April 15, 2025 • 39 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Shedeur Sanders has a late workout for the Giants. Colorado retires numbers for Shedeur and Travis Hunter on their way out. Nico Iamaleava’s games hit a wall with Bill Belichick. Plus, the WNBA Draft and Masters ratings on ICYMI.
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I'm Brady Quinn, that's LeVar Arrington, and we got some
stuff to talk about today as as we count down
to the NFL Draft that's just about what nine days
away before the first round, and we get to find
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out how things are gonna shake out now the odds
we'll get to at some point later on the show,
because it feels like they're starting to shape up based
on what we're seeing from the betting markets. Yeah, but
we are getting some news like this is kind of
late in the game too. Shudo Sanders, the former quarterback
at Colorado, kind of polarizing for some out there. He's
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gonna have a private workout with the New York Giants.
Interesting again, from my experience, I don't know how late
up to the draft you were doing visits and workouts,
but I can't recall during my time doing a workout
or having a visit this close to the draft, usually
that the hey was in the barn. As they say,
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is this odd to you the timing of doing a
private workout at this point?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I would say yes in most circumstances. But Shador isn't
a number one draft big guy. He's up there. No, no, no,
I don't want that to be taking a roll away.
I'm not saying, I mean, how do you want to
take that? Because he's not going to go number one?
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So I'll say and look at what New York is
is what direction they're trying to go in. I felt
like them bringing in Russell Wilson maybe put an end
to the idea of taking.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
A quarterback with your draft pick.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But there's the strong possibility that they're they're considering and
keeping the door open based upon maybe a couple different factors,
one factor being are they totally sold on the fact
that they can truly improve their defense by adding Abdul Carter.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think that's where we're at right now in your way,
all right, Well you asked for it, I'm gonna give
it to you. Give it you because there's a theory,
all right. And here are the odds right now as
it currently stands for what picks one through five are
going to look like. As we've got an update in
the past probably twenty four hours, Will Campbell has become
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the favorite to go number four to the New England Patriots,
and minus what five Mason Graham, now the dtackle out
of Michigan. He has solidified himself as the favorite to
go at the number five spot at this point. Now
I shouldn't have named that take Will sure, but if
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you'll let me get to it. I shouldn't have named
the actual pick because this is where it gets an
Adul Carter, who's the favorite to go three. There's a
theory that this workout by the New York Giants maybe
in an effort to actually trade back out of the
number three spot. Because we talked about it before, it's
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not necessarily a huge need for another edge rusher given
their roster as compared to some of the other teams
that have a big time need for any edge rusher.
So there's a thought that maybe the Giants trade back,
accumulate more draft picks, and you could actually get Shador
Sanders a long with additional draft compensation, So your quarterback
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potentially of the future, even though you've got to cut
you know, some veterans there, but also some of a
different additional draft compensation for someone who really wants Abdul Carter.
How does that hit you?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I think it makes sense. I think it's a.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Again, if you're not totally sold on the idea that
who you want you're totally locked in on. So whether
it's whether it's that what you said, strategizing to build
the value of Shador to make somebody want to move
and I think we did have this conversation that if.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Your New Orleans I would assume New Orleans would be
the team. It could be, I mean, it could be
a host.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Of teams that actually would would possibly try to make
that move.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
But the bigger question to me, listening to what you're
saying is.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Do who do you think that there's a team out
there that values Shador Sanders at three? Because I'm saying
to myself, if I'm doing a late workout with Shador,
it's do I not fully buy into Jamis and Russell
and the pies on passion, or do I feel as
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though one of those guys are expendable and can go
and we bring in our quarterback of the future and
we can give him time, which it would be Shador Sanders.
We give him time by having Russell Wilson here to
teach him and carry our team until he's ready. Or
you look at it from the perspective you said, and
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you're trying to build value up for that pick in
that position, because the only way you're trying to move
up to three, I would assume these days, is to
get a quarterback. So maybe you're doing it to see
what the interest level is for him. But but my
I guess my thought process Q would be why would
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you do that when I feel like the market is
kind of spoken on him somewhat and it almost says
that the only real chance he has of going this
early in the draft is either to a New York
Giants team or the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
And I'm not so certain that any one of.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Those two teams are going to take a quarterback with
their draft pick this early in the draft. So if
I'm a team, why would I give up? Why would
I give up real draft capital to try to get
a player that I believe will fall to where where
we're at pick wise? Anyway, I think that would be
the better question. What team would want to do that?
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Is it?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'm not sure that's how I look at this. I
think the way I look at it is it's not
so much about shod or Sanders. It's more about out.
Who would trade take out to a Carter?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
By far and away I don't know. Find now that
cam Ward's going number one and Travis Hunter is going
number two to Cleveland, then you look at the Giants
and say, what team is in dire needs? Of an
edge rusher.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
So who would you know that that's a better, that's
a see. I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I don't know that a team is going at again
in these this day and age. I just don't know
if a team is going to trade up to try
to get anything outside of a quarterback. It just doesn't
feel like that's where things are. But I mean, I
heard the gossip about the uh, the player out of
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Jacksonville not won in Mason Graham.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I know that the the city didn't fit with their team.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
We've got okay, we'll get to that. Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I don't know if if that's something that maybe Jacksonville
may toss around, because Jacksonville could use an AD rusher.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
The New York Giant, I mean, the Jets, they could use.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
An ad rusher, The Carolina Panthers could use an aedge rusher.
