February 19, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian Noe talks about some interesting comments from Kevin Durant when asked about his legacy in the NBA and how it shows motivations to be different for various athletes, scary terms like "robot umpires," and much more!
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should be so. Kevin Durant, still of the Phoenix Suns,
was not traded at the deadline.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
He gave some reasons as to why.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'll get to that momentarily, but what stood out most
he did a sit down interview with Malika Andrews of ESPN.
This is for NBA today, And so Malika asked him
a number of questions and one of them was about legacy.
And I thought it stood out what KD had to
say about, Hey, what do you want your legacy to be?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
What do you want people to think of?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
That sort of thing, because I would assume most would
expect to hear something similar than what KD said.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Kd's not a guy that's oh.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, I want you to think of one of
the ten best basketball players who was an elite scored right, Like,
that's really not KD.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Listen to how he answers this question here. Maybe with
the legacy you want to leave on the game.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Many people say, Kevin Durant, you're one of e greats?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
What do you want people to say?
Speaker 6 (02:02):
I just want you to expect the game that you know.
I want you to have fun watching my game because
if you pull up footage, you know, twenty years from now,
I want you to really enjoy those three or four
minutes you're watching me play. And hopefully when they look
at me, they can see that somebody who has a
crowke mindset, who's been expanding his game since day one.
You know, somebody want to be looked at as a worker,
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to be honest, somebody that's going to come in there
and do what's required to help the team. Everything else
after that is it is just icing on top.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, So KD is basically like I just I just
want you to have fun when you watch my clips
on YouTube for three or four minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Like that really is KD.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
KD is not one of these things like I want
to be known as h one of the greatest scoring
you know, guys in the in the NBA, in the history,
and I want you to think of me as.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Not a ring chaser.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But he doesn't think like that. He's like, I just
want you to respect my game and fun when you
watch me play. That's good enough. Everything else is just
cake after that, right, And what stands out to me
is we're not all motivated by the same things. And
that's really important to keep in mind because for a while,
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that's all it was was just legacy, legacy, legacy. What
do you want your legacy to be? What do you
think this guy's legacy will be?
Speaker 7 (03:22):
What?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
What?
Speaker 8 (03:22):
What?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Blah blah blah blah, Where do you think they rank
in history? All that type of stuff, and It's important
to remember that not everybody is motivated by that same thing.
Remember Mike Tyson. This was back in November, but Mike Tyson,
he was being interviewed. This is from Jazzy's World TV,
but you might remember him talking about legacy. Here's Tyson
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on legacy.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
What type of legacy would you like to leave behind
when it's all.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Set and done.
Speaker 9 (03:50):
Well, I don't know. I don't believe in the word legacy.
I think that's another word for ego. Legacy doesn't mean nothing.
That's just some word everybody grabbed on to. Someone said
that they were grabbed doing the words, and I was
used every five seconds. It means absolutely nothing to me.
I'm just passing through. I'm gonna die and it's gonna
be over. Who cared about legacy after that?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Like Tyson didn't care at all, does not care at all.
So some athletes do. Lebron would be an athlete that
cares about legacy, no doubt about that. You remember a
few years ago where he was saying, yeah, well that
three to one comeback against the Warriors. I said to myself,
that made you the goat right there, that made you
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the goat. Like Lebron obviously cares about his legacy and
his standing among the greats in NBA history, and that's fine. Like,
I think it's just personal preference. But there's no hard
fast rule that everybody follows where every athlete is motivated
by legacy. I think that I think that this is
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a common thing for either fans uh sports talk radio.
The legacy thing has been a big bi thing. We
were just talking about this with Mahomes. This was before
the last Super Bowl. There were a lot of people saying, Hey,
if he beats the Eagles, he'll already be the goat,
And I'm like, what, what, what's the rush? Like, we're
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just trying to I don't know, it's like an old
cassette tape deck. This is probably really let's go with CDs.
It's not as outdated like like you organize your CDs
in alphabetical or I got a okay, let's see, uh,
let me see uh where's the B section? Let me
see there we put a let me put you know,
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Backstreet Boys above blind Melon, Like, okay, let me have
that straight.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
That wouldn't be my personal CD collection, just so you know.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
But right, it's like we want to organize all these
athletes in order legacy wise, and I just don't understand
one what the ultimate fascination with that is and two,
more importantly, like.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
What's the rush.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It made no sense to me to talk about mahomes
legacy when he's not even thirty years old.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
It didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And my thought at the time was, even if Mahomes
wins the super Bowl, like Brady still has three more
super Bowls, he still has a head to head Super
Bowl wins, still has a head to head AFC title
game win in arrowhead, he still has all the individual numbers,
all that stuff. It's all like Mahomes would be on
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track to be the Goat, but he wouldn't already be
if he beat the Eagles. But the point is bigger
than that. Just debate the little you know zoomed in
debate is if you zoom out, and it's this whole
fascination with legacy. Fans are all about legacy. Sports radio
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is all about legacy. And it's important to remember that
a couple of athletes like Kevin Durant and Mike Tyson,
they really don't care about their legacy. Like so not
everybody approaches things thinking of that, and if you look
at Kd's career, it's absolutely played out that way. If
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KD was all about man legacy, what am I going
to be known for? How am I going to be remembered?
He probably would have stayed in Golden State. He had
won back to back titles, was Finals MVP in both
of those years. Now you could point out a lot
of people looked at him as jumping on the bandwagon,
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and these are somewhat fake championships. Some people looked at
it like that, and so you could you could make
a counter argument and say, well, that's what did motivate
him to go elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I would look at it and say, if it one
was legacy, he might not have gone to Golden State
in the first place. He might have stayed at OKAC
and thought, hey, winning a ring here would mean more
than winning a ring there. But he didn't think like that.
He doesn't think about legacy. And then I would also
argue if he did care about legacy and he somehow
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ended up in Golden State, he might have stayed there.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
He had a great thing going.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
He's got Steph Curry, Draymond clay As, teammates, there's stack
and chips. You know, he might have stayed, but he didn't.
He's not motivated by that. The other thing that stands
out to me about KD is what could have been.
It's funny to me that KD doesn't care about legacy
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that much, certainly not as much as some other players
and athletes do. He's just not motivated by that the
same way. But what almost was for him and his legacy,
whether he cares about it or not, it would have
been so much greater if in twenty twenty one he
was able to win a championship. And I just I
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can't help but go back to that year where remember
he was with the Brooklyn Nets and his toe was
on the line. We thought that he hit a three
pointer with a second to go to give the Nets
a lead against the Bucks in Game seven of the
semi finals there in the East.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Think of that was a three.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Really, just think about that and how things realistically could
have played out, and what it would have meant for
Kd's stature and legacy and all that type of stuff.
Where if he hits what probably would have been a
game winning three, he scored forty eight points that game.
Now it was a two, the game went to overtime.
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The Nets lost that game. But if that's a three,
I don't know how many points he scored in overtime.
