December 5, 2024 • 39 mins
The guys preview TNF between the Packers and Lions. NFL Insider for TheMMQB, Albert Breer stops by for his weekly visit. Plus, a holiday party edition of Lee’s Leftovers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox, and you accept it's
not Brady Quinn, It's just LeVar and I. Brady is
in root for Fox's coverage coming up on a special
Friday edition of the game, so we will not hear
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from Brady Quinn the rest of the show. Difficult travels
out there when you're trying to get to the Mountain
West Championship all the way in Boise, which, by the way,
is it Boise or Boise Boise? Yeah, kind of with
a C, right, that's the.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Like a Z Boysey. Yeah. I mean, I don't they
get really uptight about that too. They do see it
on your social say it right, Say it right? I
think I do say it right. Maybe you don't, Boise, Hey, Boise,
they keep pissing me off. I'll emphasize the Z even more. Boise. No,
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it's not like that.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But Ashton Gent he's a stud and he's approaching twenty
three hundred yards and thirty touchdowns on the season. So
it's been quite the year for him. And so Brady
is on his way to be on the coverage for that.
So he's got to catch flight UNLB Boise State coming
up tomorrow eight pm Eastern Time on Fox at the
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Mountains Championship game. So all of that being said, no
Brady Quinn here, but what we do have is Week
fourteen in the NFL, kicking off later on tonight. Now,
the Packers and the Lions were part of Quinn's wins.
You can go back and listen to the podcast if
you would like to see what his picks were on that.
After the shows off the air, the podcast will be posted,
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but right now, as the stands, the Detroit Lions are
a three and a half point favorite hosting the Green
Bay Packers, and again this is actually a very good game.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And what's interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
To me about this game coming up is that it
probably or potentially I should say, won't be the last
time these teams play each other, because I got a
funny feeling, oh that the Detroit Lions are going to
see one of the two at least when it comes
to the Packers or the Vikings in the postseason. And
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when that's the case and you've got to play a
team three times, anything could happen that third time you
got to run into them. It doesn't mean that all
of a sudden gives them an advantage. And it's probably
going to be at Detroit where the game will be played.
But there is a familiarity, is there not of you
knowing a team as well as you do and running
into that team in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Of course, there's a familiarity, and with familiarity there comes
a level of I would say confidence and what it
is that you know you could possibly do against your opponent.
And that's why it's generally very difficult for you know,
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divisional opponents to play against one another versus other teams
because that familiarity. It's like, I don't know, it's kind
of maybe a little difficult to explain. But going into
a game against say a running back that I've gone
up against twice a year, versus going up against a
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running back comes from a different conference that you're only
going to see this one time. You have to get
over the nerves of the unknown. When you're playing against people,
you have to get over the nerves of the unknown.
Like for a linebacker, it's like, Okay, I'm going up
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against a guy like say Lorenzo O'Neil, but he's not
in my division and I'm only seeing him this one time.
I don't really know how hard Lorenzo's going to fill
the hole. I know he know on film it looks
as though he's going to come through there and he's
going to blow up whoever is in that gap. But
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you don't know what that feels like. You can't get
a you can't get an accurate feeling of what the
flow of what a team is doing, from physicality to
quickness to speed, like I've gotten in games against teams
and I was like, oh s, like walk back to hell.
You look around like they found huh, yeah, these mother
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athletes are fast, you know what I mean? Or you
come back to the hall, you be like, hey, bruh,
this is saw Like yeah, they are, like Hi, right,
they're gonna be one of them, huh. Like yeah. But
when I know you, when we know each other, you
coming into the game, I already know how hard you hit.
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I know what your likes and your dislikes are. And
that's the same thing for the other team. They know
the same exact things. So it creates a different approach
and a different way in which you play the game.
And ultimately it's the same for the coaches. Those coaches
create book on one another. Your personality is your personality.
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So whatever it is that you really really love doing,
and that's like your staple of what it is that
you do, you're gonna do it. And so now your
task was trying to figure out how do I run
wrinkle and variations that can actually keep you from being
able to get a jump on what it is that
we're doing, whether it be offensively or defensively. So yeah,
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it's always it's always an interesting deal when you find
yourself playing against a divisional foe, especially when you have,
you know, intimate knowledge or information of what it is
that they do, like a coach leaves or a player
leaves like different things like that. I mean that that
can help, but in general, you already had it.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Like what if like a player on the other team,
you know, accidentally leaked some of the team audible audibles
and protection and they're on the team.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Or like you know, because Jamior Gibbs went on social.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Media earlier this week and I didn't realize that behind
them on the whiteboard was all the team audibles and
protection calls.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well that's a that's a costly miss. State dan Ban
Campbell down played it. But with that being said, you
can change them, like you can change audibles like that.
Let's oh my gosh, they got our snap count in
our audibles, Like come on, man, we all know that
the whole Dallas thing. Here we go, Like, okay, it's
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kind of corny, but at the same time, it's like
that's their snap count, Like you know that ball is
coming out after he finishes the here we go. Now,
it might not be the exact moment he finishes, but
everybody on that offensive line, and if you've played against
them as a divisional opponent, coming back in after playing
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a whole four quarters, here here we go, I know
I'm gonna look at the plate clock, and I'm gonna
listen to the cadence, and I know right now as
soon as I hear here we go, that ball is
coming out. So it doesn't really matter like in some
instance this is like for a long time, it was
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the colors of the American flag red, white, and blue.
So if you hear a quarterback come up and he's
like red one eight, red one eight, what number is
red representation of the American flag? What number color is it? One?
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Number one? So that means that the quarterback is telling
his offense after he's like looking at the defense. They
go through whatever their progression is, looking for the pre
snat reads of blitzes or what the coverages are. He's
telling you it's on one white, white, white, one eighty
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my favorite one white one up top white one eight,
what's the snapcount on two? There you go. So then
if they say blue, blue, blue, one eighty blue, one
a whatever, then you're anticipating that the snap count is
on three. That was that for a time. That's what
some of these and I don't know if they still
do it. Some might still do it, I don't know.
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But and then that you had the foot hike. There's
all kinds of different things. There's all kinds of little things,
little nuances, the guards slapping the sinner's ass and pointing
it out before they snap the ball. There's all kinds
of different little nuances that can give you somewhat of
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an idea of when the ball is going to be snapped. Now,
if again, back to the if I play you once
a year, am I going to necessarily trust the tendencies
that I've studied? Generally speaking, you'll wait like for me,
I would wait like I'm a test it. Like I
there's the tap that one thousand one, one thousand two,
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want a snap? Here we go, come back, here we go?
Does it again? One one thousand to snap? And I'm
in there, I'm like counting it. Like while I'm sitting
the doing everything else that I gotta do, you're counting
and you're seeing what the what the rhythm is, what's
the rhythm? Do they just disrupt the rhythm? Do they
change the rhythm or do they allow for you to
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settle into what the rhythm of the snap count is
going to be. If you get a lock on that snapcount,
you could go leap over the line. You could go
run up to the line and just keep running, just
run because you gotta you gotta, you gotta tag on it.
So for what it's worth, if if I already know,
if I already know how you're calling games because we've
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played each other for years, the same quarterback, same head coach,
same offensive coordinator, same deal that's going on, then you
may you may get it even better. And you you
might trust your tendencies and your intuition and your instincts
earlier in a game. And those are the things like
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with Dan Campbell or Lafloor or or you know, whatever
it is that's going on, you know, whoever they may
be playing. It doesn't matter that that Gibbs had the
Audibles in the background. I mean, it creates complications because
it's probably like short short notice, you're short on time.
