December 9, 2024 • 37 mins
The Chiefs win another 1-score game, but don’t chalk it up to luck. The Jets have a gene for losing. Despite winning, AJ Brown’s frustration with Jalen Hurts is boiling over. Plus, a bad slip on the FSR IR.
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buying should be. Hey, So the Kansas City Chiefs, is
it just luck at this point or or did they
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just put themselves in situations to where they're fortunate enough
to get the bounces here because it in a close game, somehow,
some way, they're just gonna make a play to stay
alive and then win it like they.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Did last Sitting and upright is definitely not something you
plant on doing.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
They were on the right hash to do it. Okay,
maybe that was has that man.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
To hit that upright like that from that right hash
to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Again. Let's see him do it again.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I don't want to say anything because there's so many
people who feel like they're the beneficiary of calls, which
you could definitely make the case they are at times.
But I think that's what comes with being a team
that's trying to be considered one of the greatest dynasties,
trying to repeat that's what comes along with it. That's
part of the baggage. Like people are always gonna look
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at them and say, oh, they get the benefit of
the doubt. They always get the calls the ball bounces
their way. Didn't we have the same conversations about the Patriots? Yeap, Like,
did we have the same conversations about any hit or
anyone who touched Tom Brady? We used to have these
same issues. It seems it was all the only one
because of spygame, the only one. I mean, there's all
the excuses that were made. They deflate the football. There's
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a tuck roll back in the day.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Said that was the dynasty. Doesn't even happen.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
If Charles Woodson's sack, strip fumble or whatever, it doesn't,
it doesn't happen.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
They went on to be successful for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So I'm just telling you that's what people said.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
It's it's weird, man, People like just can't be like, yeah,
they're really good.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Kansas City is really good. The Chargers are really good.
I'm telling you they're they're up and comers pass no Diddy.
But I think that, uh, the way this game was
played run.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Its course, hasn't it. By the way, no Diddy thing, That's.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
What I'm saying. I don't know if it's run its course.
We're just talking.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
We got the dude Busby involved again, Like here he
goes again, Harry comes, you know. So I don't know, man,
But anyway, I do know this, the Chiefs have not
run their course yet. I do think that they are now.
While I will say I don't feel as though the
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way they're winning games is possibly where you'd feel comfortable
or confident in the playoffs or even in a super
Bowl scenario, I don't feel like they're as dominant as
they maybe should be being in in position to try
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to win a third straight. But with that being said, again,
sometimes the best wins are the ugliest wins, and they've
learned how to win ugly and they've done it consistently.
So maybe the bottom line is they're learning how to
fight on their back and that could be to their
advantage as they go deeper into the season. I'm not
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sure what side it falls on. I just I'm just
curious as to why the offense has not been that impressive,
and and and I just you know, I just wonder
if if this defense can't hold up for them and
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they have to find themselves in an offensive shootout, are
they in are they in the right place to be able?
Are they in the right position to be able to
do it? That's that's what I would wonder. Like you
think about that Buffalo Bills, you know rams game yesterday.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
That was that was a shootout? Was great?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You know that that was and they both kept answering,
they both kept stepping up and answering the challenge of
putting up points. I don't know, when I was watching
that game, I was like, I don't know that Kansas
City would be able to do that against Buffalo would though,
I mean, it's possible That's what I'm saying is if
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it were to come down that became an offensive game,
would Kansas City be able to And I know that
sounds wild saying it because Patrick Mahomes is the quarterback,
So you say, in your mind, Patrick Mahomes will find
a way, but Willy will he find a way? That's
to me that's the biggest question I have in terms
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of if they're going to get a three peet, they
got to be able to get more offense circulating and generating.
If if they're going to legitimately make that type of
run again this year, there's going to be one time
there's going to be a game where their defense isn't
it is going to have to fall on them on
the offense side of the ball to win a game.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, I guess I don't doubt that quite as much.
Like they're getting healthier at the right time. He saw
Pa Checko and he kind of adds different elements to the
rushing attack. You're gonna get Hollywood brown back eventually. Worthy
still work in progress as a rookie, but the Hopkins edition.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Now like greatisition.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's elevated everyone. It's like helped open up things for Kelsey.
It's opened up things for Jujus Smith Schuster. It's it's
kind of been that high tide for them. And again,
they don't have to always like I think people play
them so different than they play a lot of other teams.
You know, it's like, don't let Patrick Mahomes a big
place like ruin the game, and they do try to
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make them earn it, like it's a lot softer shell
coverage you'll see. And last night too, it seemed like
the charges were pretty intent. I'm getting some hits on
Patrick Mahomes. I mean, that was a grueling game for
him physically to get through, and he's always up for
the challenge. But like my concern is probably more the
offensive line more than anything else, because that group last
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night I didn't think stood up.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Very well the Chargers pass rush.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So that's moving forward as I kind of look at
that the other teams they're gonna have to play up against.
I mean, Buffalo can get after the Ravens can get
after it. Pittsburgh obviously can get after it like it.
That's a problem when you talk about if they getting
a shoot out, I think what I think of is
like if they become one dimensional and he's just got
to drop back and sing the football round. If this
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O line doesn't stand up better and play better than
they did last night, they're going to struggle. Like he's
he's gonna get knocked out of some games because of
the way you know, they're rushing them, the way they're hitting.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Him right now. It's like the Super Bowl they lost
to Tampa Bay. I mean, yeah, Tom Brady won it
and the Bucks won that, and it was the COVID year.
But in that Super Bowl, like Mahomes took a beating
like I think he got him might have gotten dinged
up a little bit in that. I think he came
in with an injury as well too. Into that game.
I just look at him and I go, if they're
going to find themselves consistently in one score games like
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they have majority of this year, I'll just I'll take
my chances and take Mahomes. He's going to make a
play in that spot. And the defense has been really
the star of this team for going on two years now.
I just I don't know how you bet against him.
And they're gonna get home field advantage in the postseason.
And Buffalo with that loss yesterday, but this feels like
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it's it's probably gonna be a little bit out of reach.
So now you've got to depend on Buffalo if they
get there, to go to Kansas City and try and
win that game. And I think that's one team that
can do it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I know that, but I think it's it's still
with that being said, in the playoffs, I don't think that,
for one, the weather won't be an issue for them
to travel in the k C, which is generally that's
going to be a tough one for for a lot
of teams to travel in the k C and be
able to acclimate to that weather. That's one, and then two,
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I just think that the the feel of this this
Buffalo team this year. They stepped up on offense. Now
the defense let them down in this game. But but
give the Rams some credit, right they they they generated
so much offense. Stafford played his brains out, Cooper Cup
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and and and like I said, Puoka, they played, they
played amaze and they outgunned them. So if you're going
to say, okay, in comparison to what we just saw
last evening, if they go in and play Kansas City
in the playoffs, they can keep up with them offensively,
and I think that that's ultimately at the end of
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the day. That's that's what you want to know heading
into that big of a game, is that if we
can keep up with them on the offensive side of
the ball, if Patrick Mahomes is having a game, can
Josh Allen have the type of game where he can
stand up to what Patrick Mahomes is doing. And while
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they came out on the other side of it last night,
I don't think for two seconds that in that big
of a game that they wouldn't be able to deliver,
you know, answers to what case would be able to
do offensively against their defense, and maybe they don't have
that bad of a day defensively again as they did
last evening. I mean, that wasn't that was was wide open.
