December 12, 2024 • 39 mins
NFL teams start selling off parts of their franchise thanks to private equity cash infusion. Ohio proposes the ‘softest’ policy vs ‘planting the flag.’ And Jimmy Haslam backs Kevin Stefanski, but is open to all options at QB next season.
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
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Speaker 4 (01:19):
All right, so off and running here an hour two
of the program. What the hell is going on with
this private equity infusion? Brady, watch your money, your mister,
finance this.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh did you see the Eagles some by the way,
you know what bothers me a little bit about all
this is some of the investors who got involved for
Tracey McGrady, Vince Carter, more power to them.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
They made a ton of money play in the NBA.
And maybe it's because.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
NFL owners don't want former NFL players having a piece
of some of this, but I and oftentimes like they
don't want to have fifty guys who are a part
of a group you're investing into it.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
It's easier to have two. I mean, I just that's
how it works.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It is disappointing though, that you can't have more former
NFL players investing into the sport that's given them a lot,
and in a way it helps maybe take care of
them somewhat financially too, depending on the structure. But I'll
get off that, you know, tangent for a second. So
the Eagles had an infusion of cash from private equity.
They were valued over eight billion dollars, so you can
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only have up to about ten percent that you can
sell off in private equity, which I believe they sold
off what was a eight percent in something like that,
So the numbers come around somewhere to approximately like six
hundred million dollars. Yeah, which I mean there's there's obviously
a lot of things you can do with that, right.
You can do stadium upgrades, some different things that you
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need to help the infrastructure of the actual team to
bring in more revenue. You can spend that cash, or
some of that could be on free agency. Maybe there's
a three to five year plan on how much of
that cash gonna be spending on free agents. And I'm
sure there's a portion that you know, if you're looking
at the ownership, like Jeffrey Lourie might be saying, I'm
gonna put a little my pocket too, Like it's about
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time I can enjoy the fruits of this, because you know,
professional sports teams don't make as much as everyone thinks.
They're extremely expensive operation. But either way, you just saw
the Eagles do this. You're gonna hear more and more
teams are gonna start announcing these private equity partners and
it's in exchange for the owners being able to cash
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out a little bit and go enjoy themselves.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Maybe they buy yacht.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I don't know, but I think it's good for the
league in the sense of anyone who wants to rebuild
a stadium, anyone who wants things improved, you know, as
far as everything else out around that organization, it's gonna help.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
At least it should help.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I mean, I just don't get any of it. And
I'll be honest with you, it's at a level of
finance that I don't understand. They might want to pull
some of their money out of it too, right as
meaning the owners, Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I mean that's part of it, Like they're selling
off because at this point I me thank about Jerry Jones.
He bought the Cowboys for what are hundred million or something,
three hundred million whatever it was. Now they're worth ten billion.
I mean yeah, you never see the fruits of that
asset truly, unless you're able to sell off some of
the equity, like that's the real multiple to it. Yeah,
you get some cash fall off whatever the operations are.
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But at the end of the day, if you really
want to be a successful business, especially in professional sports,
a lot of what you're making and profit you're putting
back into the business. That's just how it works. So
unless you win the Super Bowl, which Cowboys fans know
that more than anyone else, it's been a while. They
do have a robust operation, though with everything else going
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on around the team, it's just to be hard, you know,
for them to be able to take a bunch of
that cash put in their pockets. It's not the same
type of operations running other businesses in that sense.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys for one hundred and forty million.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Good god, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, So, I mean at some point you got to
cash out, and this is some of their opportunity. Although
the people investing, like if I was going to be
a part of one of these groups, I'm like, well,
all right, I'll give you a bunch of money, but
what are you doing with it? Like there's a use
of proceeds of how do you plan on spending it?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Like what's your plan? You're not just going to take
this and.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Go buy a yacht that we get to hang out on. Now,
I mean, that doesn't do anything for me. That didn't
do anything for my kids. So there's a thought to like,
what are you doing with the money that I've given
you and you have to kind of, you know, hold
them up to that. But usually what happens to when
you invest into these sorts of deals is this is
what's called tag along drag along rights. So outside of
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the funds you're giving them, you really can't do a
ton to change whatever they're going to do with the money,
right Like, if they're saying, hey, we want to spend
money on these free agents, it's not like you have
a ton of save as a limited partner, because that's
what these people are. They're limited as far as what
they can say and do even though they're a part owner.
You're essentially getting the ability to walk down the sidelines
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and be like, yeah, I've got a piece of this,
but I don't really have much, you know, much to
do with the control of how the team's operated outside
of you know, maybe given my my insight here or
then what.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
They want to I mean, outside of certain individuals like that.
Look at Tom Brady, like, sure that makes sense that
Tom would want some creative inputs, some direction and where
the franchise is going. But maybe that I mean, you
you mentioned the whole idea of you know, these equity
opportunities for football players versus basketball players. I mean, would
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a basketball with Vince Carter withold Tracy McGrady come in
and be like, yeah, this is not being done correctly here.
Why are we not looking at, you know, getting this
type of coach or this type of personnel, you know,
employee whatever may a scout? Like what what about that
tight end? I don't know how I feel about this
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tight end over here? You know the cheerleaders, I don't
I don't know how. I mean, are they gonna are
they even gonna want to come in and have the
those types of input anyway?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I've wondered about that with Magic Johnson. How much input
does he have with the Dodgers? How much input does
he have with the commanders since he's part of those groups?
Like or is this just hey, here's.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Some mind doubt there's guys, I doubt there's input on
how the team is ran. I'm just being like, I mean,
let's be real, and why would you want to Yeah?
Why would you? Why would you want to risk it
like something that you don't you don't really know much about.
I mean, you could be a fan, it's one thing.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You could.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
You could even play football and not know how to
handle the cert of the duties that are necessary for
a football team to be successful, you know, and I
just you just have to have a to me, you
have to have a qualification to be able to do
those things. So you're going to hire the right people.
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Now the question becomes, are you going to have a
say in those people who are being hired? You know?
How does that work? Like, oh, I know Vince Carter. Like,
I'm like, I could use myself as an example. I
know Vince Carter. I know Vince pretty good, like a
cool friend. Like do I hit Vince Carter up? And
I'm like, hey, Vince Man, you know, I love to
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be a scout, you know, possibly maybe be a GM
you know what I mean? Like this guy, y'all got man.
I mean, I know y'all winning and all that stuff,
but you know, let's, you know, let's shake it up
a little bit. Like I don't know that that's going
to be what the situation is. I don't I don't.
I don't see it being, you know, that type of
cronyism or whatever people however people call it. I don't
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see that taking place. You're putting your money somewhere where
you feel like it's a safe, safe place where you
could get moderate gains off of what what you've invested
your dollars in.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
The tough thing is is getting that money back out.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Like as a majority owner, you obviously dictate to everyone else,
like when they're going to get their return, or if
you're selling off equity, how it's going to work out.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That's why I said those like tag Along Dragonong Rights
team sold great. There's an event where you're probably going
to be able to cash out if you want. But
for the most part is whoever the majority owner is,
they're dictating to you how things are going to go,
So you could be I mean, it's like putting your
money in something that yeah, it's great. I can look
at my you know, the valuation of the team and
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look at my equity and equity in that and it's
it's gaining in value and or you know it's it
looks great, But I can't pull it out.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I can't do much with it.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You know, often you can't even you know, sell that
portion of equity unless there's specific language within it, and
even then you probably need approval from a lot of
the other equity holders.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
How does that work in terms of being able to
leverage that equity for other things. That probably is it
would be there would be some value.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There is that there's probably something within the language.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Of that protection against that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, because because think about it like you don't if
you're Jerry Jones. We'll just use Jerry Jones as an example.