So let's say you scored about forty some points something
like that and hit a game winning shot, a three,
a dramatic three with the second to go in Game
seven against the Bucks. The next series they would have
faced the Hawks. The Hawks were a five seed that year.
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That would have been your Eastern Conference Finals matchup in
twenty twenty one. It would have been the Nets in
the Hawks, and then if the Nets survived that they
get the Suns.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Brooklyn might have won that series.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And remember earlier where Kevin Durant was sensational against the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Kyrie was hurt. Kyrie sprained his ankle.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
He stepped on Giannis's foot in Game three, It's like
the second quarter. So Kyrie Irving missed the final like
four and a half games in that series, and James
Harden was gimpy. James Harden had a hammy that he
was working through. It was Kadi putting the Nets on
his back and they were a toe away from most
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likely moving on to the Eastern Conference Finals. Facing a
five seed, probably being in the NBA Finals, and who
knows what happens there. Maybe Kyrie Irving is back by
that time, maybe the beard is a little healthier. Maybe
Kevin Durant is still absolutely falling, just doing work. Think
about how we would talk about KD right now if
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they want to title that season, and that would have
changed everything. And fortunately for KD it didn't work out
that way. And unfortunately a lot of people just talk
endless trash about KD, his full body of work, his legacy,
and I don't think he celebrated nearly as much as
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he deserves. But it's just funny to me. Maybe, you know,
I don't know. I don't know the answer to this.
Maybe the negativity just drove KD to be like, dude,
you guys this again with the legacy, tuck Man, I'm
just so over It's possibleossible he thought like that. But
my guess is that KD was somewhat wired that way,
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and maybe the negativity took it to the next level.
But I don't think it was solely fueled by that,
because if KD were completely motivated by legacy, I don't
know that he goes to Golden State in the first place,
he might stick it out in No KC because he
would know. Kd's a smart dude. He knows what the
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backlash was going to be. He was leaving OKC, they
had a three to one series lead against Golden State
in the Western Conference Finals the year before he joined
Golden State, so they had a three to one.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Lead and they lost.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
So he's not only joining a super team, he's joining
a super team that just beat him and had a
three to one comeback.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
He knows what's gonna come.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
He knows that people aren't gonna be like, hey, thumbs up, KD.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Smart move man, hope it works out.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He knows it's not gonna be like that, and he
still went there because I just don't think he's motivated
by legacy, but I think the negativity could have taken
it a step further in his mind. But I think
that the decisions that he's made throughout his career, going
to Golden State, leaving Golden State to team up with
Kyrie and Brooklyn, right like, I think k D just
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wants to have fun hoopin', which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
You could argue not the greatest thing for your legacy.
But if you're not motivated by that, it does explain
some of the moves that he's made throughout the years.
So if you're basically like, what do you want your
legacy to be, and you're like, I just want you
to have fun watching my YouTube highlights for those three
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or four minutes, that's really what I want.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's fine. I'm not saying it's wrong at all.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's just an important reminder that not everybody is motivated
by the same things. I think fans missed that quite
a bit because we're all of legacy, like who's better
than who, who's top five, who's top ten, who's.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Number one who?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
That's a lot of it is that, And for an
athlete to be like, yeah, I don't really care about that,
that's basically what KD is telling you. Yeah, just that
fun watching my highlights. That's good enough for me. Like,
we spend a lot of time trying to dissect and
understand why an athlete like KD makes some of the
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decisions that he's made throughout his career, and we're like,
this just doesn't make any sense. If he's thinking about
his legacy, well, that's the answer. He's not he's not
thinking about his legacy. He's motivated by other things. And
so I think that sometimes you only look at it
one way where you're like, why would an athlete not
be motivated by legacy? That just doesn't make sense. A
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lot of fans think that way, and you know, it's
a dose of reality to.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Be like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You you actually want something else, which, hey, man, not
everybody's motivated by the same stuff. We're different people, we
have different interests, we have different goals. So to assume
that everybody's just motivated by the same thing, that's not
necessarily true. They'd be like assuming everybody in like the
non sports world, whatever your profession happens to be, you're
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a lawyer, you work at a factory, you work at
a gas that, whatever you do, we're all motivated by
the same thing money all.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Not everybody is.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Some people just want to make some money and have
a good work life balance. We're not all motivated by
the same thing. It's the same thing in the sports world.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
So KD.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Not exactly the perfect example of an athlete completely consumed
and motivated by legacy, which I think is totally fine,
but it's important to understand that. And so that sit
down with Maliku was pretty good, pretty good stuff, some
revealing answers. Nice all right, eight seven, seven ninety nine
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can't tell sometimes Lorena had you can tell she works
with Ben Maller, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I mean this affects that it's not a dis whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
But you know, you guys will say things at times,
and most times I can tell that there's like kind
of like a dimple in your cheek. You know, you're
being sarcastic or you're just saying something that's that's a joke,
but you might deliver it in a way every now
and then where it's like I'm not completely sure.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, right, is that fair?
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Coop?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Right?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And so, uh, Lorena just told me she's playing Pink
Pony Club right, which is a great song, And she's like, oh,
Coop loves this song. Coop thinks it's a banger, which
he might. But I don't know if she's like being
serious or just joke.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
She telling me the truth her? Coopy? It's a great song.
Speaker 10 (18:15):
Yeah, you should see him in this chair over here.
He turned with the look on his face and he
was mouthing along.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
He lot she she performed that during the Grammys.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
You check that out?
Speaker 11 (18:28):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's when I was watched it
and I was like, wow, okay, Like damn, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Do you know if she was actually singing that song?
Speaker 7 (18:36):
I don't know. I think those are her real vocals.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yes, I'm not sure. Like the performance the Grammys thing.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
I think the Grammys have to be live, right.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I don't I wasn't convinced, not convinced. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I'd have to look at it a little bit closer.
I'm noticing myself. Here's my thing. You tell me if
I'm just being crabby or if I have a la
to stand on here. I want to see you perform.
I want to hear you sing. I want to hear
what you sound like lives.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
That's what I want.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
When I can tell immediately that it's just a recording,
I don't care. I immediately don't care. I don't care.
If your choreography is great and you're dancing is I
don't care. I want to hear how you sound, whether
you're playing an instrument, whether you're singing, whether you're rapping.
Kendrick Lamar's got a lot of songs I like. And
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I know there was some people that didn't care for
the halftime show whatever.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
The only thing I didn't like about it he wasn't he.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Wasn't rapping live. You can tell he's not saying actual words.
And I'm just like, he's a great performer. Why don't
you just let him perform? It makes no sense to me.
And I know that sometimes it's hard and the ear
piece and to be on you know, to hear everything.
But it's a concert. These guys are in concert all
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the time, right and they're performing live. Why would you
not let them perform live? That's what they do. It's
a weird thing to me. But like All Star Weekend,
a lot of people bashed it. But one thing about
what is it? Leangelo Ball he performed a song live.
