January 23, 2025 • 48 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Shad Khan decides way too late to fire GM Trent Baalke amid his head coaching search. The ball is now in Aaron Rodgers court, whether or not he joins forces with Aaron Glenn with the Jets next season. NFL Insider Albert Breer weighs in on coaching searches and gloats about Ohio State beating Notre Dame in the National Championship.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Aarings rating Winn and Jonas Knots on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What up Sticks?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How are we feeling good?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah? I feel real good.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah yeah, ready to hold your hand on the airplane.
See if you get see if I get any better
treatment because I'm rolling, you know with you?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah? Yeah, sure. Are we on the same flight, by
the way.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I believe we're in the same flight, just different cabins.
That's all, okay. You know, I'll be a little bit
further back. You'll be a little bit further forward, and
then people will get to see how passive aggressive you
are on this show.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Damn yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And then they'll wonder why your handler isn't with you,
and I'll wonder the same thing.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But it'll be okay.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Like you know, I'm certain you'll be on your rapid
radio and in constant communication with Lee while you're on.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
The move, too used to who's my who's my head?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Is going? Is Lee going?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
No? No? I don't believe okay, who's my handler?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I don't know what you're getting.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Your handler?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You act like I've never traveled without Lee before.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It's just I don't like you. I don't act like it.
I just know how it is when y'all do travel together, we.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Just get paired up together a lot. And and again,
you guys have separate groups, and you people have separate
groups that are much more quote unquote high class, high
faloon if you will.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And so, so I don't go ten more dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And so I'm just you know, I want to make
everybody feel like we're all the same, because we are
all equals. Is the way is the way I look
at life. So that's that's that's what I've gathered.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Sounds real good, my guy, Yeah, sounds real, real good.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Here's what doesn't sound good. Uh oh, the circus is
in town, and the circus is heading for Trevor Banks
Stadium in Jacksonville. The Jacksonville Jaguars continued to deliver the
goods Trent Balkey right on time. You know, right after
all the top candidates are gone, they decide, you know what,
(02:18):
upon further review what everybody's been talking about, Yeah, maybe
we should part ways with Trent Balkey. So he is
out as Jaguars GM. That's weeks after they stayed with him.
Fired head coach Doug Peterson, and it was just hours
after Bucks offensive coordinator Liam Cohane withdrew his name from
consideration for the job. So, ladies and gentlemen, you're Jacksonville Jaguars,
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A day late and a bunch of dollars short.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I heard you.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Go ahead. I sit here and.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
I'll say, do you guys remember when I talked about this.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
As soon as the season was over, you called the
guy they retained, Trent Bulky.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I tried.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I'm telling you, guys, I'm like, this is going to
be an issue, that this is going to be a
huge issue. There were so many things that I learned
in that week leading into the Week eighteen game, knowing
that if they kept Trend Bulky in any position within
the organization, they would not going to be able to
find their next head coach if they moved on from
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Doug Peterson. Which you talk to some players and there's
a lot of players who are like, yeah, coach, coach
in the.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Issue, someone else in the building.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
So it's crazy to me that these owners in particular
shot con in this case. Who's smart, He's made a
ton of money, He's willing to spend money. He's willing
to be patient with people within his organization, allow someone
like ball Key to get their ear and manipulate them,
influence them to the point where it's the detriment of
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this organization. And you had everyone telling you this. I mean,
I'm not the only person saying this. Everyone in the
media was talking about this. There's obviously people in the
league circles who were talking about this. And so not
only do you miss out on Mike Vrabel the potential
of getting him, Ben Johnson the potential of getting him,
Aaron Glenn the potential.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Of getting him. Liam Cohene even says, I'm gonna go
back to be a coordinator.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
You've got a generational talent at quarterback, You've got pieces
on that roster, You've got an owner that's gonna be patient,
that's gonna spend money, and yet you can't get a
head coach because the worst kept secret in the NFL,
which has made very apparent to you you don't want
to listen to.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
It almost makes seod Con worse for firing him. Now,
it's like, well, why do not just keep him on?
I mean, find somebody.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Who's willing to work with him for a year and
if that year stinks, which it, you know, probably would
then fire him after that, like like what's the point
of winning now a few weeks after the fact to
be like, oh yeah, we probably should have.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Listened everyone else. I guess it's never too late.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Is that how you put it?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
In this case? It's just it's never too.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Late, never too late, never too late, never too late.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I don't know, it sounds like too late. I don't know, man,
you know, it's funny. I remember Trent Bulky. I remember
him like I remember talking to him. I remember being
around him in my early early days in Washington.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It wasn't in charge.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I mean, Vinnie Serrado was was the league guy, but
I remember him. I remember obviously. Why am I blanking
on his name? He's at ESPN now, well he came later.
But Lewis Ridick Louis is the name I was looking for.
Ridic was his name. I thought they were a pretty
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strong group in terms of scouting, but it's interesting to
find out that personality wise, maybe and and just you know,
playing together in the sandbox in the in the proper
manner has not been one of seemingly his strong suit
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I just look at teams like Jacksonville and and it's like, okay,
when you have one person in particular that their name
continues to come up as maybe something that is problematic, you,
you one hund have to take a strong look at it. Secondly,
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if you're a franchised that is is dysfunctional, then the
owner also has to take the look at at issues
that could be bigger than just one person. And I wonder, okay,
does this set off a subtle alarm that shat Khan
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has has taken a look at not only personnel or
things that are being said in terms of personnel, but
is he taking a look at what people are saying
and how they feel about the Jaguars as a whole.
And to me, that to me will be the biggest
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taiale of the tape moving forward, because regardless of who
you hire as the new head coach, if you don't
take a look at the fact that it's the culture
that you have to address, it's you, yourself and whatever
your involvement is and why things aren't working the way
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that they need to work out for your team. If
you are taking the proper steps and allowing the people
that you hire to do the job that they're going
to do. Then there's a likelihood that the job that
they're going to do is going to be better than
the ones that the people that came before them do.
There's a chance that the relationship between the GM and
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the coach will be a better relation relationship between the
GM and the coach if some way, somehow your involvement
is minimized, if your level of you know, what you're
doing and what you're saying is minimized, And so to me,
I just wonder, is this a sign that you know,
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the con family are looking at you know, maybe maybe
this becomes a trend what you see taking place in Washington.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
How about just create a positive environment.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Be a good cheerleader to the people you've hired to
do the job, and you do you know, you do
the things that have made you the money to be
able to buy the team that you have. Just you
do those things and allow the people that you hire
that you've delegated to do the job do the job.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Let me ask you a question, what's the difference between
Woody Johnson and SHODGHN talk talk talk talk talk gun like? Honestly,
what's the difference?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Shot Collins not as involved in the day to day operations,
and and you know he isn't around quite as much,
Like he doesn't meddle in stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I mean I would assume. I mean, his son Tony
is not you know, if he is involved, he's not
using the Madden ratings to make or influence his dad's decisions.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, he's got his own issues, Tony. He's got there's.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Something that maybe you're a huge other stuff going.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But I mean, look, you know, I just well, you know,
he's not not all that successful in other other aspects.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
And just Joy always trying to compare him to Lee.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, there is no comparison. I'll take Lee over Tony.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Wow, there you go, Lee, I'll take Hey Lee.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I will take him.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
But no, I just wonder because remember when he couldn't
wait to fire urban Meyer. He fired urban Meyer and
everybody celebrated because like, oh yeah, he's got to go.
It's top. So gotta got to get rid of that guy. Man,
he's running running down the organization. Where are we at,
like now?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Where?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Like that that was years ago, and yet it's still
the same mess that it always is. And the problem is, like,
if you're Trevor Lawrence you got to be looking around
going I mean, I appreciate my names on the stadium,
who's coaching here, and who's the.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
GM, and your money's in the bank, like.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, just gonna do on the bank flounder with
two hundred million dollars and be like all right, well,
at least I made a couple of coins while I played.
I just don't, like, I don't know what the difference
is between them. And yet, for some reason Shotgun, maybe
because it's in Jacksonville, he doesn't really get a lot
of the heat that other owners get to where he's
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overseeing and and he's the guy on watch with this
disaster every year, Like what did they do?
Speaker 6 (10:53):
I just I don't think he meddles as much. I
think you can fold him for his hiring firings.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's his mustache, isn't it. You like his mustache.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
It's pretty sinister, Like it could go either way, like
he could he could be the protagonist in a story
because he's got that, like you know, nice smile and mustache,
or he could be the antagonist.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Like he could.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
He could really be a pretty good villain with that
sort of mustache. It just depends on his mood. But
in all seriousness, I don't think there's any comparison between
the two. Now you might from everything I was told,
the word is that it's it's not a bad organization.
