November 22, 2024 • 40 mins
Why is Giants QB Daniel Jones preparing his goodbye statement to the media before the season is over? The guys discuss the possible reasons & if this actually benefits him in the long run & former Jets HC Rex Ryan is publicly stating he wants to come back to coach the Jets & the Week 12 edition of Picks Against The Spread.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
By Maya.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Brady am in there, a'mas on.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It's a one hell yeah, this man no one, but
at this one we'll bring all bum bum.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
You know what the good thing is about the last hour,
That is, we didn't really talk about anything other than
THURSDA night football, So we still have like a decent
amount of topics to this guy.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Is correct, Yeah, it's correct.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Well. And also at my little jam session, you know,
at some point Brady promised me and us a story
about uh.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah Arrington in the airport yesterday. Oh yeah, no, no, no, this.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Is you'll appreciate that. So I had to go to
New York yesterday.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I was in the city for a couple of things,
and which I will say this, it's incredibly easy to
get there from where I live now. It's like an
hour and five minute flight. That being said, it's one
of those deals.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Where you're like, well, why is the flight schedule for
two hours?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, there's a half hour of taxing on one end,
like a half an hour on the other end, which
sticks Like, if I'm taking a flight, I'd much rather
you take off as fast as possible and then land
and get to.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
The gate and go.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So if it was a two hour flight, I would
like that better than an hour flight with a half
hour of bs.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
On each end. That's just my opinion. Whatever. Anyway, so
I fly, I get in.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It takes me an hour and a half with traffic
to get from La Guerdia into the city dang which
I first stop was in Chelsea, so that took forever.
I get in, ended up being late for the meeting.
Was probably only there for about fifty fifty five minutes stops.
Had to take a car from Chelsea to Tribeca, ton
of traffic.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
That took about fifty minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
All right, it shouldn't take that long, and I would
have walked if it wasn't raining, so and I didn't
bring it and bride nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I just had the clothes I was wearing. That was it.
Then I go to the next meeting.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I'm there for about an hour and fifteen hour and
a half. I go to the I have to go
back to the airport. Now my flight's at eight o'clock.
This this took me probably about another hour and a
half with traffic between the rain and just congest everything else.
So I am pushing it now, Like I mean, you
probably have a home airport where you travel out of
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it enough where if it's tight, you know what corners
to cut, how to kind of you know, make the
flight if you need to. Right, Yeah, I don't fly
in an out of lagroty of them that often. And
obviously they've done a nice job with redoing it, so
it's a little foreign to me. But I started running,
like I get out of there. This's the last flight out.
If I don't make this flight, dude, I am staying
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in New York City with the clothes of my back
or somewhere close to the airport, probably not doing the
show tomorrow because I have a bunch of other stuff.
I have to do today, and I'm saying all these
things are running through my head. I'm texting Scott. I'm like, hey, dude,
just so you know, if this happens, you know sorry.
And I basically turned in to LeVar Arrington in Iowa
City back for Ottawa, Penn State, and I like ended
(04:06):
up like swimming kind of around someone as I'm running,
and then someone else who was kind of like walking
into me, like stiff arming them the way you did
like that, And it was like for a quick moment,
and I was only a glance because I was moving.
I saw the face of utter shock and surprise of that,
like I had kind of put hand to her face,
(04:31):
like I was like preventing a big collision. So it
wasn't so much stiff arming. It was more like, no,
it was preventative measure and and so and I'm running
and then I get to uh, you know, I get
through security, I get get to the gate and then
we're sitting there.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I'm like, oh, no, the door shut.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Maybe they're like no, actually the flight crew, the light
crew was just yeah, they're delayed. So I'm sitting I'm like,
why don't you make an announcement like why can't you
guys update the app something so I'm not running through
the airport like an absolute moron. And I'm pretty sure
there's there's a woman who I don't know if she
would have ran into me or not, but that whole
situation could have been a lot less offward, still in shock.
(05:09):
She was for no reason, almost like the lady and I.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
She was in shock. I don't know what shuffle you
did when you came out. You did like a little yeah,
right right into the stiff arm. Yeah, that was nice,
It was funny, it was awesome.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Now, are you concerned that that's like a bad representation
of who you are? And you're a celebrity to all
those people at the airport are Like there.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Were so many things running through my head at that moment,
I mean, and the number one thing was not to
miss the flight. Yeah you know, well, you know, because
because I wanted to have a chance at seeing my kids,
and that that's always like, that's to me is the
biggest motivation that like in my heart when I'm like,
when I'm going through that, I'm like, dude, it's all
about just trying to see my kids, put them in bed,
Like that's the only I'm a true I'm a big
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believer in the five minutes when they wake up, the
five minutes when they go to bed, like being able
to speak into them. That like important thing for the
day to start the day, and an important thing the
end and end of the day, and obviously in between
every chance you get. But like those those are big
to me. I feel like because for whatever reason, I
resonate with that when I was young, you know, talked
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to my dad or talking to my mom before I
went to bed or when I woke up, that sort
of thing. But that's more of where it comes from.
I just I felt more like an idiot because I
was wearing like a coat and tie because it was
like a nicer event, and I'm like, god, dude, I'm
that guy running through the airport right now, Like I'd
never wanted to be that guy, and here I am.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Hey listen, O J.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Simpson ran through the airport commercial I was figuring it
where you're going to go down the O. J.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Simpson route?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Okay, Well they don't recall this running through the airport
for it Hurts. Yeah it was it Hurts or Avis.
It was for one of them. But he was moving
through the airport.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Well before OJ for people that don't know, well, before
he murdered two people, he was like a beloved commercials
and stuff culture.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I was just gonna say, usually when you mentioned somebody
who's passed away, people say god rest there.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So that wouldn't I don't know, a little controversial there. Huh.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, I think we're we're all good. Here's what
You're not going to get that one here? Okay, Yeah,
it's probably not going to happen. But he did used
to hurdle over seats and stuff like that to make
it to his flight.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
As he did.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
And they're like, hey, that's the juice.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
We didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We didn't realize that was foreshadowing of him showing you
how good he was at escaping or I mean getting.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You know, verlive. You know who else is trying to escape?
Daniel Jones? Is he trying to escape? Or yeah, we've got.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Is this the most bizarre thing though? I mean, I'm
still trying to make sense of what we're about to hear.
I guess I'll pose the question, is this a goodbye letter?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
It was a prepared definitely, and usually prepared statements are
prepared because there is no back up.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Oh, we've got six weeks left in the NFL, right,
he doesn't. But where's it gown?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
He's not traded or do they just get outright cut
him and like to I mean, they'll try to get
something for.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Him right after the season. I mean, he's going to
be there. He's going to be at the unless they
tell him just don't even come to the facility.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
So let's let's listen to Daniel Jones and his prepared
statement and all its glory yesterday for the first time
since being demoted to third string, there have.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Been some great times, but of course we all wish
there have been more of those. I take full responsibility
for my part and not bringing more wins. No one
wanted to win those win more games worse than me,
and I gave everything I had on the field and
in my preparation. Of course, this season has been disappointing
for all, and of course I wish I could have
done more. I'm one hundred percent accountable for my part.
(08:57):
I did not play well enough, consistently enough to the
team get the results. The reality of the NFL is
it's hard to win games and requires consistent performance from
everyone involved. We didn't do that well enough. So the
idea to change something happens. And I understand. I love
the game, I love being part of a team. I'm
excited for the next opportunity. I know that there's a
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lot of good football in front of me, and I'm
excited about that.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, prepared statement, you lose me. I'm out.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
All I'm gonna say is what's interesting about the statement
is him.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
No, him.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Basically he's blaming my interpretation. He's blaming the organization for
things not going well. I wanted to win worse than
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, I put my best, I gave my best, I
did my best right. So basically, what you're saying is
when you end up with saying that, I'm looking forward
to my next opportunity, I got a lot to offer
the game.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Still, I got a lot left.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
What's your basically saying is is I had a lot
to give already and they wasted it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Y'all wasted it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And I'm not going to say y'all wasted it, but
in this prepared statement, I'm gonna just say it wasn't
a lack of effort from men.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Can I ask pose this question who thought of this
that was relevant. By the way, guys up today.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
When Daniel when we meet with the media, why don't
we have Daniel Jones go up and give a goodbye statement.
