Best of the Week: 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the College Football playoff bracket is set! LaVar and Brady share stories from the College Hall of Fame dinner in Vegas including blown out shoes and burying hatchets. Plus, Bill Belichick speaks for the first time since taking over at UNC.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and Lamar rating Win
and Jonas Knox on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We finally got it. The college football playoffs are set.
We know who's where and who's playing who. So let's
discuss who's got a gripe who's got to complain?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Because first off, is that how we have to start
this off. We can't be like excited about it.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm excited about it. But that's par for the course
when it comes to this stuff that everyone wants to
complain about the situation.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
I'm not starting this off on a negative vein no chance, man,
this is this is awesome.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm excited for it.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
By the way, You've got to be excited because the
state's got easiest path byfore.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, we got a great path.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
I mean I didn't like the fact that we lost,
but I did highlight it on our show that if
we did lose, that there was a chance that that
would be something to the effect of what our path
would be.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
And yeah, I mean I like it. I like it.
I like it a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Actually so and we caet ended up playing you you know, yeah, yeah,
which get there.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
It's uh, that's the unfortunate part about some of the
complaints is Look, there's obviously the debate between Alabama and
SMU that that's gonna be the thing that stands out
the most, and we talked about it last week like
that was always going to be the decision for the committee.
And you do have to wonder if Clemson had blown
out SMU, would that have created an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
More for Alabama?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Whereas once SMU came back in that game, tied it up,
forced Clemson to kick a fifty six yarder game winner.
Did that ultimately change the opinion of a lot of
the folks in the College Fall Playoff Committee or was
their mind made up going into the conference championship weekend
saying that we're not going to ding a team that

(02:03):
gets the conference championship game and loses, because otherwise you
could make the case that a lot of teams wouldn't
want to have to even go play those games, Like
they wouldn't want to risk going to a conference championship
game if they were ranked in a position to go
to the College Football Playoff, but with a loss they

(02:23):
would drop out. A lot of them would be like, well,
what's the point of going and playing?

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Then?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Like you're penalizing us for being successful enough to go
play in our conference championship, but then at the same time,
if we don't win it, we're out. So I understand
there's an argument to be made for strength to schedule,
and Alabama's strength to schedule is harder and more difficult
than SMUs that.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's fine, But if.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
We want to debate that, we also need to debate
the fact that, like the SEC only plays eight conference games,
Big Ten plays nine, there's other conferences where it's eight
verse nine.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
So you have those issues.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
If you really want to get into it, we could
talk about death rector athletic director Greg Byrne for Alabama,
who comes out and says, well, we're gonna have to.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Change up how we go about schedule our non conference.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Greg, what do you mean you guys didn't lose in
the non conference? Your non conference was ridiculously easy. The
toughest theme you played was Wisconsin and Madison, which finishes
the twelfth best team of the Big Ten. Like that
wasn't your issue. Why Alabama's not in the playoff. You
lost to Vandy, you got blowed out by Oklahoma in Norman.

(03:29):
That's why you're not in the playoff. It wasn't because
of your non conference schedule. I mean, some of the
arguments that have come out from all of this are hilarious,
and that was probably at the top of the list
is all these Alabama fans were, well, we're just not
gonna play anybody.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
You didn't anywhere. You just played Mercer a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Like, what do you mean your non conference if anything,
go play an extra conference game. If you think the
SEC is superior, play nine games, then go do what
the Big ten does and then maybe that gets you
in oh for SMU, or go play nine or ten.
I mean Nick Saban talked about it. Just play more
conference games and then you can kind of flex on
everyone with how difficult your schedule is because we've got

(04:11):
these mega conferences now, Like I think that's gonna be
one of the bigger changes they look at is with
the conferences being as big as they are, you get
some teams like Texas, for example, Like who's texas best win?

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I mean, seriously, who's their best win?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
They played a much lesser version of the SEC, So
we can go through that, you know, the exercises of
comparing resumes. At the end of the day, the committee
talked about not penalizing teams for playing the conference championship weekend,
and they didn't and they held up their words. So look,
I would do a few things differently if it was me.
But I can't wait to see these teams score off

(04:48):
and play.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
It's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
And so the lineups are purely based off of what
the end rankings of how they ranked the teams was
the result of how they aligned on the bracket.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Uh yeah, which there's some Again, there's so many things
that bother me about kind of what they did, how
they did it.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
I mean, it's to me, it's kind of a jacked
up bracket. It really is kind of in my opinion,
it's a jacked up brad.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
So think about this.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Clemson lost to South Carolina, but Clemson won the ACC.
So because they won the ACC, they're an automatic qualifier
to get into the College Football Playoff.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I don't have an issue with that.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
I actually think that's how it should be for all
of the POWERFO conference champs and then the highest ranked
Group of five champ. What shouldn't happen is that championship
gets you an automatic qualifier for a buy that's where
I draw the line. I mean, honestly, if we're being
real and I had my way out, it would be
sixteen teams and I wouldn't allow anyone to have a buy.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
But we're not there, so whatever.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
What the problem is is Clemson is rank sixteenth in
their final ranking and they had to put them at
sixteenth because South Carolina beat them and they're fifteen. So
since Clemson automatically qualifies with their ACC championship, they allowed
the head to head to matter. Then all right, well
we're just head to head not matter. Well, Penn State,

(06:15):
Ohio State. Ohio State beat Penn State in Happy Valley
and for some reason they're behind Penn State, which doesn't
really make as much sense. Although again we go back
to the conference championship weekend. Penn State made it to
the Big Ten Championship. Ohio State didn't, so Penn State's
ranked higher than Ohio State. So there's another example of
that too. But you just look at it that way

(06:36):
and go, well, this doesn't make any sense. I mean,
Clemson just beat SMU and SMU was still ranked higher
in the final rankings, so there's a lot of things
that don't connect. It don't make sense with how they
ended up doing their final rankings. It was just their
way of getting the twelve teams that I think they
would say have earned the right to play for the
playoff in their mind, who do you think should have

(06:57):
had the bye weeks?

