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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knox on
four Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Speaking of speaking of songs, what's the one?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Janet Jackson? The what have you done for Me?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Late?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Is that the one? I mean, that's yeah, that's the
one they use. Yeah, because apparently uh lately ate lately
enough in Denver.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Apparently that's on the playlist in NBA front offices around
the league because Michael Malone he gone, and yes, that
is correct. They just want a title back in twenty
twenty three, so they uh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
What's up girl, Um.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Hmmm mmm mmm coach Malone, that'll be that'll be that
the front office.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
That makes and now I know what you're thinking. Listen,
there's got to be enough time to turn this season around.
There's three games left, okay, So instead of just waiting
to see this thing through, they decided, well, with three
games left, we're gonna go ahead and uh get rid
of him. That'll make four of the last six coaches

(01:13):
who have won titles have now been fired or let
go or have moved on from the team that they
won the title with.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Wh whoa whoa whoa, whoa?

Speaker 6 (01:21):
Can you name them all?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I mean, give me, give me a sign.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Let me pull up the names here, because I can
already tell who's going to catch astray?

Speaker 7 (01:30):
All Right, I'll throw one, Yeah, Budenholzer, right, yes, the
coach for the Bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
We've who else we've.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
Got that in that list?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Frank Vogel.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Does that count though he was part of the twenty
twenty Bubba boy?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
All right, that's a half firing. That's a half firing there.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
And uh and then obviously Michael Malone yesterday, who's the
guy who's the fourth the fourth guy who won the title?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
The guy clip of the last last six coaches? Whatever? Listen?
Point being what point being?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
They go?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Now, yeah, that's the point. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
In the NBA, nothing safe, like yeah, there's nothing safe,
uh Tyron, Yeah, I guess yeah, there's nothing safe in
the NBA. If you want a title, if if you've
done something, you're gonna have to go ahead and prove
it year after year after year, because if they don't

(02:31):
like you, or if players throw a fit on the sideline.
And one of the reports out there was that even
joke joker who was on the sideline, it doesn't show
a lot of emotion. He's shown frustration late in the season,
and so of course people want to know why why
make the move now?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Why do it? With three games left in the season.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
The Nuggets vice chairman Josh Kronke was speaking with Nuggets
dot Com and explain the move.

Speaker 8 (02:56):
We went on an a game win streak right before
the All Star break, you know, but since then, I
think we're eleven and thirteen, We've lost our last four,
and we're trending towards a direction that I thought would
probably be a very near end to our season. Of
the near future, we were going to be changing from
these roles at the end of the season. From that
point forward, I think that, you know, I became comfortable

(03:16):
with the thinking of, you know, let's try to shake
this tree and squeeze, squeeze as much out of this
as we can.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Whoa Nick Nurse? What are they shake the tree? What
are you squeezing?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
By the way, Nick Nurse was the other one who
got clipped, and he won a title with Toronto.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Shake a tree? What are you squeezing on the tree?
I don't get it, good point, I don't know. I
don't get the terminology there.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I just.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Like who would want to be a coach in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Now, you'd have to assume they have who they want
inside internally, right, are they bringing someone in right now
like off the street? Did they already have somebody lined up?
Like I would assume if you're saying get a squeeze
out of shaking the tree, that you're you're trying to
get results from within. So do we even know who

(04:07):
the interroom head coach? Did they name the interroom?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, they like the idea that and their thought on
it is, Well, we were going to make this move
at the end of the season anyways.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, are they not going to the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
They are, So I don't understand.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
That's that's the end of season means end of the season,
like there's no more games last Yeah, So if you're
going to the playoffs again, back to my original point,
you must feel like you have whoever it is you
were going to use once this season was over already
in the building. Why else would you Why else would

(04:43):
you cripple a team that's played well enough to go
to the playoffs by getting rid of their head coach.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
So David Adaman's their lead assistant. He's going to take
over for the three remaining games.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Do you think he's the guy there looking forward to
make the permanent head coach? I have no idea, So
it sounds like that's what they would want to do.
If you're saying, well, we were ready to make this decision,
you know, you make it now with three games left.
That just doesn't It doesn't add up unless you felt
like you had the guy already there.

Speaker 7 (05:13):
The timing is incredibly weird. My mind wanders to like
something had to have happened. There had to have been
something to happen behind the scenes that was the last straw,
or maybe it was something they couldn't get over. Usually
my mind kind of wanders there, give them the timing.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
But I'll put it this way.

Speaker 7 (05:34):
I've I got to know a certain NBA staff and
I'm not gonna say what team, but talking with that
head coach and his assistance, one of the things he
mentioned was it really is all about relationships. He's like,
you know, if you want to coach ball, this isn't

(05:55):
the level for that, because yes, there's technical stuff and
there's other things that you're working on in between games.
He goes, it is managing people. It is really managing superstars.
And this particular coach was saying how when he first
got there, he had to unfortunately manage you know, one

(06:15):
particular player that like he just he couldn't get him
to play for him, He could not get him to
want to He cannot, you know, find that way of
motivating him, connecting with him, and the team moved on
from him.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Unfortunate for him.

Speaker 7 (06:29):
Otherwise they probably would have moved on from him as
a head coach because things would have went down such
a bad path. So, you know, to the point of,
you know how much I guess it impacts this team.
At this point, you're talking about teams that have won
championships and yet there is no.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Equity whatsoever built up with the ownership.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
So it's not even just like what do the players
think of the coach and and the NBA has built
on superstars. We all we all know that, like it's
they are pushed by their superstar players more than anything
else than any of their professional sport. But what's crazy
is like even for the owners, like that's how they

(07:13):
see it too, in the sense that like they don't
really care ultimately if that coaches there or not. He's
like as long as the superstars, that's all the matters.
I mean, you've got different teams that if you look
at their valuation of their franchise, they factor in like
who's the star NBA player. They're one of the only
teams that's really like that. Like in the NFL, it's

(07:35):
a little bit more, uh, you know, static as far
as like, hey, if you're the New York Giants, you're
rth X all right. Whether they have Eui Manning anymore,
well no, but there's still worth billions of you know,
billions of dollars. That's just how that's just how it is.
In the NBA, it fluctuates a lot more depending on
who that star player is.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
It's part of your team.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
So it's unfortunate, I think for a lot of coaches
that really it's not so much about their basketball acumen.
It's really about their ability to connect with players and
motivate them to kind of play with one another or
at least play up to the best of their ability.
But it's not an ex's and o's thing. And I
would say at that level of sport it might be

