November 1, 2024 • 40 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the Jets get a win, but consistency is needed before they’re considered a good team. The Bears continue to have problems in house. The guys preview Week 9 in the NFL with Picks Against the Spread.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Huh So, We're gonna catch up with lead to Lab
at some point to find out what the hell is
Halloween look like? But I know, if you're a New
York Jets fan, there was a tale of two Halloweens.
There was the first half Halloween, and then there was
the second half Halloween. The first half Halloween looked like
a bag of vomit. The second not all that bad,
(00:54):
not all that bad.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
In the second half. I'm still in utter disbelief at
which pots that they won, That Houston gave up eight sacks,
that they won, Yeah, that was barely but nonetheless, I mean,
I guess now Woo he can come from wherever it is.
(01:16):
He's hiding. Yeah, where'd he go, by the way, wherever
it is that he's hiding. Since saying that we're gonna
win right away, we had to do a culture shift.
We had to get it right now. We're going to
win because we got zersees out the way Woody Johnson
pops up to fire coaches and then goes back into hiding.
What's he doing? I don't know. I mean he's finally
(01:39):
got some you know, some validation. I guess. Is that
what we're gonna call it? I mean, like I was,
what is wrong with the Texans? Man? Well, I don't
think they're all that hot. You're right, No, I've been impressive. Listen, November,
if you're going to be that team, which I mean
(01:59):
there's still I still consider them to be a pretty
decent team. But you're now in November. You can't be
losing to teams that you're supposed to be. At this
point in the season. You're supposed to be starting to
trend in whatever direction. The type of team you're in,
you're supposed to be starting to trend in that direction.
(02:22):
So if you're a good team, you should be trending
in that direction. If you're a bad team, you'll probably
continue to trend in that direction. So I don't know,
if you've been a pretty decent team and you're a
bad team, you're going to trend in the direction and
being a bad team. That's just where we're at at
this point in the season. Like it's it's week nine.
(02:42):
Everybody like this is nice. That's a real loss. Like
you can't sit there and be like, oh, the New
York Jets, Oh they stole one, Like, no, Dan, this
is week nine. I mean time flies like we're week nine.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So we're at the halfway point of the season, and
it is kind of shaping up as to you are
what you are. I still just don't have any clue
what the hell the Jets are like, I don't know
what they like. I thought I had an understanding last night.
So first offensive series, Rogers overthrows DeVante.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Adams the booze start. I'm like, oh god.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And I remember, and I'm watching the game last night thinking,
you know, I've heard this before, and I realized, oh,
that's right. This was a Thursday night game against the
Jaguars a couple of years ago, when the Jets were
playing Jacksonville at home at MetLife and it was Zach
Wilson who was getting booed off the field. It was
the same reaction, and this is Aaron Rodgers and then
(03:44):
you're showing fireman ed. I did like Al Michael's taking
a couple of swipes at fireman ed during the course
of the broadcast last night. But like that whole first half,
DeVante Adams had a drop. It was terrible, and then
something happened in the second half, found a rhythm, they
got some people. Garrett Wilson's catch is one of the
great catches you'll ever see. And you look at it
(04:06):
and you go, okay, well, maybe that's the start. Maybe
this is what sparks them and sends them on this run,
and then you realize, well, no, we've probably thought that
the last time they won a game, which was also
a Thursday night, and that was weeks ago. So I
don't know what to do, Like I really why not,
Like I don't know what. I don't know what to
make of the team. I really don't, and it's it's
(04:28):
very bizarre.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's not a very good team. It's not a very
good team. I mean, I was expecting them to get
their their win. They're they're one, you know, shot of
hope in the arm against the Patriots, and they didn't
even do that. I don't think you can come away
(04:50):
from this game and think that this is like what,
I don't know what type of team it is, Sure
you do, it's not a good team. Now, if they
transitioned from not being a good team living up to
the potential that that exists on their roster, then that
that remains to be seen. But that's why it's sports.
That's the beauty of sports is that things can change.
(05:11):
They can decide that they want this thing to change,
and there's the possibilities that they can they can make
that change, and they can try to make those improvements.
I don't see that. I don't see that. And if
that's what it's going to be, if that's what it's
going to turn into, the seeing is believing. But until
(05:36):
we see some consistency out of what they're doing, I
don't think last night gave me any real indication that
this is now the start of the Jets going in
the right direction. I'll say I won't say that it doesn't,
but it certainly is not an emphatic Okay, now here
(05:57):
we go. This is the Jets that we've been waiting
to see. I didn't see that last night, did you.
I mean you want to you want to hear from
Aaron Rodgers, like Aaron Rodgers mister optimistic when it comes
to the Jet side. He spoke post game.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Here, he was kind of season on the line there
in second half. Obviously we wouldn't have been mathematically eliminated,
but mentally to go to two and seven would have
been real, real tough. Hopefully it's got this confidence so
that we can be anybody, because we feel like we could.
The way we played on offense in the second half
is the way we've been kind of waiting for this
offense to wake up. And I know obviously I was,
(06:32):
you know, close to perfection as I needed to be,
but that's the standard I need to play at.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So sad that again he wasn't as close to perfection
as he needed to be. No, No, and he kind
of own that. He was so wow, he was on
he was on Amazon Prime post game, but he you know,
he basically said, like I just missthrows, I wasn't good
like and that's true, and it's you know, look they're
there are three to one, like it's plus three hundred
(06:59):
they make the playoffs courtesy of DraftKings. So the overwhelming
sentiment is that they're not going to make the playoffs,
and if they do make the playoffs, they're going to
be a wild card team. So they're going to be
going on the road, which maybe that's a good thing
because that fan base seems like it's on the brink
of hating everybody in New York based on what the
Yankees did in the World Series. But I just I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I almost would would have been happier had they just
continued to play like garbage in the first half into
the second half and been like, oh, that's it, Okay,
we're good here. Now I have an understanding.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
But isn't that why we love sports?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's just a tease, man, because you look at all, right,
Breest Hall is really really talented, Rogers is talented, Davante
Adams is talented, Garrett Wilson is talented. The defense was
I mean, harassing the hell out of C. J. Stroud
and destroying that offensive line last night, And then you
(07:55):
come away from it, you go, all right, is it
going to be another five week before they win a
game again?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Like I just don't know. But isn't that how bad
teams are? Don't they find? Like I was pretty much
on a bad team almost every single year in the
Pros outside of going to New York My last year,
didn't you puncture Chris Simms's lung? Was that you that
did that for the Bucks in a playoff game? No?
(08:21):
Maybe I don't know, Lee, Can we look that up?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Can you just Google search? Did LeVar Arrington almost kill
Chris Simms?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I don't know. I almost killed Brad Johnson damn destroyed
him in Tampa. Listen. But I guess the point I
was going to make is a bad team still has
the ability to win games. Like my rookie year, we
beat the Ravens and they won the Super Bowl, and
(08:50):
we were a heavily loaded team personnel wise, you know,
a by the looks of it on paper, but we
did not perform that way. So to me, there has
to be a level of consistency before you can start
to have the conversation. One win does not lend to
(09:13):
the conversation of this team turning it around. Now, one
game can lead, like you have to start with one
before you could get to two, three, and four. So
the fact that they have one win in their books,
it's a feel good win because the Texans to me,
whether I mean you don't like them or believe in them,
(09:33):
but their record would say otherwise. The record would say
that they're a pretty good team. I know that they're
on the losing skid now, but their record would still
say that this is a team to be, you know,
be dealt with like that. They're they're going to give
you a game. They're going to be problems. They're a
winning team. But you don't feel that way about the Jets.