Multiple people I talked to who had been in different places,
been successful in different places, players, coaches. Their response was,
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this is not a bad organization. This is an organization
that they've got an owner who cares, he puts money
into it. It's there's a football problem, and it's one
person who's running it that's the problem. And everyone kind
of pointed to trend Bulky. So if there's any issue
that I think Sean conn has had as an owner,
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it's in most cases he's probably been too patient.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You know.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
He gave Gus Bradley a lot of time there to
turn that thing around, never did.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
And he's given.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Trent balky Way too long of a leash where he
should have known coming from San Francisco. But it feels
a lot different than a lot of the the you know,
issues that the New York Jets have faced Underwoody Johnson.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I don't I don't view them as one of the same.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
What do you do now? You just swing for the
fences and call up Belichick and say, blank check, bring
Michae Lombardi, like whoever else you want to bring with you,
and and let's try and you know, try and get
this done.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Well you gotta say blank check. Why can't you just
offer him the job?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Well, I mean, what's he used?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
I think that would be pretty low low brow though,
I mean maybe it doesn't matter, but that's kind of
low They already hired that man, like like honor that
man getting hired, Honor the institution hiring the man, versus
you know, anything else. Like I don't know, I don't
think you would go get a coach from a different
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team if he was the head coach of the different team,
and it just be like, ah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well we're available. Now you want to come here? Now?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I know they jets hired you in Chicago, but hey, Ben,
here's a blank check.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You want to come here instead?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Like, I don't know, man, I'm saying Belichick, I know,
but I'm just saying I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I don't feel like he took a job.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
They interviewed him, they hired him, like, let that man
coach the North North Carolina tar Hills.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But if he didn't want to deal with Trent Balky,
and now Trent Balky's out of the way. Maybe all
of a sudden, it's like, whack them all. Guys start
popping up. Belichick's the next one on the board, Like
why not take a SA.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
But why is he on the board? There's not another
coach that's available that's on the board that's a good
quality coach. There's still a few out there, a few
Mike McCarthy, I know he's a retreade.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So what is is Ben Johnson and Mike Rabel and
like all these top candidates are gone? And then why.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Are they top candidates because they've been head coaches before?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, no, Ben Johnson's not been a head coach, but
that's okay.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So he's the one top name that that you've mentioned
that Aaron a head coach before? A yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It feels like this is really late in the process
to decide, you know what, we got an issue here?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like, I don't think they decided they had an issue
deep into the process. I think they've been going through
a process deciding and figuring out how deep they are
in a situation.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Do you think sometimes you need to do that all right?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Do you guys think it's a coincidence that hours after
Liam Khane decides I'm good, he goes all right, Trent,
you gotta go. But how many other times did they
hear that before? They were like ah, because it's there's
like good players there, Like you've got a quarterback there
that people think has a lot of promise and he's
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already you know, you've been paid. It's a division you
can win. It's not like Houston was lighting the league
on fire this year, Like why was everybody like turning
down an opportunity to take the job? Ben Johnson didn't
even meet in person with them.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
It is a tad bit curious because on the outside,
like surface level, outside of some of the obvious things
that we may have seen in the past, like what
took place with Urban, outside of that, I mean, you
don't really hear too much craziness coming from there, not
too much. And they do have a quarterback now that
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might start to become more question mark driven. I'm gonna
be honest with you, I don't think you can comfortably
say he's your franchise guy moving forward.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Oh yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I think he's If some of these other guys are
coming under question as to how how far they can
take a team. I think that that is certainly fair
and putting that on that bulls eye on Trevor Lawrence,
he has not I didn't see him progress to a
different level of He's definitely the franchise guy that can
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lead this team.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
To that's fair, the next level.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So I mean he's gonna have some criticisms as well.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
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Speaker 2 (16:46):
The New York Jets have found their guy. They have
found their guy, Aaron Glenn. We were talking about this
little belt yesterday that potentially he was.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Going to get the deal done in New York.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And apparently he is the guy, and more importantly for
this show and more importantly for one LaVar Arrington. If
there's anything he likes more than the solar system, it's
Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers Apparently, apparently, according to Michael
k of ESPN and Aaron Glenn would like to bring
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Aaron Rodgers back and so the plan is maybe Rogers
returns for another year with the New York Jets. This
will be year number three, and maybe, who knows, he
bounces back from the Achilles a year removed and has
a better season. He started to seemingly play a little
bit better towards the end. You know, he got his
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five hundred touchdown and all that. So if Rogers decides
to play, according to this report for Michael kay Gosh.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Why is it if Rogers decides to play, who knows, Like,
don't play that game this year? Like, if you're going
to play, play you want to be on the team,
Say you want to be on the team. You come out,
you say a whole lot of other stuff on media,
come out and say, I want to play for Air Glenn,
I want to play for the Jets. I want to
run it back. I want to play for Aaron Glynn.
Like do that?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
How about if he comes back? Like, come on, man,
we be on that, aren't.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
We, Like I immediately, if I don't hear something from
Aaron Rodgers within the day, within the day, let's move on.
Like if I'm Aaron Glenn, let's move on. If you
don't put it to bed, you want to play, You
want to play? Now, let's move on from him.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So you need to hear first ballot Hall of Famer. Yes,
all right, and you're giving him how much time to
respond to.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You before you until the end of today's business day and.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
The business today for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yes, yes, I'm not playing that, like I'm not playing
that coming in like.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
You're the one piece of this that I need to
know what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Where are we? Like, what do we have going on?
Do you want to play? Do you not want to play?
Because you're not gonna hold me hostage? Like I clearly
passed the Rooney rule. We we got this thing off,
like we got this thing locked and loaded. You see,
they don't give Rooney rule coaches more than one season
to get this thing right. So let's be clear here.
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Are you playing or are you not playing?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Let me know?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Let me know, okay today, all right, let me know
today because I don't have a whole lot of time
to be playing around and I got to put my
quarterback board together. I need to know who my quarterback
is right now, like right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
So you think you think that if Aaron Glenn was white,
he'd give him two days insteady okay.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Maybe two or three.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Can we run with that, please? Is the headline.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
If he were a white coach, he'd be like, huh, Aaron,
let me tell you something. I think you're the greatest,
one of the best. You take as much time as
you need.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Hey, listen, he ho's seventy two hours, Soudarin.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You want to visit the keebler elves, go ahead, you
want to go, You want to go sit on the
top of a pyramid, go ahead. I'll be right here
waiting on your buddy. Hey, pow, let's win some games together.
Take it easy.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Ar Arrington says, if Aaron Glenn was white, he'd give
Rogers more time to decide.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Why not, Well he's got more time.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
No.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
But seriously, all seriousness, like all joking, all joking aside,
all joking aside.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean, you tell me, right, you have been.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
If you're watching what took place in New York this year,
the one thing that you can say is is that
most most times, more often than not, the common denominator
of confusion that was coming from the building had Aaron
Rodgers name connected to it. There might be one, maybe
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at the most two topics that came out Newsworthy news
wise that were not Aaron Rodgers related, and that was
probably the whole Matten the Madden rankings deal that came
out that didn't have to do anything. I don't believe
it had anything originated from Aaron Rodgers, but most everything
else did. So if I am going to state my
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new leadership, my new leadership position as the head coach
of this team, and I'm and I'm saying I'm going
to take a chance with this opportunity with Aaron Rodgers,
I need to know that you're you're on board with me,
and listen, I don't know that it's twenty four hours,
but I'm saying I need to be in contact with him,
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and I said that on the show as much yesterday.
I need to be in contact with him, and I
need to be in contact with him immediately, and I
need to talk to the other leaders of this team,
and I need to understand.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
What the post is on who's good for this team
and who isn't.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
They're going to know who's the cancers in the in
the locker room and who aren't. Who are the people
that you need to have a longer conversation with and
who you are the guys you don't need to have
as much of a conversation with. Those guys are going
to know who those people are, and I need to
have those conversations immediately. Those are the first conversations I
gotta have, and it's gotta be focused in on Aaron
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Rodgers and my quarterback. That's just what it is. I
mean to me, that's the reality of what his first
mission needs to be as the head coach of this team.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Would you take Aaron Rodgers over Patrick Mahomes right now?
Speaker 7 (22:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
No distasking the question?
Speaker 5 (22:29):
All right, that's a rhetorical question.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well, I'm just asking because that was a question Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
It started with the same two letters, but then end
with the rest being the same.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You guys want the instead of the box score, you
want the Knox score.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
What is it? All right?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
He's gonna stass for the season versus Rogers.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Mahomes twenty six touchdowns, eleven picks, Rogers twenty eight touchdowns,
eleven picks. Ye, If Kansas City has Aaron Rodgers as
their quarterback this weekend, they win based on the season.
Based on the season. I'm looking at the stats there,
so put that in your pipes and smoke it sanity
air rods.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Why did you stop there? Did he have his yards
per game quarterback? Really anything else?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
No, that's it's a Knox score. It's not a box score.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
You pick k So we only get we only get
the stats that make it look more favorable for your
It's correct. That sounds like somebody comes on Fox Sports
for you later on the day. Let's go a little
deeper at this conversation. Yeah, it falls apart.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
So, look, Aaron Glenn taking this job and knowing that
he's got Aaron Rodgers in his back pocket, I would
assume is part of the reason why he wants to
take it. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I mean, look at the Las Vegas Raiders still haven't
filled their head coaching vacancy.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
And part of it's because, like, well, they don't have
a quarterback. So as much as you.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Want to sell like it's enticing to be able to
find one, whether that's free agency or through the draft,
it's not like it's it's not you'd rather have a
first ballot future Hall of Famer in Aaron Rodgers, regardless
of what the perception is of where he's at in
his career versus not. I mean, the only thing holding
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back the Jaguars from hiring a head coach. And I
assume now that Bulky's gone, that's gonna happen in forty
eight hours because there's gonna be a race now between
Jacksonville and Las Vegas to hire whoever that next head
coach is. And I think Jacksonville now is going to
move fast, but in part because Trevor Lawnce is their quarterback.
So if you're Aaron Glenn, you took this job because
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Rogers is there. He gives you stability into next year.