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Are those fourteen is correct? Or should it have been
a different though? Again, if I so, I would do
one of two things. If you were gonna do this format,
I would reseed after the first round, which they're not
going to do, meaning you know, you're gonna look at
the number one seeds and then and number two and
number three and number four, and then they're going to
play you know, for example, Oregon is gonna have to

(07:21):
play the winner of Ohio State and Tennessee. That's crazy,
which is nuts. And by the way, that's my probably
real title game right there.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
You can make that case and and their path as
a team that kind of buy will be the most
difficult of any of them, because then if they beat
you know, Ohio State, Tennessee, whoever the is the winner
of the first round, they would then play potentially Texas,
who's one of the higher seeds that's that's above them
in that part of the bracket, and then let's just
say they play the highest seed for the national championship. Well,

(07:49):
that'd be Georgia. They're the two seed. So your path
is incredibly difficult. Thank you very much for going undefeated,
winning the Big Ten and being the number one overall seed.
Mind you, here's your path, you know, win a national
champions It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
You know what I would have done was this. I
would have made the.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Four Power four conference champions automatic qualifiers. I would have
had the highest group of five teams like Boise they
automatically qualified too. But then I'm gonna have the committee
go ahead and rank those teams based on the rankings.
So Oregon would still be one and they would get
the buy, but they would be in the portion of
the bracket that plays the winner of the you know,

(08:28):
five and twelve or whatever they is, and which when
this case, would have been the winner of like Notre
Dame and Clemson. So instead of going through the scholar,
they're playing the winner of the eight and nine. They
can potentially get a matchup versus you know, two teams
that you know, weren't viewed quite as highly I guess
in that case, but they would have been more of
like Oregon one, UGA two. You know if it was

(08:50):
penns day three. You know Texas three, have you see it?
And then vice versas. The other is fourth. Like those
four teams to me, if those are your four highest ranked,
they should get a buye and then the next subsequent
eight teams, you know four, five through twelve would be
ranked and they'd play out in the first round.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
I thought to myself, if you come up with who
you're your four by your four bye week teams? Are
you list your four bye week teams? Do like, do
away with rankings all together, put your four foot put
the four teams that you feel are going to have
the buys, and then do a lottery with the rest
of the eight. I think that that s would be

(09:29):
kind of exciting, and it kind of takes away any
type of this person has this logic. This person has
this logic. This person's like bump that. Just put them
on some uh some bouncy balls, put them in the dip,
run it around the lottery.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Have a lottery.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
I mean, why not? It's eight teams, why not have
a lottery on who plays who?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I mean?

Speaker 5 (09:54):
I thought that I thought it was interesting. The most
interesting one is Oregon's draw, Like, that's that's a that's
the most interesting one of them all.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Like the reseeding is the part that bothers me, because
there's other playoff formats.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
That do it. I think the lack of receiving, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
The fact that you're being you should be rewarded and
punished based on your seating every single round, not just
when you get into where you're the lower seed you
play the top seed. Well, what if that team that
lower seed wins, you reseed them and this isn't the case.
And that's the part that bothers me. And there's other
playoff formats that do that as well too. I think

(10:29):
the NBA might do it, and it doesn't really make
much sense to me because then it's all about you're
depending on the committee to give you the best path.
So if you're you know, the Texas or if you're
Penn State, you're looking at it going. I mean, we
just lost our conference championship games and we've got a
better opportunity to get to the to the College Football

(10:50):
the Final Four than maybe the other team that just
beat us.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
That doesn't that doesn't seem to make sense. It doesn't,
But then now it does put a lot of pressure.
Like I was talking to somebody, They're like, man, it's
like it seems like it was a great draw and
a great pool for Penn State. I said, but imagine
if they were to lose to SMU in the first
round or if they were to lose the Boise in
the second round, Like, because there's the expectation that they

(11:16):
should beat two of the easiest teams, and in the
playoff they draw two of the easiest teams in the
playoff to play. If they were to lose, I mean,
what does that mean for the head coach? Like, I mean,
every single time we lose, the first thing they go
to is get rid of him.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Can I make a statement too? In defense of James Franklin.
So everyone throws around the top five wins like he's
won in what is he now, one in fourteen, whatever
it is, it's abysmal. And then they're like, oh, and
you go back before James Franklin in two thousand and
got one win over top five team. Dude, show me
the stats on every team versus top five opponents. And

(11:58):
in all seriousness, like people act like, oh, yeah, you know,
you know, certain coaches have a great record Verse top
five teams. No, they don't like like, no, they don't like,
I don't care who you are. It's like every time
I hear someone go, well, he's really struggled versus pressure.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Today, and it's like, yeah, every quarterback has.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Have you ever looked at the entire list of quarterbacks
versus pressure however they divide it up on PFF or
any of the other websites, like, go look at their
numbers versus pressure. None of them are good. Like, yes,
they're completing a little above fifty percent. That's usually what
it is. Some guys are a little bit lower than that,
but for the most part they're not. They're not playing

(12:40):
as well if they have a clean pocket, if they
were struggling in a clean pocket, they probably want to
be playing at all. So I just I hate that
argument where they're like, oh, man, James Franglin's really struggle
for his top five teams. It's like, all right, show
me a guy who's got a winning record verse top
five teams in all seriousness, like the best ones are
maybe five hundred maybe, Like I'd love to go back
and look at Nick Saban. Have you looked at Kirby

(13:02):
Smart's recon versus Alabama, Does anyone talk about that, like
not great? I mean, it doesn't matter, but they just
won the SEC they're the number two overall.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Scene you can you can always talk about that.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
It is a lazy, tired argument, like they're going into
the games as underdogs. So what you're basically doing is saying,
hey man, we need James to upset these teams.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I mean, Oregon's been the number one.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
They were the best team in the country wire to wire,
and and they're going and it's the number one seed
and they're like.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
No, yeah, he's James. Frank's gonna win this.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
It's like, dude, okay, Like it's just it's such a
bad stat I hate that, But I do think there's
some validity to the conversation of someone asked me about
Ryan Day, Hey, Ohio statekets to host Tennessee, and what
is if.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
They lose to Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
To Tennessee, Yeah, after what we just saw versus Michigan,
like and Kirk Grocery talked about it. He said, you
have to be tough. When that first third down comes out,
they go three and out, they have to punt. They're
doing Like what was it I was thinking of my head.
I wonder if Ohio State, the actual coaches and team
were like that, probably wouldn't mind if he had to
go down to Knoxville.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Like like tough environment.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I've told people That's one of the toughest environments I've
ever played in college or pro.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
But you at least know what you're getting.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Into when you go on the road, versus like an
environment like that you don't expect when you're at home,
you know, and things don't aren't going well, and you
got your fans you're supposed to behind you, but they're
booing you.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Still going on in Columbus? Like they haven't they haven't
shifted past. Hey, we're in the college football and that's
it's not a buzzy no, what do you mean, Like
they don't care. They just they loss. It's like that's
all people are thinking about right now.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
In Columbus, Like that is another one of those Well
they can still play for a national championship.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
You know, Ohio State fans will get over it. No,
they won't. They don't. They don't get over a loss
to Michigan.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
It takes another year where they have the next opportunity
to try to beat Michigan before they get over it.
I just that's the funny thing about college football is
I have a different perspective because I travel around and
we get to talk to folks from different places, and
you see a lot of things. But some of the
narratives that come out, Like I'm telling you, man, Alabama
almost the best.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
We're not a part of your playoffs. We're not going
to schedule.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
It's difficult of a non conference all right, you didn't anyway,
So what are we talking about here, pal Like, It's
just it's just ridiculous people. And by the way, people
are gett chirpy at me for Penn's stake because Hey,
what time's the start of that playoff game there, LeVar?

