March 20, 2025 • 40 mins
Aaron Rodgers is at the bar with the Vikings, Steelers and Giants, but who’s taking him home? NFL Rule Change Proposals including banning the tush-push, extending overtime and reseeding the playoffs based on record over divisions.
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thing that has swept the nation, one thing that has
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swept the nation here on Fox Sports Radio and others is, uh,
what the hell's going on? What the hell's going on?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Just running rogue? All right?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
So the Aaron Rodgers' latest apparently he's in quote unquote
no rush at all to make a decision, and you know,
he's just kind of after finding out that the Minnesota
Vikings are apparently going to be moving on to JJ McCarthy,
they're still looking at a veteran from the Rogers standpoint,
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he's just kind of waiting around, according to reports, and
not really in any sort of a rush or hurry
now to figure out where he lands. And obviously the
Steelers and the Giants have been speculated and rumored, but
that is the latest on the Aaron Rodgers front when
it comes to his interest and taking another look at
this whole thing. So I don't know how that lands
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with anybody, but it feels to me like he had
a preference. Maybe that preference and that door is still
open and you know, the Giants and the Steelers can
wait a little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Is this a conflicting report from schefter compared to what
was said after the season?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I thought after the season or maybe the.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Super Bowl, there was a report that came out that
he wasn't gonna wait, he was gonna make a decision
sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Am I mistaken for that?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
No?
Speaker 5 (03:35):
That was and that was the Was it the Jets
who also said it or somebody said, yeah, that it
was going to be that it wasn't going to drag out?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Was well, the Jets did drag it out, right?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Or was that his decision just to play? In general?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
That might have been the play. Okay, I think it
was the play. But but the Jets did not drag
it out. You know, they came in and they got
their new coach, the new coach, you know, talk to
them that it came out that they were saying, you know,
what they were expecting of them, and then they released them,
you know, and which you're giving a guy the opportunity
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to test the market out at the beginning, which is
to me, in some ways a lot of ways, that's admirable,
you know, for for a team to do that, because
they could be petty and hold on to you and say, well,
we're gonna wait dad, this and that and the other,
and they could wait until you know, you get to
a point of where you know, those roster spots are
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are filled up. And and so he's had the opportunity
to have multiple several conversations. It sounds like uh with
with teams about the possibility of playing. But again, like
I said, I go back to this, if the two
things that you're saying are one, I want to play
for Minnesota and two if I'm not, if I'm not
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doing that, I might possibly retire. I'm just telling you,
and I'm a double down on it. When a player
starts saying retirement like that's a part of the options
that they're they're putting out there. They're already close to retiring,
and do you want that on your team. Guys that
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are close to retirement handle things much differently than guys
that are still trying to play. It's just known. It's
just natural. You're almost done, like you're at the end,
Like you handle things in a way where something that
might have mattered more before it doesn't matter as much now,
you know, and even your approach may be a little
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bit different. Maybe you know, maybe it isn't. For some
they just work hard, they do what they need to do,
and it is what it is. Some people that, I mean,
you're already thinking about what you're going to do post
career more more intensely. So to me, that's a red flag.
It's a red flag if I'm not Minnesota, and it's
a red flag if you're saying retirement. And so if
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I'm one of these other teams, I really am measuring
out seriously, if I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers, do you want
to bring in Aaron Rodgers and deal with what comes
with Aaron Rodgers? Especially the longer the drags out. If
it doesn't work out, you have a lot of scrutiny
and a lot of criticism come in your way because
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you know what, the first thing the media is going
to say, he didn't even want to be here anyway,
and he was close to retirement New York Gimes. I
don't know how much that matters because they're not really
been very very competitive. But you're going back into the
same media market if you're Aaron Rodgers, and that could
be problematic.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well in your house is still there and all that,
Maybe that plays a factor.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Maybe I do have some questions though, you know, for starters,
does the waiting game ultimately tell him which team really
wants him because they waited?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Like does that factor in? You know?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I I it just it.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Seems like the decision should be He's somewhat easy to
make at this point. But maybe it's not for this
reason because you know, if you go back to last year,
did we expect the Atlanta Falcons to take Michael Pennox
after they signed Kirk Cousins to a one hundred million.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Dollar guaranteed deal.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh that was a surprise.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
So I wonder if he's looking at the Giants who
are in striking distance of a quarterback, or even you
say we want to without the Steelers, you know they're
drafting what twenty first whatever it is, you know, or
you know they could still have a team drop to them.
Or excuse me, a quarterback drop to them and where
they surprise him and it's like, here we go again.
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Maybe there's an element of him saying, hey, if I'm
going to be here, I want to make sure that
I'm not worried about like things not going well, and
then saying, well, let's put the young guy in. Or
I don't want to have to worry about being a
mentor to a young guy. I just want to be
here when I play, try to win a super Bowl,
and that's how I want to finish my career.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Why would be where would that place exist? I don't
think that exists anywhere you're going to you're ultimately looking
to replace Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
How long are you going to have them? Sure?
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Sure, But that's on that that's on the organization to
make right, Like you can question whatever organization that is.
That could be Pittsburgh, could be Norrick whoever I'm talking from,
I'm talking from Rogers perspective. You know, is he waiting
because he doesn't want to get with a team that
then's going to draft a guy and then he's like, well,
here we go again. Right, So that's that's one question.
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Maybe it's that's one of the reasons why it's taking
this long. And then maybe he's just not sure if
he wants to do this, Like I do wonder about
the toll that the Jets past two seasons have taken
on him. Are there elements of not wanting to to
taint like his experience with football, you know, and and
say like I don't want to feel negative about it
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because of how things ended. You know, it's it's so
much easier to end on top when you're John Elway,
where you went back to back Super Bowls and you
can right off into the sunset, and when you come
back to the sport, you can do it in an
executive capacity.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Another kick to the nuts is, you know, apparently there's
not many TV networks who are interested in him, at
least based on reports we've seen.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I find that hard to believe, only because of you know.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
How obviously the Pat McAfee show is done with a
lot of those interviews that that Rogers has kind of
brought about. But you know, if you're looking at it
from that standpoint, you're saying, well, you know, maybe there's
not really a desire for that to go into the
TV realm.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
But wasn't he supposed to do Jeopardy?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Wasn't he supposed to be like a finalist for being
like the host of Jeopardy at the suit point?
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Sure, but that's kind of a different realm too, right,
Like you're not you're not doing football, you're doing more.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Sure, it's TV, but it's different.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
It's like, Okay, if I went from this time slot
was filled by someone who went from sports to politics,
you can say it's TV.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
They're kind of two different worlds though, right we're not
talking about.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Getting kicked in the nuts like we were the first segment,
you know, probably you know throughout the show.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You're talking about more serious toppings there.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
But again going back to the general point, like was
his time with New York so damaging that he looks
at it and says, I don't if I can't have
the perfect situation that I want to go to, and
maybe Minnesota was that I don't want to like, I
don't want to go into this, I mean, and I
also I also go back to the comment of yesterday
about how they said we're not interested and interested in
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him at this time. Once the thing that the Vikings
get through OTA's and Mini camp and they're watching McCarthy, they're.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Like, oh, hey, no, he's not ready. You know.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
I wonder that if they'd be willing to say, let's
bring Rogers in and see where things go from there.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And he might still be available at that point in time.
I just to me, I look at Aaron Rodgers, and
I say, if he's looking at it from the perspective
of I don't want somebody drafting a quarterback or anything
like that, that's that's a tad bit delusional, you know,
because how much more am I going to get out
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of you? I just don't know, Like you have to
have immediate contingency plan in play. If you're bringing Aaron
Rodgers in the first season with the Jets, he gets
a season ending injury. The second year with the Jets,
he has a pretty decent year, but then ends up
getting let go from the team. I mean, that's not
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the best two years to say, Okay, let's make a
major investment in this guy and let's see if we
can get like a three to four year runout of them.