Where Jeffrey Laurie, because it's the Eagles when we were
talking about them.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
He's looking at it saying, well, I don't want this guy.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
If he defaults to use this, that's collabali right correct, right,
Like it took us this long to be.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Able to vet these guys that come in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Now I've got some guys going to be part of it,
I mean the financial wherewithal to invest into it in
the first place. That's one of the reasons why you know,
you put up and you know these you have to
be a credit investors to make certain investments. Well, this
is one of the reasons why you know, you look
at a situation like that and say, well, Jeffrey Lord
doesn't want some guys who doesn't know coming in the ownership.
(10:26):
So no, and that in that case it would not
be able to be used as collateral on any any way.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Shape or form.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Then that now becomes to me, that becomes a question
of if you're putting your money up to have that
equity stake, what is the true value of having it?
That would be my question.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
It depends upon the structure and the and the deal.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Sometimes like so here's the interesting thing to me about this,
and I know we might be boring. Some people are
driving into a ditch on the road right now. But
what makes it really interesting is sometimes you know, you
get this infusion of capital, but private equity wants a
return on their investment, right, Like that's if you look
at the structure and what they're looking for. They want
a certain return and a certain timeframe for the people
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who invest with them. So in this case, you know,
maybe it's five years. So they're looking at at some
point either giving x amount of cash and then having
this equity stake that after five years it's going to
increase in value and then they can sell that off, right,
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And that's how they make their return from the private
equity side.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And then the team succeeds because of this cash infusion.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So Jeffrey Lori and the Eagles win, and that's how
that's how it works theoretically now, whether or not in
five years the Eagles are doing well and they're you know,
winning super Bowls, are competing for Super Bowls, we'll have
to wait and see. But that's typically how you think
it would be structured, because otherwise you're in it for
the long run and there's really no way of you
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getting your money back, even though it's increased in value
and appreciated, there's no way of realizing that. So that's
that's the hard thing. That's why, Like in certain depending
on certain leagues and sports teams, et cetera, if there's
a plan where you go in and say, hey, in
three years, this is what we're doing, you know, and
like in full disclosure, like in some deals I've done, like, hey,
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this is the plan. In three years you invest. If
the team has this amount of success, we're cashing out.
We're making money. If they don't, you're probably taking a
fifty percent cut on your loss because we're not in
this for the long haul. We renting for the short term.
We're trying to infuse capital to help this team win
and get to a certain level. Right, that's most likely
how they ended up kind of structuring it or discussing it.
(12:37):
I don't know that we'll ever learn those details.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I mean, listen to somebody who has the up on
Game Network.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I mean, you should be stupid.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm just saying you could get Matt's signed to you know,
introduce you walk into the room and stupid live stream
all of it and stupid not say a word anything
about two pros and a cup of shoe.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes, I had nothing to.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Do with it. I mean, you be one of the
investors for if they ever had I thought I thought
I was your boy, and then you know, if they
ever have a team in London, thought.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You was my boy too, and didn't see you.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I thought, here's the problem is, once you walked up
on stage and they announced you, I was like, I'm
gonna walk up there, and then then you guys were
all lining up. I was like, well, now I can't
do it because like that's gonna look awkward. And you
were all you were all the way on the other
side of the room when they announced you. Yeah, I
didn't so even then, like it would have it would
have been so weird for me to be like, hey,
(13:31):
what's up.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
If you would have stood up, I would have saw you,
you know, if you would have stood up.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You don't know from where our table was, honestly, don't.
I don't think you would have been able to see me. Maybe,
but it was dark in there.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
You guys were lit up, but we weren't.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, I didn't even know where you were. What you mean, got,
I just didn't know.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Petro's asked, where's Everybody's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I didn't tell you.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Yeah, you had a flight, man, you had to you
had to cut out a little earlier.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I did have a flight.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I did.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I got did cut out early for that what hour fight? Yeah,
forty minutes. I had to get to the airport, John, Yeah, yeah, anymore,
what do you have to be there so early? I
was trying to get there for for player interviews, you know,
because I do content for that fact, So I was
(14:20):
in a rush to try to get there as early
as possible for you know, they do a press conference
for the new inductees. So I missed it anyway, missed it.
Got there like maybe like twenty minutes after it had
finished up. So literally, so it is what it is.
I tried, though I had a chance to get lit
(14:40):
up though while you're out there. Yeah, man, I mean
that that was a good part. You know, that was
a good part. But I was there to work. I
definitely was there to work.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, this dude, I love Vegas. Like Vegas is great
for short stants.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Just dude. Yeah, he was sitting next to the in
the bar area. He was living his life. You know
what it was, you know who he was. He was
lead to lab yeah in probably thirty some years and
just chilling smoking a cigar by himself. No one's even
around him, but like smoking a cigar, I'm not even
(15:15):
sure if you're allowed to are supposed to him there
he probably can and just I mean he was in
a bathroom initially, which.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Was like it's four forty five pm, like what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Just like like a very like nice area too where
this bar was just in a bathroom smoking a cigar,
living his best's life, and it looked like he was
kind of almost talking to himself at times, and they
kind of got up and walk around, waltz around, they'd
sit back down. They left, and he came back and
he was like going a pair of sweatpants and a
T shirt and just like living his best life man.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Had a couple of martinis. I was like, this guy's awesome.
I don't know what he's doing here, but he's got
to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well, listen, now we've got to figure it out here
and Two Pros and a couple of ye Fox Sports
Radio coming up next here from the tyraq dot com Studios.
Somebody's gonna have to defend their home turf. Literally, they're
gonna have to defend their home turf after after this
story yesterday, that'll be yours next here on FSR.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
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Speaker 4 (16:30):
This must be a sweet gig.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
What do you want?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
You record this one time? I didn't know if she's
ever performed it live, and you just make residuals the
rest of your life.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yeah, that's pretty nice. A lot of people in hiding,
it feels like with all the Diddy stuff right now,
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (16:48):
What do I ask your question that you know the
answer to?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Are you like like, who are you talking about here?
When you say like people going into hiding.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It just feels like there's a lot of people who
have they out here, right, and some yeah excused absences. Dang.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, the Lebron stuff's a little odd. You know, he's
out for personal reasons.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
I wasn't insinuating Lebron.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
There's a lot I mean, unless that's.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
What you mean. He's a lot of performers.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It's just it's just interesting how you know, Lebron was
dead set on wanting to play every single game this year,
that was his goal, and then you know, randomly a
couple of weeks ago he decided he wasn't going to
partake in social media any longer. And then now he's, uh,
he's away from the team for personal reasons.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
A lot of timing well, and I think physically, if
there's an issue, you understand given his age and how
much he's played. That's why I would have just said
he's got a soft tissue injury.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, but I'm not going to touch this one, you know. Yeah,
I really touch a lot of them, but hey, you're
going to touch this one.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I don't know. Roger.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Thank goodness for me, I've never gone. I've never done those,
so I didn't have to take any leave absences or
I don't know about the lead never never never did
a Diddy party never, And and the parties that I
was close to being at that were comparable to those
I left. And that's a true story. That is a
(18:19):
very true story. Have I ever told y'all that off
air and no? Oh, bro, Well, there was one guy
and he's a guy and y'all would know his name
if I said it. It was one of them type
parties celebrity or after Yes, well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And that und I don't want to know any more
of this.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But I left Jonas is the type for all of
a sudden you get served with like a lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Me.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yes, I mean I was just asking if, like, if
you just give out his Twitter.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I didn't see anything, I didn't experience anything because I left. Yeah,
So just so you know, I don't have to go
on leave, just so y'all know I'm here. I'm here
with y'all for the duration. We're happy about it.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'd gladly rather talk by this subject though, than what
you have on the Rundown.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So what do you what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Whatever you tease before him.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well got to defend baby.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Listen, Brady Quinn, step right up. All right, you are
the the face of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
All right.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
You are the pride and joy of Dublin slash Columbus, Ohio.