(08:19):
the only one that's not as schematic driven for the
coaches as it is for other sports, which is is
weird to me because it feels like, in a way,
it's almost babysitting.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
It is babysitting. And that's I think that that's why
pat Riley and who's my guy that Phil Jackson, I mean,
that's why they are calling it like they're so lotted
for being the coaches that they were. Is being able
to manage not only the biggest of biggest star, but

(08:55):
the biggest stars on one team. And and you know
interesting because that's turning into all all levels of sports.
It's not just the NBA, it's the NFL. It's turning
into the NFL. It's not just the NFL, it's turning
into college. Like NIL is now put that type of

(09:16):
weight on coaches and staffs. In college now you have
to manage your your players in the same regard as
how you're managing the superstars on these other teams, because
they'll hit the portal.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well. I was gonna say, I kind of like about football,
And I don't know if this is just the football
or mentality, whether it's college NFL, it feels like there's
more of a respect for a coach's role on a
team and with an organization than there is in the NBA.
In the NBA, it's like, well, we'll just get somebody
else in there. As long as it gets along with

(09:50):
the star player like Brady laid out and we've got talent,
we can go make a run. In the NFL, it's like, no,
like players, I feel like respect at the words, the
you know, the title, everything that comes along with the
coach for the most part, more so.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Than they do in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
There's more players in football, So, like you said, there's more,
there's more you have to manage. There's more coaches in football.
There's there's more for you know, guys to have to manage.
But I think personalities are personalities, and divas are divas,
and they've always been divas, and there are tremendously large

(10:32):
divas in football just as much as there are large
divas in basketball. Now, I will say, you have more
power to like to Q's point, you have more power
in basketball. So if it's like I'm in a diva mood,
I'm in a diva state. That could actually cost a

(10:54):
coach their job. You know, that could cost a coach
their job, and in very rare instances. It could do
the same for a football coach, but more so in basketball.
That is something that you know, that's that's par for
the course. If the diva on your team, the superstar

(11:17):
on your team, chooses to have a problem with you,
you're most likely gone.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I don't like it. It is what it is.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
That just there's got to be some level of respect
for the coach, Like otherwise, what's the point, Like just
go out and you know, have anybody run the team
and just just hire somebody to you know, just they listen.
You just go out there, you guys, do what you
want to do, and then we'll just live with the results.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Like there's guy, I mean, that's.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Kind of what some of these coaches find themselves in
the position that they're in. Yeah, it's and I think
that's happening at the college level now, I really do.
And if it hasn't, it's on its way. It's on
its way. You have I don't know that you have
people that are equipped to handle pro professional style approaches
at the college level, meaning you have to deal with agents,

(12:06):
you have to deal with managers, like an agent calling
you and telling you that your best player may or
may not play in this game like and not a
bowl game like in a regular she's a game.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
I'm not sure the agents at that level are all qualified.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
All well, I mean.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
That it's nonetheless it's still an agent and you got it,
like you got to talk to an agent. I mean,
it might be worse to deal with somebody who's not
a professional. It might be worse on the on the
team and on the school to deal with somebody who
isn't professionally qualified.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
To do it.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
It's the door that's part of the issue why there
needs to be some sort of accreditation or union to
approve it. I mean, if you look at every other league,
if you're an agent, you've got to be approved by
that union in order to be able to negotiate. So
there's certain standards you have to meet. There's a tests

(13:00):
you have to take. And that's part of the issue
of college sports with agents is you can have some
dudes uncles like yeah, I'm his agent. It's like, all right,
what qualifications do you have? Just because you're through blood
like that doesn't make you like qualify to actually negotiate
on his behalf. You have no market knowledge, you have
no experience negotiating contracts or no understanding what you're signing

(13:23):
up for. It's part of the reason why so many,
you know, lawsuits have been born out of these players
and parents and people involved signing deals and now realizing
their own perpetuity, and so they're stuck with some agency
or some other representation because they have no clue what
they're looking at. So there's a lot of unfortunately at

(13:47):
that level, there's a lot of people who are not
prepared for that particular moment.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Could I if I wanted to right now, could I
just be an agent, like to try and work.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
For college and nil? Hell yeah, dude, sign up. Yeah,
there's nothing that stops you from that's sweet.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah you're saying it's sweet.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
But you have to be able to have somebody to
represent Jonas, Like that's the thing about it, Like you
have you have to have somebody that you can represent.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
You don't think I can go into a deal.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
You don't LaVar, You don't think that there's not something
that would look at Jonahs be like, yeah, I want
that guy representing me.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
He's got to find him.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Good luck, Well, he's he wants to suck good luck, bro,
What do you mean you don't want to.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
U see la is right down the street. Let's see.
Let's test it out. Let's take a camera, let's test
it out. Do you like Bestwood?

Speaker 7 (14:40):
What do you mean you don't think if you throw
Jonas in a suit, you know that what he wears
all the time, put him in that one, and then
have him go recruit, he can't recruit. It's I think, LaVar,
I think you're underestimating his ability to recruit the the
opposite gender.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Friend, I see that? Did you know? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:02):
You mean to tell me I couldn't course a softball
players gymnast?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Some volleyball player is a huge following. I'm just saying, man, there's.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
You know, like I wouldn't have connections to Tijuana State.
You need to tell me.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Revisens you did you want to get paid?

Speaker 6 (15:23):
Well, I don't know what that was. That one's that sounded.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
We have to do it before, we have to do
it before night.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
You know it's messed up.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Is yesterday I had an experience and I was like, oh,
this is this is what it's like for Jonas at home?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Was language barrier?

Speaker 7 (15:43):
Yes, And I was talking to it was a landscaper
that does some work for of my buddies. He's like, hey,
can you just have him come over and give you
a quote? I'm trying to help him get more business.
I was like, yeah, I show anything I.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Can do to help.

Speaker 7 (15:55):
And so I came over and We're passing his phone
back and forth and I'm in English and it translates
for him and he reads it and he speaks in
Spanish and it translates to English. Now, don't get me wrong,
the technology is amazing because I'm like, oh, you could
like go anywhere and kind of communicate with someone for
cardless of the language.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
This is pretty neat. However, I kept thinking to myself.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
Man, if anything goes wrong, like like how am I calling?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
How am I?