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You can tell it's absolutely live, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
And Sweedi performed there too. She also was very live
and her breath work was wonderful.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
See, I would much prefer a live performance, like truly
live performance that's a little off, maybe a little pitchy
at times, you know, I prefer the real thing than
just a recording.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
No, Okay, when I was watching those performances the other day,
I was thinking to myself, do you think the NBA
is going to put that into every game to try
and draw more of an appeal, like have big stars
perform at every game?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
So what like what in the middle of the game.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, we just take a time out, you go through
the third quarter and impossible.
Speaker 11 (21:04):
No, there's too many games. I mean that happens at
like the Raiders. They every like every game that I've
been to at the Raiders Stadium, at halftime, there's a
big name performing there. And I'm sure that has something
to do with the fact that they're in Vegas. But
I mean the first time, the first game I went,
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there was three six of Mafia at halftime.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Nice.
Speaker 11 (21:27):
Yeah, yeah, the second one was Sammy Hagar.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
So it's pretty cool. So it's a good idea.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
But just to follow up, I did some research and
the Grammys do not allow their performers to lip sync.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
No kidding, I told you.
Speaker 11 (21:46):
They do have what they call track augmentation, which might
involve pro tools or some other kind of playbacks, but.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Sounds like a fancy way of saying sinking like sing
under the track.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
I think it's more like a sing under the track.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
You have assistance, you have audio.
Speaker 11 (22:05):
Assistance, or certain or certain parts of the song that
are like, you know, like backing vocals.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, I was convinced the guitarist was not playing guitar
during that song.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Either, you're gonna make me watch this so close.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Convinced it just didn't look realistic, like she was just
close to the notes, very close. But it just it
didn't I wasn't convinced she was playing that live. I
put it that way. I could be dead wrong, I
don't know, but it did not seem like it was live.
But how do you guys feel about that? Like, I
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love a lot of different genres of music.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You guys know me.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I love metal, but I love a lot of stuff
outside of metal. I'm way more eclectic than you might think.
Like Shakiro, you.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Seem like a one type of thing, kind of guy. Bruh.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I love who Let the Dogs Out? That screams a
thick lareda good lord, you know. But Shakira, Shakira's got
some great songs. It was during COPA America. It's obviously
a lip syncing performance. It's not even close to being live.
And I'm just tuned out, man, I'm like over the
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Olympics right the opening ceremonies there were a lot of
lip syncing acts going on there.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I just you guys are okay with that. It's like,
so I.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Mostly feel the way that you do, and I ate it.
Speaker 11 (23:27):
And I had most of my life thought like, I
would rather you sound kind of bad yeah than lip
sync because I just I just you know, it's part
of like, what's the difference then of you just going
up and turning on the studio album at the at
full volume, you know, in your living room. That being said, though,
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I am recalling one specific time. So I've seen Rush
like five times.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Live, okay, yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
And the last one that I saw.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, Geddy Lee's voice, Yeah.
Speaker 11 (24:09):
Gedty was just just couldn't do it anymore. And I
remember thinking, when I was sitting watching that concert, I
would almost rather him lip.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Syncing was that bad.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
It was just it was hard for me to get into.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
It, you know, sure, yeah, no, I hear you, But
that's when it's time to call it.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Yeah. To me, it's that like and they and they
did call it shortly.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah after that, Yeah, I would rather you go down
in a blaze of glory than like, all right, let's
start lip syncing. That's just lame, just lame. So no,
not a fan, not a fan when it comes to that.
But I I don't know what it is.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Like.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I'll sort of look for it and be like, yeah,
I'm wondering. You see this sometimes with fights. How many
times if you've seen either boxing MMA, the fighter will
be walking to you know, to go to go fight,
and someone will be walking with them, and it's as
if they're performing live and they're clearly oh yeah, performing live.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I hate that. It's like, what are we doing? This
is stupid? And some of these are great performers. Just
let them perform.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't I don't understand the thinking because I don't
think it comes from the artist. I don't think the
artists would just shy away and say, oh what if
I mess up? Some of these artists have ultimate confidence.
I think it comes from the other people surrounding it, like, oh,
let's ah, they talk them into it. I think that
happens more times than not. It's just dumb. I would
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insist on it if I was like this, this world
class like a musician entertainer like, and I'm gonna be
on a big stage. There's no way I would set
up for lip syncing. I'm like, I'm gonna do what
I do. You know, forget about this lip syncing stuff.
It's just become way too common. Okay, rant over, Sorry,
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let me give you this interesting development with robot umpires.
So it's coming to spring. Over sixty percent of spring
spring training games is going to feature the ball strike challenges,
which is a weird number. Over sixty percent of these
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games in spring training, so they're like, ah, Blue Jays oreos,
who cares no automatic paws and strikes. So this could
be fully implemented in Major League Baseball when the regular season,
like the real games, roll around as early as twenty
twenty six. So first things first, MLB is sort of
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moved away from classifying it as robot umpires. That, by
the way, is the worst description for this of all time,
because I like many people thought that real human umpires
are being replaced by I don't know, robot umpires, right,
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like hence the name. And this was Rob Manford on
the DP Show a while ago, and he's like, oh, no, no,
it's not that at all. This is kind of important
to be on the same page as MLB.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
I get emails from fans regularly saying, you know, why
do you want to have.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
A robot umpire. Well, we're not going to have a
robot umpire. We're gonna have an earpiece in an umpire's ear.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Oh okay, so that that changes things.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So why in the holy hell are you calling it
robot umpires?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Since that time, they've sort of shifted to abs and
that is not anti locked brakes, not that it is
all automated ball strike challenge system.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Again, could not be more baseball.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And I listen, I loved baseball in my youth.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I still greatly enjoyed baseball.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I've said I've fallen out of love with the game
as a whole over the years, but I still I
still like baseball a lot. But this could not be
more baseball. Automated automated ball strike challenge system. Compare that
to the NFL. Okay, the NFL, they might expand replay
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a little bit and might include hits to the head
of a quarterback in the pocket, right like if well,
everybody loves to bash the Chiefs in the favorable calls.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
But if Mahomes is in the pocket and he gets.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Hitting the head kind of like he did in the
Super Bowl and there was no call whatsoever, they could
review it and be like, oh, he actually got hit
in the head. It's not a fumble on that play. Right,
They're not going to call that the automated hit to
the head challenge system. They're not gonna do that. They're
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just gonna They're just gonna call it replay, you know.
Or this is a little bit different than a challengeable call.
It's replay assist. That's what they pretty easy to digest, right,
It's either replay or it's replay assist.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
This is what we have.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I don't know why Baseball this is just called this
automated ball strike challenge system. Crazy idea. Just call it replay.
Let's call it that. It's exactly what it is. It
doesn't need to be robot umpires, it doesn't need to
need to be automated ball strike challenge system. It's this
is a terrible description.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
It's horrible.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Now what it means for the game. I'll be honest
with you. I just gotta see it. I gotta see
it to know if I like it or not. I
think that's fair. I mean, in theory, I'm okay with it.
The way it works is both teams get two challenges,
and if your challenge is right, you keep your challenges.
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So I don't know all of the fine print.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Let's say you get your two challenges right, do you
still do you have like an unlimited amount of challenges.