If anything, like, I'm probably coming in there saying let's.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Figure out how to kind of make this work work
together and get the best out of you for the
end of your career. I mean one thing that I
think and I think you'd agree with this, LeVar.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Eric Glenn played a long time in the NFL, and
I think he's got a lot of respect for what
Rogers doing. I think, you know, former players look at
other players, they have a lot of respect. And so
whatever those narratives are about you know, Rogers's personality and
whatever the bs, that was not true and that when
we come to find out when it's all said and done,
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how Robert Solid was fired, how this organization was operating,
we come to see, No, it was just at the
ownership level.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
That's how dysfunctional it was. You know, Aaron.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Glenn's gonna look at it and say, like, dude, come on, man,
let let's let's go out the right way.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Let's go try to win a division. Let's go try to.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Win a super Bowl, and whether or not that's obtainable,
like you know, what if the wait and see next
year based on how the games play out, But he'll
be further away from an injury. He'll be you know,
have more connunity with the guys he's playing with. And
that would be my first thing to do, because if
you don't have Rogers in, you don't have a quarterback.
As good as the roster is out around the quarterback
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position or maybe can be, it's just it's not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It's it's going to be the same old, same old.
So that would be my intent if I'm Aaron Glenn
right now, and as I look into this offseason, what
my number one priority is, it's Rogers and it's getting
him to come back and be excited about coming back.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Because what is another realistic option for him a quarterback,
Like realistic, that's an upgrade, but there's not a quse.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
But he's listen, the upgrade could come in free agency,
it could be a fined in the draft. I mean,
you're right, you're not going, like just off the top
of your head, You're not going to name a name
that is going to be more qualified than the one
that you have in Aaron Rodgers. I think the one
thing here, Like you think about Aaron Glenn in his career,
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I mean, he's a.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Top former top draft pick. He played this game.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
He's somebody that as a player you know, you can
you know coming in through the doors. He's one of
the greatest New York Jets to play for the franchise,
like voted that, and and so you think about the
teams he played on, Like I mentioned those names yesterday,
that some of the guys that he played with during
his time in New York. But he's a well traveled
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football player, former football player. And sometimes when you develop
into being a really really fine football coach, it's a
lot of times it's generally based off of the ability
to be able to balance what being that dictator or
the facilitator or whatever you want to you know, name
(27:30):
the coach, what they are. It's that balance between what
they were as a player and what they now are
as a play caller and as a leader of the team.
So the respect factor could be a lot different between
Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rodgers. I mean, they had the
same name, you know what I mean. They both played
in the league, they had very very strong professional careers.
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I mean, there's I'm being funny about the name thing,
but I'm just saying it kind of could be an
opportunity for Aaron Rodgers to really salvage what maybe he
thought was going to happen when he first got there
to where he goes now. Because I'll tell you what
he's not going to do. You're not going to do
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like the way he was smug and kind of like
played Lafleur to the side and went and dapped up
the defensive coordinator. You're not going to do that to
Aaron Glynn. The way he kind of looked at as
a xercees and was like, you know, get out of
my face, scram beat it. He's not going to do
that to Aaron Glynn. You're not going to do that
to Aaron Glynn like there's a respect factor there, you know.
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And and to me, I think that that could play
a major role. And Aaron being and Aaron Rodgers that is,
being in the situation that he's in. It's kind of
a no man's land. You almost gotta want to make
it work with the Jets if you want to stay
in the league, and you don't want to go start
over somewhere else Where's that somewhere else? And for Aaron Glenn,
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you don't kind of want to try to find a
different quarterback. You want to try to see if you
can salvage it with Aaron Rodgers. So you're going to
sit there and have the conversation to see if it
makes sense to be able to bring them back. I
think it's advantageous for both sides to want to try
to make this work.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And why wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So you think that Aaron Glenn's more intimidating than Robert Solo, No.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I don't think that it's about being more intimidating. I
just think that's the relatability. I mean, I don't think
anybody's more intimidating than gold bodies erses, you know, what
I mean, I just or.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Or what is it attractive? Who which one?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh snap, I might come up out the water gold anyways.
I mean it's such a simple song. You can put
any any bar tos.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I got a gold ball hit.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Whoa yeah, I got a nose ringing like I could
do every every single like thing that he's got going on.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I'm super tall.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Whoa like?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
You know what I mean, it's like weird man.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
That's what made rap back then so good is that
you could like literally be on some romper room rap.
Like all you had to do is make sure that
the last two letters matched. If it was ar, make
sure that you stay in the ar range, if it's
e R or or ends with.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
At or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
You just got to make sure that you come back
to a word that that rhymes that one like, it's
so so basic. Room.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You don't remember what was the name of that place
at Universal? Was it rumber Room?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
You don't remember? Er Room.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
There's a place TV show Lee. We looked at it
the last when you came. Uh yeah, it was the
rumber Room dance club specials there.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Romper Room was a kid's a kids show man like
you used to watch. It was like Street. I'm older
than y'all, so y'all might not know about Room. That's
an old ass show anyways. That's you use that term
when you're talking about like kind of like beginning, like
that's that's the beginning stuff rooms.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Like what was your favorite sesame character? Got to be
Oscar the Grouch?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Right, yeah he was?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Actually yeah maybe why you try to say I act
like him?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
No, no, no, just the the Dave Chappelle like they
work around like watch he's so miserable. Bitch, I'm in
a trash can. Say one more time, Johns, bitch, I'm
in a trash cab.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Why are you doing that voice?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Dave Chappelle? One more time, Bitch, I'm in a trash can.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
That's your Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's his Oscar the Grouse.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Yeah, that's your days like great Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
It isn't a great Dave Chappelle, but it's all right.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
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Speaker 2 (32:11):
We turn it over to a Thursday tradition He is
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prime coverage, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB,
and a man who on X champion, Yeah, national champion
and on X not afraid to throw out an F
bomb or two A B. What's happening?
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Good morning? It's a three time national champion? Actually, damn?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Oh wow, damn what.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Hi Brady? How you doing?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
What? What? A what an interesting laugh that was?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I mean, I'm doing well, Albert. I'm waiting for you
to make some sort of snarky response.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Did you go to the game?
Speaker 7 (32:53):
I was there?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (32:54):
I was there?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Did you get it?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
So they won?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
To spice you was what? You're you enjoy it?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Well?
Speaker 7 (33:02):
I mean right now? I mean i'd say I'd say
like they're three to oh against Sutre Dame when I'm
in attendance. So it hasn't worked out against Michigan the
last few times, but it has against Utre Dame. And
I want to know on the road too, because I did.
I did. I did register winn in South Bend.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Damn. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Are you okay with the fact that you won a
national title but didn't beat Michigan.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
That's like, I'm not a tremendously large debate going on.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
The feel weird, you know, And I actually, I actually
did prepare for this. I try to prepare for these things.
And uh, I have like an Alabama UH fan friend
of mine who they went through this. Actually I don't
know what it was. I think it was either fifteen
or seventeen that they lost to Auburn at the end
of the year, didn't play in the SEC title game
(33:53):
and wound up winning the whole thing. Anyway, who in.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
The national championship that year?
Speaker 7 (33:58):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Who they?
Speaker 7 (34:02):
That might have been the Georgia I have to look
it up. It might have been the Georgia year where
they beat where it was you know, two came in
off the bench. I think that was it. Either way,
whatever it was they it was either fifteen or seventeen
that they that they won after losing to Auburn at
the end of the year. And he said, uh, yeah,
it was weird at first, but you get over it.
So I don't know, I don't know if I'm quite
(34:24):
like really confronted that in my head, but but I
I'm sure I'll get past it in time.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Yeah, I will say this will be Michigan fans there
to remind you every single time here.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Well, I will say this, so like that Notre Dame
team is tough as that. Like I I I did
not like Notre Dame growing up. You know, I was never,
I never, I never liked Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Mark ye auld't get in, but go ahead.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, well that's probably that maybe part of it. But
I like, I like Marcus Freeman has made that team
impossible for me to like. I I really like watching
that team. They they remind me so much of what
like Jim Trestle's Ohio State looked like. And I I
think Marcus would take that as a compliment because obviously,
you know, sort of his roots. But I mean they
(35:13):
hung in there holy crap and tough as hell. And
Riley Leonard's a warrior. I don't know what he's gonna
be the next level, but I mean just off his
nails and that great house is a really that that
kid's a baller. I mean they have the Kaiser kid
at the linebacker, like, they got a lot of really
good players. It's a again, it's I have a hard
time like coming out of this next year, not like
(35:34):
kind of quietly rooting for notre name when they're playing
anyone except Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Look, I think that's sar I was gonna ask you
about just in general, the run they went on. We
kind of took issue with it, but people were like, oh,
it's the greatest run we've ever seen. It's like, dude,
you lost a couple of games this season, Like you
have to take that into account.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
And on top of that, like the season that Burrow.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Had at LSU, I keep going back to because they
beat seven teams who are top ten ranked top ten
at the time, Yeah, which is better than what we've
watched Ohio State do this year because they kind of
had a soft schedule with the exception of Oregon.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
I would I mean, maybe you count Indiana and then you.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Get in the playoff, and yes, it was a tough run,
but we watched literally LSU have to do that to
get to a playoff, who won the SEC, who went
undefeated and blew everyone out while doing it.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
I mean, I sort of hate that we have to
do this, you know what I mean the immediate aftermath.
But I would say, like, I think their approach to
the season was different, and you might know this, like
from you know, having talked to Ryan and those guys,
But there was like a sort of pacing to the
season like they felt like, I know, the coaches at
Ohio State felt like they had to treat it a
(36:47):
little bit more like an NFL season because of the
prospect of playing sixteen or seventeen games, and so they've
managed the team a certain way, and I think it
may have cost them a little bit during the regular season,
and then you saw what they were capable of when
they really, you know, jammed their foot on the accelerator.
So I think the approach was a little bit different
than you know, what what it had to be five
(37:10):
or ten years ago in college football, where you had
to be all gas, no breaks the whole time or
you risk not making it in at all, you know.