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You know, the highway tolls were shut off. They nobody
was paying tolls. So it'd be interesting to see. But
I think that that's one of the teams. You know,
I would have said the Bengals, you know, I'd say
the Ravens, you know, all cold cold weather teams. I
think that there are a few teams that could actually
travel into into Kansas City and be able to win
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Pittsburgh on Pittsburgh is one of those teams. Yeah, Pittsburgh's won,
and they'll probably play better defense too. Chances are they
play better defense.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Ye, so yeah. I mean if you're the Chargers, you
saw Herbert took a beating as well last night in
that game, and you know, they feel like they're going
to be a playoff team. And that's probably like if
you were to look how the playoffs match up, like
who wants the Chargers in the first round? I mean,
if you if you're Houston and you win the South
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and you end up with l A like that, Like
I would take the Chargers in that game.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Like there's a couple throws the man he missed in
that one and that was before the whole leg bruiser
and contusion, but the deep shot to Palmer, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I feel like that happens.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Like we talked about, you know that we were talking
about the Chiefs that they can handle a shootout.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
It's like I feel like everyone who plays the Chiefs you.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
See that, you'll see like, oh man, he missed that one,
or he missed like a big throw here there. I
don't know why, but I feel like it's always the
Chiefs who are the beneficiary of that, like that Misthrowt,
or that the other quarterback not playing as well as
he's capable of.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I mean, the ball hitting off the upright.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
It's just it's it is odd, man, things go their way.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It's just it's the that was before the win. Yeah,
like for the win.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, that's kind of I don't know, it does work
out though it's your third kicker of the year. Man,
I'm not one. I'm not a big believer of luck.
I'm not a guy that says, yep, luck was playing
a part in it. I just feel like you make
your luck. But that's as much of an argument point
against not believing in luck as as it gets. You know,
that was definitely luck was on Kansas City side.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's the the great words of Seneca, the Roman philosopher.
You know, you know what was it? What is the
preparation and opportunity when they meet? That's luck Kansas City
and they got.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Opportunities hitting, hitting upright in it, banking and bouncing through.
I would say kind of maybe s is on that
that logic.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, are we just going to gloss over the
fact that I pulled Seneca, a Roman philosopher here.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I don't even know if what you said it's true,
but by the way, I'm going to agree with side note.
So I I had the opportunity to call into Jonas's
show this.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Weekend, Nice and the main events.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I'll say this, man, Jonas did a solo show. He
knows what he's doing. You could tell he feels most
comfortable by the solo show.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I'm not trying to say this to like it for
any of the reason. I'm just saying you could tell.
I was like, oh, all right, he knows what he's doing. Well,
we could do a show without Jonas and Lee.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
By the way, I forgot, Let's get you on another time.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Slot and me and you would just try to survive,
you know, during the time slot you and Lee stay
on this time slot and we'll go take another one.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Damn, I wasn't going to free you up. I wasn't
saying it for that reason. While I was saying it
needs to.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Carry him up.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Look, he's sitting here smiling like, yeah, that's right, that's right,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I was listening to him because I had a chance,
like to listen to like what a minute or so
before I actually came on, and I was like, all right, dude,
he's he's doing his thing, man, like he this is
this is where he feels most comfortable. Like I haven't
I haven't heard that version of Jonas in a little while.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, I forgot that. I did forget to ask you
a question or get your feedback on a comment that
I made earlier in the show. So you know that
Doctor Pepper halftime challenge they do like people have now
given up and they they just do the chest pass.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Okay, first stop, it's not giving up.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I've tested this, like I went through like a lengthy
test of it. It's quicker to do. It's way quicker. Like,
there's so many factors you have to play in there.
The first is if you're trying to grip the ball,
they're slick because they're kind of newish, and it takes
longer to try to find the laces. So if you
don't want to try to find the laces you're throwing it,
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you're gonna be throwing it a more inaccurate ball. Okay,
if you're if you want to go with a throwing form,
if you want to do like the push pass thing,
it's way easier, way more accurate. If you've probably got
more experience doing a push pass of sorts than you
would throwing a football in your life, most likely.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
My thought was, if my son won a scholarship doing
chest passes.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
What I would do.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
What I would do as a good parent is playing
drugs in his dorm. That's what I would do and
have kicked out of school. You will not come back.
So this is Jonas, and I forgot to present that
to you on Saturday, so I wanted to get that
in today if we could.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I I saw one that I had not seen before,
which I thought was pretty innovative. Was the dude took
two balls and it was like he reloaded. It was
almost like having like a shotgun where you've got like
the over under where he kind of would pushed past
the right, quickly switched to the left.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
He was money.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
This kid beat the crap out of the other I
think he was going up against a girl, but I
think he hit like sixteen or seventeen of them, and like,
it's not easy to do, especially on that stage, not
as much experience.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, well, listen, good for him. Not in my household.
That won't happened. No, no show back up here, dropping
down better get you take your ass back to Tijuana, buddy,
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
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Speaker 5 (15:55):
Taken the gain for scholarship. Don't even lie.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
That's correct, all right? So coming up next here we
are going to talk about how there's a team in
the NFL that's very good, yet for some reason, their
superstars are not happy. That's yours right here on this job.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
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Speaker 3 (16:27):
What's wrong? You're over the Christmas music already? No, look
a little over a weekend. I know, it just sounds
so different from regular music. No, that wasn't why side though,
I was watching that the highlights of the Jets. Wow,
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they can't buy a win man, Brokay, can't buy one.
Can't buy one, not on discount, not for free. By
the way, hey leader, we have the okay, so we
do have some Garrett Wilson sound post game and it
sounds like he's reiterating what LeVar tried to warn us
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about going into the season when we were very bullish
on the Jets winning the division. Here was Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Losing period sucks, and when you're up in the fourth quarter,
all of a sudden, it starts to feel like you
have a losing problem.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's that you have like.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
A a gene or something. So it's not like we're
just going out there and getting our butt beat from
start to finish, you know. No, No, we have a
chance to go win the game. We're supposed to win
the game in our favorite We're finding a way to
lose the game. So it's just frustrating for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Is that the dysfunction, Genie you were talking about. I'm
telling you, bro.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It starts to like you start to adapt and adopt
and evolve into the environment that you're in. Yeah, and
you don't even like. The sad part of it is
is that you can know it, but you don't even
really know how much it has a hold of you.