Speaker 7 (16:21):
I guess I could text them, but is he gonna
be a responsib Like there just became too many hurdles
to go.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Through for me.

Speaker 7 (16:28):
And I'm like, I wish, I wish it could have
worked out, but I just I couldn't get past it.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
But I thought that's probably how Gonus is his heart.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
He's probably goes up his in laws and he's constantly
speaking to his phone and passing it around for Eblee to.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
See, you know, they have them new ear budge you
can put in and it translates like over a hundred
sum languages, and you hear it. It tells you like
they're talking to you. It picks it up and it
tells you what they're saying.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
I think those meta sunglasses can do that too.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Now I don't know, I don't know how that works
for you being able to respond, because obviously you you know,
you would have to be able to I guess say
what it is to you or whatever. I don't know,
but I know it can translate.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
I could see Jonas saying a joke and then like
passing it to one person. They grab the phone, they laugh,
and they like, hey, like passes it to the next person.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
They grab the phone and laugh.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
He's like trying to go around the dinner table to
make sure everyone got the joke.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
I just wish I could use because all the vulgar
stuff I know, like is working, you know, and this
is not you know, trying to stereotype or profile. Well yeah,
but like you work at enough restaurants you become friends with,
you know, the kitchen guys you work with, Roberto you

(17:44):
work with, like you just you just learn certain chants,
certain things that they say that are really insulting and
offensive like that.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I know all of those.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's just like the you know, ins and outs of
a daily conversation with somebody in Spanish that I really
struggle with, which makes it a problem.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
So but hey, Lisa, not Michael Malone.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
And at least I didn't get clipped, you know, I'm
sure Mike has got a couple dollars to go with
them out.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
By the way.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Also, he's a bit of a red ass. Something tells
me he's gonna have some things to say about this
as well too at some point, because he's not shy
about that.

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Speaker 4 (18:34):
Via the New York Post, this from Aaron Glenn, the
brand new head coach of the New York Jets. It's
a process, and I've talked to our staff about this.
I'm not here to talk about the playoffs. I'm not
here to talk about the Super Bowl. When the players
first get in to me, it's the process of actually
making it that point. The two things I want to
make sure we do first and foremost is establish the

(18:55):
culture that we've been talking about and try to create
a building environment. So he would like to establish a
culture with the New York Jets, And what's the right response.
I'll say that, Yeah, that is if you're going to
come out and you're going to say something that that
you know, moves the needle, moves the dial, that that's

(19:15):
what that is the right thing to say. Now, whether
that is doable or not, I don't know, but that
is the right thing to say.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
What makes every coach ever who's taken over a job
talked about implementing their own culture always what you say.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
I don't know that they say it in that way,
like in the way that he said it, Like, let's
not worry about talking about winning a Super Bowl or
all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Let's just first focus.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
In on what the environment of the building is and
what the culture of this team is going to be. Like, yeah,
coaches do talk about bringing their culture and their brand
of ball, but I just feel like in listening to
what he had to say and reading what he had
to say, no, and Aaron Glenn I felt where he
was coming from. It's the right thing to say, and

(20:04):
it's the right approach to take, Like this team can
go a lot of different directions from here, and if
they're going to go up, it's got to start with
change in the culture in which the building is currently
running under.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Well, it has to start with the ownership group though,
like you can't change the culture of any organization, of
any company, of anything if at the very top they're
not willing to admit you got a problem, Like we've
got a culture issue. And that's part of the issue.
If you look at Woody Johnson and you look at

(20:38):
I mean some of the comments he's made. Now let Jonas,
I'll let you play that out, because there's some belly slappers,
Like there's some laughers in there. Aaron Glenn's coming from
an organization with the Ford family that realized we needed
to bring some in who could change up our culture.
Like that's what Detroit was, that's what they had been
for so long. And Aaron Glenn was able to be

(21:02):
there and be a part of a lot of that
change and witnessing a lot of that change and how
it works. So I said when they made the higher
at the time, I was like, this could be the
perfect timing for someone like Aaron Glenn because of his
experience and what he was just leaving.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
I mean, as much.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
As people want to look at the New York Jets
and try to call them a laughing stock in some
ways for how they've operated, the Lions weren't too far
from that too. I mean, the Jets have never had
an owen sixteen oh and seventeen season.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
The Lions have. You know, they've had.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
Dudes run out of the back of the end zone
like three yards deep, not knowing where the hell they're at.
I mean, yes, the Jets have the infants butt fumble,
but it's not I would say that running out of
the back of the en zone's worse. Something like you
have those low marks that are unforgettable. And that's where
you look at Aaron Glenn and say, Okay, he's been there,
He's witnessed some of those things take place, and now

(22:02):
he's able to say this is how you fix it.
But I mean the whole preaching of culture that it's
no different. Like every coach comes in and tries to
change the culture, tries to implement his own culture. The
reality is he's got to be able to persuade an
influence and make sure ownership understands they have a problem.

(22:24):
There's like loved ones, there's people in our lives. There's
people we know that sometimes you're witnessing something, you're like,
they have a problem and they don't know it, like
no one's brought it to their attention, or no one's
wanted to bring it to their attention, And they're never
gonna be able to fix what their issue is until
they're able to admit it, until they're able to actually say, like, yeah,
I need to change this in my life. Otherwise I'm
going down a bad path. I'm never going to be

(22:46):
as successful as I want to be, or I'm wasting
some of my talent. Like that's the Jets and so
hopefully Aaron Glenn can find a way of influencing what
he Johnson understand Like, if you really want to change
the cult, trait starts up top. It starts with how
Woody Johnson does things, and then it goes on down
from there. Get the hell out of the way, I mean,

(23:07):
that's all you really got to do. He doesn't have
to change who he is, just get the hell out
of the way. But maybe maybe there are some changes
he needs to make.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
I mean that change could be just getting getting away
the Lions turn around, do the job. The Lions turnaround
started with the front office saying we need help, and
that's when they brought in all those former players.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, all those guys.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
And it was like, let's repair the relationships we have
that had gone sour with there.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
When you say let's we do those things again, you're
you're talking about like, there's the there's the product on
the field, it's the players, but there's also you know
what Q is mentioning is the environment that's created by
the ownership, by the decision makers. So to me, it's

(23:56):
two separate Those are two separate conversations. When you're talking
about the culture that's created by the ownership, that if
that owner is around and he's creating an environment that's
toxic to to the workers there, not just the players
on the field, but everybody that's there. That's you're not

(24:17):
going to ever overcome that. You're not. So I'm saying,
you don't have to change as a person because more
often than not, I mean somebody like what he what
he Johnson's probably way too old to change the essence
of who he is as a person.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Just step away.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Just the real the reality of it is is that
you just step away and let them run the business.
Don't don't be standing over top of them. Don't be
doing things where you're undermining and superseding people's authority within
the building. Let them build the culture void of your influence.