It's only week twelve in the NFL. We've got a
lot more time, but we're gonna do it now.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
He thinks a time to it. Not doubt the team
would have coordinated. You know what he was like, all right,
now's the time, right, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Maybe the reason why now is the time is because
you want to make sure you're putting your name out
there in the hat for these scouts to be looking
at you heading into the Remember.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Do you remember the last time this happened a quarterback
did they had a prepared statement and read it. It
was Tony Romo in twenty sixteen when they made the
decision after he came back and he was healthy enough
to play, that they were going to stick with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Tony d Ye, Yes, I mean he was great.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Probably maybe he's telling us the pieson Passion is going
to absolutely ball out.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Tommy DeVito, how.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You going No matter what it is, I'm not coming
back in Rome.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Keep bringing back Romo? Well, no, I'm just no.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
But the point was, it's like, dude, Roma, the season
is not over, and it was basically his goodbye letter,
and I remember thinking, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Was it also a prepared statement? I don't really Yes, yeah, yeah,
it was prepared.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
We have the Tony Romo prepared statement from all right,
why not, let's let's dust this off.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
It's in this moment that you find out who you
really are and what.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You're really about.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
You see football as a meritocracy. You aren't handed anything.
You earn everything every single day, over and over again.
You have to prove it. That's the way that the NFL,
that's the way the football works. A great example of
this is Dak Prescott and what he's done. Hey, he's
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earned the right to be our quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Shoo, by the way, just for the why he keep
sucking his teeth for the record, that's the last time
Tony Romer prepared for anything.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Oh that's true. That's not true.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
He's prepared for his tea time almost.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
He did sound that one. God. I love what he just.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Identifies the player's number because he doesn't know, like who
that player is in the roster. You can see forty
seven here is it's like, dude, yeah, look down at
your notes, or maybe just have some flash guards to
memorize it. My god, here's the Here's the difference is
Tony Roman.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Had a lot of black when he built up with
Dallas Cowboys than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
As So if one was justified, I guess you'd make
the case it was justified. However, it seems really odd
for Daniel Jones to do it. It seems disingenuous when
you write out a statement, and maybe it's because you're
concerned about your words being distorted or the media taking
it and doing whatever they want with it, so you'd
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like to write it out read off of that, and
you took time to do it, like I can understand,
there's some people who feel more comfortable or even confident
doing it that way. For me, though, when you can't
look up look people in the eyes when you talk
to them, it just doesn't come off as real and
it feels like someone else was involved in the process
to write it. So whether or not that was the case,
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that's just that's generally the feeling you get. I just
don't know why the hell we're doing it that. Heading
into week twelve, of the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I think because it's the last time he believes he's
going to be relevant this season.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I really do mean this further could.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Take between Tommy DeVito, how you doing. I don't think
Drew Locke the whole he could be thrust a back.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't think they're coming back to him, and I
think that that would be the indicator.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
You never know, though, you could have, like both guys
get injured in the game. Again.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
While I will agree with what you're saying, I'm just
saying I think for him in this moment, he's basically
conceding the fact that he's not coming back in They're
not going to play him, so he's saying goodbye. They've
shut him down.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Is there another New York figure who's maybe trying to say, hello,
remember me?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Maybe I want to come back back to a coach? Maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I mean, I don't know, you know, I mean, would
it be logical for him to come back. I mean,
I didn't see Daniel Jones's toes or feet in his
in his prepared statement. It's not like he was trying
to have the allure of maybe coming back and keeping
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me here. If you come back, you know, what I mean,
it didn't hit me that way. Yeah, it wasn't a
bit that way, was it.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Do you think now, did Daniel Jones strike you as
somebody who was begging for the job or do you think.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I think he was telling everyone it didn't work out,
but it wasn't because of a lack of want from me,
a lack of effort from me. I wish it could
have gone better, but they messed it up for me,
and they messed it up for you all the way
I said anyone where it didn't work out. You know,
I got traded away from Cleveland. You know, I wish
(15:19):
I could have been like, hey man, I wish I
could have done more. I wish this would have worked out.
That was one of the most painful things to deal with, Yeah,
because in your heart and your mind you know that
your effort and your preparation did not Like it's like,
this shouldn't be the end result of everything that I
do to prepare for these games.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
And for it seem I think for me, it's like
as an athlete, you know, or let's just look at
like college, for example, you go to college, You're like,
I know, I have four years of eligibility at least
it used to be this way. I mean, now you
got camic Coornbick at Miami with nine, so it's a
little different, but you had four years, and so in
that four years, it's like, this is what I'm trying
to accomplish. This is what I'm trying to do. And
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very similar when you sign a contract, like you look
at it and you're like, all right, you know things
haven't gone how the way we wanted to, but like,
I still have a couple of years left, like rectify
the situation, to get this fixed, you know, try to
improve all those things. And so when you get traded,
and then you'll even have that opportunity to finish it
out at that particular place that that selected you or
pick to you, even though all those people at that
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point in time are gone.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's tough. It's a tough toill to swallow, though.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I think the hard thing for Daniel Jones in this
instance is these are a lot of the people that
selected them, as far as the ownership group people who
are along now, not Brian Dable. I believe he inherited
Daniel Jones as his quarterback, but they do have equity
build up together. So that's what makes it tough, is
when you are in a position where an organization drafts you,
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they put their future in your hands, and you have
the opportunity to play, and there's some highlights. For example,
they obviously went to the playoffs. His his what second
year is that right? I think it was his third? Yeah,
I think I think it was his third year. Okay,
so third year, and then after that, like things start
to kind of fall by the wayside.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's tough because.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You've done enough where you feel like you probably should
continue to keep getting an opportunity, but the business side
of things is like nope, they're ready to move on,
and you feel like there's there's business that still needs
to be done, right, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I feel for him.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I understand like what he's going through, but at the
same time, like, I'm not sure warrants a letter, you know,
I think there's other avenues to get that done instead
of like a written letter at a you know, middle
of the week press conference, you know, reading it off.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It's fourth year. It's fourth year. That's why they put it.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
He put him in such a bad spot because he
had that good year and that's when they decided, Uh
god man, Yeah, he didn't put them in that bad spot.
They put them in that bad spot. Like, you didn't
have to get get rid of Saquon Barkley. It's so interesting, Hey,
you just didn't have to. The offense ran through Saquon Barkley.
There was no reason to have a problem with it.
(18:09):
He goes to a divisional opponent that is at the
top of the division and now the offense goes through
him there, So you weren't in the wrong direction with
looking at It should not have been considered to be
an indictment on Daniel Jones that the offense went through
your running back.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
It just shouldn't have been. It shouldn't have been an
either or With those two guys.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
You would have gave him a fair opportunity to have
success as a quarterback. You would have gave him elite
neighbors more opportunities to be successful because the offense would
have cleared him up to have more opportunities and chances.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
You fed it up.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
You hear what mylik neighbors said, What do you say, like,
what are your thoughts in the quarterback situation? He's like,
I don't care, Just throw me the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I don't really don't care. All I know is the
owner called it out. Merrick called it out.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
He's like, look, I'm gonna have a lot of sleepless
nights if he goes to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
He's by far our most popular player.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And he said it, and like the GM and the
guys over there, they were like smiling and key, key,
and like, yeah, we know it all worked No, it
didn't work out. It didn't work out, And the whole
football community knows that. The whole sports world who pays
attention knows it. And Daniel Jones is doubling down on
the fact and banking on the fact that he can
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place it on at the feet of the New York
Giants that this is why his career didn't work out
so far on him crazy though.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Right, Like Kyle it was Kyle Pat Shermer. She's Pat
Shermer who drafted him. That was back what twenty nineteen. Yeah,
then you get to Joe Judge for a couple of years.
Then you go to Brian Dable, which that was his
first year with Brian Dables. So that's where it became
difficult because you have this combination that gets you the playoffs.