I think that you're looking at it at face value.
We'll bring you in, see how you play. If you
can play out a high level and help our team.
That's great, but make no mistake about it. We are
looking towards the future for what it is that we're
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going to do, and that could be now, it could
be the present. If i'm Minnesota, I'm still looking at
JJ McCarthy, and I've already told you as much. We're
looking at JJ McCarthy to beat a guy. By our actions.
Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones gone both gone. You're not
clearing that out to somebody in to be the starter.
You're clearing that out for JJ McCarthy to be the starter.
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So if you're thinking that Minnesota is your perfect opportunity
to go be a starter, I think that you're misjudging
and mismeasuring what's taking place in Minnesota. Your best bet
is to go to Pittsburgh. That's your best bet because
that's the better team of the teams that you have
left outside of Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
So Kevin Seaffer of ESPN reported that the Vikings decision
is to give JJ McCarthy as many reps this spring
as possible, and if Aaron Rodgers is needed later for
some reason and is available, that he will be revisited.
And when I see that, I go that doesn't say elite.
That doesn't scream elite. Are I tell you that?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
But it also doesn't scream that they're totally confident that
he got time. It also doesn't scream that they're totally
confident in JJ McCarthy, because look, they according to reports,
there at least was an offer made to Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
According to reports, there was at least a decision.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Daniel Jones had to make because they did make him
an offer as well too. And now they've at the
very least had a conversation with Aaron Rodgers and would
be open to another conversation with him later. This sounds
to me like maybe there's some doubt about JJ McCarthy
as a whole, because that's three different times you had
an opportunity to just shut the door, and still the
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door's not shut.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I don't think it's one or the other though, right,
It's like, maybe you do have doubt and JJ McCarthy
in terms of what he may bring to the table,
because he hasn't done it, hasn't done anything yet, right,
But you're but you're also maybe having doubt on do
we bring in Aaron Rodgers. There could be I don't
think either one has one has to be true for
the other one to be true, or the other one.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
To be false. I think that it could be both.
This is a city who highlighted Prince. I mean, they're
very accept I mean of all sorts of different I'm just.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Saying, like, the Prince is amazing.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
I think Rogers can go and do whatever he wants
in the offseason and they'll be very accepting of him
coming to lead their team.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I just I think I think the Steelers is an
interesting scenario because they yeah, I heard him. I just
I just think they got to jump out there and
and declare like, either you want to be a stealer,
and I feel like it should go in the media
like what Hayward did, like either you want to come
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play for this team or you don't if you want
to keep measuring and weighing it out and waiting and this,
that and the other, like we're good, man, we're good.
We'll move on, we'll figure it out and go from there.
But you're already setting a tone. I just think that
Aaron Rodgers, if he's going to continue to play, he
has to be very careful of what the reputation that
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has kind of been created for him in some aspects,
which is that there's a lot that comes with having
Aaron Rodgers on your team. Where's a lot that comes
with dealing with Aaron Rodgers. You gotta you gotta be
mindful of that because this is now. You are now
in a.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Free agent pool.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Your talent is un you know, is undisputable, but dealing
with what comes along with the talent is disputable. And
to me, you got to be very careful on that.
Minnesota is the perfect spot. Kirk Cousins didn't get vexed.
I mean, jeez, so like, why wouldn't he wait around
for Minnesota? That to Brady's point, that is a very
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accepting city and a very accepting franchise.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Us as Minnesota hired a shaman yet, I mean, maybe
that would help entice things.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And then just I don't know, I think.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
They let them in with a camel, like, hey, listen yours.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
But the way the way LeVar is portraying this, it's
almost like Aaron's the low hanging fruit at the bar
at the end of the night and they're like, well,
I want to see how my prospects go with this
over here, and then it's like, uh, uh, kind, I'm
not really sure about this, but I know over at
the bar, I got the guaranteed thing. You know, that's
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just that call and he got called. That's what I'm saying.
You think Minnesota is gonna wait till the last call?
Is that you're saying here, that's what it looks like.
Is this and I'm really gonna do this situation?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah, it could be. No, it could be.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
It could do not compare Aaron Rodgers to It could
be going to do I'm really going to do this. Yeah,
come on, it could be that's not.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think I think he's signed by now. If if
he's not, everybody is.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
I know one team would have signed him right now
if he had made the decision.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But I'm talking about Minnesota. If you're looking at Minnesota
and you're saying, Minnesota's at the bar, and they're like
JJ McCarthy is the one that they're spending their money
on the.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Drinks for, Like Aaron. Aaron Rodgers came up and was like, hey, Hi,
you saw Aaron. Hey, I know you. Hey, how are
you doing good? All right? Go all right, keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
You know, at the end of the day, if JJ
McCarthy doesn't work out and doesn't pan out for them.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
You're looking around the bar.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Like dang, like uh oh oh, well you're still there
and you're alone, Like what's going on?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Like, let's talk about it? So what time are we taught?
Like if we're doing the bar analogy and we're doing
the comparison, like, is it what like around nine o'clock
right now? So it's not even close to closing time.
I have to make a call.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's got to be a little bit later than nine
o'clock maybe, Like I don't know when does the.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Club close thirty? The club closes at ten thirty?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Well, like the club closes it to where we at
on the clock when it comes to this situation for
Rogers that you got about two hours left, right, so
it's about eleven approaching eleven o'clock. Yeah, well it's a
lot of time. That's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Time, And that's why you still have the Steelers and
the Giant's still there.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Lee, it's a lot of time left in the bar.
That's why I'm thinking it's the opposite.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Wait, like Rodgers is trying to get the Vikings to
go home with them, trying to go home with the Vikings,
and if he's left in the dirt, then he's going
to go to New York.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, but he could have already done that.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
No, that's yeah, if you're well, that's the sure thing
that he could wait till two am and he'll still
be able to go to New York.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But I think the point is, I don't know that
that's true. I think the point is in this analogy
is that Aaron Rodgers isn't the guy at the bar
trying to pick up the person. It's the teams. It's
the teams that are are at the bar that are
looking at.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Aaron Rodgers more accurately portray this for everyone. Yeah, here's
the deals. Everyone's at the bar, all.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Right, everybody is at the bar, right, But.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
There the Giants are there and they're all looking, you know,
they're looking at what they got, and the Vikings are
looking at J. J.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
The Steelers don't have anything, so they're like, well, what
the hell I mean, We're we're looking squarely at Rogers,
waiting for him to make a decision, sitting at the
bar over in the corner, and the giants are sitting there,
and there's somewhere in the middle. You know, they're like
in the middle of there, near the dance floor. They're
near the bar, but they're sitting saying to themselves, well,
we could draft one, but we feel like we need
to win and we need a veteran in here, and
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if it's not Rogers, then we feel like there's maybe
a drop off to some of the other veterans, whether
you have to sign Russell or trade for for cousins.
So they're also iron Aaron Rodgers at the bar as well.
