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Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar makes his way to Happy Valley for cold weather game in the College Football Playoff. Doug Gottlieb explains the issues with reporting on NIL and what went down between him and Adam Schefter. Plus, Albert Breer from TheMMQB stops by.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings and Rady Winn and Jonas Knox
on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Little getaway day to a state college bar to make
it happen.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Out of here, man, here he comes. I'm in the
waiting Stick City, baby hitting its Stick City. Yeah, he's
gonna stop that Pony Express.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Man.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Well, I ain't stopping nothing, but you know, hopefully, my guys,
dud what was it?

Speaker 6 (00:35):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Was it dancers with wolves that got a lot of flak?
Or there was people who thought like they killed a
bunch of horses in that movie.

Speaker 7 (00:42):
I think that was. That was that sant Anita documentary.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Oh jeez, that was brave Heart.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
That wasn't I mean, I was being somewhat serious. But
the whole point is, like, it's the Pony Express. You
got the Mustangs all that enough.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Yeah, you got the Mustangs, s MU you know, and
I team that shows you what anil can do. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah, give you a good team, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
You've got a little bit of oil, you know, you
got a little bit of cash, you know, and end
up in the playoffs. So there you go. You know,
I'm excited for the game. I think people are underestimating
the Mustangs. Honestly, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
There are some people that are saying it's just such
a cake walk for Penn State done it. I don't
think it's gonna be a cakewalk.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
They're gonna have offense, and they showed they have experience
and being able to uh overcome a deficit. If he
was watching them paying attention to how they won the
conference so over what I think is a pretty dog
go on good Clemson team. So you know, yeah, I'm
not taking a conference.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
But they did. They did come back in the game.
They didn't they came back. Did they lose, Yeah, they lost,
but that's why clemsons. But anyway, they do have a
bunch of edge rushes up front. They are very capable
of rushing the passer, creating big plays. Having Jennings their
quarterback special, he's a fun player to watch. The running
back can get after it. So it'll be a challenge.
I mean Pitt Station dominating the trenches like that's where

(02:09):
a school like that should say we're the more physical team.
We're gonna run it down your throat and we're gonna
be able to get after you.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Up front, but that's why we play the games. Man, Yeah,
can you handle that weather? You know that's it's going
to be bone chillingly cold, so you know, hopefully they
have to try to adjust to being in that, you know,
in the mountains.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
I do have to ask this because that's been a
big topic.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I mean, it's been a big topic in a bunch
of different ways, whether it's college football at the NFL.
I think maybe we've got some sound of Kyler Murray
I sent up. Not sure if forgot it, but did
it make a big difference to you with it being
that cold? As a player, like I mean, Jonas, I
would say, even as a fan, do you feel like

(02:56):
it enhances the.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Environment is to take away from it in your opinion?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I mean, I've frozen my ass off at a couple
of Bears games and it's just it's it's uncomfortable, but
you're trying whatever you can to stay warm, and it
almost feels like because you're not able to leave your
seat and run around, run around, you think, well, maybe
they've got it better than we do.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
Like, as a fan, it's pretty miserable.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Oh, the players have it better than you do because
they have heated benches. So there there is that element
that you know you can you can retreat to heat,
and those those heated benches work. I mean, you can
stay warm on those those heated heated benches. But I
would say ultimately, the breathing, you know, like how how

(03:41):
the air fills on your lungs when you're out there running.
I think that plays a part. Even if you're a
cold weather team. I think if you're transitioning into a
different part of the country and you're breathing that air
versus the air you're breathing every day, I think there
is something to be said about adjusting and adapting to

(04:02):
that cold air.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
You're not a cold air guy. You don't like to
breathe that cold air.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
I mean, I think it just it drives you out.
It drives you out.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
I talked to coach Franklin Esther, and I said, you know,
do you believe in the whole Do you believe in
the whole weather situation? You know, do you practice indoors
or do you practice outside for the sake of maybe
not getting any cold weather injuries like pools or anything
like that, hamstrings, you know, different things like that. He said,

(04:33):
he likes to contrast, he likes to warm them up indoors,
but he likes to take them outside. I think there's
going to be something to be said about the footing
because they had to remove snow from from the field.
It's a grass field, so this isn't like a turf,
you know, artificial surface.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's a real, real field. So there's the whole idea
of are you used to the grass?

Speaker 5 (04:55):
So I think there are some elements that they're going
to have to adapt into adjust to that could play
in the favor of the team that's used to.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
What the footing is used to.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
What breathing the air in, and and dealing with that
cold that I've.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Never heard if anyone say that, I know, I know,
I grew up in it. I've played in a bunch,
I get all that.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I just I've never heard anyone talk about that angle
of it, a like bothering them.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, because you'll dry out pretty quickly,
you know.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well I get that. I mean that's why, like as
a quarterback, you know, like my voice, I would imagine
it's like I've gone to like some doctors, like look
your vocal cords. They're probably damaged because like you're out
there yelling and barking at people from.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
With some cold ass vocal course, that cold air.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It's got that cold air.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's getting you, man. I would say this.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I've always said ball security ends up beingcoming an issue
because you're no your your hands aren't you know, you
can't feel them as well. If you're a ball carrier
and you got tucked like, you can't feel it as well.
All those things play a little bit of a factor.
As a quarterback. Your grip, I never felt comfortable. We're

(06:05):
in glove, a glove on my throwing hand. Uh, it's
it's just a different it's a different feel in your
motion to throw it. Some guys like doing it, some
guys adjust to it, some some camp like. It was
just never something I wanted to risk because I never
grew up wearing a glove in cold weather, so I
didn't need it in South Bend. Didn't feel like I
never was going to use it in the NFL. I
liked wearing out my offhand because then I felt like

(06:27):
at least I always had like a solid grip from
that standpoint. But if you can't feel it, it's hard
to spin it. If you, it's hard to spin it.
You're in bad weather, you can throw, you know, less
accurate passes. You know, the ball is gonna kind of
duck and tail and do all kinds.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Of things to you. So because it's heavier, it feels
heavier when it's cold.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Right now, it never felt heavier, It just it felt
like harder.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
It's like, I know, the balls always felt different when
it was like super super super cold.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Like, yeah, it doesn't have like any type of give.
It like feels like a rock, right, And that's and
that's why the secret is.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Usually you get a little bit of air lossy cold weather,
and that can come from the natural elements.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
But we've heard about this, Yeah you may or you
may or made out like this is a little secret
that everything. Oh Tom Brady, well here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
When they got popped for doing it in New England,
and correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
That was versus the Colts. Yeah, that was indoors.

