April 14, 2025 • 53 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Rory McIlroy completes the Grand Slam with a win at The Masters. Huge controversy in college football as Tennessee parts ways with quarterback Nico Iamaleava after he and his father tried to bargain for more NIL money. And the NFL is smart to avoid hitching a Christmas Day game to the Chiefs.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and with lamar As
rating Winn and Jonas Knox on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Var did you did you have a chance to watch
any of the Masters?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yes, I have a chance to watch. Of course I
had a chance to watch it.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Yes. The answer to that is yes.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
So the next question is.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Did you no No? Yeah, I mean I saw the highlights. Yeah,
you know, I saw the highlights. But no, I tend
to want to keep my record year to year, you know,
from the Masters or pretty much any other golf tournament
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that takes place. I have a zero I've watched it
record so far. I don't want to break it, you know,
just okay, I want to break it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And you can represent that portion of our fan base. Uh,
but we do have to cover some of the major events.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
And you know what, you haven't heard me give you
one problem.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I looked at the rundown, no problems like yeah, yeah,
just don't expect me to be too much.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Of a participant.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And what took place, that's all but shot wor worrit
to McElroy.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You know, yeah, good for him. He was an under
armour guy, right or still is?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Actually no, I'm not sure. I think you think of
Jordan Speed.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah he's there, you never mind.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, Rory has been Nike I believe for the entirety,
And in fact, Nike rolled out a pretty dope commercial
shirtle Well, it's not just that. Like the commercial they
rolled out right after he won was pretty sweet. It
was basically him as he was a young Irish lad
watching Tiger, watching Tiger have all this success everything else.
(01:55):
They showed it, uh, the famous chipping into his his
washing in his house. They showed some clips of that stuff,
which was something that he actually did. He did it
on a game show when he was very young. But
they showed all of that, and that kind of builds
up to this moment where he finally gets to the
tea box to get to play with Tiger Woods. So
almost the way of Nike saying like, hey, this is
(02:17):
a passing of the torch, if you will, from Tiger
to Rory. Now that Rory's been able to complete the
Grand Slam as well, Tiger Wood's being one of the
six players in golf history to ever do it, So Lee,
if you wouldn't mind, let's hear from Rory McElroy after
his big win there in the Butler cabin at Augusta.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
It feels incredible. This is my seventeenth time here, and
I started to wonder if it would ever be my time,
and I think, you know, the last ten years coming
here with the burden of the Grand Slam on my
shoulders and trying to achieve that. I'm sort of wondering
what we're all going to talk about going in the.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Next year's pastors.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But I'm just absolutely honored and thrilled. I'm just so
proud to be able to call myself a master show.
When I hit the wedgshot into the creek, I'm thirteen,
you know. I felt like I did a really good
job of bunting back from that on the you know,
the double boogie at the first as well. But I
was really nervous going on, and it was almost as
if the double bogie at the first calm my nerves
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a little bit and the sort of cut me into
it in a funny way. And I just think all
week how I responded two setbacks. I think that's what
I'll take from this week, and you know, couldn't be
more proud of myself for that. And I'm being able
to bounce back when I needed.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
To You know, it's interesting for those who follow golf,
for follow Roy Macroy's career. If you watched eighteen and
when he missed the putt four parr, you thought, here
we go again. Uh, maybe it's gonna be elusive, maybe
he won't be able to do it. And there probably
were some moments throughout the round where you might have
thought that. But for most of those who followed golf,
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you gotta be happy for Rory in particular because when
the tour needed someone to put really them on their
back and represent them in a way, to carry the
flag for them, especially during the time of which there
was somewhat of an exodus to live tour, Ry McCrory
did that, and he really was the player that could
have profited big time. I mean we're talking hundreds of
(04:11):
millions of dollars by going over to the Live tour,
and instead he stayed loyal to the PGA Tour. He
continued to compete, he continued to talk about the differences
in between the two and why he didn't want to
do it. Was very outspoken about it, and that actually
even played a factor in the round as well as
obviously Bryson D. Chambeau who came into the day in
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second place after an incredible third round. But you could
tell there's a little bit of tension between the two.
I mean, obviously both players trying to win, and Bryson
d Schambeau didn't put together the day he wanted to.
But let's see it from Bryce and d Chambeau on
just maybe some of the emotions or lack of emotions
and any conversation between the two.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Did you speak to him in that how's he doing? Is?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
You know? No idea?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And it didn't talk to me once all day?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Could you try and initiate conversation with your riet on
I wouldn't talk to me.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I don't know if this win for Rory not only
does it cement him in his legacy in golf, but
also as we kind of look at golf as a whole,
if it's gonna lead to now maybe there's a bit
of a rivalry between these two, which would be a
great thing for golf. I think it's something that's been
missing maybe for a little bit to some degree now
that you have to live toward the PGA Tour, you
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might get some more of this in some of the majors,
but you could see, you could sense there was some
tension there between the two. Unfortunately, again Bryson really dropped back,
so it wasn't like Rory was playing Bryson per se.
It was almost the rest of the field that he
was trying to stay ahead of and and beat. Either way,
it was interesting to watch. For those of you that
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did watch it could kind of feel some of that
tension out there. But uh, let's get the rest of
business out of the way with the masters, because clearly, LeVar,
we can't keep talking about this topic if you're.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Knocking up our curious Let's see how long you can
carry it for.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Like I could do a solo show on a Buddy.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Show three hours talking this.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, there's a lot of Difflet's do it. Let's see,
let's see if you can do it well. We've we've
got a lot of other you get paid to get involved.
We got a lot of other topics that to get
to today too. Leave the hat draw. If I'm not mistaken,
you got Rory McRoy from the hat draw. Of course
I got Rory had draw get him, you get him.
(06:26):
I've been killing it with the hat draws lately.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Yeah, I got Florida for the championship and uh rory
for the masters. Feeling really good about the hat draws
here fellas.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Who else did the rest of us have that they
don't even come close?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
No, not really, especially on our second drawing we did. Uh,
we did not do good. Nobody picked up Justin Rose
even though he was in the hat. Of course, on
the second day we had Scheffler, Schoffley, Marikawa. None of
those guys got I think we had a top ten
and there was Shawffley. Yeah. Uh, what else did we have?
(06:59):
So we had Day Larina had Jason Day. Where did
he finish?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Second day?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
That was your second day, mighty market, mighty market pick
for you.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, and then he didn't work out for you winning
joined the club, buddy.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
We also had u We had Scottie Scheffler, like we
had mentioned, that was the problem for the next highest
for for Jodas, we had Ludwig Auburg. Ludwig Auburg for
for LeVar was probably is the second.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Highest, okay.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And then for the record, for that's worth, Quinn's wins
did go three for five. Had Scheffler to win obviously
didn't win. He met that also miss he got finished fourth.
So lost, you know, one hundred bucks ten bucks on
the show. Though this could have been the one for Rory.
You did say it. I will so that that one
I actually bet as a top ten finish. But to
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your point, I did give out the odds for it,
said if you want to, that'd be the other one.
I'd go to win it. So depending on how you
look at it, that was at minus one forty, so
that was a hit I hit with Shaffley. Shoffley finished
in the top ten, so that would have been plus
two hundred, so you would have been a nice little
payout there. Colin Moore, a cow, I hit four plus
(08:16):
what excuse me, minus one seventy for a top twenty finish.
So all in all, if you had listened to it,
you would have won one hundred and thirty bucks from
the UH from all five bets. So again, miss can't
Ley too. I think I had him in the top
twenty finish. He ended up trying for thirty sixth, but
nevertheless could have won some money, could have won a
little bit money of money out of that. But golfing, gambling,
(08:39):
golf is kind of hard and yet it can kind
of be easy at the same time. If you know,
like some of the best players.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
I guess, Yeah, it was tough to see Ludwig with
that triple bogie on eighteen too.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
That was that was tough for you.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That was tough I was ritting for. Yeah, golf is
I kind of I kind of compare golf to gymnastics.
Think when my wife competed, like everyone wants to see
all the girls do well, like they hate seeing people fall.
In my mind, like when I would be watching and
my wife was competing, I'm like, no, I'm rooting for
(09:12):
other people to fall because like my wife's competing, like
I know that's good for her if they're falling.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So like I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It wasn't like I was like, oh, you know, like
I wasn't sad. I was like, oh, that's come on,
Like let's let's get this thing going. We need to
go win this gold. We're gonna win something here. So
that's that's the one thing about golf. It's kind of similar.
People don't want to see guys play poorly. Especially on eighteen.
It was a huge crowd. You could kind of sense
that like people are like felt bad, like they just
want to get this guy off the course.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Dang, Yeah, that's kind of rude.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I mean, I'm just being honest, though, you're.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
A savage for the gymnastics thing.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
By the way, well, I want to hurt themselves.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm just saying you're still a savage though. I mean
you could.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You're telling me what the US is up there when
the US is competing, you don't. You're you're not like
rooting for the US, You're rooting against everyone else.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I want them, I want them to do well.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I do watch gymnastics too, by the way, I'm really
big into that. UH, but any any sport I like
to see people compete, I don't I don't necessarily look
at it from the standpoint.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Of I hope they fall.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
It's kind of fed up, but I definitely here get
it though.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Here's the tough part about gymnastics, not to get off
on a complete tangent. Start value is huge. So there's
start value and execution. So for some of the UH participants,
their start value is so high even with poor execution
meaning they fall, fall or mess up or leave stuff out,
they can still beat other people who do a flawless routine.
(10:47):
So you almost need them if they're going to fall, right, Yeah,
you basically need them to mess up if you're going
to have other people beat them. So anyway, just peeling
back the curtain a little bit. I'm competitive, man.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
That's what that you're You are competitive, dude, Bro, that
is for certain.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I like it. Yeah, I mean I feel bad if
half step I'll tell you that. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Speaking of half step, congratulations bro, like you hit fourteen.
You you carried Rory for fourteen and golf for fourteen.