So really, in essence, we're basically saying pretty much every team,
including the New Orleans Saints, could use an AD rusher.
Now the question becomes, do you value Abdul Carter that highly?
And I would say yes, because I think he's the
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I mean, obviously, you know McShay or who's the other guy,
the legendary guy that does the draft, mel Kiper He
clearly has has posted him as the highest graded prospect
in this year's draft. I think he, along with Ashton
Genty are to me the biggest shoe ins to be
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very productive football players early, like immediately.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
I think they can impact a team that they go to.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
So if you're looking at it from that high of
a perspective and a standard of how you're looking at him,
then I wouldn't see how there would be any issue
with trading up to three to possibly get that pick.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
So the teams, I believe you mentioned them kind of
the well, you talked about the Jets, you talked about
the Jaguars. Did you mention the Panthers, because that's kind
of a team that did. What's interesting about them is,
not only do they kind of have a need to
sign DJ one him last year, Clowney plays Chadavian Clowney
plays the other outside linebacker spot, and so it kind
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of could make some sense, but it's a little bit
ridiculous when you think about the fact that they would
be trading with a team in the New York Giants
who they let Brian Burns go to like. That just
blows my mind if that was to actually take place.
By the way, last year, in the first round of
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the draft, there are five trades now, one of which
was the Minnesota Vikings trading up the number ten with
the New York Jets to take JJ McCarthy, So that
was for a quarterback. Then you had the Vikings trading
up to number seventeen of the Jacksonville Jaguars to take
an edge rusher in Dallas. Turner Detroit also traded up
with the Dallas Cowboys to take Terry on Arnold at cornerback.
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So there's definitely a precedent for teams trading up, at
least in recent history. And you can probably go through
the years to take a non quarterback, and you could
I could probably go back even further, but I don't
think it's outside the realm of possibility for any of
those teams to trade up, only because Abdul Carter seems
to have separate himself from the rest of edge rushers
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in this draft. So if that's the case, and you
want to get a guy that you view as you
know we've heard before teams phrased it as a gold
jacket guy and if you believe he's a gold jacket
guy or the best prospect as you touched on, don't
you think it's kind of worth it? I mean, what
does it matter if you have, for example, you know
you're giving up a couple other draft picks, when in reality,
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are those guys even gonna be able to make your
roster where you've got one guy who will assure you
of being a first round you know, draft pick impact.
So I look at it and say, like, I think
it's definitely possible a team would trade up. I think
what's more interesting about it is how these odds have
solidified themselves kind of early on, but the late workout
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for Shador Sanders the Giants leads me to think maybe
they're trying to check all the boxes with how this
first round could play out. And we've had varying opinions,
you know. I think Albert Breers come on and said
he doesn't know if there'll be a lot of trades,
and you've heard other people say I think there'll be
a lot of trades. It's gonna be fascinating to see
what happens. The other thing that came out yesterday about
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shad Or Sanders that is actually getting a lot of
I guess conversation around it is Shador Sanders getting his
number retired at Colorado number two along with Travis Hunter
number twelve. Now, I don't think anyone has an issue
with Travis Hunter getting his number retired. He won the Heisman.
I mean, he was phenomenal. He did something that we
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very rarely seen that sport. But Shador Standers drew a
lot of backlash from folks. And I'm curious, how did
it hits you when you when you saw this news,
did you feel like it was warranted?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
I'll say this, I think we all know. I think
we all know the why of it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I think all of it put together, if you want
to retire Chador's number and Travis Hunter's number, I don't
have a crazy issue with it, because Shador Sanders marked
the change, the turnaround, and the return to a level
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of prominence that I mean. I mean, I'd say relevance
because they have had really good teams in the past,
you know, with Cordell Stewart and Darien Hagen and those
type b enemy, those type of guys Westbrook, but the
relevance that what he represented to them, I think would warrant.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think it would warrant.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
A very very.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
High level of respect, so to speak. He was a
first a first team All American by multiple publications. So
I mean he puts himself in, He puts himself in
the conversation of being a college football Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
So I don't I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
If he's a unanimous or he's a what's the other one,
unanimous and consensus. If he's unanimous and consensus, all can
I think you can take your pick. I think the
better question I guess for me would be how do
the other players that have had their jerseys retired UH
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in the past, you know, if they're still around, how
how would they How do they feel about that? I'm
certain should uh dion coach Sanders probably well, knowing him
because everybody loves him, he probably had that conversation with
other guys that hold that same distinction before that decision
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was made by the university, I would assume.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So there will now be six players with their jersey
retired at the University of Colorado or Colorado University.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Excuse me? Who are they?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well? And and that's where I get to this, and
this is why I don't have an issue with it.
You know a lot of people feel like this is
like a coach prime move. First off, it doesn't matter
who's coach at Colorado. If one of your players the Heisman,
you're going to retire his number. Because that's exactly what
they did with Rashaun Salam who is the nineteen ninety
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four Heisman Trophy winner. So number nineteen has been retired
since twenty seventeen, and rightfully so. Now there's three other players.
