February 4, 2025 • 31 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about Myles Garrett requesting a trade out of Cleveland, why no one is a fan of the Tush Push/Brotherly Shove, Brady tosses a TD to Lee, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar airings and rating Win and Jonas Knots
on Fox four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So this is the statement from Miles Garrett, the probably
going to be Hall of Famer of the Cleveland Browns,
and the quotes says, as a kid dreaming of the
NFL and all my focus was on the ultimate goal
of winning a Super Bowl, and that goal fuels me
today more than ever. My love for the community of
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Northeast Ohio and the incredible fan base of the Cleveland
Browns has made this one of the toughest decisions of
my life. These past eight years have shaped me into
the man who I am today. While I've loved calling
this city my home, I desire to win and compete
on the biggest stages won't allow me to be complacement complacent.
The goal was never to go from Cleveland to Canton.
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It has always been to compete and win a Super Bowl.
With that in mind, I've requested to be traded from
the Cleveland brown signed Miles Garrett number ninety five and
Jimmy Haslam Way to go, Buddy. Two hundred and thirty
million dollars gets you a weirdo at quarterback who plays
about eleven snaps and says bye bye to a Hall
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of Famer.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It doesn't want to be a part of the clown
show any longer.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That being said, and I want to say this like
thank you to it from a Browns fan, a former
Browns player for everything that he's done. He's a tremendous player.
He was everything that they drafted me they hoped he
would be. I think you will be a Hall of
Fame player. But the reality of the situation is gone.
This if this comes, this is coming out the right time, okay.
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And reason being is they're going to be in cap
hell because of that Deshaun Watson contract and trade. So
because of that, it's a good leverage point. It's not
even a leverage point. It's just good timing for the
team if they're trying to rebuild, they get their cap
back in the right position. Not only going to unload
his contract, but you're most likely going to see them
at some point move on from Deshaun Watson. Have to
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carry that cap hit, and so at least in this case,
you're gonna probably be getting two ones in exchange for him.
He's still the best or one of the best defensive
players in the league. And he's got two years left
on his deal, which is valuable too to any team
training for him knowing that you don't have to necessarily
strike a deal with him right away. So I understand
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where he's coming from. I mean, this is a position
that Joe Thomas kind of held this position right leader
of the team, future Hall of Famer, and he wanted
to stay in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
He wanted to finish his career out there. That's that's admirable.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
But we also should knock Miles Garrett for wanting to
try to have a shot and winning a super Bowl
elsewhere when you know, this is a team that just
isn't serious right now about trying to win a super
Bowl based on how they have handled everything with the
Deshaun Watson situation.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
And he would have to be strategically in his approach
because I mean, he's had his moment in time where
people could be like, hey man, you're you know, like
be happy being here, like we we embraced you through
it all, right, Well they embraced him through it all.
I mean, he had it was he had a weak moment,
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you know, his his helmet was in his hand or
or somebody else's, you know. I mean, I'm just saying
they've embraced him through through his ups and his downs,
and fans aren't really sensible when it comes to you
know what, I want to move on from your team.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's more like, you stay loyal to us.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
We stay loyal to you until one of the two
things happens, right until the team gets.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Rid of you or you want to leave. It's like
one of the two things.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
So I'm just saying to all the fans out there, listen,
you just got to understand that Cleveland, Cleveland has really
put the ownership, has really put the pressure on any
not just Miles Garrett, on any place that's on that
roster that wants to win, because it's the most it's
this could be one of the most insanely clear and
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logical legit reasons that you could sit there and say
I have to do something that you never want to
hear a player on your team say. Is that I'm
turning my back and turning the page on this chapter
of my career.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I mean, it just seems logical to that point.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I would not be surprised if there's not one or
two other players that do something similar.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I think they all see the.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Writing on the wall of where the Browns are in
right now, their cap situation, not able to do much,
not only by the way of not bringing in free
agents to potentially help out this roster, but also just
for them to get extensions. It's gonna be tough again
when you've got a lot of money tied up into
a player who's not gonna be helping you next year.
We know that for sure with his Achilles injury, but
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maybe not on the roster at all, depending on how
the soul works.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
It was there reported ninety some million dollars that they're
trying to recoup. And the scenario is that is that accurate?
Is that true? Is that out there?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's out there, but I don't know how if there's
any validity.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I also think because I can understand the idea that
a fan base would would get a red ass over, well,
you don't want to be a part of this.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You you want out of this situation.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I actually think the Browns fan base is kind of
in a unique spot because I think from the get
go they felt kind of icky about this whole pairing
with Deshaun Watson and to see how it plays out.
There's probably a segment of the Browns fan base and
that population it's like, yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Get it, dude, trade me away, listen, can we go
like like we get it.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's the whole thing has been a disaster, and it's
really it's why one of the things that that I
don't think has really been talked about it We brought
it up on this show before. It's not just the
decision to pay Deshaun Watson and him not playing what
that means to his reputation. Dude, there's so many careers
in Cleveland who were altered because of that, like players
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who never got to see playoff success or whatever, and
when they did, it was Joe Flacco who brought it.