A lot of people don't know this, but I call
it the six to one four you know. But again,
you are representing that fine state. It's a beautiful state
and it's also a state that's looking for some change.
Because I'm a state representative from Ohio by the name
(19:36):
of Josh Williams has proposed something called the Ohio Sportsmanship Act,
which would quote prohibit planting of a flagpole and flag
at the center of the Ohio Stadium football field on
the day of a college football game. And that is
(19:56):
how you respond to a loss at home to your
art tribal You go ahead and try and get a
law put in place to where there wouldn't be allowed
to plant their flag at the horseshoe. Ever, again, this
is unbelievable that this is a real story.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And I'm sorry to any Ohio state fans, any folks
and residents in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
That disagree with me.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But this is the softest thing that has ever been
proposed in the state legislator across the country. Okay, and
that includes a lot of soft, soft things that have
been proposed in other states. We lost a football game.
We don't need to make policy all right after losing
(20:45):
a football game. And spare me the angle and the
political talk of well, it's about keeping our law enforcement safe.
Are you serious? I mean, they use pepper spray on
these guys who are on a field after a game.
They lost a game.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Can we stop?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I mean, look, I don't know Josh Williams. I'm sure
he's a really nice guy. I kind of went down
that wormhole and he's got a lot of other great policies.
He's trying to help the state of Ohio focus on that.
This is not an issue that we needed to stand
on our soapbox and start preaching like, oh, this is
the problem with our country. This is a problem with Ohio.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
There's all this flag planning going on.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's a rampant issue. No, it's not focus on something
where there's people who need help and other issues in
the state and across the country. If other states start
doing this crap, which, mind you, this will be the
first state I think that's doing this. Let's not be
a first mover on some sort of policy that's this soft.
Like this is I mean, if you want Michigan to
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live rent free in your head every single year, like
this is the way to do it. Where you lose
a game and you have to create policy because a
team tried to plant their flag into a turf field.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
It's not even possible.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, you can't even implant it, Like it's the whole
thing is so stupid.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I cannot believe. I don't care if it's at the
state level.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I just cannot believe a politician would then try to
make legislation office or propose it. It is ridiculous. And again,
spare me the safety of the police. That it wasn't
a safety issue for the police, all right, this, if anything,
should have been controlled by the coach or both coaches
in that case, Sharon Moore and Ryan Day, Like you
(22:38):
had sixty minutes to prove it on the field. Once
that ends, dude, go in the locker room, Go figure
out how you can try to win next year. Go
try to figure out how you can try to go
go in the playoff, win a national championship, because your
opportunity to defend that turf just died for the fourth
straight year.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
It is the softest thing I can recall my lifetime.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Is this the worst that they've handled or lost to
Michigan in Columbus? I know there haven't been a lot
outside of the last four years, but is this the one?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I Mean, people will ridicule me for saying this, but
I would say this is an example of why you
would make that case.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
But also there wasn't even like a reaction.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think the thing that bothered me from the fan
base is like typically, like when I was growing up,
and then again during the John Cooper era, like if
they won, people would be partying, You'd be excited, even
though they didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
That's why John Cooper got fired.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But when they lost, they'd be like burning cars, I mean,
burning couches out there on the streets down on campus
like it was. It was a scary deal and I'm
not advocating for that in any way, But there was
this there was this frustration, this anger, this emotion that
came out. What's sad about now is it's almost like
Ohio State fans have resorted to the fact of yeah,
(23:57):
we just can't beat them. It's like it's like a
little bit sad and depressing, like they're just nowadays, it's just, yeah,
they're just better than us.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
I guess like there's like there's almost like no.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Emotion attached to it, not saying they're okay with it,
but almost as if it's not like the anger like
it used to be. And I guess we'll find out
how ticked off Ohio State is. I mean, I again
grew up in an era where kids were coached different,
they were todd different. Mickey Muradi was there in Ohio State,
was my strength coach, and he was the type where
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if you would have lost like this, I could only
imagine how he would have handled things back then, because
if we had lost like that to end the season
yet we still had a shot to go play for
a national championship, he might have had us in there
the next day at six am and running until we puke,
or lifting and you know, like squatting or leg pressing
like six hundred pounds for sets of forty. Like you
(24:52):
go into you can't, I'll strip off a plate. You
go into your cant I'll strip off another plate. And
I remember those days training with them, thinking to myself, like, dude,
I want to give up. I want to give in.
But that was his whole thing is he was pushing
you past your breaking point. I don't know that you
can coach these kids like that anymore. And I think
it's part of the problem because I think they might
be still trending like that in Michigan. At least it
(25:13):
seems that way. I mean, you guys, tell me I'm crazy,
but because I've got a different perspective because I grew
up in Columbus, Ohio. But this is the softest thing
I've ever seen happen around this robbery and around sports.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It just makes it so much worse, like it makes
everything because then it looks like, not only did you lose,
but you couldn't even handle it in a way that
is representative of how much success the program is. Ad
you're just accepting the l and then you're crying about
it afterwards and say you're not allowed to plan our
flag here.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
It's terrible.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's just the whole thing. And that's why watching it
when you're asking the quot When we talked about the
game on Monday, and it was like, I don't know,
could you tell on TV that the stadium was starting
to turn like oh yeah, like you could see that
this one felt bigger than some of the some of
the other ones, because I think they went into that
game thinking, oh, this is.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Going to be a keke wa.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I mean, look, we're three touchdown favorites.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I mean, this is our year.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
We're going to get our revenge. We're on our way.
And like the longer the game went on and the
closer the game was, you just felt like Michigan's going
to make enough plays to win that game. And it
was like everybody in the stadium got the same sense.
And there's nothing they could do about it except put
a law in place to try and make sure that
you can't plant your flag there. And then Charon More
is at a Michigan basketball game doing the flag planning
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sign on the big screen when they go to it,
like he's totally embraced this whole thing, while everybody else is,
you know, trying to put in legislation.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I just shot.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You know what the worst part is is they're I
think they admit it a felony too. They're trying to
make it a felony, which is even more absurd. I mean,
are you are you really do you really care that
much about it? You want to put this on some
kid's record who's a college I mean, for you would
have put a felonios record for planning a flag. You're ridiculous,
(27:04):
that is.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I was thinking to myself, all right, you have a
fight ensueing a fight breakout, like you're more worried about
the flag getting planted than there being you know, physical
altercations that take place. And listen, I grant, grant. I
know that they're saying, okay, it puts places the police
in harm's way or whatever it is that they're saying.
(27:27):
But I just I think that the premise of what
this is all about is it's just it's all off.
I mean, if anything, I would say, if you think
about competition and what competition has always represented, and and
(27:48):
you get back to the basics of what was created.
You created sports clubs to be able to compete against
other sports clubs. Your team consisted of people from that place.
Right now, everything is evolved, it's changed, and we gotten
(28:09):
so far away from what the origin of sports represented.