But they're professionals, so they could switch it up if
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they need to. But the DNA of what they're going
to do is going to change, maybe the name, but
it's going to still be the DNA. It's still going
to be the personality of how they are going going
to do it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So Dan Campbell talked about Dejamier Gibbs accidental leak of
the protection calls and the audibles when he was on
the ticket in Detroit earlier.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I know what it is, but I'm like, you know what,
we might as well just put everything out there. I
don't really give a crap. I mean, if we're going
to lose because of code words, then we're not good
enough anyway. So I think we'll just post the whole
freaking player and every code word we've got, and it
doesn't matter. It's not going to hurt us, it won't
affect us, and it's all good.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Love that Matt Lafleur, who will Dan Campbell will be
seeing later on tonight. On Thursday Night Football, he discussed
the situation as well.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm sure our guys are going to sit there and
study every code word they have in their offense. I mean,
you can get this stuff from the TV copies. That's
why most teams, I would say probably every team in
the league listens to what they're putting out there as
well as what the opponent's putting out there, and you
try to piece it together. But personally, I think it's
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a little bit overrated. I mean, ultimately, he's still got
to stop whatever it is they're doing, and they're a
good football team, just like most good football teams are
going to have tendencies. I'm sure we have a lot
of tendencies too, but you've got to stop it.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Here's what we know about the matchup. We know that
the Lions have seventeen players on IR. They got a
little banged up on that Thursday game last week on
Thanksgiving against the Bears, so they've got seventeen players on IR.
We also know that both teams run the foot. They're
two of the best rushing teams in the NFL, and
they both stop the run really well, and they're both
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very good, and they're both going to the playoffs. So
this looks like we got ourselves a nice little game
going on here, with the Lions working on an eleven
game win streak and sitting atop the NFC. But because
of the success of the Packers and the Vikings, the
Lions can't really afford to like have a bad week
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because they're right on their heels both those teams and
they don't want to lose out on home field advantage
and get that buy, especially with the team being as
banged up as they are. So it looks like we
got a fun one coming up later on tonight. Yeah,
oh man, it's two good teams. North is a beast man.
That's the straight vikings you nervously. You're nervous about the
Packers later on tonight or what.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
How you feeling?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
You know, the harder the matchup, the less nervous I get. Honestly,
I worry more about losing to a bad team than
losing to a good team.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
So no, I feel confident. I feel like we're prepped.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Like you said, we're facing there a little more banged up,
We're a little more healthy. We still don't have a
ja ear like we didn't last last matchup.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I mean it's you know, it's a battle between you
and Chris Purffett here, so you gotta be careful.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'll take that. These days those battles go, so gotta
I gotta be careful them lions be dropping.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
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Speaker 2 (15:50):
We'll just let you have.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It first, what the hell happened in Columbus, because we
do have it on good authority that you were being
harassed by one Brady Quinn before the game.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Sit mush, Yeah he did. What are you saying said?
I was a mush. I'm not sure what that means.
He was.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You're the reason that they were struggling.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Oh oh yeah, yeah. He he gave me increasing attention
over the course of the game. I don't know if
he was I don't know if he was trying to,
uh to rub it in or if he was trying
to come to my aid. It was kind of hard.
I was in a fog there in the fourth quarter. Yeah,
that was awful. That was awful. That was had a
great had had a great day, you know, to begin with,
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flew in flight, was on time. Buddy picks me up
at the airport. My buddy Reagan. Uh, we could go
back to his house. His lovely wife, Kelly, gives us
a ride over, get to see his son Chase. Kelly
gets ride over. The tailgate shot out of the tailgate
performed pretty well there for a couple of hours. Get
to the stadium, seats are great and uh and then
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the game started.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So yeah, where somehow and now Michigan probably has two
players on their that like on that field, Michigan.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Probably had two players who would start at Ohio State, right,
probably two players that would start at Ohio State, And
somehow the game plan was to run right at those
two guys. So yeah, I trust me. I've had to
reckon with it over the last Where where does that run?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Where does that rank for most difficult or frustrating losses?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
As an Ohio State a Lumber fan?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You know, I like it's just so weird now because
we're still going to the playoff, you know, like I
don't know, I mean, I don't know, LeVar, like you
probably like relate with this too, like it's it just
it doesn't it's like still sucks the same way in
the moment, and this one sucked for a couple of
days after. I've just got too many Michigan people in
my life, like my family. You know, I'm in Detroit now,
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you know, I went to my cousin's house last last night,
and you know, like last week. I would have told
you it would have been like I would have been
like having a parade over there, and uh, it wasn't
that way. So I would say, like it still hurts
in the moment, but then it's like, well, you know,
now you get another chance to redeem yourself, which in
the past, and college football wasn't the case. Right, Like
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in the past and college football like it was one
game and there's no guarantee of anything after that, and
it's not that way anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
It could be the best thing that happened to you, guys.
Get your loss out of the way. Now. You know.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
That's weird, right, But like I think it like can
sometimes can be a wake up call, like we can't
play that way, you know what I mean. I don't know,
you know, it's like it's like the strength of the
team is the receivers and you need to throw it
to him. And maybe if you win that game, it's weird,
but like maybe if you win that game seventeen thirteen,
still you don't learn that, right, you don't learn that lot,
you know what I mean. And it's like, oh, well,
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we were just tougher, like well yeah, but you still
have like three first round picks a receiver, So why
ain't throwing to them now? Like you sort of have
to face that question.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You know, Abe, I got to know.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So when we spoke to you last Friday, it was
right as the move was being made the Bears firing
Matt Ebrafleu. What are you hearing about their pursuit of
potential coaches. It feels like Thomas Brown is going to
get a real shot. But what do you hear about
who they may be targeting.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Well, they're impressed with the job that Thomas Brown. Did
you know it's Kleven with the offenses. They do want
to give him some real run and that you know
the reality of that, Like that doesn't really cost them anything, right,
Like they can just they just like see how that
goes and see how he adapts. And it's a big
challenge for him. Of course, if you if you look
like over the last month, he's gone from past game coordinator,
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which you know, if you're the passing coordinator, you don't
even really have your own position group that you're that
you're running, you know what I mean, Like you're important,
but you're not You're not really in charge of much.
And like as far as just people, and then you
go to being offensive coordinator now to head coach. So
you know, that's a that's a that's a that's a
big jump from one to the next to the next.
And so like they'll get a very real look at
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how he handles it. And you know, I think one
thing that one thing that I think is interesting about
him is just like everybody's been around him says he's
got the personality to be head coach, right, and so
like the question is is he ready to do it?
And now he's being thrust into that role where he's
going to have to manage all those things. So it'll
be interesting to see and I do think like he
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has some qualities that you would want in your head coach,
Like I think the Bears, you know, as much as
there's going to be like a focus on like yeah,
like let's find somebody to coach Caleb Williams. I don't know.
I look at that franchise over the last fifteen years
and it's like I almost feel like that's the last
thing they should be focused on, you know what I mean.
Like I think it's not to say it's not important. Obviously,
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it's important to develop the quarterback but it's like when
you've got like these deep rooted problems, like you should
not be focused on developing one player, you know, you
need to be looking at the big picture of things.
At least that's the way that I see it, you know.
And if you can find a guy who can do both, great,
But yeah, Thomas Brown's going to get a look at it.