So well go first, and golf enthusiasts, take a give
a give a round of applause. Q take a bow man,
because if you could go three hours doing that, wow,
(11:33):
bless it doesn't sound like you would you would slow
down either, by the way, So.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
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Speaker 2 (11:54):
For those that don't follow college football or can't pronounce
the name, I just want to call Himnick. Oh that's
cool too. He was Tennessee starting quarterback last year and
probably most famous for signing a gigantic nil deal on
the way into college at the University of Tennessee. Reportedly,
(12:14):
it was like eight million dollars a deal about two
million per year, something like that. We never know the
true details because well, there's no transparency in college football
and there's a lot of other issues. Some of those
issues came up just this past week, before Tennessee's spring game,
nico Io Maliava decided he wasn't going to play and
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he wanted to renegotiate what he was being paid for
this upcoming season. Now, according to reports, niko Ia Malaiava,
his family, his representation, whoever you want to point the
finger at, He was scheduled to make two point four million,
but they were asking for four million. In their way
of leveraging the University of Tennessee to do this, was saying,
(12:56):
we're not going to play in the spring game, so
let's I should hear the words of their head coach
there at Tennessee, Joshipel before the spring game, Lee, coach Hoppel,
you wrap up spring practice today. Obviously, lots of attention,
a lot of people want to know what's the status
of your quarterback room as you've worked through today.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Yeah, we got two guys in that room.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Excited watch them go play.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
They've had a really good spring, they've grown throughout it.
Excited about getting out, having a chance today, get out
in front of our fans and our guys go compete today.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What has the last forty eight hours been like in
dealing with that man?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Listen, it's the state of college football. At the end
of the day. No one's ever bigger than the program
that includes me too, And we got an opportunity. We
got a bunch of guys are gonna get their all
for Tennessee, and we moved forward.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Got a great group.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Let's go compete. So there's Josh Hipel giving us two
cents on it. Right, No one person's bigger than the program.
And I think those are words that probably some Tennessee
volunteers fans are excited to hear. There are probably words
that some of the boosters who helped fork over the
cash to pay niko I Maliava are excited to hear too,
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not allowing a young man to basically holding them ransom.
And I think most people who are Tennessee fans would
tell you there was a lot to be desired based
on his play last year. And there's reports that he
supposedly tried to do this, And I shouldn't say he
could be his family, could be his agent. I've got
more on this that where I think it's more maybe
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his representation. But he tried to do this before the
playoff last year, tried to leverage again the system and
the amount of money he was being paid before the
playoff game, threating to not playing the playoff game if
he wasn't compensated more compensated additionally to what he was
already being paid. So this is the state of college
football of bar and this is how things are working out.
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You now have a young man who's put his name
in a transfer portal. The University of Tennessee has moved on,
some would say rightfully. So I'm not sure there's too
many people who are being empathetic to the player in
this instance. You know they're hoping things work out. But
just give me your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You know, we talked about this on Saturday and it
turned into a pretty passionate conversation. I mean, for me,
my takeaway from it stems maybe beyond the player themselves,
himself because this now marks.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
A new.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's a new approach, or it's now out there this
approach Like okay, if you were to take a list
of all the players who have done what Nico has
done around the country at some of these top schools,
I think people might be blown away if there was
(15:47):
a true list of the players that have maybe tried
to do this. And so for Hypeel to come out
and basically say or not doing it, like we're not
doing it this way, it now has to open up
the conversation.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Of what are moving forward, what.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Are going to be the rules of engagement, because I
think it's going to this thing is going to get
worse before it gets better without there being any more
real organization connected to what's taking place. Like we joked
about it the other the other week and talking about
anyone can represent these guys at this level. There's no
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real you know, monitoring or you don't have to pass
a test to represent the kid. So you know, now
the question comes into play, is this is this somebody
ruining the kid's opportunity and ruining his career because they
see dollar signs for themselves in this opportunity. You know,
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it's it's sad to think that that is a harsh
reality that has always been connected to sport when thinking
about some of the backgrounds and areas that some of
these young men come from. So to me, when I
saw the news and I heard the news, you know,
it just makes me start thinking like, it's a sad
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state of affairs right now in my estimation, because these
are going to be the stories that continue to come out,
and these are going to be the stories that start
to dominate college football and maybe even college sports. And
I just wonder how long how much time is it
going to take for there to be a realization and
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understanding that one While knowing that I believe it's a
good thing to be able to pay the players, you know,
that are generating money for the university, I have no
issues with it.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But I think we're starting to get.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Away from the idea that going to college is an
institution of learning and and it just seems as though
education is being put so far in the in the
rear view and the periphery that it becomes a little
you know, disturbing and and and that was one of
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the first things I thought about, like, what are you going.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
To school for?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Are you going to school to just make money or
are you going to school to build your your mind,
build your community. I don't think that there has to
be necessarily one or the other. Q. I just think
that now that we had this happened, it's it's going
to open the floodgates to now coaches got a man
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up or not man up, Like it's either we got
to find a way to keep the kid here or
we're not going to be held hostage by any kid
and we're going to get rid of them. And then
what does that mean? You know, how does that play out?
Because one of these kids, some of these kids, they
are good enough. Some of these kids they do they
do project out where you'd say, I don't want to
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lose this kid, but can we afford to pay them
this amount of money?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
So I just think that the lack of structure and.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
The lack of preparedness to getting to this point in
college athletics and seeing how the lack of structure and
the lack of preparation to me from the governing body,
I just think that it's a sad It's a sad
story until we start seeing, you know, solutions that are
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are brought to the forefront that could actually maybe begin
to stabilize the rules and the regulations of how you
engage and how you do things and how contracts are done.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
It's just going to I think.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
There's going to be more and more sad stories that
come out because for what is worth Q, this is
a sad story. This is a sad story for that
young man. It's a sad story for Tennessee's program, and
it's a sad story for college sports if you ask me, Yeah.
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should be. There's a lot of layers to this.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
The first one, aside from everything you just said, was
how Tennessee actually found out about this. Tennessee initially was
informed that Nico Iomaliava, his agent and his family whoever's
all behind the scenes as far as his party, if
you will, was sniffing around for nil deals. Dan Lanning,
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the head coach at Oregon, reportedly was who tipped off
Josh Heipel that the representation from Nico Imaliava was sniffing
around for a better ANIL deal. Like that's the wild part.
And by the way, kudos to Dan Lanning for stepping
up being a man in forming another coach this crap
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was going on, because this is the only way in
the current structure, but this can actually work, is if
other coaches are able to hold each other accountable and say, hey, man,
I would want this to happen to me. And so
just so you know, like, this is what this kid's doing,
this is what his family, this was representations doing. And
again I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Put all in the kid because it could be the
sad thing that somebody else is doing it on his behalf.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Right, sure, hold on, let's let me finish. There's an
agent that's a part of this. Obviously, there's the family
that's a part of this. But I will say this,
when you're twenty years old, all right, we ask young
men and women at eighteen years old to go serve
our great country. And if we're asking them to be
able to make that decision work, we're asking them and
we're really putting them in charge of some incredible responsibilities.
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I also think we need to stop acting like these
young people aren't capable too of making decisions and understanding
how this is going to impact them and understanding how
this looks like. We're not getting them to understand at
any point time. He's been at Tennessee now for years,
we're not getting him to understand you made a commitment,
like you signed it, you agreed to it, and by
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the way, you haven't necessarily outperformed it. Like I understand,
there's probably a time and in place in professional sports
where a player signs a contract, he performs it, and
then he wants a new one. This is not that,
This is not that. I don't think any Tennessee volunteer
tier fan would say he exceeded our expectations based on
the hype coming in, what he was signed for and
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what he was producing, what he was doing so in
no part, in no way, shape or form, and by
putting this all on him. But you're also not naive either,
Like you've grown up in an era where like you
know this stuff is coming around, you know how this works,
you understand how this is going to impact you, and
there's an element of like, hey, you're still the player. Like, ultimately,
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at the end of the day, you still make the decision,
even as a twenty year old to put on your helmet,
go out there and say, I'm still going to participate
in the spring game. We'll figure this out after the fact.
I'm still going to honor my commitment. We'll figure this
out at some point and if we don't, so be it.
Like that's more of the issue. Like you brought up
the point of academia and how getting your degree plays
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a role or fact in all this. Here's the one
thing that I challenged because look, I'm as big of
an advocate for getting your education, getting your degree if
it's going to lead you to what you want to do,
what you want to work your profession later on in life,
or provide you that foundation to do that later on
in life. I think there's two ends of the spectrum here.
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There's that portion of it, whether you've got a lot
of young people who go into a college having an
understanding of what they want to do, or they want
to play sports and get their education and go off
in the workforce. There's others that just go through the
motions of it. They're going to college, just to go
to college. They get in debt and they leave not
really having anything that's going to help them, no tangible
(23:58):
asset to help them in the future with what they
want to do professionally. So they're in debt and on
top of that, they don't even know what they want
to do. So the reality as to where college sports
are at right now is we've now it basically said
you guys should be compensated. Now the structure of that
is more of the issue. We came out with name,
(24:19):
image and likeness. These players are supposed to be supported
because they're so great, they're gonna get marketing deals. The
reality was it's just been paid for play, mostly because
a lot of companies are like, wait a second, we're
gonna they're supposed to pay out millions to these kids
when they're college kids. We're not sure if they're gonna
make it to the pro level, and they're gonna be
gone in two, three, four years. Like it's just with
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the transfer port and everything else, Like there's no long
term commitment, there's no reassurance of that player being what
they hope they're going to be. And to be quite frank,
there's not really any brand value because a lot of
these young people don't have a brand yet. It takes time.
You have to get into the pro level and then
create greatness from there moving forward. That's usually how that works,
or you've got to be in college at least for
(25:01):
a little bit. You know, some of these kids who
come out of high school because they're a part of
whatever all star game, they feel like they've already got that.
They haven't reached it yet. So to your point about
the system, yes, it's entirely messed up, and there's two
routes moving forward. There's the route of getting a collectively
bargained agreement, which you know, you'd need the players to unionize,
(25:22):
and that's one way of hoping to solve some of
these issues. And then there's the route of getting an
anti trust exemption that allows the NCAA and these schools
at be to handle all this and make it work,
which seems rather unlikely. You could get federal legislation, but
it seems like that's a long ways down the road,
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so there's not really a solution outside of the adults
in the room. And I keep saying this, and that's
exactly what Dan Lanning has done in this case step
pick up and saying we're not going to allow us
to happen. Like you don't always need there to be
a rule, all right for people just to agree like
we're not gonna break that, we're not gonna do that.