Bobby Anderson, who's the quarterback. He was honored for his
versatility and impact, including cu to a number three ranking
in nineteen sixty nine. Now, Bobby Anderson, you know, for
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many out there is probably remembered by Colorado fans and
some college football fans. He was before my time. But
you know, when you say it gets Colorado to a
number three ranking, I don't know, Lee, if you would
look this up quick, what's the highest that Colorado got
during the time of Shador Sanders there? And the only
reason I asked that is they became relevant after a
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team that was quite possibly the worst team in college
football before they got there. So when you talk about
you know, leading a team and bring it up. There
was no doubt that took place. You know that the
two players are Byron Wizard, White, halfback. He's a consensus
All American and actually Letter was a US Supreme Court justice,
so pretty cool. But number twenty four is retired. Then
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number sixty seven Joe Rammig who was a Garden linebacker's
a two time All American and Rhodes Scholar. So you're
talking about guys who you know played at a high level.
To your point, Shador was either a first or second
team All American.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Uh got to multiple I believe they got. I think
that's the highest.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Sixteenth days was the highest.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I don't want to say I thought I was on
the team, Okay, but I mean to your point, he
was the first or second team All American, won the
Johnny United, you know, our arm Award. When you look
at Colorado football history as far as the quarterback goes, yeah,
I think you can justify it, like I think you
can legitimately justify it. I don't know that it needs
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to come with a national championship with some of the
other things that I think people you know, want to
point to. And he set single season records, he said
you know, plenty of records too for his passing, and
some might argue what they threw all the time, but yeah, okay,
that's because he's gonna be a first round pick. Like
you'd hope he'd throw all the time. It's because he
was throwing to the number two overall pick as it
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currently stands in Travis Hunter and some of the other
guys are gonna get drafted. So I don't really don't
have an issue with it. I think there's a lot
of jealousy born out of it. And you know, honestly,
it's like, what do you care if? I mean, there's
other people at Colorado who signed on to this. This
wasn't just like coach Prime's decision. And like I said,
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but Travis Hunter things a no brainer. And forra Door Sanders,
when's the last quarterback they've had that has really actually
been a legitimate prospect number one draft pick, first round
draft pick. I mean, Cordell Stewart's the first guy that
kind of comes to mind.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Cordell Stoart was really a phenomenal dual threat quarterback. Darien
Hagen's same type of quarterback, but I don't know that
their games translated the same way.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It would in today's today's game.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I don't think they were as highly rated coming out,
in fact, I mean interestingly enough. Maybe coincidentally or irony,
I don't know. But you know, Cordell going to Pittsburgh,
we got an opportunity to see him, you know, develop,
And if you recall, he wasn't even really used as
a quarterback too much often early on in his career.
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That's why he earned the nickname slash. You know, they
were using them at receiver, they were running them around
on end and rounds. I think he was returning, you know,
kickoffs and stuff like that. So he was doing a
lot of utility work early on in his career and
then ended up eventually taking over the job. But I
don't recall him being crazy, crazy highly rated coming out.
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People knew he had a pretty pretty strong career at Colorado,
and ultimately they remember him for to play against Michigan
to heave hove to to Michael Westbrook. But yeah, i'd
say Michael Westbrook was probably you know, I mean, I
don't know who. I think Westbrook was a first rounder
I believe now. I don't know who the ID have.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
To book it up, but I think the general point
bringing up Courdell story, just to stay on track here is,
you know, here's I don't think there is a quarterback. Yeah,
I don't think he's a second team All American. He
finished thirteenth in the Heisman Trophy voting. He was inducted
into the Colorado Athletic Hall of Fame, and he set
some records while he was there. But you know, look,
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if you want to compare Shtor Sanders and what he
did this past year, he broke all those records. He
was a first or second team All American, one Quarterback
of the Year award, finished eighth in the Heisman. So
there's a lot to be said. And that's why I
feel like, again people will have an issue with this.
We're going to have an issue with Shador Sanders, coach
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prime Travis Hunter regardless. And that's where I'm like, why
does it matter to you? You know that's the decision
they want to make. Then want to honor them for
what he was able to do in the two years there,
you're kind of missing the point, like they were able
to elevate Colorado back to a program where for example,
when when Nico Iamalaiava is roomed at looking at transferring Oregon,
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Ohio State Colorado. You weren't hearing that three years ago.
People were trying to get out of there. They weren't
going there. So I look at it and say, I
have no issue with this whatsoever. And again, more people
were evolved than I think. You know, people probably believe
in the back of their minds in regards to retiring
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a jersey, that's not much the coach prime decision. That's
going to be an athletics department decision on how that's
going to be received and how that's all going to
work out.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, because I mean his time will eventually I'm and
gone too.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
So when you make a decision as big as retiring
a number, there's definitely going to be more people that
are involved with what's taking place. But make no mistake
about it as it applies to Shador, there's still that
influence and definitely, in my estimation probably to some degree,
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being driven by Dion saying this is why their jersey
should be retired because this happened immediately. I mean I
would say, how quickly do guys get their jerseys retired?
Que Like some of the greatest that have ever played
the game. You know, time elapses before you retire their jersey.
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I mean, to retire these guys as jersey immediately upon
their departure from the school. That says there's an influence there,
and I think we all know what that influence would be.
But look again, I don't think it's unjust, though you're.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Probably not wrong in that. Like as far as the
timing of it, one of the things that I feel
like gets lost in all of it is, isn't it
kind of nice to honor them on their way out?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Though?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, you're you're expecting them to say, well, yeah,
we could do it later on and so they'll come back.
