues on.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
For one team in the NFL, we will tell you
who they are right here on FSR.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (21:00):
I always feel like.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Liz, that's how you feel. Yeah, it will be out
there waiting to see y'all, go to y'all's car and
pass out how I feel right now. He's gonna get
to pick what car he will go into. He going
for Eddie first. Eddie is the first one to roll out.
Eddie's gonna catch that work first. Y'all ain't paying attention
(21:25):
to the baby oil and all that stuff. Y'all here,
enjoy y'allselves. He's gonna get the last enjoyment. Oh all right, Hey,
I mean, I feel like I could come up with
a movie script based off of what goes on here, man,
and people would be like, there's no way people are
(21:46):
that like that way, like, there's no way that they
would No, there's no way that would happen. There's no
reason for a storyline here. There's no way that would happen. Yeah,
it does. I'm watching it right now, everybody. Look, Look,
Eddie's looking at me like, hey, man, don't judge me,
don't judge me. Look, Lee's happy as hell. Like Lee's like, look,
(22:09):
my belly's been My belly's been prepared for this for
so many times, so many nights. It doesn't matter to me.
The rest of them. I don't know, y'all in trouble.
Everybody's sitting here just chewing away.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Do you even know the guy who brought him the pizza?
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Like everybody chewing away to ask that question, or.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Do you know any of the pizza delivery guys who
deliver your pizza's jonas.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, but if something were that happened. But if something
were to happen, you can hold door dash liable. You
can hold the place there. Yeah, somebody will benefit from that.
There's a lawsuit there, there's a there's a disconnect there
when somebody else that isn't connected delivers.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
It to you.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I hope y'all enjoy your final meal man. Yeah, nice
knowing you.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, we will have another edition
of in case you missed it, coming up here in
about fifteen minutes from now. I don't think anybody missed this.
The gag job by the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
That's a gag job on uh oh, that's all right.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
The gag job of the Bears on Sunday losing on
a hail Mary. Of course, there's all sorts of reaction
to that. Questions that are being asked. One of the
questions was asked to Matt Eberflussi, head coach of Chicago
yesterday because it wasn't so much the final play but
the decision to play the defense the way that he
did on the previous play, which allowed Washington to pick
(23:44):
up a quick thirteen yards before setting up the final
hail Mary. Here was the Bears head coach talking yesterday.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
You've also downplayed the significance of the thirteen yards on
the previous play.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm curious why you've downplayed that.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
And it seemed like you were motioning towards Jalen to
come up on that play before that play was run.
Speaker 9 (24:01):
Yeah, so they're you know, in that particular situation, you
always know that they're gonna do. You know, with six
seconds to go at the thirty five, they're gonna either
go go for the end zone there or just try
to get more yards and do that. So if you
want to play sideline defense, what they're gonna do is
they're gonna convert to the hill Mary right there and
then just run everybody off the sideline. Then you got
to pick them up from the sideline and do the
same job that you're going to do in the hill Mary.
(24:23):
So you know, to me, you know, we wanted to
just bring them up so we wouldn't get a something
that's too far down the field, which was to the
forty eight, and then we set up for our hail
Mary at the end.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
But you thought that Jalen could have thrown at seventy
yards there as opposed to fifty.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
No, it's it's it's gonna land. It's going to land somewhere,
but you're gonna end up playing the same type of defense.
It's going to land somewhere in the in that area
how far you can throw it? You know, so sixty
sixty five yards somewhere in there?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
What? Man?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
What that team needs to play another game? A sap
got it too. Can you make sense of it?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:59):
I mean he's trying to make sense for here's the reality.
And I always say this about like coaching and when
reporters people ask about him. When they played prevent defense
in the prior Snapple in rushing three, do you think
he was hoping they would gain thirteen yards?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Like?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Do people out there think that he was like, Oh,
that's okay. They gained thirteen yards. Of course not. It
wasn't executed the way he thought. He was thinking that
they were going to try to take more of a
chunk than just try to get thirteen yards quick to
set themselves up for a hail mary, which, mind you,
if they don't catch the hail mary, we do have
(25:38):
this conversation. Yeah, no one cares about the play before
the hail Mary that gave him thirteen yards. So so
like hindsight's always twenty twenty, we always want to be
critical of like this and that and that little thing.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
You know, why not go back to the first second
quarter of some.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Of those you know, either poor calls or things that
you were frustrated about and all that. Why just make
a specific to the final two plays of the game.