You're thinking, all right, now we're building onto something which
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in his first three years I think his rookie year,
Daniel Jones should flashes of what he I think is
capable of, and then the next two years that never
really came together. Not many organizations nowadays would give a
quarterback three years of what you saw from Daniel Jones
and allow him to get to that fourth year. That's
what's really interesting about his track record is they actually
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chose him over a lot of coaches, you know, Shermer
to judge, to then Dable and to your point that
fourth year, you know, especially because they didn't they win
the wildcard round, is that right?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
How they beat Minnesota on the road, so.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
They get to another playoff game. Then you're like, okay,
maybe we've got something here. Next year doesn't work out
quite as well, and then now this year it's kind
of falling apart, right, the bottom is falling out, So
now you make that decision to move on. But they've
been really patient with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
In the midst of two injuries. He had the neck
injury that a lot of people thought might have heard
his career, and then had the knee injury last year, like,
there's why didn't you just tag him? I don't like,
it didn't make sense in the time. Now you look
back and you go, yeah, they did it to themselves.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean even with that success though that it was
not to me. There wasn't enough of a sample sass
for that to be warranted to give that type of
of contract.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Contract.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, and if you were going to do it, then
you gotta keep You should just use the tag man
and and kept sayqu whatever it is you needed.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
You should have got the long term deal. Yeah, and
then and put Daniel Johnson tag make it do it again.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I just wonder, is there going to be a hammer
that drops down that vindicates Daniel Jones. There's the possibility
that's something like maybe the the GM is going to
get fired. Yeah, yeah, yep, we get it. Something is
going to I mean, god, dang so intrusive.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, I personally like the farts sound better, but
I mean, if that's what you don't like it.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So you guys said put the hammer down. I put
the hammer down. Yeah, I got I got what you
were putting down.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But then you hit what you hit us with the
break time you hit me with the break time after
you did it, so it's like you were dropping you
was kind of dropping the hammer down on me.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh okay, I'd love.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
How the different producer, but it still gets mad about
the break time signal mother lovers you.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So anyway, Yeah, I think that maybe Daniel Jones is
aware of something that could be possibly happening, and he's
getting ahead of it. So he's putting his version of
it out before it all starts to hit the fan.
And then once it hits the fan, it's like, oh,
Daniel Jones was in the right, you know, he got
short short uh into the stick of it all. And
maybe it gives him an opportunity to test the open
(22:47):
market before any other quarterbacks, you know, because there are
some teams out there that could that are in need
of a quarterback, and Daniel Jones, as crazy as it
may sound, could be uh, could be a solution one
of these teams.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Two pros and a cup of Joe here Fox Sports
Radio coming up next here from the tire rack dot
Com Studios. We got someone really wanting something bad so
much so that they're bagging for it publicly.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
In the NFL. We'll get into that here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
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Speaker 5 (23:25):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up in about fifteen minutes from now, we are going
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the NFL. Here for the tire rack dot Com Studios. Hey, listen,
you guys want to hear somebody do it again?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Who can back it up? All right? Rex? Ryan Oh?
Rex has been campaigning.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Rexy has been campaigning for a job as a coach
in the NFL again for years now. He's been doing
it on ESPN for a long time. Now he's doing
it on ESPN Radio.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Just take a listen.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
I look at it this way. Blow it up. We're
going to blow the opponents up. There's way too much
talent on this team to play the way we've been playing, period,
And how hard can you get a guy to play?
That's the thing. Like nobody's seen the team going to
play the way as hard as this team's going to
play in the future. Trust me. If I'm the guy,
trust me, and that's going to be it. That's what's
going to separate me from all these other guys you're
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going to bring in. You know, you're Gruden or whoever
or whatever. Give me a break. They ain't New York Jets.
I'm all about the Jets. And the great thing is
all right, Yeah, second chance, you get a second chance
at it, and thinks that I've done have him very often? Yeah, well,
when it does, it's usually special. And so we'll find
out if I get that chance or not. If not,
then you know, hope they have one hell of a
guy in place, because I still want to be a
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fan of the Jets. I still want to be. But
you know, when I look around, I know nobody's better
than me.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
So I think they should do it. I swear to God,
because who else I'd love to see it too. I'm right,
They're with you, man, who else wants the job? He
had the Jets bawling, he did it? Think think about
this too.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
He was forty six and fifty in totality during his
what was it six years there? Oh it was a while. Well,
but look at it this way.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
So he's four games under five hundred if you really
removed that last season, which it felt like they were
kind of stumbling falling into it, like there was rumors,
you know, that it was kind of heading the wrong direction,
and then once they got into twenty fourteen, it just
felt like completely disconnected. And I'll be honest with you,
I've said this before. I was there for half that
season in twenty thirteen, and it wasn't an indictment on
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Rex in any way. Like, guys loved Rex. Rex was
an awesome dude to sit in meetings to listen to
him talk to the defense specifically, which he tended to
talk to the defense more than the oh but that
was his background, right, He's a defensive minded coach, but
he got guys to play for him.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
He was a good dude to talk to.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
He was good kind of feeling or getting a sense
for like the temperature of the team. I really loved
him in that regard. The problem was there was a
disconnect between what he wanted to at the front office
wanted with John Izzoc at the time. And that's where
you could feel like there was a complete disconnect and
you could feel the pressure from the front office on
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the coaching staff. It didn't feel like they were working together.
It felt like, you know, between the Mark Sanchez, who
is the draft pick who obviously Rex Ryan had built
up equity with. But then John Izzack comes and he
drafts Geno Smith in the second round and there's pressure
on between that.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Kind of battle.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
So those things, those sorts of things are playing out.
I'm kind of sitting back watching it, going, this isn't good.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Like I've been around the league enough.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I was heading into year seven, so I'd seen enough
to know, like, this feels dysfunctional.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You know, you get him another.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Opportunity where he's got a general manager, where they're on
the same page, there's not any sort of backfighting, there's
no divide.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I think it could work.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
The biggest issue is Woody Johnson, Like, can wood he
get out of his own way? And I know Rex
and him are close, but that's gonna be the biggest
issue is a second time around. Okay, but Rex has
to realize like part of the reason why it didn't
work the first time was because of the organizational structure
Woody Johnson set up. Because of some of the people
that Woody Johnson brought in. And so if he's going
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to campaign for this job, which again I think it'd
be fun to go, you know, watch him coach there again,
it'd be awesome. He better make sure the front office
isn't backstabbing him. That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And for the simple fact that you have to have
that as a part of the statement. I mean, there's
going to always be the agenda what Woody Johnson.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Wants in the end.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I mean, I don't think that anybody's going to refute that,
you know, so at at the end of the day,
I mean, if Rex Ryan came back after everything that's
taken place the first time he was there, and he
were to take over this team, I mean, this is
a very talented team. Rex Ryan's ingredient have been old
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school ingredients, right, run the ball, ground and pound and
play defense. Like it's like what the successful teams generally
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
If they're able to do this.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They have sustained success established a run. Run creates an
open playbook for the later downs in the series. The
later downs in the series, you can either go up top,
go go MiG go go early whatever. Run the ball,
but you have a lot of options and if it
doesn't work out, you play defense. He has the personnel
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in this New York Jets team to be able to
play the type of ball, the brand of ball that
he would coach and that he would bring. My only
concern to that is, and I'm just going to be honest,
if it's not a coach, if you are indeed continuing
on with Aaron Rodgers, if you bring in a coach
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that is going to bring their mental style, their culture,
their approach, it's not going to mesh well because everything
that that coach wants to do is not going to
match what Aaron Rodgers wants to do. And what happens
when that takes place, now, is that coach on the
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same page as Wood? He does that coach get on
the same page with Aaron Rodgers. I think Aaron Rodgers
being the quarterback of this team as long as he's there,
creates the complications for any coach to take this job.