(09:54):
And I kind of felt like, honestly going into the
game with the Texans, run over them. You know what
they what they can, you know, continue to put dirt
on what would seemingly be a team that's in, you know,
in the casket and in the ground. But there is
some life, you know. I don't know how much life
there is, but there is some life and what it
(10:20):
is that they have going on. So now they're at
what two wins, three three, three wins? We're trying to
short them a lot. It could be a live did
we get in the confirmation on LaVar's assault of Chris Sims?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
What I did find was that Chris Simms did rupture
his spleen in a game versus Carolina and he thought
he had punctured his lung.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Okay, all right, but you did win a playoff game
at Tampa. We did win a playoff yeh. Didn't you
have an interception of that? You did? And then I
had Marley, who had a hell of a game, shouts
out to Rudy. She had a hell of a game
last night. So for LMU shouts out to the LMU
Lions Hank's house. So they have the Cardinals, next, the Colts,
(11:10):
the Seahawks, the Dolphins, the Jags, the Rams, the Bills,
and the Dolphins again. All right, let's let's let's just
start with the Cardinals, Colts, and Seahawks. They go to Arizona.
Yeah that's a nail. Do you really do you? I mean,
the Arizona Cardinals are not a bad team. They're not
(11:30):
a great team, but they're not a bad team. So
playing at home time change. I mean, yeah, there's the
possibility that they can win the game, but I think
they'll lose. I mean, they go, they go, send them
over to Bourbon and bones, get a nice rabbi before
the game. Everything should be fine, man, one of those
smoky drinks. Okay, so you add that as another one.
(11:53):
So four wins, they have the Colts at home. How
do you feel about that? They can beat Indy? They
can beat Indy, although I feel less confident. Okay, so
what do you think, no offense, Anthony Richardson, They can
beat Indy? All right, So five wins and then Seattle again,
(12:13):
I have no idea they have them at home. Yeah,
it's possible, it's possible. Okay, six wins the next three
games to the Dolphins, and the Dolphins. I don't see it,
not if two is healthy. It's a road game, and
then a road game against jackson I can't see them
beating Jacksonville. So how many wins is that? Seven? Yeah?
(12:34):
Seven wins the Rams at home. They could be the Rams.
Not the way they just played, not the way that
offense just looked. If if PoCA and uh and Cups
stay healthy and Stafford stay healthy, I don't see that
as a win. That's too much offense. I mean, they're
(12:55):
basically the Jets are looking like a nine wins, come
on tops team. I think there. I think their ceiling
is what I said it was. They won't break ten
wins that they can get to nine. I can see
them getting to nine. One of those games we gave
(13:16):
them as a dub, they're not going to win one
of them. One of those games we gave them as
a dub, they're not going to win. Not as we
get later into the season. By the way, how about
your guy, Malachi Corley, I'll just deciding, uh, you know,
I'm just gonna leave this ball here before I get
into the end zone. I'll just go ahead and set
this right here, set it right down. It's like it
(13:39):
wasn't even close. Uh. Jeff Ulbrich, the coach of the Jets,
spoke about that move last night.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Definitely frustrated, you know, to be honest and uh and
angry at the same time. But uh, what an amazing
opportunity for this kid to grow and learn from. You know,
I promise you ten years from now, when he's still
playing in this leep, that will never happen again.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
What did you say to him afterday?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
First of all, you can't do that, and second of all, yo,
whist one.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah there you go. Yeah. So it's uh, listen, it
is a he's a guy. You know, they're they're lucky
to have a guy being at the helm. He's a guy,
he's one of us. You know, he played the game.
He's a linebacker. So when I say he's one of us,
he's literally one of us. So he's tough, heart knows guy.
(14:29):
He's like a Campbell type of guy. He went to
he went to linebacker you Hawaii, of course, I mean, yeah,
I'm heading to LBU today.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Hell yeah, uh two pros and a cup of Joe.
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox of
the ear. Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention
this important show note here as we get you set
for this extravaganza.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Here, what is it? It's a football damn Come on
football Friday. Come on. Yeah, we got Rogers. Yeah, runs
gotta win, right, Yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
Winy Jets, Jets, Jets.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You gotta win. You gotta wins. You gotta win, you
gotta win. What's jone this think y'all going to the
super Bowl? Now, let's just going to the super Bowl.
Now here we go, here we go. All right, all right,
let's do it for Eddie, do it? There we go.
Friday night is a football Friday down? Come on, rock them,
(15:44):
suck them, do it? What are you doing? Rock it?
Frida Friday? You do? Can't? I it is Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio, Levarrington, Man,
I gotta read for you in a couple of minutes.
Yeah right.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
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Speaker 2 (16:14):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you again. No,
Brady Quinn tested positive for PEDS during a trigger treating
route last night, and uh, you.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Know, listen all kinds of people getting pulled over on
my way in let me drive right hey, by the
way for the guy who was riding a motorcycle or
four tank man tang too soon, man soon. So I
don't I don't know what the outcome was, Yeah you do,
(16:48):
I mean you can guess, but yeah, not been there.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Not great for Uh, Let's put it this way, A
lot of people probably should have been driving last night
based on what we saw driving into work today.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
You know a lot of wild s when you drive
in at off hours. Man, tell you that I saw.
I saw the one guy I was pulled over. I
was moving slow enough, and the officers vehicle had the
light shined on it so bright that you could see
it like it was like broad daylight. Dude was an
(17:25):
interesting looking character. Man like shots out to our first responders. Man,
because let me tell you something, there'd be a lot
of complaints about how things are done and how they're
handled at times. But I got to tell you, if
you're on the other side of it, and you're a
family member of a first responder and they're doing their jobs, bruh,
that's gotta be a very, very very scary deal to
(17:52):
have to just do routine stops. Oh god, routine like
deals in that profession. I saw the way that do look. Man,
let me tell you something, I couldn't be in law enforcement.
I couldn't do it because the way I do. Look.
The moment I saw him, I'm going, oh, okay, adds
on the wheel, my guy, Yeah, adds on the wheel.
(18:13):
I have a couple buddies who are cops, a couple
that are firemen, and some of the stuff they see
on a daily basis. That's just routine, is.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Wild, yeah, man, And like you'll hear these stories and
it's like, oh, like they'll be asking like, hey, so
so what's it like?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You know what? It's like, Oh, you know, we just
you know, we do radio like this and that, like
what what how are things going with you guys? Oh?
Saw this, this and this and you're thinking, Jesus. I
always thank our first responders, man, every time I see them,
you know, I shake, Like when I go to the
penn State Games, I shake, I shake their hands, man,
like just thanking for their service. You know. I'm big
(18:51):
on raising money for them, raising money for our volunteers absolutely.
Did you know that all pretty much every our department
in Pennsylvania, for I believe the most part, they're all volunteers. Yeah,
they're volunteering to save your life if something pops off,
(19:13):
like if you need to be saved or you know,
you need to hit nine one one emergency vehicle shows up,
those are volunteers that are the firemen. So anyways, that's
just that's what I thought of this morning because I
saw a lot of emergency vehicles this morning driving into work.
Just get an uber or get a lift. Dummies, all right,
it's not it's not worth it. You know, pay a
(19:33):
little cash, you get them. What is it twenty bucks
for a ride? That's better. Depends on where you're coming from. Okay,
it depends on where you're coming from. They'll get you.
They'll get you if you coming like say, you did
something downtown or did something in like you know, Santa
Monica or did something and like you know, I don't know,
like one of the beach cities and you're going back
(19:56):
out to the inland as pricey price you know what
a dui is, that's pricey. Yeah, you know what. You know,
render death, you know what to have motorcycle and you
know what the cost of that one is? Good god man, Yeah,
it's uh, it's I'm with you there, I'm with you.