So I think it's going to be interesting, you know,
looking at this run, it's hard to compare it again,
tell us you because what LSU did was ridiculous that
year and you look back at that team and you know,
I tell my kids, like both my boys are big
football fans now, they're like in awe when you tell
(37:33):
them that, Like justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow
were on the same college team, you know what I mean,
Like that's gonna be something we're gonna look back at
and say, like, holy crap, how did that happen? You know,
So it's hard to compare it with that. But I
also think it's like the interesting conversation to have going forward,
like how coaches, how how college programs manage manage the
season now that you know every week isn't do or
(37:56):
dying in the regular season and it is a little
bit more like an NFL season in length, Like is
this sort of I don't know, I don't know. I
don't want to say a blueprint, but is this like
sort of like gonna be the idea going forward where
you have to pace your team through the season so
you can really be all go when you get to December.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, well, speaking of a speaking of a national champion,
Trevor Lawrence, he's looking around going what the as, uh, yeah,
what what's going? What is happening in Jacksonville?
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Yeah? I mean, I think it's is a result of
guys of like having an owner who hadn't always been
fully engaged, and I I you know, it's it's interesting
because a lot of times, you know, we we get
on and rightfully so the owners who meddle too much.
And then there are owners who I just feel like
sometimes are completely disengaged or aren't there all the time.
(38:52):
And you either get situations where you have infighting that
isn't officiated because there's nobody there to officiate it, or
you have situations like this where it's like they completely
tune out with obvious to everyone else, and they put
their franchise in a really difficult spot. And I sort
of feel like that's where shod Cons put the Jaguars
(39:12):
now where I don't think he wanted to do the
coaching search by himself. I think that's traditionally why he's
had a lot of half measures. If you look at
his history, he's only you know, gone through a clean
sweet once and that was almost right away after he
bought the team, and so you know, at the cost
of like you know, you know, having a really attractive
something really attractive top for candidates, he kept Trent balky
(39:36):
And you know, Trent Balkis's name has been poisoned in
the coaching ranks for a long time now, and a
lot of coaches looked at that and said that's a
that's a non starter. I'm not going there. And so
you know, it was an impediment towards you know, for
for guys like Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn who were
in demand. I think it made a non starter for
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someone like Mike Rabel. And now you get to this point,
like two weeks in, where it's all right, now we're
going to cut ties. It's like you already screwed yourself,
you know what I mean, like you already you already
put yourself behind the eight ball, and now you're almost
starting all over again. Doesn't mean you can't get it right,
but now the job looks pretty attractive. The problem is,
(40:18):
you know, we're already so far down the road on
on the coach and carousel that you know, you've really
sort of prevented yourself from looking at every possible outcome.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
So what's interesting about that is the I mean, I
think everybody thought that Antonio Pierce losing his job and
in Vegas was because of.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
That very thing, is that you had your guy, which
seemingly was Ben Johnson, lined up to come coach to Raiders.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
So how how should we be looking at what's going
on in Las Vegas.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
Yeah, so I think Brady's involvement is a gan afactor.
So if you you know, he was the one who
got Ben Johnson interview there, like Ben wasn't going to
take the interview, and then Brady made a couple of
phone calls and explained how things were going to be
different with the Raiders that convinced then to go in there.
And I think I think Brady put something really compelling
(41:12):
in front of Ben, just as far as the different
investors he was going to have coming in. You know,
some of the big money guys that have bought into
the team, you know, Egan Durbin, the CEO of Silver
like certainly one of them, about seven and a half
percent of the team. Tom Wagner's Tom Brady's business partner.
The idea was, there's gonna be more resources here and
we're really going to back new coach and we're gonna
be able to insulate you from some of the things
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Mark Davis included that have been an impediment for guys
in that position before. So you know, obviously that doesn't
work out with Ben, and now Brady goes to somebody
he knows really well to be a general manager in
John spy Tech and Brady. You know, I'm sure you
guys know about Brady's like the Tuesday meetings he would
(41:55):
have with Belichick later Nick Cassario during the season where
they would sit down and break down the opponent and
go over how you know they were going to game
plan going forward that week. Well, John spy Tech was
a guy who ran that meeting for Brady and Tampa.
And so for three years, every Tuesday, Brady and spy
Tech were together, you know, working through that stuff. So
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Brady knows exactly what he's getting and hiring John spy Tech.
And I think spy is one of the best. You
might have been together with him in Denver, Brady, you
might have crossed over with him, but I think he's
one of the He's one of the better young executives
in the game. And so you know, now I think
they reset. They say, Okay, now you know, John, you're
going to help us go find somebody. You're gonna help us,
(42:38):
go find some people to You're gonna help us go
find some people to to build this thing out. And
you know, obviously the first thing I do is is
uh is go find a head coach. But just like
the the Ben thing and the way that evolved, Brady's
fingerprints are all over it. Brady's fingerprints are all over
the GM Hire two.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
I actually never cross paths. He left Cleveland, Uh excuse me.
He got to Cleveland the year after I got traded,
and then he got to Denver the year after I
signed in Kents City, So I never.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Interesting, abe the Cowboys. Last week it was all about
Dion Sanders and uh his coach prime taking the gig,
and now we're hearing stuff about Brian Schottenheimer. Kellen Moore,
what's your What do you think is the likelihood that
it's one of those two guys that gets it gets
the gig?
Speaker 7 (43:31):
Well, I mean I think it shows that they I
don't know, it just kind of feels that they didn't
have a plan. I don't know if it feels that
way for you guys, but I mean, they obviously had
a year to prepare for this. They they were the
ones that sent Mike McCarthy into a contract year and
they come out of it, and you know, I think
you look and you see like they're leaning back a
familiarity when every and you know, at every turn. You know,
(43:53):
it's Steon Sanders, Kellen Moore's Brian Schottenheimer. I think Jason
Witten is somebody to kind of keep an eye on
here too. I don't think he can be the head coach,
but like, could I see them bringing Witten in as
like an assistant under somebody with Schottenheimer and grooming him
to be the head coach the same way they sort
of did that with Jason Garrett in two thousand and
(44:15):
seven and bringing Jason Garrett in having Waite Phillips kind
of as the placeholder. I think that's a possibility. It's
it's a weird it's a weird situation. It's different in Dallas,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
It's just.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
For one reason or another, just does not feel like
they were fully prepared to do a full on coaching search,
and just like Jacksonville feels like they're a little bit
behind and playing ketchup, and their way of doing it
is seems to be to lean back on Jerry's familiarity
with certain people.
Speaker 6 (44:50):
I guess if I had to ask you, Jacksonville, Dallas,
Las Vegas, which gets filled first? And could you give
us some leading candidates for all three.
Speaker 7 (45:03):
Yeah, so I I would say the first one to
get filled my I mean, it could be Dallas if
they decided to move fast unshody. So I think Schottenheimer
Kellen would be the leading shout schat Nheimer, Tellimore be
the leading candidates in Dallas, in in In in Jacksonville.
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I think Robert sala is sort of the leader in
the clubhouse now that Liam Cohen has pulled his name out.
Wouldn't shock me if they circle back on Liam Cohen
now they fired Trent dalkey H. And I do think
Joe Brady could wind up being a factor there. I
think that there's a possibility they bring him back next week.
And then you know, you know, my sense would be
(45:50):
with Vegas, you're gonna see a little bit of a resetting.
Now Brady does have respect for for Pete Carroll and
Steve Spagnola, having competed against them, So I wouldn't completely
real rule those guys out. I think that's it's possible.
It's it's one of those guys. And then I think
you're gonna hear some different names with spy tech in there.
I mean one name I'd sort of keep an eye
(46:10):
on that would be way off the radar right now
with the Raiders. Could be Jesse Mincher, the defensive coordinator
with the chargersh Michigan. So yeah, and so he did
a he did a really good job with the Chargers
this year. Obviously they had a great, great track record
in his two years at Michigan. Brady knows him, Spy
(46:31):
Tech knows him, Like I think, I think Mentor would
be just an interesting name if you're looking for a
dark horse to keep an eye on. And then I think, like,
you know, beyond the two older guys I mentioned Stags
and Carroll, you probably look at a little bit of
a longer list, maybe with some offensive minded guys on
it as well.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Abe quickly before I let you go, who what's your
pick for this weekend? Who's who? We see him in them?
Speaker 7 (46:53):
I would say I think I picked. I spend about
like twenty five seconds every week making my picks. I
think I picked. I want to be consistent with what's
up on the website right now. I think it's Bills Eagles.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
I think I picked.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
I think Buffalo. I don't know, man, Like I just
I feel like at some point they got to get
it done, you know, And this is almost turning into
a Brady Manning thing. I didn't realize like that they've
they've played each other in the playoffs already. I think
it's I think it's like this would be the fifth
time that they played each other in the playoffs, which
I couldn't believe this. That's as many times as Brady
and Manning played, or maybe it's four and they're one
(47:27):
short of Brady man you guys look that up. So
I think I think Josh Allen and the Bills get
over the humps this weekend, and then and then the
Eagles Commander's game. I just you know, I picked the
Eagles because they're at home, and I don't know. I mean,
it's just like, I love the way that that the
Commanders are playing. I love where dan Quinn has that program.
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I just I from a roster standpoint, it's hard for
me to see where they're going to stand up to
a really, really talented Eagles team. But I would say this, like,
if if the both quarterbacks have the ball in their
hand at the end of the game, I'd actually think
I might take Jadan Daniels right now over Jaleen Hers.
So so if it's close play like, I think that's
(48:13):
where things could go the other way. But I just
think theos are too talented, and I picked I picked
Filly to win.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Get him on x at Albert Breer, the star of
Amazon's NFL on Prime coverage, also senior NFL reporter, lead
content Strategies at the m m QB. Thanks, Ab, appreciate it.
