December 9, 2024 • 39 mins
Coming off the back of Conference Championship Weekend, the NFL’S parity problem is more apparent than ever and it comes down to QB development. The Giants are in desperation mode and Only Fans models are in the mix. Plus, Lee’s Leftovers.
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we talked about the college football playoffs being set the
top twelve comes out yesterday, We've got the bye weeks,
we've got the playoffs, we've got the home playoff games
that are coming up. And then that was about an
hour before the early games in the NFL kicked off.
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And there are some bad football teams in the NFL,
and it doesn't appear like it's getting any better. It
appears like we've got a race for the number one pick.
And I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.
I love the NFL as much as anybody, but this
is a rough watch this year.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
You just think this is a bit of an indictment
to on the quarterback draft class, like when you only
have one guy that everyone feels good about and then
it's kind of question marks behind that. I feel like
that's part of the issue. I don't know, it's either
that or just the fact that we've got, you know,
too many teams that there's just not a lot of
parody right now. In the end, so if you removed
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obviously the Sunday night football game, five of the ten
games that were played yesterday there were double digit margins
of victory, and then some of the like the one
score games you had Jacksonville Tennessee. That game was six
to nothing until twelve minutes left in the fourth quarter. Okay,
New Orleans, New York Giants fourteen to eleven. All right,
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two games where, if you were watching, offense was hard
to come by. Okay. And I understand Jacksonville Mac Jones
playing quarterback. You know, he's a Backup's not Trevor Lawrence.
I get all of that, but this is not a
great product, man, for people who watched some of those games.
And look, I'm as big of a Browns fan as anyone.
A couple of weeks ago, Browns beat Pittsburgh an awesome,
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awesome night, awesome game. That game was nowhere close to
the last time these two teams played. Cleveland was never
in that game. So I just it felt like coming
off the back of conference championship weekend college football and
then watching that mess of games, it became apparent. And
I understand you're also looking at some of the best
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of the best at college football in comparison, but also, dude,
you only got thirty two teams. Like, let's be real,
I just for fifty percent of your games basically before
Sunday a football or call it a little less of
that if you want to include Sunday a football, it's
got to be better. Like there should be more of
a concern I think for the NFL moving forward, and
until we probably see a dip in the ratings or
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a dip in viewership, no one's going to seriously address it.
But I'm telling you right now, this is a big
time problem. Like fan bases, attendance and all that stuff,
they're going to struggle for some of these really really
bad teams. I know the TV money is so lucrative
that it probably doesn't change a lot as long as
they're making a profit or not having to spend a
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ton of money on their franchise. But this is a
big time problem in my opinion for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Do you attribute it to the quarterbacks? I mean, if
you think about it, I think many how many dope
quarterbacks like Bona Fides are there in the league right now.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
There's there's three things I think overall it has to
do with quarterback play. But there's three things overall that
stand out. There is no longer the development of the
quarterback position the way it's being taught at younger ages.
I mean, I've told you guys like even pee football.
They're like in shotgun now, And I'm like, okay, Like,
can we not teach kids how to take a snap,
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how to drop back, even a sense of timing and
rhythm within the passing game at a pee wee age.
I mean, they're not doing it anymore. So there's elements
of how the game's played at the NFL level that
are being taught at like the rudermentory level of football.
That's a problem. So even when you get to the league,
not only do you not have that foundation of how
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the game should be played from the pocket and all
that stuff, but your quarterbacks are better passers because of
their their technical teaching from a throwing standpoint. So like,
in one instance they're better, but in another instance, as
far as playing the game, it's not the same. They're
not being taught the football the same way and all that.
So that's one struggle, Okay. The next struggle is to me,
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the offensive line. The offensive line play has got worse
and worse. Anyone who watches game, watch his tape will
tell you that it's getting harder and harder to find
guys that you could consistently rely on. And there's just
a huge gap between the offensive line athleticism and the
defensive line athleticism. Like that's what you're starting to see.
And you've seen teams convert guys who couldn't make it
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as a detackle into an offensive lineman because they're a
superior athlete and that's what they're up against. They can
teach them the technical skills, they can't teach them this
sort of athleticism. So the offensive line play, which inherently
impacts the quarterback play, has gotten worse and worse, which
is part of it too. And I think the third
thing is there's no patience with head coaches coaching staffs,
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which puts more pressure on the coaches who are there
to simply install, make sure guys know the game plan.
That's all they care about. They just care about the
winning of things. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't
care about winning. That obviously is number one. But behind
that used to be some form of development. There used
to be some period set aside every single day that
we're about the technical skills of playing quarterback and not
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just worry about the game plan and the install. That's
not the case anymore. There's so much pressure on coaches
in year one to win and show improvement right now
that they don't like if the guy's not playing, get
him out of the next guy, and like, we have
to do something to save our job, because that's what
they're most concerned with. So instead of being most concerned
about the quarterback position, the most important position, they're concerned
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about their own livelihood almost a week in a week
out in the NFL. So like, those three things to
me stand out the most. But I mean, look, we're
transitioning to in a stage where, like we see these
running back starting to emerge, it's like, well, yeah, let's
get back to running the football more then, like until
your quarterback's ready to take that next step, you know,
not everyone needs to become Tom Brady in their first year,
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which people tend to forget. He sat and he watched
and he learned, and he wasn't asked to do the
things he was asked to do at the end of
his career at the beginning of his career, which ultimately
made him the greatest of all time.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Jaggs Titans Saints Giants. Neither one of those games should
have been played. They should have been canceled. I'm gonna
add to q's lists. I'm gonna at the physicality of
the game continues to be legislated out of it, and
the preparation is being modified so much that it's, in
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my estimation, it's tanking the level of competition. So in
that development, in that in that preparation four season, the
way that they're approaching it is nowhere near as intense
as it once was. Defenses are being you know, I mean,
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there's so much indecision, there's so much confusion and how
these guys are approaching how to hit and how to
tackle and what that looks like. And I think that
that's impacting the level of competition and the level of
play as well. And I think it's a major to me.
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I feel like it's a major miss in some ways
to actually and what I believe bowed down to the
pressures of what was created publicly by the whole Concussions conversation,
and when I was saying earlier talking about you know,
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people needing to be more responsible or be better at
doing their jobs when they're calling games, I mean just
the narrative and the perpetuating of like how some of
these hits are are discussed and how they're talked about
when they happen.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
It does no service. It actually does a disservice to
the game. Hearing guys that are calling it from the
booth in the ways that they're calling it because you're
you're you're further villainizing or you're further you know, making
it more of a dangerous like we're looking at this
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as how dangerous this is versus it being a full
contact sport. You don't hear And I've I've watched hockey
at times, Like I'm not an avid hockey fan. I
don't watch it, you know, like all the time, but
I do watch sports. You don't hear the way we
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discuss physicality and in football these days now, you don't
hear it discussed. You don't hear physicality and things that
take place like if some gets hit a certain type
of way in hockey or you know, whatever it may be,
you don't hear them talk about it that way. It's
almost like you have to make sure you talk about
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a big hit and it's like brutalizing, Like you gotta
be careful on the words that you're using. But I
think it's ultimately becoming a part of what football culture
is is that this is a time frame where the
sport is actually trying to find a proper sturdy footing
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on how you're able to play the game. You know,
one thing I thought of, it's interesting to me that
this is the day and age of where you have
more mobile quarterbacks than you ever had. Right think about this,
you are now the league is now transitioning into a
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space and time where it actually is looking at mobile quarterbacks,
dual threat quarterback more than they ever have. And yet
this is ultimately also the time where you can't touch
the quarterback. Like, how does that work? If a quarterback
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is going to be mobile? How does that work? Having
a mobile quarterback, the most mobile quarterbacks that you're going
to have in the league, you have it now, And
yet you're legislating being able to hit a quarterback out
of the game. How does that work?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They're not the rules are They're only protecting the quarterback
in the pocket though, Like that kind of more speaks
to I think some of the issues that I see
in quarterback play is there too many guys who are
reliant on trying to get outside the pocket where they
don't get those protections where they're going to take some
of those hits as opposed to playing from within the
pocket or they get that protection. Like that's one thing
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that's kind of stud out, I guess. And I also
think that the dual threat quarterback, it's important, like a
Byproduct's a bit of what's happened with a lot of
the spread offenses that are a part of the youth game,
is you get more youth offenses that have said, hey,
this guy in the past might have been a running back,
might have been another you know, player that we put
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in like in the wing team or putting at like
a you know, a wing back or something like that.