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yes, I think it's early. You think I know it's
rely it's at noon.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
And by the way, you guys doing a white out,
that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I mean, we were told that you can't do a
white out at noon, but apparently you can't supposed to
be late. It's it's supposed to be under the lights
when you do it.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Hey, I get it.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
I'm just telling you, like, there is a lot of
hypocrisy running rampant right now through college football with some
of the things that fans are saying and complaining about.
And by the way, that's a TNT game, just to
reiterate TNT and for any complaints at TNT, I'm not
even sure if they have a football handle because somehow
they got in on the sub licensing reem with ESPN.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
But there you go.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
You can go to TNT and complain about the start
time of that game to them.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, wasn't that because of the inside the NBA stuff
that they kind of floated them. They said, hey, we
feel bad about all that.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
So they Penn State game. Yeah, they lost out.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
They lost out in the NBA, right, So they're like, well, listen,
we'll do you solid.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
We'll give your Playtate what's short sided about college football?

Speaker 4 (16:38):
And honestly, and this is just I'm being very open
and transparent when I say this, what ESPN did by
sub licensing to TNT is definitely a part of what
you just said.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's a part of it.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I also think there is a thought that when you
have one network that covers a sport, especially at this
point in time of the year, they don't really do
it justice as far as creating this thought that we
cover it as like non biased as possible, and people
will say, like Fox or CBS and NB stier gonna
be biased to Big ten because they have the rights

(17:11):
to it. So so there's always gonna be arguments on
both sides. It's not good for the sport though, Like you,
if you're honest with yourself, you're Greg Sank and you're
you're any other conference commissioner. It's not good for your
product if you have one network that broadcasts it. It's
just not you don't get as many voices, you don't
get as many perspectives that are part of it, you

(17:33):
don't get the different styles of presentation. It's one of
the reason why look at the NFL, you have Fox,
you have ABC, you have a CBS an NBC, you
have Amazon, you have Netflix coming up. The more the
merrier in the sense of like how can we grow
our viewership and grow our audience. And that's one of
the things with this twelve team playoff that at ESPN

(17:56):
paid for it. They footed the bill, you know, and
and it's you know, it is what it is. But
it's not good for the sport that you've got a
network that's basically regional for the entirety of the college
football season with their package of sec ACC that sprinkled
a little big twelve.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's just not good for the sport.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
They should incorporate more networks, more people as a part
of it, and instead you get like, hey, tn T,
you haven't been here all year, but it come to
a playoff game and I know they're gonna have That's
the thing is they're gonna they're gonna use ESPN talent,
so they're slapping it on tn T, but it's like
ESPNESPN production. Yeah, ABC ESPN, Which is one of the

(18:36):
interesting things because if you looked at what it, you know,
Disney has really done this year. They pushed all their
cards behind their ABC, the broadcast network, and they actually
in doing that hurt a lot of their ratings for
ESPN that really didn't get many of their bigger games.
So ABC won the primetime window, they won the three
thirty window. Those the two top you know, most viewed

(18:58):
windows from the regular season in college football. The problem
is is ESPN has been down more than ever before.
Now part of that's their business plan because they're kind
of winding down ESPN and they pushing everything to ESPN
plus so they'll have like broadcast on the ABC and
then digital. There won't be really anything in between in
the future. But that's a decision that they made and
and it's it's one of those business decisions that they're

(19:20):
making as they move forward. But at the same time,
again I'm kind of getting off the tracks here going
back to the original point. It's just it's not good
when you've got kind of one network that's a part
of it, like you, you don't get this mixture of
folks handling it. That's why I kind of look at
the NFL and say, well, if that's the model where
college football is going, then maybe you should be replicating

(19:41):
it that this point in.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Time during the year, you guys are going to those games,
right Brady, You're going to Indiana under Dame.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
I'll be I'll be present for Indiana under Dame. I'll
probably be at Ohio State Tennessee as well. So it's
be awesome there in the Battle of Indiana.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Huh Catholics Atholix versus Cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Ah yeah, Oh wow. I heard they've only played one
other time before. If I'm not mistaken, it.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Was like nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
He's got a red ass too, he's got the puffy bottom. Yeah,
it is a real red bott.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
The first time a network outside of NBC is broadcast
at at a Notre Dame home game since I believe
nineteen ninety kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean, if they're gonna let TNT do these games,
I mean, why don't you let Ernie Johnson and Charles
Barkley call him?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
You know, in all seriousness, like, I don't know how
you don't have those guys as a part of it. Yeah,
for entertainment value, but like again, and I'm not it's
ESPN talent who are calling the game. I believe it's
like Mark Jones and I forget who who he's calling it.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
With thought I thought Mark Jones just lived in Boulder.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Now I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I don't know he was also doing doing other games.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Some of these guys calling the games, man, they shouldn't
be calling games. I'm gonna just say that, and I'm
gonna lead out alone.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Has that come off someday games or what I mean?
I just just some.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Of these guys, man, they shouldn't be calling I don't
know how they got into the booth, Like, I don't
know who approved it for them to get into the
booth to be a part of doing it. Man, that's all.
I'll say some of them, some of the stuff that
like I don't know, and I ain't gonna say no
names or anything like that, but I just you know,
you listen to how they they talk about some of
the things, and you know, in certain situations and clearly

(21:30):
you have zero awareness or understanding what the game of
football is.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
And I just leave it at that.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Man, I really would like and I try not to
be very you know, kind of critical of guys who
are are doing play calls.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
But look, I'm not asking to give a name, like
just what games did they call this weekend?