It's like, well, why don't you just do it now?
Like why do you have to wait? If that's the
impact of them at that moment. I mean, they did
that for Tom Brady, didn't they did, or put them
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in the Ring of Honor or whatever, put them in
the Ring of Honor something.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
To that effect, and they say you got to have
a wait period, or usually because of the pageantry of
the game, they say there's a waiting period that takes
place now to that, this, that, and the other. But
you know what, prime is always going to push the
envelope for what it is that he does. I think
he's doing a hell of a job continuing to keep
the spotlight on the program. His son could possibly go
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number three. I don't think that happens, but it's a
great conversation. Nonetheless, and at the end of the day,
Travis Hunter is going to go number two or number
three in the draft.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
He's done an excellent job.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
When's the first time or when's the time you had
this has got to be the first time you've had
two prospects, let alone one prospect rated so highly in
the NFL Draft. So, I mean, I could be wrong,
But with that being said, I still think that it's
still a conversation. That's a debate as to is this
two of the greatest players to play for for Colorado
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Football being a high in the draft. So listen, I
think it's all justified. People have an issue if they want,
But he's done an excellent job of making Colorado football
and Colorado relevant and he doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Coming up next on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
there's a top quarterback who's still looking for a home.
We'll talk about on the other side. That's next on
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Speaker 3 (25:07):
It's two Pros and a Kip with Joe. I'm Britty Quinn,
that's LeVar Arrington, No Jonas Knox. Today. It's taking a
couple of days off. I'll be back with us on Thursday.
You know, I was reading a column earlier today by
Richard Johnson of cbssports dot Com, and I think he
titles it or phrases it the best. He says amateurism
is dead and professionalism never showed up. Now he's referring
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to Nico Iamaliava's saga with Tennessee and how it wasn't
the professionalism of college sports. It's a train wreck, and
he's not wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I think as we're going from amateurism to more professionalism,
it's going to be a bumpy ride and this is
part of that. And I think a lot of people
can view the Nico iam Maliava situation and say it's
ugly It's what makes things bad about college sports. When
you have a player do something like this. Some would
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argue coaches do this every year. Coaches look for a
better opportunity, don't honor the contracts they signed and bounce. Now,
the timing of all that, I mean, you could even
potentially say, all right, there's a difference though, like a
coach may do that, but so can kind of a player.
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And then now there's two windows to do that as
a player. You know, for a coach, there's really not
multiple windows to do it. You don't do it in
the middle of the season. You're getting fired if you're
not there any longer. And typically it happens at the
end of a season when the opening comes open and
you're trying to build that team going into spring and
heading into the summer. So I understand everyone wants to
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make the argument that, hey, these players should have the
same opportunity the coaches do. Well, they actually do. They
can leave whenever the heck they want, twice a year.
And by the way, if their coach leaves, another portal
window opens for them to then leave and go where
they see fit. So let's not distort what's happening, right,
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now in college sports, and let's not use Nico Iomliava's
situation and then kind of apply it generally to everything.
Nico's situation was unique, and you tell me if I'm wrong, LeVar,
But he's the first player that I can recall that
had an nil deal of I want to say, reportedly
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eight million walking in the door, at least public reported.
He was one of the first guys where it was like,
that's how much this university thinks about this kid, Josh
Haipel and everyone else there thinks about him. They're willing
to offer him millions before he's done anything. So that
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to me was different. And how his father, who at
least reportedly now is re seeming a lot of the blame.
The agents are probably at fault as well, and there's
a lot of people at fault when it's all said
and done. Maybe you could even say Tennessee should be
at fault to ever agreeing to a four year deal
with a kid before he ever steps foot on campus,
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Like did you kind of make that bed? Don't you
kind of have to lay in it now? I mean,
I've heard stories from coaches LeVar back in the day
where some of these teams would be paying these kids
under the table, and they'd be paying them so much
that there's times where they're like, I hope he doesn't
come to my school. And the reason why they said
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that is not because they didn't think he was talented
or didn't think he could be a star. It's because
they knew if he came to their school, it was
never going to be enough. Like once they got the
bagman to come bring him a bag of cash. The
problem is he's gonna be asking for it, just like
Nico was before the spring game, before the next year.
If you want him to stay, and that was back
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when you had obviously penalties for transferring it to sit
out a year and everything else that goes along with it.
So I sit here and as much as we want
to again, and I probably should give a recap for
those who don't know. Niko Io Maliava, starting quarterback for
Tennessee this past year, decided to not plan the spring game,
which prompted the University of Tennessee Josh Hipel to say,
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you should just go ahead end of the transfer portal
because you're reportedly wanted four million as opposed to the
two point four million that he had agreed to. And
this has actually been going on since before the playoff game.
Now as more reports have surfaced that they were trying
to figure out a way of negotiating this increase in
what his pay should be because they feel like that's
(29:45):
market value. Well, now he's going to find out what
market value is. By the way, Yeah, for those who
have been following this, North Carolina coach Bill Belichick, the goat,
he somehow got roped into this as well as one
of the teams that be looking at it was Ohio State,
it was Oregon, Colorado got thrown in there. And and
(30:06):
meanwhile that you U and see pops up. So you
and c now as a team you can cross off
that list. Apparently they're not interested. So it appears that
his dad and his agent whoever else you want to
point to, has ever played their hand, and it looks
like the most likely teams will end up at his
UCLA and Tulane. Now you could tell me, but does
(30:29):
UCLA or Tulane have a robust collective or nil fundraising?