And you know, I think that the next question is,
like how much are they willing to change or adapt
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the way they're set up now to sit whoever the
next head coach is, because I do think that that's
going to have an effect on which type of a
head coach they can attract to that job because they're
not there's a perception about the way that organization runs
it has run for the last ten to fifteen years,
that they're going to be battling. So if they're not
willing to make some concessions on the way they're set up, well,
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then that's going to drive some coaching candidates away.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Abe. As the season begins to wind down and the
games continue to matter the most to those teams that
are pushing for the playoffs, there's a team in particular
that's trending up positively, which is the Eagles. But yet
you look around and all of the media outlets are
leaning into this narrative of the conversations of Nick Sirianni.
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Why is he such a hot button topic in terms
of his job security win for me? Seemingly, I mean,
he should be in consideration for Coach of the Year alone.
Be wondering if he's going to get fire from his job.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Because the NFC East is like the SEC when it
comes to the coaching job security, Like it's unbelievable if
you think about it, right like, and not to say
like that Mike McCarthy deserves to be cut like a
huge break here, but he did win twelve games three
years in a row, right like, And coming into this
year his job was on the line. Like how many
places would you say that that would be the case
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other than Dallas, right, New York obviously, like we know
where Dave Ball is and you know the temperature rising
there and then Philly. I mean, if you look at
Sirianni's resume, he inherited a four win team, right, so
he inherit the four win team he's making. He's he's
leading a change of quarterbacks, so they're trading Carson Wentz.
They're bringing in jail On Hurts, which we didn't know
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what that was going to become of that at that
point in time. In twenty one, he makes the playoffs
in the year one, he gets the super Bowl in
year two. In year three, they start out what was
at nine and one, and then like things sort of
come on on on him at the end and all
of a sudden, his jobs on the line. He made
the playoffs three years in a row, got to the
super Bowl, developed a quarterback. Like you know, it's just
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it's crazy to sort of think, like how many cities
would would would have got that his job beyond the
line going into year four, and yet here they are
here they were coming into the year, and I think
he's done a great job handling it. Like I think
one of the things that like, like I even like
admit that I probably got wrong was like some people question, like,
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you know, is he right for Philly, And you know,
you had the press conference at the beginning, yelling at
the fan earlier this year and all of that. Well,
like I actually have come to think that he's perfect
for Philly because he doesn't give a crap, you know what,
I mean like and like I think that there's this
like kind of like defiant like I am who I am,
you know, and that's it. And I sort of think
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you like need that hard shell to coach in a
place like that, you know what I mean, like where
you really don't you really don't care what what what?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
What?
Speaker 7 (23:57):
What? What the outside world thinks? You know. So I think,
you know, I've sort of gone from like is he
the right guy to coach in that city? Now like
I think he's sort of got the perfect mentality for it.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Just it's almost like winning doesn't matter. Wait what like
like that's the whole goal and all he does is
win games there. That's why the whole conversations was weird
to me before the season, and it's weird to me now,
Like he's like twenty five games over five hundred, Like
that's got.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
To count for nineteen or something.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, like what do we like And it's like, well,
if we're not talking like he's been one and done
in the playoffs, you could argue they should have beaten
the Chiefs in that super Bowl, like they went to
a super Bowl, Like I just that one's that one
you look at.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
That it's like you have beat by an all time
great you know what I mean. Like that's like, that's
like losing the Brady back in the day. It's like
you obviously would rather win than lose, but if your
loss is coming to that guy in the super Bowl,
sometimes it's just like, well that's just the lake goes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on
the subject of McCarthy, Like we were kind of kicking
this around yesterday, Jerry Jones threw this out there, Well,
it wouldn't be the craziest idea to get him an extension.
Do you think he's back, because I hope he's back.
I love the way he's handled this year to where
he's just kind of laughed off all the Jerry Jones
interviews and comments about the offense. But like, if say
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Belichick doesn't want to be a part of it, and
you start really, you know, narrowing down candidates because they
want to go elsewhere, I find it hard to believe
that you would find somebody better than Mike McCarthy to
take that job.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Yeah, And I mean that's always that's always what's going
to be the question coming into the year when they
decided not to extend him. And that's what's tricky about it,
you know, is that like if you're them, you can't
just like say like okay, like let's try it for
another year. You have to negotiate a whole new contract
with him, which means you're recommitting to him, right, and
which means it's like this isn't just for the here
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and the now, it's for two or three years. Because
I think like if he had if he hadn't, I
would look at this differently. If he had, like a
if he was if he had been extended like a
couple of years ago, Like let's say they extend him
after the twenty two season, and now he's under contract
through like twenty twenty seven, I'd probably look at this
a lot differently. I'd be like, yeah, he's handled this
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really well, and like it's like a horrific situation just
as far as like the injuries and then the adjustments
on defense, and like he's like sort of managed this
to a point where like, I mean, you look at
like against this against like some other teams in the
way that some other teams have circled the drain, Like
his guys are still fighting, you know, so like I'm
(26:35):
with you like that, Like if he was on an
existing contract in the next year, like I think it
would be like fifty to fifty maybe better than that
that he's back, and you know what complicates it now
is like having to do a whole new contract with him.
And you're right, like I don't know, Like when they
moved on from Wade Phillips in two thousand and in
(26:57):
twenty ten, like they knew who the next head coach
was going to be, you know what I mean, Like
they knew, like we've groomed Jason Garrett, like this is
our guy. We're going with Jason Garrett, right, like they
it's not like there's somebody there for them this time
around where it's like, yeah, there's the obvious tech, go
get them, you know, unless maybe a Selichick. But I
just I don't know. I'm feel like that, like this
(27:17):
thing I think has gotten a little bit more complicated
because I do think McCarthy has done like an admirable
job getting the team where it needs to be in
a really weird situation.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
There's going to be quite a few coaching I think
it might be a pretty high level or a pretty
high number of coaching opportunities, including possibly in Dallas. But
when you hear a person a high up in an
(27:50):
organization like the Bears come out and say their job
will be the most coveted job to get as a
head coach, is that do you buy that?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, I didn't either, but give me.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I mean, I think LeVar, I just think like so,
I mean like part of the issue like to me
is like is like you look at like and again
like I think, like it's easy to look at a
roster and say, like, yeah, there's a lot to work
with there, and I think there there is, there's a
good based a talent in Chicago. But then I think
you got to look at the history of ownership because
(28:27):
that's the ones that you can't change, and like where
have coaches there before had trouble? And like, okay, like
am I going to be able to set it up
the way that I want to set it up? And
you know, I think like you can judge the attractiveness
of these jobs by like like are you turning off
certain factions of coaches but with some element of your
operation And like I do think for the Bears, the
(28:50):
trouble is like if you're a mic Rabel, you're a
Bill Belichick who I both think like would be would
would would have interest in that job? Like do you
look at it and say, well, like do I have
to come in and work for Ryan Poles? Is the
is the reporting structure going to be the same? How
much of us, say, am I going to have in personnel?
Like there are all of these unanswered questions where it's
(29:13):
just you know, you're are you are you going in
with a chance to build something the way you want
to build it? Or are you inheriting the old problems
that Matt Eberfluss had to deal with, you know what
I mean? Like so like I think that that's the
one thing that's difficult. It's like when when you when
you go through these half measures and you're you're firing
one guy but not the other guy, and then like
(29:33):
a lot of like other facts the organization are staying
the same, Like what are you really doing? Are you
confirming that like what you were doing before was right
and this one person was the problem. And then if
you're a coach looking at different jobs, is it attractive
to walk into that where it's like all right, these
people already think they were right about what they were
doing the last few years, even though they haven't made
(29:55):
the playoffs, you know, in the last four years. Like
is there like like am I going to be able
to overcome the problems of the coach before me? Face? Like,
I think that's the trouble with it.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio, Abe,
do you because I've seen some people kind of kick
this around. And then obviously Florio started back up when
he was talking about, you know, should the Bears call
the Niners about, you know, a trade for Kyle Shanahan.