How many coaches have been clipped because of it?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
How many?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It just I don't think we're done seeing the fallout
from that decision made by Jimmy Haslam.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
You know, what would be an interesting concept is if
you had fan like true fan, a true fan market
where if you're like you're part of a certain deal
to your team, Like there's this entire NFL pool of
each franchise that has market share and when you're an
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investor in like season tickets and different things that are
are connected to the franchise, that it shows that either
the stock is gaining more momentum and gaining more value,
or you may want to sell that stock and go
for a different stock within that marketplace. How cool would
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that be to be able to see what the fan
base really looks at and what they value, Like, oh,
I want to.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Trade my Cleveland stocks to you. I would like to.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I would like the game market share with the forty
nine ers, like I'm going to take a chance, and well,
I'm going to look at the Rams and I want
to gain market share with the rest. That would be
really cool if you could see a market share that's
directly connected to the fan bases of a.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Team, if they're basically publican traders say, right.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I think that would be super awesome because to me,
you can't get arrogant enough. I think the point of
making that point is a franchise should never like you
look at the Cowboys, you know, you should never be
so arrogant about your team and what you look at
as the value of your team where you lose sight
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of the fact of why you do what you do,
and that's to bring in players that make your team
good enough to be able to compete ultimately for a
Super Bowl title. That's what drive your fan base. You
give them hope, that's what gives them the ability to
be able to chair and buy the peril and buy
the season tickets and all the experiences. Yet you don't
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see those decisions being made by these franchises. It's like,
seems like it's everything but that you try to get by,
and you get by because you do see the impact
of Okay, the Cowboys are one of the most value,
the most valued franchise.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
In the NFL and in all the sports. How is that?
How is it that you have such a.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Poor product, but yet that product continues to gain more
momentum and more value.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
There's no real incentive to change how you approach what
you're doing.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
There's no incentive because you're getting the results that you want.
It just seems like interesting the dynamics of making a
decision like the Cleveland Browns did and ending up in
a situation where one of your best players in the
history or the entire organization wants out. Just say it, commentary, if.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I may provide some optimism for Cleveland Browns fans, this
would be it again. You're probably gonna get a couple
first round picks and something else for him.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Like that's how good of a player he still.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Is at his age production even in even the contract situation.
The other thing I'd say is if you look at
Jim Schwartz as a defensive coordinator and maybe subscribe to
this LeVar maybe you don't, but you know with Miles Garrett,
you're gonna guy who's gonna get double teams. He's gonna
get all of the scheme. You know, changes you're gonna
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make in your past protection run block because of how
good he is. You lose that obviously when he's him
not being there and you lose the ability to rush
for maybe get home with that. Jim Schwartz likes to
bring pressure, though, so I'm not saying that like when
you have a guy like him and you've got a
coordinator brings a lot of pressure that he's not valuable
because he is and especially how much more impactful he
makes things if you can get him in one on
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one situations. But when you have a coordinator like likes
to bring a lot of pressure, though, it nullifies it
a little bit. You know, there's like the old days
of like the Seattle Seahawks back when they just rush
for play their cover three, and that was that they're
going to get home with their rush, right, That's not
what Jim Schwartz does.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So I think from a schematic standpoint, if.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I was like looking for a bright spot, it's like, well,
you've got a coordinator who knows how to adjust around
not having that like game change or at defensive end.
I think Jim Schwartz can still you know, figure out
a way of getting pressure on opposing quarterbacks despite not
having Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Again, not not not.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Ideal, but I think I think we could all understand
while Miles Garrett wants to.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Be somewhere else, how many teams in the NFL have
a better roster than Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Not how many? Yeah, Philly.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
And when you say those those types of names, like
when you leave off with a Philly that that is
like an anomaly. I would say the Philly rosters, like
you don't see that roster, that type of roster around
the league.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
What a waste.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I don't see that from top to bottom, from back
to front, on both sides of the ball. You don't
see a Philly roster around the league. So when you
say Philly and you look at roster wise, what Cleveland
has or what the Jets have, Which is funny because
one of those teams wins and the two other teams
are pretty much in the same exact situation and circumstances.
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You work that one out, but they're literally are probably
two three teams.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Maybe two.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
San fran Sant France was rosters the close, Detroit's getting
there the way they've done. Detroit's close when healthy, I
would say the Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
The Jets is Baltimore. Baltimore, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But like, these are teams that like shouldn't be picking
number two in the draft. No, they shouldn't, and it's
it's because of a move that they didn't have to
make that they did.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I mean, it's one position that they're they're lacking. I
don't know, but it's it's interesting. And to Q's point,
I mean he's one hundred percent correct. I mean, when
you do have a scheme, you know, edges are now
becoming such in demand that there are a ton of
guys that are comparable. If you have the proper scheme.
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In fact, you're platooning guys even with those elite edge
rushers to that point, so they probably will look at
it from the standpoint of bringing in somebody out at
free agency. I mean, you see somebody like von Miller
who's on that same level a pass rusher.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
As Miles Garrett has been.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
He's at the end of his career, and yet it's
still a very valuable piece of Buffalo's defense. Yet it's
a platoon situation. So Miles Garrett is definitely a three
down defense event. He can play to run as well
as be a great an effective pass rusher. But to
the point you can get two guys that are affordable,
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you could get three guys within the contract of what
you have with Miles Garrett and get a platoon situation
where this guy is purely a pass rushing edge. This
guy is more of a take on a set the edge,
take on the run type of player.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
You can get a two for one, almost like running backs.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
At this point, you can get a defense and you
can get edges by committee.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
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the Tush Push or the what else think of the
Brotherly Shove, brotherly whatever other goofy nerdy nickname that that.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Plays, I could have replaced the Lewinsky for real, damn
you know, Bill Clinton.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Could have adopted that. You know who's not a I
was not related to the Brotherly Shove.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I did not commit item.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know, he's not a fan of the tush push.
Packer's president Mark Murphy, who I think is retiring soon
if I'm not mistaken. He was in his latest Q
and A session, which, by the way, I'm really gonna
miss his Q and A sessions because he doesn't realize
how brutally honest he's being at times, and he was
asked about the play the Tush Push, and he said
the following quote, I'm not a fan of this play.