You don't it just it's it's what you are. And
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that's just I mean, I think that that's what he's
alluding to. It's like, we know we're good enough to win,
why are we not winning? Cause it's like it's in you,
like it's it's the only people that would be able
to see it are somebody who's not in it. So
if you had somebody come to a study on that team,
they'd be able to look at what it is that
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they do, how they do it, when they're doing it,
why they're doing it, and they would be able to
do like a psychoanalysis and break down of how people
are doing what they're doing on their daily regiments, their
daily task, how people interact with one another. And if
you were to do a comparable of a healthy environment
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versus a toxic environment, it would be most likely be
like crazy find like comparisons would be ridiculous, and what
you'd see and and the differences, the staunch differences and
how things are And I'm telling you you don't know,
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you know, but you don't you don't really, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
It's hard to explain.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, I knew, what was the thing is? You know,
when you go somewhere else where, it's not like that.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Like one of the things that I would say is
playing for different teams throughout the course of my career
really opened my eyes to that, and it's and it's
hard because I feel like it's probably not relatable for
a lot of people unless you've worked for multiple employers,
Like you know, there's differences when you go there, and
oftentimes it's it's it's top down, it's the ownership. It's
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the way they treat their executives, it's the way the
executives treat work associates people underneath them, and it goes
all the way down to the bottom. It's the exact
same way enfranchises in the NFL with a sports team,
there's teams that cut corners the team that don't. There's
teams that the owner is more involved, more vocal, and
sometimes that's good, sometimes that's bad. You know, there's teams
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when they're removed from it and they let the people
who are there to do their job what they're good
at do that job. And there's some who are removed
that have people in place so end up running the
thing into the ground and they have a terrible hiring
process and they don't know how to find the right
mixture of people, or they listen to the outside noise
too much and they don't give anyone enough time. There
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are plenty of situations like that, But in relation to
the Eagles, which is the team we're just talking about,
that is not one of those organizations that is a
good organization, that is an organization that you know has
a moved on from head coaches who have won Super Bowls,
who have been to playoffs and have said, Nope, not
good enough. We got to find someone else because we
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know what we have and we know we've build on
this roster. So in this case, you know, we're talking
about different story, but I'm just saying it's for the
for the Jets themselves, it is really really hard, and
Aaron Rodgers can probably speak to it because he came
from an organization he was with forever, which is a stable,
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really really good organization, and it's probably an eye opening
experience over the this year, not last year. He saw
probably a lot of things, but not the same as
this year when he's actually playing and he's in the
middle of it and you're still not getting the results
that you want.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I mean, when you're that good and you see you
touch down on the realities that are hovering over you
and around you, bro I mean, I've looked at dudes,
well yesterday, by the way, and then.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
What that's his first I think they said that's his
first year passing game in like thirty some games.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's wild, right, and still find a way to lose,
Still find a way to lose.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I can't get right.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's a it's a wild phenomenon. But it's just it's
just what it is, man Like. I just never seen
a dysfunctional organization win. I've never seen success within dysfunction.
I've just never seen it. And I mean it's kind
of you will ask yourself like to me, I asked
myself the question if you realize that's the reputation you
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have and and yet you've built success to own a franchise,
you've built success doing business like.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Unless unless you inherited the team.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
But I mean, if you're a Woodie Johnson, I mean
you've you've done well in business to be able to
have a pro team.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
All right, Are you guys want the date of the
last time Aaron rodgerster forever three and yards? What was
December twelfth, twenty twenty one? Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
He of course it was versus the Bears for four touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And that was the last time on to be the
Bears too. By the way, what.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Do you mean? And by the way, that was on
three weeks in a row for throwing over three hundred
yards and he had ten touchdowns with no interceptions in
that span.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
They allowed the Niners to get back on track. Yeah,
I mean, there you go. Yeah, that's just what the
doctor ordered. Yeah, I know, Trent Williams, Nick, we're calling
your prescription. Go get you a dose of Chicago Bears.
You'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
And they're fixed. They're fixed, reflush is gone, they're good.
Everything's fine and a problem at all.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's sad that his his performance got wasted in the Ale.
Speaking of Aaron Rodgers, I mean, dang, that's it. I
mean he did, he was throwing the ball, did look
like they could win the game, that they were in
position to win the game. They just didn't win the game.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And what's aj Brown's problem all right with Philadelphia? Like
he just can't be happy. Didn't he redo his deal
or get more money this offseason? They paid Davante Smith,
Like it feels like, you know, people have been paid.
The quarterback was paid and they're in contention for the
one seed. They struggle a little bit yesterday against Carolina,
and then afterwards, AJ Brown was asked, you know what
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sort of is the issue because DeVante Smith kind of
pointed out that listen, you know, when you're only throwing
the ball twenty times a game, it's hard to get
into a rhythm from a passing standpoint in the passing game.
So AJ Brown, talking with the media, had this to say,
what are some.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Things you think they that the offense needs to improve
on back passing?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And DeVante is applogy.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
You know, receivers, just like running backs, want to get
in rhythm. How hard is it as a receiver to
get into a rhythm when you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Only throwing about pointy time incredibly So it seemed like
there was a moment on the sideline when you threw
your helmet into the bench.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
What prompted that reaction during that? So they're not even happy.
Here's what I don't get about.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
This is it's not like this season's been a dramatic
change for what his career has been receiving. I mean,
since he's gotten to Philly, he's averaged somewhere over eighty
yards every game. That's his average, eighty eight, about eighty six,
about eighty four is what he's averaging this year, and
so his past game, like he had four targets, four
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catches for over forty yards. I mean it's touchdowns for
ten games to the season's got four. He cut off
Morey at seven last year, eleven the first year. But
it's like, I'm not really sure what the issue is,
Like you won the game, you didn't necessarily cover the spread,
and I don't know, maybe you had money on the game,
who knows, But I don't understand the frustration with it.
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Like this team has played really, really well since the buy.
A lot of it's been because of Saquon Barkley, and
maybe he's reason. Yeah, I mean that's the guy you're
trying to feed right now. You got paid, like, but
he's the featured play on your offense. You gotta be
okay with that.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Sometimes I might. I mean, you're you're gonna want more balls.
I never met a receiver who who caught enough balls,
had enough targets, had enough yards, never met one that
was okay with where they were at. You always want more.
That's just how receivers are wired. And if you're if
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you're not getting very many opportunities, it becomes real monotonous
to run routes and run around and do all this
stuff and you're not getting action, especially if you are
the main target, you are the main guy, it just
starts to mess with your head, like why am I
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running these routes. You're not even looking for me, You're
not throwing me the ball. I'm not getting opportunities, I'm
not scoring.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You know, would he rather be back in Tennessee?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And that's a it's a great point. I just I
just don't think that it's not as simple as saying
winning and losing as the antidote for being happy. If
you're a receiver, a top and high end receiver, a
one receiver is always going to want the ball, and
and I think that that's ultimately what it comes down to.
(27:19):
I don't think it's toxic. I didn't hear anything in
those sound bites that made me feel like it's like
it's toxic or anything like that. It's just you're if
you're not getting very many targets, you're going to have
you're going to have moments where okay, you're going to
throw your helmet down, like.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, the sound bites are one thing if you saw
is very quick.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Short one word responsible they lost if it felt like
from watching the interview like he was. He was pretty
ticked off. The interesting thing is he led the team
in receiving, like if you can't. I know, he's got
a gripe about him. Maybe, but it's like, all right, man,
like you got more yards and Simon that catches Davante.