But there was you know, there's stuff that was out
there about you know, has it run its course? So
on and so forth. Do you buy that that maybe
(30:33):
we could see a change when it comes to the
head coach in San Francisco one way or the other.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Not really, I think the Niners really like the way
they're set up. I think there's like a lot of
smart people in place. I think Kyle has the run
of the place, has like things like in a way
where he can have a major say in personnel, where
the teams be shaped in in the way that that
(31:02):
he wants it shaped. He's got smart people there that
he respects, that he works with that are outside the
coaching staff. So I just I have a hard time
seeing where like San Francisco would move on from that,
or like where where Kyle would say, yeah, like I
want to pull up stakes and get the hell out
of here, And there's there's greener grass somewhere else. Now
(31:26):
maybe it's you know, like if you look in Chicago,
his dad's from there, you know, like he it's it's
an iconic franchise, there's a quarterback there. But maybe there'd
be some interest. But I think overall, like San Francisco's
got a lot of the things that like and remember,
Chicago to get him would also probably have to blow
up a lot of things, just as far as the
way they're structured. But but I think overall, like San Francisco,
(31:49):
it's probably still like the best situation for him. But
that doesn't mean if I'm not if I'm another team,
I wouldn't I wouldn't be calling like I think it's
I think it makes all the same and the world,
especially for these teams, the Bears, the Saints, the Jets
like who have like given themselves like this extra runway
to look I think it makes all the sense in
the world for those teams to call anyone. I mean, shoot,
(32:12):
call the Steelers. I'm like, Comlin, you know what I mean,
Like like I like, I would like I call the
call the Ravens on John Harbaugh, you know, like I
I I I don't see the harm in doing that
if you're if you're a team that's looking you know,
because you never do think.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
It could harm the relationship though, Like to me, yeah,
you do that with the Ravens or or like some
of the names you just mentioned, but they're having success,
so it's like it's like we threw it out there,
like it's no Like I know, I'm secure, you know,
if I'm if I'm a horrball. But but if it
is Kyle Shanahan, you know, after a season like this,
(32:47):
I need to feel supported, right, Like I need to
know like hey, John, like, hey guys, we're we're still
on the same page, right, Like what do you mean
out there?
Speaker 7 (32:56):
I know what I'm saying, but I'm saying, if you're
one of those other teams, okay, call.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Okay, if you're one of those other.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Teams them, Okay, I get calling about that, calling about that,
like call, call the owner owner, you know what I mean.
The owner calls their owner like, hey, like, we know
this is out of left field. We know this is
probably a no. But would you have any interest? Like,
would there be any interest in doing it? Coach? I mean,
I just think like I you know, I think like
(33:25):
it's just you have to look at some of the
guys who've been in single places for a long time
where it's like would you ever need a change? Scene?
And these questions have come up with Harbor and Tomlin
because those guys have been in those places for so long.
Harbaugh's what in seventeen years in Baltimore and Tomlin's at
eighteen years in Pittsburgh. You know, like so like it
can't harm that, It can't doesn't harm anything for an
(33:48):
owner to call another owner to make that call and
say like, look like like we know this is probably
a no. But like I kicked myself, I didn't ask,
and so like would this at all be possible? You
know likelihood it would probably be a know and hang
up the phone, and that's that. But what happens if
something happens in three or four weeks, like where you know,
maybe they change their perspective. Well, now like if there
(34:11):
were a conversation to have, they would call you back,
you know. So I don't think that there's any harm
in that, and I think that could that should be
a part of just being very thorough and what you're
doing when you're looking for a new coach.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Ab we got less than thirty seconds. Are you going
to throw your support behind Penn State? Just do it
for the old big ten as opposed to.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah big, I'm a big timpier and you got me corner.
I do like Dan Landing a lot. But yeah, but
but yeah, but yeah, I think I'll be interested to
see how you guys play. Got an Ohio boy out
there quarterback, We'll see how I plays in that.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh there you go. So there's the sneak take credit. Okay, yeah, Albert.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Brer, you'll see him later on tonight on Amazon's NFL
on frime coverage.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Hey a, lev are the best best ten stafe teams
have always had, Ohio guy.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I mean John Carter diced them boys up the last
time we saw them. So I'm with you there.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
I've had I've had to hear those revenge storylines a lot.
Trust me. I thought I thought Alan might be edishing
one of them out that he hasn't yet, but I
know me. We'll see what happens on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
A B.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
We appreciate it, and we'll watch you later on tonight.
All right, than there is Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB and part of Amazon's
NFL on Prime coverage, which we'll feature the Lions and
the Packers later on tonight.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Get them on ex at Albert Breer. It is Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Up next, we close up shop with Lee's leftovers, a
special holiday party edition right here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
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Speaker 1 (35:56):
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Sports nine ninety.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I know about Christmas time and snow. They all know, no,
but no snow. Fox Sports nine ninety are friends out
there if you want.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, yeah, if you walk down y Ki Ki there's
a Christmas like a special Christmas store that's open year
round and they've got bad ass Christmas ornaments.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No snow player telling you man, no snow telling you,
no snow.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Player depends on whose uh see I can respect? Depends
depends on whose coffee table here.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Okay, let's finish the segments.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
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do want to let you go coffee shortly after the
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Speaker 6 (37:05):
These might smell a little so incredible, but they're still good.
Time to find out what's lack.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It's Lee's lapsed, Lee's leftovers sound effects, I would assume, right,
we just got to hear his lea.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Is more disgusting by that than my usual sounds and smells.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
That's really not true. They're all disgusting. That's just added
to you. You wanted to downplay how disgusting that is.
It's nasty? Is it nasty? Lorena? You're right up on it.
Does it gross you out? I can tell when he's
scratching his throat and when he's looviing. So he's scratching.
(37:46):
That's ridiculous, And that tells me all I need to
know about Lorena as well, Like you put yourself in
a different category of person now scratching throat versus that
is not scratching your throat. That is, it's trying to
clear your throat. It's something that you feel like, is like,
you know, choking you or tickling your throat.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
It's mucus. Okay, look it up. Well, I don't want
to ruin anybody else's breakfast.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm sorry. What we got? Well later to the animal?
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Yeah, well, something to maybe help that throat is, uh,
you know, maybe a drink at.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
The holiday party.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
We got a holiday you know, office holiday party tonight.
Uh so if you do's and don't you know, obviously
they hand out some drink tickets.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I'm wondering if you guys are gonna be there. I
doubt you will.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
But if I didn't get an invite, So okay, if
somebody gives you an extra ticket, is it a good
or bad etiquette to uh partake with an extra drink ticket.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Why not.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, they gave it to you at the holiday party.
Get after it a little bit. There you go.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
The problem is the holiday parties are really convenient for
just about every other time slot except for ours on
the network.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
That's true unless you're a pro at it, like like Lee,
just go ahead and rock with it.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Like I'm filling in on the blow torch five seventy
later and then I'm filling in on a blow to
Well I am, you know, I mean, my guy Fred
Rogan are going to be.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Me and Fred Rogan. I want to do to blow tour,
going to be clanging and banging, But I just.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's it's when you do this timeslot you realize that
a social life during the week does not really exist.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Am I wrong? L our Uh? We really don't care
much about anything other than being able to get enough
sleep to get up and correct, be coherent and and
be you know, good with our thoughts.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Hey, you guys gonna be at the holiday party, your holidays.