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There is no skill involved, and it is almost an
automatic first down on plays of a yard or less.
The series of plays with the commanders jumping off sides
in the NFC title game to try to stop the
was ridiculous. The referee even threatened to give the Eagles
an automatic touchdown of the Commanders did not stop it.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I would like to see the.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
League prohibit pushing or aiding the runner on this play.
There used to be a rule prohibiting this, but it
is no longer enforced because I believe it was thought
to be too hard for the officials to see. The
play is bad for the game, and we should go
back to prohibiting this push play of this push of
the runner. This would bring back the traditional quarterback sneak
that worked pretty well for Bart Starr and the Packers
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in the Ice Bowl. End quote from Mark Murphy of
the Packers wait to take a stand. Mark as what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Let's just go back and do everything the way it
used to be done when bart Starr was there.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
You bet your ass to do that, my truck would
be new again and the hit slap icicle emp.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So I was curious when I read the quotes from
Mark Murphy, and I reached out to Dean Blandino, and
Dean said officials never called it, so they took it
out of the rule books, you know, probably in the
late nineties or something like that, which and then I
kind of followed up because I was like, what, it
was a rule for a long time in college. I mean,
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you go back to like the bush push game and
all that it was illegal.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But to Mark.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Murphy's point, the frustration from the officials is they never
felt like they could accurately officiate it in a game,
going back to the speed of the game and how
hard is to see everything.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So that's what they took it out.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
The hard thing about this is, obviously, from a formation standpoint,
the way they Philly in particular lines up is legal,
but the play in and of itself doesn't look like
anything else that we see in the game of football.
And on top of that, we did, if you're just
taking saying from a true competition standpoint, we did change
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the field goal or the point after attempt excuse me,
the point after attempt and moving it back because we
thought that was a non competitive play. Kickers were making
it a too high clips, so it was just kind
of like a hu hum play. Okay, on fourth and one,
look at the stats. It's not just affiliates, every single team.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Look at the stats.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
On fourth and one of the conversion rate when they
use that specific play. And so I look at that,
and I go, if it's a non competitive play in
over seventy or seventy five percent on fourth and one,
there's a conversion rate. You've got to look at it
from a competitive standpoint, And then if you look at
it from a player safety standpoint, you just can't tell
me the way that play is ran on either side
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of the ball, especially with what Washington was doing, that
this is a safe play.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
For teams in the NFL. It's just not.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
I just find it to be a tie bit curious
how it's become so commonplace to allow other players to push,
even not in just the push push scenario, just the
idea of being able to grab your teammate and drag
them and push them further into play. And by the way,
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listening to the color call, you know the commentator is like,
oh my gosh, look at the strength of his legs.
Look at that leg dry he's just powering his way through.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
No, he's squats five point fifty for reps of ten.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
How much does that lineman squat that's pushing him, or
those two linemen that are pushing him through the defenders
that are hitting him.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It just it that to me is what's egregious.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
And all of this, the dragon points what point did
it become okay to push them and drag them the way?
Like he's not. All he has to do is just
hold the ball. Just hold the ball, bro and they
cause you got teammates, You got teammates that are going
to do to work for you. Just hold that ball
like I don't. I don't like it personally, I don't
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like it. I don't like the fact that it's glorified
because it takes away from to me, what what the
duty is of the person that's carrying the ball is
supposed to do. But with that being said, it now
makes first has always been a super important down. Obviously
you want to win first down, but now knowing that
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you are allowed to push and aid and assist players
in the manner that you are, especially in the formation
of a toush push where you're basically creating a scrum.
You're basically creating a scrum and one side doesn't know,
Like the ball isn't neutral, right, it's not neutral. The
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ball belongs to one side, So there's not a there
is a tremendously competitive edge to the offensive side of
the ball because the ball is not neutral, meaning both
sides are not allowed to get gain possession of the ball.
So in a toush push situation, you can do exactly
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what Philadelphia did, which is draw the defense off sides
because if they don't, if they're there is not a
legitimate anticipation of the snap count as.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
A defense, you most likely will not win.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
The rep in a one yard one yard piece of
of of space on the field. So to me, it
creates an unbalanced and an uneven competitive, you know, situation
scenario on the football field.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But again with that being said.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
First down now becomes important because the second and third
down now becomes a down where I'm I'm not looking
to get the first down on third I'm actually making
sure that I'm continuing to manage how far away we
are by fourth down, which in our day that was
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not how it was. If you don't get it done
by third down, you're punting. You're punting. The same odds
that that existed back in our day of playing do
not exist now on those shorter versions or manageable situations
on fourth down. The book the odds say go for it,
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and they are and that toush push, especially the way
Philly runs it, it's tremendously effective.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
It also skews the stats in regards to the analytics,
right when you're looking at situations and you're saying it's
fourth and one, oh, go for it, you know, no
matter the position on the field, because over seventy percent
of the time on average in the NFL, offenses are
going to convert.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
If you're Philly even more than that, So that there's
also an element of that too.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I think when you look at the data analytics and
how you apply it, if you took that play away,
it would then change a lot of I think how
teams look at the fourth and one's a situation depending.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
On their position on the field.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It is a ridiculous looking play like it's just ridiculous
the whole, like the there is no other And when
Nick Sirianni says, oh, yeah, it's first nine, because it's
just an automatic, like he knows, yeah, we're just we're
gonna pick up that first down like that, they can't.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I don't understand why you don't get like a Saquon
Barkley or a Derrick Henry, like start start recruiting.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Like big ass strong.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Backs that take the ball from under center and plow
forward for three yards four yards and use.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'll tell you who did it, and it works every time.