It's but that's the thing is Rogers' I in Minnesota,
you know, so he's kind of sitting there waiting to
Minnesota make their decision. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh's in the corner, you know,
the giants over by the dance fall. They're kind of flirting,
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you know, trying to figure out what the hell they
want to do. I mean, you got a whole entire,
you know, ordeal going on. I mean, this is kind
of like Bill Bellamy's How to Be a Player.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Meanwhile, it's yeah, Meanwhile, Russell Wilson's in the parking lot,
swiping on bumble, going come on, anybody in there.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Russ is at the bar too, but they're sitting there
on the dance floor.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
He's no, he's showing his moves. He's showing make sure
they see. Like what I still got it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I just felt like nobody's buying them drinks like he's
he's showing them his goodies. He had the bar, nobody's
behind drinks like, oh there go Russ.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Aaron Rodgers getting drinks. You know what I mean, he's
getting courted, but you know.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
He's getting some ynglings, Dan, He's getting stillers are sending
over some ynglings.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
The giants are setting them over some.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Uh you know, some some nice uh you know martinis.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And then you got Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I mean they've got some peote or something, and they're
just like, that're way to keep it for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I mean, if we are on that that analogy, though,
I mean, you got to think to yourself at some point,
if Minnesota is holding Aaron Rodgers' attention at the bar
for this amount of time while I'm sitting here trying
to buy you a drink and start conversation with you
and have a good conversation with you, and you don't want.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
To have it, do I walk away with hard feelings? Again?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
If I'm the city and I'm the fan base. I
don't want to be looking at the fact that we
brought Aaron Rodgers in as a late sloppy second, like
this is what we brought. If he plays well, it
plays out okay. Donald Sam Darnald was a sloppy second.
Sam Donald was brought in to be a backup. Though
this is a very different situation than when Sam Donald
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went to went to Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Minnesota's had a lot of sloppy seconds, whether it was
case Keenum, whether it was Josh Dobbs. For a minute,
it was circumstantial for Sam Donald to end up in
the situation that he ended up in. JJ McCarthy looked
as though he was going to end up being the
starting quarterback. It's an injury that that slowed down what
he was going to do. And the Minnesota Vikings, you
have a great year from Sam Donald, boom, unexpected, he
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raises his value, and now he's not there anymore. So
they clearly are looking at JJ McCarthy as that's who
they want to go with. So I think it's very
different circumstances surrounding Sam Donald being a sloppy second.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
He was, he was a second, he was he was
a backup. He was coming in to be a backup.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I just think it's good that people still meeting bars.
That that's that's just really good about this, do they Yeah,
I mean not everybody's, uh the way we're breaking it down,
not everybody's you know, going dating app route.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You know, so this is good. At some point we're
going to get a dating It's.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
More relatable, you know to people listening out there, right,
wouldn't you say that? I mean, Lee, you tell me,
you know you're well, maybe you're not out there dating.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I'm not really sure. No, Mary, I mean anyone.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
No, no, but I've been there, and you know now
it's definitely more relatable. We'll be on the apps, right,
is it. Well yeah, maybe not for you guys, but oh,
Mary said, gives the thumbs down.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
It's so easy.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Well, if Saron Rodgers is on a dating app, he
was swiping left, was a swipe left, swipe swipe right
or whatever he was swiping to the next person, if
it was the Steelers or the Giants, and then he
came to the Minnesota Vikings and he swiped the other
way or whatever it is. I don't know how that works,
but it's something to that effect, right, he's trying to
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choose Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
How great was it though when he woke up in
the morning and he saw that little bmoji?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Say, don't you got to wait for them to accept
that you chose that person that you were wiping on?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
So oh boy? But then you're also wondering which one
is it? What you're.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
You're like, Man, I did a lot of swiping last night.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Don't you want to get Like, don't you wonder what
you're really getting in real life?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Like?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And that's a lot of what is connected to Aaron Rodgers,
Like I'm gonna choose Aaron Rodgers. Boom you you accept it?
But what am I getting? Like when I see you
in person? Is am I getting a person that I
hope that was getting?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Right? And now how dating apps for.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It would be amazing.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
If you signed with the team and then immediately took
off on another trip, it was gone for that would
be all times.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
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Apparently things are progressing nicely for somebody, you know, things
are things are starting to starting to look up for
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somebody in the NFL when it comes to getting paid.
We'll have that discussion for you here on FSR. We've
got some proposals that are out some people that might
want to make some changes to the NFL. These proposals
are going to be voted on with the owners meet
coming up next week and so or about a week
and a half from now, they'll get together and they'll
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have these discussions. But some of the proposals are out there.
We've talked about the Green Bay Packers we can just
do these one at a time. The Green Bay Packers,
I would like to get rid of the tush push.
They would like the tush push to be gone. They
are fed up with it. That's not the biggest surprise
in the world, considering you know they were. It was
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Mark Murphy who was in a Q and A talking
about his displeasure for the rule and displeasure for the
play in general. And so that's one that's going to
be brought to the table there. So I don't know
if anybody's optimistic about that getting changed. I find it
hard to believe that they're going to go ahead and
make that switch. You know, there hasn't been a you know,
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an injury or anything drastic that's come up. The Chiefs
didn't lose in a Super Bowl because of it. So yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Feel like mke Patrick Mahomes, you know, put him in
a rule book too, like he's got to go because
he's too he's too good at winning. You know, you
can't stop them, so you know, let's let's put Patrick
Mahomes on that. You know, Commissioner's exempt list of rules is.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
A goof it's pretty goofy.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
So it's it's a good play, it's not. It's not
a football play, you know, it's like a rugsy play.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
But what's interesting about this is we know Green Bay.
They are the ones that propose this new rule change, which,
by the way, if it does pass, this is what
the rule would say. No offensive player I mean immediately
at the snap push or throw his body against a
teammate who is lined up directly behind the snapper, and
receive the snap to aid him in an attempt at gain yardage.
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So again, let's go through the quick history. This rule
was always in place. It was eliminated because the officials
said that they couldn't accurately officiate the play. Now it's
twenty twenty five. We could add another official, right, But
of course the NFL doesn't want to do that because
I guess that'd be too close to college.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
What else can we do?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Oh, we could use replay, Like we could actually make
this a reviewable play to then determine which I think
we all can see I mean on TV. It doesn't
have to be Tony Romo first guessing or not. Like
we all can see whether or they're going to run
a touchbush play, right, So it wouldn't be that hard
to actually officiate in reality this play and how it
impacts the game. So look, we got rid of the
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old field goal because it was a non competitive play.
Kickers were hitting at such a high rate we moved
it back. Now has it had a huge impact on
the game. I don't know that I'd go that far,
but it's played a factor. You know, you get more misses.
There's not as high of a percentage for you know, pats,
which it used to be damn near one hundred percent
for kickers.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
If it wasn't, it was a problem.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So that's one instance of a rule that was changed
because it was a non competitive play, and they thought themselves, okay,
like let's try to make this a play where people
aren't getting up immediately go to the bathroom to go
get a drink, because all right, touchdown, we know the
point after's gonna be good in certain situations. They're like, oh,
a lot of win today. I don't know, this one
might not be too good. With the twitch push, it's
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been a play that's more often than not seventy plus
percent I think for every single team that's utilized it,
and then for the Eagles it's closer to like seventy
five percent success rate. If that's the case, like you're
you're venturing, Like, tell me what other play is that successful?
There's probably not one that's that distinct in the nature
of how they do it. It doesn't look like any other
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play in the game of football. So I can understand
the frustration by it. And it isn't like hating on
Philly or anything else. Kudos to Philly, Like they found
a niche, they found kind of a great spot in
the rule book, and they took advantage of the rules
once the NFL apparently like slyly decided to get rid
of this rule.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So, you know, will it ever change?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I don't know, because you've got one team and you
need twenty three others to vote for this thing to
be back in place and to propose this this rule
the Packers are proposing. You know, Philly's gonna be against it, right,
So of the thirty two teams, we're down to the
thirty that are left. We got one for to one against. Like,
who are the other twenty three that would be for it?
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I mean, maybe there will be a bunch of teams
in the NFC, you know, but you're only at that
point right, You've you've already got two teams that are
a part of this, so you got fourteen teams left,
so you still got some work to do. Let's say
every team besides Philly, all right in the NFC was like, yeah,
screw those guys, all right, We're with Kareem Bay on
this one.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So you got fifteen there.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Where you find in the other votes like who on
the AFC side is saying Kansas City Buffalo because are like, well,
I don't want to lose on it in a Super
Bowl we see them. I just it's gonna be interesting
to see if this thing can pass. It's really hard, uh,
to implement rules like this unless, as Jonah said, there's
a player safety issue, which I think there probably is,
but we'll well, you know, we haven't had we haven't
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seen one yet, Like we're gonna have to wait for
some they drastic to happen, unfortunately before the NFL wants
to change it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I'm glad you ended with players safety issue because Stink
said this the other day and I heard it. I
thought it was a valid A valid point was they
did away with the pushing guys through the a gap
over top of the center on on field goals. You know,
it was considered to be dangerous. It was it was
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a safety issue, and they they took the rule away.