Figure it out. Everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
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(20:40):
All right, So, speaking of messes, Oh no, look, I
told you guys, your.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
People from Momuth. Let me tell you annoy home a wide.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I told you guys that if the Bears could have
played a game and gone to Arizona and played the
Cardinals on Monday or Tuesday, they would have because they
need to rid themselves of whatever the hell that vomiting,
defecating clown show was at the end of that game
against the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
They need to.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Rid themselves of that, get that stench off them, and
go play another game and try and win another game,
just to get as far away from that experience.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It went from such a feel good situation to the
triumphant return of Caleb Williams back to the district where
he's from. And by the way, kid Waives in that
fourth quarter game winning drive to take the league.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Like they struggled all game, and then the fourth quarter
came around and he was dealing like he had no
time virtually, like he missed some throws obviously, but they
couldn't keep him up right. He was scrambling for his
life and then the fourth quarter came around and it
was like, Okay, now it's about talent and willing my
team to win. And that guy was making play after
play after play had him inline to win a game that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Had the game one. Yeah, like the game was won.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And so now, oh, tail of two teams, Washington's like,
all right, we're good to go. We're sitting at what
six and two? The Bears are sitting at four and three.
They could have both been sitting at five and two
or whatever it was five and three, and so you
look at the situation, or the Bears would have gone
to five and two.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Now they're sitting at.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Four and three, and so you look at the situation,
you go, all right, So what exactly happened not just
on that play but throughout the course of the game,
And one of the moments that people are still scratching
their heads at is the Bears had a third and
goal and down twelve decent and went full back dive
(22:40):
to a guy by the name of Doug Kramer, who's
an offensive lineman who had never rushed the football in
his entire career, and of course there was a fumble
and Washington recovered the Oh my God.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Your boy ain't here to get you here to get
you down, but up top on up top on that one.
And so they did, you know the fridge he successfully
was of course, I mean yeah, but he hated the fridge,
and so you're trying to recreate it. Though in that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Spot, you're thinking, like why the play call and they've
been you know, the offensive coordinator Shane Waldron defended the
play go, well, it just didn't work out clearly, and
then Matt Eberflus, kind of the head coach, defended the
play call well.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
DJ Moore was openly.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Critical of the play call, and apparently Matt Eberflus and
him had a conversation about it, and DJ Moore got,
you know, listen, we're all clear here. I get what
you're putting down. I don't feel any regret about it.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
We all talked about it, and uh, me and Flus
talked about it with the captains and just guys, stay
in the house next time. I'm not gonna say sorry
for what I said, but at the same time, it is,
uh it should have just stayed in the house.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
But I said what I said, that's a oh there
you go.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, you know what that is? Though, that's a it
was a terrible idea and I'm sorry. We can have
this conversation with the coach all we want, but that's
a terrible idea. And then you get these other reports
that come out that at the start of the year,
they you know, like you were an offensive coordinator before,
like you guys had like scripted plays to start off with, right,
(24:15):
Like that's everybody does that go off the script?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah? You know who didn't?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Embarrassing They're like, well, we had like plays that we're
kind of gott to go to, but you know, not
exactly a script. And then finally DJ Moore and some
others got with the coaching staff and we're like, hey,
can script Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Can we like know what we're doing. It's just like,
but you've got now.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So now, this is multiple times through the first two
months of the season that they're openly questioning the coaching
staff play calling decisions, strategies, Like Caleb Williams like lost
in the shuffle of that Hail Mary was he like
you can see Calebilliams pulling Matt Eberflus off the field
(25:03):
because Matt Eberflus had walked onto the field and they
asked Caleb Williams about him. They're like, yo, so what
was going on there? He's like, well, I didn't want
to get penalized and give them more free yardage because
we already did that to play before when we didn't
do anything about that little quick out that Terry McLaurin ran,
And so like, this is over and over and over again.
(25:25):
Well far two months in. If this is happening this much,
what are we talking about here? Like, there's no way
that there's that there's confidence in the coaching staff, if
the players feel like they've got enough power and enough
say so to be like no, no, no, no. If
this is what's coming to the surface, I can't imagine
what it's like behind the scenes there.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, what's interesting is is that we live in a
day and age where the athlete is unafraid. You know,
these used to be taboo like no nos. If you
ever heard anything come from a player about the team,
about the coach, anything internal, chances were they would get cut.
(26:09):
And if it was a big name guy, it would
create a whole lot of static within the team, within
the team ranks. And maybe that's still how it is.
I don't know it just seems as though that there
is more of a freeness. And I think it's because
of technology. I think it's because of social media. I
(26:30):
think it's because of where the priorities of how we
communicate and the new ways of how we connect and
communicate to our fan bases. I think that plays a
large part of it. Traditional media is not traditional media
so much anymore. It's not the main sources of the
way you kind of consume your information, and so athletes
(26:55):
have become more maybe it's entitled with how they approach
things and how they say things and how they do things.
And I don't know that you can create an environment
where the repercussions of it are are are strong enough
because most of the people that are doing this are
(27:17):
big name players. So you can't. You can't, Well, how
are you gonna really adjust and adapt how this the
player is evolving with how they communicate with what's going on.
It's it's just very difficult. Like you go from a
day and age where if you said something, it now
goes to the local media, right generally it didn't go
(27:40):
to the national media until it was you got an
os like, oh did that really happen? Did he really
say that from the local media, right, And then now
it comes out the way that it's it's presented by
local media, whether it's a writer for the for the
local paper or whether it is a reporter for the
local you know, television reports. That's like you're at the
(28:04):
mercy of what those reporters report, and that's how you're
going to be portrayed. So if he said something like that,
that's going to be brought up to the coach before
it even generally hits the public for consumption. There's going
to be a conversation. Da da da. They're still going
(28:25):
to release it, but they're going to release it with
the spin of what they're they're going to release the
story on on how they're reporting it. Now it's just
raw and uncut, Like I'll go to my social media,
I'll talk about it on my live I'll know filter.
There's no filter, bro. And it's totally changed the way
that the fan is able to consume the information. It's
(28:49):
totally changed how the athlete does it. So I'm not
really sure how that works. Like openly criticizing your coaches,
openly criticizing your team, Oh, Aaron Rodgers does it every week.
He does it every week. I mean, whether he's criticizing himself,
include it. He does it every single week. Like, here's
(29:10):
what I'm curious about is if you've got players who
are captains, leaders that are publicly giving the side eye
to the coaching staff that coach is done, and then
being told by the coach, hey, we need to keep
that in house, and then doubling down, I said, like,
(29:33):
what the hell is the conversation like behind those coach bruh,
that coach is on He's on the clock. That's what
I'm saying. You lose when you lose a locker room,
you're on the clock, Because how do you coach if
you don't have any more control over your locker room
than that where players fill the freedom and they feel
(29:54):
the comfort and the ease of being able to say
what they feel as it applies to something that could
be derogatory towards your team, towards your you as a coach,
you don't And that's a leader saying it. You don't
have the locker room anymore, That's what I'm saying. It's
you're not in a good position.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And if you ever like followed DJ Moore's career. He's
not one of these guys that normally like complains about
anything or let go.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's probably doesn't it probably doesn't need to be viewed
as a malicious way of how he approached it. He
just said what he felt. He just said what he felt.
I mean, we saw that take place with Seattle when
they didn't give Marshaan Lynch the ball, right, I mean,
and they tried to throw it and end up losing
the Super Bowl. You'll see guys have criticisms. Sometimes it's malicious,
(30:42):
sometimes it's not. In this case, I don't you know,
I don't know. I don't know how he feels about
you know, his coach, his coaching staff, his offensive coordinator.