That's what I believe. If you remove Aaron Rodgers, then
now you're tasked with the job of trying to figure
out who your quarterback is going to be, and that's
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going to play a major part. And what the trajectory
of this team is, and that would be what the
incumbent coach would have to deal with. I would probably
bet that any coach coming in would rather have the
opportunity to start over with a new quarterback rather than
have to deal with the uncertainties of what that relationship
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could or could not be. As it applies to Aaron
Rodgers and what you're going to get from.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Him, it's a flawed organization. You need somebody who's not
going to be taken back by the flaws. And Rex
Ryan's already been there. So if he wants back in,
all right, you know what you're signing up for. So
if you want to be here, then then let's make
this work. I would absolutely do it if I were
the Jets. Rex Ryan clearly wants to do it. By
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the way, he's got the most playoff wins in Jets history.
Now I know that's like saying I'm the tallest horse jockey,
but he's he's had a good run there with the Jets.
Like it worked when he was there.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, that been the playoffs or won a playoff game
since right, Yeah, So like nobody else credible is gonna
want the job, Like it's a terrible organization to what
you know.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
You know what concerns me a bit though, is if
you go back, so do you guys recall like what
he got the job, why he got the job. Obviously
defense coordator for the Baltimore Ravens and that style because
obviously I was drafted to Cleveland at this point in time,
and I remember what he was doing defensively, remember like
the stand up walk around and all the different blitzes
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and schemes he was bringing from his time in Baltimore,
and then he kind of took that to the New
York Jets too.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
It was effective, Like that was one where when you'd
see all like.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Sick, they'd be like six seven guys all standing up
walking around, You're going, who the hell are we gonna block?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Like, we got five down linemen, maybe a tight end,
a running back. So I've got seven guys, they've got
seven guys.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
How do I go about a signing? Who's got who?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So that was extremely effective, I mean big time, especially
on third down. That ended up being one of the
reasons why Baltimore so successful. And then obviously he was
successful that like nine to twenty ten season. The problem
is then team started to adjust, and the simple adjustment
was two things. You would just bring your tight end
and running back in and you go to a seven
man protection because what you realize oftentimes was when they
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would walk around like that, you know, it was almost
always zone behind it, and so it didn't really matter
what type of blitz they brought, with the exception of
like an all out bulletz blitz zero, which usually they
never did. From that look, you would just bring in
a seven man protection, so you're tied end stays in,
your running back stays in, and you would say hey
for the offensive line, jelly set so they would set
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back a little deeper, little softer, and they would essentially
catch and then in some cases, depending on the type
of seven man protection, it would either be like a
gap protection or they'd all just all turn to the
left and they would just take that gap to their left,
which was fine, but sometimes you'd get some mismatches, right
like you might get your tight end on a big
and you don't want that. You want your tied end
on like a linebacker or a dB. Same thing with
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your running back. The other thing was is like you
had different seven man man protections, so what you'd say
to your offensive line is you have these four down lines,
like you know going into the game, these are the
down linemen. I don't give a crap where they're walking around.
You have those four and then this known rusher meaning
known as we know that they want to rush this
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fifth guy, this lineback, whoever it is. So however, you
guys figure that out. You take those four, that guy,
those five, and let the tied end and running back
figure out the other two. So those protections became really
effective because they would give the quarterback or they would
give you enough time to be able to drop back
and find the soft spot on the zone coverage even
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though you only had three men out in the routes
because they were playing a zone coverage behind.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
So that was.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Where if you actually go back and watch like the
death of a lot of that walk around stuff. It
kind of started to end around twenty ten, twenty eleven,
and it's it's interesting that he struggled as a head
coach to be as effective following that, like twenty eleven,
twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen, He goes to Buffalo in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, you know, kind of.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Middle of the road.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
But I do wonder if there's an element of like
when he comes back the NFL so much about scheme,
how has he changed schematically?
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Like?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
What would he do different to help the Jets win
football games different from what they've been doing now, whether
it's a sala or whatever other head coach beforehand.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Guys would be fun to watch man so bit happens?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
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Speaker 3 (34:26):
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Speaker 5 (34:28):
Coming up next here, we are going to have our
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Speaker 2 (34:36):
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Speaker 2 (35:33):
Five lines, not those kind of lines. Five picks, five spreads.
Time for picks against the spread.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
So we've got no lee, but we do have Bree.
No lee, but we got breath. We got I thought
this first thing was sponsored?
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Is it not?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
No yet? I just was sold that we did this
because it was a sponsored sect.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Now it's like, oh, I guess it's yeah, Well, yeah,
I was told told something yesterday that I.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Was not aware of. Oh, so you know, but what
it is? So, Bree, how do we do last week?
Where do we stand on the season. Oh jeez, Bree
doesn't know.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
I don't have that information.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Of course you wouldn't have that. I mean I could.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
I can tell you this, guys, I was zero for
five because I forgot again I think.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
See, but you know what, this is what a good
friend I am. Yeah, damn it, Yes, I have it.
I'm sorry. I'm willing it to you.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Yeah, I'm willing to trust. I'm willing to trust Brady's
after the fact picks and not holding against.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Him that he wasn't here at closing bell.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
All right, So I mean, if we want to do that,
I mean, I'm willing to go that direction here.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Yeah, so Jonas Silivar, both of you went three and two.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Look, it's my fault. I swear to you.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I've had either an email or a text open sitting
my picks to Lee, but he usually hits me up
like on a Saturday, like in the morning, So I
feel like I never send it to him.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
So I'm okay with moving.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Forward my current record. It's my fall completely. I'll be responsible.
I'll just try to make the greatest comeback in the
history of picks.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Skins of spread. Okay, that's all. That's all good. Look,
because Varna, I've been on a heater all year, so
good luck. I'm actually trending downward. I can't buy a win.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
You know, it wouldn't matter if I made picks anyway,
because I've been owning three of my own picks the
last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
So are you owned six and quinns wins the last
two weeks? Oh? Buddy, forget that. Go through the last month.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
I think I'd have to go back and track back,
but I think I'm somewhere in the ballpark of like
four and fourteen.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Oh, that's nothing. It's been bad. That's nothing. Yeah, don't
worry about it. And well, I'll talk you out of that.
Don't worry about it, Brie. What do we got this week?
Speaker 9 (37:44):
Okay, so we got the AFC West Showdown. The Broncos
are in Sin City taking on the Raiders. The Broncos
are favored by six. Who do you guys got?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's the showdown? The show show down. Damn, the show
is not up. The show his dad.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
I'm an Antonio Pierce supporter, So I'm gonna go ahead
and I'm gonna take the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Getting the point, I'm gonna take the Raiders. Six points too.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I think the Broncos are playing at a high level.
I think I think they're going to dang ap stop that.
I gotta do my job. Your own boy, care what
you give my homie a quarterback? And then we could talk.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
About your back, man, I got your back.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Navarro's coaching on a different team, so I thought it
was the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
No, we gotta go.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
All right, So the Vikings are playing dub Bears and
they're three and a half point favorites on the road.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
You guys got I hate the hook. I'll take the Bears.
I'm gonna take the Vikings' what's the point spread? Three
and a half? Yeah, I'm gonna take the Vikes. Yeah,
that'll cover nice. The yellow horn there, bam.
Speaker 9 (38:50):
All right, So now we got the lead a lot
Bowl the forty nine ers at in Green Bay at Lambeau.
The Packers are favored by three points.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Oh give me the three points. Say Francisco. Lead's there.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
He's gonna be all hammered, all like go back out,
like getting back those old ways. I'm going with San Francisco,
all right, just to stick it to lead a lab.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
I'm gonna take the Packers because Lee's awake.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
He is responding to our text messages right now, so
that's a good sign.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I'm going money line the uh the forty nine.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Hell yeah, var although that that actually you can't really
do that because I guess it's fine.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You can do it whatever you want. It's the spread,
but you do it against the spirit you do you.
I mean, take the three points, but if you don't
want to, I'll take the three.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Points sticks picks.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
But I'm going to money line them. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It's my favorite proper sticks picks.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Damn, damn. Oh what else? We are brute? Okay.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
So the Eagles are taking on the Rams in LA
and the Eagles are two and a half point favorites.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
All the line dropped. The Eagles are Rams in La.