And instead now we're like, well, we're gonna put him
in shotgun. We're gonna run zone read and quarterback run
game from shotgun, and then we're gonna mix in some
RPOs and throws things like that as he continues to
develop along and so it's kind of again a byproduct
I think of a lot of the upbringing and what's
changed with a lot of the way kids are coached
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at a younger age. And I also think it falls
back into like, if your quarterback can't move, he's not
going to survive in the NFL. I mean a lot
of these guys are drafted to teams that have bad
offensive lines in the first place. It's one of the
reasons why they're not very good. And so if that
guy can't scramble, if he can't run, if he can't
affect the defense. You know, coaches one oftentimes quarterbacks who
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can run or up the ability to because it eliminates
a lot of man defense, like go ahead and try
to play a man versus dude who can take off
and run and pick up a first down or pick
up a to you know, go get a touchdown with
his legs on a passing play. It scares defense is nuts.
So it's it's a very simplified defense. You're mostly gonna
get some sort of post high zone, maybe some quarters
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like that's kind of it. I mean, if it's a man,
it might be some form of zero where you've got
at least an extra defender who's gonna try to force
the ball out of his you know, his hand or
you know, something along those lines. So there is something
responsible for the quarterback. I mean, it's just you know
that to me has played a role in like the
dual threat thing. But as far as the physicality, I
think you're you're dead on even in regards to preparation
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for a lot of players.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I'm looking at next week's games. I mean, tell me
you guys aren't just enthralled by Jets Jags, you know
in the in the early window and actually the games
next week are a little bit better than this past week.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
But I was gonna ask you though, like the Jets now,
aren't you know they're out of the playoff hunt? That's
what fourteen years in a row. It's the longest streak
of any Is it easy to watch it? I mean
outside of if you're betting or you have fantasy Like,
what do you I mean, what are you kind of
watching for at this point?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
That that's really the only if they can win? Like
how many losses will they have? I honestly, I think
I think you it's crazy, but people love watching suffering.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's it's gambling, it's fantasy football and Tony Man because
next week the fantasy how bad can.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
The Jets really be? People are watching to see. It's
like anything else. Aaron Rodgers has been on top. Even
in his down moments, they've been good. They just weren't
as good as they were when he was at the top.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Of the top.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You get an opportunity to watch a guy struggle, and
that's what people watch for. People watch to see how
how low can it go? With Aaron Rodger, I think
the most interesting parts of the Jets season have already happened,
the firings, the acquisitions, and the acceptance that they're just
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a terrible football team. And I think at this point
people are kind of over it. I think even look
when he does the interviews with you know, Pat McAfee
and starring AJ Hawk, I think people have kind of
that that those have kind of run their course for
a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So, I mean, he does have his documentary coming out
on Netflix, you know here, and what's it call Over
a Week Enigma? I think, yeahs interesting. So I just
I think people are over it, man, I really do.
And next week the only reason you would watch some
of these games is because fantasy football gambling.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I think that's the appeal.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Can we go to our resident I watch bad television
Leader Lap to see if he's gonna watch Enigma.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I don't plan on watching that.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
No, okay, And that's saying something because you watch so
many bad movies and so much bad TV that you're
not willing to even give.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
This a try.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Uh No, you know what, I'll probably dabble in it
a little bit. I doubt i'll give it my full attention.
I'll probably put it on and do something else.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Okay, So let's say Enigmas on. What is actually garnishing
your full attention while that that's on.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I'd be probably looking at the ayahuasca stuff. Maybe his
packer days. I don't care too much about the you
know what he's doing with jets.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I was gonna say, though, is it like Jack Daniels,
is that distracting you from Enigma? Like, what's what's distracting
you the most from actually watching the show? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Probably mixing some cocktails and uh and anything else really,
but maybe barbecue and doing anything other than watching Rogers.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Lee was high and dry this past weekend.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Apparently I did sneak up here, I snuff.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
That's not true, Johns. I mean, he's there's always something.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Why do you have to sneak it?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Also, why do you call it barbecue when you're really
just grilling out?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
That's true? Are you grilling? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'm not a barbecue Yeah, yeah, I'm not here a griller.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
I am a griller. Yeah that's good.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I mean, no leavar am I wrong? Like there's a
big difference.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
There is a difference. Yeah, you're right, there's a difference.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But like if people like go barbecue, like, oh okay,
but I just take a step back here. You're not
throwing stuff in a green egg or a tragger and
smoking it and taking the time to do that. You're
just throwing stuff on the grill.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, you're right, but I do at home or somebody like.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Go use the barbecue.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
You know, that's what I say.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
It doesn't make You're right, You're right, you're right. That's
like when you say, hey, I've got to take a
quick break and you leave during one of the segments
and you really want to take a dump. Like that's
entirely different.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, different things that it's completely different things.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Since we're on the topic, I forgot to ask you
guys this last week. Difference between barbecuing and grilling and
all that. What's the difference between pasta sauce and pizza sauce.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
There's a difference, a difference.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I don't know because my wife was making pasta last
week and we didn't have any sauce left, but we
did have pizza sauce and she said, no, I can't.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Marinara sauce is different than like tomato sauce. You like,
you can't use that in tomato bass But they're different. Yeah,
I don't know. I said you can't.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
There's apparently to her there is like it said the
jar said pizza sauce, so she can't use it in
her pasta.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
And I'm like, dude, it's marinera.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
It's it's a different consistency. Yeah, one's thicker, one's more,
one's more of a paste one.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I will I will ask the boss what the difference
is and we'll see what her response is. But she'll
most likely have a good response.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
On the chicken parm, what's the sauce of choice pasta? Marinara?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Neither, dude, you make you make a separate sauce. Yeah,
it's like a. It's like a. It depends, but she
makes a sauce for it. I personally lately have been
doing to a vodka sauce. If you really want to
make a good chicken parm, don't use a red sauce.
Use a voc sauce. It is outstanding, really, Yes, Okay,
that's what's been missing in your life, your guys lives
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lev Art. You have to try that next time you
get a little parm deal with a bot. Trust me,
you'll be like, damn, I didn't know this existed. We'll
look it up. I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Okay, yeah, all right, all right, fair enough, See we
figured things out here.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
That's now did you handle a situation at home?