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 7 (48:30):
All right, Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
What up Sticks?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How are we feeling good?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah? I feel real good.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah yeah, ready to hold your hand on the airplane.
See if you get see if I get any better
treatment because I'm rolling, you know with you?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah? Yeah, sure. Are we on the same flight, by
the way.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I believe we're in the same flight, just different cabins.
That's all, okay. You know, I'll be a little bit
further back. You'll be a little bit further forward, and
then people will get to see how passive aggressive you
are on this show.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Damn yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And then they'll wonder why your handler isn't with you,
and I'll wonder the same thing.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But it'll be okay.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Like you know, I'm certain you'll be on your rapid
radio and in constant communication with Lee while you're on.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
The move, too used to who's my who's my head?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Is going? Is Lee going?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
No? No? I don't believe okay, who's my handler?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I don't know what you're getting.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Your handler?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You act like I've never traveled without Lee before.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It's just I don't like you. I don't act like it.
I just know how it is when y'all do travel together, we.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Just get paired up together a lot. And and again,
you guys have separate groups, and you people have separate
groups that are much more quote unquote high class, high
faloon if you will.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And so, so I don't go ten more dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And so I'm just you know, I want to make
everybody feel like we're all the same, because we are
all equals. Is the way is the way I look
at life. So that's that's that's what I've gathered.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Sounds real good, my guy, Yeah, sounds real, real good.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Here's what doesn't sound good. Uh oh, the circus is
in town, and the circus is heading for Trevor Banks
Stadium in Jacksonville. The Jacksonville Jaguars continued to deliver the
goods Trent Balkey right on time. You know, right after
all the top candidates are gone, they decide, you know what,
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upon further review what everybody's been talking about, Yeah, maybe
we should part ways with Trent Balkey. So he is
out as Jaguars GM. That's weeks after they stayed with him.
Fired head coach Doug Peterson, and it was just hours
after Bucks offensive coordinator Liam Cohane withdrew his name from
consideration for the job. So, ladies and gentlemen, you're Jacksonville Jaguars,
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A day late and a bunch of dollars short.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I heard you.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Go ahead. I sit here and.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
I'll say, do you guys remember when I talked about this.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
As soon as the season was over, you called the
guy they retained, Trent Bulky.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I tried.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I'm telling you, guys, I'm like, this is going to
be an issue, that this is going to be a
huge issue. There were so many things that I learned
in that week leading into the Week eighteen game, knowing
that if they kept Trend Bulky in any position within
the organization, they would not going to be able to
find their next head coach if they moved on from
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Doug Peterson. Which you talk to some players and there's
a lot of players who are like, yeah, coach, coach
in the.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Issue, someone else in the building.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
So it's crazy to me that these owners in particular
shot con in this case. Who's smart, He's made a
ton of money, He's willing to spend money. He's willing
to be patient with people within his organization, allow someone
like ball Key to get their ear and manipulate them,
influence them to the point where it's the detriment of
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this organization. And you had everyone telling you this. I mean,
I'm not the only person saying this. Everyone in the
media was talking about this. There's obviously people in the
league circles who were talking about this. And so not
only do you miss out on Mike Vrabel the potential
of getting him, Ben Johnson the potential of getting him,
Aaron Glenn the potential.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Of getting him. Liam Cohene even says, I'm gonna go
back to be a coordinator.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
You've got a generational talent at quarterback, You've got pieces
on that roster, You've got an owner that's gonna be patient,
that's gonna spend money, and yet you can't get a
head coach because the worst kept secret in the NFL,
which has made very apparent to you you don't want
to listen to.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
It almost makes seod Con worse for firing him. Now,
it's like, well, why do not just keep him on?
I mean, find somebody.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Who's willing to work with him for a year and
if that year stinks, which it, you know, probably would
then fire him after that, like like what's the point
of winning now a few weeks after the fact to
be like, oh yeah, we probably should have.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Listened everyone else. I guess it's never too late.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Is that how you put it?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
In this case? It's just it's never too.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Late, never too late, never too late, never too late.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I don't know, it sounds like too late. I don't know, man,
you know, it's funny. I remember Trent Bulky. I remember
him like I remember talking to him. I remember being
around him in my early early days in Washington.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It wasn't in charge.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I mean, Vinnie Serrado was was the league guy, but
I remember him. I remember obviously. Why am I blanking
on his name? He's at ESPN now, well he came later.
But Lewis Ridick Louis is the name I was looking for.
Ridic was his name. I thought they were a pretty
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strong group in terms of scouting, but it's interesting to
find out that personality wise, maybe and and just you know,
playing together in the sandbox in the in the proper
manner has not been one of seemingly his strong suit
(06:07):
I just look at teams like Jacksonville and and it's like, okay,
when you have one person in particular that their name
continues to come up as maybe something that is problematic, you,
you one hund have to take a strong look at it. Secondly,
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if you're a franchised that is is dysfunctional, then the
owner also has to take the look at at issues
that could be bigger than just one person. And I wonder, okay,
does this set off a subtle alarm that shat Khan
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has has taken a look at not only personnel or
things that are being said in terms of personnel, but
is he taking a look at what people are saying
and how they feel about the Jaguars as a whole.
And to me, that to me will be the biggest
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taiale of the tape moving forward, because regardless of who
you hire as the new head coach, if you don't
take a look at the fact that it's the culture
that you have to address, it's you, yourself and whatever
your involvement is and why things aren't working the way
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that they need to work out for your team. If
you are taking the proper steps and allowing the people
that you hire to do the job that they're going
to do. Then there's a likelihood that the job that
they're going to do is going to be better than
the ones that the people that came before them do.
There's a chance that the relationship between the GM and
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the coach will be a better relation relationship between the
GM and the coach if some way, somehow your involvement
is minimized, if your level of you know, what you're
doing and what you're saying is minimized, And so to me,
I just wonder, is this a sign that you know,
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the con family are looking at you know, maybe maybe
this becomes a trend what you see taking place in Washington.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
How about just create a positive environment.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Be a good cheerleader to the people you've hired to
do the job, and you do you know, you do
the things that have made you the money to be
able to buy the team that you have. Just you
do those things and allow the people that you hire
that you've delegated to do the job do the job.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Let me ask you a question, what's the difference between
Woody Johnson and SHODGHN talk talk talk talk talk gun like? Honestly,
what's the difference?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Shot Collins not as involved in the day to day operations,
and and you know he isn't around quite as much,
Like he doesn't meddle in stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I mean I would assume. I mean, his son Tony
is not you know, if he is involved, he's not
using the Madden ratings to make or influence his dad's decisions.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, he's got his own issues, Tony. He's got there's.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Something that maybe you're a huge other stuff going.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But I mean, look, you know, I just well, you know,
he's not not all that successful in other other aspects.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
And just Joy always trying to compare him to Lee.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, there is no comparison. I'll take Lee over Tony.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Wow, there you go, Lee, I'll take Hey Lee.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I will take him.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
But no, I just wonder because remember when he couldn't
wait to fire urban Meyer. He fired urban Meyer and
everybody celebrated because like, oh yeah, he's got to go.
It's top. So gotta got to get rid of that guy. Man,
he's running running down the organization. Where are we at,
like now?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Where?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Like that that was years ago, and yet it's still
the same mess that it always is. And the problem is, like,
if you're Trevor Lawrence you got to be looking around
going I mean, I appreciate my names on the stadium,
who's coaching here, and who's the.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
GM, and your money's in the bank, like.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, just gonna do on the bank flounder with
two hundred million dollars and be like all right, well,
at least I made a couple of coins while I played.
I just don't, like, I don't know what the difference
is between them. And yet, for some reason Shotgun, maybe
because it's in Jacksonville, he doesn't really get a lot
of the heat that other owners get to where he's
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overseeing and and he's the guy on watch with this
disaster every year, Like what did they do?
Speaker 6 (10:53):
I just I don't think he meddles as much. I
think you can fold him for his hiring firings.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's his mustache, isn't it. You like his mustache.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
It's pretty sinister, Like it could go either way, like
he could he could be the protagonist in a story
because he's got that, like you know, nice smile and mustache,
or he could be the antagonist.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Like he could.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
He could really be a pretty good villain with that
sort of mustache. It just depends on his mood. But
in all seriousness, I don't think there's any comparison between
the two. Now you might from everything I was told,
the word is that it's it's not a bad organization.