I'm just trying to catch a nap, you know, a
good night
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here, Fox Sports Radio,
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Friday edition of the game, so we will not hear
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from Brady Quinn the rest of the show. Difficult travels
out there when you're trying to get to the Mountain
West Championship all the way in Boise, which, by the way,
is it Boise or Boise Boise? Yeah, kind of with
a C, right, that's the.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Like a Z Boysey. Yeah. I mean, I don't they
get really uptight about that too. They do see it
on your social say it right, Say it right? I
think I do say it right. Maybe you don't, Boise, Hey, Boise,
they keep pissing me off. I'll emphasize the Z even more. Boise. No,
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it's not like that.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But Ashton Gent he's a stud and he's approaching twenty
three hundred yards and thirty touchdowns on the season. So
it's been quite the year for him. And so Brady
is on his way to be on the coverage for that.
So he's got to catch flight UNLB Boise State coming
up tomorrow eight pm Eastern Time on Fox at the
(01:59):
Mountains Championship game. So all of that being said, no
Brady Quinn here, but what we do have is Week
fourteen in the NFL, kicking off later on tonight. Now,
the Packers and the Lions were part of Quinn's wins.
You can go back and listen to the podcast if
you would like to see what his picks were on that.
After the shows off the air, the podcast will be posted,
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but right now, as the stands, the Detroit Lions are
a three and a half point favorite hosting the Green
Bay Packers, and again this is actually a very good game.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And what's interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
To me about this game coming up is that it
probably or potentially I should say, won't be the last
time these teams play each other, because I got a
funny feeling, oh that the Detroit Lions are going to
see one of the two at least when it comes
to the Packers or the Vikings in the postseason. And
(02:55):
when that's the case and you've got to play a
team three times, anything could happen that third time you
got to run into them. It doesn't mean that all
of a sudden gives them an advantage. And it's probably
going to be at Detroit where the game will be played.
But there is a familiarity, is there not of you
knowing a team as well as you do and running
into that team in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Of course, there's a familiarity, and with familiarity there comes
a level of I would say confidence and what it
is that you know you could possibly do against your opponent.
And that's why it's generally very difficult for you know,
(03:38):
divisional opponents to play against one another versus other teams
because that familiarity. It's like, I don't know, it's kind
of maybe a little difficult to explain. But going into
a game against say a running back that I've gone
up against twice a year, versus going up against a
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running back comes from a different conference that you're only
going to see this one time. You have to get
over the nerves of the unknown. When you're playing against people,
you have to get over the nerves of the unknown.
Like for a linebacker, it's like, Okay, I'm going up
(04:19):
against a guy like say Lorenzo O'Neil, but he's not
in my division and I'm only seeing him this one time.
I don't really know how hard Lorenzo's going to fill
the hole. I know he know on film it looks
as though he's going to come through there and he's
going to blow up whoever is in that gap. But
(04:39):
you don't know what that feels like. You can't get
a you can't get an accurate feeling of what the
flow of what a team is doing, from physicality to
quickness to speed, like I've gotten in games against teams
and I was like, oh s, like walk back to hell.
You look around like they found huh, yeah, these mother
(05:03):
athletes are fast, you know what I mean? Or you
come back to the hall, you be like, hey, bruh,
this is saw Like yeah, they are, like Hi, right,
they're gonna be one of them, huh. Like yeah. But
when I know you, when we know each other, you
coming into the game, I already know how hard you hit.
(05:24):
I know what your likes and your dislikes are. And
that's the same thing for the other team. They know
the same exact things. So it creates a different approach
and a different way in which you play the game.
And ultimately it's the same for the coaches. Those coaches
create book on one another. Your personality is your personality.
(05:47):
So whatever it is that you really really love doing,
and that's like your staple of what it is that
you do, you're gonna do it. And so now your
task was trying to figure out how do I run
wrinkle and variations that can actually keep you from being
able to get a jump on what it is that
we're doing, whether it be offensively or defensively. So yeah,
(06:11):
it's always it's always an interesting deal when you find
yourself playing against a divisional foe, especially when you have,
you know, intimate knowledge or information of what it is
that they do, like a coach leaves or a player
leaves like different things like that. I mean that that
can help, but in general, you already had it.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Like what if like a player on the other team,
you know, accidentally leaked some of the team audible audibles
and protection and they're on the team.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Or like you know, because Jamior Gibbs went on social.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Media earlier this week and I didn't realize that behind
them on the whiteboard was all the team audibles and
protection calls.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well that's a that's a costly miss. State dan Ban
Campbell down played it. But with that being said, you
can change them, like you can change audibles like that.
Let's oh my gosh, they got our snap count in
our audibles, Like come on, man, we all know that
the whole Dallas thing. Here we go, Like, okay, it's
(07:20):
kind of corny, but at the same time, it's like
that's their snap count, Like you know that ball is
coming out after he finishes the here we go. Now,
it might not be the exact moment he finishes, but
everybody on that offensive line, and if you've played against
them as a divisional opponent, coming back in after playing
(07:41):
a whole four quarters, here here we go, I know
I'm gonna look at the plate clock, and I'm gonna
listen to the cadence, and I know right now as
soon as I hear here we go, that ball is
coming out. So it doesn't really matter like in some
instance this is like for a long time, it was
(08:01):
the colors of the American flag red, white, and blue.
So if you hear a quarterback come up and he's
like red one eight, red one eight, what number is
red representation of the American flag? What number color is it? One?
(08:22):
Number one? So that means that the quarterback is telling
his offense after he's like looking at the defense. They
go through whatever their progression is, looking for the pre
snat reads of blitzes or what the coverages are. He's
telling you it's on one white, white, white, one eighty
(08:43):
my favorite one white one up top white one eight,
what's the snapcount on two? There you go. So then
if they say blue, blue, blue, one eighty blue, one
a whatever, then you're anticipating that the snap count is
on three. That was that for a time. That's what
some of these and I don't know if they still
do it. Some might still do it, I don't know.
(09:05):
But and then that you had the foot hike. There's
all kinds of different things. There's all kinds of little things,
little nuances, the guards slapping the sinner's ass and pointing
it out before they snap the ball. There's all kinds
of different little nuances that can give you somewhat of
(09:26):
an idea of when the ball is going to be snapped. Now,
if again, back to the if I play you once
a year, am I going to necessarily trust the tendencies
that I've studied? Generally speaking, you'll wait like for me,
I would wait like I'm a test it. Like I
there's the tap that one thousand one, one thousand two,
(09:50):
want a snap? Here we go, come back, here we go?
Does it again? One one thousand to snap? And I'm
in there, I'm like counting it. Like while I'm sitting
the doing everything else that I gotta do, you're counting
and you're seeing what the what the rhythm is, what's
the rhythm? Do they just disrupt the rhythm? Do they
change the rhythm or do they allow for you to
(10:12):
settle into what the rhythm of the snap count is
going to be. If you get a lock on that snapcount,
you could go leap over the line. You could go
run up to the line and just keep running, just
run because you gotta you gotta, you gotta tag on it.
So for what it's worth, if if I already know,
if I already know how you're calling games because we've
(10:34):
played each other for years, the same quarterback, same head coach,
same offensive coordinator, same deal that's going on, then you
may you may get it even better. And you you
might trust your tendencies and your intuition and your instincts
earlier in a game. And those are the things like
(10:55):
with Dan Campbell or Lafloor or or you know, whatever
it is that's going on, you know, whoever they may
be playing. It doesn't matter that that Gibbs had the
Audibles in the background. I mean, it creates complications because
it's probably like short short notice, you're short on time.