Penn State.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
We did it with Tyler Warren, and we did it
out of even out of uh.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
We even did it out of a shotgun.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
And that style of play will gain you at least
three to four yards every time you run it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Every time you run it.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Let me throw this at it, you guys, is it
more likely the play would be banned this summer?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
If yeah, it beat Kansas City in the Super.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Boy, Yes, that would that would get the that's the that's.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
The straw that broke the camel's back literally, or.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Even let's just say they they use it successfully.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Like five or six times. Yeah, Or how about this.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
What if Kansas City does exactly what Washington did and
they keep trying to time it up and jump over?
I could see a guy like Drew Tranquill, smart player,
who would would try to do something similar, try to
time it up, jump over.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Which about the way they kept calling the Paula Malou play,
which was tremendously offensive. Now, now mind you, by the way,
just just just to make it about me moment.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It was.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
It's tremendously offensive because it's the play is named after me.
It's yeah, it's named after me, like timing snap and
diving over.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
So that was what was offensive, Not because Paul mal No.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
No, I love the fact that Polamalu did it and
Roy Williams.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I love that they did it.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
But I'm saying the fact that Frankie Louvu, who it
seemed like it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Looked great the way he did it. It's just the
problem is is.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I was making the case for the ethnic part of it. Yeah, no,
I think the comparison.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm alright with Louvu too. You know that you don't
know about to see you and a Cali guy.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
See when you and Cali long enough, you know my
Samoan and Polynesian brothers.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
You know they hit you with that. Yeah, that was
always like when the defense checked Tampa two, they do that.
I thought that was this or that. Yeah, I hit
you like this, I hit you with tan check hands check.
But it don't slay that banjo banjo. I mean that
could be banjo. It could be a banjo.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
But on the inside we we play it, play it?
Oh the yeah, it's the you know when when he
starts to check you started checking.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Then you go here, you go here, you go here,
go to Tampa. Then he checked it again. Reload.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
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Speaker 3 (26:18):
Sir, sir, can you come here? Can you come here?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
For?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I think they were like state troopers? And what's wrong?
Can't can? Can we get?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Can you cover him? One on one? Do you think
that you can cover him on no?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
One?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
And he's going to throw the ball? Do you think
you can do it?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Let Brady throw it? No, I said, Brady said, hold
the ball? No, no, not brave, but you tam ball?
All right? Okay, okay, okay, fair enough, now guy, I
don't think we get so you know, all right?
Speaker 5 (26:58):
So here's the here's what we got going on. So
catch Ryan? Ryan is what what are you here? You're
a supervisor? Yeah, Ryan's a supervisor. And I'll tell you what.
He's a fine looking young man. Now there's Lee right there. Lee,
do you think you.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Can get him in a one on one pass route. Yeah,
of course, I'm sure he's gonna be tight coverage. I'm sure,
but I can catch him come way up in the middle.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Ryan's got some good size on him. He's played. He's
definitely played football before.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
He looks.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Yeah, and Ryan, if you can sit him down and
not let him get off the ball in a press coverage,
I'm telling you you're gonna go vibe.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
See, I don't have much of a route tree possibility.
We're pretty confined here. What do you mean, take your
headset off? You can what I tell you. Yeah, take
your headset off.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Lee, run a bang eightly, go go out there and
get banged damn for eight seconds, and it's going to
be Ryan that that does it to you.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Now.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
I can't even begin to tell you how excited I
am about this matchup.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
So here we go. All right, your guys are going
to go this way. No, no, no, no, Lee gets
the pick. You gotta cover from you whatever way he wants.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
It's I mean, I'm saying, but which that's there's he
goes whatever way he wants.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, but doesn't he's just trying to get open. Okay,
you gotta getrimmage. We got That's why it's too skinny.
That's what I'm saying. But which direction is any direction
you want? You's gotta get open. Yeah, but if he
runs that way, then there's no reason for it. No,
that's the point. It's also really skinny over that. That
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is the point. You're not that's the point. That is
the point. It's an uphill battle for Lee.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Then get in the middle. Get in the middle, and
you gotta get past him. You got to get past
him in.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
That live it's here we go. It's a fourth and
six Lee lighting up. Here we go. Went out of
the shotgun.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Okay, okay, game on the line.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Get a fire. He had a little help. I was
had a little help. Hit my risks.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That good coverage, he knew his sideline. Turned it on
though sidelines.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I've never seen that speed from before in my very competitive.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
You got hit my wrist. It didn't hit my wrist.
We gotta have a redo, croach, I need a back.
I don't have a slack. We gotta have a redo.
Here we go something there we go.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Yeah, buddy, hey boss, we got laugh going right now.
We got come.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
By the way. Lee does have some top speed let
me tell.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
You what I'm saying. Tell you how you feel. You
want to do it one more time? Come on, let's
do it.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Least side of breath. Here we go.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
He does look a little try.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Don't you let him get you? Don't you let him
get you? Ryan quit out of the shotgun. Here we
go in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Leave from right to left on your radio dial.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Bar.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
That's a touchdown. That's a touchdown. We need to dance.
We need Oh yeah, I don't drink up liquor sorely
tax the house. Oh my god, Oh my god. That's
the best. Thank you for.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
That. Awesome that has gotta be the best ever that
that might be that we've ever Lee hitting with the
double move and got him.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Oh you, Lee has better speed, athleticisms. I was impressed.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Hey, you don't want to mess with Lee and like, hey,
who call some people out probably drunkenly and they don't
know what they're getting bacon.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I mean, we try double move he put on him.