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It wasn't like it was like someone else was getting
a lot more targets and you. I mean they threw
to Smith a little bit more. But I don't know.
It speaks to the question of, you know, Jalen hurts
to get to the playoffs, like how do we how
do we feel about him? If they were in the AFC,
it'd be a different story because there's more competition in
the NFC. Okay, we got the Lions, we've got the Vikings,
(28:29):
We're gonna have Green Bay most likely too. Outside of that,
I mean, Philly's right there with them, So I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Think the teams are dangerous man. And and he's listen
and he's putting it out there that he's upset.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I don't feel like again, I don't feel like he's
putting it out there in a way where he's creating
any issues. So if you think so, I don't feel
like he is. I mean, I feel like that's what.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
We're talking about it right now, purely because of the
way he answered the questions.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, but I still think that that's one of those
deals where it didn't it now becomes a conversation with
the offensive coaches and you start, I guess I'll put
it this wut.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
If he I mean, the initial question was like, what
do you guys need to improve on an offense? And
he said passing. He didn't say receiving, he didn't say rushing.
He said passing. That's one singular person. Like you could
try to make it like, oh, that's a lot of
things the O one and no it's not. He's that's
a shot at his quarterback. I mean, that's that's the
reality of what it is. Otherwise you'd say, like, well,
(29:29):
our passing game and I need to do a better
job of this, or like you'd elaborate on it.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
He just said.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Passing, and so that's not been It could have been encompassing,
though it could have been the offensive play calling.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
All right, Use we're not gonna agree to this, But
there was a wager of three point one million dollars
on this game, three point one money line for the
Eagles to win, and so mind you, that would have
met out four hundred and forty two thousand, which this
better ultimately one. However, that was very much a pretty
(30:00):
late in this game, as Carolina did a good job
of keeping it close, and they could have had to
go ahead touchdown catch if not for a drop. So
crazy though, like crazy that someone was willing to put
up three point one million they felt so confident Philly
would beat Carolina, which again they did.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
However, a lot.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I could I mean, I could only imagine putting up
that much money and then sweating out those final moments
of the game.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I think that the Eagles are still trending up. And
I'll say this, whether we agree or disagree on the
point of it, the best way for them to represent
themselves in the in the best form, in fashion and
manner is to make sure they get everybody on the
same page. Like the bottom line is, is the less
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pressure that that Jalen Hurts has on him in that
passing game, the better this team is going to be.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Oh, you gotta run the ball.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
If so, you really not going to chime in on
the ball ball.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I was going to say, if we get, if le
Get makes that catch and holds onto the football, there,
I would have loved nothing more than to be able
to teleport right next to that better who went public
for three point one million dollars on the Eagles money line.
I just want to watch that guy's believable, that guy's
life evaporate in front of his eyes, just to see
(31:24):
how that would have played out. Also, why is this
stuff being made public? Like like why why are.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
These I personally don't I mean, it's not like the
guy's names public, is it?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
But why why is CIRCA releasing this information? Like hey,
we're doing a big hand, like we're we're taking three entice.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
People were like sitting on the sidelines, like wait a second.
That guy just went four and forty two thousand. They're like, oh,
I'm trying to go with some money. It's like, well,
hold on, pal, if he put up three point one million,
win that.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah. And also it's.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Crazy to think though, like you would take that from
an investment standpoint, you would take that return and like
your annual was thirteen percent or whatever it is, you
take that every day of the week, every day of
the week. You would take that if you're investing into something.
The difference is like this is obviously is an investing.
This is like a short term quick landa bett to
try to make a little close to half a mil.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And that could be gone and it'll hard bit. Yeah,
that's that's the part of it.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Hey. By the way, Bryce Young and I'll say this
about Dave Canal, they play hard like they do. So
whatever the conversation was about him being hired as a
head coach after one year as the OC and Tampa
Bay like the benching of Bryce Young and him coming
back to play like he's played better and better each week.
So Carolina is they're fun. They're fun, and all those
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all those Bears're fun. Yeah, they're fun. All those Bears
fans out there that were laughing at them when the
trade got done. You're one win better than Carolina right
now at this point in the season. So put that
in your pipe and smoke it all right, Two pros
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Speaker 3 (33:57):
All right, who's got it? Was a little sore today?
What'd you do?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I was trying to do the national anthem? Surprised my
daughter walked down the bleacher steps to get to my
seat to do the national anthem, and while trying to
look at the flag and do all the things I
was doing, I slipped and like slipped like was skiing
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down the steps. I did not fall. I wobble, wobbled,
but I did not fall down. But my ankle was
pretty sore today.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And I fell back.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I fell back on you know, like kind of like
the railing that you walked down when you're going down.
We were at Stanford. No, I didn't have drinks. I
wasn't under the influence or anything like that. It was
just a real like I took a misstep because I
was trying to like calculate too many different things. Like
I knew we were surprising my daughter. I was walking
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down to see if she was going to see us
while the anthem is playing, and somebody say, well, why
weren't you stopped and waiting on the anthem. I was
just trying to get to my seat so I could
stand where I was at and finish the song because
it was already halfway through anyway, So why would I
walk in at that point? I don't know, but I did,
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and I slipped and I went I got I skied
down at least three steps, at least three It's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
And then I leaned back.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I finally got a hold of my footing and just
stood there and finished out the national anthem.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And it's sore as hell today. My left ankles really
sore today. So there you go. Wow, I'm all right.
I mean, at least she got surprised. Yeah, no, she
was happy to see us.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
There. I took my kid to Universal Studios on Friday,
and it's kind of good and bad. Uh. The bad
is he doesn't want to go on, or I guess
the good is he doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Go on any of the rides. He's not interested at all.
That good because he doesn't have to get on. You
don't have to get.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of rides, but all
he wants. Oh, I'm just I don't They're boring. Really Yeah,
I just don't get it. I've never really gotten it.
But he loves the games, like throwing the balls, shooting
the baskets. But he loves all that stuff. The problem
is all that stuff costs money.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
You're really trying to make him into this like super athlete.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Huh No, that's just what he likes to do. I'm
just saying, like you you really, you really sell us on.
I would look if you if you think I didn't,
you know, look at Wan Soto's contract and think all right,
well that's right.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Cages immediately, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Immediately, got I got home. I lefty. No, no, but
he's got a hose for an hour there.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
He keeps doing this. You always set yourself up for failure. Man,
Just love it. Just love your son, Let him be
a kid.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Love you.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Are you really trying to get him to the major though? No,
I just wouldn't be a good person. That's it. That's
all I care about. So what ended up happening? That
was it? That was the story. Well, he just when
I say hey it's time to go, we gotta go,
he cries. Well, he's so competitive that if he doesn't
win the stuffed animal, he wants to keep playing and competitors,
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just a competitor athlete, and and it costs me money.
So I'm like, look.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You probably have like a gazillion dollars. You don't spend money.