I don't know if you get everything right, what the
max amount of challenges would be.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I don't know that. And I don't know how quick
this is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I know that either the pitcher, the hitter or the
catcher can call for a pitch to be reviewed. They're
gonna show it on the like the big screen.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And if it's like Tennis, I'm all in.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
If this is a big pitch, you know it's a
three to two count, we're getting late bottom of the
eighth inning, key moment in the game called strike three,
and the hitters like, dude, that was outside, challenge that
and they show it pretty fast, kind of like Tennis,
like and that pitch was outside, he was right, ball four, walk,
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take your base. If it's quick like that, I'm fine
with it. Let's get the calls right. You have to
find the middle ground of you're not getting every single
call right, but at first you have this challenge system
can challenge a few here and there. My question is
also not only how quick is it? How does it work?
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How's the flow of the game? Does it fit? It's
like where does it go? Because you know as well
as I do. As soon as they start walking down
this road and they're like, all right, we'll give you
two challenges and maybe a bonus challenge if you're right
with your other two, or maybe you get like four
max or whatever, they're gonna start saying, well, why do
we only have this limited number? Why don't why don't
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we have like ten, Why don't we have unlimited? So
when it gets to that point, I don't know. I'll
be honest with you, I don't know if I'm going
to like it or not. I think I will, but
I actually have to see it because it is. I'll
give you an example basketball college basketball. If somebody said, hey,
you could review goaltending calls. You can review some inbounds
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like who's it off of type calls? There are limited things.
Would you be in favor of this? I'd be like, yeah,
I'm in favor of that, but the way it's implemented
and the way it actually plays out where they're like, yeah,
I'm pretty sure it was off of Xavior because there
weren't any Miami of Ohio players in the near vicinity.
But let's just make sure, and let's take five minutes
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making it's so bad. So I need to see it
to fully give you an answer. My prediction is I'll
like it, but I don't know if that's how I'll
feel about it. I do know this, the names are atrocious.
Robot umpires could not be more misleading. You're like, oh, shoot,
you got robot umpire. No, no, no, we just have an
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earpiece in the human umpire's ear. Oh okay, well, I
don't know why you would call it robot umpires though.
That's pretty stupid. Now it's automated ball Strike Challenge System.
Now I hate those names. I do know that I
hate those names. But the actual challenge system, I don't know.
Could be a big fan of this. I like it
in theory, just have to see how it plays out,
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I love this story. This is beautiful here.
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So, the Cincinnati Bengals made news earlier this week. They
there were reports that they're planning on possibly using the
franchise tag on t Higgins again, their wide receiver. The
report was they would love to sign long term extensions
for Jamar Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson, but if
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they're unable to come to terms with t Higgins, they
might use the old franchise tag yet again, and so
t higgins mom sent to tweet shortly after this news breaks,
Camilla Stewart, that's the Higgins' mom, she posted on X
selfish Bastards. Now here's the twist. It seems pretty obvious
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who she's talking about, but she claims it's not about
the Bengals, not about the Cincinnati Bengals. There were several
fans that asked for confirmation, like it was this about
the Bengals and she didn't specify who she was angry at. Okay, okay,
(35:35):
let's try to do the math over here.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
What was it, Uber eats? Was that she got a
parking ticket?
Speaker 7 (35:39):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
It seems pretty likely that she's talking.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
About the Cincinnati Bengals, because I don't know why if
it's not the Bengals, why you wouldn't just set the
record straight? Oh yeah, it's uh yeah, man, it's uh.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It's uh it's this delivery service, you know, taxing me
and charging for automatic tips and that just no, can't
do that.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Why wouldn't you just put it out there?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
So it seems like it was about the Bengals and
she just wanted to walk it back and didn't want
to actually say it was about the Bengals. Who knows
what the real story was, but it sounds like T
higgins mom was upset at the Bengals, and I think
deservedly so, and then kind of walked it back. I
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think this too. We mentioned this yesterday. I'll just mention
it quickly. It was in with Jason Fitz and the
Bengals trying to sign these three players to long term extensions.
I think that's just too much devoted to two receivers
in today's NFL. If you signed Jamar Chase to a
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top end deal, I just don't think it makes sense
to also re sign T Higgins to a long term
extension when your defense was a hot mess last season.
I just don't think that approach works. You have such
rich wide receiver drafts consistently. T Higgins I think is
a special receiver. I think he's really good. I think
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he could be a legit number one receiver in the NFL.
But Joe Burrow is a special quarterback. I think it
makes a lot more sense to resign Jamar Chase long term.
You don't re sign T Higgins long term, and you
use that money to help the defense out, help the
rest of the roster out. Look to the draft, go
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cheap for a number two receiver. I just think that's
too much money devoted to wide receivers. So that's what
they say they're going to try to do. I have
a hard time seeing all three of those guys get
signed to long term agreements. Maybe two, but all three.
I'd be shocked if all three get signed. Let me
go to Twitter here, a couple of people checking in.
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You're more than welcome at the no show is where
you can find me. Big Max shout out to him,
says condolences on the loss of your uncle Brian. And
they shifted it to Chiefs fan here, and I'll say
that Mahomes is the best overall quarterback, but far from
the best runner or passer. He has X factor because
of his competitiveness. Well, here's the first part. You'll hear
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all these lists in the NFL offseason. It's just a
matter of time until we get to the quarterback lists.
We don't have to go through the top ten. Does
your quarterback list begin with Patrick Mahomes because mine does.
I still think he's the best quarterback in football. He's
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got three super Bowl rings and two MVPs not even.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know he's an outstanding talent. I don't know what
happened against the Eagles. He was drunk in that first half.
That was an out of body experience. But I'm not
dropping him out of number one. If not Mahomes, who
who's your guy? Who? Who do you think is the
number one quarterback? Like chances are he doesn't have a
super Bowl ring? Right Burrow, Josh Allen Lamar. A lot
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of people love Lamar, Like, I'm not putting any of
those guys above Patrick Mahomes, not right now. So yeah,
I think it's recency bias. He stunk it up, but
I still think he's the top dog. Peter checked in.
He's quoting me how many times the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Beat oka S this season? Obviously I misspoke.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I like it. This guy followed me just to say,
what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
No?
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Good stuff, good, nice, valuable? Hey that happens, man, I'm sorry,
I don't know what it's like. You're thinking of your
next thought and you screwed up and say the wrong
person or the wrong thing.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
You know what I mean? Stop being a jackass.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Matt checked in, Hey, Brian, thanks for hosting on Fox
Sports Radio. Who do you think will be the seven
or eight NFL head coaches that'll be on the hot
seat next year?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Thanks Matt and sc. Yeah, I think that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I'd like I'll get to that in the next hour
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the hot seat, and also good news for some no
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should be so. Kevin Durant, still of the Phoenix Suns,
was not traded at the deadline.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
He gave some reasons as to why.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'll get to that momentarily, but what stood out most
he did a sit down interview with Malika Andrews of ESPN.