I mean, they all add up at some point. So
that's the only sense that I can make of it.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I'll say this because I've got a buddy who tends
to be overly critical of Made mcfluis and the Chicago Bears,
and I'm not talking about you, Jonas, but one of
the things he pointed out was he like, how do
you only rush three on the hail Mary? I said, oh, okay,
let's just pause for a second. You know, it's not
that uncommon.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I got that question too, right.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
That's that they rush three, and typically what you do
is you put a fourth guy over the point guy
of the bunch and he's going to jam the life
out of the point guy of the bunch of receivers
and then he'll eventually rush. He'll be more of like
a delayed rush. And the reason why you do that
is you're you're basically making it harder for one, if
(26:48):
not two of the guys, depending on how well that
defensive lineman jams them to get down the field, which obviously,
if they're not down the field, Jane Daniels or whatever
the quarterback is can't throw the football for the hail
Mary if no one's down there, so he's got to
buy more time. The other thing is is you get
this delayed rush that makes it hard for the offensive
line who initially sees three guys trying to rush, but
(27:09):
now they've got a fourth guy coming in from a
different angle, so it actually stresses a little bit of
the protection. Now, in this case, they were worried about
Jaden and Daniels leaving the pocket, so they actually had
four guys up front, but they dropped off one as
kind of a spy in the sense that he would,
you know, might take not take off and run, but
try to scramble outside the pock to make a play.
(27:31):
The spy never really had an impact in that instance,
so he was able to get the throw off. But
even if it is, whether you're rushing three rushing four,
I mean you got seven or eight guys back in coverage.
You can only have five guys eligible to receive the ball,
So do the math on that you're at a minimum
doubling two of those guys, maybe three. I always feel
(27:53):
like what bothered me more than anything else is when
you don't have like players pick up those receivers earlier,
as opposed to just catching them like they're supposed to
be a catch man technique. But if you have those
defensive players pick them up sooner to slow them down,
disrupt a little bit of where they're running and where
(28:13):
they're trying to get to, and then a couple of
guys back at a minimum who were able to watch
the quarterback and make a play on the football itself.
That to me, is a more effective way than just
having everyone kind of waiting down near the end zone
to try to make a play on it and tipping
the football. So we can dissect the last two plays
of the game, all we won. The reality is Tyrek
(28:34):
Stevenson wasn't even quite prepared ready. There's a lack of
execution on the play prior and Obviously, the hail Mary
play itself, it's not going to change the results. Like
clearly they were trying to implement the defenses they thought
would be most effective to get a stop and finish
that game. You know, if you wanted to play it
all up pressure, okay, and then then then if they
(28:56):
give up a big play, or if there's a quick
pass and a catch and run that ends up being
a big play, then we're.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Having a conversation about that.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
So, like, you can't sit there and be upset about
the result and then go back and dissect every little thing.
Like what he did was what many defensive head coaches
or coordinators have done for years. They just didn't execute.
And a lot of it had to do with the
players in the field, not so much the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Don't let them get behind you. Don't let anybody get
behind you. That's it. That's all I'm I We could
go like, I think that's great reasoning that you just gave.
Don't let anybody get behind you. To hell Mary. In fact,
and when you really think about it, those three three
guys rushing you just you do what you can do.
You're out manned, you're outnumbered. Everybody knows that. So if
(29:44):
they're going to block you, they're going to block you.
It's it's meant to be a prevent defense because you're
preventing them from getting into the end zone. You're you're
that's a last player of the game when you're in
a prevent Maybe it could be a if it was
a field goal scenario, then it's different. If it's different,
(30:04):
But if it's a you gotta absolutely get into the
end zone. No negotiables there. You gotta get in. You
cannot allow anyone behind the defense. That's as simple as
it gets. That's it. That's it. And you know what,
last time I checked, I've never seen a coach stay
(30:26):
behind the offense on a hail mary throw. I've never
seen it. I've never seen it. And if they can
catch it, if they can catch it like in the
scrum and the pole up that they have of all
the players that are there in coverage, then that's the
luck of the draw. But it is a absolute cardinal
sin to allow an offensive player to catch the ball
(30:52):
behind the defense in a hail mary play case close.