(24:54):
That's what I'm saying. Like to me, it's it's we
could easily say, oh, well, what he can change and
he can be this way, and he can handle things
this way, and if he changes that and this that,
and there's so many what ifs in that, and he
might not even know, Like he's successful, so he might
not even know how to make those changes. It's like

(25:18):
he's gotten to where he is for a reason. He
is able to buy that team for a reason. Strong
chances are he's not going to change. The owners that
we've seen in the past, they don't change. They lose
their teams.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's what they do.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Or their teams continue to lose, you know, but they
don't change. So you don't have to change. Just step away,
give them. Aaron Glenn comes in and says that he's
basically issuing you, not anybody else. He's issuing wood. He
Johnson a direct challenge and through the media that just

(25:56):
step away and allow for this culture and this environment,
the building to be built up the right way you
want to be around. Have a different building, have an
ownership building, have a high up corporate entities building.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Y'all be over here.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
That's one of the things they did in DC.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
They separated things, and good for them because you don't
need to have all of that act like they have
full access, but you don't need to be leveraging what
you own, like, oh, I'm going to be constantly around
standing over top of the employees and doing this and
doing that.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You don't have to do that. You don't have to.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Do that because you have authoritative figures that are in
place in each one of the areas. Whether it be
the media, whether it be advertising in sales, whether it
be scouting, whether it be the players, whether it be
the coaches. You have people who are in charge. Let
them do their jobs. You see it playing out in

(26:58):
Dallas every single year. Every year. It's never going to change.
Jerry Jones, the Jones family, They're going to run that
team the way they run their team, that culture, the
way it is. It's never going to change while they're
in position. That's a lot of these teams. It's never
going to change. So if I'm Aaron Glenn, I think

(27:19):
he handled it the right way by issuing that you
know that piece of information so that Woody Johnson could
receive that information know that this is what it is.
And I'm personally challenging you the owner, whether it's you
changing your ways and being positive in the environment and

(27:40):
not meddling in things and undermining things, or just get
the hell away, whichever one it is, make that decision
so that we can try to start building the culture
of the team.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
And the challenge was accepted by Woody Johnson, who spoke
about Justin Fields as quarterback and said quote, I think
Justin Fields is going to be a total winner for us.
Been impressed with him since his college days. It was
him or Trevor Lawrence, and I think he's going to
be really good, which is great, except for the fact
that if it was him or Trevor Lawrence, why did

(28:11):
they take Zach Wilson over him in the draft when
they had the chance.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
You know what I mean, Like, Aaron Glenn's got no shot.
Nobody does. We've got twenty five.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
Years of a Sou's what set this segment was for
to basically say he's doomed already.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
Aaron Glenn, Robert Salah, all these guys have all had
the right thought, like the right they listen, we're doing
it for all the right reasons, Like there's we go
back to this point like Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick
or two of the greatest coaches of all time, and
both of them said, yeah, we're good here, and that

(28:48):
was early before we had any sort of intel on this.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I just have no faith.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
And what's most stunning about this whole thing is that
the one guy who was swimming against the notion that
the Jets could figure something out and have a positive
outlook and a positive season.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
With Aaron Rodgers there and.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
All that, the one guy who was pounding the table
for it's the Jets, it's the Jets their dysfunction was
LeVar Arrington. And yet what a year later, what now
you're saying there's hope with New York.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I did say there's hope. I didn't say there's hope.
What happened? What do you mean you you were the
one that was most negative about it, I said Aaron
Glenn said the right things.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
And Brady and are like, all right, we want to
smoke of that, Like you can hand that over.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I'm not gonna smoke when y'all smoking, but do it
on my own smoky sharing this you ain't put in
on this man.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
He got no shot.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
You could be right, but he's saying the right things.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
I mean, at the end of the day, just like
just like an ownership, like what are Johnson saying out
about Justin Fields? Gives him the ability to be like
it wasn't me. This guy was good. I said he
was good.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
He was good.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
We saw him on the matt and ratings. We thought
he was good. We think that he should have a
great career for the New York Jets.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
It's not my fault. That's the type of leadership you
want out an owner. That's the leadership you want.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
You want the guy who's gonna point the finger and say, hey, man,
I didn't make the pick Mike.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Just even the owner saying that, like, why are you
saying that, stay out of it. Just say say the
same exact say the same exact thing your coach is saying,
we're gonna fix this culture. Like I'm all the way
in with Aaron Glenn. He played for this team. I'm
all the way in with what his message is. Say
that you're talking about something Justin Field should be good

(30:36):
for us, Like he hasn't been good in the league yet,
and neither has Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Why is he gonna catch a string?

Speaker 5 (30:46):
I don't know he threw him in there. You're talking
about two dudes. I haven't taken their team nowhere. If
he made it to the playoffs, that's that's not true.
He made the playoffs. If you guys, that's nowhere. If
you guys own it, he went nowhere. If you guys
owned a professional team, would you meddal I'd be super positive, okay,

(31:07):
But would you like try and he What are we
doing here? If you own the team?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
No, you hire people to do like.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
I wonder what he does with you know, the other
companies that you know he's got that gets Johnson and
Johnson right. I wonder what he does with the Baby oil.
Does he got a situation with did he I mean
what so? So was it too soon for.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
That one of his best customers?