Speaker 5 (30:34):
They do not.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
They do, so, in fact, that's one of the biggest
things I do not know about Tulane. I will say that,
but I do know one based upon you know, man
doing his his U c l A with one of
the teams.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Hot.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, man, Man, that was one of the teams that
was high on his list was U c l A.
Loves the academics, uh, loves coach Foster, loves loves the
people around there.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Oh, they do not have They don't have the money
to compete with the big dogs in terms of the
money that they're offering.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
So no, and let me give you some more insight
into the direction that UNC is going. They'd rather assign
South Alabama quarterback Geo Lopez instead. Now, this doesn't take
anything away from Nico. I think he's got a lot
of upside and potential and I think you saw flashes
of what he could do last year, but too oftentimes,
(31:27):
especially in some of the big games, he just didn't
really show up. And that's okay, Like he can he
can continue to develop, I'm sure if he gets the
right opportunity somewhere else and some time to develop chemistry
with the guys he's throwing to learn the system. I
think that's the difficulty for him now is in a
year where I really thought he could have been a
(31:47):
first round pick. After this year at Tennessee. Now that
kind of throws everything up into the wind because he's
gonna have to learn a new system, develop that chemistry,
get settled somewhere else. That's tough to do. It's tough
to do for a pro let alone a kid who's
in college, and we're not quite calling that professional yet.
But by the way, Geo Lopez really good player of
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South Alabama. You know, played some of the freshman last year.
I had a great years of sophomore over three three
thousand yards from scrimmage, twenty five total touchdowns. So I'm
not saying that, you know, hey, this is just some
you know, lower level guy Geo Lopez can play. But
it gives you a sense of what at least Bill
Belichick and his crew have seen from Nico on tape
(32:32):
and how much he's asking for and them saying, yeah,
that doesn't really pair for us, right. I think Bill
Belichick was one of the best at trying to find
value in players and not overpaying guys during his time
in New England, and he's probably trying to apply that
same strategy at the college level. So what more updates
about this? I mean, I'll be curious to see where
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he ends up. I mean, and another thing I'll just
ask is do you think this is good or bad
for college football?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
This h I think I think it's bad for him personally.
I think it's bad for I don't know how I
think it's worse for him. I think it's bad for
Tennessee because they lose a quality player. I don't care
what anybody says about them, that was a quality player
for their team and one of the catalysts of them
making it as far as they did. And I think
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it's a learning experience for you know, college football. You
have to to take these type of scenarios and you
have to learn what are what what are the rules
of engagement moving forward? Is what I would say. Because
there's so many different ways things could be handled. There's
so many different ways this could have played out, and
(33:42):
you know, it played out the wrong way, and it's
a it's a larger conversation, but I think it it
will this will be a case study. This will certainly
be a case study moving forward. Again, I mentioned the
two the two brothers, the one that played for Maryland,
the one that played for Clemson and then then went
to Florida State, they were using the transfer portal to
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make more money as well, and there was never any
type of fallout on them. I just think that for me,
the rules of engagement here went down a different lane
Q and it shed a light on where this could
potentially go in terms of how players approach it. I
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think it made you know, Nico radioactive, and I don't
think that they personally. I don't think him in his
camp handled this the right way to keep themselves from
falling under the wrath of what comes with a sport
that has been amateurism for so long and now is
(34:46):
not that And you played hardball, and he's kind of
seemingly the most notable to do this at this moment
in time. So I think it's a learning experience, that's
what I ultimately, and it should be a learned experience
for the players too. If you're gonna leave the school
or you're gonna play hardball with the school that you're
at to try to get more money out of it,
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don't think that it's always going to go your way.
And sometimes you got to be prepared to play the
head and that you're your dealt. Some would say Nico did.
We'll see how it plays out for him. Personally, I
would not do anything like this Q unless I already
had something lined up. If I got that number somewhere
else and I can say, you know what, these people
(35:28):
have been talking to my representation, let's go from there.
I get it, But I don't think that that was
the case here. So you know, I don't know why
they handled it the way that they did, But I
think college football I don't.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I think they learned from it. I don't.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
I don't think that this is something that is like
like horrible, like oh my gosh, this is the end
of the world, even though some people cry that, yeah understood,
I mean that would be tampering.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
If you're under contract and you've got some of their
places that you're under contract with. Now I now you
even know that happens in a lot of places, in
a lot of different realms. But that would be My
one pushback is you'd like to have some sort of formality,
And speaking of formality, in about twenty minutes from now,
we're going to get to that because there are some
powers that be working to provide some stability, to provide
(36:16):
some structure around the game of college football. But coming
up next year, on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
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Speaker 2 (37:25):
We call this sometimes you can't get to everything in
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Speaker 3 (37:37):
All right, Lee, what do we got?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Guys? We do have a trend going on in the
world of sports, and that is uh.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Page Becker's going number one overall in the WUNBA draft
to the Dallas Wings.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Good job, I'm not ready for God.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Good for her.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Yeah, good job. Good story in the world of the WNB.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Var okay?