But if you really go back to the origin of
what sports represented. If you played against Pittsburgh the college,
you know where those kids were from Pittsburgh. If you
played against somebody from Ohio State, you know where they
were from Ohio. And so when you think about it,
(28:32):
we're saying, we want to see if Ohio is better
than Pittsburgh or whatever. Fill in the blanks. You want
to see who has the better club when you compete.
So in that sense, you're basically saying, if we come
in and we play you in Ohio and we're from Pittsburgh,
(28:54):
if we want to plant a Pittsburgh flag, so to speak,
in Ohio, it's because we came in and we beat you. Right,
kids from this place came in and beat the kids
from that place. That's what sports represents. It's what it
has always represented. Now it's decentralized, and it's people that
(29:17):
come from all over the place and they play in
one place, but they still the premise of your Ohio
state that represents Ohio. That's still there. And so to me,
when I look at somebody trying to make this a law,
it kind of defeats the purpose of what really true
competition represents, because to say that planting a flag is unsportsmanlike,
(29:41):
is I would say that's inaccurate. In fact, it's almost
sportsmen like to say that they should be unimpeded from
planting the flag because they, for the day, for that
moment in time, conquered that piece of land. Just like
the number one podium spot. It's like, all right, are
(30:06):
you gonna Are you gonna get mad at the person
who won the gold medal because they went up and
stood on the gold medal posts that at at number
one on that on that track in that stadium. No,
you're not, because your reward for winning is to stand
above the rest of everybody else that lost. So to me,
(30:30):
it's just another further symptom of our society and of
our culture that everybody gets a medal for participation and
all this other stuff. Like if I were Ohio and
I were the people that saw this being the representation
of who we are, I would I would be outraged.
I would actually want people to know that we're not
(30:51):
that soft. This is not who we are, This is
not what we represent. I don't know who did this
or put this evil on us, but this is not
representation of us. Because to me, you're basically saying we
would we would rather have a law that say is
we're not willing to compete. We're we're telling you and
(31:12):
we're letting you know we're not willing to compete. And
we and we want you to be penalized for beating
us and being better than us. That's that's what they're saying.
We want a law for you being better than us.
So I just you know, I'm glad it wasn't Pennsylvania.
(31:32):
I glad. I'm glad it wasn't Pittsburgh that did this.
And to the lawmakers who are pushing for this to
be a felony and even put this in uh taxpayers,
you know, put that in the dossier and put it
in the meetings and all that stuff, shame on you.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Hey, if Ohio State loses to Tennessee, which wouldn't be
the craziest thing in the world, but they lose at
home to Tennessee, Ryan Dan trouble.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Like how I keep going back to the timing of
all of it, It would be it would be really
tough in my opinion, to move on from him at
that point in time in the season. I mean, you'd
have to have someone lined up that you feel really
good about that the fan base would feel good about too.
And I don't know, I mean blown out one thing.
I mean maybe the way you lose matters, but I
(32:23):
don't know. It's it would be so difficult. It'd be
so difficult, I think, to make the move at that point,
and you kind of wonder how the portal will be
impacted by it.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I just.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I mean, who can to hire people? Be like, oh,
Vrabel will do it. I'm like, no, man, I mean,
he probably would rather go to an NFL team. Maybe
I'm wrong, maybybe he'd rather go back to Ohio State.
I have no idea. But if it's not Ryan Day,
like who you're hiring, I mean Erban Myers already made
a statement say he's not coming back. So I mean,
why make the change just to make the change because
(32:59):
you had a loss, Like usually want to invest into
the coach, figure out how to turn this thing around,
how to figure out how to maximize the talent and
potential of a team that reportedly spent twenty and a
half million dollars on the roster. That's why I would
invest my time in surely not policy at the state
level to make flag planning a felony. I mean, I
(33:24):
just there was actually a bill to I believe, in
the state of Ohio to allow schools to directly pay
student athletes and io.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
That was one of the things that.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I believe was introduced and I would assume would be
passed with everything coming, which would make things easier for
Ohio State to compete in the Anio world. That is
a legislation that if you really want to help out
the Buckeyes, that's something that matters. That's something that's significant.
This whole flag planning thing is an absolute joke, and
(33:59):
it's something if you're a politician and this is like something,
oh this is my bill, it's like, well, this is
it's gonna be hard for people want to support you
for how this looks. All right, I'm just saying it's terrible.
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more interested in the fact that the Kansas City Chiefs
are having to play three games and eleven days, or
(35:20):
more interested in the fact that Jimmy Haslam, the owner
of the Cleveland Browns, has said that he believes in
trust and Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski and that they'll
figure out the quarterback situation in the off season, all right,
Which you.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I would? I would? I would? Well, first off, that
was my question, Jonahs, So I appreciate you go ahead
and stealing that, hey, because that was what I was
gonna pose to you. Guys.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
It's like, who do you think is back next season?
Watson or Stefanski?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, uh.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Uh, that's I mean, at first glance, I would say
if I had to choose between the two, but I'm
not so sure that it isn't Deshaun Watson with a
new coach. And I think the reason being is if
(36:17):
it's a financial investment in trying to get an ROI
on your already afy financial investment, it's less egregious to
look for coach that you could possibly get production out
of Deshaun Watson versus getting rid of Deshaun Watson and
(36:38):
moving forward with Kevin Stefanski. That would be the only
reason why I would say logic would lean on the
side of try to find a coach that can can
get the best out of Deshaun Watson, and Deshaun Watson
would be the one that would be returning over Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I think would get hired this offseason if they like.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
But that's not the question.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
But I'm just saying one's in demand and one's not.
It should make the decision. But that's even more reason
to get rid of Kevin Stefanski because you can't get
rid of Deshaun Watson without it being a heavily costly
you know, departure of getting rid of them.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
You know what, I'd love to look up.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It'd be hard to find off the top four heads here,
but the record of Stefanski in Cleveland without Deshaun Watson
versus with Watson, which actually, let me just do this
really quick, because I do think if you if you
looked like he's he's forty and forty as a head
coach for the Browns and he's dealt with an absolute
(37:44):
crapag with different quarterbacks having to start, which has been difficult.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
So let's see, that's nine and was that?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So Watson's nine and ten as a starter in Cleveland,
So he's only a couple of games above five hundred
as far as with quarterbacks outside of Watson during his
time in Cleveland, which I would then say, like, that's
pretty good all things considered, Yeah, because that hasn't been
your game plan for the past two years. Obviously, Watson
(38:14):
started the suspension in twenty twenty two, so who is
coming back, so he wasn't gonna have the full slate there.
But it's pretty damn good. I mean, all things considered,
playing with essentially backups for the past three years.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I mean, the guy you gave all that money to
has been the worst quarterback on the Browns since he's
gotten there. Like, there's nobody on the Browns that's played
quarterback that's been worse than him, Like I set like
Dorian Thompson Robinson, I don't even think he's been worse
than him. Like didn't Josh Dobbs get a little playing
time as well too. I'm pretty sure he did better
than Deshaun Watson did. Like I don't I just I
(38:49):
look at it, I go, I understand the financial but
at some point, don't you have to call it and
be like.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
All right, man, we just we bought a lemon, Like,
but that ain't it yet. I don't think that's it yet.
There's too much money. It's too much money to say
we buyt a lemon for this amount of money and
we got to move on, Like I just I feel
like that's too much.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That is human nature, right, Like when you buy something,
you know it's something's jacked up about it, it's not working,
and you're like, yeah, I gotta hold onto this though
already paid so much for it, right pay for it.
We always we always have a hard time cutting ties
with things we paid a lot for.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, and rightfully, so, I mean, honestly, I mean I
want to try to get something out of it.