This is for NBA today, And so Malika asked him
a number of questions and one of them was about legacy.
And I thought it stood out what KD had to
say about, Hey, what do you want your legacy to be?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
What do you want people to think of?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
That sort of thing, because I would assume most would
expect to hear something similar than what KD said.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Kd's not a guy that's oh.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, I want you to think of one of
the ten best basketball players who was an elite scored right, Like,
that's really not KD.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Listen to how he answers this question here. Maybe with
the legacy you want to leave on the game.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Many people say, Kevin Durant, you're one of e greats?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
What do you want people to say?
Speaker 6 (02:02):
I just want you to expect the game that you know.
I want you to have fun watching my game because
if you pull up footage, you know, twenty years from now,
I want you to really enjoy those three or four
minutes you're watching me play. And hopefully when they look
at me, they can see that somebody who has a
crowke mindset, who's been expanding his game since day one.
You know, somebody want to be looked at as a worker,
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to be honest, somebody that's going to come in there
and do what's required to help the team. Everything else
after that is it is just icing on top.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, So KD is basically like I just I just
want you to have fun when you watch my clips
on YouTube for three or four minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Like that really is KD.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
KD is not one of these things like I want
to be known as h one of the greatest scoring
you know, guys in the in the NBA, in the history,
and I want you to think of me as.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Not a ring chaser.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But he doesn't think like that. He's like, I just
want you to respect my game and fun when you
watch me play. That's good enough. Everything else is just
cake after that, right, And what stands out to me
is we're not all motivated by the same things. And
that's really important to keep in mind because for a while,
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that's all it was was just legacy, legacy, legacy. What
do you want your legacy to be? What do you
think this guy's legacy will be?
Speaker 7 (03:22):
What?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
What?
Speaker 8 (03:22):
What?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Blah blah blah blah, Where do you think they rank
in history? All that type of stuff, and It's important
to remember that not everybody is motivated by that same thing.
Remember Mike Tyson. This was back in November, but Mike Tyson,
he was being interviewed. This is from Jazzy's World TV,
but you might remember him talking about legacy. Here's Tyson
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on legacy.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
What type of legacy would you like to leave behind
when it's all.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Set and done.
Speaker 9 (03:50):
Well, I don't know. I don't believe in the word legacy.
I think that's another word for ego. Legacy doesn't mean nothing.
That's just some word everybody grabbed on to. Someone said
that they were grabbed doing the words, and I was
used every five seconds. It means absolutely nothing to me.
I'm just passing through. I'm gonna die and it's gonna
be over. Who cared about legacy after that?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Like Tyson didn't care at all, does not care at all.
So some athletes do. Lebron would be an athlete that
cares about legacy, no doubt about that. You remember a
few years ago where he was saying, yeah, well that
three to one comeback against the Warriors. I said to myself,
that made you the goat right there, that made you
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the goat. Like Lebron obviously cares about his legacy and
his standing among the greats in NBA history, and that's fine. Like,
I think it's just personal preference. But there's no hard
fast rule that everybody follows where every athlete is motivated
by legacy. I think that I think that this is
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a common thing for either fans uh sports talk radio.
The legacy thing has been a big bi thing. We
were just talking about this with Mahomes. This was before
the last Super Bowl. There were a lot of people saying, Hey,
if he beats the Eagles, he'll already be the goat,
And I'm like, what, what, what's the rush? Like, we're
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just trying to I don't know, it's like an old
cassette tape deck. This is probably really let's go with CDs.
It's not as outdated like like you organize your CDs
in alphabetical or I got a okay, let's see, uh,
let me see uh where's the B section? Let me
see there we put a let me put you know,
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Backstreet Boys above blind Melon, Like, okay, let me have
that straight.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
That wouldn't be my personal CD collection, just so you know.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
But right, it's like we want to organize all these
athletes in order legacy wise, and I just don't understand
one what the ultimate fascination with that is and two,
more importantly, like.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
What's the rush.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It made no sense to me to talk about mahomes
legacy when he's not even thirty years old.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
It didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And my thought at the time was, even if Mahomes
wins the super Bowl, like Brady still has three more
super Bowls, he still has a head to head Super
Bowl wins, still has a head to head AFC title
game win in arrowhead, he still has all the individual numbers,
all that stuff. It's all like Mahomes would be on
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track to be the Goat, but he wouldn't already be
if he beat the Eagles. But the point is bigger
than that. Just debate the little you know zoomed in
debate is if you zoom out, and it's this whole
fascination with legacy. Fans are all about legacy. Sports radio
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is all about legacy. And it's important to remember that
a couple of athletes like Kevin Durant and Mike Tyson,
they really don't care about their legacy. Like so not
everybody approaches things thinking of that, and if you look
at Kd's career, it's absolutely played out that way. If
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KD was all about man legacy, what am I going
to be known for? How am I going to be remembered?
He probably would have stayed in Golden State. He had
won back to back titles, was Finals MVP in both
of those years. Now you could point out a lot
of people looked at him as jumping on the bandwagon,
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and these are somewhat fake championships. Some people looked at
it like that, and so you could you could make
a counter argument and say, well, that's what did motivate
him to go elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I would look at it and say, if it one
was legacy, he might not have gone to Golden State
in the first place. He might have stayed at OKAC
and thought, hey, winning a ring here would mean more
than winning a ring there. But he didn't think like that.
He doesn't think about legacy. And then I would also
argue if he did care about legacy and he somehow
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ended up in Golden State, he might have stayed there.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
He had a great thing going.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
He's got Steph Curry, Draymond clay As, teammates, there's stack
and chips. You know, he might have stayed, but he didn't.
He's not motivated by that. The other thing that stands
out to me about KD is what could have been.
It's funny to me that KD doesn't care about legacy
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that much, certainly not as much as some other players
and athletes do. He's just not motivated by that the
same way. But what almost was for him and his legacy,
whether he cares about it or not, it would have
been so much greater if in twenty twenty one he
was able to win a championship. And I just I
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can't help but go back to that year where remember
he was with the Brooklyn Nets and his toe was
on the line. We thought that he hit a three
pointer with a second to go to give the Nets
a lead against the Bucks in Game seven of the
semi finals there in the East.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Think of that was a three.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Really, just think about that and how things realistically could
have played out, and what it would have meant for
Kd's stature and legacy and all that type of stuff.
Where if he hits what probably would have been a
game winning three, he scored forty eight points that game.
Now it was a two, the game went to overtime.
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The Nets lost that game. But if that's a three,
I don't know how many points he scored in overtime.
So let's say you scored about forty some points something
like that and hit a game winning shot, a three,
a dramatic three with the second to go in Game
seven against the Bucks. The next series they would have
faced the Hawks. The Hawks were a five seed that year.