Speaker 6 (38:05):
All right, got Caitlin Clark last year, Page Becker, Oh,
we get the point. We sat in the year before that,
she was great.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
We get the point. League. What what's next on the list?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Page Becker went number one? Like we got it. Well,
I'm saying, you know, congrats, congrats to Dallas. How are
they doing with Caitlyn Hayley.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
How are those Master's ratings?
Speaker 7 (38:25):
The Master's ratings are at an all time high. Since
I think it's twenty eighteen, Sorry, I'm skipping ahead here
in the notes. When Patrick Reid took it in twenty eighteen,
of course, Tiger Woodson twenty nineteen. Now we have twenty
twenty four. Rory McElroy. I saw the uh some different
numbers here. I saw nineteen million as a peak number, which.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Is count not one of those nineteen million people. By
the way, it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Oh yeah, it is twenty twenty five. Sorry, couldn't you
see that?
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Still?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yikes, it's the most watched since what twenty eighteen?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Is?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Ever? That is correct? Okay? I mean based on how
dramatic it was at the end and how close it was.
I mean at one point I think it had a
three or four way tie, you'd have to imagine that
what's going to be the case. But here's the thing.
It's great for the PGA, so it's great for golf.
The problem is one of the guys who was in
the second to start the day is a live golfer
(39:19):
named Bryce and d Chambeau. So as awesome as it was,
it only goes to show you too, like the golf
golf needs both those tours to come together. Yeah they do.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Is Bryson now the new face of choking in golf?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Is that what it is? I mean, I don't know
that he choked. I don't I'm not sure he really
had command of it, right, I kind of felt like
it was Rory's tournament to lose at that point.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
Yeah, well, good job to the Masters. And that's your
uh in case you missed it for the day Phyllis.
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I'm Brady Quinn, that's LeVar Arrington, and we got some
stuff to talk about today as as we count down
to the NFL Draft that's just about what nine days
away before the first round, and we get to find
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out how things are gonna shake out now the odds
we'll get to at some point later on the show,
because it feels like they're starting to shape up based
on what we're seeing from the betting markets. Yeah, but
we are getting some news like this is kind of
late in the game too. Shudo Sanders, the former quarterback
at Colorado, kind of polarizing for some out there. He's
(02:09):
gonna have a private workout with the New York Giants.
Interesting again, from my experience, I don't know how late
up to the draft you were doing visits and workouts,
but I can't recall during my time doing a workout
or having a visit this close to the draft, usually
that the hey was in the barn. As they say,
(02:30):
is this odd to you the timing of doing a
private workout at this point?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I would say yes in most circumstances. But Shador isn't
a number one draft big guy. He's up there. No, no, no,
I don't want that to be taking a roll away.
I'm not saying, I mean, how do you want to
take that? Because he's not going to go number one?
(02:56):
So I'll say and look at what New York is
is what direction they're trying to go in. I felt
like them bringing in Russell Wilson maybe put an end
to the idea of taking.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
A quarterback with your draft pick.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But there's the strong possibility that they're they're considering and
keeping the door open based upon maybe a couple different factors,
one factor being are they totally sold on the fact
that they can truly improve their defense by adding Abdul Carter.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think that's where we're at right now in your way,
all right, Well you asked for it, I'm gonna give
it to you. Give it you because there's a theory,
all right. And here are the odds right now as
it currently stands for what picks one through five are
going to look like. As we've got an update in
the past probably twenty four hours, Will Campbell has become
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the favorite to go number four to the New England Patriots,
and minus what five Mason Graham, now the dtackle out
of Michigan. He has solidified himself as the favorite to
go at the number five spot at this point. Now
I shouldn't have named that take Will sure, but if
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you'll let me get to it. I shouldn't have named
the actual pick because this is where it gets an
Adul Carter, who's the favorite to go three. There's a
theory that this workout by the New York Giants maybe
in an effort to actually trade back out of the
number three spot. Because we talked about it before, it's
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not necessarily a huge need for another edge rusher given
their roster as compared to some of the other teams
that have a big time need for any edge rusher.
So there's a thought that maybe the Giants trade back,
accumulate more draft picks, and you could actually get Shador
Sanders a long with additional draft compensation, So your quarterback
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potentially of the future, even though you've got to cut
you know, some veterans there, but also some of a
different additional draft compensation for someone who really wants Abdul Carter.
How does that hit you?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I think it makes sense. I think it's a.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Again, if you're not totally sold on the idea that
who you want you're totally locked in on. So whether
it's whether it's that what you said, strategizing to build
the value of Shador to make somebody want to move
and I think we did have this conversation that if.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Your New Orleans I would assume New Orleans would be
the team. It could be, I mean, it could be
a host.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Of teams that actually would would possibly try to make
that move.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
But the bigger question to me, listening to what you're
saying is.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Do who do you think that there's a team out
there that values Shador Sanders at three? Because I'm saying
to myself, if I'm doing a late workout with Shador,
it's do I not fully buy into Jamis and Russell
and the pies on passion, or do I feel as
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though one of those guys are expendable and can go
and we bring in our quarterback of the future and
we can give him time, which it would be Shador Sanders.