Speaker 7 (07:22):
Was it not outdoors?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
It was that New.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
England because I thought they were playing in Indie when
they first recognized it when Daquel Jackson picked that off.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
No, it was.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
It was outdoors in New England playoff game Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Thought it was, but they did. I thought it was
the Indie game that they discovered it because da Quail
was the person that's sit right, that's.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
That's what I's wrong with the balls, And I thought
they were in Indy for that one. But anyway you
guys might my point would have been, I think they
got to the point where that's just how Tom liked
the balls. He would he would take a certain amount
out that supposed it was the kind of around that
bottom line threshold. Like I never liked football like that.
Loo was in cold weather, then I wasn't doing it
for me so much. You do it for your wide

(08:03):
receivers because it's not like in cold weather.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
I mean, it's very rare.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
You're gonna be airing it out a ton, and it
obviously impacts your downfield passing, but it will not impact
as much as that short kind of passing control game.
So usually you try to take a little out just
to help out the wide receivers because then to your point,
that ball doesn't come out and you're not like throwing
an absolute rock at someone every time.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
It's a little easier for them to handle.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Did you guys ever not care about the result of
a game, but the weather was so miserable, You're like,
I just want to get in the locker room. I
don't like if we win, we win Chicago, Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
We were out of the playoffs and it was the
last game of the year.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
Because that was the guy.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
I was like, wind loser, draw man.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
It's cold as f out here, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Gonna give them all. I'm gonna give them all.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
But yeah, I just hope these showers are you know,
are saw and they weren't. They were cold showers. So
it was kind of like that was very, very disappointing. Yeah,
Chicago was.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
It was a guy from the Cowboys on the Ice
Bowl documentary who said it was the only game in
his career that he can remember, and that was a
championship game that he didn't care if they won. He
just wanted to go get warm, like he couldn't feel anything.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
State Championship in Manchion Field, Manchion Field ninety three. I
was numb for at least a week after that game.
And we won, thank god we beat cbe West. But yeah,
it was it was and you didn't have the luxuries
that that pro so that guy talking about the Ice Bowl,

(09:40):
he's probably one of those guys. They probably only had
the little jet fuel heaters, the jet fire heaters on
the side.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Possibly maybe they didn't even have that back then.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
But we had none of that, no heat, no nothing,
just out there seven o'clock on in al Tuna, PA
playing football in November. I'm pretty sure it was like
late November. But that was miserable too. But you had
to push through that one that was a little different.

(10:12):
That was that was for the chip. But yeah, man,
I have been in games where it was so cold,
like I remember playing in Green Bay. I got concussion.
Is that I sacked? I sacked me in being Bruce
Smith met up at Brett Forth and hit him and
it looked like I got concussed off of me and

(10:33):
Bruce colliding into Brett. It was actually I popped off
of Brett because because Bruce hit him at the same time,
and I hit my head off of the ground and
it was literally like concrete and you couldn't breathe. It
was hard to breathe. So yeah, I mean that was Yeah.
I've had those type of games.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Man.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Air was going straight through you know when they say
the hawk is out. Now that's a true statement. You know,
when the hawk is out, uh get it'll get you.
It'll goes straight through you. When when air so cold
it just runs just blows straight through you, that's when
you know you're in trouble, you know, in terms of
how cold it's going to be and what you gotta

(11:12):
deal with.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
So the Kyler Murray comment that Brady mentioned, he was great.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
He was trying he.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Said this up though they're playing in Carolina. Apparently it
sna be what thirty five in Carolina?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, And so he was trying to, hey, you know,
I've played in cold weather before, and this sound sounded yesterday.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
No, I mean I don't I've played in cold weather before.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
It's I don't know how cold it is supposed to be,
like thirty five.

Speaker 7 (11:38):
Yeah, and that's thirty five.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, I mean that's like that's Carolina thirty five, which
is like not ever close. That's like a beautiful winter
day in like Pittsburgh or you know Philadelphia or you
know State College or Ohio.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
It's just completely different. But that's a great day for today.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
If you like, they would take that trust the SMU
would would love thirty five at stake College for their matchup.
So yeah, I think it's awesome. It's fun. It makes
part of the game man for people. Here's the problem
is there's a lot of people out there who are like, oh, mill,
you know what the conditions to impact the game. It's like, well,
we've allowed it to happen for one hundred years, and

(12:22):
now because we've got NFL franchises that build out these domes,
we're like, well, we don't want our games to be
sided because of why, There's been plenty of opportunities in
chances to about the history of football that have had
bad weather games and games have been impacted by the
weather and teams had to overcome it. That's part of
the sport. That's why it's not basketball. That's why it's

(12:42):
not some of these other sports out there that they're
in a controlled environment and it's boring as hell to watch.
Let's just be real about it, Like you want to
name some of the reasons why the NBA stinks that
it's not as fun to watch, that's one of them.
It's the same crap every single night, Like how different
are they of the scheme and the teams anything else.
Outside of some of the pieces that are on those