Multiple people I talked to who had been in different places,
been successful in different places, players, coaches. Their response was,
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this is not a bad organization. This is an organization
that they've got an owner who cares, he puts money
into it. It's there's a football problem, and it's one
person who's running it that's the problem. And everyone kind
of pointed to trend Bulky. So if there's any issue
that I think Sean conn has had as an owner,
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it's in most cases he's probably been too patient.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You know.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
He gave Gus Bradley a lot of time there to
turn that thing around, never did.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
And he's given.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Trent balky Way too long of a leash where he
should have known coming from San Francisco. But it feels
a lot different than a lot of the the you know,
issues that the New York Jets have faced Underwoody Johnson.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I don't I don't view them as one of the same.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
What do you do now? You just swing for the
fences and call up Belichick and say, blank check, bring
Michae Lombardi, like whoever else you want to bring with you,
and and let's try and you know, try and get
this done.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Well you gotta say blank check. Why can't you just
offer him the job?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Well, I mean, what's he used?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
I think that would be pretty low low brow though,
I mean maybe it doesn't matter, but that's kind of
low They already hired that man, like like honor that
man getting hired, Honor the institution hiring the man, versus
you know, anything else. Like I don't know, I don't
think you would go get a coach from a different
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team if he was the head coach of the different team,
and it just be like, ah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well we're available. Now you want to come here? Now?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I know they jets hired you in Chicago, but hey, Ben,
here's a blank check.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You want to come here instead?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Like, I don't know, man, I'm saying Belichick, I know,
but I'm just saying I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I don't feel like he took a job.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
They interviewed him, they hired him, like, let that man
coach the North North Carolina tar Hills.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But if he didn't want to deal with Trent Balky,
and now Trent Balky's out of the way. Maybe all
of a sudden, it's like, whack them all. Guys start
popping up. Belichick's the next one on the board, Like
why not take a SA.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
But why is he on the board? There's not another
coach that's available that's on the board that's a good
quality coach. There's still a few out there, a few
Mike McCarthy, I know he's a retreade.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So what is is Ben Johnson and Mike Rabel and
like all these top candidates are gone? And then why.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Are they top candidates because they've been head coaches before?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, no, Ben Johnson's not been a head coach, but
that's okay.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So he's the one top name that that you've mentioned
that Aaron a head coach before? A yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It feels like this is really late in the process
to decide, you know what, we got an issue here?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like, I don't think they decided they had an issue
deep into the process. I think they've been going through
a process deciding and figuring out how deep they are
in a situation.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Do you think sometimes you need to do that all right?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Do you guys think it's a coincidence that hours after
Liam Khane decides I'm good, he goes all right, Trent,
you gotta go. But how many other times did they
hear that before? They were like ah, because it's there's
like good players there, Like you've got a quarterback there
that people think has a lot of promise and he's
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already you know, you've been paid. It's a division you
can win. It's not like Houston was lighting the league
on fire this year, Like why was everybody like turning
down an opportunity to take the job? Ben Johnson didn't
even meet in person with them.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
It is a tad bit curious because on the outside,
like surface level, outside of some of the obvious things
that we may have seen in the past, like what
took place with Urban, outside of that, I mean, you
don't really hear too much craziness coming from there, not
too much. And they do have a quarterback now that
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might start to become more question mark driven. I'm gonna
be honest with you, I don't think you can comfortably
say he's your franchise guy moving forward.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Oh yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I think he's If some of these other guys are
coming under question as to how how far they can
take a team. I think that that is certainly fair
and putting that on that bulls eye on Trevor Lawrence,
he has not I didn't see him progress to a
different level of He's definitely the franchise guy that can
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lead this team.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
To that's fair, the next level.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So I mean he's gonna have some criticisms as well.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
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Speaker 2 (16:46):
The New York Jets have found their guy. They have
found their guy, Aaron Glenn. We were talking about this
little belt yesterday that potentially he was.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Going to get the deal done in New York.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And apparently he is the guy, and more importantly for
this show and more importantly for one LaVar Arrington. If
there's anything he likes more than the solar system, it's
Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers Apparently, apparently, according to Michael
k of ESPN and Aaron Glenn would like to bring
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Aaron Rodgers back and so the plan is maybe Rogers
returns for another year with the New York Jets. This
will be year number three, and maybe, who knows, he
bounces back from the Achilles a year removed and has
a better season. He started to seemingly play a little
bit better towards the end. You know, he got his
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five hundred touchdown and all that. So if Rogers decides
to play, according to this report for Michael kay Gosh.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Why is it if Rogers decides to play, who knows, Like,
don't play that game this year? Like, if you're going
to play, play you want to be on the team,
Say you want to be on the team. You come out,
you say a whole lot of other stuff on media,
come out and say, I want to play for Air Glenn,
I want to play for the Jets. I want to
run it back. I want to play for Aaron Glynn.
Like do that?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
How about if he comes back? Like, come on, man,
we be on that, aren't.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
We, Like I immediately, if I don't hear something from
Aaron Rodgers within the day, within the day, let's move on.
Like if I'm Aaron Glenn, let's move on. If you
don't put it to bed, you want to play, You
want to play? Now, let's move on from him.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So you need to hear first ballot Hall of Famer. Yes,
all right, and you're giving him how much time to
respond to.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You before you until the end of today's business day and.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
The business today for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yes, yes, I'm not playing that, like I'm not playing
that coming in like.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
You're the one piece of this that I need to
know what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Where are we? Like, what do we have going on?
Do you want to play? Do you not want to play?
Because you're not gonna hold me hostage? Like I clearly
passed the Rooney rule. We we got this thing off,
like we got this thing locked and loaded. You see,
they don't give Rooney rule coaches more than one season
to get this thing right. So let's be clear here.
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Are you playing or are you not playing?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Let me know?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Let me know, okay today, all right, let me know
today because I don't have a whole lot of time
to be playing around and I got to put my
quarterback board together. I need to know who my quarterback
is right now, like right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
So you think you think that if Aaron Glenn was white,
he'd give him two days insteady okay.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Maybe two or three.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Can we run with that, please? Is the headline.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
If he were a white coach, he'd be like, huh, Aaron,
let me tell you something. I think you're the greatest,
one of the best. You take as much time as
you need.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Hey, listen, he ho's seventy two hours, Soudarin.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You want to visit the keebler elves, go ahead, you
want to go, You want to go sit on the
top of a pyramid, go ahead. I'll be right here
waiting on your buddy. Hey, pow, let's win some games together.
Take it easy.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Ar Arrington says, if Aaron Glenn was white, he'd give
Rogers more time to decide.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Why not, Well he's got more time.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
No.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
But seriously, all seriousness, like all joking, all joking aside,
all joking aside.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean, you tell me, right, you have been.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
If you're watching what took place in New York this year,
the one thing that you can say is is that
most most times, more often than not, the common denominator
of confusion that was coming from the building had Aaron
Rodgers name connected to it. There might be one, maybe
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at the most two topics that came out Newsworthy news
wise that were not Aaron Rodgers related, and that was
probably the whole Matten the Madden rankings deal that came
out that didn't have to do anything. I don't believe
it had anything originated from Aaron Rodgers, but most everything
else did. So if I am going to state my
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new leadership, my new leadership position as the head coach
of this team, and I'm and I'm saying I'm going
to take a chance with this opportunity with Aaron Rodgers,
I need to know that you're you're on board with me,
and listen, I don't know that it's twenty four hours,
but I'm saying I need to be in contact with him,
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and I said that on the show as much yesterday.
I need to be in contact with him, and I
need to be in contact with him immediately, and I
need to talk to the other leaders of this team,
and I need to understand.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
What the post is on who's good for this team
and who isn't.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
They're going to know who's the cancers in the in
the locker room and who aren't. Who are the people
that you need to have a longer conversation with and
who you are the guys you don't need to have
as much of a conversation with. Those guys are going
to know who those people are, and I need to
have those conversations immediately. Those are the first conversations I
gotta have, and it's gotta be focused in on Aaron
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Rodgers and my quarterback. That's just what it is. I
mean to me, that's the reality of what his first
mission needs to be as the head coach of this team.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Would you take Aaron Rodgers over Patrick Mahomes right now?
Speaker 7 (22:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
No distasking the question?
Speaker 5 (22:29):
All right, that's a rhetorical question.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well, I'm just asking because that was a question Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
It started with the same two letters, but then end
with the rest being the same.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You guys want the instead of the box score, you
want the Knox score.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
What is it? All right?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
He's gonna stass for the season versus Rogers.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Mahomes twenty six touchdowns, eleven picks, Rogers twenty eight touchdowns,
eleven picks. Ye, If Kansas City has Aaron Rodgers as
their quarterback this weekend, they win based on the season.
Based on the season. I'm looking at the stats there,
so put that in your pipes and smoke it sanity
air rods.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Why did you stop there? Did he have his yards
per game quarterback? Really anything else?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
No, that's it's a Knox score. It's not a box score.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
You pick k So we only get we only get
the stats that make it look more favorable for your
It's correct. That sounds like somebody comes on Fox Sports
for you later on the day. Let's go a little
deeper at this conversation. Yeah, it falls apart.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
So, look, Aaron Glenn taking this job and knowing that
he's got Aaron Rodgers in his back pocket, I would
assume is part of the reason why he wants to
take it. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I mean, look at the Las Vegas Raiders still haven't
filled their head coaching vacancy.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
And part of it's because, like, well, they don't have
a quarterback. So as much as you.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Want to sell like it's enticing to be able to
find one, whether that's free agency or through the draft,
it's not like it's it's not you'd rather have a
first ballot future Hall of Famer in Aaron Rodgers, regardless
of what the perception is of where he's at in
his career versus not. I mean, the only thing holding
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back the Jaguars from hiring a head coach. And I
assume now that Bulky's gone, that's gonna happen in forty
eight hours because there's gonna be a race now between
Jacksonville and Las Vegas to hire whoever that next head
coach is. And I think Jacksonville now is going to
move fast, but in part because Trevor Lawnce is their quarterback.
So if you're Aaron Glenn, you took this job because
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Rogers is there. He gives you stability into next year.
If anything, like, I'm probably coming in there saying let's.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Figure out how to kind of make this work work
together and get the best out of you for the
end of your career. I mean one thing that I
think and I think you'd agree with this, LeVar.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Eric Glenn played a long time in the NFL, and
I think he's got a lot of respect for what
Rogers doing. I think, you know, former players look at
other players, they have a lot of respect. And so
whatever those narratives are about you know, Rogers's personality and
whatever the bs, that was not true and that when
we come to find out when it's all said and done,
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how Robert Solid was fired, how this organization was operating,
we come to see, No, it was just at the
ownership level.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
That's how dysfunctional it was. You know, Aaron.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Glenn's gonna look at it and say, like, dude, come on, man,
let let's let's go out the right way.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Let's go try to win a division. Let's go try to.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Win a super Bowl, and whether or not that's obtainable,
like you know, what if the wait and see next
year based on how the games play out, But he'll
be further away from an injury. He'll be you know,
have more connunity with the guys he's playing with. And
that would be my first thing to do, because if
you don't have Rogers in, you don't have a quarterback.