And in this instance, again like huge fan of Dan
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Lanning for doing it because and then by the way,
a huge fan of Josh Eipel for the way he's
taking a stance saying like I'm not gonna let this
kid do it, because if I let this kid do it,
then the next kid's gonna do it. The next kid's
gonna do it, and everyone's gonna think it's okay. And
so we can say it's a sad situation, I try
to look at the other side of it and saying
it's actually a good thing because if he doesn't land
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on his feet, if he doesn't find someone who's gonna
pay him money's looking for every other player, every other
slap agent, will slappy agent that that's a part of
these nil deals. They're all gonna be like, oh, I
don't want to do that, like like look a look
at how this just worked out for this player, and
look at look at how it impacted his career and
everything else. It's gonna be a scary tale from here
on out moving forward for a lot of players that
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try to do something like this.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I think it's a sensible approach. The way you're talking
about it and you're looking at it. I just don't
know how realistic it is. Those people that are leveraging
like they are. These young men are old enough to understand,
you know, what's going on.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
They are.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
But if you were to ask me, with all of
the young men that I have dealt with through the years,
some of their biggest challenges and some of their biggest
downfalls have come from people other than themselves. The decision
making isn't generally on them. It's they're dependent upon the
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people that they love and they trust, And that to
me is where this all gets a little It gets
a little shaky and understanding. There isn't that brand value
coming out of high school. So that protection that or
the professionalism that you're going to get from some of
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these guys that are taking on college guys to represent
them in the pros.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
That's not present.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
That's not available for or for the vast majority of
all of these young men coming out. So to me,
when I look at these situations for every one time
that it could be this kid is actually the main
reason why there's a problem here because of what they
want and they're demanding and what they do. Sometimes it's
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not as cut and dry and it's not as simple
as all, get your head, your helmet, get your past,
get in the meetings and practice and we'll figure it
out later. They're being dictated to by people that they
love and trust that they're going to listen to what
it is that they're saying to them, and they're going
to do it for better or for worse. They're going
to if somebody's dad, if their dad comes to them
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and say, this is what we're doing, this is how
you're going to do it. A lot of these young men,
while old enough to go serve our country, while old
enough to even go get a drink, they're going to
listen to those figures in their lives. And that's why
this whole culture of transferring in high schools and now
theance for a portal in college, the seven on seven circuits,
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it's like everybody puts their their their hooks in on
these these young prospects.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Know who they are at.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
A young age, and they build these relationships four times
like these, for times like these. So it's going to
be interesting to see how these things begin to unfold
and play out, and how do you protect sometimes these kids,
these young men from themselves in these situations, in these circumstances,
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because you're right in the sense that this could be
costantly for this young man's career. But you're always going
to have that one guy that's sitting there like God,
that ain't us, that's not going to be us. We're
going to do it differently than that. We're better than
that kid, d D. There's always going to be a
reason and an excuse to go ahead and continue to
press forward with what it is is going to be
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for you in your situation.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
And that doesn't mean or equate that it's the.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Right decision to make or the right thing to do,
and based upon qualification, like why are you doing this?
But that's that's what these kids are, these young I
can say kids, these young men are facing this at
the college level now other agendas, and I felt like
that would become a part of the nil era and
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the transfer era of time in college sports. And it
seems to be like this is the one story that
hits and it hits home because it has a different
feel to it in terms of, you know, coming out
of it, why this would happen the way that it did, and.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Handling it the way that it's been handled.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There's layers to the timing of it too, only because
if you look at the House NCAA settlement, which they're
they're trying to go back over some of the language,
the roster limits, some of the things that are that
are within what the judge Wilkin I believe once from
this but once from the settlement. But there's also the
thought that they're not sure the role that NIL collectives
will play when it's all said and done, and so
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there's a revenue sharing piece which there's still not again
clarity on that as to how each university will be
tasked with spending the or sharing that revenue. Does Title
nine play an aspect of that, does it not? You know,
is it going to be equal funds to both men's
and women's sports?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Is that not the case? So there's a lot of
questions surrounding that. There's questions surrounding again what portion of
the funding they're getting has to be allocated to which
sports and is at the discretion of the university. So
even just in looking at the House NCA settlement, which
everyone's like, oh great, there's revenue sharing, which is essentially
pay for play, which is what this has been, which
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is what it always should have been. Right, the university's
taking a piece of the TV revenue and sharing it
with the athletes, which makes sense. But now we don't
even have clarity on how that's going to happen from
school to school, and so that's a question mark what role,
if any, what the collectives play, because if the collectives
can still exist, then they still create an advantage for
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those schools that are able to thrive and do the
sort of thing. And maybe there is someone out there who's,
you know, wants to pay a nico Ila maliava an
extra one point six million compared to what he was making.
So all those things are still out there. That's part
of the reasons why there's a lot of people who
are looking at this portal window this spring and saying,
let's try to get all we can while we can,
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because we don't really know how the House NCA settlement
is gonna fare, and we don't know what the future
holds in regards to federal legislation. All these are the
things around college sports. So let's take advantage while we
can now, so I see that perspective of it. The
problem is, and everything you're saying, I'm sure as a
reality the quickest way of squashing that is saying you're
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gonna have to have a collective bargain agreement with a
union that approves these agents and not saying there's not
gonna be foul play with agents even when you have that.
But it limits some of that, and it limits some
of what we're talking like the tampering that goes on
from team the team or even you know this, uh,
you know what we what we would say right now
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is going on some of the holdouts. I mean, you
still have hold outs at the NFL level. Well, that's
in essence kind of what this was, because he was
already under contract and he's basically saying I'm not gonna
play unless you pay me more. I mean to a degree,
that's in essence what this was. So none of that
really solves, you know, a player doing what Nico Eo
Malialva done, or even what I guess his parents or
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his representation, his team is telling him to do behind
the scenes. So it doesn't solve that necessarily, but at
least creates enough safeguards where hopefully you have more people
giving these guys sound advice and not you know, putting
them in a position where who knows where he's going
to be. Again, I mean, he was draft eligible after
this upcoming year. Like I made a big case for
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arch banning, Nico with his potential and upside and talent ability,
could have been the next guy taken. Probably maybe he
could have made a case for being the first guy taken.
Not Now all that's kind of thrown up in the
wind as he's got to find the home and he's
got to learn a new system, he's got to develop
chemistry with the guys he's throwing to. All that stuff.
It's tough to do. We've seen some guys transfer and
be successful before, but even Joe Burrow, it took into
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the second half of his first year and really the
second season for him to light everything on fire, win
a national championship, heisman, everything else. So that's the tough
part is now thinking about the ripple effect of how
this wimpac Nico's career is more of my concern. I
think there's a lot of players who have experienced that
unfortunate end of having to transfer and having to deal
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with a lot of those things. I hate to see
that for them. And to your earlier point, there's no really,
there's nothing they're going to get from the educational component
of it either. You know, they're not walking away.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
With that degree.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
It's a bad situation until there's more education on how
to handle, you know, and the rules and the parameters.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Like you said, it's just it's going.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
To be hard for coaches and staffs to deal with it.
It's going to be hard for players and families to
deal with it. I mean, I'm, I'm. I have three
kids in college, and I know we got to go
to break But I got three kids that are our
athletes in college.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Right now, and.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You know, I steer clear of it outside of doing
like just regular above board things. In terms of conversations
to my children as to how to grow and build
their brands, I steer clear of that and tell tell
them to focus in on their studies and focus in
on being the best people they can be and being
the best athletes they can be to serve their communities.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I just wish it.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Was that simple, you know, in terms of approaching it.
Here's the opportunity, here's where here's where you can make
your money, here's you know, like you said, if they
approve the deal where they're able to pay them and
they can more streamline all of this and it's not
like a wild wild West type of deal, I think
it'll be better. But it's it's definitely an unnerving and
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it's it's definitely a sad feeling you get when you
see guys going after you know, pipe dreams, you know,
instead of building good, strong bonds and courts of loyalty
and just endearing yourself to a community. It's like now
it seems as though work becomes a four higher, your
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your mercenaries. You don't really belong to any any community. Really,
it's just what you can get out of it in
the moment. And you know that may work for some people,
but I would say for the ones that you know,
get away from it and now are able to look
back on it and understand it the way that they
could have handled it, which would have been.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
More valuable moving on.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's a sad miss and you don't get that opportunity back.
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Speaker 2 (36:53):
Kind of covered a bunch of different topics today. Obviously,
Congrats to Roy McElroy compleating the Grand Slam of Golf
winning the Master in somewhat dramatic fashion. Of course, he
couldn't just do it on eighteen, He had to do
it again on eighteen after the playoff four versus Justin Rose,
who also played incredibly well in the final round. It
felt like other guys were kind of falling by the wayside.
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Justin Rose stepped up and had a huge put on
eighteen to make things interesting. But nonetheless, Roy McRoy now
the sixth Grand Slam champ in golf history, so kudos
to him. Now taking carrying the flag or the torch
if you will, from Tiger Woods now is that next
kind of all time great in men's golf.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
But is that safe to do to say take the
torch like like.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Tiger took the torch? Who is it from.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Nicholas Jack Nicholas?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, took it from Nicholas maybe, But is anybody good
enough coming off of the career that Tiger had to
compare and say taking the torch like is he does?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Rory Hill, Someone's left in. Some would say, you know,
Tiger didn't accumulate as much as Jack did. Nicholas, Well
he did it.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
He came close, but he came close good enough to
be in the conversation though, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean
y is that guy?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I think when you when you look at for example,
Jean Sarazen, Ben Hogan, Gary Player, are the three others?
Then it's Jack, Nicholas, Tiger, Wood's Roy McRoy. Those are
the six who have completed the Grand Slam of Golf.
So I definitely think Roy mcroy's worthy of that. And
again excited for him, excited for golf, everything else. I mean,
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it's been a big year for him. I mean, obviously
again with the last year of the way things have
worked out, the Live Tour, PGA Tour, but just his
success him finally but after ten years, been a long
way to get this Grand Slam, was able to accomplish it.
Kudos to him. Talked about the Derek Carr injury, talked
about Nika I Amaliava and a lot of the news
(38:54):
that came over the weekend as a lot of teams
were having spring games. Tennessee had one without the starting quarterbacks,
so that was of interesting one of the other news
tidbits that came up. And we know the NFL loves tradition.
We know the NFL loves kind of basically taking your
calendar and saying, how can we get you in bed
with us? Right, They've already done it for Thanksgiving forever.
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Detroit Lyons is the nineteen thirties, the Dallas Cowboys. Since
the sixties, they've added a third game now so you
get an entire day of football. I think most people
feel like Thanksgiving, especially if you're all a football fan,
is synonymous with football. But now the NFL is attacking Christmas.
What used to be an NBA holiday has now become
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an NFL holiday. But there was a thought that they
might tie the Kansasity Chiefs to Christmas as being a
staple there. However, the NFL has walked that back a bit,
saying that they don't want to get tied to any
one team, And to be honest with you, I understand
completely why. You know, as we look in a vacuum.
It looks like the can't state Chiefs gonna be great forever.
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Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid the rest of the stars there
of course, but if you think about it fifteen twenty
years from now, I don't know you want to put
yourself in that position. Look at the Detroit Lions, for example,
on Thanksgiving, and I think Lions fans would admit this
for years, maybe decades. You'd say that was a Lions
team that you know, underperformed on a holiday, and unfortunately,
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every single person that was a Lions fan on Thanksgiving
had to be reminded of the latus success of the Lions.