Oh I wanted the three Eagles as well. I'm laying
the points. I'll take the Rams anyways. I think they
went out right. Dang, I don't take the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
And the last one is like the like the Harball Brothers,
like Super Bowl kind of thing. The Ravens are playing
the Chargers. Baltimore is favored by two and a half
in La.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, I'm going to take the Ravens. To cover.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Give me the chargers, I'll take. Give me the points
and the chargers. Big Brother got Lamar's number back. He's
going to big Brother and
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
By Maya.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Brady am in there, a'mas on.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It's a one hell yeah, this man no one, but
at this one we'll bring all bum bum.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
You know what the good thing is about the last hour,
That is, we didn't really talk about anything other than
THURSDA night football, So we still have like a decent
amount of topics to this guy.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Is correct, Yeah, it's correct.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Well. And also at my little jam session, you know,
at some point Brady promised me and us a story
about uh.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah Arrington in the airport yesterday. Oh yeah, no, no, no, this.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Is you'll appreciate that. So I had to go to
New York yesterday.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I was in the city for a couple of things,
and which I will say this, it's incredibly easy to
get there from where I live now. It's like an
hour and five minute flight. That being said, it's one
of those deals.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Where you're like, well, why is the flight schedule for
two hours?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, there's a half hour of taxing on one end,
like a half an hour on the other end, which
sticks Like, if I'm taking a flight, I'd much rather
you take off as fast as possible and then land
and get to.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
The gate and go.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So if it was a two hour flight, I would
like that better than an hour flight with a half
hour of bs.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
On each end. That's just my opinion. Whatever. Anyway, so
I fly, I get in.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It takes me an hour and a half with traffic
to get from La Guerdia into the city dang which
I first stop was in Chelsea, so that took forever.
I get in, ended up being late for the meeting.
Was probably only there for about fifty fifty five minutes stops.
Had to take a car from Chelsea to Tribeca, ton
of traffic.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
That took about fifty minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
All right, it shouldn't take that long, and I would
have walked if it wasn't raining, so and I didn't
bring it and bride nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I just had the clothes I was wearing. That was it.
Then I go to the next meeting.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I'm there for about an hour and fifteen hour and
a half. I go to the I have to go
back to the airport. Now my flight's at eight o'clock.
This this took me probably about another hour and a
half with traffic between the rain and just congest everything else.
So I am pushing it now, Like I mean, you
probably have a home airport where you travel out of
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it enough where if it's tight, you know what corners
to cut, how to kind of you know, make the
flight if you need to. Right, Yeah, I don't fly
in an out of lagroty of them that often. And
obviously they've done a nice job with redoing it, so
it's a little foreign to me. But I started running,
like I get out of there. This's the last flight out.
If I don't make this flight, dude, I am staying
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in New York City with the clothes of my back
or somewhere close to the airport, probably not doing the
show tomorrow because I have a bunch of other stuff.
I have to do today, and I'm saying all these
things are running through my head. I'm texting Scott. I'm like, hey, dude,
just so you know, if this happens, you know sorry.
And I basically turned in to LeVar Arrington in Iowa
City back for Ottawa, Penn State, and I like ended
(04:06):
up like swimming kind of around someone as I'm running,
and then someone else who was kind of like walking
into me, like stiff arming them the way you did
like that, And it was like for a quick moment,
and I was only a glance because I was moving.
I saw the face of utter shock and surprise of that,
like I had kind of put hand to her face,
(04:31):
like I was like preventing a big collision. So it
wasn't so much stiff arming. It was more like, no,
it was preventative measure and and so and I'm running
and then I get to uh, you know, I get
through security, I get get to the gate and then
we're sitting there.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I'm like, oh, no, the door shut.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Maybe they're like no, actually the flight crew, the light
crew was just yeah, they're delayed. So I'm sitting I'm like,
why don't you make an announcement like why can't you
guys update the app something so I'm not running through
the airport like an absolute moron. And I'm pretty sure
there's there's a woman who I don't know if she
would have ran into me or not, but that whole
situation could have been a lot less offward, still in shock.
(05:09):
She was for no reason, almost like the lady and I.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
She was in shock. I don't know what shuffle you
did when you came out. You did like a little yeah,
right right into the stiff arm. Yeah, that was nice,
It was funny, it was awesome.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Now, are you concerned that that's like a bad representation
of who you are? And you're a celebrity to all
those people at the airport are Like there.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Were so many things running through my head at that moment,
I mean, and the number one thing was not to
miss the flight. Yeah you know, well, you know, because
because I wanted to have a chance at seeing my kids,
and that that's always like, that's to me is the
biggest motivation that like in my heart when I'm like,
when I'm going through that, I'm like, dude, it's all
about just trying to see my kids, put them in bed,
Like that's the only I'm a true I'm a big
(05:53):
believer in the five minutes when they wake up, the
five minutes when they go to bed, like being able
to speak into them. That like important thing for the
day to start the day, and an important thing the
end and end of the day, and obviously in between
every chance you get. But like those those are big
to me. I feel like because for whatever reason, I
resonate with that when I was young, you know, talked
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to my dad or talking to my mom before I
went to bed or when I woke up, that sort
of thing. But that's more of where it comes from.
I just I felt more like an idiot because I
was wearing like a coat and tie because it was
like a nicer event, and I'm like, god, dude, I'm
that guy running through the airport right now, Like I'd
never wanted to be that guy, and here I am.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Hey listen, O J.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Simpson ran through the airport commercial I was figuring it
where you're going to go down the O. J.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Simpson route?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Okay, Well they don't recall this running through the airport
for it Hurts. Yeah it was it Hurts or Avis.
It was for one of them. But he was moving
through the airport.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Well before OJ for people that don't know, well, before
he murdered two people, he was like a beloved commercials
and stuff culture.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I was just gonna say, usually when you mentioned somebody
who's passed away, people say god rest there.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So that wouldn't I don't know, a little controversial there. Huh.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, I think we're we're all good. Here's what
You're not going to get that one here? Okay, Yeah,
it's probably not going to happen. But he did used
to hurdle over seats and stuff like that to make
it to his flight.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
As he did.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
And they're like, hey, that's the juice.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
We didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We didn't realize that was foreshadowing of him showing you
how good he was at escaping or I mean getting.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You know, verlive. You know who else is trying to escape?
Daniel Jones? Is he trying to escape? Or yeah, we've got.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Is this the most bizarre thing though? I mean, I'm
still trying to make sense of what we're about to hear.
I guess I'll pose the question, is this a goodbye letter?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
It was a prepared definitely, and usually prepared statements are
prepared because there is no back up.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Oh, we've got six weeks left in the NFL, right,
he doesn't. But where's it gown?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
He's not traded or do they just get outright cut
him and like to I mean, they'll try to get
something for.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Him right after the season. I mean, he's going to
be there. He's going to be at the unless they
tell him just don't even come to the facility.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
So let's let's listen to Daniel Jones and his prepared
statement and all its glory yesterday for the first time
since being demoted to third string, there have.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Been some great times, but of course we all wish
there have been more of those. I take full responsibility
for my part and not bringing more wins. No one
wanted to win those win more games worse than me,
and I gave everything I had on the field and
in my preparation. Of course, this season has been disappointing
for all, and of course I wish I could have
done more. I'm one hundred percent accountable for my part.
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I did not play well enough, consistently enough to the
team get the results. The reality of the NFL is
it's hard to win games and requires consistent performance from
everyone involved. We didn't do that well enough. So the
idea to change something happens. And I understand. I love
the game, I love being part of a team. I'm
excited for the next opportunity. I know that there's a
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lot of good football in front of me, and I'm
excited about that.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, prepared statement, you lose me. I'm out.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
All I'm gonna say is what's interesting about the statement
is him.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
No, him.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Basically he's blaming my interpretation. He's blaming the organization for
things not going well. I wanted to win worse than
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, I put my best, I gave my best, I
did my best right. So basically, what you're saying is
when you end up with saying that, I'm looking forward
to my next opportunity, I got a lot to offer
the game.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Still, I got a lot left.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
What's your basically saying is is I had a lot
to give already and they wasted it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Y'all wasted it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And I'm not going to say y'all wasted it, but
in this prepared statement, I'm gonna just say it wasn't
a lack of effort from men.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Can I ask pose this question who thought of this
that was relevant. By the way, guys up today.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
When Daniel when we meet with the media, why don't
we have Daniel Jones go up and give a goodbye statement.