(13:03):
you know, the different pieces on the team.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Now they're painting the corns of more vibrant color.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Is cool, Like, it's just that's part of the beauty
of football is you can get a game that's gonna
be maybe the sixties this week, and one that's in
the teens with snow and wind and everything else, and
we have to see who's best prepared to survive all
those elements. And you might say, well, well, that's that
takes away from how good. No, it's not. That's just
part of the game.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Part of it.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I hate that, man. I hear that sometimes and I'm
not gonna throw some under the bus, but I will
for this person because he does that enough on his own.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Pete Prisco is one of those people.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, Pete Prisco is the king of Oh I want
to see the quarterbacks choking around. It's like, all right, Pete.
Pete's also a guy. He's basically been a South Florida
guy his entire life. So he hates the cold, which
is why he actually thinks that He's just never come
to that conclusion at any point.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
That's what Pittsburgh got. I hate the cold. You can
tell breathe the cold air.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Like I've never heard anyone say that. There's no Chancel
LeVar ever moving anywhere anywhere that's not going to be
into warm weather.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's why I like what Buffalo's doing. The bills are like, no,
we're still we're outdoor stadium. Like, we're not going to
do a dome. We're not going to try and be
one of these places that's hoping we can get a
Super Bowl and we'll make it comfortable for everybody. We're
gonna do an outdoor stadium and that's just the way
we're going to operate things good. It's football weather, we'll
throwback to how it should be. By the way, the
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(14:27):
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Speaker 3 (14:38):
The boot ow about eight and a half.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
That's a terrible football number.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, I mean if you're if you're like indecisive about it,
that's when we're like, oh, Penn State's gonna beat them,
and then Penn State's ahead and all of a sudden,
SMU comes back at the end of the game and.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
You're going, what happened?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
We got it within one score, game got within eight points,
so you lose the bet man.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Just that's one of those You're you're living and dying
on a two point conversion.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
That's the scary.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Thing about SMU two is when you look at the
construct of their team, they really are a team that's
they're kind of built a win no matter what the
game flow looks like. And that's one of the things
I've noticed about kind of watching their tape. They're more
of a spread. They can be up tempo, they can
they can run the football, but really if they need
to come back, they can and you saw that again

(15:27):
in the a SEC Championship game. But they also can
get it against the you know, they can get after
like at at last year. Took all those kids from
the University of Miami when he was there in twenty
twenty twenty twenty one, and he brought Elijah Roberts, the
two other edge rushers that he brought over, Jaafari Harvey,
he brought there's another one too. All those guys came
over from Miami and he brought those guys and now

(15:49):
they're able to go absolutely get after it upfront, and
so it's just kind of interesting. You talked about Nil
and how they built their roster. It was through anil,
but it's also through just the circumstances of Red Lashley
being there as an offensive coordinator at the University of
Miami and looking at those guys.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Of front me life.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Hey, if you guys want to leave, like, we'll make
sure we get something.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Good for you over here in Dallas. So you know,
come on board man.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
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Speaker 2 (16:28):
One of our teammates here at Fox Sports Radio, Doug Gottlieb,
has been in the news. He is the new head
coach at Green Bay in the news Wisconsin, green Bay
the Phoenix and they, you know, had a little bit
of an issue. They lost to Division two Michigan Tech
at home on Wednesday. They're in the midst of in

(16:50):
eight game losing streak. They're two and eleven Underdoug, who's
trying to take over the program and steer them in
the right direction.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Don't be trying to take over? Is it taking it over?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well, no, he's taken over, trying to steer them in
the right direction. Oh, and so the reason this popped
up in the news this week is because Doug had
a little bit of an issue with a report about
Sacramento State's NIL funding and how much they had as
opposed to what the reality is with Adam Schefter who

(17:21):
reported it initially, and so Doug and Adam Schefter had
a back and forth. Adam Schefter took a shot at
Doug kind of made the rounds, and so the bigger
topic turned to the NIL world, which we have discussed
on this show several times before, and Doug took time
to address the situation with the media yesterday, and it

(17:43):
sounded like this part of.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
The energy towards Schefty was this, when people put out
that a program has fifty million dollars in NIL, it
makes programs at this level, which is the same level
basketball wise, look like, what are we doing because we're
nowhere near that neither, like my brother coach at Sacramento State.
So there is no one who's more familiar with the

(18:05):
cal State system, with Sacramento State than I am, outside
of my brother because he coached there. So again, part
of my energy towards it was like, there's just so
much bs out there about what's really happening in the
NIL world, and here we are, We're asking our donors
to help us in any way possible financially, and how
does that make them feel? Like, Okay, we're nickel and diming,

(18:26):
But like the reality is, they're nowhere near that. I
texted with Chef t text me back, We're good. Obviously
I end up looking on social media the worse for
it point remains that there's nothing about his tweet in
terms of the facts which we're accurate. And again I
don't necessarily blame him. I blame the people that just
tell blatant lies to reporters and they go with the

(18:48):
biggest number possible.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
So that was Doug talking about the NIL rumors and stories.

Speaker 7 (18:55):
That are out there that are spread by people in
the media. You guys are way more knowledgeable about this, I.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Would say this. I would agree with Doug in the
sense of there is so much you can call it propaganda.
You could call it just irresponsible reporting, and I understand,
like you have to see kind of the whole big
picture and all this for a lot of people in
Am Schefter's position. There's other people you could throw it
to Ian Rappaport, Tom Pelsero, et cetera. There many times

(19:26):
are getting a copy and paste type text that the
agent wants to put out there publicly, and they are
the vessel that that agent is using for that player
or the client, what have you. So oftentimes that's how
it comes out. And when you see something like that,
you go, saxtaitus fifty million in nil and I think

(19:48):
we all probably go, oh, okay, yeah, sure, but well
Adam Schefter said it, so it's got to be true.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Now, how do we check if it's true or not.
We can't And that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
And that's one of the things that it's certain athletic directors,
maybe at some big time blue blood schools who've done
that in the past. There's certain you know, maybe coaches
have said it because no one can fact check and
no one can actually go see if that's the case.
And what it does is it gives us perception like
they are one of the top they're faking it until

(20:21):
they make Even if they don't have fifty million yet,
it's if it's out there, everyone thinks they do and
so that becomes then a problem for a lot of
other coaches, institutions, athletic directors, you know, those those schools
and their fund and the ability to fundraise because to
his point, like people are looking at it going well,
they're raising fifty million, is like the alumni are saying,

(20:44):
are we not be able to do enough? Do we
need to do more? They'll feeling strained. Like the whole
nil world right now is propped up by the generous
people at every institution that love and care about their
university that have been propping it up. It is not
dominated by the corporate world in marketing. It's just not.