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Just now?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Are you going to play this play this segment like
conveniently in your like kitchen or something that you know
to settle the discussion point for me? But Joe and Joe, Yeah,
it seems like you're being passive aggressive.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, that like trust me, I
would be like step on the gas aggressive if you
know I knew the language like that would help. So
this is more just a conversation with you guys, because
I'm trying to get answers because whatever answer I got,
I couldn't understand. So there's that. So this is this
is where I get on sorted out how long you've
(20:01):
been married quatro years?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Okay, that's not very long. You're still getting to know
quatchoos or whatever they're called. What does that mean? I
don't know, okay, I'll let you know an hour four
it is.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I don't know why you don't use the same accent
you use when like I talked to you on the phone,
and then you talk to Andrew in your accent, you
do it completely different.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I just I don't like the character you try to
turn into on radio.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It's not a character.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I don't know what's being said, not that verbal the
same way you do on radio as you.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Do on normal phone guys or so say on the call.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
What do you mean? Like you want me to do
a tire rack read when I'm talking to you in
front of Andrew.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
No, I want you to not do your whole accent
thing when you're speaking to him. Then act like you
don't know any Spanish, and you know Spanish.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I don't. I know the bad words and I can't
use them at home. I know the bad words.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I don't get why you lie.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
This is not its real Life's.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Okay, it's okay to be a real person.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
There's there's no lie. Man Like, I don't know why
you paint me out to be some piaso. That's not
that's not the case. That's not how this works. But nonetheless,
I think we think I'm going with Q on this one. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think I believe you. I don't think I
believe you at all. It's been too long.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
It feels reckless. But okay, And you know, for what
it's worth knowing you the way that I know you,
You just your affinity for you know all of that.
You just you love it too much to not know it. Bro.
So I'm gonna say, without going too deep, yeah all.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Right, Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox and you come up
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Speaker 5 (21:48):
Uh. Speaking of bad, there's a uh it's gotten.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Real bad for one team in the NFL, and it's
gotten real desperate apparently for this one team in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
We will get into that for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
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Speaker 5 (22:21):
All bets are off. Sorry man, so.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Good, So we are going to have some Lee's leftovers
coming up here a little over fifteen minutes from now.
By the way, update here in the studio, LeVar has
taped the ankle and.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I just put a little compression on there.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
They got those a spandages back in the medicine cabinet
over there. Sweet, that look like you've done that at
a time or two.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
A little compression. Never heard anybody?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
How about a little depression? Anybody happen to get a
whiff of the Giants this year? Just whoa, that's a
bad football team? And uh so bad?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
How how how much? I mean you're saying so bad?
How much does that have to because I know everybody
continues to defend day ball? Right? Good coach? I mean,
is that going out the door?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Is it a rap? I don't think he's gonna be back.
I don't think he's gonna make it. And I don't
think he's gonna make it. I think it's gotten so.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Bad that how bad has it gotten?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well, there's a plane that was flying overhead that was asking,
h mister Mara, can you please fix this dumpster fire?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Someone paid for a plane to fly over the stadium.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, well they asked Malik Neighbors whether or not he
had paid.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
For it, and so that sounded said, mister Marra, please
fix this dumpster fire.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
How do you as a player, like, what are you
making that I ain't paid for plane?
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Like he didn't paid for it.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Brian dave Ball, did you happen to see the plane
that flew overhead?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Brian?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Were you were aware of the plane that flew over
before pregame?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
There was a chartered plane similar to seventy eight that
was imploring John.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
To fix the mess kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Did we aware of that pregame at all?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Agree then that there's a plane that's a you know,
mister marrack, please fix the dumbster fire.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, I would say, Look, we're you know, we won
two games, so not happy either, right? That game against
New Orleans was unwatchable. I mean, man, is that a
lower low? It's pretty low?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I mean, look like the we talked about the bad games,
like the Giants had been consistently awful all year, all year,
and I know that there was a thought that they
don't like the idea that they're turning and burning head
coaches and all that stuff. I just feel like it's
gotten to the point there to where.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
It won't be hard to bring him back. How you
justified at this.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Point, especially with Belichick out there, that's a wild thing,
I think.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I think the other thing is if you're an offensive
mining coach and you know your your offense is strongly
more so than your defense, it's kind of a problem.
Like it's like you should be able to figure out
a way to overcome this. Now, you came into the
season with a starting quarterback that everyone was on board
according to their offseason with this being the year that
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he's got to show out, didn't play well, got injured,
and went through the de Vido thing. Now of the
Drew Locke thing, it's it's you know, you're on the
third quarterback. It's hard to imagine the offense is going
to operate at a high level. But they're twenty six
in the league, and so that gives people ammunition because
you're an offensive minded head coach and you're supposed to
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be more competitive than that. Despite the fact that they've
got injuries, you're number one playmakers, probably a rookie wide receiver,
which is tough to do if you're in league neighbors.
So that's one of the things that kind of stands out.
On top of that, they're last in the league in scoring,
so that speaks probably more to the quarterback situation than
maybe even does Brian Dabele. But they're off in the
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red zone, they're in the bottom half of the league
obviously on third down, and they struggle offensively, and so
that's the hard part. Like if you had the worst
defense in the league and you're like, hey, our offense
is still hanging in there. You're probably in your two
win team. You're probably saying, we have to make a
change of the defensive coordinator and you know, or build
on our defense more to get better and improved. But
we feel like we have the right guy. Knowing that
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it hasn't worked out, you kind of look at it
and go, all right, can we give them another year?
And I think, look, I always preach patience with all this,
and I think one of the worst things that happened
to Brian Dable and the New York Giants was that
first year them being a playoff team that his first
year as head coach set an unrealistic expectation for where
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the roster was at and the team was at. And
there's other people who've fallen victim to that, but I
would say the Giants are right at the top of
the list where if you flipped around their records and
this was year one and his year one was this year,
there wouldn't be any conversation about whether or not he
should still be the head coach. We'd all sit there
and go, yeay, he still should be the guy there.
But unfortunately, after winning nine games, going to the playoffs
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in year one, and then the following season you go
six to eleven, then this season you're a two win team,
everything looks like it's trending in the wrong direction. That's
the tough part.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I don't see how you justified any other way to
keep him because there doesn't seem to be a definitive
direction that this team is going in other than well,
I mean, you can't blow up the defense. You know,
you still got guys on rookie contracts, not a bad defense,
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but you definitely outside of elak neighbor is, I mean,
who else would you say, of note, do you say
it's an absolute must that you keep them?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Ava Luise?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
I mean I just think that you want to say
blow it up. I'm not going to mess with what
you what do you mean up right now? I mean
it could be a lead blow up. I need to
it might need to be able to blow up. And
if you're going to blow it up, then the question
(28:31):
now becomes did it become a blow up a blow
up able situation based upon the lack of leadership from
the hit caup oh they blow like we can confirm that, yeah,
there's that's a bad football team through and through. And
I just apparently desperate too. I just think that, like
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when you look at it from the standpoint of what
Q just just explained, Like, you did take this team
to the playoffs your first year there, so what happened
from there till now for it to go as horribly
horribly bad as it did, if that becomes your baseline
of what your accomplishment level is supposed to be, and
(29:14):
I just don't know that day Ball can kind of
come through this unscathed, just considering that that's the standard
that he created so early on. I just don't I
don't think that there's anything to look at from this
season and say, yep, they're going in the right direction,
(29:34):
or all they need to do is this and they'll
be okay. So, if you're going to start over, don't
you think you should start over with a different coach. Yeah,
it seems to be logical.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, there was this story that came out. I'm not
sure whether or not a bi the legitimacy of it,
but Jonas what he got. So Aba Luise apparently she's
an OnlyFans model, and she shared a screenshot some DM,
(30:07):
a DM from I've.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Just went over top of you saying it.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
But you're already searching. He's already on his phone.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Well, she's posted a screenshot that she was trying to
do her part to help the Giants, and it was
a screenshot of a DM she got from an unnamed
Giants player saying that he would give her two free
tickets to the game if she would flash the Saints
to distract them.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
And she did it. Yeah, And so she allegedly showed
up and did it.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Isn't she that chick You flashed that portal thing too?