We give him time by having Russell Wilson here to
teach him and carry our team until he's ready. Or
you look at it from the perspective you said, and
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you're trying to build value up for that pick in
that position, because the only way you're trying to move
up to three, I would assume these days, is to
get a quarterback. So maybe you're doing it to see
what the interest level is for him. But but my
I guess my thought process Q would be why would
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you do that when I feel like the market is
kind of spoken on him somewhat and it almost says
that the only real chance he has of going this
early in the draft is either to a New York
Giants team or the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
And I'm not so certain that any one of.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Those two teams are going to take a quarterback with
their draft pick this early in the draft. So if
I'm a team, why would I give up? Why would
I give up real draft capital to try to get
a player that I believe will fall to where where
we're at pick wise? Anyway, I think that would be
the better question. What team would want to do that?
(07:51):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'm not sure that's how I look at this. I
think the way I look at it is it's not
so much about shod or Sanders. It's more about out.
Who would trade take out to a Carter?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
By far and away I don't know. Find now that
cam Ward's going number one and Travis Hunter is going
number two to Cleveland, then you look at the Giants
and say, what team is in dire needs? Of an
edge rusher.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
So who would you know that that's a better, that's
a see. I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I don't know that a team is going at again
in these this day and age. I just don't know
if a team is going to trade up to try
to get anything outside of a quarterback. It just doesn't
feel like that's where things are. But I mean, I
heard the gossip about the uh, the player out of
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Jacksonville not won in Mason Graham.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I know that the the city didn't fit with their team.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
We've got okay, we'll get to that. Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I don't know if if that's something that maybe Jacksonville
may toss around, because Jacksonville could use an AD rusher.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
The New York Giant, I mean, the Jets, they could use.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
An ad rusher, The Carolina Panthers could use an aedge rusher.
So really, in essence, we're basically saying pretty much every team,
including the New Orleans Saints, could use an AD rusher.
Now the question becomes, do you value Abdul Carter that highly?
And I would say yes, because I think he's the
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I mean, obviously, you know McShay or who's the other guy,
the legendary guy that does the draft, mel Kiper He
clearly has has posted him as the highest graded prospect
in this year's draft. I think he, along with Ashton
Genty are to me the biggest shoe ins to be
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very productive football players early, like immediately.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
I think they can impact a team that they go to.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
So if you're looking at it from that high of
a perspective and a standard of how you're looking at him,
then I wouldn't see how there would be any issue
with trading up to three to possibly get that pick.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
So the teams, I believe you mentioned them kind of
the well, you talked about the Jets, you talked about
the Jaguars. Did you mention the Panthers, because that's kind
of a team that did. What's interesting about them is,
not only do they kind of have a need to
sign DJ one him last year, Clowney plays Chadavian Clowney
plays the other outside linebacker spot, and so it kind
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of could make some sense, but it's a little bit
ridiculous when you think about the fact that they would
be trading with a team in the New York Giants
who they let Brian Burns go to like. That just
blows my mind if that was to actually take place.
By the way, last year, in the first round of
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the draft, there are five trades now, one of which
was the Minnesota Vikings trading up the number ten with
the New York Jets to take JJ McCarthy, So that
was for a quarterback. Then you had the Vikings trading
up to number seventeen of the Jacksonville Jaguars to take
an edge rusher in Dallas. Turner Detroit also traded up
with the Dallas Cowboys to take Terry on Arnold at cornerback.
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So there's definitely a precedent for teams trading up, at
least in recent history. And you can probably go through
the years to take a non quarterback, and you could
I could probably go back even further, but I don't
think it's outside the realm of possibility for any of
those teams to trade up, only because Abdul Carter seems
to have separate himself from the rest of edge rushers
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in this draft. So if that's the case, and you
want to get a guy that you view as you
know we've heard before teams phrased it as a gold
jacket guy and if you believe he's a gold jacket
guy or the best prospect as you touched on, don't
you think it's kind of worth it? I mean, what
does it matter if you have, for example, you know
you're giving up a couple other draft picks, when in reality,
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are those guys even gonna be able to make your
roster where you've got one guy who will assure you
of being a first round you know, draft pick impact.
So I look at it and say, like, I think
it's definitely possible a team would trade up. I think
what's more interesting about it is how these odds have
solidified themselves kind of early on, but the late workout
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for Shador Sanders the Giants leads me to think maybe
they're trying to check all the boxes with how this
first round could play out. And we've had varying opinions,
you know. I think Albert Breers come on and said
he doesn't know if there'll be a lot of trades,
and you've heard other people say I think there'll be
a lot of trades. It's gonna be fascinating to see
what happens. The other thing that came out yesterday about
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shad Or Sanders that is actually getting a lot of
I guess conversation around it is Shador Sanders getting his
number retired at Colorado number two along with Travis Hunter
number twelve. Now, I don't think anyone has an issue
with Travis Hunter getting his number retired. He won the Heisman.