(21:05):
It's such a small percentage as compared to what's actually
driving these players getting paid. And the hard thing is
is it's not sustainable. It was never built to be that.
Everyone thought it was going to be those all this
marketing dollars that would be sent to these players, and
unfortunately it's never gotten there because it's really hard for
there to be I guess showcase, especially this early on

(21:28):
with Nio this ROI that they're getting in exchange. So
it's had to be basically on the backs of the
a lot of the alumni network. And so because of that,
you then have people who are strained, where these same
people who have been asking for money from the university,
maybe some have moved to the collectives and now they're
asking for money every single year and they're asking for

(21:49):
the support every single year. And so the university is
still asking for money, the collectives are still asking for money.
They're both saying, Hey, this is going to the facilities,
this is going to help out the student athletes. The
collectors are saying, well, this is go into our roster.
It's helping our coaches, helping out the player. It's going
right to them, and they're filling the strain more than
anyone else. And so that's the hard part about the
whole conversation around NIL is it's the same people who

(22:12):
have been you know, supporting universities, putting their name on
buildings and doing things that are now being asked to
do even more. And I was never intended to be that.
And there's no way to fact check and see if
any of this is legitimate at all, And when you
look at how you pay any professional athlete. It's all
built on the TV industry. It's all building the revenue
generated from the TV money.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
There you go, and.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
We're just not there yet until at least next year
where we've got a better revenue share model that's getting
us closer to that. So I understand Doug's frustration and
why you push back to Schefter, and because I looked
at that and looked at it with side eye, like
come on, dude, I'm dinning. I'm not saying that they

(22:54):
don't have a donor who's maybe said, hey, I want
to support you guys in a big way.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Hey how much are you willing to do? Up to
fifty million?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
But do you know how hard it is to find
a dude to write a fifty million dollar check unless
they've got some sort of huge event where they've you know,
sold their company and they want to make a big contribution,
a one time contribution like that. Maybe sometimes that happens,
but the problem is with like a university, they're putting
your name on a building, Dude, they're going to name

(23:23):
a business school after you. When this happens with a collective,
it's like we do they know how much longer these
things are gonna last. So there's really no return on
that investment into whatever it is, and that's the difficulty
of all of it. So I was with Doug on that,
and again it's a byproduct of just how news is
fed to us and oftentimes how the vessels whoever that

(23:47):
may be, may be sharing that information. But it does
become a slippery slope and dangerous and there's no checks
and balances. That's part of the issue with all that.
When it's all said and done.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
I mean, yes, I just let I mean, I feel
like you covered it, like in terms of how I
interpreted when I looked at it, I looked at it
from more of a Doug to you know, rap report
or not rap report, but schefter type of deal.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
How so explain you know, I don't know, I you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
I think that when when you're in a situation maybe
that you find yourself in you know, you're in media,
but you are a coach, that's a that's a slippery slope, right,
That's that's a balancing act that you have to figure
out how how you find that that sweet spot because

(24:40):
in moments like these, your media but you're also a coach.
But you're a coach, but you're also media, So how
do you how do you navigate it?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
You know?

Speaker 5 (24:52):
And and that was you know, that was what I
took away from it, like getting into all of the
details of the nil aspect of it. That's I think
that your explanation is spot on. I mean, but once
you get when somebody takes a shot at you and
your media and you have a forum to be able

(25:13):
to actually a platform to actually go on and it's
a major one, you know, in Fox Sports Radio, and
you're able to to talk about how you feel or
clear up how you feel. I think it's interesting, you know,
because the way the exchange went, you know, they were
throwing shade like well, I think Doug was being Doug,

(25:34):
you know, because Doug, Doug has opinions, and if you
know Doug got leave, you know that that's Doug is
going to have an opinion about things. But it's like
the first thing I thought when I saw it, and
then even when I heard like the response.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
You're you're talking about something that sure he's knowledgeable of
his family is coaching. I believe his dad was a coach,
as well, right, Like it's a family of coaches. Yeah,
so I know he has his brother coach at SAX
stage correct. I don't know if they Yeah, yeah, he
did mention it, like I said, he you know, I
know he he comes from a family of coaches and

(26:09):
a family of people that play ball.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
He played ball.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
But it's like, in those moments, was it even you know,
because if it felt like he took offense to you know.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
The I don't know. I just I don't know.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
I've tried to like tread on it because he's my colleague,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
But it just I think it's a difficult position to
be when you're a coach and you're in media.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Right. So, but let me ask you this.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Most coaches, they will have a coach a show, they
have a film review session. I mean, they're obligated throughout
the year. And maybe this is only my perspective from
football because that's what I know, but they're obligated at
least one to three times a week with some sort
of media obligation outside of just a press conference, like

(26:57):
doing a coaches show, doing an appearance somewhere, or doing
like a film thing. You know, how does that differentiate,
Like I understand Duk's schedule and everything else he has
going on. You're limited to one topic. Well, and that's fine,
you know, but there's also wes. But it's like one
you know what I mean, Like you're talking about your team.
You know, you're talking about your team and their opponent. Right,

(27:20):
it's different when you have to talk about everything. Okay,
you know it's based off, so let me pivot to this.
Then let me pivot to this because I wasn't kind
of done asking the question, But how many CEOs have
a podcast?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
I mean, hell schefter, the guy who's saying that to him,
he has a podcast amongst being an insider, amongst doing NFL,
amongst doing everything else that he does and whatever else
that comes along with that. Right, there's a lot of
people that I know that now have a podcast. But
that's not by any way, in any way, shape or
form their main form of business or function. Yet it's

(27:54):
part of a marketing tool brand that they have that
accompanies that. But sometimes it spins off into a production company.
So like, how like why are we viewing it different
now for Doug if there's so many other people out
there that have a podcast and producing or creating a
podcast is not their main form of business, but it

(28:15):
gives them this opportunity to talk about so many other
things that are out there.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
I mean, it's I think it's a valid way of
looking at it as a valid question. Let me ask
you this, do you think in terms of how Doug
does does media and the platform as he does it
on with with Fox Sports Radio, does that have any
impact or any bearing on it, you know, in terms
of your opinions, in terms of your criticisms. You know,

(28:44):
I would say ultimately that's the differentiator is that you
have to you have to walk a fine line when
you're representing a university. You know, for what it's worth,
you got to walk a fine line. You know, doing
what we do, we have a little bit more liberties
and a little bit more freedoms because we're purely just

(29:05):
doing our takes and giving information and life experiences on
things that are connected to the stories that are out there.
But I think when you're as opinionated and as strongly
opinionated as Doug has beens, that's your brand. You know,
your brand is to be kind of that guy that
you know.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Doug mixes it up like, and he admitted to that,
and he said, look, I have an ability to get
under people's skin. He knows that I've always gotten along
with Doug. He's always We've always been super cool.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
I I have zero beef with like I'm not.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
That's why I'm trying to like kind of talk about
it in a way because it's like, that's our teammates.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
I think that Doug has a reputation that precedes him,
and so there are people when he took the job,
and this is just the truth that.