But they're professionals, so they could switch it up if
(11:17):
they need to. But the DNA of what they're going
to do is going to change, maybe the name, but
it's going to still be the DNA. It's still going
to be the personality of how they are going going
to do it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So Dan Campbell talked about Dejamier Gibbs accidental leak of
the protection calls and the audibles when he was on
the ticket in Detroit earlier.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I know what it is, but I'm like, you know what,
we might as well just put everything out there. I
don't really give a crap. I mean, if we're going
to lose because of code words, then we're not good
enough anyway. So I think we'll just post the whole
freaking player and every code word we've got, and it
doesn't matter. It's not going to hurt us, it won't
affect us, and it's all good.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Love that Matt Lafleur, who will Dan Campbell will be
seeing later on tonight. On Thursday Night Football, he discussed
the situation as well.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm sure our guys are going to sit there and
study every code word they have in their offense. I mean,
you can get this stuff from the TV copies. That's
why most teams, I would say probably every team in
the league listens to what they're putting out there as
well as what the opponent's putting out there, and you
try to piece it together. But personally, I think it's
(12:30):
a little bit overrated. I mean, ultimately, he's still got
to stop whatever it is they're doing, and they're a
good football team, just like most good football teams are
going to have tendencies. I'm sure we have a lot
of tendencies too, but you've got to stop it.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Here's what we know about the matchup. We know that
the Lions have seventeen players on IR. They got a
little banged up on that Thursday game last week on
Thanksgiving against the Bears, so they've got seventeen players on IR.
We also know that both teams run the foot. They're
two of the best rushing teams in the NFL, and
they both stop the run really well, and they're both
(13:06):
very good, and they're both going to the playoffs. So
this looks like we got ourselves a nice little game
going on here, with the Lions working on an eleven
game win streak and sitting atop the NFC. But because
of the success of the Packers and the Vikings, the
Lions can't really afford to like have a bad week
(13:27):
because they're right on their heels both those teams and
they don't want to lose out on home field advantage
and get that buy, especially with the team being as
banged up as they are. So it looks like we
got a fun one coming up later on tonight. Yeah,
oh man, it's two good teams. North is a beast man.
That's the straight vikings you nervously. You're nervous about the
Packers later on tonight or what.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
How you feeling?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
You know, the harder the matchup, the less nervous I get. Honestly,
I worry more about losing to a bad team than
losing to a good team.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
So no, I feel confident. I feel like we're prepped.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Like you said, we're facing there a little more banged up,
We're a little more healthy. We still don't have a
ja ear like we didn't last last matchup.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I mean it's you know, it's a battle between you
and Chris Purffett here, so you gotta be careful.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'll take that. These days those battles go, so gotta
I gotta be careful them lions be dropping.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
What it is two pros and a cup of Joe
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here.
Coming up next, though, we are going to hear from
a man who was harassed. All right, this is somebody
that you will be seeing later on tonight. On Thursday
Night Football, but I have it on good authority he
was harassed this past week and it involves a member
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of our show.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
We'll get into that for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 1 (15:02):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up in
we'll call it. About twenty minutes from now here from
the tairaq dot com studios, we are going to have
another edition of Lee's Leftovers. That's a special Holiday party
edition of Lee's Leftovers.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm being told so we will get into.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That for you again about twenty minutes from now here
on FSR right now. Though, this is a Thursday tradition
here on the show, except last week it was a
Friday tradition when LaVar and I were filling in on
the herd. He is Albert Breer Amazon NFL on Prime Insider.
We call him the Star of Amazon on NFL, Amazon
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NFL on Time Thursday. No, not to senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB and AB.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
We'll just let you have.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It first, what the hell happened in Columbus, because we
do have it on good authority that you were being
harassed by one Brady Quinn before the game.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Sit mush, Yeah he did. What are you saying said?
I was a mush. I'm not sure what that means.
He was.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You're the reason that they were struggling.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Oh oh yeah, yeah. He he gave me increasing attention
over the course of the game. I don't know if
he was I don't know if he was trying to,
uh to rub it in or if he was trying
to come to my aid. It was kind of hard.
I was in a fog there in the fourth quarter. Yeah,
that was awful. That was awful. That was had a
great had had a great day, you know, to begin with,
(16:33):
flew in flight, was on time. Buddy picks me up
at the airport. My buddy Reagan. Uh, we could go
back to his house. His lovely wife, Kelly, gives us
a ride over, get to see his son Chase. Kelly
gets ride over. The tailgate shot out of the tailgate
performed pretty well there for a couple of hours. Get
to the stadium, seats are great and uh and then
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the game started.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So yeah, where somehow and now Michigan probably has two
players on their that like on that field, Michigan.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Probably had two players who would start at Ohio State, right,
probably two players that would start at Ohio State, And
somehow the game plan was to run right at those
two guys. So yeah, I trust me. I've had to
reckon with it over the last Where where does that run?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Where does that rank for most difficult or frustrating losses?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
As an Ohio State a Lumber fan?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You know, I like it's just so weird now because
we're still going to the playoff, you know, like I
don't know, I mean, I don't know, LeVar, like you
probably like relate with this too, like it's it just
it doesn't it's like still sucks the same way in
the moment, and this one sucked for a couple of
days after. I've just got too many Michigan people in
my life, like my family. You know, I'm in Detroit now,
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you know, I went to my cousin's house last last night,
and you know, like last week. I would have told
you it would have been like I would have been
like having a parade over there, and uh, it wasn't
that way. So I would say, like it still hurts
in the moment, but then it's like, well, you know,
now you get another chance to redeem yourself, which in
the past, and college football wasn't the case. Right, Like
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in the past and college football like it was one
game and there's no guarantee of anything after that, and
it's not that way anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
It could be the best thing that happened to you, guys.
Get your loss out of the way. Now. You know.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
That's weird, right, But like I think it like can
sometimes can be a wake up call, like we can't
play that way, you know what I mean. I don't know,
you know, it's like it's like the strength of the
team is the receivers and you need to throw it
to him. And maybe if you win that game, it's weird,
but like maybe if you win that game seventeen thirteen,
still you don't learn that, right, you don't learn that lot,
you know what I mean. And it's like, oh, well,
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we were just tougher, like well yeah, but you still
have like three first round picks a receiver, So why
ain't throwing to them now? Like you sort of have
to face that question.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You know, Abe, I got to know.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So when we spoke to you last Friday, it was
right as the move was being made the Bears firing
Matt Ebrafleu. What are you hearing about their pursuit of
potential coaches. It feels like Thomas Brown is going to
get a real shot. But what do you hear about
who they may be targeting.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Well, they're impressed with the job that Thomas Brown. Did
you know it's Kleven with the offenses. They do want
to give him some real run and that you know
the reality of that, Like that doesn't really cost them anything, right,
Like they can just they just like see how that
goes and see how he adapts. And it's a big
challenge for him. Of course, if you if you look
like over the last month, he's gone from past game coordinator,
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which you know, if you're the passing coordinator, you don't
even really have your own position group that you're that
you're running, you know what I mean, Like you're important,
but you're not You're not really in charge of much.
And like as far as just people, and then you
go to being offensive coordinator now to head coach. So
you know, that's a that's a that's a that's a
big jump from one to the next to the next.
And so like they'll get a very real look at
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how he handles it. And you know, I think one
thing that one thing that I think is interesting about
him is just like everybody's been around him says he's
got the personality to be head coach, right, and so
like the question is is he ready to do it?
And now he's being thrust into that role where he's
going to have to manage all those things. So it'll
be interesting to see and I do think like he
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has some qualities that you would want in your head coach,
Like I think the Bears, you know, as much as
there's going to be like a focus on like yeah,
like let's find somebody to coach Caleb Williams. I don't know.