I think so. I think it's the same. This is
like her thing now she just flashing everyone.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So I don't buy it. TMZ Sports ran with it,
so I do not. I do not buy the story,
but you know she does. Some people have said maybe
it's photoshopped. I know some of it is not, that's
for sure, just based on the profile there and all that.
But if we're at the point now to where in
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the same game they're flying banners over the dumpster fire
and you've got OnlyFans models showing up to flash the
opposing team and still losing, Yeah, it might be time
to just go ahead and turn this whole thing over again,
especially when you have an opportunity to reunite with a
guy who loves the organization the way that he does,
and the potential of Shad or Sanders potentially possibly being
(31:31):
the pick there if they're able to continue to lose it.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
You think, so can we just go?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Can we just make a reckless comment here? Is that possible?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:42):
How could you fire a guy if you know you're
the head coach and you're paying only fans to distract
it a sideline?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
It's a great point.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I'm just saying, like it. I think that you're pulling
out all the stops. And if I'm an owner of
an NFL franchise and I know my co just trying
to do everything he possibly can to win an NFL game,
I don't know, Man, I couldn't move on from that guy.
That's that's the guy I want to build a team around.
That's the guy I want to build up, not tear down.
(32:13):
I'm just saying, like, think about the think about the
creativity to that. I mean, that wasn't a Bill Belichick
think the Patriots never did that. They weren't over there
trying to get OnlyFans, you know, shakes to distract their opponent.
I mean, that is top notch. That's over the top thinking.
I'm playing my flag right now, and I'm saying that
if that's the lengths that the Giants organization is willing
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to right now, if that's the direction that like, I
love it, I love it. Don't move on, don't blow
things up, you stay the course. You let them see
this thing through. That is next level thinking.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Apparently Antonio Brown tried to do and employ the same
thing with this Ava Louise Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
He tried to plant his flag.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Apparently wait, the smuggled her into his.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Room hidden that's right, and she went on, Yeah, she
was on Howard Stern I think afterwards detailing the the experience.
I'm with ab because that was when he ran off
the field, that MetLife without his shirt.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Off and lose his mind. Ye there you go, all right,
well now we have the truth. Get it.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Hey, By the way, what about Darren Rizzy? What about
Darren Rizzy in that game? Dude, there's no one who
brings more fire to a team than Rizzy. I'm telling
you right now, if you're the Saints, you need to
give him a lot of consideration to be your head coach.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Did you see Alvin Kamara pulling him back from yelling
at the punter?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
But also think about did you see the entire clip
where he like picked up his hat. He was trying
to pull him back. But that's the thing is he
holds guys accountable, man like in this day and age
where I think that is paramount to a lot of
other qualities about head coaches. You need, you need someone
who can hold these guys accountable because there's there's not
enough of that in call sports, in particular football and
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definitely not at the NFL level. But that guy will
fire up your team, that guy will give them a
lot of tough love. But from the times I was
around him, man, there's no one who is more respected
or on that level of being respected like any of
their coach and the staff and who's a special team's coordinator.
But we've seen John Harbaugh' there's been been some other candidates.
(34:23):
It's time for a franchise to start looking at these
guys and saying like they have a better feel for
the pulse of a team then sometimes the offensive defensive coordinator.
So hopefully, hopefully he ends up getting a shot at it,
because that team plays hard for him, man.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
And he's he'd be fun to kind of track him
throughout the course of his time there in New Orleans
as head coach with all the outbursts. Three and one
since he's taken over is Darren Rizzy and they played
some bad teams, but you know they seem to have
rallied around him. And what do you know, Derek Carr's
out again with an injury. So he went down pretty hard, man. Yeah,
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A little funk, sounds incredible.
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But they're still good. Time to find out what's lack?
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Speaker 5 (36:19):
What do we got?
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Well, guys, something that we have celebrated in our group chat,
but not yet on air after twenty long years, chea
cheese is making a comeback across the Country's.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Good news for everybody, although.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Of course you guys know I have been taking in
the chee cheese Long Island ice season at your local
seven elevens?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Nice? Wait? Really?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Is that that restaurant chains? Yeah? I mean it's got
the logo.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, so the restaurants close, but they still sling the drinks.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I guess. I guess.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
So they're really good too.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Surely I have one on me if you want to
see you really right now? Yeah? Well, it's too much
in beg What would you have a margarita in your gym?
It's a Long Island iced team long Sorry, yeah, called
the proper thing. Sorry.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
Yeah, I'm not gonna get bottled margaritas?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
What are we doing here? Like everybody else has got?
Is so protein? Lee he's got a long island right
next to my water bottle. So what's so great about
this che chese place? It's like, uh, mediocre Mexican food
or something like that.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
What do you mean, what's so great about it? Don't
act like you don't know about chee cheese.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
I don't. I don't I have real Mexican foods. I don't.
I don't really parta. Oh my god, of course that's.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Where you gotta go.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Well, they used to have hepatitis a whoa. Well, that's
why they closed down in the Pittsburgh area. They six
six hundred and sixty cases of hepatitis.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
He definitely their long gyland. You guys went there often
when you were growing up.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Oh yeah, all right, So what was the go to
that they've got to have in order?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Well, they're they're they're endless chips and salsa is delicious. Yeah.
The fried ice cream for your birthday was the best
because they would come over with like the mariachi band
and you would put on a big hat, you'd stand up,
everyone sing to you, Happy birthday, get the fried ice cream.
It was it was an experience. Look there, enchilotas were fine.
I mean, it was it was decent food.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I don't even remember what I ate there, honestly, I
just remember distinctly what the smell was and fried ice cream. Mexican. Yes,
there are Mexicans and our neckaa woods. My guy shouts
out to our Mexicans that are in our neck of
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the woods. I'll be the authority of that. Oh no,
you will not. You don't get to judge because you don't.
But it was interesting that they were in chee cheese.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Thought, oh no, what could they be for Manny's.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
I mean they probably were, Oh jeez, wow, what else
you got?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Lee?
Speaker 6 (39:06):
Well, guys, we have the Simpsons Funday Football tonight for
Monday Night Football between the Bengals and Cowboys. In case
you're going to be watching that, I think it's going
to be on Disney Plus simulcast.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Hey yeah, how.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
About that so you can watch that. By the way,
that this game was my super Bowl pick before the year. Interesting,
that's there you go, looking good? What a terrible year
on the couch, the couch super Bowl? Yeah, well, I'll
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we talked about the college football playoffs being set the
top twelve comes out yesterday, We've got the bye weeks,
we've got the playoffs, we've got the home playoff games
that are coming up. And then that was about an
hour before the early games in the NFL kicked off.