Speaker 7 (29:54):
Want to see it not work.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
They want to see it fail because they have an
issue with Doug, which is not fair to the players.
But it also doesn't make him wrong when he addresses
this stuff because he knows it. Like his brother was there,
He's in He's in the business. It's not like you're
speaking from the outside like a shefter. He's actually in
it and dealing with it on a day to day basis.
So I actually think what he says has a lot
of validity because he actually is experiencing it in real time.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Yeah, and I don't think that's up for debate though.
I don't think that that's the part of this part
of it. The only reason why this part of it
becomes the conversation point is because of what you said originally. Right,
it's the original part of the conversation that makes the
ladder of it relevant, you know what I mean. If
it comes from somebody else, I think it's received and

(30:41):
it's perceived differently.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
I think because of that reputation. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
So you're saying it's reputation built, it's not the current
results of what's happening with the team that is coupled
into that.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
It is.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
It is because again, it's because people want to see
the struggle, like because because peoples.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Yeah, yeah, And here's the.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Thing is, I'm not, by the way, I'm not trying
to come off critical in any way. In fact, like
I said earlier, I'm just giving perspective on it. So
and I support it. I support Doug as far as
what he said in regards Nil. I think he's dead
on in that regard, you know. And I'll even go a
step further because I said this earlier, and I think Doug, actually,
you know it took a different a coutrarian stance on this.

(31:27):
But you look at the agents too that are involved
in NIL as compared to those that are involved at
the professional level. It's two different degrees. And I'm not
saying they're bad people or anything else, but it's oftentimes
younger guys is oftentimes guys who are in his experienced.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
It's not you know, your heavyweights that are doing at.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
The professional level of most sports that are doing at
the college level. And so I've said before, you get
you get some clowns who are involved in it it's
one hundred percent, and you get some uncles and you
get some other family members that are involved in NIL
with all of it, and that makes it a more
difficult process too, to see how much of what's being
offered is real, how much of what's out there's real?

(32:05):
And Doug can you know, he's been in it now
and maybe he disagrees with that still, but but I
would stand there and say had been my experience. So
again I'm not trying to like, I'm not trying to
come off as critical in any way. I think I
think the bigger picture thing that's interesting about that is,
aside from the NIL conversation, is when you look at
what Doug is able to do while he's coaching slash

(32:26):
you know, having you know, a radio show, having a
podcast that does touch on all these topics. Is it's
not really that different from what we're seeing out there
in the business world. In other places, we just don't
view it the same because we don't see that CEO's
business win or lose week in and week out. We
don't get to watch him and say, well, there's a

(32:47):
scoreboard we can keep. We could keep track, like we
know how you're doing as a coach, like most CEOs,
Like yeah, after they file the reports and maybe if
they're a publicly traded company, you see their stock price
and you associate ate their performance to that. But that's
the difference. Like I would actually say he's kind of
a first mover in this space as far as what
he's doing. And so I don't know if that comes

(33:09):
off as defending him or not. I'm just kind of
pointing out the perspectives, like schefter is taking a shot
at him because of their short term results. It's year one,
Like what does he look like in year three? If
they win their league in year three and he's still
doing the podcast and everything else, It's like, are you
are you gonna be critical now? And the truth is
is like Doug was being critical about something that to me,

(33:31):
I think a lot of people talk about behind the scenes.
I mean, when we've seen people who have literally tweeted
out stuff that kid directly from the agent, Like like
we've seen those tweets, what they've looked like.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Every everywhere you'll see the same tweet set out by
every reporter. You're like, yeah, there's no way they're just
looking over each other's shoulder. It's a press release from
an agent or from somebody, and they just copy and
paste it and try to be the first one to
send it.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
It's brilliant. There you go.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
So I'm I'm not I'm not being critical of even
how that process works, because I mean, i mean, what's
like an insider going to do if he wants the story,
if he wants to put it out there first and
be first, that's what he's He's gotta take it from
the agent. He's gonna put out what the agent was
otherwise they'll never get that again.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
So like, you can.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
Still all but that still qualifies as being an insider
because sure, whether it's copying and pasting, they're still getting
the information.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, and again I could I could care less about that.
I think that's a that's.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
A tough, tough job.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
I think it is a tough job.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I think it more as it more pertains to Doug
and what he's doing and what he's taking on. I
just think it's more of a unique approach to a
coach now in college sports and who's able to provide
perspective that's unique. And I'll just I'll go as far
as saying this, you know, if you do have a podcast,

(34:51):
if you do, you know, if you are actively in
a space, you can talk more accurately to the topics
of what that's happening right now in sports then someone
who's done coaching and is talking about it like that's
just that's just the truth of it. I mean, that's
one of the reasons why a lot of people, when
you listen to certain podcasts, you can say, this guy

(35:13):
runs a company, and these are the things that he's
talking about that are happening in that sector or in
that realm in real time. We tend to give them
more credibility.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Is that CEO someone who owned, Like like you just
kind of said, do they own their business or do
they have someone to answer to? So if they own
their business. I don't think that the rules of engagement,
the rules all together are different because you're your your
own judge, jurian, executioner. If you have things that you
have to to well and again.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
And we can break this down further like, it doesn't
to me, It doesn't matter if they own it or not.
If you're a CEO of a company, you're the CEO
of the company. The reason why I say that's for
this is you're really looking for the information that's coming
out of what they're doing in their operations and day
to day and correct and their perspective on what they're seeing.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
But because it Doug doesn't know, they don't want that.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
But I'm saying Doug doesn't not as basketball team either, Right,
it's a universe, that's what I'm saying, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
But I think that that's that's where to me, that's
where it does matter. Is if you're not the one
that's hiring and firing yourself, then the things that you
have to say and the things how you have to
handle them have to be handled in a.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Way where you're you're making sure you stay out of
the cross ears of the people who who signed. But
but athletic directors and and presence of universities aren't necessarily
always controlled that either, Like they can get hired and
fired too. There's boards that typically make that a sense. Absolutely,
look that again, that doesn't matter to me because regardless