I spent it on my car.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
You so you have.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Enough money for him to play as many games as
he liked.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Can they what can they be? In pays? Why do
you play catch with your son? How about that catch
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it just luck at this point or or did they
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just put themselves in situations to where they're fortunate enough
to get the bounces here because it in a close game, somehow,
some way, they're just gonna make a play to stay
alive and then win it like they.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Did last Sitting and upright is definitely not something you
plant on doing.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
They were on the right hash to do it. Okay,
maybe that was has that man.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
To hit that upright like that from that right hash
to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Again. Let's see him do it again.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I don't want to say anything because there's so many
people who feel like they're the beneficiary of calls, which
you could definitely make the case they are at times.
But I think that's what comes with being a team
that's trying to be considered one of the greatest dynasties,
trying to repeat that's what comes along with it. That's
part of the baggage. Like people are always gonna look
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at them and say, oh, they get the benefit of
the doubt. They always get the calls the ball bounces
their way. Didn't we have the same conversations about the Patriots? Yeap, Like,
did we have the same conversations about any hit or
anyone who touched Tom Brady? We used to have these
same issues. It seems it was all the only one
because of spygame, the only one. I mean, there's all
the excuses that were made. They deflate the football. There's
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a tuck roll back in the day.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Said that was the dynasty. Doesn't even happen.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
If Charles Woodson's sack, strip fumble or whatever, it doesn't,
it doesn't happen.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
They went on to be successful for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So I'm just telling you that's what people said.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
It's it's weird, man, People like just can't be like, yeah,
they're really good.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Kansas City is really good. The Chargers are really good.
I'm telling you they're they're up and comers pass no Diddy.
But I think that, uh, the way this game was
played run.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Its course, hasn't it. By the way, no Diddy thing, That's.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
What I'm saying. I don't know if it's run its course.
We're just talking.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
We got the dude Busby involved again, Like here he
goes again, Harry comes, you know. So I don't know, man,
But anyway, I do know this, the Chiefs have not
run their course yet. I do think that they are now.
While I will say I don't feel as though the
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way they're winning games is possibly where you'd feel comfortable
or confident in the playoffs or even in a super
Bowl scenario, I don't feel like they're as dominant as
they maybe should be being in in position to try
(03:36):
to win a third straight. But with that being said, again,
sometimes the best wins are the ugliest wins, and they've
learned how to win ugly and they've done it consistently.
So maybe the bottom line is they're learning how to
fight on their back and that could be to their
advantage as they go deeper into the season. I'm not
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sure what side it falls on. I just I'm just
curious as to why the offense has not been that impressive,
and and and I just you know, I just wonder
if if this defense can't hold up for them and
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they have to find themselves in an offensive shootout, are
they in are they in the right place to be able?
Are they in the right position to be able to
do it? That's that's what I would wonder. Like you
think about that Buffalo Bills, you know rams game yesterday.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
That was that was a shootout? Was great?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You know that that was and they both kept answering,
they both kept stepping up and answering the challenge of
putting up points. I don't know, when I was watching
that game, I was like, I don't know that Kansas
City would be able to do that against Buffalo would though,
I mean, it's possible That's what I'm saying is if
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it were to come down that became an offensive game,
would Kansas City be able to And I know that
sounds wild saying it because Patrick Mahomes is the quarterback,
So you say, in your mind, Patrick Mahomes will find
a way, but Willy will he find a way? That's
to me that's the biggest question I have in terms
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of if they're going to get a three peet, they
got to be able to get more offense circulating and generating.
If if they're going to legitimately make that type of
run again this year, there's going to be one time
there's going to be a game where their defense isn't
it is going to have to fall on them on
the offense side of the ball to win a game.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, I guess I don't doubt that quite as much.
Like they're getting healthier at the right time. He saw
Pa Checko and he kind of adds different elements to the
rushing attack. You're gonna get Hollywood brown back eventually. Worthy
still work in progress as a rookie, but the Hopkins edition.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Now like greatisition.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's elevated everyone. It's like helped open up things for Kelsey.
It's opened up things for Jujus Smith Schuster. It's it's
kind of been that high tide for them. And again,
they don't have to always like I think people play
them so different than they play a lot of other teams.
You know, it's like, don't let Patrick Mahomes a big
place like ruin the game, and they do try to
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make them earn it, like it's a lot softer shell
coverage you'll see. And last night too, it seemed like
the charges were pretty intent. I'm getting some hits on
Patrick Mahomes. I mean, that was a grueling game for
him physically to get through, and he's always up for
the challenge. But like my concern is probably more the
offensive line more than anything else, because that group last
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night I didn't think stood up.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Very well the Chargers pass rush.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So that's moving forward as I kind of look at
that the other teams they're gonna have to play up against.
I mean, Buffalo can get after the Ravens can get
after it. Pittsburgh obviously can get after it like it.
That's a problem when you talk about if they getting
a shoot out, I think what I think of is
like if they become one dimensional and he's just got
to drop back and sing the football round. If this
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O line doesn't stand up better and play better than
they did last night, they're going to struggle. Like he's
he's gonna get knocked out of some games because of
the way you know, they're rushing them, the way they're hitting.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Him right now. It's like the Super Bowl they lost
to Tampa Bay. I mean, yeah, Tom Brady won it
and the Bucks won that, and it was the COVID year.
But in that Super Bowl, like Mahomes took a beating
like I think he got him might have gotten dinged
up a little bit in that. I think he came
in with an injury as well too. Into that game.
I just look at him and I go, if they're
going to find themselves consistently in one score games like
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they have majority of this year, I'll just I'll take
my chances and take Mahomes. He's going to make a
play in that spot. And the defense has been really
the star of this team for going on two years now.
I just I don't know how you bet against him.
And they're gonna get home field advantage in the postseason.
And Buffalo with that loss yesterday, but this feels like
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it's it's probably gonna be a little bit out of reach.
So now you've got to depend on Buffalo if they
get there, to go to Kansas City and try and
win that game. And I think that's one team that
can do it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I know that, but I think it's it's still
with that being said, in the playoffs, I don't think that,
for one, the weather won't be an issue for them
to travel in the k C, which is generally that's
going to be a tough one for for a lot
of teams to travel in the k C and be
able to acclimate to that weather. That's one, and then two,
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I just think that the the feel of this this
Buffalo team this year. They stepped up on offense. Now
the defense let them down in this game. But but
give the Rams some credit, right they they they generated
so much offense. Stafford played his brains out, Cooper Cup
(08:56):
and and and like I said, Puoka, they played, they
played amaze and they outgunned them. So if you're going
to say, okay, in comparison to what we just saw
last evening, if they go in and play Kansas City
in the playoffs, they can keep up with them offensively,
and I think that that's ultimately at the end of
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the day. That's that's what you want to know heading
into that big of a game, is that if we
can keep up with them on the offensive side of
the ball, if Patrick Mahomes is having a game, can
Josh Allen have the type of game where he can
stand up to what Patrick Mahomes is doing. And while
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they came out on the other side of it last night,
I don't think for two seconds that in that big
of a game that they wouldn't be able to deliver,
you know, answers to what case would be able to
do offensively against their defense, and maybe they don't have
that bad of a day defensively again as they did
last evening. I mean, that wasn't that was was wide open.