Speaker 3 (21:51):
You know, I'm not going.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
To do Jonas is driving the bus he wants to
drive over someone, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Going to do that. But I will say, like, you
got to get into some of these. By the way,
the prices.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Notre I think it's all it's over.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yeah, it's like that bunny pag yo one bag, two
g's just to get in.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, it's crazy. That's a that's a hell of a
Christmas gift. So people in Indiana, you got yourselves an idea, right,
throw it out.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
That's going to be a thump too, man. That's that
might be outside of Ohio State, Tennessee, that might be.
I mean, I think Texas and Clemson is going to
be a throttle too, But that'll be a much better game,
people realize. I think that Notre Dame in Indiana is
going to be that's going to be a that's going
to be a fun game to watch.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Man, I think will be in my fourteen. I don't
I don't know who's going to win.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
I just think that that's going to be that's going
to be a fun game to watch because I feel
like there's some relative unknowns in terms of with with
both of them, you know.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Crazy about the like Ohio State, for example, which seats
over one hundred thousand, I think like one hundred and
two or something like that. So a lot of these
tickets they're not transferable, So depending on like where you
purchase through they you're not gonna be able to sell
it to someone else.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Like if you're a part of the Ohio.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
State fan base or alumni and they like try to
like get their tickets to sell them to someone, they'd
have to find another way of doing it. And I
think Tennessee gets like thirty five hundred tickets.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
That's it. That's crazy. So think about that. If Ohio State,
if Buckeye.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Nation shows out the way they can, you're gonna have
like ninety eight thousand Buckeyes fans. If you think about
that home field environment, which is just ridiculous, it's unfortunate.
If you have to play on the road, like Penn
State's gonna be very much the same. I know a
few SMU guys and they're like, I don't know, I
sure if I'm going up there for that one. It's
just going to be such an overwhelming home field advantage

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for a lot of those home teams.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
A good to have you back, boys.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
I got a bone to pick with q Oh, here
we go. This is gonna be great.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
This is gonna be great because I would be careful
about what bone you're picking. I'm gonna pick your bone
and this go ahead, go ahead, So you're like my
little brother.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yeah, I'm make sure everybody knows how much I love
Q and that's my guy.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
And everybody's up to me for everybody runs.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
Up on me like, oh, you know two pros a
cup of Joe like you and you know you guys,
da da da this not the other. Everybody knows my
love a fear for both of you guys. And well,
everybody's coming up to me and saying hey, and this
that and the other and da da da this that
and the other. And you know, I end up getting
a big ass hug from from coach none other than

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Urban Meyer.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
You know. It gives me a big, big ass hug.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
He's like, you see little Bro, I said, little Bro?
I said, what do you mean? What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
You like?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Did you see Brady? I mean, I said, Brady, Wait,
what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know?

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Brady's here? Is it really?

Speaker 5 (25:13):
And I didn't know? And I don't see him. I
haven't seen them. He's like, I think those guys I
think they left, said they left. I said, but you're
saying they were in here like they were here? Yeah, yeah,
yeah I was.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I was. So that's the extent of it.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
So here we go, it's got my side of the story.
This is not gonna end well for one LaVar Arrington.
So first off, I did not know LeVar was going
to be at the same dinner we were at.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Now.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Granted, for the listeners out there, the National Football Foundation,
which selects the College Football Hall of Fame, there is
how many how many people would you guess?

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Is that ball like six seven hundred? I mean it's
it is. It's a very very.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Big ballroom at the Bellagio, and you see basically everyone,
and that's in the college football world.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
To some degree.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
There's like pieces of everyone, right, Like I saw Dan
Mullen and now putting two and two together because you
just accepted the unl the head coaching job, it's like, oh,
now I understand why Dan Mullen was there. But you
see commissioners of every you know, conference, not just powerful
So who's who went there for?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Right, It's a big group.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
So as you're trying to kind of make your way
to however many of the hundreds of tables and so
I think we're at like table one twenty five or
whatever it was. I was unaware, completely unaware that LeVar
was even there. You know, I wasn't able to do
the show with traveling and other stuff and other commitments,
so I wasn't even I wasn't even aware that Leavar

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was there until they go through the announcement of the
players who are up for awards on the stage that night,
and then they go through this long procession, which I'll
be honest with you, it was a little bit odd
because I think every guy keeps handing Matt's side.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Of note, so you got to give them your name.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Right right, which is which is like, come on, let's like,
let's give Matt something else to be able to read
from instead of you guys handing him a slip every time.
But I digress because we weren't walks out and I
was like, well, I didn't know LeVar was even gonna
be here, all right, like like.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
It's such a packed room of people. I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
However, when they did LaVar's intro, they did not mention
two pros and a cup of Joe as.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Part of it. But they did mention the up on
Game Network, did they? Oh they did, LeVar. I didn't
know that, mind you.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
LeVar is the only person who was live streaming from
the second he walked out to taking a picture with
Matt signed to then walking all the way down the
lineup with.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
All the other former or current Hall of famers you know,
form or whatever past weeks.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah, yeah, and it's still I watched the whole thing
that my good dude, like, stop doing it.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
No one else is doing this.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
But you right now, exactly so and so on the
note of Urban Urban was there. He went though with
the Utah crowd for Alex Smith because that.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Was his quarterback. When is it Utah?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
So I saw Urban for a minute, gave him a hug,
game a slap on the ass. That was it, and
then I then I was with the Fox folks and
we had a separate dinner that was set up kind
of after it, so we went for a portion and
then we left afterwards and kind of had a separate dinner.
So I didn't get to see if I didn't see
anyone beforehand, I didn't see anyone, definitely obviously durning it

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because I'm I gonna get up and talk to a
bunch of people during the whole thing. But once I
saw you, then I was like, crap, I'm not getting
able to say out of LaVar. I never even got
to see Paul puts Lesnie, who I played against. We
trained together for a little bit in Arizona. I was
really excited for him. I was excited for Alex, so
I know a little bit saw his dad. Awesome event. However,
I want to make sure Jonas hears this again. Two

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pros and a cup of Joe was not mentioned once
that's up on game.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I didn't hear what he said. I didn't. I know
you did.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
I did because I was sitting there literally say some
of our table.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
He didn't put two pros and a couple of jokes game.
That is not on me. I don't know. This seems
like you're being blameless right now.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
I'm just saying I had no idea what they were
saying in terms of and I just gave him my name.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
You sound a lot like Jonas there, my name is
on the call, who did this show solo? Yesterday's doing
his solo show Saturday.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, and listen.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Also, also, I did.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Get a question from Clatt because hey man, what's up
of you guys talking about me on your show so much?
I go, well, it's a little bit of a turf
war between you and Jonas because he feels like he's
had JKS for a while, and now you did the
whole Joel Clatt show, and it's just it's a battle
right now. I was like, he's battling with you for
the rights to Jayass.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Now I'm not totally offended by Levar's move not mentioning
our show, because.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
That's what you're going with.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Well, because as uh you know, as the main filling
for up on game like, I can't be outraged too
much because you know the main that is part of
my part of my credential.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Wait real quick, so when you need to fill in,
Jonas is the guy you go to. I mean I
would trust, I trust the show, of course you do.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Okay, can I can I tell you guys something incredibly
embarrassing that happened?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Good?