It's only week twelve in the NFL. We've got a
lot more time, but we're gonna do it now.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
He thinks a time to it. Not doubt the team
would have coordinated. You know what he was like, all right,
now's the time, right, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Maybe the reason why now is the time is because
you want to make sure you're putting your name out
there in the hat for these scouts to be looking
at you heading into the Remember.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Do you remember the last time this happened a quarterback
did they had a prepared statement and read it. It
was Tony Romo in twenty sixteen when they made the
decision after he came back and he was healthy enough
to play, that they were going to stick with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Tony d Ye, Yes, I mean he was great.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Probably maybe he's telling us the pieson Passion is going
to absolutely ball out.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Tommy DeVito, how.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You going No matter what it is, I'm not coming
back in Rome.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Keep bringing back Romo? Well, no, I'm just no.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
But the point was, it's like, dude, Roma, the season
is not over, and it was basically his goodbye letter,
and I remember thinking, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Was it also a prepared statement? I don't really Yes, yeah, yeah,
it was prepared.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
We have the Tony Romo prepared statement from all right,
why not, let's let's dust this off.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
It's in this moment that you find out who you
really are and what.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You're really about.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
You see football as a meritocracy. You aren't handed anything.
You earn everything every single day, over and over again.
You have to prove it. That's the way that the NFL,
that's the way the football works. A great example of
this is Dak Prescott and what he's done. Hey, he's
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earned the right to be our quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Shoo, by the way, just for the why he keep
sucking his teeth for the record, that's the last time
Tony Romer prepared for anything.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Oh that's true. That's not true.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
He's prepared for his tea time almost.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
He did sound that one. God. I love what he just.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Identifies the player's number because he doesn't know, like who
that player is in the roster. You can see forty
seven here is it's like, dude, yeah, look down at
your notes, or maybe just have some flash guards to
memorize it. My god, here's the Here's the difference is
Tony Roman.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Had a lot of black when he built up with
Dallas Cowboys than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
As So if one was justified, I guess you'd make
the case it was justified. However, it seems really odd
for Daniel Jones to do it. It seems disingenuous when
you write out a statement, and maybe it's because you're
concerned about your words being distorted or the media taking
it and doing whatever they want with it, so you'd
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like to write it out read off of that, and
you took time to do it, like I can understand,
there's some people who feel more comfortable or even confident
doing it that way. For me, though, when you can't
look up look people in the eyes when you talk
to them, it just doesn't come off as real and
it feels like someone else was involved in the process
to write it. So whether or not that was the case,
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that's just that's generally the feeling you get. I just
don't know why the hell we're doing it that. Heading
into week twelve, of the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I think because it's the last time he believes he's
going to be relevant this season.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I really do mean this further could.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Take between Tommy DeVito, how you doing. I don't think
Drew Locke the whole he could be thrust a back.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't think they're coming back to him, and I
think that that would be the indicator.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
You never know, though, you could have, like both guys
get injured in the game. Again.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
While I will agree with what you're saying, I'm just
saying I think for him in this moment, he's basically
conceding the fact that he's not coming back in They're
not going to play him, so he's saying goodbye. They've
shut him down.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Is there another New York figure who's maybe trying to say, hello,
remember me?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Maybe I want to come back back to a coach? Maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I mean, I don't know, you know, I mean, would
it be logical for him to come back. I mean,
I didn't see Daniel Jones's toes or feet in his
in his prepared statement. It's not like he was trying
to have the allure of maybe coming back and keeping
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me here. If you come back, you know, what I mean,
it didn't hit me that way. Yeah, it wasn't a
bit that way, was it.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Do you think now, did Daniel Jones strike you as
somebody who was begging for the job or do you think.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I think he was telling everyone it didn't work out,
but it wasn't because of a lack of want from me,
a lack of effort from me. I wish it could
have gone better, but they messed it up for me,
and they messed it up for you all the way
I said anyone where it didn't work out. You know,
I got traded away from Cleveland. You know, I wish
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I could have been like, hey man, I wish I
could have done more. I wish this would have worked out.
That was one of the most painful things to deal with, Yeah,
because in your heart and your mind you know that
your effort and your preparation did not Like it's like,
this shouldn't be the end result of everything that I
do to prepare for these games.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
And for it seem I think for me, it's like
as an athlete, you know, or let's just look at
like college, for example, you go to college, You're like,
I know, I have four years of eligibility at least
it used to be this way. I mean, now you
got camic Coornbick at Miami with nine, so it's a
little different, but you had four years, and so in
that four years, it's like, this is what I'm trying
to accomplish. This is what I'm trying to do. And
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very similar when you sign a contract, like you look
at it and you're like, all right, you know things
haven't gone how the way we wanted to, but like,
I still have a couple of years left, like rectify
the situation, to get this fixed, you know, try to
improve all those things. And so when you get traded,
and then you'll even have that opportunity to finish it
out at that particular place that that selected you or
pick to you, even though all those people at that
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point in time are gone.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's tough. It's a tough toill to swallow, though.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I think the hard thing for Daniel Jones in this
instance is these are a lot of the people that
selected them, as far as the ownership group people who
are along now, not Brian Dable. I believe he inherited
Daniel Jones as his quarterback, but they do have equity
build up together. So that's what makes it tough, is
when you are in a position where an organization drafts you,
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they put their future in your hands, and you have
the opportunity to play, and there's some highlights. For example,
they obviously went to the playoffs. His his what second
year is that right? I think it was his third? Yeah,
I think I think it was his third year. Okay,
so third year, and then after that, like things start
to kind of fall by the wayside.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's tough because.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You've done enough where you feel like you probably should
continue to keep getting an opportunity, but the business side
of things is like nope, they're ready to move on,
and you feel like there's there's business that still needs
to be done, right, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I feel for him.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I understand like what he's going through, but at the
same time, like, I'm not sure warrants a letter, you know,
I think there's other avenues to get that done instead
of like a written letter at a you know, middle
of the week press conference, you know, reading it off.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It's fourth year. It's fourth year. That's why they put it.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
He put him in such a bad spot because he
had that good year and that's when they decided, Uh
god man, Yeah, he didn't put them in that bad spot.
They put them in that bad spot. Like, you didn't
have to get get rid of Saquon Barkley. It's so interesting, Hey,
you just didn't have to. The offense ran through Saquon Barkley.
There was no reason to have a problem with it.
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He goes to a divisional opponent that is at the
top of the division and now the offense goes through
him there, So you weren't in the wrong direction with
looking at It should not have been considered to be
an indictment on Daniel Jones that the offense went through
your running back.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
It just shouldn't have been. It shouldn't have been an
either or With those two guys.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
You would have gave him a fair opportunity to have
success as a quarterback. You would have gave him elite
neighbors more opportunities to be successful because the offense would
have cleared him up to have more opportunities and chances.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
You fed it up.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
You hear what mylik neighbors said, What do you say, like,
what are your thoughts in the quarterback situation? He's like,
I don't care, Just throw me the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I don't really don't care. All I know is the
owner called it out. Merrick called it out.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
He's like, look, I'm gonna have a lot of sleepless
nights if he goes to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
He's by far our most popular player.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And he said it, and like the GM and the
guys over there, they were like smiling and key, key,
and like, yeah, we know it all worked No, it
didn't work out. It didn't work out, And the whole
football community knows that. The whole sports world who pays
attention knows it. And Daniel Jones is doubling down on
the fact and banking on the fact that he can
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place it on at the feet of the New York
Giants that this is why his career didn't work out
so far on him crazy though.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Right, Like Kyle it was Kyle Pat Shermer. She's Pat
Shermer who drafted him. That was back what twenty nineteen. Yeah,
then you get to Joe Judge for a couple of years.
Then you go to Brian Dable, which that was his
first year with Brian Dables. So that's where it became
difficult because you have this combination that gets you the playoffs.