(10:01):
You know, the highway tolls were shut off. They nobody
was paying tolls. So it'd be interesting to see. But
I think that that's one of the teams. You know,
I would have said the Bengals, you know, I'd say
the Ravens, you know, all cold cold weather teams. I
think that there are a few teams that could actually
travel into into Kansas City and be able to win
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Pittsburgh on Pittsburgh is one of those teams. Yeah, Pittsburgh's won,
and they'll probably play better defense too. Chances are they
play better defense.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Ye, so yeah. I mean if you're the Chargers, you
saw Herbert took a beating as well last night in
that game, and you know, they feel like they're going
to be a playoff team. And that's probably like if
you were to look how the playoffs match up, like
who wants the Chargers in the first round? I mean,
if you if you're Houston and you win the South
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and you end up with l A like that, Like
I would take the Chargers in that game.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Like there's a couple throws the man he missed in
that one and that was before the whole leg bruiser
and contusion, but the deep shot to Palmer, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I feel like that happens.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Like we talked about, you know that we were talking
about the Chiefs that they can handle a shootout.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
It's like I feel like everyone who plays the Chiefs you.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
See that, you'll see like, oh man, he missed that one,
or he missed like a big throw here there. I
don't know why, but I feel like it's always the
Chiefs who are the beneficiary of that, like that Misthrowt,
or that the other quarterback not playing as well as
he's capable of.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I mean, the ball hitting off the upright.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
It's just it's it is odd, man, things go their way.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It's just it's the that was before the win. Yeah,
like for the win.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, that's kind of I don't know, it does work
out though it's your third kicker of the year. Man,
I'm not one. I'm not a big believer of luck.
I'm not a guy that says, yep, luck was playing
a part in it. I just feel like you make
your luck. But that's as much of an argument point
against not believing in luck as as it gets. You know,
that was definitely luck was on Kansas City side.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's the the great words of Seneca, the Roman philosopher.
You know, you know what was it? What is the
preparation and opportunity when they meet? That's luck Kansas City
and they got.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Opportunities hitting, hitting upright in it, banking and bouncing through.
I would say kind of maybe s is on that
that logic.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, are we just going to gloss over the
fact that I pulled Seneca, a Roman philosopher here.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I don't even know if what you said it's true,
but by the way, I'm going to agree with side note.
So I I had the opportunity to call into Jonas's
show this.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Weekend, Nice and the main events.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I'll say this, man, Jonas did a solo show. He
knows what he's doing. You could tell he feels most
comfortable by the solo show.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I'm not trying to say this to like it for
any of the reason. I'm just saying you could tell.
I was like, oh, all right, he knows what he's doing. Well,
we could do a show without Jonas and Lee.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
By the way, I forgot, Let's get you on another time.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Slot and me and you would just try to survive,
you know, during the time slot you and Lee stay
on this time slot and we'll go take another one.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Damn, I wasn't going to free you up. I wasn't
saying it for that reason. While I was saying it
needs to.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Carry him up.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Look, he's sitting here smiling like, yeah, that's right, that's right,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I was listening to him because I had a chance,
like to listen to like what a minute or so
before I actually came on, and I was like, all right, dude,
he's he's doing his thing, man, like he this is
this is where he feels most comfortable. Like I haven't
I haven't heard that version of Jonas in a little while.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, I forgot that. I did forget to ask you
a question or get your feedback on a comment that
I made earlier in the show. So you know that
Doctor Pepper halftime challenge they do like people have now
given up and they they just do the chest pass.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Okay, first stop, it's not giving up.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I've tested this, like I went through like a lengthy
test of it. It's quicker to do. It's way quicker. Like,
there's so many factors you have to play in there.
The first is if you're trying to grip the ball,
they're slick because they're kind of newish, and it takes
longer to try to find the laces. So if you
don't want to try to find the laces you're throwing it,
(14:19):
you're gonna be throwing it a more inaccurate ball. Okay,
if you're if you want to go with a throwing form,
if you want to do like the push pass thing,
it's way easier, way more accurate. If you've probably got
more experience doing a push pass of sorts than you
would throwing a football in your life, most likely.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
My thought was, if my son won a scholarship doing
chest passes.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
What I would do.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
What I would do as a good parent is playing
drugs in his dorm. That's what I would do and
have kicked out of school. You will not come back.
So this is Jonas, and I forgot to present that
to you on Saturday, so I wanted to get that
in today if we could.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I I saw one that I had not seen before,
which I thought was pretty innovative. Was the dude took
two balls and it was like he reloaded. It was
almost like having like a shotgun where you've got like
the over under where he kind of would pushed past
the right, quickly switched to the left.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
He was money.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
This kid beat the crap out of the other I
think he was going up against a girl, but I
think he hit like sixteen or seventeen of them, and like,
it's not easy to do, especially on that stage, not
as much experience.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, well, listen, good for him. Not in my household.
That won't happened. No, no show back up here, dropping
down better get you take your ass back to Tijuana, buddy,
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
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Speaker 5 (15:55):
Taken the gain for scholarship. Don't even lie.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
That's correct, all right? So coming up next here we
are going to talk about how there's a team in
the NFL that's very good, yet for some reason, their
superstars are not happy. That's yours right here on this job.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
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Speaker 3 (16:27):
What's wrong? You're over the Christmas music already? No, look
a little over a weekend. I know, it just sounds
so different from regular music. No, that wasn't why side though,
I was watching that the highlights of the Jets. Wow,
(16:52):
they can't buy a win man, Brokay, can't buy one.
Can't buy one, not on discount, not for free. By
the way, hey leader, we have the okay, so we
do have some Garrett Wilson sound post game and it
sounds like he's reiterating what LeVar tried to warn us
(17:15):
about going into the season when we were very bullish
on the Jets winning the division. Here was Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Losing period sucks, and when you're up in the fourth quarter,
all of a sudden, it starts to feel like you
have a losing problem.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's that you have like.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
A a gene or something. So it's not like we're
just going out there and getting our butt beat from
start to finish, you know. No, No, we have a
chance to go win the game. We're supposed to win
the game in our favorite We're finding a way to
lose the game. So it's just frustrating for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Is that the dysfunction, Genie you were talking about. I'm
telling you, bro.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It starts to like you start to adapt and adopt
and evolve into the environment that you're in. Yeah, and
you don't even like. The sad part of it is
is that you can know it, but you don't even
really know how much it has a hold of you.