Speaker 4 (30:25):
So it was it was black tie, which I will
say this LeVar, not really black tie the outfit.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I was a little disappointed.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Good for you, bar I hate thank you.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Well it's not even that jacket, did you I had
a jacket on? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Okay, all right, I couldn't tell from where where a
table was. But so anyway, I haven't worked one at
Tuxedo probably since the last time I went to this
exact event. It was back in New York. So that's
how long it's been, because it's been in Vegas now
at least what five years. Yeah, So I haven't worn
tuxedo shoes that I've got that I've worn maybe twice

(31:02):
in my life.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Maybe five six years ago and then ten years ago. Right.
So I put on my tucks and I go downstairs.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
And as I'm walking to go meet one of our
executives at Fox, I'm wearing these tuxedo shoes. I feel
like I like stepped on something like kind of metal
or something. I kind of look back, there's like this
metal strip on the ground. I was like, oh, that's weird.
And I take a few more steps and literally the
bottom sole of my right shoe falls off, like the

(31:32):
whole thing, and so I like turn back and look,
and fortunately, like not many people were really around.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Me, and I like went back. I looked at I
was like, what the hell? So I pick it up,
I walk over the trash can I throw it away?

Speaker 4 (31:45):
And I'm thinking, all right, I guess I'm gonna like
wear one shoe without a sole and the other one's
gonna be fine.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
And it's gonna feel like a slipper. So as I'm.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Walking again closer to the bar, our executive at I
sit down, I s I'm like, dude, I sole my
shoe fell off. I could look and as I look
at my other one, it's already halfway off, so I
literally pull I rip it off. And then I'm looking
at these tuxedo shoes. I'm like, dude, these are not
going to hold up. If I have to walk out
to like anywhere, a car in the ballroom table, these

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things are going to fall apart. They're like glorified slippers
at this point. So it's five o'clock. We're trying to
leave by five thirty and our president's coming. So I'm like,
all right, I can't be late.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Don't want to be.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
I don't want to I want to put my best
foot forward. So I run to the concierge. I'm like, hey,
is there.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Any places that have like a fourteen fifteen like dress
shoe size.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
I was like, please, here's my number, Please like call
me back suits it can. If they could bring him here,
that'd be great, but if not.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I'll try to run and go get them.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
So sure enough, there was only like one store that
had them, and of course it had to be like
a designer store. And I'm not someone who spends money
on shoes, oh like maybe spent two hundred two hundred
fifty bucks.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I'm like a nice padre shoes. But you're in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, So I basically walk over. As I'm walking over,
the bottom blows out of these things. I'm basically barefoot now,
which is not the first time. Probably someone was there.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Bottom blew out, the bottom blew out of it because
it was like glued on at.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
This point Williamson, Hey pretty much.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
And so I'm sitting there walking through the wind like
shop area like in my socks in a black tuxedo.
And I finally go to the store and I just
walked right in and was like, hi, I was supposed
to be grabbing these some shoes, and they're like, okay,
well do you like this? I go, I don't care
about any style. I go, I need something that matches
with this, and I need it like right now. And

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so they brought out like six pairs and fortunately like
one fit, paid way too much for it, and then
went back and was able to get in the car
in time to not let anyone know what was happening.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
So you're not going to let them in on what
what the tag was? Huh?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
It was it was one hundred percent over one thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
It was. That was actually not I know you had
I basically had. It was. I didn't even look after tax,
so it might have been after tax, but bro, it was.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
I was like this place, man, this Vegas place, they'll
get you no matter what is.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
You can try winning money. They will find ways of
like up flights to dollars some shoes. Dude, it was
eight hundred and eighty bucks. Oh yeah, man. But the
thing is like, what was I gonna do? Walk my
socks rest to night?

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Like I literally the lady goes, oh, do you want
me to give you a box to put.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Your other shoes in?

Speaker 4 (34:28):
I go, oh, they're right there in the trash can,
like they're they're They're done. I have no options, Like
this is it. I had sneakers on, well, so I
was trying to get sneakers. They didn't have any of
my size. Yeah I had something and by the way,
I had some dressed clothes.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
It was it was it was fair Gama, which like
at that point, yeah, yeah, you got lucky, bro. Honestly,
I mean here Gamo in Vegas, you got lucky eight
hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
That's that's what Uh, that's what everyone kind of said
when I kind of told the story should have been
more expensive, like, well, maybe I'm a.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Cheap ass then yeah, way more. I mean, but you
are Brady Quinn too. But I will say this, I
will say this. You said you didn't bring up or
get the chance to holler at Puzz. If there's one
dude that I might say that, well, if I if
I had to choose, I don't know who I could
choose between. If I said, if I could come back

(35:20):
and be that guy, I don't if I look like that.
If I could come back and be that guy, always
say Brady Quinn. I was reminded the last few times
I've seen Puzz, that's a that's a super and that's
a superhero right there too. Bro, oh man, that is
one good looking dude. Man, that is a good looking dude. Brouh, Hey,

(35:43):
you take it however you want to take it. I
don't get down that.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
I'm still upsetting I didn't get to say hot on
him and congratulated that was one of them.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Man.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Outside of the dinner we had and see some of
the folks at Fox. That was one of my biggest
motivations was seeing him.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Well, I'll make sure I let him know. Man, what
a what a good dude.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I just love. I can't get over the uh No,
two Pros and a cup of Joe.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
I mean, I didn't even hear it, So I didn't
I didn't hear what the intro was.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Here's here's the only thing I'll say, not in.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Your defense, every single other player that like came up
with some sort of superlative did not have anything in
regards to what they're doing professionally or anything.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
You were one that that is a part of it.
Pros and Joe was in no way shape. But do
you want to know why that is?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Let me give you the inside scoop on why that
you do content for them?