Now that's changed in recent years, but I think it
makes a lot of sense that the NFL doesn't want
to tie themselves to one team, probably for that reason.
And even though the Chiefs are great now, it doesn't
necessarily mean they're going to be twenty thirty years from now.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Well, I'll say you're right and that estimation.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
And you know, when you look at it from the
standpoint of just how how it all.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Works, what point was I going to make?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I totally lost my place and my point here, But
you know, I just look at what the scenario provides
Q and you know, it's interesting to think that scheduling
and teams and you know where they're going to be
and how they're going to do, it's hard to forecast
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how good a team is going to be and for
how long, maybe outside of a certain few, Kansas City
being one of those teams, but being married to it,
I think.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
That that's a hard it's a hard sell, I.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Think in today's today's consumer driven, you know, type of approach,
I think that's a hard sell. But I also think
that if you look at what the NFL is doing,
I mean, they're showing that they like diversity, right look
at what they've done with the draft, and you know,
just different things like that, Like they've always moved to
Super Bowl, they got weird about the Pro Bowl, started
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moving the Pro Bowl around, So they're always trying to
figure out different ways. I wouldn't be surprised if they
take you know, some of these games on the holidays
and take them overseas, you know, whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
But I think it's.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Hard to sell the idea of this team, even though
they've had you know, can see in particular, has had
so much success, you're going to sell that this is
going to be the team you're going to see like
during this holiday season in particular.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
I mean, I think that the cautionary.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Tale is you did that with with Detroit, and you
see the Detroit team almost became like the Washing what
are they called, the Commanders or the Generals, the ones
that played against the Harlem Globetrotters. It's like you didn't
see a very good team, a good product, and it
was always it was the show was meant for them
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to lose by the time you got to the end
of the show. So it's just kind of like for me,
I don't think that you should marry marry a team
to a particular date. I think it should be based
upon how good the teams are that are playing at
that time. Nothing better than having a holiday season where
you could be home with family and friends that you
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haven't seen for a while, eat food, you know, pass out,
sit on a comfortable couch or on the floor or
whatever it may be, a recline or seat, and watch
some good football and that's, you know, the better to
match up. I would assume more interest there would be.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
So I think there's a couple of different angles on
this and The first is what you're speaking to, which
to me more speaks to the networks of the streaming services.
So I think if you're them, like as great as
it sounds that the Kansas City Chiefs, there's a staple
every Christmas. Again that looks good now, maybe not so
much depending on how things would change in the future.
(43:52):
And so there's an element of like we're trying to
sell the best game, We're trying to sell the biggest game.
So if you lock yourself in to one team, you
have the potential for that not to be the case.
I think that's the biggest thing long term is the
NFL is looking at trying to get to that twenty
five billion dollar mark by twenty twenty seven, and we
just saw the report last week. They went over twenty
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three billion last year, so they're not far off. And
as you look forward into the future and you look
at the different ways in which they can try to
get more money out of Netflix or more money out
of Amazon, the deep pocketed streaming services, it would be
selling them whatever that best game is and there being
some sort of flexibility in the scheduling at that point.
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So that makes a ton of sense to not lock
yourself in with one team because there's no need to
if you think about it, and that's maybe how it
can work. You can ride this red wave of the
kans City Chiefs why you got it as far as
the scheduling goes, and then you can figure it out
after the fact. But I wouldn't be shocked if there
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wasn't some element of flex scheduling in regards to that holiday,
even though be tough because I think there's a lot
of people who obviously are planning for the holidays, and
if you set the game, you set that schedule, you'd
be thinking that fans are probably gonna be flying in
for that specific game, or maybe that they're making that
part of their their their tradition. But that brings me
to the next question is is like do you want
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for that to be your tradition for your team? Like
I'd love to know from Lions fans or Cowboys fans,
like do you like having them play every single Thanksgiving?
I'm sure there's some years you're like, yeah, that's great,
and other years are going no, Like I'd rather just
watch some other team win or lose and not have
to have my heart ripped out on Thanksgiving. Along with
having to get into you know, whatever conversation with you know,
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said uncle, that's just going to talk about all kinds
of shenanigans.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So maybe maybe it's like that for Christmas. But Christmas
hits a little different than Thanksgiving in the sense of
a lot of the things you're asked to do that
are family obligations, maybe their obligations to your kids. Maybe
they're religious, you know, you know, obligations going to de
church or Mass, etc. Whatever you believe. But to me,
it just hits a little different. It was a holiday
that I don't know, it almost would feel not so
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much like a gift, maybe more like a burden to
have to have that every single year for one team,
like I might completely off. And that's something I feel like.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
The gift is you give a dad at the opportunity
to say, please give me my space and my time
to be able to watch the game. But I also
feel like it could be a curse because if your
team isn't any good, then I would assume that your
other would probably use that against you and say you're
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just trying to get out of what your duties are
for this time of the year, because you know, a
lot of times you're asked for help, even though you're
not asked for help, like it comes in the form
of like a complaint, you know, like oh I can't
do I wish I could do this, or I wish
I could get this done, or oh my gosh, this
fell down or oh this.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Is heavy or something. And it may be while you're
watching sports and you have to ask.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
You have to force yourself. Guys, if you're listening out there,
you have to force yourself to ask, just so that
you can give yourself the ability to have you know,
I guess getting out of trouble, you know, free pass
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
You ask like can I help? Are you okay? And
on the meanwhile, on the.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Inside, you're hopefully giving them what they wanted, which was
you let them know you're there to support them and
that whatever it is that you need to work on,
that you're available to do it. I remember one time
it was a Barbie Doll mansion, Q Like, it was
this big ass Barbie.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Doll house and the game was on.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I think it was a Bowl game that was on
and it was heading into Christmas and I'm watching the games. Good, gay,
I don't even really recall what who was playing, but
I hear oh goshh and I was like, are you okay?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Is everything all right?
Speaker 3 (48:13):
So I'm just having the hardest time putting together this
this dollhouse. And I looked at the dollhouse, and I'm
not one for domesticated work, like I'll cook and walk
the dog like different things, but not crazy domestic I'm
not handy or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
So I looked at the dollhouse and I was.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Like, oh, well, let me see if I can help you, right,
And I grab the directions Q.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
I look at the directions.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I start reading the directions and I'm like, oh, there's
no way I can't do this.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
So I was like, I gave it. I was like, it's.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Unfortunate for you and for me because you need the
help and I want to help you, but looking at
these directions, I just ain't gonna be able to do it.
I probably do more damage to this mansion then.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
I do good to it.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
So I'm gonna just go back over here and I'm
gonna stay out of your way, and I'm gonna watch
this game while you try to figure out how to
put together this this Barbie doll mansion. And then the
response was, well, what if I can't get it together?
Da da dad, this, that and the other. And I said, well,
we got enough guys that play on the team, you know,
in high school or whatever. We could call them. They
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come over, they can look at the directions and they
can build it. She's like, but why can't you do it?
I said, well, I already answer why I can't do it.
But if you were wondering the whole idea of my
thought process behind.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
It, I just wouldn't get up.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I wouldn't get a gift that I wasn't able to
put together or wasn't able to deliver in the manner
of which I bought it for the person I was
buying it for. And that was my reasoning. Q. I
dropped the microphone, I sat back down, and I used
football as an excuse to get away from doing it.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
And I think it worked. It may have worked, but
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
You know, it's probably used by many many husbands. Father
is on many Sundays. But what's interesting about the Christmas
Day package is Netflix gets two games. Amazon gets one
as well, and that's part of the Thursday Night Football package.
And so in one way, the NFL typically likes to
advertise this, promote it way ahead of time, so that's
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one reason why there wouldn't be, you know, a reason
to flex. But if you go back to this past season,
the Week seventeen games were the ones that are on Christmas,
which there's an a football games at least the regular
season games not on Christmas, there is this flexing that's
able to occur with twenty one days noticed, so that
rule has been tweaked for this upcoming year. It's one
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of the reasons why I bring that up because if
you're the NFL and you did have all this promotion,
all this around these these you know, big time games,
it's Week seventeen, you sometimes get some teams that have
injuries that aren't really competitive anymore that you thought were
going to be competitive. You've got some teams that maybe
are sitting guys because they've already locked into something in
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regards to the playoffs, or they're not gonna play as
much that laid into the regular season. There are some
things that could play out that could take away from
the overall experience on Christmas. Dan And look, maybe they
don't care because it's Christmas. They know people are gonna
be home and people are gonna be watching. But that
is the one reason why I feel like, because you've
got this caveat or this rule that's built into the
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Thursday night football package, why not try to allow it
to exist? You know, maybe you let Netflix have the
stable two games and you allow that to be the
other announcement. But I feel like you could create more
fluidity with this again for attendance. That makes it a
bit more difficult. You only got three weeks to prepare,
But the NFL has figured out ways of doing it
in the past. I feel like they could figure it
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a way of doing it this time around two. But again,
just my two cents on it, there's still a lot
of like figuring out. I just I think it's interesting,
like would you want your Christmas to be synonymous with football?
Or it's Christmas big enough where it's because like in
and of itself, its own thing, and then football becomes
this nuisance. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Isn't there a bowl game on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
There are bowl games around that around that before or.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Like I recall, the Alamobile has always been right around Christmas,
like the twenty third or something like that. I don't know,
I don't recall Christmas Day, like, if you're going to
play on Christmas Day, I think that that's I think
it's a pretty bold move if you ask me, because
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you got to compete with Ralphie and you got to
compete with you know, you know Scrooge and you know
the Grinch and stuff like that. But with that being said,
that is a getaway, that is an escape most likely
for a sports fan to have something of that quality
(52:57):
being on on a holiday Christmas, I don't think. I
don't think it's a bad play at all. On the
NFL's behalf. Now, whether you go full in and say
this is these are the teams that going on play,
I think that that's a hit or miss, boom or
bust proposition.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
I would say keep it open.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
For all the reasons we've just discussed, but having it
on Christmas would be definitely to me, it'd be a
dope move.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Maybe it's also a great way if if Santa Claus
wasn't too kind or didn't do a great job with
the gift giving, maybe it's a good way too, just
to get away from the family. Everyone's a little disappointed
and you're just like, yeah, I'm gonna go to the game.