As good as the roster is out around the quarterback
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position or maybe can be, it's just it's not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It's it's going to be the same old, same old.
So that would be my intent if I'm Aaron Glenn
right now, and as I look into this offseason, what
my number one priority is, it's Rogers and it's getting
him to come back and be excited about coming back.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Because what is another realistic option for him a quarterback,
Like realistic, that's an upgrade, but there's not a quse.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
But he's listen, the upgrade could come in free agency,
it could be a fined in the draft. I mean,
you're right, you're not going, like just off the top
of your head, You're not going to name a name
that is going to be more qualified than the one
that you have in Aaron Rodgers. I think the one
thing here, Like you think about Aaron Glenn in his career,
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I mean, he's a.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Top former top draft pick. He played this game.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
He's somebody that as a player you know, you can
you know coming in through the doors. He's one of
the greatest New York Jets to play for the franchise,
like voted that, and and so you think about the
teams he played on, Like I mentioned those names yesterday,
that some of the guys that he played with during
his time in New York. But he's a well traveled
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football player, former football player. And sometimes when you develop
into being a really really fine football coach, it's a
lot of times it's generally based off of the ability
to be able to balance what being that dictator or
the facilitator or whatever you want to you know, name
(27:30):
the coach, what they are. It's that balance between what
they were as a player and what they now are
as a play caller and as a leader of the team.
So the respect factor could be a lot different between
Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rodgers. I mean, they had the
same name, you know what I mean. They both played
in the league, they had very very strong professional careers.
(27:54):
I mean, there's I'm being funny about the name thing,
but I'm just saying it kind of could be an
opportunity for Aaron Rodgers to really salvage what maybe he
thought was going to happen when he first got there
to where he goes now. Because I'll tell you what
he's not going to do. You're not going to do
(28:15):
like the way he was smug and kind of like
played Lafleur to the side and went and dapped up
the defensive coordinator. You're not going to do that to
Aaron Glynn. The way he kind of looked at as
a xercees and was like, you know, get out of
my face, scram beat it. He's not going to do
that to Aaron Glynn. You're not going to do that
to Aaron Glynn like there's a respect factor there, you know.
(28:39):
And and to me, I think that that could play
a major role. And Aaron being and Aaron Rodgers that is,
being in the situation that he's in. It's kind of
a no man's land. You almost gotta want to make
it work with the Jets if you want to stay
in the league, and you don't want to go start
over somewhere else Where's that somewhere else? And for Aaron Glenn,
(29:01):
you don't kind of want to try to find a
different quarterback. You want to try to see if you
can salvage it with Aaron Rodgers. So you're going to
sit there and have the conversation to see if it
makes sense to be able to bring them back. I
think it's advantageous for both sides to want to try
to make this work.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And why wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So you think that Aaron Glenn's more intimidating than Robert Solo, No.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I don't think that it's about being more intimidating. I
just think that's the relatability. I mean, I don't think
anybody's more intimidating than gold bodies erses, you know, what
I mean, I just or.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Or what is it attractive? Who which one?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh snap, I might come up out the water gold anyways.
I mean it's such a simple song. You can put
any any bar tos.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I got a gold ball hit.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Whoa yeah, I got a nose ringing like I could
do every every single like thing that he's got going on.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I'm super tall.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Whoa like?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
You know what I mean, it's like weird man.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
That's what made rap back then so good is that
you could like literally be on some romper room rap.
Like all you had to do is make sure that
the last two letters matched. If it was ar, make
sure that you stay in the ar range, if it's
e R or or ends with.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
At or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
You just got to make sure that you come back
to a word that that rhymes that one like, it's
so so basic. Room.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You don't remember what was the name of that place
at Universal? Was it rumber Room?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
You don't remember? Er Room.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
There's a place TV show Lee. We looked at it
the last when you came. Uh yeah, it was the
rumber Room dance club specials there.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Romper Room was a kid's a kids show man like
you used to watch. It was like Street. I'm older
than y'all, so y'all might not know about Room. That's
an old ass show anyways. That's you use that term
when you're talking about like kind of like beginning, like
that's that's the beginning stuff rooms.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Like what was your favorite sesame character? Got to be
Oscar the Grouch?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Right, yeah he was?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Actually yeah maybe why you try to say I act
like him?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
No, no, no, just the the Dave Chappelle like they
work around like watch he's so miserable. Bitch, I'm in
a trash can. Say one more time, Johns, bitch, I'm
in a trash cab.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Why are you doing that voice?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Dave Chappelle? One more time, Bitch, I'm in a trash can.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
That's your Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's his Oscar the Grouse.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Yeah, that's your days like great Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
It isn't a great Dave Chappelle, but it's all right.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
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Speaker 2 (32:11):
We turn it over to a Thursday tradition He is
the great Albert Breer, the star of Amazon's NFL on
prime coverage, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB,
and a man who on X champion, Yeah, national champion
and on X not afraid to throw out an F
bomb or two A B. What's happening?
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Good morning? It's a three time national champion? Actually, damn?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Oh wow, damn what.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Hi Brady? How you doing?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
What? What? A what an interesting laugh that was?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I mean, I'm doing well, Albert. I'm waiting for you
to make some sort of snarky response.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Did you go to the game?
Speaker 7 (32:53):
I was there?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (32:54):
I was there?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Did you get it?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
So they won?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
To spice you was what? You're you enjoy it?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Well?
Speaker 7 (33:02):
I mean right now? I mean i'd say I'd say
like they're three to oh against Sutre Dame when I'm
in attendance. So it hasn't worked out against Michigan the
last few times, but it has against Utre Dame. And
I want to know on the road too, because I did.
I did. I did register winn in South Bend.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Damn. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Are you okay with the fact that you won a
national title but didn't beat Michigan.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
That's like, I'm not a tremendously large debate going on.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
The feel weird, you know, And I actually, I actually
did prepare for this. I try to prepare for these things.
And uh, I have like an Alabama UH fan friend
of mine who they went through this. Actually I don't
know what it was. I think it was either fifteen
or seventeen that they lost to Auburn at the end
of the year, didn't play in the SEC title game
(33:53):
and wound up winning the whole thing. Anyway, who in.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
The national championship that year?
Speaker 7 (33:58):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Who they?
Speaker 7 (34:02):
That might have been the Georgia I have to look
it up. It might have been the Georgia year where
they beat where it was you know, two came in
off the bench. I think that was it. Either way,
whatever it was they it was either fifteen or seventeen
that they that they won after losing to Auburn at
the end of the year. And he said, uh, yeah,
it was weird at first, but you get over it.
So I don't know, I don't know if I'm quite
(34:24):
like really confronted that in my head, but but I
I'm sure I'll get past it in time.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Yeah, I will say this will be Michigan fans there
to remind you every single time here.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Well, I will say this, so like that Notre Dame
team is tough as that. Like I I I did
not like Notre Dame growing up. You know, I was never,
I never, I never liked Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Mark ye auld't get in, but go ahead.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, well that's probably that maybe part of it. But
I like, I like Marcus Freeman has made that team
impossible for me to like. I I really like watching
that team. They they remind me so much of what
like Jim Trestle's Ohio State looked like. And I I
think Marcus would take that as a compliment because obviously,
you know, sort of his roots. But I mean they
(35:13):
hung in there holy crap and tough as hell. And
Riley Leonard's a warrior. I don't know what he's gonna
be the next level, but I mean just off his
nails and that great house is a really that that
kid's a baller. I mean they have the Kaiser kid
at the linebacker, like, they got a lot of really
good players. It's a again, it's I have a hard
time like coming out of this next year, not like
(35:34):
kind of quietly rooting for notre name when they're playing
anyone except Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Look, I think that's sar I was gonna ask you
about just in general, the run they went on. We
kind of took issue with it, but people were like, oh,
it's the greatest run we've ever seen. It's like, dude,
you lost a couple of games this season, Like you
have to take that into account.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
And on top of that, like the season that Burrow.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Had at LSU, I keep going back to because they
beat seven teams who are top ten ranked top ten
at the time, Yeah, which is better than what we've
watched Ohio State do this year because they kind of
had a soft schedule with the exception of Oregon.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
I would I mean, maybe you count Indiana and then you.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Get in the playoff, and yes, it was a tough run,
but we watched literally LSU have to do that to
get to a playoff, who won the SEC, who went
undefeated and blew everyone out while doing it.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
I mean, I sort of hate that we have to
do this, you know what I mean the immediate aftermath.
But I would say, like, I think their approach to
the season was different, and you might know this, like
from you know, having talked to Ryan and those guys,
But there was like a sort of pacing to the
season like they felt like, I know, the coaches at
Ohio State felt like they had to treat it a
(36:47):
little bit more like an NFL season because of the
prospect of playing sixteen or seventeen games, and so they've
managed the team a certain way, and I think it
may have cost them a little bit during the regular season,
and then you saw what they were capable of when
they really, you know, jammed their foot on the accelerator.
So I think the approach was a little bit different
than you know, what what it had to be five
(37:10):
or ten years ago in college football, where you had
to be all gas, no breaks the whole time or
you risk not making it in at all, you know.