You don't it just it's it's what you are. And
(18:12):
that's just I mean, I think that that's what he's
alluding to. It's like, we know we're good enough to win,
why are we not winning? Cause it's like it's in you,
like it's it's the only people that would be able
to see it are somebody who's not in it. So
if you had somebody come to a study on that team,
they'd be able to look at what it is that
(18:34):
they do, how they do it, when they're doing it,
why they're doing it, and they would be able to
do like a psychoanalysis and break down of how people
are doing what they're doing on their daily regiments, their
daily task, how people interact with one another. And if
you were to do a comparable of a healthy environment
(18:56):
versus a toxic environment, it would be most likely be
like crazy find like comparisons would be ridiculous, and what
you'd see and and the differences, the staunch differences and
how things are And I'm telling you you don't know,
(19:17):
you know, but you don't you don't really, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
It's hard to explain.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, I knew, what was the thing is? You know,
when you go somewhere else where, it's not like that.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Like one of the things that I would say is
playing for different teams throughout the course of my career
really opened my eyes to that, and it's and it's
hard because I feel like it's probably not relatable for
a lot of people unless you've worked for multiple employers,
Like you know, there's differences when you go there, and
oftentimes it's it's it's top down, it's the ownership. It's
(19:51):
the way they treat their executives, it's the way the
executives treat work associates people underneath them, and it goes
all the way down to the bottom. It's the exact
same way enfranchises in the NFL with a sports team,
there's teams that cut corners the team that don't. There's
teams that the owner is more involved, more vocal, and
sometimes that's good, sometimes that's bad. You know, there's teams
(20:14):
when they're removed from it and they let the people
who are there to do their job what they're good
at do that job. And there's some who are removed
that have people in place so end up running the
thing into the ground and they have a terrible hiring
process and they don't know how to find the right
mixture of people, or they listen to the outside noise
too much and they don't give anyone enough time. There
(20:37):
are plenty of situations like that, But in relation to
the Eagles, which is the team we're just talking about,
that is not one of those organizations that is a
good organization, that is an organization that you know has
a moved on from head coaches who have won Super Bowls,
who have been to playoffs and have said, Nope, not
good enough. We got to find someone else because we
(20:59):
know what we have and we know we've build on
this roster. So in this case, you know, we're talking
about different story, but I'm just saying it's for the
for the Jets themselves, it is really really hard, and
Aaron Rodgers can probably speak to it because he came
from an organization he was with forever, which is a stable,
(21:20):
really really good organization, and it's probably an eye opening
experience over the this year, not last year. He saw
probably a lot of things, but not the same as
this year when he's actually playing and he's in the
middle of it and you're still not getting the results
that you want.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I mean, when you're that good and you see you
touch down on the realities that are hovering over you
and around you, bro I mean, I've looked at dudes,
well yesterday, by the way, and then.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
What that's his first I think they said that's his
first year passing game in like thirty some games.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's wild, right, and still find a way to lose,
Still find a way to lose.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I can't get right.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's a it's a wild phenomenon. But it's just it's
just what it is, man Like. I just never seen
a dysfunctional organization win. I've never seen success within dysfunction.
I've just never seen it. And I mean it's kind
of you will ask yourself like to me, I asked
myself the question if you realize that's the reputation you
(22:34):
have and and yet you've built success to own a franchise,
you've built success doing business like.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Unless unless you inherited the team.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
But I mean, if you're a Woodie Johnson, I mean
you've you've done well in business to be able to
have a pro team.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
All right, Are you guys want the date of the
last time Aaron rodgerster forever three and yards? What was
December twelfth, twenty twenty one? Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
He of course it was versus the Bears for four touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And that was the last time on to be the
Bears too. By the way, what.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Do you mean? And by the way, that was on
three weeks in a row for throwing over three hundred
yards and he had ten touchdowns with no interceptions in
that span.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
They allowed the Niners to get back on track. Yeah,
I mean, there you go. Yeah, that's just what the
doctor ordered. Yeah, I know, Trent Williams, Nick, we're calling
your prescription. Go get you a dose of Chicago Bears.
You'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
And they're fixed. They're fixed, reflush is gone, they're good.
Everything's fine and a problem at all.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's sad that his his performance got wasted in the Ale.
Speaking of Aaron Rodgers, I mean, dang, that's it. I
mean he did, he was throwing the ball, did look
like they could win the game, that they were in
position to win the game. They just didn't win the game.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And what's aj Brown's problem all right with Philadelphia? Like
he just can't be happy. Didn't he redo his deal
or get more money this offseason? They paid Davante Smith,
Like it feels like, you know, people have been paid.
The quarterback was paid and they're in contention for the
one seed. They struggle a little bit yesterday against Carolina,
and then afterwards, AJ Brown was asked, you know what
(24:22):
sort of is the issue because DeVante Smith kind of
pointed out that listen, you know, when you're only throwing
the ball twenty times a game, it's hard to get
into a rhythm from a passing standpoint in the passing game.
So AJ Brown, talking with the media, had this to say,
what are some.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Things you think they that the offense needs to improve
on back passing?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And DeVante is applogy.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
You know, receivers, just like running backs, want to get
in rhythm. How hard is it as a receiver to
get into a rhythm when you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Only throwing about pointy time incredibly So it seemed like
there was a moment on the sideline when you threw
your helmet into the bench.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
What prompted that reaction during that? So they're not even happy.
Here's what I don't get about.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
This is it's not like this season's been a dramatic
change for what his career has been receiving. I mean,
since he's gotten to Philly, he's averaged somewhere over eighty
yards every game. That's his average, eighty eight, about eighty six,
about eighty four is what he's averaging this year, and
so his past game, like he had four targets, four
(25:27):
catches for over forty yards. I mean it's touchdowns for
ten games to the season's got four. He cut off
Morey at seven last year, eleven the first year. But
it's like, I'm not really sure what the issue is,
Like you won the game, you didn't necessarily cover the spread,
and I don't know, maybe you had money on the game,
who knows, But I don't understand the frustration with it.
(25:47):
Like this team has played really, really well since the buy.
A lot of it's been because of Saquon Barkley, and
maybe he's reason. Yeah, I mean that's the guy you're
trying to feed right now. You got paid, like, but
he's the featured play on your offense. You gotta be
okay with that.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Sometimes I might. I mean, you're you're gonna want more balls.
I never met a receiver who who caught enough balls,
had enough targets, had enough yards, never met one that
was okay with where they were at. You always want more.
That's just how receivers are wired. And if you're if
(26:24):
you're not getting very many opportunities, it becomes real monotonous
to run routes and run around and do all this
stuff and you're not getting action, especially if you are
the main target, you are the main guy, it just
starts to mess with your head, like why am I
(26:45):
running these routes. You're not even looking for me, You're
not throwing me the ball. I'm not getting opportunities, I'm
not scoring.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You know, would he rather be back in Tennessee?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And that's a it's a great point. I just I
just don't think that it's not as simple as saying
winning and losing as the antidote for being happy. If
you're a receiver, a top and high end receiver, a
one receiver is always going to want the ball, and
and I think that that's ultimately what it comes down to.
(27:19):
I don't think it's toxic. I didn't hear anything in
those sound bites that made me feel like it's like
it's toxic or anything like that. It's just you're if
you're not getting very many targets, you're going to have
you're going to have moments where okay, you're going to
throw your helmet down, like.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, the sound bites are one thing if you saw
is very quick.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Short one word responsible they lost if it felt like
from watching the interview like he was. He was pretty
ticked off. The interesting thing is he led the team
in receiving, like if you can't. I know, he's got
a gripe about him. Maybe, but it's like, all right, man,
like you got more yards and Simon that catches Davante.
(28:06):
It wasn't like it was like someone else was getting
a lot more targets and you. I mean they threw
to Smith a little bit more. But I don't know.