I mean they added a rule where you can't push
guys through. You can't get behind a guy push him
through to be able to try to block the block
the field goals. So to me, I think that it's
it's unsafe. It's a safety issue when guys can push
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other guys. I just I've always thought it was weird.
You weren't allowed to do it when I was playing,
So I don't Again, I don't know where that came from.
Where you all of a sudden, if a guy is
is tied up by a tackler, that a lineman can
come flying in and grab them, pull them or hit
him from behind, push them forward. I don't know when
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that became commonplace and that became a thing, but until
until you say, this is a safety issue, guys being
able to plow into another guy's back and push them forward,
or or even just strategically it's playing that you get
behind the guy and you and you're pushing to have
more strength against the guy that is being blocked or
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the guy who's running the ball. I don't see how
you can you can vote and ban that play. It's
if it's a legal formation. Whether it looks like a
football player or not, if it looks like rugby or not,
doesn't matter if it is a football. If it is
a legal formation and it's not against the rule to
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push a guy in the back, then you can't ban
the play.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
So to me, I think you gotta look at.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It from the standpoint of stop guys from pushing guys
and pulling guys.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
That's the rule that needs to be implemented. Stop that.
I get so sick and tired of these these announcers.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Oh my gosh, look at the leg drive of this guy.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
He just he just runs right over him.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You don't see that three hundred pound dude grabbing him
and pushing him and pulling him.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
Some guys just wanted more. Oh my gosh, it's amazing.
He just wants it, like, come on, dude, no wonder
he inspires his teammates.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
He just kept rumbling and stumbling and rumbling, and in
there he's into the end zone, like come on, man,
he's got two three hundred pound dudes grabbing him.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
His feet aren't even on the ground. His feet aren't
even on the ground. How's he getting the lag? Drive?
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Stop that mess. That's what needs to be addressed. Let's
address the real issue here. The real issue is do
not push guys in the back.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Do not.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
It's not a part like this is not it should
not be a part of football. Do not push guys
in the back. Bottom line. If he gets hit by
a defender, the defender has the right to be able
to test what his technique and his skill and his
strength is against that runner the same way that runner
gets to do the same exact thing with him. There
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should not be any assists. There should not, And I
think that that's what needs to be addressed more so
than anything else.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Question shortyarded situation.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
They run a full back, dive, quarterback, sneak, whatever you
want to call it, and the defensive tackle makes a
play and a linebacker comes in from behind on the
defensive tackle and pushes the ball carrier back like a
reverse push push.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
What would you be opposed to that?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You get forward progress anyway, So if you got to
push him back, he's already gained the line that he's gained.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
But the defender are.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
You saying if the linebacker pushes the defensive tackle to
stop I mean like pushing.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I think they've tried it.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
They tried to stop the Toush push. Before the Tousch push,
they were just tackling guys.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Everybody's just trying to push scrum.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
And here's why it's not a realistic scenario because the
defensive tackle, if he's making the tackle or trying to
and LaVar would preach to this, the next guy is
trying to take the ball. You know, the fastest way
to get a guy to stop running his feet or
stop moving forward. You get that ball loose a little
bit and you you test his ball security and next
thing you know, he's he's more consumer with that than
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moving forward. Like now he's got no shot. He doesn't
have the ball with him. So that's typically how most
most tacklings taught.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
You gang tackle. First guy in, you know, stands him up,
next guy.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
In knocks out that goes after. Stop pushing. That's all.
That's a simple fix.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
It ain't getting chance.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Stop allowing people to push. No pushing done, like you
fix it, figure it out, do a sneak, do a dive,
do it, but stop pushing guys from behind, period, no
matter where you're at on the field or what part
of the play. It is no pushing, no assisting a runner,
no aiding a guy done.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
Can we talk about some of the other proposals too,
because we got they've got a few.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
In there that I don't like.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yeah, let's bang those out. It is two Pros and
a Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. So we are
going to get into some of those other proposals here
because they definitely have to be discussed. I mean definitely
have to be because listen, not every proposal is one
size fits all.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I know that know that for sure. Definitely not.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
It's definitely not a one size fits all situation for
those proposals. But we've got the proof of that coming
up next here on Fox Sports Radio.
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It is one of the great days, one of the
great days in all of sports. We will get into
that for you here on FSR. We were mentioning these
rule proposals that were out there that were announced that
they're going to be voting on in the NFL. The
tush push, who the hell knows. Maybe it'll get banned,
maybe it won't, probably not. The Lions playoff proposal seems
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pretty simple. They just want the seeding to be based
on record and not division winners. So seems like that
that's a no brainer. We've seen teams with weaker schedules
or winning a weaker division host a playoff game over
a team that they should have been hosting a playoff
game over. The Lions would like to do away with that.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
What's the argument against it?
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Well, like this isn't just that easy of like, hey,
let's just do three minutes of the segment because it's
been in the rules forever and it doesn't really make
any sense to me because it's like you're not really
taking into account the entire body of work, and if
you play in either of the South divisions, it's a
huge advantage for you because those divisions aren't great. And
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we can't act like, yeah, there's parody in the NFL
because there's only thirty two teams, but the AFC South
of AFC North, it's Apple's oranges, I mean, santhy with
the NFC Northwest, NFC Ealth or pick what other division
you want and people may get you offended by, you know,
one of those teams who are in that the South divisions,
but the reality is, you know it's true. So I
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just I hate the fact that there is awarded home
field advantage and all the things that come with that
for that franchise just because they won potentially a crappy division.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Or even had a losing record and won their division.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
We've seen that before, Like that is that is a
flaw in this whole system and they really shouldn't be
rewarded for it.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
The Chargers proposed it in twenty twenty three, and apparently
it didn't get much support at all, which is odd.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
So you keep the divisions but go by the best record? Yeah,
I don't think so. I think if you're going to
do it that way, I would say the argument point
from my perspective would be do away with the divisions.
Then do away with the divisions and have a conference
and based upon based upon the the record of the
conference than you do to rankings and the ratings like
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who gets home fits you got the best, you have
the best. Whatever amount of teams that that have the
best records and they get a home field, how.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Are they going to sell merch? There's some teams that
just win divisions and nothing else. They division winner merch.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I have it, but you can't have it both ways.
If a team wins a division and it's in a
weaker division, I mean, they won their division.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I mean that's just to me. I feel like that's simple.
You won your division.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
But if you're a.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Four seed with a worse record than a five seed,
should you get to host that playoff game just because
you want a weaker division?