As a head coach. I don't know how how Moore
feels about him. But I do know when you lose
a game like that, you're gonna feel the pressure. Because
(31:02):
it's a large market team, You're gonna feel the pressure
of everything that took place, and you're also gonna have
to navigate the feelings of what that looks like going
into the next game and for and I mean, having
a bye week doesn't help, as you mentioned, But with
that being said, either you're pulling together to try to
go in the right direction to win games, or you're
pulling further apart, and it's like more self preservation. You
(31:27):
never want as a coach, you never want a team
to go into self preservation mode because now it's like
if you think about I said this earlier, like you
got to get all these guys going in the right direction.
It's like a school of fish. Right if you're running
a good a good program and you're going in the
right direction, you have all the fish in the school
(31:48):
going in the same direction. They're going same place, same place,
same place. Like you see orca wells going into their
pods going in the same direction. You see dolphins going
in the same direction. But if they start going in
all kinds of different directions and there's no type of
order or anything like that, it's just all out of
whack and you don't get the same results. And that's
(32:12):
that to me, it's it's like the beginning of the end.
If your school of fish ain't going in the same
direction they start, don't going to every which direction, it's
the beginning of the end of your tenure. As the
head coach.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Did, it was like, man, like they're cruising, like like
they're in a plane and they're just cruising and everything's fine.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And then all of a suddenerbulence just hit them. A
flock of birds just flew into one of the engines,
like oh boy, we're going down.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh boy, And you realize solely's not flying the play
and you're like, yeah, we don't know how this is
going to turn out.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
We've lost eine one, We've lost engine one. Yeah. That
like that play, that one play in that game could
be the tipping point for for the end of the
road there. It could have been a heartbreaking play, you know,
but it was so many like the like you said,
the offensive lineman fumbling bad, the dude sitting there heckling
(33:05):
the fans and Keith King while the play goes, and
then he's the one that tips the ball into the
receiver's hand to win the game. Bad. It's just the manner,
the style points of which they went out and lost
that game is what makes it so easy to jump
on and make it bad. So they got to win, man,
(33:25):
because if they lose, You're right, you know, those voices
beginning to get a little louder. Yeah, not great.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Five lines, not those kind of lines. Five picks, five spreads.
(33:51):
Time for picks against the spread?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
All right, So who wants to get this work? Lee?
How do we stand what happened last week?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Well, last week, Jonas, you did start off pretty strong
by being the only one who took the Browns to
upset the Ravens. Yeah, of course they beat the Ravens
twenty nine to twenty four, So you alone were on
that hill.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
LeVar, you were the only one who took.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
The Eagles surprisingly to beat the Bagels in Cincinnati. Why
and then you doubled down on that you didn't need
the points. You took Cardinals money line versus Miami. They
won by one point. There, everybody took the Chargers to
beat the Saints.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yep, that worked.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
They won that decisively. And then it came down to
Sunday Night football. Brady actually was the only one who
took the Niners to beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
You guys all want to end and upset there? What
it ended up shaking out to be. I took I
had the most.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
LeVar three and two, Brady and Jonas two and.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Three last week. Sorry, I'm in one game, but I mean,
what are the overall stands?
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well, the overall standings are close, but Jonas.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
You are on top?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Twenty was Jonas on top?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
He's twenty three fifteen and two, and I'm what, twenty
three seventeen.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm twenty three seventeen and he's twenty three fifteen And
those two pushes, Yep. He doesn't have more wins than me.
He doesn't have more picks than me, but he has
less losses. So what so that he's got pushes? Yeah, yep,
that makes his record better? Yep? How because he has
(35:19):
less losses pushed, but he doesn't have more wins. But
you don't have more wins? Right, So how's how's he
in the league because he has less losses, but he
doesn't have more wins? I have a record? Maybe what push?
All right, come on, let's go. It doesn't matter because
i'll i'll, I'll take it this week. And less league
(35:40):
manufactures that you know, and less say manufactures some more.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And now have you sent over the games that you're picking?
Because these are picked at random by Lead. He picks
the five games in the NFL each weeks. Have you
sent these over to Brady yet? Or is he gonna
wait until after the games are over?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
And be like, well, I'm f five at all.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
He might have an advantage because I will send him
your picks, but if he doesn't send them to me
before Sunday morning, no, go for Brady.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Okay, but it doesn't matter because he's so far behind
it's ridiculous. Yeah, but we don't hear about that.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
All we hear about is Knox locks and the struggle
of Knox locks and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Meanwhile, Brady's defecated down his leg when it comes to
these pictures. Year long.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Yeah, Quinn wins to talk about that. Quinns wins ain't
doing great either.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
But did he go into and Quinn's wins last night?
Well he should have, all right, So what do we
got this? All?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
This week?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
We got Cowboys at Falcons. Falcons are a three point
favorite at home. I'll take Dallas get into three points.
I'm gonna take Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Why do I always take Dallas? I'm so sick of
this craft? Like the Cowboys are like the X that
you know is crazy, but it's really a lot of fun.
But with her and go trick or treating with her
and stuff like that. I've taken Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Cousins versus Zimmer Alright, Uh, we've talked about it. Raiders
at Bengals. Joe Broke calls it to must win. They
are a touchdown favorite at home.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Touchdown favorite at Yeah, I'm gonna take the Bengals, all right.
What the hell was that against Philly last week?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Like the first half like that was a really close
game and the second half they just came out and melted.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I mean, the Raiders need a quarterback, so I'm gonna
take them. Take them. If you listen to Antonio Pierce,
they need an offensive coordinator too. Well, they need a
lot of things there. Oh, what else we got game?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
We're all looking forward to. Saints at Panthers. Derek car
versus Bryce Young Saints touchdown favorites on the road.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Is there a who cares lying on this? Saints are
a touchdown favorite on the road. I'll take CAROLINEA.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Come on, Bryce Young, You're getting seven points at home
against the bad Saints team that's lost six in a row.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Let's go. Now, I'm gonna take the Saints. Buddy's back
this week, right, Derek Carr's back. Yeah, I'm gonna take
I'm gonna take the Saints, all right. That'll for the NFC.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
North Lions are two and a half point favorites at Lambeau.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Lions. Yeah, I'm gonna take the Lions in this one. Oh.
I get a weird feeling about this game. I don't
know why. That's offence. You wrote defense, and now you
know and now you sound like Oh. Jonas was so right.
He he thought that there was a weird feeling.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I'm gonna I'm gonna roll with Detroit. I just get
a weird feeling about the game. I don't know, there's
just something something feels a little off about it. It's
almost like Detroit to do for a letdown.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
I don't go on with Detroit.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Sunday Night Football, Joe Flacco heads to Minnesota Colts at Vikings.
Vikings five point favorites at.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Take the Vikings, oh Man five points.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I will take Minnesota as well, too, but I feel
a lot more common you go right, you go right
defences Again, I don't want to just make a if
you just make a pick, it's boring.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Radio.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I want to give like an analysis of this game,
and I'm just telling you right now, i'd feel a
lot better about the pick.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Want to some analysis, Well, give analysis. Why you're picking Minnesota,
I feel would feel a lot better. No, I'm picking
Minnesota because they're the better team and you're playing at home.
There's your acknowledge. Nice.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I feel a lot better about Minnesota in this game
if it was Anthony Richardson playing.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
It's Joe Flacco. But guess what, I'll still come back
around to Minnesota. Put a seat on your bike, bro,
Come on, damn wow, what's that supposed to be? Why
you're rat in the fence?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Bro? Like, put a seat on it, sit on, sit on?