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That would have been your Eastern Conference Finals matchup in
twenty twenty one. It would have been the Nets in
the Hawks, and then if the Nets survived that they
get the Suns.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Brooklyn might have won that series.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And remember earlier where Kevin Durant was sensational against the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Kyrie was hurt. Kyrie sprained his ankle.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
He stepped on Giannis's foot in Game three, It's like
the second quarter. So Kyrie Irving missed the final like
four and a half games in that series, and James
Harden was gimpy. James Harden had a hammy that he
was working through. It was Kadi putting the Nets on
his back and they were a toe away from most
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likely moving on to the Eastern Conference Finals. Facing a
five seed, probably being in the NBA Finals, and who
knows what happens there. Maybe Kyrie Irving is back by
that time, maybe the beard is a little healthier. Maybe
Kevin Durant is still absolutely falling, just doing work. Think
about how we would talk about KD right now if
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they want to title that season, and that would have
changed everything. And fortunately for KD it didn't work out
that way. And unfortunately a lot of people just talk
endless trash about KD, his full body of work, his legacy,
and I don't think he celebrated nearly as much as
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he deserves. But it's just funny to me. Maybe, you know,
I don't know. I don't know the answer to this.
Maybe the negativity just drove KD to be like, dude,
you guys this again with the legacy, tuck Man, I'm
just so over It's possibleossible he thought like that. But
my guess is that KD was somewhat wired that way,
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and maybe the negativity took it to the next level.
But I don't think it was solely fueled by that,
because if KD were completely motivated by legacy, I don't
know that he goes to Golden State in the first place,
he might stick it out in No KC because he
would know. Kd's a smart dude. He knows what the
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backlash was going to be. He was leaving OKC, they
had a three to one series lead against Golden State
in the Western Conference Finals the year before he joined
Golden State, so they had a three to one.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Lead and they lost.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
So he's not only joining a super team, he's joining
a super team that just beat him and had a
three to one comeback.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
He knows what's gonna come.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
He knows that people aren't gonna be like, hey, thumbs up, KD.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Smart move man, hope it works out.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He knows it's not gonna be like that, and he
still went there because I just don't think he's motivated
by legacy, but I think the negativity could have taken
it a step further in his mind. But I think
that the decisions that he's made throughout his career, going
to Golden State, leaving Golden State to team up with
Kyrie and Brooklyn, right like, I think k D just
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wants to have fun hoopin', which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
You could argue not the greatest thing for your legacy.
But if you're not motivated by that, it does explain
some of the moves that he's made throughout the years.
So if you're basically like, what do you want your
legacy to be, and you're like, I just want you
to have fun watching my YouTube highlights for those three
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or four minutes, that's really what I want.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's fine. I'm not saying it's wrong at all.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's just an important reminder that not everybody is motivated
by the same things. I think fans missed that quite
a bit because we're all of legacy, like who's better
than who, who's top five, who's top ten, who's.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Number one who?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
That's a lot of it is that, And for an
athlete to be like, yeah, I don't really care about that,
that's basically what KD is telling you. Yeah, just that
fun watching my highlights. That's good enough for me. Like,
we spend a lot of time trying to dissect and
understand why an athlete like KD makes some of the
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decisions that he's made throughout his career, and we're like,
this just doesn't make any sense. If he's thinking about
his legacy, well, that's the answer. He's not he's not
thinking about his legacy. He's motivated by other things. And
so I think that sometimes you only look at it
one way where you're like, why would an athlete not
be motivated by legacy? That just doesn't make sense. A
(14:49):
lot of fans think that way, and you know, it's
a dose of reality to.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Be like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You you actually want something else, which, hey, man, not
everybody's motivated by the same stuff. We're different people, we
have different interests, we have different goals. So to assume
that everybody's just motivated by the same thing, that's not
necessarily true. They'd be like assuming everybody in like the
non sports world, whatever your profession happens to be, you're
(15:22):
a lawyer, you work at a factory, you work at
a gas that, whatever you do, we're all motivated by
the same thing money all.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Not everybody is.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Some people just want to make some money and have
a good work life balance. We're not all motivated by
the same thing. It's the same thing in the sports world.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
So KD.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Not exactly the perfect example of an athlete completely consumed
and motivated by legacy, which I think is totally fine,
but it's important to understand that. And so that sit
down with Maliku was pretty good, pretty good stuff, some
revealing answers. Nice all right, eight seven, seven ninety nine
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(17:20):
can't tell sometimes Lorena had you can tell she works
with Ben Maller, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I mean this affects that it's not a dis whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
But you know, you guys will say things at times,
and most times I can tell that there's like kind
of like a dimple in your cheek. You know, you're
being sarcastic or you're just saying something that's that's a joke,
but you might deliver it in a way every now
and then where it's like I'm not completely sure.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, right, is that fair?
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Coop?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Right?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And so, uh, Lorena just told me she's playing Pink
Pony Club right, which is a great song, And she's like, oh,
Coop loves this song. Coop thinks it's a banger, which
he might. But I don't know if she's like being
serious or just joke.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
She telling me the truth her? Coopy? It's a great song.
Speaker 10 (18:15):
Yeah, you should see him in this chair over here.
He turned with the look on his face and he
was mouthing along.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
He lot she she performed that during the Grammys.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
You check that out?
Speaker 11 (18:28):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's when I was watched it
and I was like, wow, okay, Like damn, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Do you know if she was actually singing that song?
Speaker 7 (18:36):
I don't know. I think those are her real vocals.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yes, I'm not sure. Like the performance the Grammys thing.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
I think the Grammys have to be live, right.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I don't I wasn't convinced, not convinced. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I'd have to look at it a little bit closer.
I'm noticing myself. Here's my thing. You tell me if
I'm just being crabby or if I have a la
to stand on here. I want to see you perform.
I want to hear you sing. I want to hear
what you sound like lives.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
That's what I want.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
When I can tell immediately that it's just a recording,
I don't care. I immediately don't care. I don't care.
If your choreography is great and you're dancing is I
don't care. I want to hear how you sound, whether
you're playing an instrument, whether you're singing, whether you're rapping.
Kendrick Lamar's got a lot of songs I like. And
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I know there was some people that didn't care for
the halftime show whatever.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
The only thing I didn't like about it he wasn't he.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Wasn't rapping live. You can tell he's not saying actual words.
And I'm just like, he's a great performer. Why don't
you just let him perform? It makes no sense to me.
And I know that sometimes it's hard and the ear
piece and to be on you know, to hear everything.
But it's a concert. These guys are in concert all
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the time, right and they're performing live. Why would you
not let them perform live? That's what they do. It's
a weird thing to me. But like All Star Weekend,
a lot of people bashed it. But one thing about
what is it? Leangelo Ball he performed a song live.
(20:20):
You can tell it's absolutely live, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
And Sweedi performed there too. She also was very live
and her breath work was wonderful.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
See, I would much prefer a live performance, like truly
live performance that's a little off, maybe a little pitchy
at times, you know, I prefer the real thing than
just a recording.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
No, Okay, when I was watching those performances the other day,
I was thinking to myself, do you think the NBA
is going to put that into every game to try
and draw more of an appeal, like have big stars
perform at every game?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
So what like what in the middle of the game.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, we just take a time out, you go through
the third quarter and impossible.