Ryan has some decent some some catch up street. Hey,
look at your double move.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Look at that double move, all right, So that is
the So that's what we got.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Lee with a double posted.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
So I can watch it.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Oh my god,
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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on Fox four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So this is the statement from Miles Garrett, the probably
going to be Hall of Famer of the Cleveland Browns,
and the quotes says, as a kid dreaming of the
NFL and all my focus was on the ultimate goal
of winning a Super Bowl, and that goal fuels me
today more than ever. My love for the community of
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Northeast Ohio and the incredible fan base of the Cleveland
Browns has made this one of the toughest decisions of
my life. These past eight years have shaped me into
the man who I am today. While I've loved calling
this city my home, I desire to win and compete
on the biggest stages won't allow me to be complacement complacent.
The goal was never to go from Cleveland to Canton.
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It has always been to compete and win a Super Bowl.
With that in mind, I've requested to be traded from
the Cleveland brown signed Miles Garrett number ninety five and
Jimmy Haslam Way to go, Buddy. Two hundred and thirty
million dollars gets you a weirdo at quarterback who plays
about eleven snaps and says bye bye to a Hall
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of Famer.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It doesn't want to be a part of the clown
show any longer.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That being said, and I want to say this like
thank you to it from a Browns fan, a former
Browns player for everything that he's done. He's a tremendous player.
He was everything that they drafted me they hoped he
would be. I think you will be a Hall of
Fame player. But the reality of the situation is gone.
This if this comes, this is coming out the right time, okay.
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And reason being is they're going to be in cap
hell because of that Deshaun Watson contract and trade. So
because of that, it's a good leverage point. It's not
even a leverage point. It's just good timing for the
team if they're trying to rebuild, they get their cap
back in the right position. Not only going to unload
his contract, but you're most likely going to see them
at some point move on from Deshaun Watson. Have to
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carry that cap hit, and so at least in this case,
you're gonna probably be getting two ones in exchange for him.
He's still the best or one of the best defensive
players in the league. And he's got two years left
on his deal, which is valuable too to any team
training for him knowing that you don't have to necessarily
strike a deal with him right away. So I understand
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where he's coming from. I mean, this is a position
that Joe Thomas kind of held this position right leader
of the team, future Hall of Famer, and he wanted
to stay in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
He wanted to finish his career out there. That's that's admirable.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
But we also should knock Miles Garrett for wanting to
try to have a shot and winning a super Bowl
elsewhere when you know, this is a team that just
isn't serious right now about trying to win a super
Bowl based on how they have handled everything with the
Deshaun Watson situation.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
And he would have to be strategically in his approach
because I mean, he's had his moment in time where
people could be like, hey man, you're you know, like
be happy being here, like we we embraced you through
it all, right, Well they embraced him through it all.
I mean, he had it was he had a weak moment,
(03:17):
you know, his his helmet was in his hand or
or somebody else's, you know. I mean, I'm just saying
they've embraced him through through his ups and his downs,
and fans aren't really sensible when it comes to you
know what, I want to move on from your team.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's more like, you stay loyal to us.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
We stay loyal to you until one of the two
things happens, right until the team gets.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Rid of you or you want to leave. It's like
one of the two things.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
So I'm just saying to all the fans out there, listen,
you just got to understand that Cleveland, Cleveland has really
put the ownership, has really put the pressure on any
not just Miles Garrett, on any place that's on that
roster that wants to win, because it's the most it's
this could be one of the most insanely clear and
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logical legit reasons that you could sit there and say
I have to do something that you never want to
hear a player on your team say. Is that I'm
turning my back and turning the page on this chapter
of my career.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I mean, it just seems logical to that point.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I would not be surprised if there's not one or
two other players that do something similar.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I think they all see the.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Writing on the wall of where the Browns are in
right now, their cap situation, not able to do much,
not only by the way of not bringing in free
agents to potentially help out this roster, but also just
for them to get extensions. It's gonna be tough again
when you've got a lot of money tied up into
a player who's not gonna be helping you next year.
We know that for sure with his Achilles injury, but
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maybe not on the roster at all, depending on how
the soul works.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
It was there reported ninety some million dollars that they're
trying to recoup. And the scenario is that is that accurate?
Is that true? Is that out there?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's out there, but I don't know how if there's
any validity.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I also think because I can understand the idea that
a fan base would would get a red ass over, well,
you don't want to be a part of this.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You you want out of this situation.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I actually think the Browns fan base is kind of
in a unique spot because I think from the get
go they felt kind of icky about this whole pairing
with Deshaun Watson and to see how it plays out.
There's probably a segment of the Browns fan base and
that population it's like, yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Get it, dude, trade me away, listen, can we go
like like we get it.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's the whole thing has been a disaster, and it's
really it's why one of the things that that I
don't think has really been talked about it We brought
it up on this show before. It's not just the
decision to pay Deshaun Watson and him not playing what
that means to his reputation. Dude, there's so many careers
in Cleveland who were altered because of that, like players
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who never got to see playoff success or whatever, and
when they did, it was Joe Flacco who brought it.