Speaker 5 (36:33):
That's why that's I they're pushing. They're pushing the fact
that they're doing content.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Now.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
I'm just letting you know. And I don't want to
help launch that. That that's all that was, man, That's
that's all that was. And I didn't know that Shanks
is now part of the He's on the committee on
the board like he's on the board. I saw Kevin Plank.
Kevin Plank is on the board, so that I mean that,
you know, you know, I got it. I didn't hear

(37:00):
the introduction as to what they said about me. First
and foremost, I was too busy fan boying. I fanboy out,
like I don't know if people understand this, but when
we get an opportunity to get get there, I'm sitting there.
And one thing that really still kind of throws me
for like the biggest, biggest, like like kicking the head,

(37:21):
is when you watch something growing up in particular, like inspecific,
like and you can remember because of how amazing the
moment was, you can remember where you were, what you
were doing, and how it all played out, and you
get to hear the people who were there, like the

(37:43):
main like the person that was the person.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Tell the story.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
I fanboyed out seeing Tommy Fraser man like I was
with I would staying. I spent a lot of time
with Marcus Allen and Ronnie Lott. They're like the twins.
Like them dudes are like Thicket Theeves.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
And Mark sound doesn't edge, he doesn't take that off
the exact same and bro.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Look he is as smooth as day one. Still as
smooth as day one.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
That is one smooth dude right there.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Man.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
But Tommy Frazier, I'm like, dang like I always love
bringing up the Orange Bowl.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
He wrapped my heart out. I was.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I was a diehard Hurricanes fan.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
He was telling you to wear ass up and spit
him out. And you know, Zach, Zach Wiegert is my
that's when he's my class.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
He's twenty two on. Can we pause for a second.
So Jonas's favorite teams just to list.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Them off, Okay, yeah, there you go, come on, Boston Celtics,
the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's a rumor too that you like.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
The Chicago Bears, which during his childhood or adolescents, there's
the eighty five Bears, which pretty much everyone compares, you know,
the best defenses to.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
The Hurricanes with wars.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
That was no, it was you were the biggest.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Don't don't you were? I was a kid wagon fan
of sports i've ever heard of.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
So when I was a kid, there were teams that
I like. I just liked the logos. I liked how
because I'm a child, What is what is even the logo.
What is the log the Cubs?

Speaker 4 (39:18):
The Cubs was the only respectable one where you actually
enjoyed the year?

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Why?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Why? Because I've had to wear it for for all
my life.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah, but you actually won one eventually.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
I'm just saying, through your childhood, you didn't actually root
for a team that won in baseball.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Well, the point is you were walking around putting you
up with your hands.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
No, I didn't know what that was back then, but
I just remember Geno Toretta, all those guys, and when
they when they played Nebraska, of.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Course the Italian Yeah, everybody wanted to see I don't know.
I felt like back then the game was like basically
it was almost like, you know, convicts versus Catholics, because.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
That was Corey.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
If you were if you were of a if you
were of the Catholic persuasion, you wanted to see Nebraska win.
If you were a convict persuasion, you wanted Miami to win.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I'm just setting the.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
T shirt for this, the first playoff game, Catholics versus cigarettes.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about Yeah, we talked about it.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I haven't seen the T shirt though, it's great.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Why is that where cigarettes come from.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Even smoke.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
But I think like they all have the Marlborough logo.
People were making with shirts that just said sig So
that's where it came from.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
I believe during the season, you know, he's got the
red ass man he does. He's like, he's like he
feels like he's got a point to prove.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Man. Well, yeah, he was saying like, hey, we should
be hosting the game. It's like, well, all right, I mean,
we'll see, We'll see.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
You guys are playing real well right now? Man, Yeah,
that's going to be a good game. It's gonna be
a great atmosphere.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
I fortunately get to go to a couple of great
games that night next Friday, and then obviously the Ohio
State Tennessee game as well.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
So that's going to be a throttle. I can't wait
to see that. It's gonna be some great football. I
think I might even stay home.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Man.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
I've been like debating if I'm going to go to
State college or not. What I just I just feel
like I need to be in a place where I
can be situated to kind of watch the way I
want to watch.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
This has never happened before. You gotta be I'm saying the.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
First time effort, you fly across the country the whole
entire year, you're not going to go to this one.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Well, I guess maybe y'all decided.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
And if, like, of all of the like playoff games
in this round, I would say, is that the biggest spread?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
I think it is. I want to say it's four
or four and a half. I could be off efforting.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
I got I gotta say though, Man, Like I got
as drunk as drunk is in Vegas, and maybe I
just have to continue to like get myself reset. I
get a week, I get the rest of this week
to kind of reset my myself. But man, that was
a rough trip for me, Like when I traveled back,
Like when I woke up and had to get on
my airplane, which, by the way, the security gates.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Eight and a half points. By the way, it's not
the largest, but it's the second largest.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
That's pretty that's pretty large.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I mean, if you had to sit through U c.
L A, the least you could do is go back
for this one.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Had to. I was there for the UCLA gain.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, wasn't all that entertaining.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
I'll tell you this. I won't be on the sideline.
I'm going straight to the suits because it's going to
be freezing for reason.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Man, I still can't believe LeVar what no two pros
and a couple of joms.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
I did not know what. I had no idea what
they were reading or what they were saying, had no
input in it. I'm just just letting y'all know.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I feel bad for my boy Matt signed though, because.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
He's got to read through the whole deal. How many
former guys were there? Was it like one hundred?

Speaker 5 (43:01):
Uh, not quite that many.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
It was It was a lot, though, Yeah, it was
a lot. There were a lot these guys read through
all these names. And that's after he does all the
players who are there that night and mad guy, So
I was.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
He probably did more with me because I spend so
much time with him. Man, that's like, that's my guy.
So I was with him all day. You know, I
got you. I'm just saying you could have given. I
got politics going on, man, I've been and you're one
of the guys. I've been politicking for he to work
another one. I've been politiiccking for you know.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
That was the thing.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
It's like some of these guys like work done. I'm like,
work done, wasn't long? Yeah, Yeah, it's like some of
those guys you Selarry Fitzgerald exactly. I was like, dang, really,
I was like, and again, I don't know all what
goes into it. Like when you see guys like Danny
Wood Eddard, I'm on Edwards, You're like all right, like.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Like you sitting there like where I'm at, Brady, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
I'm not sitting there thinking that. I'm thinking at the
same time as Larry Fitzgerald. And you know, like like
others that I played, was a hell of a class man.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Julius Peppers. Yeah, it's the same thing, Like Julius Peppers.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
I'm like, why is I'm like all these guys I'm like,
or Tim Couch, Like Tim Couch is already in.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Yeah, he's a good looking dude too, man, God dang.
And though was Hutchinson Steve Hutchinson.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Now, so you know we hated great, you know, we
hated each other. I know, I know, but I'm saying,
like he slimmed down here, he awesome.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
You wouldn't even know he's that guy, you know, he
was aliveeman. Yeah, you wouldn't even know who who's that
good looking guy.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah right, like Steve Hutchinson was like, damn, man, hutch
looks good.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
He was walking we were at the after like, we
were drinking afterwards and hanging out and he was walking by.
I was like, I looked at him. I was like, hey,
we're good. He looked at me and he's like, yeah,
we're good. I was like, all right, man. I was like,
I know I hate you and I know you hate me.
I was like, but you know, we're on the same
team now. And I was like, so, I guess we