Speaker 11 (21:04):
No, there's too many games. I mean that happens at
like the Raiders. They every like every game that I've
been to at the Raiders Stadium, at halftime, there's a
big name performing there. And I'm sure that has something
to do with the fact that they're in Vegas. But
I mean the first time, the first game I went,
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there was three six of Mafia at halftime.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Nice.
Speaker 11 (21:27):
Yeah, yeah, the second one was Sammy Hagar.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
So it's pretty cool. So it's a good idea.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
But just to follow up, I did some research and
the Grammys do not allow their performers to lip sync.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
No kidding, I told you.
Speaker 11 (21:46):
They do have what they call track augmentation, which might
involve pro tools or some other kind of playbacks, but.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Sounds like a fancy way of saying sinking like sing
under the track.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
I think it's more like a sing under the track.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
You have assistance, you have audio.
Speaker 11 (22:05):
Assistance, or certain or certain parts of the song that
are like, you know, like backing vocals.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, I was convinced the guitarist was not playing guitar
during that song.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Either, you're gonna make me watch this so close.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Convinced it just didn't look realistic, like she was just
close to the notes, very close. But it just it
didn't I wasn't convinced she was playing that live. I
put it that way. I could be dead wrong, I
don't know, but it did not seem like it was live.
But how do you guys feel about that? Like, I
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love a lot of different genres of music.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You guys know me.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I love metal, but I love a lot of stuff
outside of metal. I'm way more eclectic than you might think.
Like Shakiro, you.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Seem like a one type of thing, kind of guy. Bruh.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I love who Let the Dogs Out? That screams a
thick lareda good lord, you know. But Shakira, Shakira's got
some great songs. It was during COPA America. It's obviously
a lip syncing performance. It's not even close to being live.
And I'm just tuned out, man, I'm like over the
(23:16):
Olympics right the opening ceremonies there were a lot of
lip syncing acts going on there.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I just you guys are okay with that. It's like,
so I.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Mostly feel the way that you do, and I ate it.
Speaker 11 (23:27):
And I had most of my life thought like, I
would rather you sound kind of bad yeah than lip
sync because I just I just you know, it's part
of like, what's the difference then of you just going
up and turning on the studio album at the at
full volume, you know, in your living room. That being said, though,
(23:51):
I am recalling one specific time. So I've seen Rush
like five times.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Live, okay, yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
And the last one that I saw.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, Geddy Lee's voice, Yeah.
Speaker 11 (24:09):
Gedty was just just couldn't do it anymore. And I
remember thinking, when I was sitting watching that concert, I
would almost rather him lip.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Syncing was that bad.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
It was just it was hard for me to get into.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
It, you know, sure, yeah, no, I hear you, But
that's when it's time to call it.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Yeah. To me, it's that like and they and they
did call it shortly.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah after that, Yeah, I would rather you go down
in a blaze of glory than like, all right, let's
start lip syncing. That's just lame, just lame. So no,
not a fan, not a fan when it comes to that.
But I I don't know what it is.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Like.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I'll sort of look for it and be like, yeah,
I'm wondering. You see this sometimes with fights. How many
times if you've seen either boxing MMA, the fighter will
be walking to you know, to go to go fight,
and someone will be walking with them, and it's as
if they're performing live and they're clearly oh yeah, performing live.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I hate that. It's like, what are we doing? This
is stupid? And some of these are great performers. Just
let them perform.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't I don't understand the thinking because I don't
think it comes from the artist. I don't think the
artists would just shy away and say, oh what if
I mess up? Some of these artists have ultimate confidence.
I think it comes from the other people surrounding it, like, oh,
let's ah, they talk them into it. I think that
happens more times than not. It's just dumb. I would
(25:47):
insist on it if I was like this, this world
class like a musician entertainer like, and I'm gonna be
on a big stage. There's no way I would set
up for lip syncing. I'm like, I'm gonna do what
I do. You know, forget about this lip syncing stuff.
It's just become way too common. Okay, rant over, Sorry,
(26:08):
let me give you this interesting development with robot umpires.
So it's coming to spring. Over sixty percent of spring
spring training games is going to feature the ball strike challenges,
which is a weird number. Over sixty percent of these
(26:29):
games in spring training, so they're like, ah, Blue Jays oreos,
who cares no automatic paws and strikes. So this could
be fully implemented in Major League Baseball when the regular season,
like the real games, roll around as early as twenty
twenty six. So first things first, MLB is sort of
(26:51):
moved away from classifying it as robot umpires. That, by
the way, is the worst description for this of all time,
because I like many people thought that real human umpires
are being replaced by I don't know, robot umpires, right,
(27:15):
like hence the name. And this was Rob Manford on
the DP Show a while ago, and he's like, oh, no, no,
it's not that at all. This is kind of important
to be on the same page as MLB.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
I get emails from fans regularly saying, you know, why
do you want to have.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
A robot umpire. Well, we're not going to have a
robot umpire. We're gonna have an earpiece in an umpire's ear.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Oh okay, so that that changes things.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So why in the holy hell are you calling it
robot umpires?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Since that time, they've sort of shifted to abs and
that is not anti locked brakes, not that it is
all automated ball strike challenge system.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Again, could not be more baseball.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And I listen, I loved baseball in my youth.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I still greatly enjoyed baseball.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I've said I've fallen out of love with the game
as a whole over the years, but I still I
still like baseball a lot. But this could not be
more baseball. Automated automated ball strike challenge system. Compare that
to the NFL. Okay, the NFL, they might expand replay
(28:36):
a little bit and might include hits to the head
of a quarterback in the pocket, right like if well,
everybody loves to bash the Chiefs in the favorable calls.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
But if Mahomes is in the pocket and he gets.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Hitting the head kind of like he did in the
Super Bowl and there was no call whatsoever, they could
review it and be like, oh, he actually got hit
in the head. It's not a fumble on that play. Right,
They're not going to call that the automated hit to
the head challenge system. They're not gonna do that. They're
(29:11):
just gonna They're just gonna call it replay, you know.
Or this is a little bit different than a challengeable call.
It's replay assist. That's what they pretty easy to digest, right,
It's either replay or it's replay assist.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
This is what we have.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I don't know why Baseball this is just called this
automated ball strike challenge system. Crazy idea. Just call it replay.
Let's call it that. It's exactly what it is. It
doesn't need to be robot umpires, it doesn't need to
need to be automated ball strike challenge system. It's this
is a terrible description.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
It's horrible.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Now what it means for the game. I'll be honest
with you. I just gotta see it. I gotta see
it to know if I like it or not. I
think that's fair. I mean, in theory, I'm okay with it.
The way it works is both teams get two challenges,
and if your challenge is right, you keep your challenges.
(30:12):
So I don't know all of the fine print.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Let's say you get your two challenges right, do you
still do you have like an unlimited amount of challenges.