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
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Speaker 4 (01:19):
All right, so off and running here an hour two
of the program. What the hell is going on with
this private equity infusion? Brady, watch your money, your mister,
finance this.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh did you see the Eagles some by the way,
you know what bothers me a little bit about all
this is some of the investors who got involved for
Tracey McGrady, Vince Carter, more power to them.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
They made a ton of money play in the NBA.
And maybe it's because.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
NFL owners don't want former NFL players having a piece
of some of this, but I and oftentimes like they
don't want to have fifty guys who are a part
of a group you're investing into it.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
It's easier to have two. I mean, I just that's
how it works.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It is disappointing though, that you can't have more former
NFL players investing into the sport that's given them a lot,
and in a way it helps maybe take care of
them somewhat financially too, depending on the structure. But I'll
get off that, you know, tangent for a second. So
the Eagles had an infusion of cash from private equity.
They were valued over eight billion dollars, so you can
(02:28):
only have up to about ten percent that you can
sell off in private equity, which I believe they sold
off what was a eight percent in something like that,
So the numbers come around somewhere to approximately like six
hundred million dollars. Yeah, which I mean there's there's obviously
a lot of things you can do with that, right.
You can do stadium upgrades, some different things that you
(02:49):
need to help the infrastructure of the actual team to
bring in more revenue. You can spend that cash, or
some of that could be on free agency. Maybe there's
a three to five year plan on how much of
that cash gonna be spending on free agents. And I'm
sure there's a portion that you know, if you're looking
at the ownership, like Jeffrey Lourie might be saying, I'm
gonna put a little my pocket too, Like it's about
(03:10):
time I can enjoy the fruits of this, because you know,
professional sports teams don't make as much as everyone thinks.
They're extremely expensive operation. But either way, you just saw
the Eagles do this. You're gonna hear more and more
teams are gonna start announcing these private equity partners and
it's in exchange for the owners being able to cash
(03:30):
out a little bit and go enjoy themselves.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Maybe they buy yacht.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I don't know, but I think it's good for the
league in the sense of anyone who wants to rebuild
a stadium, anyone who wants things improved, you know, as
far as everything else out around that organization, it's gonna help.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
At least it should help.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I mean, I just don't get any of it. And
I'll be honest with you, it's at a level of
finance that I don't understand. They might want to pull
some of their money out of it too, right as
meaning the owners, Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I mean that's part of it, Like they're selling
off because at this point I me thank about Jerry Jones.
He bought the Cowboys for what are hundred million or something,
three hundred million whatever it was. Now they're worth ten billion.
I mean yeah, you never see the fruits of that
asset truly, unless you're able to sell off some of
the equity, like that's the real multiple to it. Yeah,
you get some cash fall off whatever the operations are.
(04:21):
But at the end of the day, if you really
want to be a successful business, especially in professional sports,
a lot of what you're making and profit you're putting
back into the business. That's just how it works. So
unless you win the Super Bowl, which Cowboys fans know
that more than anyone else, it's been a while. They
do have a robust operation, though with everything else going
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on around the team, it's just to be hard, you know,
for them to be able to take a bunch of
that cash put in their pockets. It's not the same
type of operations running other businesses in that sense.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys for one hundred and forty million.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Good god, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, So, I mean at some point you got to
cash out, and this is some of their opportunity. Although
the people investing, like if I was going to be
a part of one of these groups, I'm like, well,
all right, I'll give you a bunch of money, but
what are you doing with it? Like there's a use
of proceeds of how do you plan on spending it?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Like what's your plan? You're not just going to take
this and.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Go buy a yacht that we get to hang out on. Now,
I mean, that doesn't do anything for me. That didn't
do anything for my kids. So there's a thought to like,
what are you doing with the money that I've given
you and you have to kind of, you know, hold
them up to that. But usually what happens to when
you invest into these sorts of deals is this is
what's called tag along drag along rights. So outside of
(05:38):
the funds you're giving them, you really can't do a
ton to change whatever they're going to do with the money,
right Like, if they're saying, hey, we want to spend
money on these free agents, it's not like you have
a ton of save as a limited partner, because that's
what these people are. They're limited as far as what
they can say and do even though they're a part owner.
You're essentially getting the ability to walk down the sidelines
(06:00):
and be like, yeah, I've got a piece of this,
but I don't really have much, you know, much to
do with the control of how the team's operated outside
of you know, maybe given my my insight here or
then what.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
They want to I mean, outside of certain individuals like that.
Look at Tom Brady, like, sure that makes sense that
Tom would want some creative inputs, some direction and where
the franchise is going. But maybe that I mean, you
you mentioned the whole idea of you know, these equity
opportunities for football players versus basketball players. I mean, would
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a basketball with Vince Carter withold Tracy McGrady come in
and be like, yeah, this is not being done correctly here.
Why are we not looking at, you know, getting this
type of coach or this type of personnel, you know,
employee whatever may a scout? Like what what about that
tight end? I don't know how I feel about this
(06:52):
tight end over here? You know the cheerleaders, I don't
I don't know how. I mean, are they gonna are
they even gonna want to come in and have the
those types of input anyway?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I've wondered about that with Magic Johnson. How much input
does he have with the Dodgers? How much input does
he have with the commanders since he's part of those groups?
Like or is this just hey, here's.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Some mind doubt there's guys, I doubt there's input on
how the team is ran. I'm just being like, I mean,
let's be real, and why would you want to Yeah?
Why would you? Why would you want to risk it
like something that you don't you don't really know much about.
I mean, you could be a fan, it's one thing.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You could.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
You could even play football and not know how to
handle the cert of the duties that are necessary for
a football team to be successful, you know, and I
just you just have to have a to me, you
have to have a qualification to be able to do
those things. So you're going to hire the right people.
(07:52):
Now the question becomes, are you going to have a
say in those people who are being hired? You know?
How does that work? Like, oh, I know Vince Carter. Like,
I'm like, I could use myself as an example. I
know Vince Carter. I know Vince pretty good, like a
cool friend. Like do I hit Vince Carter up? And
I'm like, hey, Vince Man, you know, I love to
(08:14):
be a scout, you know, possibly maybe be a GM
you know what I mean? Like this guy, y'all got man.
I mean, I know y'all winning and all that stuff,
but you know, let's, you know, let's shake it up
a little bit. Like I don't know that that's going
to be what the situation is. I don't I don't.
I don't see it being, you know, that type of
cronyism or whatever people however people call it. I don't
(08:35):
see that taking place. You're putting your money somewhere where
you feel like it's a safe, safe place where you
could get moderate gains off of what what you've invested
your dollars in.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
The tough thing is is getting that money back out.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Like as a majority owner, you obviously dictate to everyone else,
like when they're going to get their return, or if
you're selling off equity, how it's going to work out.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That's why I said those like tag Along Dragonong Rights
team sold great. There's an event where you're probably going
to be able to cash out if you want. But
for the most part is whoever the majority owner is,
they're dictating to you how things are going to go,
So you could be I mean, it's like putting your
money in something that yeah, it's great. I can look
at my you know, the valuation of the team and
(09:17):
look at my equity and equity in that and it's
it's gaining in value and or you know it's it
looks great, But I can't pull it out.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I can't do much with it.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You know, often you can't even you know, sell that
portion of equity unless there's specific language within it, and
even then you probably need approval from a lot of
the other equity holders.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
How does that work in terms of being able to
leverage that equity for other things. That probably is it
would be there would be some value.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There is that there's probably something within the language.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Of that protection against that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, because because think about it like you don't if
you're Jerry Jones. We'll just use Jerry Jones as an example.