I'm gonna go ahead and just avoid this whole situation
all again.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Or it's your buddy's team, right, it's your buddies team,
and you go meet up where they're at to go
watch the game, and that gives you a little bit
of a breakaway. You know, it's there's there's there's there's
levels to it, there's levels to this.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Here you go
It's the best of two pros and with lamar As
rating Winn and Jonas Knox on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Var did you did you have a chance to watch
any of the Masters?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yes, I have a chance to watch. Of course I
had a chance to watch it.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Yes. The answer to that is yes.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
So the next question is.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Did you no No? Yeah, I mean I saw the highlights. Yeah,
you know, I saw the highlights. But no, I tend
to want to keep my record year to year, you know,
from the Masters or pretty much any other golf tournament
(00:48):
that takes place. I have a zero I've watched it
record so far. I don't want to break it, you know,
just okay, I want to break it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And you can represent that portion of our fan base. Uh,
but we do have to cover some of the major events.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
And you know what, you haven't heard me give you
one problem.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I looked at the rundown, no problems like yeah, yeah,
just don't expect me to be too much.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Of a participant.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And what took place, that's all but shot wor worrit
to McElroy.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You know, yeah, good for him. He was an under
armour guy, right or still is?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Actually no, I'm not sure. I think you think of
Jordan Speed.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah he's there, you never mind.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, Rory has been Nike I believe for the entirety,
And in fact, Nike rolled out a pretty dope commercial
shirtle Well, it's not just that. Like the commercial they
rolled out right after he won was pretty sweet. It
was basically him as he was a young Irish lad
watching Tiger, watching Tiger have all this success everything else.
(01:55):
They showed it, uh, the famous chipping into his his
washing in his house. They showed some clips of that stuff,
which was something that he actually did. He did it
on a game show when he was very young. But
they showed all of that, and that kind of builds
up to this moment where he finally gets to the
tea box to get to play with Tiger Woods. So
almost the way of Nike saying like, hey, this is
(02:17):
a passing of the torch, if you will, from Tiger
to Rory. Now that Rory's been able to complete the
Grand Slam as well, Tiger Wood's being one of the
six players in golf history to ever do it, So Lee,
if you wouldn't mind, let's hear from Rory McElroy after
his big win there in the Butler cabin at Augusta.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
It feels incredible. This is my seventeenth time here, and
I started to wonder if it would ever be my time,
and I think, you know, the last ten years coming
here with the burden of the Grand Slam on my
shoulders and trying to achieve that. I'm sort of wondering
what we're all going to talk about going in the.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Next year's pastors.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But I'm just absolutely honored and thrilled. I'm just so
proud to be able to call myself a master show.
When I hit the wedgshot into the creek, I'm thirteen,
you know. I felt like I did a really good
job of bunting back from that on the you know,
the double boogie at the first as well. But I
was really nervous going on, and it was almost as
if the double bogie at the first calm my nerves
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a little bit and the sort of cut me into
it in a funny way. And I just think all
week how I responded two setbacks. I think that's what
I'll take from this week, and you know, couldn't be
more proud of myself for that. And I'm being able
to bounce back when I needed.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
To You know, it's interesting for those who follow golf,
for follow Roy Macroy's career. If you watched eighteen and
when he missed the putt four parr, you thought, here
we go again. Uh, maybe it's gonna be elusive, maybe
he won't be able to do it. And there probably
were some moments throughout the round where you might have
thought that. But for most of those who followed golf,
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you gotta be happy for Rory in particular because when
the tour needed someone to put really them on their
back and represent them in a way, to carry the
flag for them, especially during the time of which there
was somewhat of an exodus to live tour, Ry McCrory
did that, and he really was the player that could
have profited big time. I mean we're talking hundreds of
(04:11):
millions of dollars by going over to the Live tour,
and instead he stayed loyal to the PGA Tour. He
continued to compete, he continued to talk about the differences
in between the two and why he didn't want to
do it. Was very outspoken about it, and that actually
even played a factor in the round as well as
obviously Bryson D. Chambeau who came into the day in
(04:32):
second place after an incredible third round. But you could
tell there's a little bit of tension between the two.
I mean, obviously both players trying to win, and Bryson
d Schambeau didn't put together the day he wanted to.
But let's see it from Bryce and d Chambeau on
just maybe some of the emotions or lack of emotions
and any conversation between the two.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Did you speak to him in that how's he doing? Is?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
You know? No idea?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And it didn't talk to me once all day?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Could you try and initiate conversation with your riet on
I wouldn't talk to me.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I don't know if this win for Rory not only
does it cement him in his legacy in golf, but
also as we kind of look at golf as a whole,
if it's gonna lead to now maybe there's a bit
of a rivalry between these two, which would be a
great thing for golf. I think it's something that's been
missing maybe for a little bit to some degree now
that you have to live toward the PGA Tour, you
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might get some more of this in some of the majors,
but you could see, you could sense there was some
tension there between the two. Unfortunately, again Bryson really dropped back,
so it wasn't like Rory was playing Bryson per se.
It was almost the rest of the field that he
was trying to stay ahead of and and beat. Either way,
it was interesting to watch. For those of you that
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did watch it could kind of feel some of that
tension out there. But uh, let's get the rest of
business out of the way with the masters, because clearly, LeVar,
we can't keep talking about this topic if you're.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Knocking up our curious Let's see how long you can
carry it for.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Like I could do a solo show on a Buddy.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Show three hours talking this.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, there's a lot of Difflet's do it. Let's see,
let's see if you can do it well. We've we've
got a lot of other you get paid to get involved.
We got a lot of other topics that to get
to today too. Leave the hat draw. If I'm not mistaken,
you got Rory McRoy from the hat draw. Of course
I got Rory had draw get him, you get him.
(06:26):
I've been killing it with the hat draws lately.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Yeah, I got Florida for the championship and uh rory
for the masters. Feeling really good about the hat draws
here fellas.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Who else did the rest of us have that they
don't even come close?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
No, not really, especially on our second drawing we did. Uh,
we did not do good. Nobody picked up Justin Rose
even though he was in the hat. Of course, on
the second day we had Scheffler, Schoffley, Marikawa. None of
those guys got I think we had a top ten
and there was Shawffley. Yeah. Uh, what else did we have?
(06:59):
So we had Day Larina had Jason Day. Where did
he finish?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Second day?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
That was your second day, mighty market, mighty market pick
for you.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, and then he didn't work out for you winning
joined the club, buddy.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
We also had u We had Scottie Scheffler, like we
had mentioned, that was the problem for the next highest
for for Jodas, we had Ludwig Auburg. Ludwig Auburg for
for LeVar was probably is the second.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Highest, okay.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And then for the record, for that's worth, Quinn's wins
did go three for five. Had Scheffler to win obviously
didn't win. He met that also miss he got finished fourth.
So lost, you know, one hundred bucks ten bucks on
the show. Though this could have been the one for Rory.
You did say it. I will so that that one
I actually bet as a top ten finish. But to
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your point, I did give out the odds for it,
said if you want to, that'd be the other one.
I'd go to win it. So depending on how you
look at it, that was at minus one forty, so
that was a hit I hit with Shaffley. Shoffley finished
in the top ten, so that would have been plus
two hundred, so you would have been a nice little
payout there. Colin Moore, a cow, I hit four plus
(08:16):
what excuse me, minus one seventy for a top twenty finish.
So all in all, if you had listened to it,
you would have won one hundred and thirty bucks from
the UH from all five bets. So again, miss can't
Ley too. I think I had him in the top
twenty finish. He ended up trying for thirty sixth, but
nevertheless could have won some money, could have won a
little bit money of money out of that. But golfing, gambling,
(08:39):
golf is kind of hard and yet it can kind
of be easy at the same time. If you know,
like some of the best players.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
I guess, Yeah, it was tough to see Ludwig with
that triple bogie on eighteen too.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
That was that was tough for you.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That was tough I was ritting for. Yeah, golf is
I kind of I kind of compare golf to gymnastics.
Think when my wife competed, like everyone wants to see
all the girls do well, like they hate seeing people fall.
In my mind, like when I would be watching and
my wife was competing, I'm like, no, I'm rooting for
(09:12):
other people to fall because like my wife's competing, like
I know that's good for her if they're falling.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So like I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It wasn't like I was like, oh, you know, like
I wasn't sad. I was like, oh, that's come on,
Like let's let's get this thing going. We need to
go win this gold. We're gonna win something here. So
that's that's the one thing about golf. It's kind of similar.
People don't want to see guys play poorly. Especially on eighteen.
It was a huge crowd. You could kind of sense
that like people are like felt bad, like they just
want to get this guy off the course.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Dang, Yeah, that's kind of rude.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I mean, I'm just being honest, though, you're.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
A savage for the gymnastics thing.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
By the way, well, I want to hurt themselves.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm just saying you're still a savage though. I mean
you could.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You're telling me what the US is up there when
the US is competing, you don't. You're you're not like
rooting for the US, You're rooting against everyone else.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I want them, I want them to do well.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I do watch gymnastics too, by the way, I'm really
big into that. UH, but any any sport I like
to see people compete, I don't I don't necessarily look
at it from the standpoint.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Of I hope they fall.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
It's kind of fed up, but I definitely here get
it though.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Here's the tough part about gymnastics, not to get off
on a complete tangent. Start value is huge. So there's
start value and execution. So for some of the UH participants,
their start value is so high even with poor execution
meaning they fall, fall or mess up or leave stuff out,
they can still beat other people who do a flawless routine.
(10:47):
So you almost need them if they're going to fall, right, Yeah,
you basically need them to mess up if you're going
to have other people beat them. So anyway, just peeling
back the curtain a little bit. I'm competitive, man.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
That's what that you're You are competitive, dude, Bro, that
is for certain.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I like it. Yeah, I mean I feel bad if
half step I'll tell you that. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Speaking of half step, congratulations bro, like you hit fourteen.
You you carried Rory for fourteen and golf for fourteen.
So well go first, and golf enthusiasts, take a give
a give a round of applause. Q take a bow man,
because if you could go three hours doing that, wow,
(11:33):
bless it doesn't sound like you would you would slow
down either, by the way, So.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (11:54):
For those that don't follow college football or can't pronounce
the name, I just want to call Himnick. Oh that's
cool too. He was Tennessee starting quarterback last year and
probably most famous for signing a gigantic nil deal on
the way into college at the University of Tennessee. Reportedly,
(12:14):
it was like eight million dollars a deal about two
million per year, something like that. We never know the
true details because well, there's no transparency in college football
and there's a lot of other issues. Some of those
issues came up just this past week, before Tennessee's spring game,
nico Io Maliava decided he wasn't going to play and
(12:34):
he wanted to renegotiate what he was being paid for
this upcoming season. Now, according to reports, niko Ia Malaiava,
his family, his representation, whoever you want to point the
finger at, He was scheduled to make two point four million,
but they were asking for four million. In their way
of leveraging the University of Tennessee to do this, was saying,
(12:56):
we're not going to play in the spring game, so
let's I should hear the words of their head coach
there at Tennessee, Joshipel before the spring game, Lee, coach Hoppel,
you wrap up spring practice today. Obviously, lots of attention,
a lot of people want to know what's the status
of your quarterback room as you've worked through today.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Yeah, we got two guys in that room.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Excited watch them go play.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
They've had a really good spring, they've grown throughout it.