Speaker 6 (31:37):
I mean, you do know Lawrence won that game, right.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I don't care he's he's Trevor Well, I mean that's
not a great camp. Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
He hasn't done it.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I'm not great camp in them. I'm not.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
They're not their average quarterbacks. To me, one is average.
One is teetering on the the he could go below
the level of average.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I'm not budgeting on that one.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
I believe that so far Trevor Lawrence's career has been
a disappointment. Sorry, And if so, if you're saying, well,
you know, it was between I think he's going to
be great here for us, it was between Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
And if it wasn't Trevor Lawrence, it was justin Fields.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
I'm like, I'm looking at both of them and it's like,
neither one of them is changing my franchises. You know,
their chances of being an elite franchise, not the guy
I'm looking at today.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Sorry, Okay, sorry, if that's.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
The tough The tough part about this conversation is, you know,
Dak's only got two playoff wins in his career, right,
Adam to the list, Us kirk Cousins has one Adam
to the list. I'm just I'm saying, if you start
going to that list like Adam to the list, it
is an accomplishment, though, if you're part of a bag

(32:59):
of organization to get there to.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Actually win one.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
I'm sympathetic to being in a horrible situation and Trevor
Lawrence and Justin Fields going to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I understand that I do. But with that being.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Said, none of those names you just said fall outside
it like I put Dak Prescott and freaking Kirk Cousins
and level what they're like. Celess celebrities be at the
best like flirting with B list. Sorry, somebody gotta keep

(33:34):
it real. I wouldn't even I wouldn't even mention Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Lamar Jackson hasn't even done
what he needs to do, but at least he wins
league in VPS. He wins league MVPs. Josh Allen hasn't
done what he needs to do, but at least he
won a league in VP finally, and I we're not

(33:56):
even gonna go there with Patrick Mahomes or not. I'm
not even to go there with Patrick Mahomes. I look
at guys like Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence. I wouldn't
even begin to put them in the conversation with with
the upper echelent quarterbacks that are in the league right now,
they're not even in the same conversation. So if you're
bringing them in to be the starter of your team
and you already got one as the starter of your team,

(34:19):
and this is where they're at at this point in
their career, good luck.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
Here's the point that I think makes the most senses.
It's interesting that Woody Johnson talks about these other quarterbacks
in that draft class because he kind of skips over
the fact that he drafted Sack Wilson then. But it's
interesting that he brings them up because they were drafted,
as you pointed out, to dysfunctional organizations, which it wouldn't

(34:45):
have made any difference probably.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Where those guys went.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
Because they're going to such bad places, they're probably all
going to struggle. And that's kind of the delusional part,
is to think that like Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields
is going to come for your You're they're gonna fix
it like that's that's the wrong way. That's one of
the reasons why I get so this is why I
go to When you hear Aaron Glenn and say what
he's saying, I go, well, this is the same thing

(35:10):
that every coach says. And the reality is if he
can't convince Woody Johnson that it's a you problem, it's
it's your ownership, the way you run things, your culture,
your present like, it's a you problem if you can't
convince them of that. And it doesn't sound like Woody
Johnson understands that based on his comments, because he keeps
thinking they're like, oh, we're going to wait for Patrick

(35:31):
Mahomes to come along, all right, good luck, I'll see
in the next twenty years, thirty And that guy comes
along once in a lifetime. Tom Brady comes along once
in a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
By the way, people too, it would not work period.
You don't get that guy there.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
And and and and look maybe maybe maybe not.

Speaker 7 (35:49):
All I'm saying is and by the way, everyone got
Tom Brady wrong because everyone had a chance of drafting
him for the first six rounds, even the Patriots who
drafted someone before him. Everyone's act like, you know, Scott
Puley and everyone's like, oh, we figured. It's like, no,
you took him in the sixth round. He was your
second pick in that round if you thought so highly
of him winning taken in the first round. So the

(36:10):
reality is is Woody Johnson still doesn't seem to understand
that it's going to take more than just bringing in that
sort of talent anyway. You know, it's still a team sports,
still a team game. It's one of the reasons why
I do tend to think that, like when you're poop
pooing Trevor Lawrence. So far, he's done a lot in
an organization that really has not been good, but he's

(36:31):
still like like the Jets. The Jets would have killed
to have a you know, winning season, a playoff run
where you actually won a playoff game, and like with
Trevor Lawrence or in that time sphere, they would have
killed to have that.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
That's not the case.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Obviously not the case.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
It's sad that it falls on the players so often,
but it is what it is.

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Speaker 4 (37:03):
We turn it over to the man himself at the
old pe on X. He's the co host of the
Petro Some Money Show, which you can hear on this
seven l A Sports Yeah, Fox college football analyst and
our good buddy every single week, Petros Papadakis Pee.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
What's happening well, Pete?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
How come you guys aren't using the new Jello ball song?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I just don't feel like we should use any ball
song on you.

Speaker 10 (37:27):
Man, Guns up on my hip because of fear, like
law and honor? Why can't we.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Listen to law and order? Because they sound the exact same.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
So what's the.

Speaker 10 (37:36):
Difference you're talking about? Guns up on my hip because honor?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Why does he do gangster rat?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Pete?

Speaker 8 (37:43):
Like?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Why can't he do feel good music?

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Gino Hills is hard?

Speaker 10 (37:47):
You know what it's like to go to the seven
eleven and Chino Hills to buy yourself a.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Dal Pickles A very nice area if you ask me, oh, man,
very very nice.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
You got it.

Speaker 10 (37:58):
You can't go to the seven eleven and she knows
without the two guns use Really he's like a big
deal out there. Huh, I guess, I don't know. I mean,
but he does do gangster rap. It is a little
bit of a weird it's kind of a throwback. It's
kind of a nod to the nineties. But of course,
you know, there's like this whole thing on Twitter circulating

(38:21):
with Tupac where he doesn't seem very gangster at all.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
He's work.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
He didn't come from a very gangster background.

Speaker 10 (38:27):
No, he went to Juilliard, That's right. It's like, what
was what was I what was all this? When my
homies called him listening to when I was young and
I see him in a unitar doing an interview, it's
very interesting.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Well, a lot of people took shots at him for that.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
You know, hold on, hold on, Petres, what is this
story with that? I mean, you would be more up
to this than we would be.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
What do you mean? What do you mean? What do
I mean?

Speaker 8 (38:48):
Like?

Speaker 10 (38:49):
On Twitter there's a there's a whole interview with Tupac
wearing a unitar.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, it's like probably it's probably like a real picture too.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Oh no, it's a real interview.

Speaker 10 (39:00):
Yeah, And he just does not seem like a guy
in big pants that's like, you know, round and round
and round we go.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
No, he was a very very conscious, very uh pro
pro like you know, treat women good type type of guy.