How many coaches have been clipped because of it?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
How many?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It just I don't think we're done seeing the fallout
from that decision made by Jimmy Haslam.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
You know, what would be an interesting concept is if
you had fan like true fan, a true fan market
where if you're like you're part of a certain deal
to your team, Like there's this entire NFL pool of
each franchise that has market share and when you're an
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investor in like season tickets and different things that are
are connected to the franchise, that it shows that either
the stock is gaining more momentum and gaining more value,
or you may want to sell that stock and go
for a different stock within that marketplace. How cool would
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that be to be able to see what the fan
base really looks at and what they value, Like, oh,
I want to.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Trade my Cleveland stocks to you. I would like to.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I would like the game market share with the forty
nine ers, like I'm going to take a chance, and well,
I'm going to look at the Rams and I want
to gain market share with the rest. That would be
really cool if you could see a market share that's
directly connected to the fan bases of a.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Team, if they're basically publican traders say, right.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I think that would be super awesome because to me,
you can't get arrogant enough. I think the point of
making that point is a franchise should never like you
look at the Cowboys, you know, you should never be
so arrogant about your team and what you look at
as the value of your team where you lose sight
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of the fact of why you do what you do,
and that's to bring in players that make your team
good enough to be able to compete ultimately for a
Super Bowl title. That's what drive your fan base. You
give them hope, that's what gives them the ability to
be able to chair and buy the peril and buy
the season tickets and all the experiences. Yet you don't
(08:18):
see those decisions being made by these franchises. It's like,
seems like it's everything but that you try to get by,
and you get by because you do see the impact
of Okay, the Cowboys are one of the most value,
the most valued franchise.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
In the NFL and in all the sports. How is that?
How is it that you have such a.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Poor product, but yet that product continues to gain more
momentum and more value.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
There's no real incentive to change how you approach what
you're doing.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
There's no incentive because you're getting the results that you want.
It just seems like interesting the dynamics of making a
decision like the Cleveland Browns did and ending up in
a situation where one of your best players in the
history or the entire organization wants out. Just say it, commentary, if.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I may provide some optimism for Cleveland Browns fans, this
would be it again. You're probably gonna get a couple
first round picks and something else for him.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Like that's how good of a player he still.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Is at his age production even in even the contract situation.
The other thing I'd say is if you look at
Jim Schwartz as a defensive coordinator and maybe subscribe to
this LeVar maybe you don't, but you know with Miles Garrett,
you're gonna guy who's gonna get double teams. He's gonna
get all of the scheme. You know, changes you're gonna
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make in your past protection run block because of how
good he is. You lose that obviously when he's him
not being there and you lose the ability to rush
for maybe get home with that. Jim Schwartz likes to
bring pressure, though, so I'm not saying that like when
you have a guy like him and you've got a
coordinator brings a lot of pressure that he's not valuable
because he is and especially how much more impactful he
makes things if you can get him in one on
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one situations. But when you have a coordinator like likes
to bring a lot of pressure, though, it nullifies it
a little bit. You know, there's like the old days
of like the Seattle Seahawks back when they just rush
for play their cover three, and that was that they're
going to get home with their rush, right, That's not
what Jim Schwartz does.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So I think from a schematic standpoint, if.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I was like looking for a bright spot, it's like, well,
you've got a coordinator who knows how to adjust around
not having that like game change or at defensive end.
I think Jim Schwartz can still you know, figure out
a way of getting pressure on opposing quarterbacks despite not
having Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Again, not not not.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Ideal, but I think I think we could all understand
while Miles Garrett wants to.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Be somewhere else, how many teams in the NFL have
a better roster than Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Not how many? Yeah, Philly.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
And when you say those those types of names, like
when you leave off with a Philly that that is
like an anomaly. I would say the Philly rosters, like
you don't see that roster, that type of roster around
the league.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
What a waste.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I don't see that from top to bottom, from back
to front, on both sides of the ball. You don't
see a Philly roster around the league. So when you
say Philly and you look at roster wise, what Cleveland
has or what the Jets have, Which is funny because
one of those teams wins and the two other teams
are pretty much in the same exact situation and circumstances.
(11:35):
You work that one out, but they're literally are probably
two three teams.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Maybe two.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
San fran Sant France was rosters the close, Detroit's getting
there the way they've done. Detroit's close when healthy, I
would say the Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
The Jets is Baltimore. Baltimore, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But like, these are teams that like shouldn't be picking
number two in the draft. No, they shouldn't, and it's
it's because of a move that they didn't have to
make that they did.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I mean, it's one position that they're they're lacking. I
don't know, but it's it's interesting. And to Q's point,
I mean he's one hundred percent correct. I mean, when
you do have a scheme, you know, edges are now
becoming such in demand that there are a ton of
guys that are comparable. If you have the proper scheme.
(12:30):
In fact, you're platooning guys even with those elite edge
rushers to that point, so they probably will look at
it from the standpoint of bringing in somebody out at
free agency. I mean, you see somebody like von Miller
who's on that same level a pass rusher.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
As Miles Garrett has been.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
He's at the end of his career, and yet it's
still a very valuable piece of Buffalo's defense. Yet it's
a platoon situation. So Miles Garrett is definitely a three
down defense event. He can play to run as well
as be a great an effective pass rusher. But to
the point you can get two guys that are affordable,
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you could get three guys within the contract of what
you have with Miles Garrett and get a platoon situation
where this guy is purely a pass rushing edge. This
guy is more of a take on a set the edge,
take on the run type of player.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
You can get a two for one, almost like running backs.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
At this point, you can get a defense and you
can get edges by committee.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
In today's league.
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Speaker 5 (14:17):
Alligator didn't eat him, Yeah, ma'am.
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the Tush Push or the what else think of the
Brotherly Shove, brotherly whatever other goofy nerdy nickname that that.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Plays, I could have replaced the Lewinsky for real, damn
you know, Bill Clinton.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Could have adopted that. You know who's not a I
was not related to the Brotherly Shove.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I did not commit item.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know, he's not a fan of the tush push.
Packer's president Mark Murphy, who I think is retiring soon
if I'm not mistaken. He was in his latest Q
and A session, which, by the way, I'm really gonna
miss his Q and A sessions because he doesn't realize
how brutally honest he's being at times, and he was
asked about the play the Tush Push, and he said
the following quote, I'm not a fan of this play.
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There is no skill involved, and it is almost an
automatic first down on plays of a yard or less.