Speaker 4 (39:32):
I don't think you should.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I mean, but that's just how it plays out. It's
a division, it's division with.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
The division, well, I don't think you need to do
away with it necessarily, like there's still a title on
the line, right, I just don't think you need to
award them a home playoff game.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
But they won their division, but that doesn't matter. Now
that goes back to well, then conference, then the division,
do away with the division. Then if it doesn't matter,
if you win the division, then do away with it.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Those from the standpoint, if you're getting the playoffs, it's
an automatic berth in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You don't need to host a playoff game, though.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I feel like it's a contradiction if you're gonna if
you're gonna award a champion to their their division, then
I feel like they should be rewarded. Would be in
the best in their division, they're the best in their division.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Need to get a playoff berth. That's all works.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
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tournament coming up later on in the show. But one
thing that has swept the nation, one thing that has
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swept the nation here on Fox Sports Radio and others is, uh,
what the hell's going on? What the hell's going on?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Just running rogue? All right?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
So the Aaron Rodgers' latest apparently he's in quote unquote
no rush at all to make a decision, and you know,
he's just kind of after finding out that the Minnesota
Vikings are apparently going to be moving on to JJ McCarthy,
they're still looking at a veteran from the Rogers standpoint,
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he's just kind of waiting around, according to reports, and
not really in any sort of a rush or hurry
now to figure out where he lands. And obviously the
Steelers and the Giants have been speculated and rumored, but
that is the latest on the Aaron Rodgers front when
it comes to his interest and taking another look at
this whole thing. So I don't know how that lands
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with anybody, but it feels to me like he had
a preference. Maybe that preference and that door is still
open and you know, the Giants and the Steelers can
wait a little bit.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Is this a conflicting report from schefter compared to what
was said after the season?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I thought after the season or maybe the.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Super Bowl, there was a report that came out that
he wasn't gonna wait, he was gonna make a decision
sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Am I mistaken for that?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
No?
Speaker 5 (03:35):
That was and that was the Was it the Jets
who also said it or somebody said, yeah, that it
was going to be that it wasn't going to drag out?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Was well, the Jets did drag it out, right?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Or was that his decision just to play? In general?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
That might have been the play. Okay, I think it
was the play. But but the Jets did not drag
it out. You know, they came in and they got
their new coach, the new coach, you know, talk to
them that it came out that they were saying, you know,
what they were expecting of them, and then they released them,
you know, and which you're giving a guy the opportunity
(04:13):
to test the market out at the beginning, which is
to me, in some ways a lot of ways, that's admirable,
you know, for for a team to do that, because
they could be petty and hold on to you and say, well,
we're gonna wait dad, this and that and the other,
and they could wait until you know, you get to
a point of where you know, those roster spots are
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are filled up. And and so he's had the opportunity
to have multiple several conversations. It sounds like uh with
with teams about the possibility of playing. But again, like
I said, I go back to this, if the two
things that you're saying are one, I want to play
for Minnesota and two if I'm not, if I'm not
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doing that, I might possibly retire. I'm just telling you,
and I'm a double down on it. When a player
starts saying retirement like that's a part of the options
that they're they're putting out there. They're already close to retiring,
and do you want that on your team. Guys that
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are close to retirement handle things much differently than guys
that are still trying to play. It's just known. It's
just natural. You're almost done, like you're at the end,
Like you handle things in a way where something that
might have mattered more before it doesn't matter as much now,
you know, and even your approach may be a little
(05:36):
bit different. Maybe you know, maybe it isn't. For some
they just work hard, they do what they need to do,
and it is what it is. Some people that, I mean,
you're already thinking about what you're going to do post
career more more intensely. So to me, that's a red flag.
It's a red flag if I'm not Minnesota, and it's
a red flag if you're saying retirement. And so if
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I'm one of these other teams, I really am measuring
out seriously, if I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers, do you want
to bring in Aaron Rodgers and deal with what comes
with Aaron Rodgers? Especially the longer the drags out. If
it doesn't work out, you have a lot of scrutiny
and a lot of criticism come in your way because
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you know what, the first thing the media is going
to say, he didn't even want to be here anyway,
and he was close to retirement New York Gimes. I
don't know how much that matters because they're not really
been very very competitive. But you're going back into the
same media market if you're Aaron Rodgers, and that could
be problematic.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well in your house is still there and all that,
Maybe that plays a factor.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Maybe I do have some questions though, you know, for starters,
does the waiting game ultimately tell him which team really
wants him because they waited?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Like does that factor in? You know?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I I it just it.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Seems like the decision should be He's somewhat easy to
make at this point. But maybe it's not for this
reason because you know, if you go back to last year,
did we expect the Atlanta Falcons to take Michael Pennox
after they signed Kirk Cousins to a one hundred million.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Dollar guaranteed deal.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh that was a surprise.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
So I wonder if he's looking at the Giants who
are in striking distance of a quarterback, or even you
say we want to without the Steelers, you know they're
drafting what twenty first whatever it is, you know, or
you know they could still have a team drop to them.
Or excuse me, a quarterback drop to them and where
they surprise him and it's like, here we go again.
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Maybe there's an element of him saying, hey, if I'm
going to be here, I want to make sure that
I'm not worried about like things not going well, and
then saying, well, let's put the young guy in. Or
I don't want to have to worry about being a
mentor to a young guy. I just want to be
here when I play, try to win a super Bowl,
and that's how I want to finish my career.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Why would be where would that place exist? I don't
think that exists anywhere you're going to you're ultimately looking
to replace Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
How long are you going to have them? Sure?
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Sure, But that's on that that's on the organization to
make right, Like you can question whatever organization that is.
That could be Pittsburgh, could be Norrick whoever I'm talking from,
I'm talking from Rogers perspective. You know, is he waiting
because he doesn't want to get with a team that
then's going to draft a guy and then he's like, well,
here we go again. Right, So that's that's one question.
(08:26):
Maybe it's that's one of the reasons why it's taking
this long. And then maybe he's just not sure if
he wants to do this, Like I do wonder about
the toll that the Jets past two seasons have taken
on him. Are there elements of not wanting to to
taint like his experience with football, you know, and and
say like I don't want to feel negative about it
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because of how things ended. You know, it's it's so
much easier to end on top when you're John Elway,
where you went back to back Super Bowls and you
can right off into the sunset, and when you come
back to the sport, you can do it in an
executive capacity.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Another kick to the nuts is, you know, apparently there's
not many TV networks who are interested in him, at
least based on reports we've seen.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I find that hard to believe, only because of you know.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
How obviously the Pat McAfee show is done with a
lot of those interviews that that Rogers has kind of
brought about. But you know, if you're looking at it
from that standpoint, you're saying, well, you know, maybe there's
not really a desire for that to go into the
TV realm.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
But wasn't he supposed to do Jeopardy?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Wasn't he supposed to be like a finalist for being
like the host of Jeopardy at the suit point?
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Sure, but that's kind of a different realm too, right,
Like you're not you're not doing football, you're doing more.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Sure, it's TV, but it's different.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
It's like, Okay, if I went from this time slot
was filled by someone who went from sports to politics,
you can say it's TV.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
They're kind of two different worlds though, right we're not
talking about.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Getting kicked in the nuts like we were the first segment,
you know, probably you know throughout the show.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You're talking about more serious toppings there.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
But again going back to the general point, like was
his time with New York so damaging that he looks
at it and says, I don't if I can't have
the perfect situation that I want to go to, and
maybe Minnesota was that I don't want to like, I
don't want to go into this, I mean, and I
also I also go back to the comment of yesterday
about how they said we're not interested and interested in
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him at this time. Once the thing that the Vikings
get through OTA's and Mini camp and they're watching McCarthy, they're.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Like, oh, hey, no, he's not ready. You know.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
I wonder that if they'd be willing to say, let's
bring Rogers in and see where things go from there.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And he might still be available at that point in time.
I just to me, I look at Aaron Rodgers, and
I say, if he's looking at it from the perspective
of I don't want somebody drafting a quarterback or anything
like that, that's that's a tad bit delusional, you know,
because how much more am I going to get out
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of you? I just don't know, Like you have to
have immediate contingency plan in play. If you're bringing Aaron
Rodgers in the first season with the Jets, he gets
a season ending injury. The second year with the Jets,
he has a pretty decent year, but then ends up
getting let go from the team. I mean, that's not
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the best two years to say, Okay, let's make a
major investment in this guy and let's see if we
can get like a three to four year runout of them.
I think that you're looking at it at face value.
We'll bring you in, see how you play. If you
can play out a high level and help our team.