Speaker 10 (39:16):
Came up and uh he came up and with the
band Digital Underground with us where he doesn't feel good,
which was a feel good that's correct.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
By the way, I go to type in Tupac on
Twitter and like different name came up. Yeah, it says
there's three options Tupac street art, Tupac gay, or Tupac smiles.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Jupac gay one.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Okay, that's what we're talking about. See what it is.
That's very interesting.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah, I ever heard a story that Michael Jackson was
about to beat Tupac's ass out front of a.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Club one time. Petros It actually pulled that video up.
Good call.

Speaker 10 (39:52):
See there it is see his unitar I did not
hear that he was going to fight Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
You never heard that.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
No.

Speaker 10 (39:58):
I remember when we were kids a there was going
to be a dance off between mc hammer and Michael Jackson. No,
that would have been interesting, and that was going to
be that was Michael and that was gonna be the
the all second.

Speaker 7 (40:11):
Hold on, why did you say Michael mc hammer's got
no shot in that dance.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Off, zero shot.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Why Brown would have touched him though.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, Hell no, Chris Brown, I'm sure either.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
No Chris Brown will put Michael Jackson in the no,
no pun intended crazy, he'd send him away.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I will not blasphere. I could.

Speaker 10 (40:33):
I should hang up and let you guys talk about
the Cleveland quarterback situation.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I will not have he I mean, don't do that.
Be this is a situation. Chris Johnson handle that.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Chris Johnson, the running back.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Then, No, no, no, Chris Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Chris the gangster that does the street art. Chris Brown.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I mean he does all kinds of art. He could
multi talented.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
He could not outdance Michael Jackson. Hell no, no one ever.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Ast yours on that.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Well, I don't see it. It's ever gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
So hold on. Elvis Presley, like Jackson, not there either.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
We're talking about a dance off.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Now.

Speaker 10 (41:13):
If you guys, if you guys ever figured like why
Elvis is popular.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Because he's saying black people's music.

Speaker 10 (41:19):
Hell my god in heaven, dude, watch Elvis live in
a Loha stadium and tell me.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Tell me that Elvis. Why Elvis is a star? I
mean Elvis.

Speaker 10 (41:32):
Watch Elvis perform, and don't sit here and tell me, oh,
well he appropriated this or that.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Elvis was a golden god of gold American.

Speaker 10 (41:43):
Musical performance, and really so was Michael Jackson mc hammer
just looked like Hank Aaron and was a batmoy.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
For the open hand. Chuck, that's what he got.

Speaker 10 (41:54):
With you, Chuck, d oh well, Look it's a clever
rap lyric, but.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
You Chuck's disagreeing with you all over the place.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
That's all I'm trying to tell you, Petro, I.

Speaker 10 (42:06):
Enjoy public enemy myself. But and I had fear of
a black planet as a young man, and I still
fear a black planet.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Do you fear it? But absolutely?

Speaker 5 (42:15):
I mean we're on Fox Sports Radio, so y'all could
get it all out, like, let's get it out, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Like, but I will not take Elvis flash for me
if you want.

Speaker 10 (42:22):
You got to see Elvis and his cape in his
jumpsuit with his big beautiful diamond.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
I was in his uh. I was in his penthouse
suite at the what hotel was that? What hotel is that?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
That?

Speaker 5 (42:35):
His His penthouse is there. They got the statue of
him Vegas, Vegas. Should he just toilet man?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
His that? You know what, that's not fun. You know
a lot of people die because they're addicted to polls.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Just use the bathroom. He's gotta go, you gotta go.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Tang.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
Someone exploited the grace story, Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 10 (42:55):
Elvis died on the toilet, Brady Dang, he did, Yes,
she died.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
I'm sorry, Petrouss. I didn't research how Elvis died, all right,
Like I knew he was dead.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
There's just kind of common knowledge.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Some people don't accept that.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
And you know what, everyone knows Elvis died on the toilet.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Yes, I mean, while we're at it, people don't think
Elvis is dead or Tupac.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
By the way, By the way, you know there's somewhere
movie hee. I'm looking up his outfit from a Loja stadium.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
That is sweet.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Look at that pinky ring. Look at that.

Speaker 10 (43:26):
Do you think the rappers came up with wearing all
the gold and looking sweet?

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah? Hold on, hold on, hold on now, hold on,
don't do that.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
Brock says, that's debatable whether or not it's fairly common knowledge.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Just letting you know, what do you mean?

Speaker 10 (43:40):
Grock says, it's debatable something that that happened before groc existed.
It's gonna tell me what's debatable or not. Yes, everybody
knows he died on the toilet. Everybody. Not everybody, but yes,
some people.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
It's the patient. It was because he took too many pills.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Some some would say that that's debatable. That's all right, fine.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Can I now you know? And knowing is half the battle?
Can I? Jim Morrison also died on the toilet.

Speaker 10 (44:05):
But yeah, in a Paris club that came out a
few years back, they tried to say he died in
the bathtub, you know, look at all cool and shade
a shaven like the movie. But he died with a
heroin needle in his arm.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Club man, it's too bad. That's pretty before bedeys.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Before bedays. This is nothing but misinformation.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
All day Bordays are old, like those are just as
old as toilet seats. They might be you say, Boorday, Borday, Bordeaux,
but day whatever, But day it was a type of
fresh wine. I don't give a damn day Bordeaux. You know, Tyson,
the thing that shoots water.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
And we give it out anything accurate in this interview
thus far, I have Petro.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Not not that Michael Jackson would out dash Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
That's for dude.

Speaker 10 (45:00):
Michael Jackson would wipe the floor with Chris Brown. No way,
he would send Chris Brown back to his set tripping group.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
No way.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
If you want to tell you what, James Breeden, but
no way, James Brown. Brown would not win either.

Speaker 10 (45:15):
Well, James Brown and Hammer were connected. Remember then the
two Legit to Quit video. They were on there together
calling each other Godfather and God's son and mc hammer
was going to out dance Michael Jackson.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
That was going to be the face off.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
You Chris and Michael Jackson. They that James Brown was
the hero of Prince and Michael Jackson.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Well, James Brown.