(36:39):
of that position, whether you're a head basketball coach and
athletic director president, you still have to represent the brand.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
You still have to represent your university.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
So even if you're a CEO of your company, and
even if you own your company and you're the CEO,
you're still representing that brand. So it's all about what
you're portraying out there and what you want people to
feel and hear. Again, that's cast to the side because
that doesn't matter in regards to the context of what
we're talking about. Like, if you're looking at what Doug
is doing, it's unique in the sense of, like, I
don't know, maybe we'll see other people who are able

(37:08):
to do this in the future where they're more involved
in the media or more involved in the marketing of
those sports teams as part of it. Like, that's part
of one of the hats that you have to wear
if you want to be able to kind of control
the narrative of that team of of of your success
or lack throw that's out there as opposed to a

(37:29):
once a week show. To your point, Dion launched a show.
He just launched the show with Roxy anyway, He just yeah,
he just he just launched a show.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, somebody hit your toe. You gotta make sure you
don't say last name like too quickly and correctly.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
By the way, I think we're kind of bearing the
lead here as well too. Like Doug's issue should not
be with Adam Schefter, his is shoes should be with Lee.
Lee was in Green Bay not long ago, and did
even bother hitting up Doug to hang out. You got
to be ashamed of yourself. Okay, okay, I might have
reached out.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, oh did you? Yeah, Doug's a busy guy.

Speaker 7 (38:14):
What did he say?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I don't want to go get I don't want to
get ducks out of a claw machine with you, I.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Mean, And if he said that, then you know I
have no I have no problem.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
And by the way, you know Doug Doug mentioned he said, hey, look,
I would love for anyone to come in my shoes
and see my schedule what I do. Like, I think
that's even an opportunity to didn't put out content to
look at all, right, like, what does this look like?
What does a Dan in the life of Doug's shoes
look like? And it speaks more to I mean, you're
looking at the Aaron Rodgers document that's come out Enigma,
and so you're seeing what he's doing in the off season,

(38:42):
getting a better idea of maybe who he is. And
maybe we can talk about that at some point. But
I look at it and just say, you know, look,
aside from the Twitter battle between him and shafter which.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
I guess they're they're fine whatever, I could care.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Less about it. It's more interesting to me that Doug
is taking on something that no one's done before. And
I shouldn't say no one because honestly, like you just
brought a Prime Prime, And the more I think about Prime,
the more I'm like, he controls all.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
The content they put out, he controls it all.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
So just you know, and look how that's worked out
for Colorado on the perception of Colorado.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
I mean, they've just had a young man win the Heisman.
Do you think here's another question?

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I know we're up against it, Like if Travis Hunter
doesn't have the backing of everything they've done.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Nope, I know your boy Clatt touched on it too,
like it's a one on one situation and it would
take someone like Deon Sanders to.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Do it to help.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
There's not another There's not another coach out there that's
going to do that. What they did with Travis Hunter
the one place where you'll be able to go and
do that. And I don't know for how long would
be to go to Colorado because Deon Sanders like embraces that.
Now you're starting to see other guys go into the profession.

(39:53):
We just saw Mike vic get named a head coach.
Maybe there's another wild card coach out there that that'll
pop up at major school and do it. But that's
one hundred percent Prime Prime's vision of how he was
going to take what he believed was the best athlete
coming out of high school and carry him.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Like people forget. He followed that man to Jackson State.
The eventual Heisman Trophy winner followed the guy to Jackson State.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Talk about trust, Talk about trust.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
So I mean, I think it one hundred percent has
to do with all of the brand building and all
of the content and all of the being in the media.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
That we just discussed.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
I think it's a it's a great example of what
you're saying is if it's a progressive approach to how
you're you're going about doing your business, it could, indeed,
you know, be a tide or rising tide for everybody
that's involved with what you're doing. You just gotta win.
You just gotta win. If you don't win, it doesn't work,
you just gotta win. And how much pressure is that,

(41:00):
I don't know, you know, but it has worked to
your point, it has worked. But I don't know how
many people could do that. I don't know how many
people can be that type of content person. I know
Doug creates, you know, he creates content that people pay
attention to. I do know that, So he does have
the ability to do it. I just don't know how

(41:22):
many people would be able to do it and do
it at the level that Prime is done. In that
it's one O one.

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Speaker 2 (41:39):
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Albert Breer and a man who can't wait for Ohio
State to advance to the next round of the college
football playoffs after a big win.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
This coming nervous and.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
I don't know I have I just have no idea
what to expect. I guess is the best way to
put it. I just do not know. We don't have
as easy a draw as uh asvar as on the
modern so a little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
I'm not no, I'm not going to even I mean,
we're we're going to have to play a game. But
I mean I'm with you though.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
I mean, you guys took care of business like and
uh you know, I look like you guys. You guys,
you guys hung with Oregon. You didn't lose another game
outside of that one you know there. I think it
was at the end of October beginning of November. So
uh so, yeah, you guys get the easier draw. What

(42:45):
is it death of you than Boise? Then you know,
maybe Georgia without its corn.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Maybe Georgia. Maybe, yeah, maybe Georgia.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Right right, So I don't think anybody'd argue that this
controversial take to you.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
No, I don't think that's contrab No, I think everybody
would say that. But again, it's the playoffs, so you know,
you got you get your draw, You get your draw,
you gotta you gotta play who's in front of you,
you know.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Yeah, well, some would say that the playoff may won't
be the best way.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
It's format of the s and I know I know that.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
But we're here now. You know.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
The game's going to take place in two days, so
I'm going to watch both. I'm going to watch one
in person. I'm going to watch one probably while meeting
some zombie wings. So I'm going to be excited. And now,
you know, the cool thing about this is and if
we make it to the point of where, some way,
somehow there's a rematch. Up until then, I'm rooting for

(43:38):
all Big ten teams, Like I'm neutral.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I'm neutral in the.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Notre Dame game because cues my baby bro, So I'm
and Elijah Burris, my nephew. You know he's going there,
So I'm neutral on that one.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
What do you mean neutral? Just root for him.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
I'm not well because Indiana's big ten. You guys are independent,
but I got I got more ties. I got family
ties to Notre Dame. So it's kind of if it's
blood over water, then I'm gonna go with Notre Dame,
which is weird, but that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
So there you go, all right, Albert, We switch to NFL,
and can I just pose the question, there's a bunch
of teams getting their bus kicked this past week. I
feel like there's no parody. I feel like honestly, And
the reason why I'm asking this is because we're coming
off the conversation by the college fall playoff. And I
get it, it's the playoffs. There should be excitment about it,
especially with the expansion, but it just feels like a