That's great, but make no mistake about it. We are
looking towards the future for what it is that we're
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going to do, and that could be now, it could
be the present. If i'm Minnesota, I'm still looking at
JJ McCarthy, and I've already told you as much. We're
looking at JJ McCarthy to beat a guy. By our actions.
Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones gone both gone. You're not
clearing that out to somebody in to be the starter.
You're clearing that out for JJ McCarthy to be the starter.
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So if you're thinking that Minnesota is your perfect opportunity
to go be a starter, I think that you're misjudging
and mismeasuring what's taking place in Minnesota. Your best bet
is to go to Pittsburgh. That's your best bet because
that's the better team of the teams that you have
left outside of Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
So Kevin Seaffer of ESPN reported that the Vikings decision
is to give JJ McCarthy as many reps this spring
as possible, and if Aaron Rodgers is needed later for
some reason and is available, that he will be revisited.
And when I see that, I go that doesn't say elite.
That doesn't scream elite. Are I tell you that?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
But it also doesn't scream that they're totally confident that
he got time. It also doesn't scream that they're totally
confident in JJ McCarthy, because look, they according to reports,
there at least was an offer made to Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
According to reports, there was at least a decision.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Daniel Jones had to make because they did make him
an offer as well too. And now they've at the
very least had a conversation with Aaron Rodgers and would
be open to another conversation with him later. This sounds
to me like maybe there's some doubt about JJ McCarthy
as a whole, because that's three different times you had
an opportunity to just shut the door, and still the
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door's not shut.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I don't think it's one or the other though, right,
It's like, maybe you do have doubt and JJ McCarthy
in terms of what he may bring to the table,
because he hasn't done it, hasn't done anything yet, right,
But you're but you're also maybe having doubt on do
we bring in Aaron Rodgers. There could be I don't
think either one has one has to be true for
the other one to be true, or the other one.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
To be false. I think that it could be both.
This is a city who highlighted Prince. I mean, they're
very accept I mean of all sorts of different I'm just.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Saying, like, the Prince is amazing.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
I think Rogers can go and do whatever he wants
in the offseason and they'll be very accepting of him
coming to lead their team.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I just I think I think the Steelers is an
interesting scenario because they yeah, I heard him. I just
I just think they got to jump out there and
and declare like, either you want to be a stealer,
and I feel like it should go in the media
like what Hayward did, like either you want to come
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play for this team or you don't if you want
to keep measuring and weighing it out and waiting and this,
that and the other, like we're good, man, we're good.
We'll move on, we'll figure it out and go from there.
But you're already setting a tone. I just think that
Aaron Rodgers, if he's going to continue to play, he
has to be very careful of what the reputation that
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has kind of been created for him in some aspects,
which is that there's a lot that comes with having
Aaron Rodgers on your team. Where's a lot that comes
with dealing with Aaron Rodgers. You gotta you gotta be
mindful of that because this is now. You are now
in a.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Free agent pool.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Your talent is un you know, is undisputable, but dealing
with what comes along with the talent is disputable. And
to me, you got to be very careful on that.
Minnesota is the perfect spot. Kirk Cousins didn't get vexed.
I mean, jeez, so like, why wouldn't he wait around
for Minnesota? That to Brady's point, that is a very
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accepting city and a very accepting franchise.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Us as Minnesota hired a shaman yet, I mean, maybe
that would help entice things.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And then just I don't know, I think.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
They let them in with a camel, like, hey, listen yours.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
But the way the way LeVar is portraying this, it's
almost like Aaron's the low hanging fruit at the bar
at the end of the night and they're like, well,
I want to see how my prospects go with this
over here, and then it's like, uh, uh, kind, I'm
not really sure about this, but I know over at
the bar, I got the guaranteed thing. You know, that's
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just that call and he got called. That's what I'm saying.
You think Minnesota is gonna wait till the last call?
Is that you're saying here, that's what it looks like.
Is this and I'm really gonna do this situation?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah, it could be. No, it could be.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
It could do not compare Aaron Rodgers to It could
be going to do I'm really going to do this. Yeah,
come on, it could be that's not.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think I think he's signed by now. If if
he's not, everybody is.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
I know one team would have signed him right now
if he had made the decision.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But I'm talking about Minnesota. If you're looking at Minnesota
and you're saying, Minnesota's at the bar, and they're like
JJ McCarthy is the one that they're spending their money
on the.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Drinks for, Like Aaron. Aaron Rodgers came up and was like, hey, Hi,
you saw Aaron. Hey, I know you. Hey, how are
you doing good? All right? Go all right, keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
You know, at the end of the day, if JJ
McCarthy doesn't work out and doesn't pan out for them.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
You're looking around the bar.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Like dang, like uh oh oh, well you're still there
and you're alone, Like what's going on?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Like, let's talk about it? So what time are we taught?
Like if we're doing the bar analogy and we're doing
the comparison, like, is it what like around nine o'clock
right now? So it's not even close to closing time.
I have to make a call.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's got to be a little bit later than nine
o'clock maybe, Like I don't know when does the.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Club close thirty? The club closes at ten thirty?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Well, like the club closes it to where we at
on the clock when it comes to this situation for
Rogers that you got about two hours left, right, so
it's about eleven approaching eleven o'clock. Yeah, well it's a
lot of time. That's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Time, And that's why you still have the Steelers and
the Giant's still there.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Lee, it's a lot of time left in the bar.
That's why I'm thinking it's the opposite.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Wait, like Rodgers is trying to get the Vikings to
go home with them, trying to go home with the Vikings,
and if he's left in the dirt, then he's going
to go to New York.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, but he could have already done that.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
No, that's yeah, if you're well, that's the sure thing
that he could wait till two am and he'll still
be able to go to New York.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But I think the point is, I don't know that
that's true. I think the point is in this analogy
is that Aaron Rodgers isn't the guy at the bar
trying to pick up the person. It's the teams. It's
the teams that are are at the bar that are
looking at.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Aaron Rodgers more accurately portray this for everyone. Yeah, here's
the deals. Everyone's at the bar, all.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Right, everybody is at the bar, right, But.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
There the Giants are there and they're all looking, you know,
they're looking at what they got, and the Vikings are
looking at J. J.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
The Steelers don't have anything, so they're like, well, what
the hell I mean, We're we're looking squarely at Rogers,
waiting for him to make a decision, sitting at the
bar over in the corner, and the giants are sitting there,
and there's somewhere in the middle. You know, they're like
in the middle of there, near the dance floor. They're
near the bar, but they're sitting saying to themselves, well,
we could draft one, but we feel like we need
to win and we need a veteran in here, and
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if it's not Rogers, then we feel like there's maybe
a drop off to some of the other veterans, whether
you have to sign Russell or trade for for cousins.
So they're also iron Aaron Rodgers at the bar as well.
It's but that's the thing is Rogers' I in Minnesota,
you know, so he's kind of sitting there waiting to
Minnesota make their decision. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh's in the corner, you know,
the giants over by the dance fall. They're kind of flirting,
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you know, trying to figure out what the hell they
want to do. I mean, you got a whole entire,
you know, ordeal going on. I mean, this is kind
of like Bill Bellamy's How to Be a Player.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Meanwhile, it's yeah, Meanwhile, Russell Wilson's in the parking lot,
swiping on bumble, going come on, anybody in there.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Russ is at the bar too, but they're sitting there
on the dance floor.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
He's no, he's showing his moves. He's showing make sure
they see. Like what I still got it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I just felt like nobody's buying them drinks like he's
he's showing them his goodies. He had the bar, nobody's
behind drinks like, oh there go Russ.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Aaron Rodgers getting drinks. You know what I mean, he's
getting courted, but you know.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
He's getting some ynglings, Dan, He's getting stillers are sending
over some ynglings.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
The giants are setting them over some.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Uh you know, some some nice uh you know martinis.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And then you got Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I mean they've got some peote or something, and they're
just like, that're way to keep it for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I mean, if we are on that that analogy, though,
I mean, you got to think to yourself at some point,
if Minnesota is holding Aaron Rodgers' attention at the bar
for this amount of time while I'm sitting here trying
to buy you a drink and start conversation with you
and have a good conversation with you, and you don't want.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
To have it, do I walk away with hard feelings? Again?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
If I'm the city and I'm the fan base. I
don't want to be looking at the fact that we
brought Aaron Rodgers in as a late sloppy second, like
this is what we brought. If he plays well, it
plays out okay. Donald Sam Darnald was a sloppy second.