Speaker 10 (45:38):
James Brown is very interesting because if you listen to
like a lot of his music, like he was a
task master, Like his band was so tight and if
they made any mistake, like he would destroy them. There
is a some great video of James Brown performing at
like the Santa Monica Civic Center way back in the

(45:58):
day with his sweet hair cut and yeah, he could
dance as well as he could also get.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Riled up and lead the police on a high speed chase.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
He could, he could, and yeah he was, he.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Was, he was really something else.

Speaker 10 (46:13):
But him and him and Hammer were kind of coming
as like a like a dual threat against Michael Jackson
in in our time.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
By the way, wasn't that that high speed chase?

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Wasn't he like all twazzled out on whatever he was
taking at the time.

Speaker 10 (46:28):
And he did look I mean to say that he
looked a little bit uh and uh, he looked a
little bit Uh.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
I would say he looked compromised. Photo. Yeah, he in
his photo, he did look under the influence of something. Yeah,
twaggled out, I guess was a good way to put it.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Tyash, you a sports question.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Sure, I'm here. I went out last night and had
a couple of drinks.

Speaker 10 (46:55):
Where'd you go to the Red Onion on top of
the hill drink right under the big Matt Liner jersey
or my favorite?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yes, I appreciate my invite. You know I am right
down the street from you. Anymore like, did.

Speaker 6 (47:06):
You send Matt a photo of yourself drinking while into
the jersey? Or now?

Speaker 3 (47:09):
I don't think we text.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
I don't think we text interesting. You don't text me,
but you know, it's nice. Nice to know that my neighbor,
you know, that's my I.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Was up there, my friend, the real estate dad, took
me up there.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
We were talking culture and Aaron Glenn came out and said,
you know, we're not talking super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
That's the Jets coach.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
The Jets coach and just came Detroit line. That's correct,
that's correct. All right.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
I'm just curious without it even being connected, you know,
like kind of specific when you have you ever been
in a dysfunctional organization? Like have you ever been around
dysfunction where the dysfunction comes from the people that own
it or or run it, like from the top top?
Like what's your take on on culture? Like is it well,

(48:00):
you feel like it's legit that that Aaron Glenn can
actually change the culture where he's at in a place
where culture seems to be the reason why they don't
want was.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
That fifteen forty p Was that just describing the.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
That I worked for?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
What's that dysfunction from the top?

Speaker 3 (48:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (48:18):
I mean it was a company that was owned the
Sporting News Radio.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
You know, I think it's interesting.

Speaker 10 (48:24):
I think it's a really interesting question because I didn't
really figure out, you know, what that meant, you know,
as far as all the way institutional support for a
football program, because I'm a college football guy, I didn't
really know what that meant until I went to start
doing Oklahoma games when Bob Stoops was the coach and

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they had Joe Castiglione, that's the name, Brady, I think.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
The athletic director that was That was athletic director, Yeah, and.

Speaker 10 (48:55):
They I forget the name of the university president. But
I mean, you just got a feeling that, Okay, all
these people work together as one, like this program is
supported from the top and the bottom, and.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Everybody's kind of holding it up.

Speaker 10 (49:11):
And that's I think why Lincoln Riley was able to
kind of move in there and continue to have kind
of similar success that Bob Stoops was having when Lincoln
was the OC, because they had such a great support system.
And you get that idea. It's not really a definable thing.
It's just something you feel when you're there, or something

(49:32):
that you notice covering a team. And then I thought
back to the different places I've been and different things
that I've seen, and the dysfunction is kind of glaring
once you see when it's functional and how it works.
Like you get into a meeting with a head coach
and he starts complaining about the way the athletic tricor is.

(49:55):
You get in a meeting with the running back coach
and they complain about the OC or the head coach.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yes, I've been part of.

Speaker 10 (50:02):
All kinds of dysfunction, and it's very difficult to do
as a head coach to change the culture if the
if the people on top of you aren't supporting you,
and how it works at the pro level is probably
a lot different. But at the same time, I think
a head coach has a lot to do with the

(50:24):
tone that's set, but ultimately long term success, that guy.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Of course has to be supported from above.

Speaker 10 (50:32):
Now, the guy that owns the Jets is the band
aid guy, right, Johnson and Johnson.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Baby oil this morning, he's the baby oil gay.

Speaker 10 (50:41):
Well, he's got to be suffering now that diddies in
jail not by it.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Oh yeah, he was moving baby oil bottles.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Oh boy, But I.

Speaker 10 (50:52):
I I don't know. It feels like, you know, people
say these things about franchises for years, like oh my god,
they have no chance. They suck because their ownership sucks.
What people always say that about the Browns, right, people
always say that about the Bengals and trying to figure

(51:14):
stuff out.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
But am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
No, you're not, You're not.

Speaker 10 (51:19):
You know, I mean so, I mean, and people say
that about the Jets. Yeah, well for a long time,
people say it about the Chargers. They said, oh, the
old man doesn't spend any money, and this and that,
and and maybe it's true, I mean, and and but
you can spend a lot of money and suck too.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I mean, look at Texas A and M.

Speaker 10 (51:35):
They got the biggest nil and then it's never I mean,
it hasn't translated into championships or anything like that for them.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
So it is kind of interesting.

Speaker 10 (51:44):
To, uh, to look at it like that, to look
at the very very top. It's not as much fun
as is breaking down running backs and quarterbacks. But you know,
the reason most franchises, most places don't can't keep sustained
success is because they don't have the support from above.
But like Robert Kraft seems like a great owner, right,

(52:05):
I mean, other than going to the old whack house,
it seems.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Like you knows, I mean, I feel like that should
make him more relatable in some cases.

Speaker 10 (52:12):
Right, I mean yeah, but it's like that place, you know,
a strip mall. I mean, you own an NFL team, dude,
you know. I mean, but it just it feels like,
you know, even.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
He harm you know, that's that's kind of what you
have there in South Florida, a lot of strip malls
where the places reside.

Speaker 10 (52:27):
Well, I get it, but he still owns you know,
does that mean he has to go in there? I
mean just because Donald's is there, does that mean I
have to go into the drive through.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
And get a big Mac?

Speaker 7 (52:36):
Do you think no one will believe an NFL owner
is in this place? Do you think that was maybe
what he was thinking. He's like kinda like it's so
out in the open, and they're like, no one would
actually suspect this, Like they would think exactly what you're thinking.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Hiding and playing side. Yeah exactly. Now turnover please, mister Kraft,
thank you.