I don't know if you get everything right, what the
max amount of challenges would be.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I don't know that. And I don't know how quick
this is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I know that either the pitcher, the hitter or the
catcher can call for a pitch to be reviewed. They're
gonna show it on the like the big screen.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And if it's like Tennis, I'm all in.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
If this is a big pitch, you know it's a
three to two count, we're getting late bottom of the
eighth inning, key moment in the game called strike three,
and the hitters like, dude, that was outside, challenge that
and they show it pretty fast, kind of like Tennis,
like and that pitch was outside, he was right, ball four, walk,
(31:07):
take your base. If it's quick like that, I'm fine
with it. Let's get the calls right. You have to
find the middle ground of you're not getting every single
call right, but at first you have this challenge system
can challenge a few here and there. My question is
also not only how quick is it? How does it work?
(31:29):
How's the flow of the game? Does it fit? It's
like where does it go? Because you know as well
as I do. As soon as they start walking down
this road and they're like, all right, we'll give you
two challenges and maybe a bonus challenge if you're right
with your other two, or maybe you get like four
max or whatever, they're gonna start saying, well, why do
we only have this limited number? Why don't why don't
(31:52):
we have like ten, Why don't we have unlimited? So
when it gets to that point, I don't know. I'll
be honest with you, I don't know if I'm going
to like it or not. I think I will, but
I actually have to see it because it is. I'll
give you an example basketball college basketball. If somebody said, hey,
you could review goaltending calls. You can review some inbounds
(32:17):
like who's it off of type calls? There are limited things.
Would you be in favor of this? I'd be like, yeah,
I'm in favor of that, but the way it's implemented
and the way it actually plays out where they're like, yeah,
I'm pretty sure it was off of Xavior because there
weren't any Miami of Ohio players in the near vicinity.
But let's just make sure, and let's take five minutes
(32:38):
making it's so bad. So I need to see it
to fully give you an answer. My prediction is I'll
like it, but I don't know if that's how I'll
feel about it. I do know this, the names are atrocious.
Robot umpires could not be more misleading. You're like, oh, shoot,
you got robot umpire. No, no, no, we just have an
(33:01):
earpiece in the human umpire's ear. Oh okay, well, I
don't know why you would call it robot umpires though.
That's pretty stupid. Now it's automated ball Strike Challenge System.
Now I hate those names. I do know that I
hate those names. But the actual challenge system, I don't know.
Could be a big fan of this. I like it
in theory, just have to see how it plays out,
(33:23):
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no show spelled noe. I gotta get to a couple
of tweets here in a second. Also this this, I
absolutely love this NFL story. It sounds made up, but
(33:46):
it's completely real and it's absolutely funny. I'll share it
with you coming up. It's two Pros and a Cup
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Speaker 4 (34:20):
I love this story. This is beautiful here.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
So, the Cincinnati Bengals made news earlier this week. They
there were reports that they're planning on possibly using the
franchise tag on t Higgins again, their wide receiver. The
report was they would love to sign long term extensions
for Jamar Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson, but if
(34:46):
they're unable to come to terms with t Higgins, they
might use the old franchise tag yet again, and so
t higgins mom sent to tweet shortly after this news breaks,
Camilla Stewart, that's the Higgins' mom, she posted on X
selfish Bastards. Now here's the twist. It seems pretty obvious
(35:12):
who she's talking about, but she claims it's not about
the Bengals, not about the Cincinnati Bengals. There were several
fans that asked for confirmation, like it was this about
the Bengals and she didn't specify who she was angry at. Okay, okay,
(35:35):
let's try to do the math over here.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
What was it, Uber eats? Was that she got a
parking ticket?
Speaker 7 (35:39):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
It seems pretty likely that she's talking.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
About the Cincinnati Bengals, because I don't know why if
it's not the Bengals, why you wouldn't just set the
record straight? Oh yeah, it's uh yeah, man, it's uh.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It's uh it's this delivery service, you know, taxing me
and charging for automatic tips and that just no, can't
do that.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Why wouldn't you just put it out there?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
So it seems like it was about the Bengals and
she just wanted to walk it back and didn't want
to actually say it was about the Bengals. Who knows
what the real story was, but it sounds like T
higgins mom was upset at the Bengals, and I think
deservedly so, and then kind of walked it back. I
(36:29):
think this too. We mentioned this yesterday. I'll just mention
it quickly. It was in with Jason Fitz and the
Bengals trying to sign these three players to long term extensions.
I think that's just too much devoted to two receivers
in today's NFL. If you signed Jamar Chase to a
(36:49):
top end deal, I just don't think it makes sense
to also re sign T Higgins to a long term
extension when your defense was a hot mess last season.
I just don't think that approach works. You have such
rich wide receiver drafts consistently. T Higgins I think is
a special receiver. I think he's really good. I think
(37:11):
he could be a legit number one receiver in the NFL.
But Joe Burrow is a special quarterback. I think it
makes a lot more sense to resign Jamar Chase long term.
You don't re sign T Higgins long term, and you
use that money to help the defense out, help the
rest of the roster out. Look to the draft, go
(37:32):
cheap for a number two receiver. I just think that's
too much money devoted to wide receivers. So that's what
they say they're going to try to do. I have
a hard time seeing all three of those guys get
signed to long term agreements. Maybe two, but all three.
I'd be shocked if all three get signed. Let me
go to Twitter here, a couple of people checking in.
(37:54):
You're more than welcome at the no show is where
you can find me. Big Max shout out to him,
says condolences on the loss of your uncle Brian. And
they shifted it to Chiefs fan here, and I'll say
that Mahomes is the best overall quarterback, but far from
the best runner or passer. He has X factor because
of his competitiveness. Well, here's the first part. You'll hear
(38:19):
all these lists in the NFL offseason. It's just a
matter of time until we get to the quarterback lists.
We don't have to go through the top ten. Does
your quarterback list begin with Patrick Mahomes because mine does.
I still think he's the best quarterback in football. He's
(38:41):
got three super Bowl rings and two MVPs not even.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know he's an outstanding talent. I don't know what
happened against the Eagles. He was drunk in that first half.
That was an out of body experience. But I'm not
dropping him out of number one. If not Mahomes, who
who's your guy? Who? Who do you think is the
number one quarterback? Like chances are he doesn't have a
super Bowl ring? Right Burrow, Josh Allen Lamar. A lot
(39:10):
of people love Lamar, Like, I'm not putting any of
those guys above Patrick Mahomes, not right now. So yeah,
I think it's recency bias. He stunk it up, but
I still think he's the top dog. Peter checked in.
He's quoting me how many times the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Beat oka S this season? Obviously I misspoke.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I like it. This guy followed me just to say,
what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Good stuff, good, nice, valuable? Hey that happens, man, I'm sorry,
I don't know what it's like. You're thinking of your
next thought and you screwed up and say the wrong
person or the wrong thing.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
You know what I mean? Stop being a jackass.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Matt checked in, Hey, Brian, thanks for hosting on Fox
Sports Radio. Who do you think will be the seven
or eight NFL head coaches that'll be on the hot
seat next year?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Thanks Matt and sc. Yeah, I think that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I'd like I'll get to that in the next hour
because there are definitely some guys who are candidates for
the hot seat, and also good news for some no
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