You're thinking, all right, now we're building onto something which
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in his first three years I think his rookie year,
Daniel Jones should flashes of what he I think is
capable of, and then the next two years that never
really came together. Not many organizations nowadays would give a
quarterback three years of what you saw from Daniel Jones
and allow him to get to that fourth year. That's
what's really interesting about his track record is they actually
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chose him over a lot of coaches, you know, Shermer
to judge, to then Dable and to your point that
fourth year, you know, especially because they didn't they win
the wildcard round, is that right?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
How they beat Minnesota on the road, so.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
They get to another playoff game. Then you're like, okay,
maybe we've got something here. Next year doesn't work out
quite as well, and then now this year it's kind
of falling apart, right, the bottom is falling out, So
now you make that decision to move on. But they've
been really patient with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
In the midst of two injuries. He had the neck
injury that a lot of people thought might have heard
his career, and then had the knee injury last year, like,
there's why didn't you just tag him? I don't like,
it didn't make sense in the time. Now you look
back and you go, yeah, they did it to themselves.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I mean even with that success though that it was
not to me. There wasn't enough of a sample sass
for that to be warranted to give that type of
of contract.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Contract.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, and if you were going to do it, then
you gotta keep You should just use the tag man
and and kept sayqu whatever it is you needed.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
You should have got the long term deal. Yeah, and
then and put Daniel Johnson tag make it do it again.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I just wonder, is there going to be a hammer
that drops down that vindicates Daniel Jones. There's the possibility
that's something like maybe the the GM is going to
get fired. Yeah, yeah, yep, we get it. Something is
going to I mean, god, dang so intrusive.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, I personally like the farts sound better, but
I mean, if that's what you don't like it.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So you guys said put the hammer down. I put
the hammer down. Yeah, I got I got what you
were putting down.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But then you hit what you hit us with the
break time you hit me with the break time after
you did it, so it's like you were dropping you
was kind of dropping the hammer down on me.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh okay, I'd love.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
How the different producer, but it still gets mad about
the break time signal mother lovers you.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So anyway, Yeah, I think that maybe Daniel Jones is
aware of something that could be possibly happening, and he's
getting ahead of it. So he's putting his version of
it out before it all starts to hit the fan.
And then once it hits the fan, it's like, oh,
Daniel Jones was in the right, you know, he got
short short uh into the stick of it all. And
maybe it gives him an opportunity to test the open
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market before any other quarterbacks, you know, because there are
some teams out there that could that are in need
of a quarterback, and Daniel Jones, as crazy as it
may sound, could be uh, could be a solution one
of these teams.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
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much so that they're bagging for it publicly.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
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you guys want to hear somebody do it again?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Who can back it up? All right? Rex? Ryan Oh?
Rex has been campaigning.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Rexy has been campaigning for a job as a coach
in the NFL again for years now. He's been doing
it on ESPN for a long time. Now he's doing
it on ESPN Radio.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Just take a listen.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
I look at it this way. Blow it up. We're
going to blow the opponents up. There's way too much
talent on this team to play the way we've been playing, period,
And how hard can you get a guy to play?
That's the thing. Like nobody's seen the team going to
play the way as hard as this team's going to
play in the future. Trust me. If I'm the guy,
trust me, and that's going to be it. That's what's
going to separate me from all these other guys you're
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going to bring in. You know, you're Gruden or whoever
or whatever. Give me a break. They ain't New York Jets.
I'm all about the Jets. And the great thing is
all right, Yeah, second chance, you get a second chance
at it, and thinks that I've done have him very often? Yeah, well,
when it does, it's usually special. And so we'll find
out if I get that chance or not. If not,
then you know, hope they have one hell of a
guy in place, because I still want to be a
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fan of the Jets. I still want to be. But
you know, when I look around, I know nobody's better
than me.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
So I think they should do it. I swear to God,
because who else I'd love to see it too. I'm right,
They're with you, man, who else wants the job? He
had the Jets bawling, he did it? Think think about
this too.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
He was forty six and fifty in totality during his
what was it six years there? Oh it was a while. Well,
but look at it this way.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
So he's four games under five hundred if you really
removed that last season, which it felt like they were
kind of stumbling falling into it, like there was rumors,
you know, that it was kind of heading the wrong direction,
and then once they got into twenty fourteen, it just
felt like completely disconnected. And I'll be honest with you,
I've said this before. I was there for half that
season in twenty thirteen, and it wasn't an indictment on
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Rex in any way. Like, guys loved Rex. Rex was
an awesome dude to sit in meetings to listen to
him talk to the defense specifically, which he tended to
talk to the defense more than the oh but that
was his background, right, He's a defensive minded coach, but
he got guys to play for him.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
He was a good dude to talk to.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
He was good kind of feeling or getting a sense
for like the temperature of the team. I really loved
him in that regard. The problem was there was a
disconnect between what he wanted to at the front office
wanted with John Izzoc at the time. And that's where
you could feel like there was a complete disconnect and
you could feel the pressure from the front office on
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the coaching staff. It didn't feel like they were working together.
It felt like, you know, between the Mark Sanchez, who
is the draft pick who obviously Rex Ryan had built
up equity with. But then John Izzack comes and he
drafts Geno Smith in the second round and there's pressure
on between that.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Kind of battle.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
So those things, those sorts of things are playing out.
I'm kind of sitting back watching it, going, this isn't good.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Like I've been around the league enough.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I was heading into year seven, so I'd seen enough
to know, like, this feels dysfunctional.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You know, you get him another.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Opportunity where he's got a general manager, where they're on
the same page, there's not any sort of backfighting, there's
no divide.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I think it could work.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
The biggest issue is Woody Johnson, Like, can wood he
get out of his own way? And I know Rex
and him are close, but that's gonna be the biggest
issue is a second time around. Okay, but Rex has
to realize like part of the reason why it didn't
work the first time was because of the organizational structure
Woody Johnson set up. Because of some of the people
that Woody Johnson brought in. And so if he's going
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to campaign for this job, which again I think it'd
be fun to go, you know, watch him coach there again,
it'd be awesome. He better make sure the front office
isn't backstabbing him. That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And for the simple fact that you have to have
that as a part of the statement. I mean, there's
going to always be the agenda what Woody Johnson.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Wants in the end.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I mean, I don't think that anybody's going to refute that,
you know, so at at the end of the day,
I mean, if Rex Ryan came back after everything that's
taken place the first time he was there, and he
were to take over this team, I mean, this is
a very talented team. Rex Ryan's ingredient have been old
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school ingredients, right, run the ball, ground and pound and
play defense. Like it's like what the successful teams generally
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
If they're able to do this.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They have sustained success established a run. Run creates an
open playbook for the later downs in the series. The
later downs in the series, you can either go up top,
go go MiG go go early whatever. Run the ball,
but you have a lot of options and if it
doesn't work out, you play defense. He has the personnel
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in this New York Jets team to be able to
play the type of ball, the brand of ball that
he would coach and that he would bring. My only
concern to that is, and I'm just going to be honest,
if it's not a coach, if you are indeed continuing
on with Aaron Rodgers, if you bring in a coach
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that is going to bring their mental style, their culture,
their approach, it's not going to mesh well because everything
that that coach wants to do is not going to
match what Aaron Rodgers wants to do. And what happens
when that takes place, now, is that coach on the
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same page as Wood? He does that coach get on
the same page with Aaron Rodgers. I think Aaron Rodgers
being the quarterback of this team as long as he's there,
creates the complications for any coach to take this job.
That's what I believe. If you remove Aaron Rodgers, then
now you're tasked with the job of trying to figure
out who your quarterback is going to be, and that's
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going to play a major part. And what the trajectory
of this team is, and that would be what the
incumbent coach would have to deal with. I would probably
bet that any coach coming in would rather have the
opportunity to start over with a new quarterback rather than
have to deal with the uncertainties of what that relationship
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could or could not be. As it applies to Aaron
Rodgers and what you're going to get from.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Him, it's a flawed organization. You need somebody who's not
going to be taken back by the flaws. And Rex
Ryan's already been there. So if he wants back in,
all right, you know what you're signing up for. So
if you want to be here, then then let's make
this work. I would absolutely do it if I were
the Jets. Rex Ryan clearly wants to do it. By
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the way, he's got the most playoff wins in Jets history.