Where Jeffrey Laurie, because it's the Eagles when we were
talking about them.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
He's looking at it saying, well, I don't want this guy.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
If he defaults to use this, that's collabali right correct, right,
Like it took us this long to be.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Able to vet these guys that come in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Now I've got some guys going to be part of it,
I mean the financial wherewithal to invest into it in
the first place. That's one of the reasons why you know,
you put up and you know these you have to
be a credit investors to make certain investments. Well, this
is one of the reasons why you know, you look
at a situation like that and say, well, Jeffrey Lord
doesn't want some guys who doesn't know coming in the ownership.
(10:26):
So no, and that in that case it would not
be able to be used as collateral on any any way.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Shape or form.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Then that now becomes to me, that becomes a question
of if you're putting your money up to have that
equity stake, what is the true value of having it?
That would be my question.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
It depends upon the structure and the and the deal.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Sometimes like so here's the interesting thing to me about this,
and I know we might be boring. Some people are
driving into a ditch on the road right now. But
what makes it really interesting is sometimes you know, you
get this infusion of capital, but private equity wants a
return on their investment, right, Like that's if you look
at the structure and what they're looking for. They want
a certain return and a certain timeframe for the people
(11:10):
who invest with them. So in this case, you know,
maybe it's five years. So they're looking at at some
point either giving x amount of cash and then having
this equity stake that after five years it's going to
increase in value and then they can sell that off, right,
(11:30):
And that's how they make their return from the private
equity side.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And then the team succeeds because of this cash infusion.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So Jeffrey Lori and the Eagles win, and that's how
that's how it works theoretically now, whether or not in
five years the Eagles are doing well and they're you know,
winning super Bowls, are competing for Super Bowls, we'll have
to wait and see. But that's typically how you think
it would be structured, because otherwise you're in it for
the long run and there's really no way of you
(11:56):
getting your money back, even though it's increased in value
and appreciated, there's no way of realizing that. So that's
that's the hard thing. That's why, Like in certain depending
on certain leagues and sports teams, et cetera, if there's
a plan where you go in and say, hey, in
three years, this is what we're doing, you know, and
like in full disclosure, like in some deals I've done, like, hey,
(12:17):
this is the plan. In three years you invest. If
the team has this amount of success, we're cashing out.
We're making money. If they don't, you're probably taking a
fifty percent cut on your loss because we're not in
this for the long haul. We renting for the short term.
We're trying to infuse capital to help this team win
and get to a certain level. Right, that's most likely
how they ended up kind of structuring it or discussing it.
(12:37):
I don't know that we'll ever learn those details.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I mean, listen to somebody who has the up on
Game Network.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I mean, you should be stupid.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm just saying you could get Matt's signed to you know,
introduce you walk into the room and stupid live stream
all of it and stupid not say a word anything
about two pros and a cup of shoe.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes, I had nothing to.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Do with it. I mean, you be one of the
investors for if they ever had I thought I thought
I was your boy, and then you know, if they
ever have a team in London, thought.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You was my boy too, and didn't see you.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I thought, here's the problem is, once you walked up
on stage and they announced you, I was like, I'm
gonna walk up there, and then then you guys were
all lining up. I was like, well, now I can't
do it because like that's gonna look awkward. And you
were all you were all the way on the other
side of the room when they announced you. Yeah, I
didn't so even then, like it would have it would
have been so weird for me to be like, hey,
(13:31):
what's up.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
If you would have stood up, I would have saw you,
you know, if you would have stood up.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You don't know from where our table was, honestly, don't.
I don't think you would have been able to see me. Maybe,
but it was dark in there.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
You guys were lit up, but we weren't.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, I didn't even know where you were. What you mean, got,
I just didn't know.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Petro's asked, where's Everybody's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I didn't tell you.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Yeah, you had a flight, man, you had to you
had to cut out a little earlier.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I did have a flight.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I did.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I got did cut out early for that what hour fight? Yeah,
forty minutes. I had to get to the airport, John, Yeah, yeah, anymore,
what do you have to be there so early? I
was trying to get there for for player interviews, you know,
because I do content for that fact, So I was
(14:20):
in a rush to try to get there as early
as possible for you know, they do a press conference
for the new inductees. So I missed it anyway, missed it.
Got there like maybe like twenty minutes after it had
finished up. So literally, so it is what it is.
I tried, though I had a chance to get lit
(14:40):
up though while you're out there. Yeah, man, I mean
that that was a good part. You know, that was
a good part. But I was there to work. I
definitely was there to work.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, this dude, I love Vegas. Like Vegas is great
for short stants.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Just dude. Yeah, he was sitting next to the in
the bar area. He was living his life. You know
what it was, you know who he was. He was
lead to lab yeah in probably thirty some years and
just chilling smoking a cigar by himself. No one's even
around him, but like smoking a cigar, I'm not even
(15:15):
sure if you're allowed to are supposed to him there
he probably can and just I mean he was in
a bathroom initially, which.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Was like it's four forty five pm, like what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Just like like a very like nice area too where
this bar was just in a bathroom smoking a cigar,
living his best's life, and it looked like he was
kind of almost talking to himself at times, and they
kind of got up and walk around, waltz around, they'd
sit back down. They left, and he came back and
he was like going a pair of sweatpants and a
T shirt and just like living his best life man.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Had a couple of martinis. I was like, this guy's awesome.
I don't know what he's doing here, but he's got
to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well, listen, now we've got to figure it out here
and Two Pros and a couple of ye Fox Sports
Radio coming up next here from the tyraq dot com Studios.
Somebody's gonna have to defend their home turf. Literally, they're
gonna have to defend their home turf after after this
story yesterday, that'll be yours next here on FSR.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
This must be a sweet gig.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
What do you want?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
You record this one time? I didn't know if she's
ever performed it live, and you just make residuals the
rest of your life.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yeah, that's pretty nice. A lot of people in hiding,
it feels like with all the Diddy stuff right now,
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (16:48):
What do I ask your question that you know the
answer to?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Are you like like, who are you talking about here?
When you say like people going into hiding.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It just feels like there's a lot of people who
have they out here, right, and some yeah excused absences. Dang.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, the Lebron stuff's a little odd. You know, he's
out for personal reasons.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
I wasn't insinuating Lebron.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
There's a lot I mean, unless that's.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
What you mean. He's a lot of performers.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
It's just it's just interesting how you know, Lebron was
dead set on wanting to play every single game this year,
that was his goal, and then you know, randomly a
couple of weeks ago he decided he wasn't going to
partake in social media any longer. And then now he's, uh,
he's away from the team for personal reasons.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
A lot of timing well, and I think physically, if
there's an issue, you understand given his age and how
much he's played. That's why I would have just said
he's got a soft tissue injury.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, but I'm not going to touch this one, you know. Yeah,
I really touch a lot of them, but hey, you're
going to touch this one.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I don't know. Roger.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Thank goodness for me, I've never gone. I've never done those,
so I didn't have to take any leave absences or
I don't know about the lead never never never did
a Diddy party never, And and the parties that I
was close to being at that were comparable to those
I left. And that's a true story. That is a
(18:19):
very true story. Have I ever told y'all that off
air and no? Oh, bro, Well, there was one guy
and he's a guy and y'all would know his name
if I said it. It was one of them type
parties celebrity or after Yes, well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And that und I don't want to know any more
of this.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But I left Jonas is the type for all of
a sudden you get served with like a lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Me.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yes, I mean I was just asking if, like, if
you just give out his Twitter.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I didn't see anything, I didn't experience anything because I left. Yeah,
So just so you know, I don't have to go
on leave, just so y'all know I'm here. I'm here
with y'all for the duration. We're happy about it.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'd gladly rather talk by this subject though, than what
you have on the Rundown.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So what do you what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Whatever you tease before him.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well got to defend baby.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Listen, Brady Quinn, step right up. All right, you are
the the face of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
All right.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
You are the pride and joy of Dublin slash Columbus, Ohio.