(01:19):
And there are some bad football teams in the NFL,
and it doesn't appear like it's getting any better. It
appears like we've got a race for the number one pick.
And I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.
I love the NFL as much as anybody, but this
is a rough watch this year.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
You just think this is a bit of an indictment
to on the quarterback draft class, like when you only
have one guy that everyone feels good about and then
it's kind of question marks behind that. I feel like
that's part of the issue. I don't know, it's either
that or just the fact that we've got, you know,
too many teams that there's just not a lot of
parody right now. In the end, so if you removed
(02:02):
obviously the Sunday night football game, five of the ten
games that were played yesterday there were double digit margins
of victory, and then some of the like the one
score games you had Jacksonville Tennessee. That game was six
to nothing until twelve minutes left in the fourth quarter. Okay,
New Orleans, New York Giants fourteen to eleven. All right,
(02:24):
two games where, if you were watching, offense was hard
to come by. Okay. And I understand Jacksonville Mac Jones
playing quarterback. You know, he's a Backup's not Trevor Lawrence.
I get all of that, but this is not a
great product, man, for people who watched some of those games.
And look, I'm as big of a Browns fan as anyone.
A couple of weeks ago, Browns beat Pittsburgh an awesome,
(02:46):
awesome night, awesome game. That game was nowhere close to
the last time these two teams played. Cleveland was never
in that game. So I just it felt like coming
off the back of conference championship weekend college football and
then watching that mess of games, it became apparent. And
I understand you're also looking at some of the best
(03:08):
of the best at college football in comparison, but also, dude,
you only got thirty two teams. Like, let's be real,
I just for fifty percent of your games basically before
Sunday a football or call it a little less of
that if you want to include Sunday a football, it's
got to be better. Like there should be more of
a concern I think for the NFL moving forward, and
until we probably see a dip in the ratings or
(03:29):
a dip in viewership, no one's going to seriously address it.
But I'm telling you right now, this is a big
time problem. Like fan bases, attendance and all that stuff,
they're going to struggle for some of these really really
bad teams. I know the TV money is so lucrative
that it probably doesn't change a lot as long as
they're making a profit or not having to spend a
(03:51):
ton of money on their franchise. But this is a
big time problem in my opinion for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Do you attribute it to the quarterbacks? I mean, if
you think about it, I think many how many dope
quarterbacks like Bona Fides are there in the league right now.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
There's there's three things I think overall it has to
do with quarterback play. But there's three things overall that
stand out. There is no longer the development of the
quarterback position the way it's being taught at younger ages.
I mean, I've told you guys like even pee football.
They're like in shotgun now, And I'm like, okay, Like,
can we not teach kids how to take a snap,
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how to drop back, even a sense of timing and
rhythm within the passing game at a pee wee age.
I mean, they're not doing it anymore. So there's elements
of how the game's played at the NFL level that
are being taught at like the rudermentory level of football.
That's a problem. So even when you get to the league,
not only do you not have that foundation of how
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the game should be played from the pocket and all
that stuff, but your quarterbacks are better passers because of
their their technical teaching from a throwing standpoint. So like,
in one instance they're better, but in another instance, as
far as playing the game, it's not the same. They're
not being taught the football the same way and all that.
So that's one struggle, Okay. The next struggle is to me,
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the offensive line. The offensive line play has got worse
and worse. Anyone who watches game, watch his tape will
tell you that it's getting harder and harder to find
guys that you could consistently rely on. And there's just
a huge gap between the offensive line athleticism and the
defensive line athleticism. Like that's what you're starting to see.
And you've seen teams convert guys who couldn't make it
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as a detackle into an offensive lineman because they're a
superior athlete and that's what they're up against. They can
teach them the technical skills, they can't teach them this
sort of athleticism. So the offensive line play, which inherently
impacts the quarterback play, has gotten worse and worse, which
is part of it too. And I think the third
thing is there's no patience with head coaches coaching staffs,
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which puts more pressure on the coaches who are there
to simply install, make sure guys know the game plan.
That's all they care about. They just care about the
winning of things. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't
care about winning. That obviously is number one. But behind
that used to be some form of development. There used
to be some period set aside every single day that
we're about the technical skills of playing quarterback and not
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just worry about the game plan and the install. That's
not the case anymore. There's so much pressure on coaches
in year one to win and show improvement right now
that they don't like if the guy's not playing, get
him out of the next guy, and like, we have
to do something to save our job, because that's what
they're most concerned with. So instead of being most concerned
about the quarterback position, the most important position, they're concerned
(06:48):
about their own livelihood almost a week in a week
out in the NFL. So like, those three things to
me stand out the most. But I mean, look, we're
transitioning to in a stage where, like we see these
running back starting to emerge, it's like, well, yeah, let's
get back to running the football more then, like until
your quarterback's ready to take that next step, you know,
not everyone needs to become Tom Brady in their first year,
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which people tend to forget. He sat and he watched
and he learned, and he wasn't asked to do the
things he was asked to do at the end of
his career at the beginning of his career, which ultimately
made him the greatest of all time.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Jaggs Titans Saints Giants. Neither one of those games should
have been played. They should have been canceled. I'm gonna
add to q's lists. I'm gonna at the physicality of
the game continues to be legislated out of it, and
the preparation is being modified so much that it's, in
(07:41):
my estimation, it's tanking the level of competition. So in
that development, in that in that preparation four season, the
way that they're approaching it is nowhere near as intense
as it once was. Defenses are being you know, I mean,
(08:05):
there's so much indecision, there's so much confusion and how
these guys are approaching how to hit and how to
tackle and what that looks like. And I think that
that's impacting the level of competition and the level of
play as well. And I think it's a major to me.
(08:25):
I feel like it's a major miss in some ways
to actually and what I believe bowed down to the
pressures of what was created publicly by the whole Concussions conversation,
and when I was saying earlier talking about you know,
(08:49):
people needing to be more responsible or be better at
doing their jobs when they're calling games, I mean just
the narrative and the perpetuating of like how some of
these hits are are discussed and how they're talked about
when they happen.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
It does no service. It actually does a disservice to
the game. Hearing guys that are calling it from the
booth in the ways that they're calling it because you're
you're you're further villainizing or you're further you know, making
it more of a dangerous like we're looking at this
(09:27):
as how dangerous this is versus it being a full
contact sport. You don't hear And I've I've watched hockey
at times, Like I'm not an avid hockey fan. I
don't watch it, you know, like all the time, but
I do watch sports. You don't hear the way we
(09:49):
discuss physicality and in football these days now, you don't
hear it discussed. You don't hear physicality and things that
take place like if some gets hit a certain type
of way in hockey or you know, whatever it may be,
you don't hear them talk about it that way. It's
almost like you have to make sure you talk about
(10:11):
a big hit and it's like brutalizing, Like you gotta
be careful on the words that you're using. But I
think it's ultimately becoming a part of what football culture
is is that this is a time frame where the
sport is actually trying to find a proper sturdy footing
(10:32):
on how you're able to play the game. You know,
one thing I thought of, it's interesting to me that
this is the day and age of where you have
more mobile quarterbacks than you ever had. Right think about this,
you are now the league is now transitioning into a
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space and time where it actually is looking at mobile quarterbacks,
dual threat quarterback more than they ever have. And yet
this is ultimately also the time where you can't touch
the quarterback. Like, how does that work? If a quarterback
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is going to be mobile? How does that work? Having
a mobile quarterback, the most mobile quarterbacks that you're going
to have in the league, you have it now, And
yet you're legislating being able to hit a quarterback out
of the game. How does that work?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They're not the rules are They're only protecting the quarterback
in the pocket though, Like that kind of more speaks
to I think some of the issues that I see
in quarterback play is there too many guys who are
reliant on trying to get outside the pocket where they
don't get those protections where they're going to take some
of those hits as opposed to playing from within the
pocket or they get that protection. Like that's one thing
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that's kind of stud out, I guess. And I also
think that the dual threat quarterback, it's important, like a
Byproduct's a bit of what's happened with a lot of
the spread offenses that are a part of the youth game,
is you get more youth offenses that have said, hey,
this guy in the past might have been a running back,
might have been another you know, player that we put
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in like in the wing team or putting at like
a you know, a wing back or something like that.