Excited about getting out, having a chance today, get out
in front of our fans and our guys go compete today.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What has the last forty eight hours been like in
dealing with that man?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Listen, it's the state of college football. At the end
of the day. No one's ever bigger than the program
that includes me too, And we got an opportunity. We
got a bunch of guys are gonna get their all
for Tennessee, and we moved forward.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Got a great group.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Let's go compete. So there's Josh Hipel giving us two
cents on it. Right, No one person's bigger than the program.
And I think those are words that probably some Tennessee
volunteers fans are excited to hear. There are probably words
that some of the boosters who helped fork over the
cash to pay niko I Maliava are excited to hear too,
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not allowing a young man to basically holding them ransom.
And I think most people who are Tennessee fans would
tell you there was a lot to be desired based
on his play last year. And there's reports that he
supposedly tried to do this, And I shouldn't say he
could be his family, could be his agent. I've got
more on this that where I think it's more maybe
(14:29):
his representation. But he tried to do this before the
playoff last year, tried to leverage again the system and
the amount of money he was being paid before the
playoff game, threating to not playing the playoff game if
he wasn't compensated more compensated additionally to what he was
already being paid. So this is the state of college
football of bar and this is how things are working out.
(14:51):
You now have a young man who's put his name
in a transfer portal. The University of Tennessee has moved on,
some would say rightfully. So I'm not sure there's too
many people who are being empathetic to the player in
this instance. You know they're hoping things work out. But
just give me your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You know, we talked about this on Saturday and it
turned into a pretty passionate conversation. I mean, for me,
my takeaway from it stems maybe beyond the player themselves,
himself because this now marks.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
A new.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's a new approach, or it's now out there this
approach Like okay, if you were to take a list
of all the players who have done what Nico has
done around the country at some of these top schools,
I think people might be blown away if there was
(15:47):
a true list of the players that have maybe tried
to do this. And so for Hypeel to come out
and basically say or not doing it, like we're not
doing it this way, it now has to open up
the conversation.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Of what are moving forward, what.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Are going to be the rules of engagement, because I
think it's going to this thing is going to get
worse before it gets better without there being any more
real organization connected to what's taking place. Like we joked
about it the other the other week and talking about
anyone can represent these guys at this level. There's no
(16:35):
real you know, monitoring or you don't have to pass
a test to represent the kid. So you know, now
the question comes into play, is this is this somebody
ruining the kid's opportunity and ruining his career because they
see dollar signs for themselves in this opportunity. You know,
(16:56):
it's it's sad to think that that is a harsh
reality that has always been connected to sport when thinking
about some of the backgrounds and areas that some of
these young men come from. So to me, when I
saw the news and I heard the news, you know,
it just makes me start thinking like, it's a sad
(17:18):
state of affairs right now in my estimation, because these
are going to be the stories that continue to come out,
and these are going to be the stories that start
to dominate college football and maybe even college sports. And
I just wonder how long how much time is it
going to take for there to be a realization and
(17:42):
understanding that one While knowing that I believe it's a
good thing to be able to pay the players, you know,
that are generating money for the university, I have no
issues with it.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But I think we're starting to get.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Away from the idea that going to college is an
institution of learning and and it just seems as though
education is being put so far in the in the
rear view and the periphery that it becomes a little
you know, disturbing and and and that was one of
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the first things I thought about, like, what are you going.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
To school for?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Are you going to school to just make money or
are you going to school to build your your mind,
build your community. I don't think that there has to
be necessarily one or the other. Q. I just think
that now that we had this happened, it's it's going
to open the floodgates to now coaches got a man
(18:43):
up or not man up, Like it's either we got
to find a way to keep the kid here or
we're not going to be held hostage by any kid
and we're going to get rid of them. And then
what does that mean? You know, how does that play out?
Because one of these kids, some of these kids, they
are good enough. Some of these kids they do they
do project out where you'd say, I don't want to
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lose this kid, but can we afford to pay them
this amount of money?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
So I just think that the lack of structure and.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
The lack of preparedness to getting to this point in
college athletics and seeing how the lack of structure and
the lack of preparation to me from the governing body,
I just think that it's a sad It's a sad
story until we start seeing, you know, solutions that are
(19:35):
are brought to the forefront that could actually maybe begin
to stabilize the rules and the regulations of how you
engage and how you do things and how contracts are done.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
It's just going to I think.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
There's going to be more and more sad stories that
come out because for what is worth Q, this is
a sad story. This is a sad story for that
young man. It's a sad story for Tennessee's program, and
it's a sad story for college sports if you ask me, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
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should be. There's a lot of layers to this.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
The first one, aside from everything you just said, was
how Tennessee actually found out about this. Tennessee initially was
informed that Nico Iomaliava, his agent and his family whoever's
all behind the scenes as far as his party, if
you will, was sniffing around for nil deals. Dan Lanning,
(20:41):
the head coach at Oregon, reportedly was who tipped off
Josh Heipel that the representation from Nico Imaliava was sniffing
around for a better ANIL deal. Like that's the wild part.
And by the way, kudos to Dan Lanning for stepping
up being a man in forming another coach this crap
(21:01):
was going on, because this is the only way in
the current structure, but this can actually work, is if
other coaches are able to hold each other accountable and say, hey, man,
I would want this to happen to me. And so
just so you know, like, this is what this kid's doing,
this is what his family, this was representations doing. And
again I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Put all in the kid because it could be the
sad thing that somebody else is doing it on his behalf.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Right, sure, hold on, let's let me finish. There's an
agent that's a part of this. Obviously, there's the family
that's a part of this. But I will say this,
when you're twenty years old, all right, we ask young
men and women at eighteen years old to go serve
our great country. And if we're asking them to be
able to make that decision work, we're asking them and
we're really putting them in charge of some incredible responsibilities.
(21:48):
I also think we need to stop acting like these
young people aren't capable too of making decisions and understanding
how this is going to impact them and understanding how
this looks like. We're not getting them to understand at
any point time. He's been at Tennessee now for years,
we're not getting him to understand you made a commitment,
like you signed it, you agreed to it, and by
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the way, you haven't necessarily outperformed it. Like I understand,
there's probably a time and in place in professional sports
where a player signs a contract, he performs it, and
then he wants a new one. This is not that,
This is not that. I don't think any Tennessee volunteer
tier fan would say he exceeded our expectations based on
the hype coming in, what he was signed for and
(22:31):
what he was producing, what he was doing so in
no part, in no way, shape or form, and by
putting this all on him. But you're also not naive either,
Like you've grown up in an era where like you
know this stuff is coming around, you know how this works,
you understand how this is going to impact you, and
there's an element of like, hey, you're still the player. Like, ultimately,
(22:53):
at the end of the day, you still make the decision,
even as a twenty year old to put on your helmet,
go out there and say, I'm still going to participate
in the spring game. We'll figure this out after the fact.
I'm still going to honor my commitment. We'll figure this
out at some point and if we don't, so be it.
Like that's more of the issue. Like you brought up
the point of academia and how getting your degree plays
(23:17):
a role or fact in all this. Here's the one
thing that I challenged because look, I'm as big of
an advocate for getting your education, getting your degree if
it's going to lead you to what you want to do,
what you want to work your profession later on in life,
or provide you that foundation to do that later on
in life. I think there's two ends of the spectrum here.
(23:37):
There's that portion of it, whether you've got a lot
of young people who go into a college having an
understanding of what they want to do, or they want
to play sports and get their education and go off
in the workforce. There's others that just go through the
motions of it. They're going to college, just to go
to college. They get in debt and they leave not
really having anything that's going to help them, no tangible
(23:58):
asset to help them in the future with what they
want to do professionally. So they're in debt and on
top of that, they don't even know what they want
to do. So the reality as to where college sports
are at right now is we've now it basically said
you guys should be compensated. Now the structure of that
is more of the issue. We came out with name,
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image and likeness. These players are supposed to be supported
because they're so great, they're gonna get marketing deals. The
reality was it's just been paid for play, mostly because
a lot of companies are like, wait a second, we're
gonna they're supposed to pay out millions to these kids
when they're college kids. We're not sure if they're gonna
make it to the pro level, and they're gonna be
gone in two, three, four years. Like it's just with
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the transfer port and everything else, Like there's no long
term commitment, there's no reassurance of that player being what
they hope they're going to be. And to be quite frank,
there's not really any brand value because a lot of
these young people don't have a brand yet. It takes time.
You have to get into the pro level and then
create greatness from there moving forward. That's usually how that works,
or you've got to be in college at least for
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a little bit. You know, some of these kids who
come out of high school because they're a part of
whatever all star game, they feel like they've already got that.
They haven't reached it yet. So to your point about
the system, yes, it's entirely messed up, and there's two
routes moving forward. There's the route of getting a collectively
bargained agreement, which you know, you'd need the players to unionize,
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and that's one way of hoping to solve some of
these issues. And then there's the route of getting an
anti trust exemption that allows the NCAA and these schools
at be to handle all this and make it work,
which seems rather unlikely. You could get federal legislation, but
it seems like that's a long ways down the road,
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so there's not really a solution outside of the adults
in the room. And I keep saying this, and that's
exactly what Dan Lanning has done in this case step
pick up and saying we're not going to allow us
to happen. Like you don't always need there to be
a rule, all right for people just to agree like
we're not gonna break that, we're not gonna do that.