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got a beard a hatchet, and I gotta love you
now and you gotta love me.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
So let's just get over it.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
And we gave each other a big ass hug and
we started we all started having laughs and started talking.
So that was a great moment because we had some battles.
I mean, we were battling from from Michigan and Penn
State to him being in Seattle. Every time we played
it was I mean, we had some down right, out

(45:33):
right straight up wars me and him like him and
I like it was it was a hate.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
It was like he's one.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
There's like there's like a couple players that I had
a handful of that I like, legitimately I hated them,
and he was on my list, and I know I
was on his because I could tell by the way
he came.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
After me that that we were on that list.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
And I could tell by the way like I would
see him and we would see each other. We ever spoke,
we never did anything like it was like on site
type of hate with me and him. And we buried
the hatchet in Vegas, which was really cool. Shows it
shows age. I said, listen, we don't play no more,
like I went through the whole thing, because that's how
bad it was, Like I went through the whole thing,

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like I know, we don't play no more.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
This is not an on field.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Thing, like like hey man, we're good, like I'm good
with you, Like really my hate was really wrapped into
being a fan of how how hard you played and
how how good you were. And he went, he went
to give me a hug. I went to give him
a hug, and then we shook hands. And when he
went to shake my hand with his right hand, he
didn't have on his cause you know, you put your
ring on, you put your Hall of Fame ring on.

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He didn't have his college Hall of Fame ring on.
He had his pro Hall of Fame ring on, and
it looks very different from the College one, and I
was like, yeah, f you man. I went right back
to hate Hutch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
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Speaker 3 (47:10):
Eastern three am Pacific.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Sure, boy, man, we are going.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Is it back? That's your man? Yeah, it leads back.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I mean it is feeling good too.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
There you go. Feels lighter, feels better.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
I couldn't wait for the commercial break at least.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
No. Yeah, why do you say no like that? League?

Speaker 5 (47:40):
I mean because when nature calls, it calls, you know,
Coops in my.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Seat anyway, so might as well.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
So yeah, Coop does take a little while, and the
last thing I need is him holding it in waity.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Was that makes it worse?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
It starts leaking out? Wow, there we go?

Speaker 3 (48:00):
All right. I mean that's just bad. I mean he's
not a sewage pipe, you know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I'll argue that fix my sewage pipe. Not my sewage pipe,
but my sewage pipe.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
I would suggest if you're getting up there in age,
and and that up there in age is getting a
little lower by the year. Make sure you go get
your sewage pipe checked out. Make sure you're good man,
that's right. Might make it on the best of There
you go while we're on while we're on it. Just
make sure you go get yourself checked don't be too
good to go get you know, the pipe checked out.

(48:40):
There you go, and I'm being did serious, man, go
get that thing checked out, because save your life. Hey,
let's talk about older age.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
By the way, final call. Are we staying on that?
Are we staying on?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
That's a transition right there.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Well done.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I'm sure he goes and gets his just like he
told a room full hall of famers. You can catch
all of those transitions on the up on Game Network.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
I didn't tell anybody anything. I was just live streaming,
that's all. Don't do that. Don't be passive aggressive.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
That's ten dollars, ten dollars. Yeah, I didn't do that.
That was not me, all right. So Belichick Bill Belichick
man Matt Sign. Bill Belichick was introduced to yesterday at
Chapel Hill new head coach at North Carolina and spoke
about his decisioning and also what the future could look
like for the Tariells.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
I always wanted a coach in football, coaching college football,
it just never really worked out. Had some good years
in the NFL, so that was okay. This is really
kind of a dream come true. I grew up in
college football with my dad, and so it's great to
come back home to Carolina, you know, back in an
environment that I really grew up in. There'll certainly be
a strong presence of NFL people on the staff. I

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think that's a certainty, and not only in the staff
and in the training area. But at the same time,
I'm looking for the best people we can get for Carolina,
and that fit I think is a little different than
what an NFL team would have.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
But we'll see your legacy. You say, I keep coaching.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
Well, beat's working. You know, when you love what you do,
And my dad told me this, when you love what
you do, it's not work, it's really it's I love
what I do.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I love coaching.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
But what do you say to people that fear that
if you do succeed here that you might leave for
the NFL again in a year or two.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, I didn't come here to leave? Yeap, Oh, go
ahead and clap it up. Oh yeah, it's called respect. Man. Well,
did you see these stipulations in his contract? What his
buyout is? Yeah, you sent it to us, right, is.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
That your Basically by the summer of next year, it
goes for like a ten million dollars buyout.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
It's like one million dollars man.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
That's basically saying, listen, please hire me. Wow, I want
you the job.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
It's more like he's going to take it now and
then get to the spring and be give me something more.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah, maybe this isn't what I thought, you know, Like,
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sure really what the
point of structuring this deal like that is for, only
because unless it was misreported, it really doesn't benefit him
or the school, you know, Like you'd think that it
would at least go through the first year. But either way,
if he's not gonna leave, he's not gonna leave. He's

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got three years of guarantees.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
In this contract.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
We haven't seen all the details, so we don't know
exactly the specifics. But let's just say he's gonna be
there three years. What you'd bet on is that he's
gonna be there for three years lay the foundation of
what this program is gonna look like at UNC, and
his son's gonna take over. From all reports, that was
part of the reason why he made this decision. His son,
Steve Belichick, who was coaching at Washington under Jedfish as