And instead now we're like, well, we're gonna put him
in shotgun. We're gonna run zone read and quarterback run
game from shotgun, and then we're gonna mix in some
RPOs and throws things like that as he continues to
develop along and so it's kind of again a byproduct
I think of a lot of the upbringing and what's
changed with a lot of the way kids are coached
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at a younger age. And I also think it falls
back into like, if your quarterback can't move, he's not
going to survive in the NFL. I mean a lot
of these guys are drafted to teams that have bad
offensive lines in the first place. It's one of the
reasons why they're not very good. And so if that
guy can't scramble, if he can't run, if he can't
affect the defense. You know, coaches one oftentimes quarterbacks who
(12:57):
can run or up the ability to because it eliminates
a lot of man defense, like go ahead and try
to play a man versus dude who can take off
and run and pick up a first down or pick
up a to you know, go get a touchdown with
his legs on a passing play. It scares defense is nuts.
So it's it's a very simplified defense. You're mostly gonna
get some sort of post high zone, maybe some quarters
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like that's kind of it. I mean, if it's a man,
it might be some form of zero where you've got
at least an extra defender who's gonna try to force
the ball out of his you know, his hand or
you know, something along those lines. So there is something
responsible for the quarterback. I mean, it's just you know
that to me has played a role in like the
dual threat thing. But as far as the physicality, I
think you're you're dead on even in regards to preparation
(13:41):
for a lot of players.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I'm looking at next week's games. I mean, tell me
you guys aren't just enthralled by Jets Jags, you know
in the in the early window and actually the games
next week are a little bit better than this past week.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
But I was gonna ask you though, like the Jets now,
aren't you know they're out of the playoff hunt? That's
what fourteen years in a row. It's the longest streak
of any Is it easy to watch it? I mean
outside of if you're betting or you have fantasy Like,
what do you I mean, what are you kind of
watching for at this point?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
That that's really the only if they can win? Like
how many losses will they have? I honestly, I think
I think you it's crazy, but people love watching suffering.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's it's gambling, it's fantasy football and Tony Man because
next week the fantasy how bad can.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
The Jets really be? People are watching to see. It's
like anything else. Aaron Rodgers has been on top. Even
in his down moments, they've been good. They just weren't
as good as they were when he was at the top.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Of the top.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You get an opportunity to watch a guy struggle, and
that's what people watch for. People watch to see how
how low can it go? With Aaron Rodger, I think
the most interesting parts of the Jets season have already happened,
the firings, the acquisitions, and the acceptance that they're just
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a terrible football team. And I think at this point
people are kind of over it. I think even look
when he does the interviews with you know, Pat McAfee
and starring AJ Hawk, I think people have kind of
that that those have kind of run their course for
a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So, I mean, he does have his documentary coming out
on Netflix, you know here, and what's it call Over
a Week Enigma? I think, yeahs interesting. So I just
I think people are over it, man, I really do.
And next week the only reason you would watch some
of these games is because fantasy football gambling.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I think that's the appeal.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Can we go to our resident I watch bad television
Leader Lap to see if he's gonna watch Enigma.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I don't plan on watching that.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
No, okay, And that's saying something because you watch so
many bad movies and so much bad TV that you're
not willing to even give.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
This a try.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Uh No, you know what, I'll probably dabble in it
a little bit. I doubt i'll give it my full attention.
I'll probably put it on and do something else.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Okay, So let's say Enigmas on. What is actually garnishing
your full attention while that that's on.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I'd be probably looking at the ayahuasca stuff. Maybe his
packer days. I don't care too much about the you
know what he's doing with jets.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I was gonna say, though, is it like Jack Daniels,
is that distracting you from Enigma? Like, what's what's distracting
you the most from actually watching the show? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Probably mixing some cocktails and uh and anything else really,
but maybe barbecue and doing anything other than watching Rogers.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Lee was high and dry this past weekend.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Apparently I did sneak up here, I snuff.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
That's not true, Johns. I mean, he's there's always something.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Why do you have to sneak it?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Also, why do you call it barbecue when you're really
just grilling out?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
That's true? Are you grilling? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'm not a barbecue Yeah, yeah, I'm not here a griller.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
I am a griller. Yeah that's good.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I mean, no leavar am I wrong? Like there's a
big difference.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
There is a difference. Yeah, you're right, there's a difference.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But like if people like go barbecue, like, oh okay,
but I just take a step back here. You're not
throwing stuff in a green egg or a tragger and
smoking it and taking the time to do that. You're
just throwing stuff on the grill.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, you're right, but I do at home or somebody like.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Go use the barbecue.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
You know, that's what I say.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
It doesn't make You're right, You're right, you're right. That's
like when you say, hey, I've got to take a
quick break and you leave during one of the segments
and you really want to take a dump. Like that's
entirely different.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, different things that it's completely different things.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Since we're on the topic, I forgot to ask you
guys this last week. Difference between barbecuing and grilling and
all that. What's the difference between pasta sauce and pizza sauce.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
There's a difference, a difference.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I don't know because my wife was making pasta last
week and we didn't have any sauce left, but we
did have pizza sauce and she said, no, I can't.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Marinara sauce is different than like tomato sauce. You like,
you can't use that in tomato bass But they're different. Yeah,
I don't know. I said you can't.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
There's apparently to her there is like it said the
jar said pizza sauce, so she can't use it in
her pasta.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
And I'm like, dude, it's marinera.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
It's it's a different consistency. Yeah, one's thicker, one's more,
one's more of a paste one.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I will I will ask the boss what the difference
is and we'll see what her response is. But she'll
most likely have a good response.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
On the chicken parm, what's the sauce of choice pasta? Marinara?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Neither, dude, you make you make a separate sauce. Yeah,
it's like a. It's like a. It depends, but she
makes a sauce for it. I personally lately have been
doing to a vodka sauce. If you really want to
make a good chicken parm, don't use a red sauce.
Use a voc sauce. It is outstanding, really, Yes, Okay,
that's what's been missing in your life, your guys lives
(19:07):
lev Art. You have to try that next time you
get a little parm deal with a bot. Trust me,
you'll be like, damn, I didn't know this existed. We'll
look it up. I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Okay, yeah, all right, all right, fair enough, See we
figured things out here.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
That's now did you handle a situation at home?