And in this instance, again like huge fan of Dan
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Lanning for doing it because and then by the way,
a huge fan of Josh Eipel for the way he's
taking a stance saying like I'm not gonna let this
kid do it, because if I let this kid do it,
then the next kid's gonna do it. The next kid's
gonna do it, and everyone's gonna think it's okay. And
so we can say it's a sad situation, I try
to look at the other side of it and saying
it's actually a good thing because if he doesn't land
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on his feet, if he doesn't find someone who's gonna
pay him money's looking for every other player, every other
slap agent, will slappy agent that that's a part of
these nil deals. They're all gonna be like, oh, I
don't want to do that, like like look a look
at how this just worked out for this player, and
look at look at how it impacted his career and
everything else. It's gonna be a scary tale from here
on out moving forward for a lot of players that
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try to do something like this.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I think it's a sensible approach. The way you're talking
about it and you're looking at it. I just don't
know how realistic it is. Those people that are leveraging
like they are. These young men are old enough to understand,
you know, what's going on.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
They are.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
But if you were to ask me, with all of
the young men that I have dealt with through the years,
some of their biggest challenges and some of their biggest
downfalls have come from people other than themselves. The decision
making isn't generally on them. It's they're dependent upon the
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people that they love and they trust, And that to
me is where this all gets a little It gets
a little shaky and understanding. There isn't that brand value
coming out of high school. So that protection that or
the professionalism that you're going to get from some of
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these guys that are taking on college guys to represent
them in the pros.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
That's not present.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
That's not available for or for the vast majority of
all of these young men coming out. So to me,
when I look at these situations for every one time
that it could be this kid is actually the main
reason why there's a problem here because of what they
want and they're demanding and what they do. Sometimes it's
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not as cut and dry and it's not as simple
as all, get your head, your helmet, get your past,
get in the meetings and practice and we'll figure it
out later. They're being dictated to by people that they
love and trust that they're going to listen to what
it is that they're saying to them, and they're going
to do it for better or for worse. They're going
to if somebody's dad, if their dad comes to them
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and say, this is what we're doing, this is how
you're going to do it. A lot of these young men,
while old enough to go serve our country, while old
enough to even go get a drink, they're going to
listen to those figures in their lives. And that's why
this whole culture of transferring in high schools and now
theance for a portal in college, the seven on seven circuits,
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it's like everybody puts their their their hooks in on
these these young prospects.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Know who they are at.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
A young age, and they build these relationships four times
like these, for times like these. So it's going to
be interesting to see how these things begin to unfold
and play out, and how do you protect sometimes these kids,
these young men from themselves in these situations, in these circumstances,
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because you're right in the sense that this could be
costantly for this young man's career. But you're always going
to have that one guy that's sitting there like God,
that ain't us, that's not going to be us. We're
going to do it differently than that. We're better than
that kid, d D. There's always going to be a
reason and an excuse to go ahead and continue to
press forward with what it is is going to be
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for you in your situation.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
And that doesn't mean or equate that it's the.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Right decision to make or the right thing to do,
and based upon qualification, like why are you doing this?
But that's that's what these kids are, these young I
can say kids, these young men are facing this at
the college level now other agendas, and I felt like
that would become a part of the nil era and
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the transfer era of time in college sports. And it
seems to be like this is the one story that
hits and it hits home because it has a different
feel to it in terms of, you know, coming out
of it, why this would happen the way that it did, and.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Handling it the way that it's been handled.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There's layers to the timing of it too, only because
if you look at the House NCAA settlement, which they're
they're trying to go back over some of the language,
the roster limits, some of the things that are that
are within what the judge Wilkin I believe once from
this but once from the settlement. But there's also the
thought that they're not sure the role that NIL collectives
will play when it's all said and done, and so
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there's a revenue sharing piece which there's still not again
clarity on that as to how each university will be
tasked with spending the or sharing that revenue. Does Title
nine play an aspect of that, does it not? You know,
is it going to be equal funds to both men's
and women's sports?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Is that not the case? So there's a lot of
questions surrounding that. There's questions surrounding again what portion of
the funding they're getting has to be allocated to which
sports and is at the discretion of the university. So
even just in looking at the House NCA settlement, which
everyone's like, oh great, there's revenue sharing, which is essentially
pay for play, which is what this has been, which
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is what it always should have been. Right, the university's
taking a piece of the TV revenue and sharing it
with the athletes, which makes sense. But now we don't
even have clarity on how that's going to happen from
school to school, and so that's a question mark what role,
if any, what the collectives play, because if the collectives
can still exist, then they still create an advantage for
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those schools that are able to thrive and do the
sort of thing. And maybe there is someone out there who's,
you know, wants to pay a nico Ila maliava an
extra one point six million compared to what he was making.
So all those things are still out there. That's part
of the reasons why there's a lot of people who
are looking at this portal window this spring and saying,
let's try to get all we can while we can,
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because we don't really know how the House NCA settlement
is gonna fare, and we don't know what the future
holds in regards to federal legislation. All these are the
things around college sports. So let's take advantage while we
can now, so I see that perspective of it. The
problem is, and everything you're saying, I'm sure as a
reality the quickest way of squashing that is saying you're
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gonna have to have a collective bargain agreement with a
union that approves these agents and not saying there's not
gonna be foul play with agents even when you have that.
But it limits some of that, and it limits some
of what we're talking like the tampering that goes on
from team the team or even you know this, uh,
you know what we what we would say right now
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is going on some of the holdouts. I mean, you
still have hold outs at the NFL level. Well, that's
in essence kind of what this was, because he was
already under contract and he's basically saying I'm not gonna
play unless you pay me more. I mean to a degree,
that's in essence what this was. So none of that
really solves, you know, a player doing what Nico Eo
Malialva done, or even what I guess his parents or
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his representation, his team is telling him to do behind
the scenes. So it doesn't solve that necessarily, but at
least creates enough safeguards where hopefully you have more people
giving these guys sound advice and not you know, putting
them in a position where who knows where he's going
to be. Again, I mean, he was draft eligible after
this upcoming year. Like I made a big case for
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arch banning, Nico with his potential and upside and talent ability,
could have been the next guy taken. Probably maybe he
could have made a case for being the first guy taken.
Not Now all that's kind of thrown up in the
wind as he's got to find the home and he's
got to learn a new system, he's got to develop
chemistry with the guys he's throwing to. All that stuff.
It's tough to do. We've seen some guys transfer and
be successful before, but even Joe Burrow, it took into
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the second half of his first year and really the
second season for him to light everything on fire, win
a national championship, heisman, everything else. So that's the tough
part is now thinking about the ripple effect of how
this wimpac Nico's career is more of my concern. I
think there's a lot of players who have experienced that
unfortunate end of having to transfer and having to deal
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with a lot of those things. I hate to see
that for them. And to your earlier point, there's no really,
there's nothing they're going to get from the educational component
of it either. You know, they're not walking away.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
With that degree.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
It's a bad situation until there's more education on how
to handle, you know, and the rules and the parameters.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Like you said, it's just it's going.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
To be hard for coaches and staffs to deal with it.
It's going to be hard for players and families to
deal with it. I mean, I'm, I'm. I have three
kids in college, and I know we got to go
to break But I got three kids that are our
athletes in college.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Right now, and.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You know, I steer clear of it outside of doing
like just regular above board things. In terms of conversations
to my children as to how to grow and build
their brands, I steer clear of that and tell tell
them to focus in on their studies and focus in
on being the best people they can be and being
the best athletes they can be to serve their communities.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I just wish it.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Was that simple, you know, in terms of approaching it.
Here's the opportunity, here's where here's where you can make
your money, here's you know, like you said, if they
approve the deal where they're able to pay them and
they can more streamline all of this and it's not
like a wild wild West type of deal, I think
it'll be better. But it's it's definitely an unnerving and
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it's it's definitely a sad feeling you get when you
see guys going after you know, pipe dreams, you know,
instead of building good, strong bonds and courts of loyalty
and just endearing yourself to a community. It's like now
it seems as though work becomes a four higher, your
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your mercenaries. You don't really belong to any any community. Really,
it's just what you can get out of it in
the moment. And you know that may work for some people,
but I would say for the ones that you know,
get away from it and now are able to look
back on it and understand it the way that they
could have handled it, which would have been.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
More valuable moving on.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's a sad miss and you don't get that opportunity back.
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Speaker 2 (36:53):
Kind of covered a bunch of different topics today. Obviously,
Congrats to Roy McElroy compleating the Grand Slam of Golf
winning the Master in somewhat dramatic fashion. Of course, he
couldn't just do it on eighteen, He had to do
it again on eighteen after the playoff four versus Justin Rose,
who also played incredibly well in the final round. It
felt like other guys were kind of falling by the wayside.
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Justin Rose stepped up and had a huge put on
eighteen to make things interesting. But nonetheless, Roy McRoy now
the sixth Grand Slam champ in golf history, so kudos
to him. Now taking carrying the flag or the torch
if you will, from Tiger Woods now is that next
kind of all time great in men's golf.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
But is that safe to do to say take the
torch like like.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Tiger took the torch? Who is it from.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Nicholas Jack Nicholas?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, took it from Nicholas maybe, But is anybody good
enough coming off of the career that Tiger had to
compare and say taking the torch like is he does?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Rory Hill, Someone's left in. Some would say, you know,
Tiger didn't accumulate as much as Jack did. Nicholas, Well
he did it.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
He came close, but he came close good enough to
be in the conversation though, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean
y is that guy?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I think when you when you look at for example,
Jean Sarazen, Ben Hogan, Gary Player, are the three others?
Then it's Jack, Nicholas, Tiger, Wood's Roy McRoy. Those are
the six who have completed the Grand Slam of Golf.
So I definitely think Roy mcroy's worthy of that. And
again excited for him, excited for golf, everything else. I mean,
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it's been a big year for him. I mean, obviously
again with the last year of the way things have
worked out, the Live Tour, PGA Tour, but just his
success him finally but after ten years, been a long
way to get this Grand Slam, was able to accomplish it.
Kudos to him. Talked about the Derek Carr injury, talked
about Nika I Amaliava and a lot of the news
(38:54):
that came over the weekend as a lot of teams
were having spring games. Tennessee had one without the starting quarterbacks,
so that was of interesting one of the other news
tidbits that came up. And we know the NFL loves tradition.
We know the NFL loves kind of basically taking your
calendar and saying, how can we get you in bed
with us? Right, They've already done it for Thanksgiving forever.
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Detroit Lyons is the nineteen thirties, the Dallas Cowboys. Since
the sixties, they've added a third game now so you
get an entire day of football. I think most people
feel like Thanksgiving, especially if you're all a football fan,
is synonymous with football. But now the NFL is attacking Christmas.
What used to be an NBA holiday has now become
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an NFL holiday. But there was a thought that they
might tie the Kansasity Chiefs to Christmas as being a
staple there. However, the NFL has walked that back a bit,
saying that they don't want to get tied to any
one team, And to be honest with you, I understand
completely why. You know, as we look in a vacuum.
It looks like the can't state Chiefs gonna be great forever.
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Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid the rest of the stars there
of course, but if you think about it fifteen twenty
years from now, I don't know you want to put
yourself in that position. Look at the Detroit Lions, for example,
on Thanksgiving, and I think Lions fans would admit this
for years, maybe decades. You'd say that was a Lions
team that you know, underperformed on a holiday, and unfortunately,
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every single person that was a Lions fan on Thanksgiving
had to be reminded of the latus success of the Lions.