What you got going on? We're comfortable this way too,
all right? So we got Lee that is your pix
against the spread man. So there we go. Roll with you, man,
yeah issues, bro, row with you,
It is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Huh So, We're gonna catch up with lead to Lab
at some point to find out what the hell is
Halloween look like? But I know, if you're a New
York Jets fan, there was a tale of two Halloweens.
There was the first half Halloween, and then there was
the second half Halloween. The first half Halloween looked like
a bag of vomit. The second not all that bad,
(00:54):
not all that bad.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
In the second half. I'm still in utter disbelief at
which pots that they won, That Houston gave up eight sacks,
that they won, Yeah, that was barely but nonetheless, I mean,
I guess now Woo he can come from wherever it is.
(01:16):
He's hiding. Yeah, where'd he go, by the way, wherever
it is that he's hiding. Since saying that we're gonna
win right away, we had to do a culture shift.
We had to get it right now. We're going to
win because we got zersees out the way Woody Johnson
pops up to fire coaches and then goes back into hiding.
What's he doing? I don't know. I mean he's finally
(01:39):
got some you know, some validation. I guess. Is that
what we're gonna call it? I mean, like I was,
what is wrong with the Texans? Man? Well, I don't
think they're all that hot. You're right, No, I've been impressive. Listen, November,
if you're going to be that team, which I mean
(01:59):
there's still I still consider them to be a pretty
decent team. But you're now in November. You can't be
losing to teams that you're supposed to be. At this
point in the season. You're supposed to be starting to
trend in whatever direction. The type of team you're in,
you're supposed to be starting to trend in that direction.
(02:22):
So if you're a good team, you should be trending
in that direction. If you're a bad team, you'll probably
continue to trend in that direction. So I don't know,
if you've been a pretty decent team and you're a
bad team, you're going to trend in the direction and
being a bad team. That's just where we're at at
this point in the season. Like it's it's week nine.
(02:42):
Everybody like this is nice. That's a real loss. Like
you can't sit there and be like, oh, the New
York Jets, Oh they stole one, Like, no, Dan, this
is week nine. I mean time flies like we're week nine.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So we're at the halfway point of the season, and
it is kind of shaping up as to you are
what you are. I still just don't have any clue
what the hell the Jets are like, I don't know
what they like. I thought I had an understanding last night.
So first offensive series, Rogers overthrows DeVante.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Adams the booze start. I'm like, oh god.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And I remember, and I'm watching the game last night thinking,
you know, I've heard this before, and I realized, oh,
that's right. This was a Thursday night game against the
Jaguars a couple of years ago, when the Jets were
playing Jacksonville at home at MetLife and it was Zach
Wilson who was getting booed off the field. It was
the same reaction, and this is Aaron Rodgers and then
(03:44):
you're showing fireman ed. I did like Al Michael's taking
a couple of swipes at fireman ed during the course
of the broadcast last night. But like that whole first half,
DeVante Adams had a drop. It was terrible, and then
something happened in the second half, found a rhythm, they
got some people. Garrett Wilson's catch is one of the
great catches you'll ever see. And you look at it
(04:06):
and you go, okay, well, maybe that's the start. Maybe
this is what sparks them and sends them on this run,
and then you realize, well, no, we've probably thought that
the last time they won a game, which was also
a Thursday night, and that was weeks ago. So I
don't know what to do, Like I really why not,
Like I don't know what. I don't know what to
make of the team. I really don't, and it's it's
(04:28):
very bizarre.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's not a very good team. It's not a very
good team. I mean, I was expecting them to get
their their win. They're they're one, you know, shot of
hope in the arm against the Patriots, and they didn't
even do that. I don't think you can come away
(04:50):
from this game and think that this is like what,
I don't know what type of team it is, Sure
you do, it's not a good team. Now, if they
transitioned from not being a good team living up to
the potential that that exists on their roster, then that
that remains to be seen. But that's why it's sports.
That's the beauty of sports is that things can change.
(05:11):
They can decide that they want this thing to change,
and there's the possibilities that they can they can make
that change, and they can try to make those improvements.
I don't see that. I don't see that. And if
that's what it's going to be, if that's what it's
going to turn into, the seeing is believing. But until
(05:36):
we see some consistency out of what they're doing, I
don't think last night gave me any real indication that
this is now the start of the Jets going in
the right direction. I'll say I won't say that it doesn't,
but it certainly is not an emphatic Okay, now here
(05:57):
we go. This is the Jets that we've been waiting
to see. I didn't see that last night, did you.
I mean you want to you want to hear from
Aaron Rodgers, like Aaron Rodgers mister optimistic when it comes
to the Jet side. He spoke post game.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Here, he was kind of season on the line there
in second half. Obviously we wouldn't have been mathematically eliminated,
but mentally to go to two and seven would have
been real, real tough. Hopefully it's got this confidence so
that we can be anybody, because we feel like we could.
The way we played on offense in the second half
is the way we've been kind of waiting for this
offense to wake up. And I know obviously I was,
(06:32):
you know, close to perfection as I needed to be,
but that's the standard I need to play at.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So sad that again he wasn't as close to perfection
as he needed to be. No, No, and he kind
of own that. He was so wow, he was on
he was on Amazon Prime post game, but he you know,
he basically said, like I just missthrows, I wasn't good
like and that's true, and it's you know, look they're
there are three to one, like it's plus three hundred
(06:59):
they make the playoffs courtesy of DraftKings. So the overwhelming
sentiment is that they're not going to make the playoffs,
and if they do make the playoffs, they're going to
be a wild card team. So they're going to be
going on the road, which maybe that's a good thing
because that fan base seems like it's on the brink
of hating everybody in New York based on what the
Yankees did in the World Series. But I just I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I almost would would have been happier had they just
continued to play like garbage in the first half into
the second half and been like, oh, that's it, Okay,
we're good here. Now I have an understanding.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
But isn't that why we love sports?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's just a tease, man, because you look at all, right,
Breest Hall is really really talented, Rogers is talented, Davante
Adams is talented, Garrett Wilson is talented. The defense was
I mean, harassing the hell out of C. J. Stroud
and destroying that offensive line last night, And then you
(07:55):
come away from it, you go, all right, is it
going to be another five week before they win a
game again?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Like I just don't know. But isn't that how bad
teams are? Don't they find? Like I was pretty much
on a bad team almost every single year in the
Pros outside of going to New York My last year,
didn't you puncture Chris Simms's lung? Was that you that
did that for the Bucks in a playoff game? No?
(08:21):
Maybe I don't know, Lee, Can we look that up?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Can you just Google search? Did LeVar Arrington almost kill
Chris Simms?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I don't know. I almost killed Brad Johnson damn destroyed
him in Tampa. Listen. But I guess the point I
was going to make is a bad team still has
the ability to win games. Like my rookie year, we
beat the Ravens and they won the Super Bowl, and
(08:50):
we were a heavily loaded team personnel wise, you know,
a by the looks of it on paper, but we
did not perform that way. So to me, there has
to be a level of consistency before you can start
to have the conversation. One win does not lend to
(09:13):
the conversation of this team turning it around. Now, one
game can lead, like you have to start with one
before you could get to two, three, and four. So
the fact that they have one win in their books,
it's a feel good win because the Texans to me,
whether I mean you don't like them or believe in them,
(09:33):
but their record would say otherwise. The record would say
that they're a pretty good team. I know that they're
on the losing skid now, but their record would still
say that this is a team to be, you know,
be dealt with like that. They're they're going to give
you a game. They're going to be problems. They're a
winning team. But you don't feel that way about the Jets.