(51:53):
their defensive coordinator, will now I assume, be their defenseive
coordinator and their head coaching waiting. That's most likely plan,
and there's nothing wrong with that if you could do
it right. I mean, I mean, I know some people
are gonna be upset by it. I know Stuart Mandel
wrote this skating column about why it's not going to work,
and you know why. You know, these college schools and

(52:14):
universities they go after NFL coaches.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
And it never works, all right, Which, look, Stewart.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Didn't admit the fact that you know, they basically if
there was ever a time that it would work, this
probably would be that time.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
And that's what I would argue.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Although the miscalculation is if you look at what they've
talked about, Michael Lombardi's talked about as his general manager
there UNC, how they're going to build through the transfer portal,
and you go look at Dion's success from year one
to year two. One of the biggest things Dion talked
about from year one to year two was the changes

(52:49):
on his staff. He went from thinking he needed to
have college coaches at the college level and instead brought
in more NFL mindset NFL coaches.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
In his second year as a head coach.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
So it's actually the opposite of what Stewart has written
about in this sense that like Dion's example of what
he's built is more of an.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
NFL style program at Colorado.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
And if that's what Bill Belichick's trying to do, if
that's what if you look at all of the great
coaches who've won national championships send guys in the NFL,
they're building in a similar fashion, or they have built
in a similar fashion. They have a gigantic scouting departments
for high school transfer portal, you know, all these all
these different levels of recruitment, just like you kind of

(53:38):
do if you're in an NFL franchise. So I'll say again,
the age thing is the one thing that you say, Okay, well,
just how long does you want to do it? I
would imagine if you're Bubba Cunningham by the way their
athletic director at UNC. If he's signed up to bring
in Bill Belichick, he knows what he's signing up for.
And I don't think this is something that happened over

(53:59):
the past seventy two hours. The past week. You know,
there was reports that he wanted to fire Mac Brown
or wont to mac Brown to step down during the season.
It didn't happen. Then it got to a certain point
where he had to make the decision. And if that
was happening, I don't think it's too far fetched to
think that Bubba Countingham wasn't putting out feelers and maybe

(54:21):
poked around with someone like Bill Belichick. Hey, Billy 're
out right now working in the media, would you be
interested in you and see?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (54:29):
I mean there's a three hundred page report that Bill
Belichick gave you and see as to how he was
going to build this up and all that's come to
their agreement. Do you think that happened overnight. I mean,
he's been preparing for this moment, So I think all
of this has probably been going on for a lot
longer than we realized.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Behind the scenes.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
I look at Bill Belichick and the first thing I
think about off the bat is he's way too competitive,
just like I made the comparison of Tom Brady going
into the booth, way too competitive to not succeed at
what it is that he's doing. And while we may
say this is a different level that he's going to,

(55:10):
it's still the same sport, it's still the same game.
So it's not even the same type of adjustment. And
speaking of what he and what Tom have done going
into media and being in the booth, he's not going
there to lose. He's not going there just to get
a cash grab. And I think that might be part
of the reason why, you know, go ahead and make

(55:32):
my buyout a low buyout, because by the time we
get to the end of year one, there's not going
to be the discussion of any buyouts. It's going to
be holy crap, look at what Bill Belichick did at
you and see that's what I believe he's thinking, you know.
And then and then let me make this point. The
other point is, and it was in sound as well,

(55:54):
was him talking about because everybody keeps talking about how
will Bill Belichick recruit, how will he be attractive to
the recruits? And he made a very, very strong mention
of guys that he's coached, including Tom Brady, talked about
his draft pick number and how late he was taken

(56:17):
and that, and named other players that did not come
right in immediately and be positive contributors and big time
players and the greatest players of all time right out
the gate that it took time to develop them. If
you're getting a glowing endorsement from the horse's mouth themselves,

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that development is going to be the key approach to
what it is that he's doing. He has now already
put himself hidden shoulders above probably ninety eight point of
the coaches that are in the college game right now
by saying we are going to take the focus and

(57:00):
put it on developing the players that come to our program.
I think already right now he's established the fact that
he understands.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
What he needs to do at the college level.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
He's using the lingo that would match what you're supposed
to say as a college coach. I think that Bill
Belichick has ultimately thought it through and has really really
has really really come to terms with I can do it,
and therefore, if they give me every single thing I want,

(57:36):
where I can run this program and beyond and beyond
with what I'm doing. I'm going to come here and
I'm going to do it, and I might just finish
out my coaching career at the school. I don't think
that's far fetched to think at all.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Well, but it's also probably the right approach. Like Stuart Mandelan,
some of these people that are like, well, it's not
going to work, this will never work. His approach will
never work in college dude, how do you know? How
do you know? And first of all, Deon Sanders has
been great for college football, and there were a lot
of people that were rooting for their Demison year for it,
and I'm still saying it's not going to work. Belichick.

(58:16):
Belichick has just made North Carolina football so much more
interesting just by signing on the dotted line, whatever the
buyout is, whatever that is. I'm fascinated to watch North
Carolina football next year, Like just like I didn't think
I was going to be interested in watching Colorado football
a couple of years ago. It put him back on
the map and it's worked to a certain degree. Is

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he going to win a national title? Probably not, but
this but why.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Would you say that un C is a legitimate university
with legitimate resources, and Bill Belichick is a legitimate commodity
that can bring way more resources to a legitimate school.
Why not think that they can go to this man
had won so many Super Bowls. Why would you not
think that he can put together I A'm not gonna

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win a national title if they're a five hundred football
team he's taking over.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I don't look at it as like national championship or
College Football Playoff or bust. It's taking a team that
hasn't been on the map in a little while. I
think they've got one double digit win season and like
at twenty plus years or whatever it is. And it's
an interesting hire. And it's a guy who's always prepared,
who's going to come in with his own ideas and
own philosophy and getting to go after the players he

(59:26):
wants to go after. I think it's going to be
fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Come on, man, I.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Would not be surprised that they're challenging for a national
title in the next two years.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Okay, all right, we have what that next two years?
That okay, a year, yeah, that's a that's if one
hundred and twenty other teams get sanctions. Why is that
Carolina will be competing for.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Hey man, we're in the era.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
So are you saying hold on, are you saying making
the playoff or you said the playoff like be a competitor.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Well, being AMC is not very good.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
I know they've got a couple of teams in, but
still he could be a player in the next two
years with the type of resources.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I think you put this on at the table. Clemson,
all right, Clemson s m U, the biggest underdogs. Ah, yes, yes,
I believe so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
I guess it's not that it might be it might
not be that difficult to win the a SEC.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
I don't think it's far fetched at all.