I look at that franchise over the last fifteen years
and it's like I almost feel like that's the last
thing they should be focused on, you know what I mean.
Like I think it's not to say it's not important. Obviously,
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it's important to develop the quarterback but it's like when
you've got like these deep rooted problems, like you should
not be focused on developing one player, you know, you
need to be looking at the big picture of things.
At least that's the way that I see it, you know.
And if you can find a guy who can do both, great,
But yeah, Thomas Brown's going to get a look at it.
And you know, I think that the next question is,
like how much are they willing to change or adapt
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the way they're set up now to sit whoever the
next head coach is, because I do think that that's
going to have an effect on which type of a
head coach they can attract to that job because they're
not there's a perception about the way that organization runs
it has run for the last ten to fifteen years,
that they're going to be battling. So if they're not
willing to make some concessions on the way they're set up, well,
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then that's going to drive some coaching candidates away.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Abe. As the season begins to wind down and the
games continue to matter the most to those teams that
are pushing for the playoffs, there's a team in particular
that's trending up positively, which is the Eagles. But yet
you look around and all of the media outlets are
leaning into this narrative of the conversations of Nick Sirianni.
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Why is he such a hot button topic in terms
of his job security win for me? Seemingly, I mean,
he should be in consideration for Coach of the Year alone.
Be wondering if he's going to get fire from his job.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Because the NFC East is like the SEC when it
comes to the coaching job security, Like it's unbelievable if
you think about it, right like, and not to say
like that Mike McCarthy deserves to be cut like a
huge break here, but he did win twelve games three
years in a row, right like, And coming into this
year his job was on the line. Like how many
places would you say that that would be the case
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other than Dallas, right, New York obviously, like we know
where Dave Ball is and you know the temperature rising
there and then Philly. I mean, if you look at
Sirianni's resume, he inherited a four win team, right, so
he inherit the four win team he's making. He's he's
leading a change of quarterbacks, so they're trading Carson Wentz.
They're bringing in jail On Hurts, which we didn't know
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what that was going to become of that at that
point in time. In twenty one, he makes the playoffs
in the year one, he gets the super Bowl in
year two. In year three, they start out what was
at nine and one, and then like things sort of
come on on on him at the end and all
of a sudden, his jobs on the line. He made
the playoffs three years in a row, got to the
super Bowl, developed a quarterback. Like you know, it's just
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it's crazy to sort of think, like how many cities
would would would have got that his job beyond the
line going into year four, and yet here they are
here they were coming into the year, and I think
he's done a great job handling it. Like I think
one of the things that like, like I even like
admit that I probably got wrong was like some people question, like,
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you know, is he right for Philly, And you know,
you had the press conference at the beginning, yelling at
the fan earlier this year and all of that. Well,
like I actually have come to think that he's perfect
for Philly because he doesn't give a crap, you know what,
I mean like and like I think that there's this
like kind of like defiant like I am who I am,
you know, and that's it. And I sort of think
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you like need that hard shell to coach in a
place like that, you know what I mean, like where
you really don't you really don't care what what what?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
What?
Speaker 7 (23:57):
What? What the outside world thinks? You know. So I think,
you know, I've sort of gone from like is he
the right guy to coach in that city? Now like
I think he's sort of got the perfect mentality for it.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Just it's almost like winning doesn't matter. Wait what like
like that's the whole goal and all he does is
win games there. That's why the whole conversations was weird
to me before the season, and it's weird to me now,
Like he's like twenty five games over five hundred, Like
that's got.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
To count for nineteen or something.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, like what do we like And it's like, well,
if we're not talking like he's been one and done
in the playoffs, you could argue they should have beaten
the Chiefs in that super Bowl, like they went to
a super Bowl, Like I just that one's that one
you look at.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
That it's like you have beat by an all time
great you know what I mean. Like that's like, that's
like losing the Brady back in the day. It's like
you obviously would rather win than lose, but if your
loss is coming to that guy in the super Bowl,
sometimes it's just like, well that's just the lake goes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on
the subject of McCarthy, Like we were kind of kicking
this around yesterday, Jerry Jones threw this out there, Well,
it wouldn't be the craziest idea to get him an extension.
Do you think he's back, because I hope he's back.
I love the way he's handled this year to where
he's just kind of laughed off all the Jerry Jones
interviews and comments about the offense. But like, if say
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Belichick doesn't want to be a part of it, and
you start really, you know, narrowing down candidates because they
want to go elsewhere, I find it hard to believe
that you would find somebody better than Mike McCarthy to
take that job.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Yeah, And I mean that's always that's always what's going
to be the question coming into the year when they
decided not to extend him. And that's what's tricky about it,
you know, is that like if you're them, you can't
just like say like okay, like let's try it for
another year. You have to negotiate a whole new contract
with him, which means you're recommitting to him, right, and
which means it's like this isn't just for the here
(25:51):
and the now, it's for two or three years. Because
I think like if he had if he hadn't, I
would look at this differently. If he had, like a
if he was if he had been extended like a
couple of years ago, Like let's say they extend him
after the twenty two season, and now he's under contract
through like twenty twenty seven, I'd probably look at this
a lot differently. I'd be like, yeah, he's handled this
(26:12):
really well, and like it's like a horrific situation just
as far as like the injuries and then the adjustments
on defense, and like he's like sort of managed this
to a point where like, I mean, you look at
like against this against like some other teams in the
way that some other teams have circled the drain, Like
his guys are still fighting, you know, so like I'm
(26:35):
with you like that, Like if he was on an
existing contract in the next year, like I think it
would be like fifty to fifty maybe better than that
that he's back, and you know what complicates it now
is like having to do a whole new contract with him.
And you're right, like I don't know, Like when they
moved on from Wade Phillips in two thousand and in
(26:57):
twenty ten, like they knew who the next head coach
was going to be, you know what I mean, Like
they knew, like we've groomed Jason Garrett, like this is
our guy. We're going with Jason Garrett, right, like they
it's not like there's somebody there for them this time
around where it's like, yeah, there's the obvious tech, go
get them, you know, unless maybe a Selichick. But I
just I don't know. I'm feel like that, like this
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thing I think has gotten a little bit more complicated
because I do think McCarthy has done like an admirable
job getting the team where it needs to be in
a really weird situation.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
There's going to be quite a few coaching I think
it might be a pretty high level or a pretty
high number of coaching opportunities, including possibly in Dallas. But
when you hear a person a high up in an
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organization like the Bears come out and say their job
will be the most coveted job to get as a
head coach, is that do you buy that?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, I didn't either, but give me.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I mean, I think LeVar, I just think like so,
I mean like part of the issue like to me
is like is like you look at like and again
like I think, like it's easy to look at a
roster and say, like, yeah, there's a lot to work
with there, and I think there there is, there's a
good based a talent in Chicago. But then I think
you got to look at the history of ownership because
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that's the ones that you can't change, and like where
have coaches there before had trouble? And like, okay, like
am I going to be able to set it up
the way that I want to set it up? And
you know, I think like you can judge the attractiveness
of these jobs by like like are you turning off
certain factions of coaches but with some element of your
operation And like I do think for the Bears, the
(28:50):
trouble is like if you're a mic Rabel, you're a
Bill Belichick who I both think like would be would
would would have interest in that job? Like do you
look at it and say, well, like do I have
to come in and work for Ryan Poles? Is the
is the reporting structure going to be the same? How
much of us, say, am I going to have in personnel?