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Just now?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Are you going to play this play this segment like
conveniently in your like kitchen or something that you know
to settle the discussion point for me? But Joe and Joe, Yeah,
it seems like you're being passive aggressive.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, that like trust me, I
would be like step on the gas aggressive if you
know I knew the language like that would help. So
this is more just a conversation with you guys, because
I'm trying to get answers because whatever answer I got,
I couldn't understand. So there's that. So this is this
is where I get on sorted out how long you've
(20:01):
been married quatro years?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Okay, that's not very long. You're still getting to know
quatchoos or whatever they're called. What does that mean? I
don't know, okay, I'll let you know an hour four
it is.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I don't know why you don't use the same accent
you use when like I talked to you on the phone,
and then you talk to Andrew in your accent, you
do it completely different.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I just I don't like the character you try to
turn into on radio.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It's not a character.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I don't know what's being said, not that verbal the
same way you do on radio as you.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Do on normal phone guys or so say on the call.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
What do you mean? Like you want me to do
a tire rack read when I'm talking to you in
front of Andrew.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
No, I want you to not do your whole accent
thing when you're speaking to him. Then act like you
don't know any Spanish, and you know Spanish.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I don't. I know the bad words and I can't
use them at home. I know the bad words.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I don't get why you lie.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
This is not its real Life's.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Okay, it's okay to be a real person.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
There's there's no lie. Man Like, I don't know why
you paint me out to be some piaso. That's not
that's not the case. That's not how this works. But nonetheless,
I think we think I'm going with Q on this one. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think I believe you. I don't think I
believe you at all. It's been too long.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
It feels reckless. But okay, And you know, for what
it's worth knowing you the way that I know you,
You just your affinity for you know all of that.
You just you love it too much to not know it. Bro.
So I'm gonna say, without going too deep, yeah all.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Right, Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox and you come up
next here though from the tire rack dot Com Studios.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Uh. Speaking of bad, there's a uh it's gotten.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Real bad for one team in the NFL, and it's
gotten real desperate apparently for this one team in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
We will get into that for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
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a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
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Speaker 5 (22:15):
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Speaker 3 (22:16):
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the air.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
All bets are off. Sorry man, so.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Good, So we are going to have some Lee's leftovers
coming up here a little over fifteen minutes from now.
By the way, update here in the studio, LeVar has
taped the ankle and.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I just put a little compression on there.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
They got those a spandages back in the medicine cabinet
over there. Sweet, that look like you've done that at
a time or two.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
A little compression. Never heard anybody?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
How about a little depression? Anybody happen to get a
whiff of the Giants this year? Just whoa, that's a
bad football team? And uh so bad?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
How how how much? I mean you're saying so bad?
How much does that have to because I know everybody
continues to defend day ball? Right? Good coach? I mean,
is that going out the door?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Is it a rap? I don't think he's gonna be back.
I don't think he's gonna make it. And I don't
think he's gonna make it. I think it's gotten so.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Bad that how bad has it gotten?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well, there's a plane that was flying overhead that was asking,
h mister Mara, can you please fix this dumpster fire?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Someone paid for a plane to fly over the stadium.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, well they asked Malik Neighbors whether or not he
had paid.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
For it, and so that sounded said, mister Marra, please
fix this dumpster fire.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
How do you as a player, like, what are you
making that I ain't paid for plane?
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Like he didn't paid for it.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Brian dave Ball, did you happen to see the plane
that flew overhead?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Brian?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Were you were aware of the plane that flew over
before pregame?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
There was a chartered plane similar to seventy eight that
was imploring John.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
To fix the mess kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Did we aware of that pregame at all?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Agree then that there's a plane that's a you know,
mister marrack, please fix the dumbster fire.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, I would say, Look, we're you know, we won
two games, so not happy either, right? That game against
New Orleans was unwatchable. I mean, man, is that a
lower low? It's pretty low?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I mean, look like the we talked about the bad games,
like the Giants had been consistently awful all year, all year,
and I know that there was a thought that they
don't like the idea that they're turning and burning head
coaches and all that stuff. I just feel like it's
gotten to the point there to where.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
It won't be hard to bring him back. How you
justified at this.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Point, especially with Belichick out there, that's a wild thing,
I think.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I think the other thing is if you're an offensive
mining coach and you know your your offense is strongly
more so than your defense, it's kind of a problem.
Like it's like you should be able to figure out
a way to overcome this. Now, you came into the
season with a starting quarterback that everyone was on board
according to their offseason with this being the year that
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he's got to show out, didn't play well, got injured,
and went through the de Vido thing. Now of the
Drew Locke thing, it's it's you know, you're on the
third quarterback. It's hard to imagine the offense is going
to operate at a high level. But they're twenty six
in the league, and so that gives people ammunition because
you're an offensive minded head coach and you're supposed to
(25:58):
be more competitive than that. Despite the fact that they've
got injuries, you're number one playmakers, probably a rookie wide receiver,
which is tough to do if you're in league neighbors.
So that's one of the things that kind of stands out.
On top of that, they're last in the league in scoring,
so that speaks probably more to the quarterback situation than
maybe even does Brian Dabele. But they're off in the
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red zone, they're in the bottom half of the league
obviously on third down, and they struggle offensively, and so
that's the hard part. Like if you had the worst
defense in the league and you're like, hey, our offense
is still hanging in there. You're probably in your two
win team. You're probably saying, we have to make a
change of the defensive coordinator and you know, or build
on our defense more to get better and improved. But
we feel like we have the right guy. Knowing that
(26:42):
it hasn't worked out, you kind of look at it
and go, all right, can we give them another year?
And I think, look, I always preach patience with all this,
and I think one of the worst things that happened
to Brian Dable and the New York Giants was that
first year them being a playoff team that his first
year as head coach set an unrealistic expectation for where
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the roster was at and the team was at. And
there's other people who've fallen victim to that, but I
would say the Giants are right at the top of
the list where if you flipped around their records and
this was year one and his year one was this year,
there wouldn't be any conversation about whether or not he
should still be the head coach. We'd all sit there
and go, yeay, he still should be the guy there.
But unfortunately, after winning nine games, going to the playoffs
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in year one, and then the following season you go
six to eleven, then this season you're a two win team,
everything looks like it's trending in the wrong direction. That's
the tough part.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I don't see how you justified any other way to
keep him because there doesn't seem to be a definitive
direction that this team is going in other than well,
I mean, you can't blow up the defense. You know,
you still got guys on rookie contracts, not a bad defense,
(27:56):
but you definitely outside of elak neighbor is, I mean,
who else would you say, of note, do you say
it's an absolute must that you keep them?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Ava Luise?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
I mean I just think that you want to say
blow it up. I'm not going to mess with what
you what do you mean up right now? I mean
it could be a lead blow up. I need to
it might need to be able to blow up. And
if you're going to blow it up, then the question
(28:31):
now becomes did it become a blow up a blow
up able situation based upon the lack of leadership from
the hit caup oh they blow like we can confirm that, yeah,
there's that's a bad football team through and through. And
I just apparently desperate too. I just think that, like
(28:52):
when you look at it from the standpoint of what
Q just just explained, Like, you did take this team
to the playoffs your first year there, so what happened
from there till now for it to go as horribly
horribly bad as it did, if that becomes your baseline
of what your accomplishment level is supposed to be, and
(29:14):
I just don't know that day Ball can kind of
come through this unscathed, just considering that that's the standard
that he created so early on. I just don't I
don't think that there's anything to look at from this
season and say, yep, they're going in the right direction,
(29:34):
or all they need to do is this and they'll
be okay. So, if you're going to start over, don't
you think you should start over with a different coach. Yeah,
it seems to be logical.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, there was this story that came out. I'm not
sure whether or not a bi the legitimacy of it,
but Jonas what he got. So Aba Luise apparently she's
an OnlyFans model, and she shared a screenshot some DM,
(30:07):
a DM from I've.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Just went over top of you saying it.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
But you're already searching. He's already on his phone.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Well, she's posted a screenshot that she was trying to
do her part to help the Giants, and it was
a screenshot of a DM she got from an unnamed
Giants player saying that he would give her two free
tickets to the game if she would flash the Saints
to distract them.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
And she did it. Yeah, And so she allegedly showed
up and did it.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Isn't she that chick You flashed that portal thing too?