Speaker 10 (52:57):
Orchards of Asia, Yeah, that's right, spot, that's right, Bobby Orchids.
I believe Jennifer that was in one of those places
once and there was like a raid and he hid
under the table and made it out the back amazing moment.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Made it out alive, Petros. The Doyers have lost three
in a row and four or five it's over. Are
the Panic Bros. Out in full force?

Speaker 10 (53:25):
I feel like, yeah, well, it's just annoying because everybody
was talking about this as a flawless team.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
They're not going to lose at all. When will they lose?

Speaker 10 (53:36):
They might lose in July, and then in their very
first road trip they lose two series in a row.
And one of the big issues with the Dodgers and
this happened last year and then eventually in August they
just got him off the spot. But Mookie Bets at
shortstop is an amazing thing as to why they do

(53:56):
it and why they placate him to allow him to
do it. He's one of their best players. He'd be
their best player if it wasn't for Shoe Otawi. He's
one of the faces of Major League Baseball. But the Dodgers,
and I'm not like a seam head over here, but
the Dodgers have four guys that are better at shortstop
than Mookie Bets, not one guy Tommy Edmond, who should

(54:20):
be doing it every day, not two guys Miguel Rojas,
who's really really good fielding shortstop, and that's why you'd
have him on a team. Keyk Hernandez is a better shortstop,
and Chris Taylor. So there's four guys on the Dodger
roster that plays shortstop better than Mooki Betts. But he
insists on playing shortstop. And it's freaking a circus out there,

(54:44):
errors and mistakes. And if Freddy Freeman's not there at
first base, he's hurt right now.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
He fell in the shower of all things.

Speaker 10 (54:52):
You know, he's not there to be a vacuum and
suck up all Mookie's bad throws.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
So it is kind of a glaring thing.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
And it happened last year too, and by August they
got Muki back into right field, or.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Maybe he'll be in second base.

Speaker 10 (55:07):
But uh, that's their biggest problem right now is that
Mookie Bets is at shortstop.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I mean, he shouldn't be. And why he does it, I.

Speaker 10 (55:15):
Guess is because Shoe a Otani is there and show
Hey is such a big deal. Mookie playing shortstop makes
him more important, I guess in his own mind. I
don't get it, but it's something they're gonna have to
fix and without bruising his ego too much.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
Petro's alost switch gears a little bit. Just talk to
you about the whole house and safe settlement. I don't
know if you follow it, if you're.

Speaker 10 (55:38):
Curious to say, in Ching torn A settlement, is that
what's going on?

Speaker 6 (55:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Tell me.

Speaker 7 (55:45):
Uh, there's the judges basically requested that they review roster
limits and potentially look at that, and there's a couple
of the things that I think she's concerned with. It's
hard to follow via Twitter because you hear people who
are like, oh, oh, this judge is gonna crush them.
They this whole thing's get thrown out. Then your other
people who are like, actually the judge is looking at

(56:06):
one are two or three things they're trying to change.
The bigger question is with this settlement, do you think
there's a world here in a year or two where
the NCAA doesn't exist? Just with how this whole thing's going.

Speaker 10 (56:19):
Well, that's kinda that's kind of where it's been going
for a while now, right. I mean, what is the
purpose of the NC Double A when the College Football
Playoff is not an NC Double A trophy? The biggest
NC Double A moneymaker is college football, and the NC
Double A does not administer how they give out their championship, Like,

(56:44):
that's not an NC Double A trophy that they give out.
That's why the tournament is such a big deal still
to the NC DOUBLEA tournament because it is. I mean,
that's why the tournament is such a big deal to
the NC DOUBLEA because it is the NC DOUBLEA tournament
and it's a huge money maker for them. So and

(57:05):
the NCAA's lost most of their teeth in the last
ten years. You know, they're not able to put penalties
on people. People might just ignore them. They weren't able
to enforce their transfer rules, so they just let everybody
transfer and move all over the place. They are not
able really to keep the amateur status of the way

(57:28):
athletes used to perform under their banner for so many years.
So that's a really good question to ask, Brady. It's
like you sit there and say, well, what does this
thing even exist for if what we're doing here is
basically professional sports.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I am not up on the way the trial or
the way the settlement or the way.

Speaker 10 (57:49):
It's moving through whatever government body that it's moving through.
But I would say, and I've envisioned this for many
many years. Title nine, which was very progressive and very
good at the time to create more women's sports. Title
nine is going to be a big stumbling block and
how people interpret Title nine is going to be a

(58:11):
very big obstacle for getting revenue sports people paid properly
by the school that's making billions of dollars off them,
Because you are going to have the women's volleyball team
Liberro demanding money and they're going to take that to
court and I don't know how that's going to work out,
or maybe that's already been worked out.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
In this it's like you said, it's kind of hard
to follow. But to me, I think you're right.

Speaker 10 (58:37):
The relevance and the need for an actual NCAA in
big time sports where money is being made is.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Yeah, probably by the wayside.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Bye bye.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Petros Papadakiz the co host of the Petros and Money Show,
which you can hear on the blowtors Am five to
seventy LA Sports Fox College Football Analyst tomorrow, p We're
doing it.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Oh yes, thank you, four hours of great sports doc.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Why y'all never ask me pee?

Speaker 3 (59:08):
You want to come and do four hours from four
to three to seven.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
LaVar, you never asked me.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
You want to come churn your knees.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
You've never asked me.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
You want to get on the sports talk Cibex machine.
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
You've never asked me. I'm just saying, you know, you
never know if you don't ask pe.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I have asked you.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
No, you asked me to come in person one time,
and I was going to come. I just was out
of town, that's all.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Maybe next time, p maybe, maybe we'll go catch a pop.
You know, when you're sitting under Matt Liner's jersey, you know,
and Reggie's and Reggie Sam Cunningham.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Is Reggie still suing USC? I'm sure he is.

Speaker 10 (59:49):
Okay, Like Reggie is like a chef that's got like,
you know, eight or nine lawsuits going at the same time.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
He's very litigious. You know, you wake up for five
or see so many people. I don't know. I mean
for some, it's very natural. H M interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Uh, Pee, We appreciate it, and we'll do it again
next week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Guns up on my hip because it feels like law
and order. Yeah. Great.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Petrus Papavegas with us here on Fox Put Radio.