There is no more debate, Like there is no hindsight,
there is no hey Eberflus what, there is, no nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
If they could play Arizona tomorrow, they would sign up
for that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
They got to get this taste out of their mouth.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
It really like.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
They need to get to another game and just forget
everything that happened.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Caler Murray is pretty good at throwing hill Mary's.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
They probably need a few more days.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Of practice something, you know. Listen, what are the odds?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Though?
Speaker 6 (31:27):
I would love to be in the fly in the
room for the film breakdown and for Tyree Stevenson. Oh god,
I mean, LeVar, you've been in those defensive meetings? Oh bro,
I mean it's probably a team meeting because it's it's
so egregious that Matty Eberflus wants to bring it to
everyone's attention and kind of point out one of those deals.
(31:49):
I always thought the best head coaches that I was
around would do that with the entirety of the team,
because when you're holding a guy accountable to me, it
helps when the entire team is able to win something
like that and go no, no, this needs to be
addressed in front of the entire team.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Hell yeah, yeahs and a cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio coming up next here from the Tirak
dot Com studios, we are going to tell you now
some real harsh comments for one of the all time
greats in the NFL that will be yours here on FSR.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with
you here. Coming up top of next hour, about ten
minutes from now, we will find out what the plan
is for one team at the NFL with the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
They got two guys.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
One of them's a little banged up, the other one
probably needs to be traded. We'll get to the bottom
of that coming up for you again here a little
over ten minutes from now.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But right now it is time for this.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or Entertainment's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
The guys are here to bring you in case you missed.
After that, we turn it over to our executive producer
Lee lap.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Good more than everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Good morning, Jonas. Good morning, Brady, Good morning LeVar.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Hey guys, In case you missed this, Uh, hey LeVar,
Hey guys.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
In case you missed this.
Speaker 10 (33:17):
Following the Patriots win over the Jets this weekend, Patriots
defense of women, Hey Brady, Patriots defensive lineman, Hey what.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I'm good to be here?
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (33:30):
In case you missed Pat's defensive lineman, Devon Godshaw had
a blunt assessment of Aaron Rodgers following the game, saying,
the Hall of Fame quarterback hate to see him go
out this way. He definitely doesn't look the same. He
kept moving back there, but dang, I could run him
down and catch him. He doesn't look mobile at all.
That's good for us.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Dang, that's what you call shit boom grenade.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Was he talking about Rogers or Greg Zerline? Oh no,
because that's who really is the culprit there with the Jets.
Rogers is innocent on all charges, all right, Damn Greg Zerline,
who's cost him three different games in New York this year.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hey, Rogers forty one, he's gonna be forty one years old.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
That I can run him down?
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Yeah, I mean you'd think that he could at his age,
So it's not a surprise, but I don't know, man,
it feels like it feels like the Jets are in
a really tough spot.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
That's like kick a man while he's down. Action right there, man.
I mean, it was just convenient to do in that moment.
I guess what else we got leave guys.
Speaker 10 (34:41):
In case you missed this, last night, it was revealed
that forty four year old Giselle Bunching is now pregnant
with her jiu jitsu instructor Joaquim Valente's child.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
She accord to TMZ, she did gather Tom Brady and
their children and let them know before the media cut.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Wins see telling me they did it at least once,
is what was what you're saying?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Well, when you know, when you know that jiu jitsu,
you know how to maneuver and how to angle the
right ways, you know what I mean? A lot of grapple.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That dars choke is no joke you put on that
you put on that anaconda grip. If those are real moves,
By the way, I want to be clear on that,
it's wax on.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's a real move. Wat's off hoe.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Hey by the way, good for them though, if they're
in love, and that.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I could cure less moving on. Just think it's funny
to associate jiu jitsu with pregnancy. That's I mean, the
two together just makes for a funny lab would be
a good laugh.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I'm happy for him, like I just you know, I
want I want everybody to to feel real love.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
And you know, Banza, I don't all that's jiu jitsu.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Oh, that's a truth. That's I'm thinking of, mister Millage.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That's a damn
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