A lot of people don't know this, but I call
it the six to one four you know. But again,
you are representing that fine state. It's a beautiful state
and it's also a state that's looking for some change.
Because I'm a state representative from Ohio by the name
(19:36):
of Josh Williams has proposed something called the Ohio Sportsmanship Act,
which would quote prohibit planting of a flagpole and flag
at the center of the Ohio Stadium football field on
the day of a college football game. And that is
(19:56):
how you respond to a loss at home to your
art tribal You go ahead and try and get a
law put in place to where there wouldn't be allowed
to plant their flag at the horseshoe. Ever, again, this
is unbelievable that this is a real story.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And I'm sorry to any Ohio state fans, any folks
and residents in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
That disagree with me.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But this is the softest thing that has ever been
proposed in the state legislator across the country. Okay, and
that includes a lot of soft, soft things that have
been proposed in other states. We lost a football game.
We don't need to make policy all right after losing
(20:45):
a football game. And spare me the angle and the
political talk of well, it's about keeping our law enforcement safe.
Are you serious? I mean, they use pepper spray on
these guys who are on a field after a game.
They lost a game.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Can we stop?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I mean, look, I don't know Josh Williams. I'm sure
he's a really nice guy. I kind of went down
that wormhole and he's got a lot of other great policies.
He's trying to help the state of Ohio focus on that.
This is not an issue that we needed to stand
on our soapbox and start preaching like, oh, this is
the problem with our country. This is a problem with Ohio.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
There's all this flag planning going on.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's a rampant issue. No, it's not focus on something
where there's people who need help and other issues in
the state and across the country. If other states start
doing this crap, which, mind you, this will be the
first state I think that's doing this. Let's not be
a first mover on some sort of policy that's this soft.
Like this is I mean, if you want Michigan to
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live rent free in your head every single year, like
this is the way to do it. Where you lose
a game and you have to create policy because a
team tried to plant their flag into a turf field.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
It's not even possible.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, you can't even implant it, Like it's the whole
thing is so stupid.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I cannot believe. I don't care if it's at the
state level.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I just cannot believe a politician would then try to
make legislation office or propose it. It is ridiculous. And again,
spare me the safety of the police. That it wasn't
a safety issue for the police, all right, this, if anything,
should have been controlled by the coach or both coaches
in that case, Sharon Moore and Ryan Day, Like you
(22:38):
had sixty minutes to prove it on the field. Once
that ends, dude, go in the locker room, Go figure
out how you can try to win next year. Go
try to figure out how you can try to go
go in the playoff, win a national championship, because your
opportunity to defend that turf just died for the fourth
straight year.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
It is the softest thing I can recall my lifetime.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Is this the worst that they've handled or lost to
Michigan in Columbus? I know there haven't been a lot
outside of the last four years, but is this the one?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I Mean, people will ridicule me for saying this, but
I would say this is an example of why you
would make that case.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
But also there wasn't even like a reaction.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think the thing that bothered me from the fan
base is like typically, like when I was growing up,
and then again during the John Cooper era, like if
they won, people would be partying, You'd be excited, even
though they didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
That's why John Cooper got fired.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But when they lost, they'd be like burning cars, I mean,
burning couches out there on the streets down on campus
like it was. It was a scary deal and I'm
not advocating for that in any way, But there was
this there was this frustration, this anger, this emotion that
came out. What's sad about now is it's almost like
Ohio State fans have resorted to the fact of yeah,
(23:57):
we just can't beat them. It's like it's like a
little bit sad and depressing, like they're just nowadays, it's just, yeah,
they're just better than us.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
I guess like there's like there's almost like no.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Emotion attached to it, not saying they're okay with it,
but almost as if it's not like the anger like
it used to be. And I guess we'll find out
how ticked off Ohio State is. I mean, I again
grew up in an era where kids were coached different,
they were todd different. Mickey Muradi was there in Ohio State,
was my strength coach, and he was the type where
(24:28):
if you would have lost like this, I could only
imagine how he would have handled things back then, because
if we had lost like that to end the season
yet we still had a shot to go play for
a national championship, he might have had us in there
the next day at six am and running until we puke,
or lifting and you know, like squatting or leg pressing
like six hundred pounds for sets of forty. Like you
(24:52):
go into you can't, I'll strip off a plate. You
go into your cant I'll strip off another plate. And
I remember those days training with them, thinking to myself, like, dude,
I want to give up. I want to give in.
But that was his whole thing is he was pushing
you past your breaking point. I don't know that you
can coach these kids like that anymore. And I think
it's part of the problem because I think they might
be still trending like that in Michigan. At least it
(25:13):
seems that way. I mean, you guys, tell me I'm crazy,
but because I've got a different perspective because I grew
up in Columbus, Ohio. But this is the softest thing
I've ever seen happen around this robbery and around sports.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It just makes it so much worse, like it makes
everything because then it looks like, not only did you lose,
but you couldn't even handle it in a way that
is representative of how much success the program is. Ad
you're just accepting the l and then you're crying about
it afterwards and say you're not allowed to plan our
flag here.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
It's terrible.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's just the whole thing. And that's why watching it
when you're asking the quot When we talked about the
game on Monday, and it was like, I don't know,
could you tell on TV that the stadium was starting
to turn like oh yeah, like you could see that
this one felt bigger than some of the some of
the other ones, because I think they went into that
game thinking, oh, this is.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Going to be a keke wa.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I mean, look, we're three touchdown favorites.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I mean, this is our year.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
We're going to get our revenge. We're on our way.
And like the longer the game went on and the
closer the game was, you just felt like Michigan's going
to make enough plays to win that game. And it
was like everybody in the stadium got the same sense.
And there's nothing they could do about it except put
a law in place to try and make sure that
you can't plant your flag there. And then Charon More
is at a Michigan basketball game doing the flag planning
(26:33):
sign on the big screen when they go to it,
like he's totally embraced this whole thing, while everybody else is,
you know, trying to put in legislation.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I just shot.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You know what the worst part is is they're I
think they admit it a felony too. They're trying to
make it a felony, which is even more absurd. I mean,
are you are you really do you really care that
much about it? You want to put this on some
kid's record who's a college I mean, for you would
have put a felonios record for planning a flag. You're ridiculous,
(27:04):
that is.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I was thinking to myself, all right, you have a
fight ensueing a fight breakout, like you're more worried about
the flag getting planted than there being you know, physical
altercations that take place. And listen, I grant, grant. I
know that they're saying, okay, it puts places the police
in harm's way or whatever it is that they're saying.
(27:27):
But I just I think that the premise of what
this is all about is it's just it's all off.
I mean, if anything, I would say, if you think
about competition and what competition has always represented, and and
(27:48):
you get back to the basics of what was created.
You created sports clubs to be able to compete against
other sports clubs. Your team consisted of people from that place.
Right now, everything is evolved, it's changed, and we gotten
(28:09):
so far away from what the origin of sports represented.