(09:54):
And I kind of felt like, honestly going into the
game with the Texans, run over them. You know what
they what they can, you know, continue to put dirt
on what would seemingly be a team that's in, you know,
in the casket and in the ground. But there is
some life, you know. I don't know how much life
there is, but there is some life and what it
(10:20):
is that they have going on. So now they're at
what two wins, three three, three wins? We're trying to
short them a lot. It could be a live did
we get in the confirmation on LaVar's assault of Chris Sims?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
What I did find was that Chris Simms did rupture
his spleen in a game versus Carolina and he thought
he had punctured his lung.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Okay, all right, but you did win a playoff game
at Tampa. We did win a playoff yeh. Didn't you
have an interception of that? You did? And then I
had Marley, who had a hell of a game, shouts
out to Rudy. She had a hell of a game
last night. So for LMU shouts out to the LMU
Lions Hank's house. So they have the Cardinals, next, the Colts,
(11:10):
the Seahawks, the Dolphins, the Jags, the Rams, the Bills,
and the Dolphins again. All right, let's let's let's just
start with the Cardinals, Colts, and Seahawks. They go to Arizona.
Yeah that's a nail. Do you really do you? I mean,
the Arizona Cardinals are not a bad team. They're not
(11:30):
a great team, but they're not a bad team. So
playing at home time change. I mean, yeah, there's the
possibility that they can win the game, but I think
they'll lose. I mean, they go, they go, send them
over to Bourbon and bones, get a nice rabbi before
the game. Everything should be fine, man, one of those
smoky drinks. Okay, so you add that as another one.
(11:53):
So four wins, they have the Colts at home. How
do you feel about that? They can beat Indy? They
can beat Indy, although I feel less confident. Okay, so
what do you think, no offense, Anthony Richardson, They can
beat Indy? All right, So five wins and then Seattle again,
(12:13):
I have no idea they have them at home. Yeah,
it's possible, it's possible. Okay, six wins the next three
games to the Dolphins, and the Dolphins. I don't see it,
not if two is healthy. It's a road game, and
then a road game against jackson I can't see them
beating Jacksonville. So how many wins is that? Seven? Yeah?
(12:34):
Seven wins the Rams at home. They could be the Rams.
Not the way they just played, not the way that
offense just looked. If if PoCA and uh and Cups
stay healthy and Stafford stay healthy, I don't see that
as a win. That's too much offense. I mean, they're
(12:55):
basically the Jets are looking like a nine wins, come
on tops team. I think there. I think their ceiling
is what I said it was. They won't break ten
wins that they can get to nine. I can see
them getting to nine. One of those games we gave
(13:16):
them as a dub, they're not going to win one
of them. One of those games we gave them as
a dub, they're not going to win. Not as we
get later into the season. By the way, how about
your guy, Malachi Corley, I'll just deciding, uh, you know,
I'm just gonna leave this ball here before I get
into the end zone. I'll just go ahead and set
this right here, set it right down. It's like it
(13:39):
wasn't even close. Uh. Jeff Ulbrich, the coach of the Jets,
spoke about that move last night.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Definitely frustrated, you know, to be honest and uh and
angry at the same time. But uh, what an amazing
opportunity for this kid to grow and learn from. You know,
I promise you ten years from now, when he's still
playing in this leep, that will never happen again.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
What did you say to him afterday?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
First of all, you can't do that, and second of all, yo,
whist one.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah there you go. Yeah. So it's uh, listen, it
is a he's a guy. You know, they're they're lucky
to have a guy being at the helm. He's a guy,
he's one of us. You know, he played the game.
He's a linebacker. So when I say he's one of us,
he's literally one of us. So he's tough, heart knows guy.
(14:29):
He's like a Campbell type of guy. He went to
he went to linebacker you Hawaii, of course, I mean, yeah,
I'm heading to LBU today.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Hell yeah, uh two pros and a cup of Joe.
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox of
the ear. Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention
this important show note here as we get you set
for this extravaganza.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Here, what is it? It's a football damn Come on
football Friday. Come on. Yeah, we got Rogers. Yeah, runs
gotta win, right, Yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
Winy Jets, Jets, Jets.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You gotta win. You gotta wins. You gotta win, you
gotta win. What's jone this think y'all going to the
super Bowl? Now, let's just going to the super Bowl.
Now here we go, here we go. All right, all right,
let's do it for Eddie, do it? There we go.
Friday night is a football Friday down? Come on, rock them,
(15:44):
suck them, do it? What are you doing? Rock it?
Frida Friday? You do? Can't? I it is Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio, Levarrington, Man,
I gotta read for you in a couple of minutes.
Yeah right.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (16:14):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you again. No,
Brady Quinn tested positive for PEDS during a trigger treating
route last night, and uh, you.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Know, listen all kinds of people getting pulled over on
my way in let me drive right hey, by the
way for the guy who was riding a motorcycle or
four tank man tang too soon, man soon. So I
don't I don't know what the outcome was, Yeah you do,
(16:48):
I mean you can guess, but yeah, not been there.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Not great for Uh, Let's put it this way, A
lot of people probably should have been driving last night
based on what we saw driving into work today.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
You know a lot of wild s when you drive
in at off hours. Man, tell you that I saw.
I saw the one guy I was pulled over. I
was moving slow enough, and the officers vehicle had the
light shined on it so bright that you could see
it like it was like broad daylight. Dude was an
(17:25):
interesting looking character. Man like shots out to our first responders. Man,
because let me tell you something, there'd be a lot
of complaints about how things are done and how they're
handled at times. But I got to tell you, if
you're on the other side of it, and you're a
family member of a first responder and they're doing their jobs, bruh,
that's gotta be a very, very very scary deal to
(17:52):
have to just do routine stops. Oh god, routine like
deals in that profession. I saw the way that do look. Man,
let me tell you something, I couldn't be in law enforcement.
I couldn't do it because the way I do. Look.
The moment I saw him, I'm going, oh, okay, adds
on the wheel, my guy, Yeah, adds on the wheel.
(18:13):
I have a couple buddies who are cops, a couple
that are firemen, and some of the stuff they see
on a daily basis. That's just routine, is.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Wild, yeah, man, And like you'll hear these stories and
it's like, oh, like they'll be asking like, hey, so
so what's it like?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You know what? It's like, Oh, you know, we just
you know, we do radio like this and that, like
what what how are things going with you guys? Oh?
Saw this, this and this and you're thinking, Jesus. I
always thank our first responders, man, every time I see them,
you know, I shake, Like when I go to the
penn State Games, I shake, I shake their hands, man,
like just thanking for their service. You know. I'm big
(18:51):
on raising money for them, raising money for our volunteers absolutely.
Did you know that all pretty much every our department
in Pennsylvania, for I believe the most part, they're all volunteers. Yeah,
they're volunteering to save your life if something pops off,
(19:13):
like if you need to be saved or you know,
you need to hit nine one one emergency vehicle shows up,
those are volunteers that are the firemen. So anyways, that's
just that's what I thought of this morning because I
saw a lot of emergency vehicles this morning driving into work.
Just get an uber or get a lift. Dummies, all right,
it's not it's not worth it. You know, pay a
(19:33):
little cash, you get them. What is it twenty bucks
for a ride? That's better. Depends on where you're coming from. Okay,
it depends on where you're coming from. They'll get you.
They'll get you if you coming like say, you did
something downtown or did something in like you know, Santa
Monica or did something and like you know, I don't know,
like one of the beach cities and you're going back
(19:56):
out to the inland as pricey price you know what
a dui is, that's pricey. Yeah, you know what. You know,
render death, you know what to have motorcycle and you
know what the cost of that one is? Good god man, Yeah,
it's uh, it's I'm with you there, I'm with you.