Now that's changed in recent years, but I think it
makes a lot of sense that the NFL doesn't want
to tie themselves to one team, probably for that reason.
And even though the Chiefs are great now, it doesn't
necessarily mean they're going to be twenty thirty years from now.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Well, I'll say you're right and that estimation.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
And you know, when you look at it from the
standpoint of just how how it all.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Works, what point was I going to make?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I totally lost my place and my point here, But
you know, I just look at what the scenario provides
Q and you know, it's interesting to think that scheduling
and teams and you know where they're going to be
and how they're going to do, it's hard to forecast
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how good a team is going to be and for
how long, maybe outside of a certain few, Kansas City
being one of those teams, but being married to it,
I think.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
That that's a hard it's a hard sell, I.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Think in today's today's consumer driven, you know, type of approach,
I think that's a hard sell. But I also think
that if you look at what the NFL is doing,
I mean, they're showing that they like diversity, right look
at what they've done with the draft, and you know,
just different things like that, Like they've always moved to
Super Bowl, they got weird about the Pro Bowl, started
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moving the Pro Bowl around, So they're always trying to
figure out different ways. I wouldn't be surprised if they
take you know, some of these games on the holidays
and take them overseas, you know, whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
But I think it's.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Hard to sell the idea of this team, even though
they've had you know, can see in particular, has had
so much success, you're going to sell that this is
going to be the team you're going to see like
during this holiday season in particular.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
I mean, I think that the cautionary.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Tale is you did that with with Detroit, and you
see the Detroit team almost became like the Washing what
are they called, the Commanders or the Generals, the ones
that played against the Harlem Globetrotters. It's like you didn't
see a very good team, a good product, and it
was always it was the show was meant for them
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to lose by the time you got to the end
of the show. So it's just kind of like for me,
I don't think that you should marry marry a team
to a particular date. I think it should be based
upon how good the teams are that are playing at
that time. Nothing better than having a holiday season where
you could be home with family and friends that you
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haven't seen for a while, eat food, you know, pass out,
sit on a comfortable couch or on the floor or
whatever it may be, a recline or seat, and watch
some good football and that's, you know, the better to
match up. I would assume more interest there would be.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
So I think there's a couple of different angles on
this and The first is what you're speaking to, which
to me more speaks to the networks of the streaming services.
So I think if you're them, like as great as
it sounds that the Kansas City Chiefs, there's a staple
every Christmas. Again that looks good now, maybe not so
much depending on how things would change in the future.
(43:52):
And so there's an element of like we're trying to
sell the best game, We're trying to sell the biggest game.
So if you lock yourself in to one team, you
have the potential for that not to be the case.
I think that's the biggest thing long term is the
NFL is looking at trying to get to that twenty
five billion dollar mark by twenty twenty seven, and we
just saw the report last week. They went over twenty
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three billion last year, so they're not far off. And
as you look forward into the future and you look
at the different ways in which they can try to
get more money out of Netflix or more money out
of Amazon, the deep pocketed streaming services, it would be
selling them whatever that best game is and there being
some sort of flexibility in the scheduling at that point.
(44:34):
So that makes a ton of sense to not lock
yourself in with one team because there's no need to
if you think about it, and that's maybe how it
can work. You can ride this red wave of the
kans City Chiefs why you got it as far as
the scheduling goes, and then you can figure it out
after the fact. But I wouldn't be shocked if there
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wasn't some element of flex scheduling in regards to that holiday,
even though be tough because I think there's a lot
of people who obviously are planning for the holidays, and
if you set the game, you set that schedule, you'd
be thinking that fans are probably gonna be flying in
for that specific game, or maybe that they're making that
part of their their their tradition. But that brings me
to the next question is is like do you want
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for that to be your tradition for your team? Like
I'd love to know from Lions fans or Cowboys fans,
like do you like having them play every single Thanksgiving?
I'm sure there's some years you're like, yeah, that's great,
and other years are going no, Like I'd rather just
watch some other team win or lose and not have
to have my heart ripped out on Thanksgiving. Along with
having to get into you know, whatever conversation with you know,
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said uncle, that's just going to talk about all kinds
of shenanigans.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So maybe maybe it's like that for Christmas. But Christmas
hits a little different than Thanksgiving in the sense of
a lot of the things you're asked to do that
are family obligations, maybe their obligations to your kids. Maybe
they're religious, you know, you know, obligations going to de
church or Mass, etc. Whatever you believe. But to me,
it just hits a little different. It was a holiday
that I don't know, it almost would feel not so
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much like a gift, maybe more like a burden to
have to have that every single year for one team,
like I might completely off. And that's something I feel like.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
The gift is you give a dad at the opportunity
to say, please give me my space and my time
to be able to watch the game. But I also
feel like it could be a curse because if your
team isn't any good, then I would assume that your
other would probably use that against you and say you're
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just trying to get out of what your duties are
for this time of the year, because you know, a
lot of times you're asked for help, even though you're
not asked for help, like it comes in the form
of like a complaint, you know, like oh I can't
do I wish I could do this, or I wish
I could get this done, or oh my gosh, this
fell down or oh this.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Is heavy or something. And it may be while you're
watching sports and you have to ask.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
You have to force yourself. Guys, if you're listening out there,
you have to force yourself to ask, just so that
you can give yourself the ability to have you know,
I guess getting out of trouble, you know, free pass
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
You ask like can I help? Are you okay? And
on the meanwhile, on the.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Inside, you're hopefully giving them what they wanted, which was
you let them know you're there to support them and
that whatever it is that you need to work on,
that you're available to do it. I remember one time
it was a Barbie Doll mansion, Q Like, it was
this big ass Barbie.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Doll house and the game was on.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I think it was a Bowl game that was on
and it was heading into Christmas and I'm watching the games. Good, gay,
I don't even really recall what who was playing, but
I hear oh goshh and I was like, are you okay?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Is everything all right?
Speaker 3 (48:13):
So I'm just having the hardest time putting together this
this dollhouse. And I looked at the dollhouse, and I'm
not one for domesticated work, like I'll cook and walk
the dog like different things, but not crazy domestic I'm
not handy or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
So I looked at the dollhouse and I was.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Like, oh, well, let me see if I can help you, right,
And I grab the directions Q.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
I look at the directions.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I start reading the directions and I'm like, oh, there's
no way I can't do this.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
So I was like, I gave it. I was like, it's.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Unfortunate for you and for me because you need the
help and I want to help you, but looking at
these directions, I just ain't gonna be able to do it.
I probably do more damage to this mansion then.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
I do good to it.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
So I'm gonna just go back over here and I'm
gonna stay out of your way, and I'm gonna watch
this game while you try to figure out how to
put together this this Barbie doll mansion. And then the
response was, well, what if I can't get it together?
Da da dad, this, that and the other. And I said, well,
we got enough guys that play on the team, you know,
in high school or whatever. We could call them. They
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come over, they can look at the directions and they
can build it. She's like, but why can't you do it?
I said, well, I already answer why I can't do it.
But if you were wondering the whole idea of my
thought process behind.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
It, I just wouldn't get up.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I wouldn't get a gift that I wasn't able to
put together or wasn't able to deliver in the manner
of which I bought it for the person I was
buying it for. And that was my reasoning. Q. I
dropped the microphone, I sat back down, and I used
football as an excuse to get away from doing it.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
And I think it worked. It may have worked, but
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
You know, it's probably used by many many husbands. Father
is on many Sundays. But what's interesting about the Christmas
Day package is Netflix gets two games. Amazon gets one
as well, and that's part of the Thursday Night Football package.
And so in one way, the NFL typically likes to
advertise this, promote it way ahead of time, so that's
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one reason why there wouldn't be, you know, a reason
to flex. But if you go back to this past season,
the Week seventeen games were the ones that are on Christmas,
which there's an a football games at least the regular
season games not on Christmas, there is this flexing that's
able to occur with twenty one days noticed, so that
rule has been tweaked for this upcoming year. It's one
(50:38):
of the reasons why I bring that up because if
you're the NFL and you did have all this promotion,
all this around these these you know, big time games,
it's Week seventeen, you sometimes get some teams that have
injuries that aren't really competitive anymore that you thought were
going to be competitive. You've got some teams that maybe
are sitting guys because they've already locked into something in
(51:01):
regards to the playoffs, or they're not gonna play as
much that laid into the regular season. There are some
things that could play out that could take away from
the overall experience on Christmas. Dan And look, maybe they
don't care because it's Christmas. They know people are gonna
be home and people are gonna be watching. But that
is the one reason why I feel like, because you've
got this caveat or this rule that's built into the
(51:24):
Thursday night football package, why not try to allow it
to exist? You know, maybe you let Netflix have the
stable two games and you allow that to be the
other announcement. But I feel like you could create more
fluidity with this again for attendance. That makes it a
bit more difficult. You only got three weeks to prepare,
But the NFL has figured out ways of doing it
in the past. I feel like they could figure it
(51:45):
a way of doing it this time around two. But again,
just my two cents on it, there's still a lot
of like figuring out. I just I think it's interesting,
like would you want your Christmas to be synonymous with football?
Or it's Christmas big enough where it's because like in
and of itself, its own thing, and then football becomes
this nuisance. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Isn't there a bowl game on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
There are bowl games around that around that before or.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Like I recall, the Alamobile has always been right around Christmas,
like the twenty third or something like that. I don't know,
I don't recall Christmas Day, like, if you're going to
play on Christmas Day, I think that that's I think
it's a pretty bold move if you ask me, because
(52:36):
you got to compete with Ralphie and you got to
compete with you know, you know Scrooge and you know
the Grinch and stuff like that. But with that being said,
that is a getaway, that is an escape most likely
for a sports fan to have something of that quality
(52:57):
being on on a holiday Christmas, I don't think. I
don't think it's a bad play at all. On the
NFL's behalf. Now, whether you go full in and say
this is these are the teams that going on play,
I think that that's a hit or miss, boom or
bust proposition.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
I would say keep it open.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
For all the reasons we've just discussed, but having it
on Christmas would be definitely to me, it'd be a
dope move.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Maybe it's also a great way if if Santa Claus
wasn't too kind or didn't do a great job with
the gift giving, maybe it's a good way too, just
to get away from the family. Everyone's a little disappointed
and you're just like, yeah, I'm gonna go to the game.
I'm gonna go ahead and just avoid this whole situation
all again.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Or it's your buddy's team, right, it's your buddies team,
and you go meet up where they're at to go
watch the game, and that gives you a little bit
of a breakaway. You know, it's there's there's there's there's
levels to it, there's levels to this.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Here you go
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