(44:33):
more fun product like the regular season NFL. Right now,
there's the teams that are already in the playoffs or
are basically positioned to be so, and there's everyone else,
and it just it seems to be an awful product
to watch. And I know it may be hard for
you to admit that.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
I mean, like, I wouldn't say it's awful, but I
would say, like there have been a few sun days
where I look at the schedule and I'm like, oh
my god, you know, and there, and you guys know
the way I do my job, Like, you know, on Sundays,
I'll uh, you know, I'll make phone calls at one
and after the one o'clock games, after the four o'clock games,
and and there. Yeah, there have been a couple of

(45:11):
Sundays where it's like who do I call? You know
what I mean, like, what's interesting out there? So yeah,
I mean, I I think part of it is just
I like, I like Brady, it'd be interesting to get
your take on that, just because I do think like
part of it is the way that they've structured the
game with the rules and everything else is so everything
is so planted towards building the quarterback up and making

(45:35):
the quarterback as important as you possibly can. But I
think that there is just a gap between teams that
have one and teams that don't. And teams that don't
generally seem to turn their coaches over every couple of
years and become completely dysfunctional, you know. And so you know,
I think you can look at a few different teams.
I look at the Saints, like when they had Broodrew

(45:58):
Brees versus when they have it. You know, look at
the Colts like what they were for all those years
with Peyton Manning and then Andrew Lock in the beginning,
and then what became of them. It just becomes as
a yes or no, cool question, do you have a
quarterback or do you not? Okay, like that means you're
good or you aren't, you know. And so like Buffalo

(46:18):
and Kansas City, you know, and are really well run
organizations for sure, and the guys that have done a
good job, but you know, like they're playing from a
head every off season because the quarterbacks they have, you know,
And so I think that that's a big part of it,
you know. And then and then if you don't have one,
I think, you know, it can create some like organizational

(46:39):
dysfunction where you're either overreaching to get one or you're
constantly making change because the people that you have can't
find one. Yeah, it's an interesting, good conversation that probably
can't be comed up in five or ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio Get
them on x at Albert Breer, Mike Rabel speaking of
Ohio State. Yeah, what's your guess as to where he
ends up, because I heard that you mentioned he might
already have a couple of ideas in mind for who's
going to be running the show on offense.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
Yeah, so I like, well, like any coach in that situation,
what you know, what I mean, like any anybody who's
up for you know, head coaching job. At least the
guys out there, you know what, together weve lists of
you know, three or four or five options of of
coordinators and position coaches and all that different stuff. So
that's not unusual that that, uh, the guy like Mike

(47:33):
would be prepared for that, you know. I I think
he's going to be at the top of a lot
of lists, near the top of a lot of lists,
you know. I think he's you know, the Jets and
the Bears and the Saints do their research of very
serious consideration in all three of those spots. You know,
the Giants if they were to come open, the Cowboys
if they come open, Like I think those teams would

(47:54):
be interested in them. The Giants are really interesting because
you know, his defensive coordinator from from from Tennessee already there,
and the guy who he would have as a general
manager if he had his pick. Ryan Cowden works for
the Giants now, you know, so I think there are
there's going to be options out there for him, and
I think in the end, like you know, this is

(48:15):
going to be one of those where and it's it's
not all that common that that that that the coach
goes to the market and knows like there's a good
chance I'm going to have multiple offers. But I think
that's where he is right now. And so you know,
I think he's going to make a cold business decision
on what he does. And you know, I don't think
again I haven't talked to him about this, but like,

(48:36):
I don't think he has it in his mind where
he's going to go. What I do think he probably
has in his mind is what he's going to try
to avoid, which is what kind of which is what
got him at the end in Tennessee, which was you know,
ownership sort of turning on him at a certain point
there and then front office politics getting him. And so

(48:57):
like I think anywhere he goes, I think he's gonna
want to make sure that he can establish a level
of trust with ownerships and you know, put people around him.
Doesn't he has to control everything, but have people around
him that he knows he can trust too.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
What what's your take on the movement of that Beer's job.
I mean, does Ryan Poles get the opportunity to make
this choice?

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Is it a Kevin Warren?

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Is it a choice that that he makes and what happens?
You know a lot of people have said if if
Poles gets the opportunity to choose the next head coach,
it's going to be basically the choice that dictates his
his future with the with the franchise. How how are
you looking at it?

Speaker 6 (49:42):
Yeah, I don't think. I mean, like Kevin Warren can
say that that that Ryan Poles is running the search.
Every indication I've gotten Kevin Warren's gonna have a pretty
heavy hand in this, in this whole thing, and uh,
you know, and I think and I think and honestly,
Brady like I I think that that's one thing that
a lot of candidates like, like guys like Mike Brabil

(50:05):
and Ben Johnson, like that's something guys like that would
be very leary of, you know what I mean, like
with the idea that like, like I because I think
for for a lot of these a lot of the
coaches who have options. The coaches who have might have
like multiple offers out there or have flexibility to wait
if they want to wait, like I think for for
a lot of them, like they see the way a

(50:26):
lot of these teams are working. It's like, okay, so
like am I answering to some team president who wants
to be involved in football? You know? Like that is
that can be a third rail for some coaches? And
then am I inheriting somebody else's general manager and scouting
department where you know immediately there could be like us
or them type of dynamic in the building. You know.