Figure it out. Everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
By the way, and let me tell you something. Probably
a lot of first responders who are driving to kind
of make us safe and make everything else kind of
go in this country. You know what, they're probably on
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(20:40):
All right, So, speaking of messes, Oh no, look, I
told you guys, your.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
People from Momuth. Let me tell you annoy home a wide.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I told you guys that if the Bears could have
played a game and gone to Arizona and played the
Cardinals on Monday or Tuesday, they would have because they
need to rid themselves of whatever the hell that vomiting,
defecating clown show was at the end of that game
against the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
They need to.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Rid themselves of that, get that stench off them, and
go play another game and try and win another game,
just to get as far away from that experience.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It went from such a feel good situation to the
triumphant return of Caleb Williams back to the district where
he's from. And by the way, kid Waives in that
fourth quarter game winning drive to take the league.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Like they struggled all game, and then the fourth quarter
came around and he was dealing like he had no
time virtually, like he missed some throws obviously, but they
couldn't keep him up right. He was scrambling for his
life and then the fourth quarter came around and it
was like, Okay, now it's about talent and willing my
team to win. And that guy was making play after
play after play had him inline to win a game that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Had the game one. Yeah, like the game was won.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And so now, oh, tail of two teams, Washington's like,
all right, we're good to go. We're sitting at what
six and two? The Bears are sitting at four and three.
They could have both been sitting at five and two
or whatever it was five and three, and so you
look at the situation, or the Bears would have gone
to five and two.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Now they're sitting at.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Four and three, and so you look at the situation,
you go, all right, So what exactly happened not just
on that play but throughout the course of the game,
And one of the moments that people are still scratching
their heads at is the Bears had a third and
goal and down twelve decent and went full back dive
(22:40):
to a guy by the name of Doug Kramer, who's
an offensive lineman who had never rushed the football in
his entire career, and of course there was a fumble
and Washington recovered the Oh my God.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Your boy ain't here to get you here to get
you down, but up top on up top on that one.
And so they did, you know the fridge he successfully
was of course, I mean yeah, but he hated the fridge,
and so you're trying to recreate it. Though in that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Spot, you're thinking, like why the play call and they've
been you know, the offensive coordinator Shane Waldron defended the
play go, well, it just didn't work out clearly, and
then Matt Eberflus, kind of the head coach, defended the
play call well.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
DJ Moore was openly.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Critical of the play call, and apparently Matt Eberflus and
him had a conversation about it, and DJ Moore got,
you know, listen, we're all clear here. I get what
you're putting down. I don't feel any regret about it.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
We all talked about it, and uh, me and Flus
talked about it with the captains and just guys, stay
in the house next time. I'm not gonna say sorry
for what I said, but at the same time, it is,
uh it should have just stayed in the house.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
But I said what I said, that's a oh there
you go.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, you know what that is? Though, that's a it
was a terrible idea and I'm sorry. We can have
this conversation with the coach all we want, but that's
a terrible idea. And then you get these other reports
that come out that at the start of the year,
they you know, like you were an offensive coordinator before,
like you guys had like scripted plays to start off with, right,
(24:15):
Like that's everybody does that go off the script?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah? You know who didn't?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Embarrassing They're like, well, we had like plays that we're
kind of gott to go to, but you know, not
exactly a script. And then finally DJ Moore and some
others got with the coaching staff and we're like, hey,
can script Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Can we like know what we're doing. It's just like,
but you've got now.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So now, this is multiple times through the first two
months of the season that they're openly questioning the coaching
staff play calling decisions, strategies, Like Caleb Williams like lost
in the shuffle of that Hail Mary was he like
you can see Calebilliams pulling Matt Eberflus off the field
(25:03):
because Matt Eberflus had walked onto the field and they
asked Caleb Williams about him. They're like, yo, so what
was going on there? He's like, well, I didn't want
to get penalized and give them more free yardage because
we already did that to play before when we didn't
do anything about that little quick out that Terry McLaurin ran,
And so like, this is over and over and over again.
(25:25):
Well far two months in. If this is happening this much,
what are we talking about here? Like, there's no way
that there's that there's confidence in the coaching staff, if
the players feel like they've got enough power and enough
say so to be like no, no, no, no. If
this is what's coming to the surface, I can't imagine
what it's like behind the scenes there.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, what's interesting is is that we live in a
day and age where the athlete is unafraid. You know,
these used to be taboo like no nos. If you
ever heard anything come from a player about the team,
about the coach, anything internal, chances were they would get cut.
(26:09):
And if it was a big name guy, it would
create a whole lot of static within the team, within
the team ranks. And maybe that's still how it is.
I don't know it just seems as though that there
is more of a freeness. And I think it's because
of technology. I think it's because of social media. I
(26:30):
think it's because of where the priorities of how we
communicate and the new ways of how we connect and
communicate to our fan bases. I think that plays a
large part of it. Traditional media is not traditional media
so much anymore. It's not the main sources of the
way you kind of consume your information, and so athletes
(26:55):
have become more maybe it's entitled with how they approach
things and how they say things and how they do things.
And I don't know that you can create an environment
where the repercussions of it are are are strong enough
because most of the people that are doing this are
(27:17):
big name players. So you can't. You can't, Well, how
are you gonna really adjust and adapt how this the
player is evolving with how they communicate with what's going on.
It's it's just very difficult. Like you go from a
day and age where if you said something, it now
goes to the local media, right generally it didn't go
(27:40):
to the national media until it was you got an
os like, oh did that really happen? Did he really
say that from the local media, right, And then now
it comes out the way that it's it's presented by
local media, whether it's a writer for the for the
local paper or whether it is a reporter for the
local you know, television reports. That's like you're at the
(28:04):
mercy of what those reporters report, and that's how you're
going to be portrayed. So if he said something like that,
that's going to be brought up to the coach before
it even generally hits the public for consumption. There's going
to be a conversation. Da da da. They're still going
(28:25):
to release it, but they're going to release it with
the spin of what they're they're going to release the
story on on how they're reporting it. Now it's just
raw and uncut, Like I'll go to my social media,
I'll talk about it on my live I'll know filter.
There's no filter, bro. And it's totally changed the way
that the fan is able to consume the information. It's
(28:49):
totally changed how the athlete does it. So I'm not
really sure how that works. Like openly criticizing your coaches,
openly criticizing your team, Oh, Aaron Rodgers does it every week.
He does it every week. I mean, whether he's criticizing himself,
include it. He does it every single week. Like, here's
(29:10):
what I'm curious about is if you've got players who
are captains, leaders that are publicly giving the side eye
to the coaching staff that coach is done, and then
being told by the coach, hey, we need to keep
that in house, and then doubling down, I said, like,
(29:33):
what the hell is the conversation like behind those coach bruh,
that coach is on He's on the clock. That's what
I'm saying. You lose when you lose a locker room,
you're on the clock, Because how do you coach if
you don't have any more control over your locker room
than that where players fill the freedom and they feel
(29:54):
the comfort and the ease of being able to say
what they feel as it applies to something that could
be derogatory towards your team, towards your you as a coach,
you don't And that's a leader saying it. You don't
have the locker room anymore, That's what I'm saying. It's
you're not in a good position.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And if you ever like followed DJ Moore's career. He's
not one of these guys that normally like complains about
anything or let go.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's probably doesn't it probably doesn't need to be viewed
as a malicious way of how he approached it. He
just said what he felt. He just said what he felt.
I mean, we saw that take place with Seattle when
they didn't give Marshaan Lynch the ball, right, I mean,
and they tried to throw it and end up losing
the Super Bowl. You'll see guys have criticisms. Sometimes it's malicious,
(30:42):
sometimes it's not. In this case, I don't you know,
I don't know. I don't know how he feels about
you know, his coach, his coaching staff, his offensive coordinator.