But if you really go back to the origin of
what sports represented. If you played against Pittsburgh the college,
you know where those kids were from Pittsburgh. If you
played against somebody from Ohio State, you know where they
were from Ohio. And so when you think about it,
(28:32):
we're saying, we want to see if Ohio is better
than Pittsburgh or whatever. Fill in the blanks. You want
to see who has the better club when you compete.
So in that sense, you're basically saying, if we come
in and we play you in Ohio and we're from Pittsburgh,
(28:54):
if we want to plant a Pittsburgh flag, so to speak,
in Ohio, it's because we came in and we beat you. Right,
kids from this place came in and beat the kids
from that place. That's what sports represents. It's what it
has always represented. Now it's decentralized, and it's people that
(29:17):
come from all over the place and they play in
one place, but they still the premise of your Ohio
state that represents Ohio. That's still there. And so to me,
when I look at somebody trying to make this a law,
it kind of defeats the purpose of what really true
competition represents, because to say that planting a flag is unsportsmanlike,
(29:41):
is I would say that's inaccurate. In fact, it's almost
sportsmen like to say that they should be unimpeded from
planting the flag because they, for the day, for that
moment in time, conquered that piece of land. Just like
the number one podium spot. It's like, all right, are
(30:06):
you gonna Are you gonna get mad at the person
who won the gold medal because they went up and
stood on the gold medal posts that at at number
one on that on that track in that stadium. No,
you're not, because your reward for winning is to stand
above the rest of everybody else that lost. So to me,
(30:30):
it's just another further symptom of our society and of
our culture that everybody gets a medal for participation and
all this other stuff. Like if I were Ohio and
I were the people that saw this being the representation
of who we are, I would I would be outraged.
I would actually want people to know that we're not
(30:51):
that soft. This is not who we are, This is
not what we represent. I don't know who did this
or put this evil on us, but this is not
representation of us. Because to me, you're basically saying we
would we would rather have a law that say is
we're not willing to compete. We're we're telling you and
(31:12):
we're letting you know we're not willing to compete. And
we and we want you to be penalized for beating
us and being better than us. That's that's what they're saying.
We want a law for you being better than us.
So I just you know, I'm glad it wasn't Pennsylvania.
(31:32):
I glad. I'm glad it wasn't Pittsburgh that did this.
And to the lawmakers who are pushing for this to
be a felony and even put this in uh taxpayers,
you know, put that in the dossier and put it
in the meetings and all that stuff, shame on you.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Hey, if Ohio State loses to Tennessee, which wouldn't be
the craziest thing in the world, but they lose at
home to Tennessee, Ryan Dan trouble.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Like how I keep going back to the timing of
all of it, It would be it would be really
tough in my opinion, to move on from him at
that point in time in the season. I mean, you'd
have to have someone lined up that you feel really
good about that the fan base would feel good about too.
And I don't know, I mean blown out one thing.
I mean maybe the way you lose matters, but I
(32:23):
don't know. It's it would be so difficult. It'd be
so difficult, I think, to make the move at that point,
and you kind of wonder how the portal will be
impacted by it.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I just.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I mean, who can to hire people? Be like, oh,
Vrabel will do it. I'm like, no, man, I mean,
he probably would rather go to an NFL team. Maybe
I'm wrong, maybybe he'd rather go back to Ohio State.
I have no idea. But if it's not Ryan Day,
like who you're hiring, I mean Erban Myers already made
a statement say he's not coming back. So I mean,
why make the change just to make the change because
(32:59):
you had a loss, Like usually want to invest into
the coach, figure out how to turn this thing around,
how to figure out how to maximize the talent and
potential of a team that reportedly spent twenty and a
half million dollars on the roster. That's why I would
invest my time in surely not policy at the state
level to make flag planning a felony. I mean, I
(33:24):
just there was actually a bill to I believe, in
the state of Ohio to allow schools to directly pay
student athletes and io.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
That was one of the things that.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I believe was introduced and I would assume would be
passed with everything coming, which would make things easier for
Ohio State to compete in the Anio world. That is
a legislation that if you really want to help out
the Buckeyes, that's something that matters. That's something that's significant.
This whole flag planning thing is an absolute joke, and
(33:59):
it's something if you're a politician and this is like something,
oh this is my bill, it's like, well, this is
it's gonna be hard for people want to support you
for how this looks. All right, I'm just saying it's terrible.
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more interested in the fact that the Kansas City Chiefs
are having to play three games and eleven days, or
(35:20):
more interested in the fact that Jimmy Haslam, the owner
of the Cleveland Browns, has said that he believes in
trust and Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski and that they'll
figure out the quarterback situation in the off season, all right,
Which you.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I would? I would? I would? Well, first off, that
was my question, Jonahs, So I appreciate you go ahead
and stealing that, hey, because that was what I was
gonna pose to you. Guys.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
It's like, who do you think is back next season?
Watson or Stefanski?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, uh.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Uh, that's I mean, at first glance, I would say
if I had to choose between the two, but I'm
not so sure that it isn't Deshaun Watson with a
new coach. And I think the reason being is if
(36:17):
it's a financial investment in trying to get an ROI
on your already afy financial investment, it's less egregious to
look for coach that you could possibly get production out
of Deshaun Watson versus getting rid of Deshaun Watson and
(36:38):
moving forward with Kevin Stefanski. That would be the only
reason why I would say logic would lean on the
side of try to find a coach that can can
get the best out of Deshaun Watson, and Deshaun Watson
would be the one that would be returning over Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I think would get hired this offseason if they like.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
But that's not the question.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
But I'm just saying one's in demand and one's not.
It should make the decision. But that's even more reason
to get rid of Kevin Stefanski because you can't get
rid of Deshaun Watson without it being a heavily costly
you know, departure of getting rid of them.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
You know what, I'd love to look up.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It'd be hard to find off the top four heads here,
but the record of Stefanski in Cleveland without Deshaun Watson
versus with Watson, which actually, let me just do this
really quick, because I do think if you if you
looked like he's he's forty and forty as a head
coach for the Browns and he's dealt with an absolute
(37:44):
crapag with different quarterbacks having to start, which has been difficult.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
So let's see, that's nine and was that?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So Watson's nine and ten as a starter in Cleveland,
So he's only a couple of games above five hundred
as far as with quarterbacks outside of Watson during his
time in Cleveland, which I would then say, like, that's
pretty good all things considered, Yeah, because that hasn't been
your game plan for the past two years. Obviously, Watson
(38:14):
started the suspension in twenty twenty two, so who is
coming back, so he wasn't gonna have the full slate there.
But it's pretty damn good. I mean, all things considered,
playing with essentially backups for the past three years.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I mean, the guy you gave all that money to
has been the worst quarterback on the Browns since he's
gotten there. Like, there's nobody on the Browns that's played
quarterback that's been worse than him, Like I set like
Dorian Thompson Robinson, I don't even think he's been worse
than him. Like didn't Josh Dobbs get a little playing
time as well too. I'm pretty sure he did better
than Deshaun Watson did. Like I don't I just I
(38:49):
look at it, I go, I understand the financial but
at some point, don't you have to call it and
be like.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
All right, man, we just we bought a lemon, Like,
but that ain't it yet. I don't think that's it yet.
There's too much money. It's too much money to say
we buyt a lemon for this amount of money and
we got to move on, Like I just I feel
like that's too much.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That is human nature, right, Like when you buy something,
you know it's something's jacked up about it, it's not working,
and you're like, yeah, I gotta hold onto this though
already paid so much for it, right pay for it.
We always we always have a hard time cutting ties
with things we paid a lot for.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, and rightfully, so, I mean, honestly, I mean I
want to try to get something out of it.
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