Now I know that's like saying I'm the tallest horse jockey,
but he's he's had a good run there with the Jets.
Like it worked when he was there.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, that been the playoffs or won a playoff game
since right, Yeah, So like nobody else credible is gonna
want the job, Like it's a terrible organization to what
you know.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
You know what concerns me a bit though, is if
you go back, so do you guys recall like what
he got the job, why he got the job. Obviously
defense coordator for the Baltimore Ravens and that style because
obviously I was drafted to Cleveland at this point in time,
and I remember what he was doing defensively, remember like
the stand up walk around and all the different blitzes
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and schemes he was bringing from his time in Baltimore,
and then he kind of took that to the New
York Jets too.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
It was effective, Like that was one where when you'd
see all like.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Sick, they'd be like six seven guys all standing up
walking around, You're going, who the hell are we gonna block?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Like, we got five down linemen, maybe a tight end,
a running back. So I've got seven guys, they've got
seven guys.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
How do I go about a signing? Who's got who?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So that was extremely effective, I mean big time, especially
on third down. That ended up being one of the
reasons why Baltimore so successful. And then obviously he was
successful that like nine to twenty ten season. The problem
is then team started to adjust, and the simple adjustment
was two things. You would just bring your tight end
and running back in and you go to a seven
man protection because what you realize oftentimes was when they
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would walk around like that, you know, it was almost
always zone behind it, and so it didn't really matter
what type of blitz they brought, with the exception of
like an all out bulletz blitz zero, which usually they
never did. From that look, you would just bring in
a seven man protection, so you're tied end stays in,
your running back stays in, and you would say hey
for the offensive line, jelly set so they would set
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back a little deeper, little softer, and they would essentially
catch and then in some cases, depending on the type
of seven man protection, it would either be like a
gap protection or they'd all just all turn to the
left and they would just take that gap to their left,
which was fine, but sometimes you'd get some mismatches, right
like you might get your tight end on a big
and you don't want that. You want your tied end
on like a linebacker or a dB. Same thing with
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your running back. The other thing was is like you
had different seven man man protections, so what you'd say
to your offensive line is you have these four down lines,
like you know going into the game, these are the
down linemen. I don't give a crap where they're walking around.
You have those four and then this known rusher meaning
known as we know that they want to rush this
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fifth guy, this lineback, whoever it is. So however, you
guys figure that out. You take those four, that guy,
those five, and let the tied end and running back
figure out the other two. So those protections became really
effective because they would give the quarterback or they would
give you enough time to be able to drop back
and find the soft spot on the zone coverage even
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though you only had three men out in the routes
because they were playing a zone coverage behind.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
So that was.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Where if you actually go back and watch like the
death of a lot of that walk around stuff. It
kind of started to end around twenty ten, twenty eleven,
and it's it's interesting that he struggled as a head
coach to be as effective following that, like twenty eleven,
twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen, He goes to Buffalo in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, you know, kind of.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Middle of the road.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
But I do wonder if there's an element of like
when he comes back the NFL so much about scheme,
how has he changed schematically?
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Like?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
What would he do different to help the Jets win
football games different from what they've been doing now, whether
it's a sala or whatever other head coach beforehand.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Guys would be fun to watch man so bit happens?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
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Speaker 3 (34:26):
You here, I'll perform dysfunction.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Coming up next here, we are going to have our
picks against the spread for Week twelve in the NFL.
That'll be yours right here on FSR.
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Speaker 2 (35:33):
Five lines, not those kind of lines. Five picks, five spreads.
Time for picks against the spread.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
So we've got no lee, but we do have Bree.
No lee, but we got breath. We got I thought
this first thing was sponsored?
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Is it not?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
No yet? I just was sold that we did this
because it was a sponsored sect.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Now it's like, oh, I guess it's yeah, Well, yeah,
I was told told something yesterday that I.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Was not aware of. Oh, so you know, but what
it is? So, Bree, how do we do last week?
Where do we stand on the season. Oh jeez, Bree
doesn't know.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
I don't have that information.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Of course you wouldn't have that. I mean I could.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
I can tell you this, guys, I was zero for
five because I forgot again I think.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
See, but you know what, this is what a good
friend I am. Yeah, damn it, Yes, I have it.
I'm sorry. I'm willing it to you.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Yeah, I'm willing to trust. I'm willing to trust Brady's
after the fact picks and not holding against.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Him that he wasn't here at closing bell.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
All right, So I mean, if we want to do that,
I mean, I'm willing to go that direction here.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Yeah, so Jonas Silivar, both of you went three and two.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Look, it's my fault. I swear to you.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I've had either an email or a text open sitting
my picks to Lee, but he usually hits me up
like on a Saturday, like in the morning, So I
feel like I never send it to him.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
So I'm okay with moving.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Forward my current record. It's my fall completely. I'll be responsible.
I'll just try to make the greatest comeback in the
history of picks.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Skins of spread. Okay, that's all. That's all good. Look,
because Varna, I've been on a heater all year, so
good luck. I'm actually trending downward. I can't buy a win.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
You know, it wouldn't matter if I made picks anyway,
because I've been owning three of my own picks the
last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
So are you owned six and quinns wins the last
two weeks? Oh? Buddy, forget that. Go through the last month.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
I think I'd have to go back and track back,
but I think I'm somewhere in the ballpark of like
four and fourteen.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Oh, that's nothing. It's been bad. That's nothing. Yeah, don't
worry about it. And well, I'll talk you out of that.
Don't worry about it, Brie. What do we got this week?
Speaker 9 (37:44):
Okay, so we got the AFC West Showdown. The Broncos
are in Sin City taking on the Raiders. The Broncos
are favored by six. Who do you guys got?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's the showdown? The show show down. Damn, the show
is not up. The show his dad.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
I'm an Antonio Pierce supporter, So I'm gonna go ahead
and I'm gonna take the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Getting the point, I'm gonna take the Raiders. Six points too.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I think the Broncos are playing at a high level.
I think I think they're going to dang ap stop that.
I gotta do my job. Your own boy, care what
you give my homie a quarterback? And then we could talk.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
About your back, man, I got your back.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Navarro's coaching on a different team, so I thought it
was the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
No, we gotta go.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
All right, So the Vikings are playing dub Bears and
they're three and a half point favorites on the road.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
You guys got I hate the hook. I'll take the Bears.
I'm gonna take the Vikings' what's the point spread? Three
and a half? Yeah, I'm gonna take the Vikes. Yeah,
that'll cover nice. The yellow horn there, bam.
Speaker 9 (38:50):
All right, So now we got the lead a lot
Bowl the forty nine ers at in Green Bay at Lambeau.
The Packers are favored by three points.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Oh give me the three points. Say Francisco. Lead's there.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
He's gonna be all hammered, all like go back out,
like getting back those old ways. I'm going with San Francisco,
all right, just to stick it to lead a lab.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
I'm gonna take the Packers because Lee's awake.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
He is responding to our text messages right now, so
that's a good sign.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I'm going money line the uh the forty nine.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Hell yeah, var although that that actually you can't really
do that because I guess it's fine.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You can do it whatever you want. It's the spread,
but you do it against the spirit you do you.
I mean, take the three points, but if you don't
want to, I'll take the three.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Points sticks picks.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
But I'm going to money line them. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It's my favorite proper sticks picks.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Damn, damn. Oh what else? We are brute? Okay.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
So the Eagles are taking on the Rams in LA
and the Eagles are two and a half point favorites.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
All the line dropped. The Eagles are Rams in La.
Oh I wanted the three Eagles as well. I'm laying
the points. I'll take the Rams anyways. I think they
went out right. Dang, I don't take the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
And the last one is like the like the Harball Brothers,
like Super Bowl kind of thing. The Ravens are playing
the Chargers. Baltimore is favored by two and a half
in La.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, I'm going to take the Ravens. To cover.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Give me the chargers, I'll take. Give me the points
and the chargers. Big Brother got Lamar's number back. He's
going to big Brother and
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