The series of plays with the commanders jumping off sides
in the NFC title game to try to stop the
was ridiculous. The referee even threatened to give the Eagles
an automatic touchdown of the Commanders did not stop it.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I would like to see the.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
League prohibit pushing or aiding the runner on this play.
There used to be a rule prohibiting this, but it
is no longer enforced because I believe it was thought
to be too hard for the officials to see. The
play is bad for the game, and we should go
back to prohibiting this push play of this push of
the runner. This would bring back the traditional quarterback sneak
that worked pretty well for Bart Starr and the Packers
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in the Ice Bowl. End quote from Mark Murphy of
the Packers wait to take a stand. Mark as what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Let's just go back and do everything the way it
used to be done when bart Starr was there.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
You bet your ass to do that, my truck would
be new again and the hit slap icicle emp.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So I was curious when I read the quotes from
Mark Murphy, and I reached out to Dean Blandino, and
Dean said officials never called it, so they took it
out of the rule books, you know, probably in the
late nineties or something like that, which and then I
kind of followed up because I was like, what, it
was a rule for a long time in college. I mean,
(17:08):
you go back to like the bush push game and
all that it was illegal.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But to Mark.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Murphy's point, the frustration from the officials is they never
felt like they could accurately officiate it in a game,
going back to the speed of the game and how
hard is to see everything.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So that's what they took it out.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
The hard thing about this is, obviously, from a formation standpoint,
the way they Philly in particular lines up is legal,
but the play in and of itself doesn't look like
anything else that we see in the game of football.
And on top of that, we did, if you're just
taking saying from a true competition standpoint, we did change
(17:46):
the field goal or the point after attempt excuse me,
the point after attempt and moving it back because we
thought that was a non competitive play. Kickers were making
it a too high clips, so it was just kind
of like a hu hum play. Okay, on fourth and one,
look at the stats. It's not just affiliates, every single team.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Look at the stats.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
On fourth and one of the conversion rate when they
use that specific play. And so I look at that,
and I go, if it's a non competitive play in
over seventy or seventy five percent on fourth and one,
there's a conversion rate. You've got to look at it
from a competitive standpoint, And then if you look at
it from a player safety standpoint, you just can't tell
me the way that play is ran on either side
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of the ball, especially with what Washington was doing, that
this is a safe play.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
For teams in the NFL. It's just not.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
I just find it to be a tie bit curious
how it's become so commonplace to allow other players to push,
even not in just the push push scenario, just the
idea of being able to grab your teammate and drag
them and push them further into play. And by the way,
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listening to the color call, you know the commentator is like,
oh my gosh, look at the strength of his legs.
Look at that leg dry he's just powering his way through.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
No, he's squats five point fifty for reps of ten.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
How much does that lineman squat that's pushing him, or
those two linemen that are pushing him through the defenders
that are hitting him.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It just it that to me is what's egregious.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
And all of this, the dragon points what point did
it become okay to push them and drag them the way?
Like he's not. All he has to do is just
hold the ball. Just hold the ball, bro and they
cause you got teammates, You got teammates that are going
to do to work for you. Just hold that ball
like I don't. I don't like it personally, I don't
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like it. I don't like the fact that it's glorified
because it takes away from to me, what what the
duty is of the person that's carrying the ball is
supposed to do. But with that being said, it now
makes first has always been a super important down. Obviously
you want to win first down, but now knowing that
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you are allowed to push and aid and assist players
in the manner that you are, especially in the formation
of a toush push where you're basically creating a scrum.
You're basically creating a scrum and one side doesn't know,
Like the ball isn't neutral, right, it's not neutral. The
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ball belongs to one side, So there's not a there
is a tremendously competitive edge to the offensive side of
the ball because the ball is not neutral, meaning both
sides are not allowed to get gain possession of the ball.
So in a toush push situation, you can do exactly
(20:53):
what Philadelphia did, which is draw the defense off sides
because if they don't, if they're there is not a
legitimate anticipation of the snap count as.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
A defense, you most likely will not win.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
The rep in a one yard one yard piece of
of of space on the field. So to me, it
creates an unbalanced and an uneven competitive, you know, situation
scenario on the football field.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But again with that being said.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
First down now becomes important because the second and third
down now becomes a down where I'm I'm not looking
to get the first down on third I'm actually making
sure that I'm continuing to manage how far away we
are by fourth down, which in our day that was
(21:51):
not how it was. If you don't get it done
by third down, you're punting. You're punting. The same odds
that that existed back in our day of playing do
not exist now on those shorter versions or manageable situations
on fourth down. The book the odds say go for it,
(22:13):
and they are and that toush push, especially the way
Philly runs it, it's tremendously effective.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
It also skews the stats in regards to the analytics,
right when you're looking at situations and you're saying it's
fourth and one, oh, go for it, you know, no
matter the position on the field, because over seventy percent
of the time on average in the NFL, offenses are
going to convert.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
If you're Philly even more than that, So that there's
also an element of that too.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I think when you look at the data analytics and
how you apply it, if you took that play away,
it would then change a lot of I think how
teams look at the fourth and one's a situation depending.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
On their position on the field.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It is a ridiculous looking play like it's just ridiculous
the whole, like the there is no other And when
Nick Sirianni says, oh, yeah, it's first nine, because it's
just an automatic, like he knows, yeah, we're just we're
gonna pick up that first down like that, they can't.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I don't understand why you don't get like a Saquon
Barkley or a Derrick Henry, like start start recruiting.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Like big ass strong.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Backs that take the ball from under center and plow
forward for three yards four yards and use.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'll tell you who did it, and it works every time.