It speaks to the question of, you know, Jalen hurts
to get to the playoffs, like how do we how
do we feel about him? If they were in the AFC,
it'd be a different story because there's more competition in
the NFC. Okay, we got the Lions, we've got the Vikings,
(28:29):
We're gonna have Green Bay most likely too. Outside of that,
I mean, Philly's right there with them, So I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Think the teams are dangerous man. And and he's listen
and he's putting it out there that he's upset.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I don't feel like again, I don't feel like he's
putting it out there in a way where he's creating
any issues. So if you think so, I don't feel
like he is. I mean, I feel like that's what.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
We're talking about it right now, purely because of the
way he answered the questions.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, but I still think that that's one of those
deals where it didn't it now becomes a conversation with
the offensive coaches and you start, I guess I'll put
it this wut.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
If he I mean, the initial question was like, what
do you guys need to improve on an offense? And
he said passing. He didn't say receiving, he didn't say rushing.
He said passing. That's one singular person. Like you could
try to make it like, oh, that's a lot of
things the O one and no it's not. He's that's
a shot at his quarterback. I mean, that's that's the
reality of what it is. Otherwise you'd say, like, well,
(29:29):
our passing game and I need to do a better
job of this, or like you'd elaborate on it.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
He just said.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Passing, and so that's not been It could have been encompassing,
though it could have been the offensive play calling.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
All right, Use we're not gonna agree to this, But
there was a wager of three point one million dollars
on this game, three point one money line for the
Eagles to win, and so mind you, that would have
met out four hundred and forty two thousand, which this
better ultimately one. However, that was very much a pretty
(30:00):
late in this game, as Carolina did a good job
of keeping it close, and they could have had to
go ahead touchdown catch if not for a drop. So
crazy though, like crazy that someone was willing to put
up three point one million they felt so confident Philly
would beat Carolina, which again they did.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
However, a lot.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I could I mean, I could only imagine putting up
that much money and then sweating out those final moments
of the game.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I think that the Eagles are still trending up. And
I'll say this, whether we agree or disagree on the
point of it, the best way for them to represent
themselves in the in the best form, in fashion and
manner is to make sure they get everybody on the
same page. Like the bottom line is, is the less
(30:51):
pressure that that Jalen Hurts has on him in that
passing game, the better this team is going to be.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Oh, you gotta run the ball.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
If so, you really not going to chime in on
the ball ball.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I was going to say, if we get, if le
Get makes that catch and holds onto the football, there,
I would have loved nothing more than to be able
to teleport right next to that better who went public
for three point one million dollars on the Eagles money line.
I just want to watch that guy's believable, that guy's
life evaporate in front of his eyes, just to see
(31:24):
how that would have played out. Also, why is this
stuff being made public? Like like why why are.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
These I personally don't I mean, it's not like the
guy's names public, is it?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
But why why is CIRCA releasing this information? Like hey,
we're doing a big hand, like we're we're taking three entice.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
People were like sitting on the sidelines, like wait a second.
That guy just went four and forty two thousand. They're like, oh,
I'm trying to go with some money. It's like, well,
hold on, pal, if he put up three point one million,
win that.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah. And also it's.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Crazy to think though, like you would take that from
an investment standpoint, you would take that return and like
your annual was thirteen percent or whatever it is, you
take that every day of the week, every day of
the week. You would take that if you're investing into something.
The difference is like this is obviously is an investing.
This is like a short term quick landa bett to
try to make a little close to half a mil.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And that could be gone and it'll hard bit. Yeah,
that's that's the part of it.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Hey. By the way, Bryce Young and I'll say this
about Dave Canal, they play hard like they do. So
whatever the conversation was about him being hired as a
head coach after one year as the OC and Tampa
Bay like the benching of Bryce Young and him coming
back to play like he's played better and better each week.
So Carolina is they're fun. They're fun, and all those
(32:43):
all those Bears're fun. Yeah, they're fun. All those Bears
fans out there that were laughing at them when the
trade got done. You're one win better than Carolina right
now at this point in the season. So put that
in your pipe and smoke it all right, Two pros
and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio up next,
though it is a Monday tradition in the FSR IR
right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
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Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
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Speaker 2 (33:49):
After your sports weekend happens. So it's time to get
the FSR IR report.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
All right, who's got it? Was a little sore today?
What'd you do?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I was trying to do the national anthem? Surprised my
daughter walked down the bleacher steps to get to my
seat to do the national anthem, and while trying to
look at the flag and do all the things I
was doing, I slipped and like slipped like was skiing
(34:26):
down the steps. I did not fall. I wobble, wobbled,
but I did not fall down. But my ankle was
pretty sore today.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And I fell back.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I fell back on you know, like kind of like
the railing that you walked down when you're going down.
We were at Stanford. No, I didn't have drinks. I
wasn't under the influence or anything like that. It was
just a real like I took a misstep because I
was trying to like calculate too many different things. Like
I knew we were surprising my daughter. I was walking
(35:01):
down to see if she was going to see us
while the anthem is playing, and somebody say, well, why
weren't you stopped and waiting on the anthem. I was
just trying to get to my seat so I could
stand where I was at and finish the song because
it was already halfway through anyway, So why would I
walk in at that point? I don't know, but I did,
(35:23):
and I slipped and I went I got I skied
down at least three steps, at least three It's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
And then I leaned back.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I finally got a hold of my footing and just
stood there and finished out the national anthem.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And it's sore as hell today. My left ankles really
sore today. So there you go. Wow, I'm all right.
I mean, at least she got surprised. Yeah, no, she
was happy to see us.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
There. I took my kid to Universal Studios on Friday,
and it's kind of good and bad. Uh. The bad
is he doesn't want to go on, or I guess
the good is he doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Go on any of the rides. He's not interested at all.
That good because he doesn't have to get on. You
don't have to get.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of rides, but all
he wants. Oh, I'm just I don't They're boring. Really Yeah,
I just don't get it. I've never really gotten it.
But he loves the games, like throwing the balls, shooting
the baskets. But he loves all that stuff. The problem
is all that stuff costs money.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
You're really trying to make him into this like super athlete.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Huh No, that's just what he likes to do. I'm
just saying, like you you really, you really sell us on.
I would look if you if you think I didn't,
you know, look at Wan Soto's contract and think all right,
well that's right.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Cages immediately, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Immediately, got I got home. I lefty. No, no, but
he's got a hose for an hour there.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
He keeps doing this. You always set yourself up for failure. Man,
Just love it. Just love your son, Let him be
a kid.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Love you.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Are you really trying to get him to the major though? No,
I just wouldn't be a good person. That's it. That's
all I care about. So what ended up happening? That
was it? That was the story. Well, he just when
I say hey it's time to go, we gotta go,
he cries. Well, he's so competitive that if he doesn't
win the stuffed animal, he wants to keep playing and competitors,
(37:30):
just a competitor athlete, and and it costs me money.
So I'm like, look.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You probably have like a gazillion dollars. You don't spend money.
I spent it on my car.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
You so you have.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Enough money for him to play as many games as
he liked.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Can they what can they be? In pays? Why do
you play catch with your son? How about that catch
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