Sam Donald was brought in to be a backup. Though
this is a very different situation than when Sam Donald
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went to went to Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Minnesota's had a lot of sloppy seconds, whether it was
case Keenum, whether it was Josh Dobbs. For a minute,
it was circumstantial for Sam Donald to end up in
the situation that he ended up in. JJ McCarthy looked
as though he was going to end up being the
starting quarterback. It's an injury that that slowed down what
he was going to do. And the Minnesota Vikings, you
have a great year from Sam Donald, boom, unexpected, he
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raises his value, and now he's not there anymore. So
they clearly are looking at JJ McCarthy as that's who
they want to go with. So I think it's very
different circumstances surrounding Sam Donald being a sloppy second.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
He was, he was a second, he was he was
a backup. He was coming in to be a backup.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I just think it's good that people still meeting bars.
That that's that's just really good about this, do they Yeah,
I mean not everybody's, uh the way we're breaking it down,
not everybody's you know, going dating app route.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You know, so this is good. At some point we're
going to get a dating It's.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
More relatable, you know to people listening out there, right,
wouldn't you say that? I mean, Lee, you tell me,
you know you're well, maybe you're not out there dating.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I'm not really sure. No, Mary, I mean anyone.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
No, no, but I've been there, and you know now
it's definitely more relatable. We'll be on the apps, right,
is it. Well yeah, maybe not for you guys, but oh,
Mary said, gives the thumbs down.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
It's so easy.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Well, if Saron Rodgers is on a dating app, he
was swiping left, was a swipe left, swipe swipe right
or whatever he was swiping to the next person, if
it was the Steelers or the Giants, and then he
came to the Minnesota Vikings and he swiped the other
way or whatever it is. I don't know how that works,
but it's something to that effect, right, he's trying to
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choose Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
How great was it though when he woke up in
the morning and he saw that little bmoji?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Say, don't you got to wait for them to accept
that you chose that person that you were wiping on?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
So oh boy? But then you're also wondering which one
is it? What you're.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
You're like, Man, I did a lot of swiping last night.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Don't you want to get Like, don't you wonder what
you're really getting in real life?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Like?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And that's a lot of what is connected to Aaron Rodgers,
Like I'm gonna choose Aaron Rodgers. Boom you you accept it?
But what am I getting? Like when I see you
in person? Is am I getting a person that I
hope that was getting?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Right? And now how dating apps for.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It would be amazing.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
If you signed with the team and then immediately took
off on another trip, it was gone for that would
be all times.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Than oh there you go work last year, Two pros
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Speaker 5 (24:22):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
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Apparently things are progressing nicely for somebody, you know, things
are things are starting to starting to look up for
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somebody in the NFL when it comes to getting paid.
We'll have that discussion for you here on FSR. We've
got some proposals that are out some people that might
want to make some changes to the NFL. These proposals
are going to be voted on with the owners meet
coming up next week and so or about a week
and a half from now, they'll get together and they'll
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have these discussions. But some of the proposals are out there.
We've talked about the Green Bay Packers we can just
do these one at a time. The Green Bay Packers,
I would like to get rid of the tush push.
They would like the tush push to be gone. They
are fed up with it. That's not the biggest surprise
in the world, considering you know they were. It was
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Mark Murphy who was in a Q and A talking
about his displeasure for the rule and displeasure for the
play in general. And so that's one that's going to
be brought to the table there. So I don't know
if anybody's optimistic about that getting changed. I find it
hard to believe that they're going to go ahead and
make that switch. You know, there hasn't been a you know,
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an injury or anything drastic that's come up. The Chiefs
didn't lose in a Super Bowl because of it. So yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Feel like mke Patrick Mahomes, you know, put him in
a rule book too, like he's got to go because
he's too he's too good at winning. You know, you
can't stop them, so you know, let's let's put Patrick
Mahomes on that. You know, Commissioner's exempt list of rules is.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
A goof it's pretty goofy.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
So it's it's a good play, it's not. It's not
a football play, you know, it's like a rugsy play.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
But what's interesting about this is we know Green Bay.
They are the ones that propose this new rule change, which,
by the way, if it does pass, this is what
the rule would say. No offensive player I mean immediately
at the snap push or throw his body against a
teammate who is lined up directly behind the snapper, and
receive the snap to aid him in an attempt at gain yardage.
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So again, let's go through the quick history. This rule
was always in place. It was eliminated because the officials
said that they couldn't accurately officiate the play. Now it's
twenty twenty five. We could add another official, right, But
of course the NFL doesn't want to do that because
I guess that'd be too close to college.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
What else can we do?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Oh, we could use replay, Like we could actually make
this a reviewable play to then determine which I think
we all can see I mean on TV. It doesn't
have to be Tony Romo first guessing or not. Like
we all can see whether or they're going to run
a touchbush play, right, So it wouldn't be that hard
to actually officiate in reality this play and how it
impacts the game. So look, we got rid of the
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old field goal because it was a non competitive play.
Kickers were hitting at such a high rate we moved
it back. Now has it had a huge impact on
the game. I don't know that I'd go that far,
but it's played a factor. You know, you get more misses.
There's not as high of a percentage for you know, pats,
which it used to be damn near one hundred percent
for kickers.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
If it wasn't, it was a problem.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So that's one instance of a rule that was changed
because it was a non competitive play, and they thought themselves, okay,
like let's try to make this a play where people
aren't getting up immediately go to the bathroom to go
get a drink, because all right, touchdown, we know the
point after's gonna be good in certain situations. They're like, oh,
a lot of win today. I don't know, this one
might not be too good. With the twitch push, it's
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been a play that's more often than not seventy plus
percent I think for every single team that's utilized it,
and then for the Eagles it's closer to like seventy
five percent success rate. If that's the case, like you're
you're venturing, Like, tell me what other play is that successful?
There's probably not one that's that distinct in the nature
of how they do it. It doesn't look like any other
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play in the game of football. So I can understand
the frustration by it. And it isn't like hating on
Philly or anything else. Kudos to Philly, Like they found
a niche, they found kind of a great spot in
the rule book, and they took advantage of the rules
once the NFL apparently like slyly decided to get rid
of this rule.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So, you know, will it ever change?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
I don't know, because you've got one team and you
need twenty three others to vote for this thing to
be back in place and to propose this this rule
the Packers are proposing. You know, Philly's gonna be against it, right,
So of the thirty two teams, we're down to the
thirty that are left. We got one for to one against. Like,
who are the other twenty three that would be for it?
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I mean, maybe there will be a bunch of teams
in the NFC, you know, but you're only at that
point right, You've you've already got two teams that are
a part of this, so you got fourteen teams left,
so you still got some work to do. Let's say
every team besides Philly, all right in the NFC was like, yeah,
screw those guys, all right, We're with Kareem Bay on
this one.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So you got fifteen there.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Where you find in the other votes like who on
the AFC side is saying Kansas City Buffalo because are like, well,
I don't want to lose on it in a Super
Bowl we see them. I just it's gonna be interesting
to see if this thing can pass. It's really hard, uh,
to implement rules like this unless, as Jonah said, there's
a player safety issue, which I think there probably is,
but we'll well, you know, we haven't had we haven't
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seen one yet, Like we're gonna have to wait for
some they drastic to happen, unfortunately before the NFL wants
to change it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I'm glad you ended with players safety issue because Stink
said this the other day and I heard it. I
thought it was a valid A valid point was they
did away with the pushing guys through the a gap
over top of the center on on field goals. You know,
it was considered to be dangerous. It was it was
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a safety issue, and they they took the rule away.