As a head coach. I don't know how how Moore
feels about him. But I do know when you lose
a game like that, you're gonna feel the pressure. Because
(31:02):
it's a large market team, You're gonna feel the pressure
of everything that took place, and you're also gonna have
to navigate the feelings of what that looks like going
into the next game and for and I mean, having
a bye week doesn't help, as you mentioned, But with
that being said, either you're pulling together to try to
go in the right direction to win games, or you're
pulling further apart, and it's like more self preservation. You
(31:27):
never want as a coach, you never want a team
to go into self preservation mode because now it's like
if you think about I said this earlier, like you
got to get all these guys going in the right direction.
It's like a school of fish. Right if you're running
a good a good program and you're going in the
right direction, you have all the fish in the school
(31:48):
going in the same direction. They're going same place, same place,
same place. Like you see orca wells going into their
pods going in the same direction. You see dolphins going
in the same direction. But if they start going in
all kinds of different directions and there's no type of
order or anything like that, it's just all out of
whack and you don't get the same results. And that's
(32:12):
that to me, it's it's like the beginning of the end.
If your school of fish ain't going in the same
direction they start, don't going to every which direction, it's
the beginning of the end of your tenure. As the
head coach.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Did, it was like, man, like they're cruising, like like
they're in a plane and they're just cruising and everything's fine.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And then all of a suddenerbulence just hit them. A
flock of birds just flew into one of the engines,
like oh boy, we're going down.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh boy, And you realize solely's not flying the play
and you're like, yeah, we don't know how this is
going to turn out.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
We've lost eine one, We've lost engine one. Yeah. That
like that play, that one play in that game could
be the tipping point for for the end of the
road there. It could have been a heartbreaking play, you know,
but it was so many like the like you said,
the offensive lineman fumbling bad, the dude sitting there heckling
(33:05):
the fans and Keith King while the play goes, and
then he's the one that tips the ball into the
receiver's hand to win the game. Bad. It's just the manner,
the style points of which they went out and lost
that game is what makes it so easy to jump
on and make it bad. So they got to win, man,
(33:25):
because if they lose, You're right, you know, those voices
beginning to get a little louder. Yeah, not great.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Five lines, not those kind of lines. Five picks, five spreads.
(33:51):
Time for picks against the spread?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
All right, So who wants to get this work? Lee?
How do we stand what happened last week?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Well, last week, Jonas, you did start off pretty strong
by being the only one who took the Browns to
upset the Ravens. Yeah, of course they beat the Ravens
twenty nine to twenty four, So you alone were on
that hill.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
LeVar, you were the only one who took.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
The Eagles surprisingly to beat the Bagels in Cincinnati. Why
and then you doubled down on that you didn't need
the points. You took Cardinals money line versus Miami. They
won by one point. There, everybody took the Chargers to
beat the Saints.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yep, that worked.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
They won that decisively. And then it came down to
Sunday Night football. Brady actually was the only one who
took the Niners to beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
You guys all want to end and upset there? What
it ended up shaking out to be. I took I
had the most.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
LeVar three and two, Brady and Jonas two and.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Three last week. Sorry, I'm in one game, but I mean,
what are the overall stands?
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well, the overall standings are close, but Jonas.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
You are on top?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Twenty was Jonas on top?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
He's twenty three fifteen and two, and I'm what, twenty
three seventeen.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm twenty three seventeen and he's twenty three fifteen And
those two pushes, Yep. He doesn't have more wins than me.
He doesn't have more picks than me, but he has
less losses. So what so that he's got pushes? Yeah, yep,
that makes his record better? Yep? How because he has
(35:19):
less losses pushed, but he doesn't have more wins. But
you don't have more wins? Right, So how's how's he
in the league because he has less losses, but he
doesn't have more wins? I have a record? Maybe what push?
All right, come on, let's go. It doesn't matter because
i'll i'll, I'll take it this week. And less league
(35:40):
manufactures that you know, and less say manufactures some more.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And now have you sent over the games that you're picking?
Because these are picked at random by Lead. He picks
the five games in the NFL each weeks. Have you
sent these over to Brady yet? Or is he gonna
wait until after the games are over?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
And be like, well, I'm f five at all.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
He might have an advantage because I will send him
your picks, but if he doesn't send them to me
before Sunday morning, no, go for Brady.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Okay, but it doesn't matter because he's so far behind
it's ridiculous. Yeah, but we don't hear about that.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
All we hear about is Knox locks and the struggle
of Knox locks and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Meanwhile, Brady's defecated down his leg when it comes to
these pictures. Year long.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Yeah, Quinn wins to talk about that. Quinns wins ain't
doing great either.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
But did he go into and Quinn's wins last night?
Well he should have, all right, So what do we
got this? All?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
This week?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
We got Cowboys at Falcons. Falcons are a three point
favorite at home. I'll take Dallas get into three points.
I'm gonna take Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Why do I always take Dallas? I'm so sick of
this craft? Like the Cowboys are like the X that
you know is crazy, but it's really a lot of fun.
But with her and go trick or treating with her
and stuff like that. I've taken Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Cousins versus Zimmer Alright, Uh, we've talked about it. Raiders
at Bengals. Joe Broke calls it to must win. They
are a touchdown favorite at home.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Touchdown favorite at Yeah, I'm gonna take the Bengals, all right.
What the hell was that against Philly last week?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Like the first half like that was a really close
game and the second half they just came out and melted.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I mean, the Raiders need a quarterback, so I'm gonna
take them. Take them. If you listen to Antonio Pierce,
they need an offensive coordinator too. Well, they need a
lot of things there. Oh, what else we got game?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
We're all looking forward to. Saints at Panthers. Derek car
versus Bryce Young Saints touchdown favorites on the road.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Is there a who cares lying on this? Saints are
a touchdown favorite on the road. I'll take CAROLINEA.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Come on, Bryce Young, You're getting seven points at home
against the bad Saints team that's lost six in a row.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Let's go. Now, I'm gonna take the Saints. Buddy's back
this week, right, Derek Carr's back. Yeah, I'm gonna take
I'm gonna take the Saints, all right. That'll for the NFC.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
North Lions are two and a half point favorites at Lambeau.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Lions. Yeah, I'm gonna take the Lions in this one. Oh.
I get a weird feeling about this game. I don't
know why. That's offence. You wrote defense, and now you
know and now you sound like Oh. Jonas was so right.
He he thought that there was a weird feeling.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I'm gonna I'm gonna roll with Detroit. I just get
a weird feeling about the game. I don't know, there's
just something something feels a little off about it. It's
almost like Detroit to do for a letdown.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
I don't go on with Detroit.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Sunday Night Football, Joe Flacco heads to Minnesota Colts at Vikings.
Vikings five point favorites at.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Take the Vikings, oh Man five points.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I will take Minnesota as well, too, but I feel
a lot more common you go right, you go right
defences Again, I don't want to just make a if
you just make a pick, it's boring.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Radio.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I want to give like an analysis of this game,
and I'm just telling you right now, i'd feel a
lot better about the pick.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Want to some analysis, Well, give analysis. Why you're picking Minnesota,
I feel would feel a lot better. No, I'm picking
Minnesota because they're the better team and you're playing at home.
There's your acknowledge. Nice.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I feel a lot better about Minnesota in this game
if it was Anthony Richardson playing.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
It's Joe Flacco. But guess what, I'll still come back
around to Minnesota. Put a seat on your bike, bro,
Come on, damn wow, what's that supposed to be? Why
you're rat in the fence?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Bro? Like, put a seat on it, sit on, sit on?
What you got going on? We're comfortable this way too,
all right? So we got Lee that is your pix
against the spread man. So there we go. Roll with you, man,
yeah issues, bro, row with you,
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