I think so. I think it's the same. This is
like her thing now she just flashing everyone.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So I don't buy it. TMZ Sports ran with it,
so I do not. I do not buy the story,
but you know she does. Some people have said maybe
it's photoshopped. I know some of it is not, that's
for sure, just based on the profile there and all that.
But if we're at the point now to where in
(31:08):
the same game they're flying banners over the dumpster fire
and you've got OnlyFans models showing up to flash the
opposing team and still losing, Yeah, it might be time
to just go ahead and turn this whole thing over again,
especially when you have an opportunity to reunite with a
guy who loves the organization the way that he does,
and the potential of Shad or Sanders potentially possibly being
(31:31):
the pick there if they're able to continue to lose it.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
You think, so can we just go?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Can we just make a reckless comment here? Is that possible?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:42):
How could you fire a guy if you know you're
the head coach and you're paying only fans to distract
it a sideline?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
It's a great point.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I'm just saying, like it. I think that you're pulling
out all the stops. And if I'm an owner of
an NFL franchise and I know my co just trying
to do everything he possibly can to win an NFL game,
I don't know, Man, I couldn't move on from that guy.
That's that's the guy I want to build a team around.
That's the guy I want to build up, not tear down.
(32:13):
I'm just saying, like, think about the think about the
creativity to that. I mean, that wasn't a Bill Belichick
think the Patriots never did that. They weren't over there
trying to get OnlyFans, you know, shakes to distract their opponent.
I mean, that is top notch. That's over the top thinking.
I'm playing my flag right now, and I'm saying that
if that's the lengths that the Giants organization is willing
(32:36):
to right now, if that's the direction that like, I
love it, I love it. Don't move on, don't blow
things up, you stay the course. You let them see
this thing through. That is next level thinking.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Apparently Antonio Brown tried to do and employ the same
thing with this Ava Louise Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
He tried to plant his flag.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Apparently wait, the smuggled her into his.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Room hidden that's right, and she went on, Yeah, she
was on Howard Stern I think afterwards detailing the the experience.
I'm with ab because that was when he ran off
the field, that MetLife without his shirt.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Off and lose his mind. Ye there you go, all right,
well now we have the truth. Get it.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Hey, By the way, what about Darren Rizzy? What about
Darren Rizzy in that game? Dude, there's no one who
brings more fire to a team than Rizzy. I'm telling
you right now, if you're the Saints, you need to
give him a lot of consideration to be your head coach.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Did you see Alvin Kamara pulling him back from yelling
at the punter?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
But also think about did you see the entire clip
where he like picked up his hat. He was trying
to pull him back. But that's the thing is he
holds guys accountable, man like in this day and age
where I think that is paramount to a lot of
other qualities about head coaches. You need, you need someone
who can hold these guys accountable because there's there's not
enough of that in call sports, in particular football and
(34:02):
definitely not at the NFL level. But that guy will
fire up your team, that guy will give them a
lot of tough love. But from the times I was
around him, man, there's no one who is more respected
or on that level of being respected like any of
their coach and the staff and who's a special team's coordinator.
But we've seen John Harbaugh' there's been been some other candidates.
(34:23):
It's time for a franchise to start looking at these
guys and saying like they have a better feel for
the pulse of a team then sometimes the offensive defensive coordinator.
So hopefully, hopefully he ends up getting a shot at it,
because that team plays hard for him, man.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
And he's he'd be fun to kind of track him
throughout the course of his time there in New Orleans
as head coach with all the outbursts. Three and one
since he's taken over is Darren Rizzy and they played
some bad teams, but you know they seem to have
rallied around him. And what do you know, Derek Carr's
out again with an injury. So he went down pretty hard, man. Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (36:08):
These might smell.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
A little funk, sounds incredible.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
But they're still good. Time to find out what's lack?
It's Lee's lap, all right to laugh?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
What do we got?
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Well, guys, something that we have celebrated in our group chat,
but not yet on air after twenty long years, chea
cheese is making a comeback across the Country's.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Good news for everybody, although.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Of course you guys know I have been taking in
the chee cheese Long Island ice season at your local
seven elevens?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Nice? Wait? Really?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Is that that restaurant chains? Yeah? I mean it's got
the logo.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, so the restaurants close, but they still sling the drinks.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I guess. I guess.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
So they're really good too.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Surely I have one on me if you want to
see you really right now? Yeah? Well, it's too much
in beg What would you have a margarita in your gym?
It's a Long Island iced team long Sorry, yeah, called
the proper thing. Sorry.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
Yeah, I'm not gonna get bottled margaritas?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
What are we doing here? Like everybody else has got?
Is so protein? Lee he's got a long island right
next to my water bottle. So what's so great about
this che chese place? It's like, uh, mediocre Mexican food
or something like that.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
What do you mean, what's so great about it? Don't
act like you don't know about chee cheese.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
I don't. I don't I have real Mexican foods. I don't.
I don't really parta. Oh my god, of course that's.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Where you gotta go.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Well, they used to have hepatitis a whoa. Well, that's
why they closed down in the Pittsburgh area. They six
six hundred and sixty cases of hepatitis.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
He definitely their long gyland. You guys went there often
when you were growing up.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Oh yeah, all right, So what was the go to
that they've got to have in order?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Well, they're they're they're endless chips and salsa is delicious. Yeah.
The fried ice cream for your birthday was the best
because they would come over with like the mariachi band
and you would put on a big hat, you'd stand up,
everyone sing to you, Happy birthday, get the fried ice cream.
It was it was an experience. Look there, enchilotas were fine.
I mean, it was it was decent food.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I don't even remember what I ate there, honestly, I
just remember distinctly what the smell was and fried ice cream. Mexican. Yes,
there are Mexicans and our neckaa woods. My guy shouts
out to our Mexicans that are in our neck of
(38:41):
the woods. I'll be the authority of that. Oh no,
you will not. You don't get to judge because you don't.
But it was interesting that they were in chee cheese.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Thought, oh no, what could they be for Manny's.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
I mean they probably were, Oh jeez, wow, what else
you got?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Lee?
Speaker 6 (39:06):
Well, guys, we have the Simpsons Funday Football tonight for
Monday Night Football between the Bengals and Cowboys. In case
you're going to be watching that, I think it's going
to be on Disney Plus simulcast.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Hey yeah, how.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
About that so you can watch that. By the way,
that this game was my super Bowl pick before the year. Interesting,
that's there you go, looking good? What a terrible year
on the couch, the couch super Bowl? Yeah, well, I'll
have a good Monday
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