Penn State.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
We did it with Tyler Warren, and we did it
out of even out of uh.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
We even did it out of a shotgun.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
And that style of play will gain you at least
three to four yards every time you run it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Every time you run it.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Let me throw this at it, you guys, is it
more likely the play would be banned this summer?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
If yeah, it beat Kansas City in the Super.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Boy, Yes, that would that would get the that's the that's.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
The straw that broke the camel's back literally, or.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Even let's just say they they use it successfully.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Like five or six times. Yeah, Or how about this.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
What if Kansas City does exactly what Washington did and
they keep trying to time it up and jump over?
I could see a guy like Drew Tranquill, smart player,
who would would try to do something similar, try to
time it up, jump over.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Which about the way they kept calling the Paula Malou play,
which was tremendously offensive. Now, now mind you, by the way,
just just just to make it about me moment.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It was.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
It's tremendously offensive because it's the play is named after me.
It's yeah, it's named after me, like timing snap and
diving over.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
So that was what was offensive, Not because Paul mal No.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
No, I love the fact that Polamalu did it and
Roy Williams.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I love that they did it.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
But I'm saying the fact that Frankie Louvu, who it
seemed like it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Looked great the way he did it. It's just the
problem is is.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I was making the case for the ethnic part of it. Yeah, no,
I think the comparison.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm alright with Louvu too. You know that you don't
know about to see you and a Cali guy.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
See when you and Cali long enough, you know my
Samoan and Polynesian brothers.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
You know they hit you with that. Yeah, that was
always like when the defense checked Tampa two, they do that.
I thought that was this or that. Yeah, I hit
you like this, I hit you with tan check hands check.
But it don't slay that banjo banjo. I mean that
could be banjo. It could be a banjo.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
But on the inside we we play it, play it?
Oh the yeah, it's the you know when when he
starts to check you started checking.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Then you go here, you go here, you go here,
go to Tampa. Then he checked it again. Reload.
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Speaker 3 (26:18):
Sir, sir, can you come here? Can you come here?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
For?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I think they were like state troopers? And what's wrong?
Can't can? Can we get?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Can you cover him? One on one? Do you think
that you can cover him on no?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
One?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
And he's going to throw the ball? Do you think
you can do it?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Let Brady throw it? No, I said, Brady said, hold
the ball? No, no, not brave, but you tam ball?
All right? Okay, okay, okay, fair enough, now guy, I
don't think we get so you know, all right?
Speaker 5 (26:58):
So here's the here's what we got going on. So
catch Ryan? Ryan is what what are you here? You're
a supervisor? Yeah, Ryan's a supervisor. And I'll tell you what.
He's a fine looking young man. Now there's Lee right there. Lee,
do you think you.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Can get him in a one on one pass route. Yeah,
of course, I'm sure he's gonna be tight coverage. I'm sure,
but I can catch him come way up in the middle.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Ryan's got some good size on him. He's played. He's
definitely played football before.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
He looks.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Yeah, and Ryan, if you can sit him down and
not let him get off the ball in a press coverage,
I'm telling you you're gonna go vibe.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
See, I don't have much of a route tree possibility.
We're pretty confined here. What do you mean, take your
headset off? You can what I tell you. Yeah, take
your headset off.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Lee, run a bang eightly, go go out there and
get banged damn for eight seconds, and it's going to
be Ryan that that does it to you.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Now.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
I can't even begin to tell you how excited I
am about this matchup.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
So here we go. All right, your guys are going
to go this way. No, no, no, no, Lee gets
the pick. You gotta cover from you whatever way he wants.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
It's I mean, I'm saying, but which that's there's he
goes whatever way he wants.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, but doesn't he's just trying to get open. Okay,
you gotta getrimmage. We got That's why it's too skinny.
That's what I'm saying. But which direction is any direction
you want? You's gotta get open. Yeah, but if he
runs that way, then there's no reason for it. No,
that's the point. It's also really skinny over that. That
(28:38):
is the point. You're not that's the point. That is
the point. It's an uphill battle for Lee.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Then get in the middle. Get in the middle, and
you gotta get past him. You got to get past
him in.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
That live it's here we go. It's a fourth and
six Lee lighting up. Here we go. Went out of
the shotgun.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Okay, okay, game on the line.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Get a fire. He had a little help. I was
had a little help. Hit my risks.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That good coverage, he knew his sideline. Turned it on
though sidelines.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I've never seen that speed from before in my very competitive.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
You got hit my wrist. It didn't hit my wrist.
We gotta have a redo, croach, I need a back.
I don't have a slack. We gotta have a redo.
Here we go something there we go.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Yeah, buddy, hey boss, we got laugh going right now.
We got come.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
By the way. Lee does have some top speed let
me tell.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
You what I'm saying. Tell you how you feel. You
want to do it one more time? Come on, let's
do it.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Least side of breath. Here we go.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
He does look a little try.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Don't you let him get you? Don't you let him
get you? Ryan quit out of the shotgun. Here we
go in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
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Speaker 6 (30:27):
Bar.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
That's a touchdown. That's a touchdown. We need to dance.
We need Oh yeah, I don't drink up liquor sorely
tax the house. Oh my god, Oh my god. That's
the best. Thank you for.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
That. Awesome that has gotta be the best ever that
that might be that we've ever Lee hitting with the
double move and got him.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Oh you, Lee has better speed, athleticisms. I was impressed.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Hey, you don't want to mess with Lee and like, hey,
who call some people out probably drunkenly and they don't
know what they're getting bacon.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I mean, we try double move he put on him.
Ryan has some decent some some catch up street. Hey,
look at your double move.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Look at that double move, all right, So that is
the So that's what we got.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Lee with a double posted.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
So I can watch it.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Oh my god,
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