I mean they added a rule where you can't push
guys through. You can't get behind a guy push him
through to be able to try to block the block
the field goals. So to me, I think that it's
it's unsafe. It's a safety issue when guys can push
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other guys. I just I've always thought it was weird.
You weren't allowed to do it when I was playing,
So I don't Again, I don't know where that came from.
Where you all of a sudden, if a guy is
is tied up by a tackler, that a lineman can
come flying in and grab them, pull them or hit
him from behind, push them forward. I don't know when
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that became commonplace and that became a thing, but until
until you say, this is a safety issue, guys being
able to plow into another guy's back and push them forward,
or or even just strategically it's playing that you get
behind the guy and you and you're pushing to have
more strength against the guy that is being blocked or
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the guy who's running the ball. I don't see how
you can you can vote and ban that play. It's
if it's a legal formation. Whether it looks like a
football player or not, if it looks like rugby or not,
doesn't matter if it is a football. If it is
a legal formation and it's not against the rule to
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push a guy in the back, then you can't ban
the play.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
So to me, I think you gotta look at.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It from the standpoint of stop guys from pushing guys
and pulling guys.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
That's the rule that needs to be implemented. Stop that.
I get so sick and tired of these these announcers.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Oh my gosh, look at the leg drive of this guy.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
He just he just runs right over him.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You don't see that three hundred pound dude grabbing him
and pushing him and pulling him.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
Some guys just wanted more. Oh my gosh, it's amazing.
He just wants it, like, come on, dude, no wonder
he inspires his teammates.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
He just kept rumbling and stumbling and rumbling, and in
there he's into the end zone, like come on, man,
he's got two three hundred pound dudes grabbing him.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
His feet aren't even on the ground. His feet aren't
even on the ground. How's he getting the lag? Drive?
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Stop that mess. That's what needs to be addressed. Let's
address the real issue here. The real issue is do
not push guys in the back.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Do not.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
It's not a part like this is not it should
not be a part of football. Do not push guys
in the back. Bottom line. If he gets hit by
a defender, the defender has the right to be able
to test what his technique and his skill and his
strength is against that runner the same way that runner
gets to do the same exact thing with him. There
(33:32):
should not be any assists. There should not, And I
think that that's what needs to be addressed more so
than anything else.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Question shortyarded situation.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
They run a full back, dive, quarterback, sneak, whatever you
want to call it, and the defensive tackle makes a
play and a linebacker comes in from behind on the
defensive tackle and pushes the ball carrier back like a
reverse push push.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
What would you be opposed to that?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You get forward progress anyway, So if you got to
push him back, he's already gained the line that he's gained.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
But the defender are.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
You saying if the linebacker pushes the defensive tackle to
stop I mean like pushing.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I think they've tried it.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
They tried to stop the Toush push. Before the Tousch push,
they were just tackling guys.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Everybody's just trying to push scrum.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
And here's why it's not a realistic scenario because the
defensive tackle, if he's making the tackle or trying to
and LaVar would preach to this, the next guy is
trying to take the ball. You know, the fastest way
to get a guy to stop running his feet or
stop moving forward. You get that ball loose a little
bit and you you test his ball security and next
thing you know, he's he's more consumer with that than
(34:45):
moving forward. Like now he's got no shot. He doesn't
have the ball with him. So that's typically how most
most tacklings taught.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
You gang tackle. First guy in, you know, stands him up,
next guy.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
In knocks out that goes after. Stop pushing. That's all.
That's a simple fix.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
It ain't getting chance.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Stop allowing people to push. No pushing done, like you
fix it, figure it out, do a sneak, do a dive,
do it, but stop pushing guys from behind, period, no
matter where you're at on the field or what part
of the play. It is no pushing, no assisting a runner,
no aiding a guy done.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
Can we talk about some of the other proposals too,
because we got they've got a few.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
In there that I don't like.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yeah, let's bang those out. It is two Pros and
a Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. So we are
going to get into some of those other proposals here
because they definitely have to be discussed. I mean definitely
have to be because listen, not every proposal is one
size fits all.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I know that know that for sure. Definitely not.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
It's definitely not a one size fits all situation for
those proposals. But we've got the proof of that coming
up next here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
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Love Pearl jam was that? Who does that sound like
Little Uzzian and Future.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Pam?
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I got that right, Dang, I never heard the song
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(36:42):
It is one of the great days, one of the
great days in all of sports. We will get into
that for you here on FSR. We were mentioning these
rule proposals that were out there that were announced that
they're going to be voting on in the NFL. The
tush push, who the hell knows. Maybe it'll get banned,
maybe it won't, probably not. The Lions playoff proposal seems
(37:04):
pretty simple. They just want the seeding to be based
on record and not division winners. So seems like that
that's a no brainer. We've seen teams with weaker schedules
or winning a weaker division host a playoff game over
a team that they should have been hosting a playoff
game over. The Lions would like to do away with that.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
What's the argument against it?
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Well, like this isn't just that easy of like, hey,
let's just do three minutes of the segment because it's
been in the rules forever and it doesn't really make
any sense to me because it's like you're not really
taking into account the entire body of work, and if
you play in either of the South divisions, it's a
huge advantage for you because those divisions aren't great. And
(37:49):
we can't act like, yeah, there's parody in the NFL
because there's only thirty two teams, but the AFC South
of AFC North, it's Apple's oranges, I mean, santhy with
the NFC Northwest, NFC Ealth or pick what other division
you want and people may get you offended by, you know,
one of those teams who are in that the South divisions,
but the reality is, you know it's true. So I
(38:12):
just I hate the fact that there is awarded home
field advantage and all the things that come with that
for that franchise just because they won potentially a crappy division.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Or even had a losing record and won their division.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
We've seen that before, Like that is that is a
flaw in this whole system and they really shouldn't be
rewarded for it.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
The Chargers proposed it in twenty twenty three, and apparently
it didn't get much support at all, which is odd.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
So you keep the divisions but go by the best record? Yeah,
I don't think so. I think if you're going to
do it that way, I would say the argument point
from my perspective would be do away with the divisions.
Then do away with the divisions and have a conference
and based upon based upon the the record of the
conference than you do to rankings and the ratings like
(38:59):
who gets home fits you got the best, you have
the best. Whatever amount of teams that that have the
best records and they get a home field, how.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Are they going to sell merch? There's some teams that
just win divisions and nothing else. They division winner merch.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I have it, but you can't have it both ways.
If a team wins a division and it's in a
weaker division, I mean, they won their division.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I mean that's just to me. I feel like that's simple.
You won your division.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
But if you're a.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Four seed with a worse record than a five seed,
should you get to host that playoff game just because
you want a weaker division?
Speaker 4 (39:32):
I don't think you should.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I mean, but that's just how it plays out. It's
a division, it's division with.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
The division, well, I don't think you need to do
away with it necessarily, like there's still a title on
the line, right, I just don't think you need to
award them a home playoff game.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
But they won their division, but that doesn't matter. Now
that goes back to well, then conference, then the division,
do away with the division. Then if it doesn't matter,
if you win the division, then do away with it.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Those from the standpoint, if you're getting the playoffs, it's
an automatic berth in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You don't need to host a playoff game, though.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I feel like it's a contradiction if you're gonna if
you're gonna award a champion to their their division, then
I feel like they should be rewarded. Would be in
the best in their division, they're the best in their division.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Need to get a playoff berth. That's all works.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Let's continue. Let's continue the conversation.
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