(50:48):
I think increasingly like coaches are seeing you know that
either wind I'm costing themselves jobs, are costing people they
know jobs, And I think that that's that's something that
that that a lot of these guys are actively trying
to avoid. And I think Chicago is going to have
to convince candidates coming in there that have options that

(51:09):
that's not what's going on here, you know what I mean,
like in that they'll be able to build a program
their way. It's like one reason why I think if
Ben Johnson had his choice last year, his choice might
have been to go to Chicago, Like I think if
he has choice this year, I don't know that Chicago
would be near the top of the list based on
and that's just based on what I think he's going
to value going into the and the coaching market.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah, there's no doubt he values the structure. Remember he
made some of those comments about Washington and how they're
doing their search last year, and clearly the Cavin Warren
thing could be a concern. I want to ask you
about a couple of the Ohio teams. Obviously the season
has gone the way the Browns wanted to as they
head towards the end of season, and for Cincinnati, I mean,
we saw kind of a spirited conversation maybe between Joe
Burrow and Zach Taylor. What could happen in Cincy? I mean,

(51:55):
I know, I don't think they're completely out of it yet,
but it seems like it's not going to work out
this year with them. Could there be some changes there,
I guess in either one of those Ohio teams.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
Yeah, I think was so. I think both of them
will stick, like with the people on the top level, right,
Like so the general manager in Cincinnati is that does
not the title, but Duke Tobin runs, you know, is
the fact that general manager. I think those guys that
those guys are are are are okay. Like so I
think you look at the history of Cincinnati, the job

(52:28):
setting Zach Taylor's down, I'd be surprised if they made
a move on him in in Cleveland. You know, I
really believe that that Jimmy has them and his group.
They believe in Kevin will and then in Kevin Stefanski
and and Andrew Berry, and they really think, you know,
looking at it that like, you know, everybody has culpability,

(52:49):
and then Shaun Watson things. But otherwise they've done a
pretty decent job over the last five years. And they
spend so much time searching for the right model, right like,
you know, over their first eight or so years of ownership,
that now that they've got something they like, they don't
want to just throw it out, you know, in the
face of a bad year that's been marred with injuries.
So look, I think in both cases you're going to

(53:09):
see You're going to see status call at the top.
I think you could see some changes, like could Cleveland
change out offensive coordinators? Could Cincinnati change out defensive coordinators.
I'd argue that those guys had kind of their hands
tacked on their backs. But if you know, like someone
needs to get a pound of flesh somewhere, that might
be where it happens, you know, in Cincinnati in particular,

(53:32):
Like I think in both cases, the quarterback situation sort
of you know, I think colors this in Cincinnati. I
think the Bengals need to be really careful about not
like being in a position where Joe Burrow is going
to lose beliefs and in what in what they're trying
to do there, And I think that means paying Jamar Chase.
I think that means being aggressive and trying to fix

(53:54):
the defense, you know. So I think like that's something
just really worth monitoring. Like you they got to do
what they can to try to compete for a championship
in the here and the now, because I think winning
matters so deeply to Joe and I don't think they
want an upset quarterback on their hands. And then you know,
like as far as Cleveland goes, I don't think they're
going to caddle to Shawn next year. Part of the

(54:16):
reason Joe Flaca's not there this year is because they
felt like it might make him uncomfortable, might make DeShawn uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
You know.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
My sense is all that stuff at the window now
and they're going to add competition to the to the
quarterback room in twenty twenty five. I think Deshaun Watson
will be in there, but I think they'll have somebody
else in there too, coming to get it, coming to
try to take his job.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
SEEZ.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
That was going to be my follow up is what
are you do with Deshaun Watson so you believe he
comes back and again they got to try to make
it work again? Is that why they're going with dtr
as opposed to going with Jamis Winston. I mean, obviously
his answered you know, in terms of I.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Think six of it.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
I think part of it, LeVar is just seeing what
you've got, you know, and when you're out of it,
like it's kind of it becomes a evaluation time. Now
like the coach can't say that publicly, that's where it is.
You know. What I mean is that you want to
get into a clean evaluation on guy guys in your
roster and how they fit into your roster next year
when you fall out of the race. So I think
that's definitely part of it with dtr Yeah, I do

(55:17):
think again, like next year, like whether it's some drafting
someone bringing in a veteran that like you feel like
maybe can be your version of Baker Mayfield in Tampa
a couple of years ago, or Sam Donold Minnesota this
year like that, that that's going to come in and
try to compete and win the job. I think that's
sort of that's sort of the approach you take because

(55:38):
they they really don't have a ton of options with
Deshaun Watson, you know, as you guys know, the ninety
two million dollars over the next two years is fully guaranteed,
so there's no getting out of that. And he's coming
off an Achilles, you know what I mean. Like so
like a like when's he going to be outsy Probably
won't be until like late in the spring, early in
the summer, you know, when he can act, you know,

(56:01):
really get out there and practice again. So it's a
tough spot to be in. Is this part of their
own creation? You know for sure? But I do think
the answer for them is to whether it's a draft
pick or a veteran quarterback like a justin Field, someone
like that, maybe who'll come to try to revive their career.
You know, I think adding quarterback to a competition to

(56:22):
the quarterback rooms the way they go.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
All right, ab moment of truth before we let you go.
At the end of this game on Saturday night at
the Horseshoe, will Ohio State have won by more than
seven and a half points. I, like I said at
the job, I have no idea what to expect, So
I'm gonna say, yes, I got Faith and Ryan.

Speaker 6 (56:41):
I got Faith and Will Howard. I got Faith's Trayvon
and Mecca and Jack Slayer and I like, honestly like
every indication I've gotten, Brady, you've been around them is
that that senior classic break with the kids. It sucks
being what they've been through and not being the team
up north. So yes, I I am. I'm fully behind.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Uh what team is that?

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Hold on? Albert? Are you going to the game?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
No, okay, well they're going to win that.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Yeah, won't be there.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
That's right. I'm the cooler right.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Every time you go it this is not a good result.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
Oh that that didn't used to be that way, man,
Like this is a this is a new thing for me.
But but you're right, I am well, no, I'm not
on a losing streak because you know what, the last
game I was in person at before this one actually
would have been at your alma mater. So my losing
streak is now won. It doesn't go further back than that.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
It started before.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Just he just shot at you. Did you see that?

Speaker 3 (57:41):
He did?

Speaker 4 (57:43):
He just shot at you.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
We'll see it if we're both.

Speaker 6 (57:46):
The way I I. I loved my trip to under Dame.
What a what awesome experience that was?

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Yeah, still standing this week. We'll see if that's the case.
You know, bang bang bang bang bang.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Get him at Albert Breer on ches where you can
find him. Senior NFL reporter, Lead Content stradb And and
A B will be watching later on tonight on Amazon.
Appreciate it, Enjoy the games this weekend.

Speaker 6 (58:13):
All right, Hey, Merry Christmas to you guys and.

Speaker 7 (58:14):
Everybody that's nice

Speaker 4 (58:19):
To Albert