Like there are all of these unanswered questions where it's
(29:13):
just you know, you're are you are you going in
with a chance to build something the way you want
to build it? Or are you inheriting the old problems
that Matt Eberfluss had to deal with, you know what
I mean? Like so like I think that that's the
one thing that's difficult. It's like when when you when
you go through these half measures and you're you're firing
one guy but not the other guy, and then like
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a lot of like other facts the organization are staying
the same, Like what are you really doing? Are you
confirming that like what you were doing before was right
and this one person was the problem. And then if
you're a coach looking at different jobs, is it attractive
to walk into that where it's like all right, these
people already think they were right about what they were
doing the last few years, even though they haven't made
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the playoffs, you know, in the last four years. Like
is there like like am I going to be able
to overcome the problems of the coach before me? Face? Like,
I think that's the trouble with it.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio, Abe,
do you because I've seen some people kind of kick
this around. And then obviously Florio started back up when
he was talking about, you know, should the Bears call
the Niners about, you know, a trade for Kyle Shanahan.
But there was you know, there's stuff that was out
there about you know, has it run its course? So
on and so forth. Do you buy that that maybe
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we could see a change when it comes to the
head coach in San Francisco one way or the other.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Not really, I think the Niners really like the way
they're set up. I think there's like a lot of
smart people in place. I think Kyle has the run
of the place, has like things like in a way
where he can have a major say in personnel, where
the teams be shaped in in the way that that
(31:02):
he wants it shaped. He's got smart people there that
he respects, that he works with that are outside the
coaching staff. So I just I have a hard time
seeing where like San Francisco would move on from that,
or like where where Kyle would say, yeah, like I
want to pull up stakes and get the hell out
of here, And there's there's greener grass somewhere else. Now
(31:26):
maybe it's you know, like if you look in Chicago,
his dad's from there, you know, like he it's it's
an iconic franchise, there's a quarterback there. But maybe there'd
be some interest. But I think overall, like San Francisco's
got a lot of the things that like and remember,
Chicago to get him would also probably have to blow
up a lot of things, just as far as the
way they're structured. But but I think overall, like San Francisco,
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it's probably still like the best situation for him. But
that doesn't mean if I'm not if I'm another team,
I wouldn't I wouldn't be calling like I think it's
I think it makes all the same and the world,
especially for these teams, the Bears, the Saints, the Jets
like who have like given themselves like this extra runway
to look I think it makes all the sense in
the world for those teams to call anyone. I mean, shoot,
(32:12):
call the Steelers. I'm like, Comlin, you know what I mean,
Like like I like, I would like I call the
call the Ravens on John Harbaugh, you know, like I
I I I don't see the harm in doing that
if you're if you're a team that's looking you know,
because you never do think.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
It could harm the relationship though, Like to me, yeah,
you do that with the Ravens or or like some
of the names you just mentioned, but they're having success,
so it's like it's like we threw it out there,
like it's no Like I know, I'm secure, you know,
if I'm if I'm a horrball. But but if it
is Kyle Shanahan, you know, after a season like this,
(32:47):
I need to feel supported, right, Like I need to
know like hey, John, like, hey guys, we're we're still
on the same page, right, Like what do you mean
out there?
Speaker 7 (32:56):
I know what I'm saying, but I'm saying, if you're
one of those other teams, okay, call.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Okay, if you're one of those other.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Teams them, Okay, I get calling about that, calling about that,
like call, call the owner owner, you know what I mean.
The owner calls their owner like, hey, like, we know
this is out of left field. We know this is
probably a no. But would you have any interest? Like,
would there be any interest in doing it? Coach? I mean,
I just think like I you know, I think like
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it's just you have to look at some of the
guys who've been in single places for a long time
where it's like would you ever need a change? Scene?
And these questions have come up with Harbor and Tomlin
because those guys have been in those places for so long.
Harbaugh's what in seventeen years in Baltimore and Tomlin's at
eighteen years in Pittsburgh. You know, like so like it
can't harm that, It can't doesn't harm anything for an
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owner to call another owner to make that call and
say like, look like like we know this is probably
a no. But like I kicked myself, I didn't ask,
and so like would this at all be possible? You
know likelihood it would probably be a know and hang
up the phone, and that's that. But what happens if
something happens in three or four weeks, like where you know,
maybe they change their perspective. Well, now like if there
(34:11):
were a conversation to have, they would call you back,
you know. So I don't think that there's any harm
in that, and I think that could that should be
a part of just being very thorough and what you're
doing when you're looking for a new coach.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Ab we got less than thirty seconds. Are you going
to throw your support behind Penn State? Just do it
for the old big ten as opposed to.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah big, I'm a big timpier and you got me corner.
I do like Dan Landing a lot. But yeah, but
but yeah, but yeah, I think I'll be interested to
see how you guys play. Got an Ohio boy out
there quarterback, We'll see how I plays in that.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh there you go. So there's the sneak take credit. Okay, yeah, Albert.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Brer, you'll see him later on tonight on Amazon's NFL
on frime coverage.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Hey a, lev are the best best ten stafe teams
have always had, Ohio guy.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I mean John Carter diced them boys up the last
time we saw them. So I'm with you there.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
I've had I've had to hear those revenge storylines a lot.
Trust me. I thought I thought Alan might be edishing
one of them out that he hasn't yet, but I
know me. We'll see what happens on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
A B.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
We appreciate it, and we'll watch you later on tonight.
All right, than there is Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB and part of Amazon's
NFL on Prime coverage, which we'll feature the Lions and
the Packers later on tonight.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Get them on ex at Albert Breer. It is Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Up next, we close up shop with Lee's leftovers, a
special holiday party edition right here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
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These might smell a little so incredible, but they're still good.
Time to find out what's lack.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It's Lee's lapsed, Lee's leftovers sound effects, I would assume, right,
we just got to hear his lea.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Is more disgusting by that than my usual sounds and smells.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
That's really not true. They're all disgusting. That's just added
to you. You wanted to downplay how disgusting that is.
It's nasty? Is it nasty? Lorena? You're right up on it.
Does it gross you out? I can tell when he's
scratching his throat and when he's looviing. So he's scratching.
(37:46):
That's ridiculous, And that tells me all I need to
know about Lorena as well, Like you put yourself in
a different category of person now scratching throat versus that
is not scratching your throat. That is, it's trying to
clear your throat. It's something that you feel like, is like,
you know, choking you or tickling your throat.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
It's mucus. Okay, look it up. Well, I don't want
to ruin anybody else's breakfast.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm sorry. What we got? Well later to the animal?
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Yeah, well, something to maybe help that throat is, uh,
you know, maybe a drink at.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
The holiday party.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
We got a holiday you know, office holiday party tonight.
Uh so if you do's and don't you know, obviously
they hand out some drink tickets.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I'm wondering if you guys are gonna be there. I
doubt you will.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
But if I didn't get an invite, So okay, if
somebody gives you an extra ticket, is it a good
or bad etiquette to uh partake with an extra drink ticket.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Why not.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, they gave it to you at the holiday party.
Get after it a little bit. There you go.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
The problem is the holiday parties are really convenient for
just about every other time slot except for ours on
the network.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
That's true unless you're a pro at it, like like Lee,
just go ahead and rock with it.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Like I'm filling in on the blow torch five seventy
later and then I'm filling in on a blow to
Well I am, you know, I mean, my guy Fred
Rogan are going to be.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Me and Fred Rogan. I want to do to blow tour,
going to be clanging and banging, But I just.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's it's when you do this timeslot you realize that
a social life during the week does not really exist.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Am I wrong? L our Uh? We really don't care
much about anything other than being able to get enough
sleep to get up and correct, be coherent and and
be you know, good with our thoughts.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Hey, you guys gonna be at the holiday party, your holidays.
I'm just trying to catch a nap, you know, a
good night
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