So I think it's going to be interesting, you know,
looking at this run, it's hard to compare it again,
tell us you because what LSU did was ridiculous that
year and you look back at that team and you know,
I tell my kids, like both my boys are big
football fans now, they're like in awe when you tell
(37:33):
them that, Like justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow
were on the same college team, you know what I mean,
Like that's gonna be something we're gonna look back at
and say, like, holy crap, how did that happen? You know,
So it's hard to compare it with that. But I
also think it's like the interesting conversation to have going forward,
like how coaches, how how college programs manage manage the
season now that you know every week isn't do or
(37:56):
dying in the regular season and it is a little
bit more like an NFL season in length, Like is
this sort of I don't know, I don't know. I
don't want to say a blueprint, but is this like
sort of like gonna be the idea going forward where
you have to pace your team through the season so
you can really be all go when you get to December.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, well, speaking of a speaking of a national champion,
Trevor Lawrence, he's looking around going what the as, uh, yeah,
what what's going? What is happening in Jacksonville?
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Yeah? I mean, I think it's is a result of
guys of like having an owner who hadn't always been
fully engaged, and I I you know, it's it's interesting
because a lot of times, you know, we we get
on and rightfully so the owners who meddle too much.
And then there are owners who I just feel like
sometimes are completely disengaged or aren't there all the time.
(38:52):
And you either get situations where you have infighting that
isn't officiated because there's nobody there to officiate it, or
you have situations like this where it's like they completely
tune out with obvious to everyone else, and they put
their franchise in a really difficult spot. And I sort
of feel like that's where shod Cons put the Jaguars
(39:12):
now where I don't think he wanted to do the
coaching search by himself. I think that's traditionally why he's
had a lot of half measures. If you look at
his history, he's only you know, gone through a clean
sweet once and that was almost right away after he
bought the team, and so you know, at the cost
of like you know, you know, having a really attractive
something really attractive top for candidates, he kept Trent balky
(39:36):
And you know, Trent Balkis's name has been poisoned in
the coaching ranks for a long time now, and a
lot of coaches looked at that and said that's a
that's a non starter. I'm not going there. And so
you know, it was an impediment towards you know, for
for guys like Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn who were
in demand. I think it made a non starter for
(39:56):
someone like Mike Rabel. And now you get to this point,
like two weeks in, where it's all right, now we're
going to cut ties. It's like you already screwed yourself,
you know what I mean, like you already you already
put yourself behind the eight ball, and now you're almost
starting all over again. Doesn't mean you can't get it right,
but now the job looks pretty attractive. The problem is,
(40:18):
you know, we're already so far down the road on
on the coach and carousel that you know, you've really
sort of prevented yourself from looking at every possible outcome.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
So what's interesting about that is the I mean, I
think everybody thought that Antonio Pierce losing his job and
in Vegas was because of.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
That very thing, is that you had your guy, which
seemingly was Ben Johnson, lined up to come coach to Raiders.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
So how how should we be looking at what's going
on in Las Vegas.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
Yeah, so I think Brady's involvement is a gan afactor.
So if you you know, he was the one who
got Ben Johnson interview there, like Ben wasn't going to
take the interview, and then Brady made a couple of
phone calls and explained how things were going to be
different with the Raiders that convinced then to go in there.
And I think I think Brady put something really compelling
(41:12):
in front of Ben, just as far as the different
investors he was going to have coming in. You know,
some of the big money guys that have bought into
the team, you know, Egan Durbin, the CEO of Silver
like certainly one of them, about seven and a half
percent of the team. Tom Wagner's Tom Brady's business partner.
The idea was, there's gonna be more resources here and
we're really going to back new coach and we're gonna
be able to insulate you from some of the things
(41:33):
Mark Davis included that have been an impediment for guys
in that position before. So you know, obviously that doesn't
work out with Ben, and now Brady goes to somebody
he knows really well to be a general manager in
John spy Tech and Brady. You know, I'm sure you
guys know about Brady's like the Tuesday meetings he would
(41:55):
have with Belichick later Nick Cassario during the season where
they would sit down and break down the opponent and
go over how you know they were going to game
plan going forward that week. Well, John spy Tech was
a guy who ran that meeting for Brady and Tampa.
And so for three years, every Tuesday, Brady and spy
Tech were together, you know, working through that stuff. So
(42:16):
Brady knows exactly what he's getting and hiring John spy Tech.
And I think spy is one of the best. You
might have been together with him in Denver, Brady, you
might have crossed over with him, but I think he's
one of the He's one of the better young executives
in the game. And so you know, now I think
they reset. They say, Okay, now you know, John, you're
going to help us go find somebody. You're gonna help us,
(42:38):
go find some people to You're gonna help us go
find some people to to build this thing out. And
you know, obviously the first thing I do is is
uh is go find a head coach. But just like
the the Ben thing and the way that evolved, Brady's
fingerprints are all over it. Brady's fingerprints are all over
the GM Hire two.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
I actually never cross paths. He left Cleveland, Uh excuse me.
He got to Cleveland the year after I got traded,
and then he got to Denver the year after I
signed in Kents City, So I never.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Interesting, abe the Cowboys. Last week it was all about
Dion Sanders and uh his coach prime taking the gig,
and now we're hearing stuff about Brian Schottenheimer. Kellen Moore,
what's your What do you think is the likelihood that
it's one of those two guys that gets it gets
the gig?
Speaker 7 (43:31):
Well, I mean I think it shows that they I
don't know, it just kind of feels that they didn't
have a plan. I don't know if it feels that
way for you guys, but I mean, they obviously had
a year to prepare for this. They they were the
ones that sent Mike McCarthy into a contract year and
they come out of it, and you know, I think
you look and you see like they're leaning back a
familiarity when every and you know, at every turn. You know,
(43:53):
it's Steon Sanders, Kellen Moore's Brian Schottenheimer. I think Jason
Witten is somebody to kind of keep an eye on
here too. I don't think he can be the head coach,
but like, could I see them bringing Witten in as
like an assistant under somebody with Schottenheimer and grooming him
to be the head coach the same way they sort
of did that with Jason Garrett in two thousand and
(44:15):
seven and bringing Jason Garrett in having Waite Phillips kind
of as the placeholder. I think that's a possibility. It's
it's a weird it's a weird situation. It's different in Dallas,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
It's just.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
For one reason or another, just does not feel like
they were fully prepared to do a full on coaching search,
and just like Jacksonville feels like they're a little bit
behind and playing ketchup, and their way of doing it
is seems to be to lean back on Jerry's familiarity
with certain people.
Speaker 6 (44:50):
I guess if I had to ask you, Jacksonville, Dallas,
Las Vegas, which gets filled first? And could you give
us some leading candidates for all three.
Speaker 7 (45:03):
Yeah, so I I would say the first one to
get filled my I mean, it could be Dallas if
they decided to move fast unshody. So I think Schottenheimer
Kellen would be the leading shout schat Nheimer, Tellimore be
the leading candidates in Dallas, in in In in Jacksonville.
(45:27):
I think Robert sala is sort of the leader in
the clubhouse now that Liam Cohen has pulled his name out.
Wouldn't shock me if they circle back on Liam Cohen
now they fired Trent dalkey H. And I do think
Joe Brady could wind up being a factor there. I
think that there's a possibility they bring him back next week.
And then you know, you know, my sense would be
(45:50):
with Vegas, you're gonna see a little bit of a resetting.
Now Brady does have respect for for Pete Carroll and
Steve Spagnola, having competed against them, So I wouldn't completely
real rule those guys out. I think that's it's possible.
It's it's one of those guys. And then I think
you're gonna hear some different names with spy tech in there.
I mean one name I'd sort of keep an eye
(46:10):
on that would be way off the radar right now
with the Raiders. Could be Jesse Mincher, the defensive coordinator
with the chargersh Michigan. So yeah, and so he did
a he did a really good job with the Chargers
this year. Obviously they had a great, great track record
in his two years at Michigan. Brady knows him, Spy
(46:31):
Tech knows him, Like I think, I think Mentor would
be just an interesting name if you're looking for a
dark horse to keep an eye on. And then I think, like,
you know, beyond the two older guys I mentioned Stags
and Carroll, you probably look at a little bit of
a longer list, maybe with some offensive minded guys on
it as well.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Abe quickly before I let you go, who what's your
pick for this weekend? Who's who? We see him in them?
Speaker 7 (46:53):
I would say I think I picked. I spend about
like twenty five seconds every week making my picks. I
think I picked. I want to be consistent with what's
up on the website right now. I think it's Bills Eagles.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
I think I picked.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
I think Buffalo. I don't know, man, Like I just
I feel like at some point they got to get
it done, you know, And this is almost turning into
a Brady Manning thing. I didn't realize like that they've
they've played each other in the playoffs already. I think
it's I think it's like this would be the fifth
time that they played each other in the playoffs, which
I couldn't believe this. That's as many times as Brady
and Manning played, or maybe it's four and they're one
(47:27):
short of Brady man you guys look that up. So
I think I think Josh Allen and the Bills get
over the humps this weekend, and then and then the
Eagles Commander's game. I just you know, I picked the
Eagles because they're at home, and I don't know. I mean,
it's just like, I love the way that that the
Commanders are playing. I love where dan Quinn has that program.
(47:51):
I just I from a roster standpoint, it's hard for
me to see where they're going to stand up to
a really, really talented Eagles team. But I would say this, like,
if if the both quarterbacks have the ball in their
hand at the end of the game, I'd actually think
I might take Jadan Daniels right now over Jaleen Hers.
So so if it's close play like, I think that's
(48:13):
where things could go the other way. But I just
think theos are too talented, and I picked I picked
Filly to win.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Get him on x at Albert Breer, the star of
Amazon's NFL on Prime coverage, also senior NFL reporter, lead
content Strategies at the m m QB. Thanks, Ab, appreciate it.
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 7 (48:30):
All right, Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Uh there is It is two pros and a couple
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio doc Holiday. Jesus
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