I mean, he was phenomenal. He did something that we
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very rarely seen that sport. But Shador Standers drew a
lot of backlash from folks. And I'm curious, how did
it hits you when you when you saw this news,
did you feel like it was warranted?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
I'll say this, I think we all know. I think
we all know the why of it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I think all of it put together, if you want
to retire Chador's number and Travis Hunter's number, I don't
have a crazy issue with it, because Shador Sanders marked
the change, the turnaround, and the return to a level
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of prominence that I mean. I mean, I'd say relevance
because they have had really good teams in the past,
you know, with Cordell Stewart and Darien Hagen and those
type b enemy, those type of guys Westbrook, but the
relevance that what he represented to them, I think would warrant.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think it would warrant.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
A very very.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
High level of respect, so to speak. He was a
first a first team All American by multiple publications. So
I mean he puts himself in, He puts himself in
the conversation of being a college football Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
So I don't I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
If he's a unanimous or he's a what's the other one,
unanimous and consensus. If he's unanimous and consensus, all can
I think you can take your pick. I think the
better question I guess for me would be how do
the other players that have had their jerseys retired UH
(15:11):
in the past, you know, if they're still around, how
how would they How do they feel about that? I'm
certain should uh dion coach Sanders probably well, knowing him
because everybody loves him, he probably had that conversation with
other guys that hold that same distinction before that decision
(15:32):
was made by the university, I would assume.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So there will now be six players with their jersey
retired at the University of Colorado or Colorado University.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Excuse me? Who are they?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well? And and that's where I get to this, and
this is why I don't have an issue with it.
You know a lot of people feel like this is
like a coach prime move. First off, it doesn't matter
who's coach at Colorado. If one of your players the Heisman,
you're going to retire his number. Because that's exactly what
they did with Rashaun Salam who is the nineteen ninety
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four Heisman Trophy winner. So number nineteen has been retired
since twenty seventeen, and rightfully so. Now there's three other players.
Bobby Anderson, who's the quarterback. He was honored for his
versatility and impact, including cu to a number three ranking
in nineteen sixty nine. Now, Bobby Anderson, you know, for
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many out there is probably remembered by Colorado fans and
some college football fans. He was before my time. But
you know, when you say it gets Colorado to a
number three ranking, I don't know, Lee, if you would
look this up quick, what's the highest that Colorado got
during the time of Shador Sanders there? And the only
reason I asked that is they became relevant after a
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team that was quite possibly the worst team in college
football before they got there. So when you talk about
you know, leading a team and bring it up. There
was no doubt that took place. You know that the
two players are Byron Wizard, White, halfback. He's a consensus
All American and actually Letter was a US Supreme Court justice,
so pretty cool. But number twenty four is retired. Then
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number sixty seven Joe Rammig who was a Garden linebacker's
a two time All American and Rhodes Scholar. So you're
talking about guys who you know played at a high level.
To your point, Shador was either a first or second
team All American.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Uh got to multiple I believe they got. I think
that's the highest.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Sixteenth days was the highest.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I don't want to say I thought I was on
the team, Okay, but I mean to your point, he
was the first or second team All American, won the
Johnny United, you know, our arm Award. When you look
at Colorado football history as far as the quarterback goes, yeah,
I think you can justify it, like I think you
can legitimately justify it. I don't know that it needs
(17:59):
to come with a national championship with some of the
other things that I think people you know, want to
point to. And he set single season records, he said
you know, plenty of records too for his passing, and
some might argue what they threw all the time, but yeah, okay,
that's because he's gonna be a first round pick. Like
you'd hope he'd throw all the time. It's because he
was throwing to the number two overall pick as it
(18:20):
currently stands in Travis Hunter and some of the other
guys are gonna get drafted. So I don't really don't
have an issue with it. I think there's a lot
of jealousy born out of it. And you know, honestly,
it's like, what do you care if? I mean, there's
other people at Colorado who signed on to this. This
wasn't just like coach Prime's decision. And like I said,
(18:41):
but Travis Hunter things a no brainer. And forra Door Sanders,
when's the last quarterback they've had that has really actually
been a legitimate prospect number one draft pick, first round
draft pick. I mean, Cordell Stewart's the first guy that
kind of comes to mind.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Cordell Stoart was really a phenomenal dual threat quarterback. Darien
Hagen's same type of quarterback, but I don't know that
their games translated the same way.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It would in today's today's game.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I don't think they were as highly rated coming out,
in fact, I mean interestingly enough. Maybe coincidentally or irony,
I don't know. But you know, Cordell going to Pittsburgh,
we got an opportunity to see him, you know, develop,
And if you recall, he wasn't even really used as
a quarterback too much often early on in his career.
(19:35):
That's why he earned the nickname slash. You know, they
were using them at receiver, they were running them around
on end and rounds. I think he was returning, you know,
kickoffs and stuff like that. So he was doing a
lot of utility work early on in his career and
then ended up eventually taking over the job. But I
don't recall him being crazy, crazy highly rated coming out.
(20:00):
People knew he had a pretty pretty strong career at Colorado,
and ultimately they remember him for to play against Michigan
to heave hove to to Michael Westbrook. But yeah, i'd
say Michael Westbrook was probably you know, I mean, I
don't know who. I think Westbrook was a first rounder
I believe now. I don't know who the ID have.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
To book it up, but I think the general point
bringing up Courdell story, just to stay on track here is,
you know, here's I don't think there is a quarterback. Yeah,
I don't think he's a second team All American. He
finished thirteenth in the Heisman Trophy voting. He was inducted
into the Colorado Athletic Hall of Fame, and he set
some records while he was there. But you know, look,
(20:43):
if you want to compare Shtor Sanders and what he
did this past year, he broke all those records. He
was a first or second team All American, one Quarterback
of the Year award, finished eighth in the Heisman. So
there's a lot to be said. And that's why I
feel like, again people will have an issue with this.
We're going to have an issue with Shador Sanders, coach
(21:04):
prime Travis Hunter regardless. And that's where I'm like, why
does it matter to you? You know that's the decision
they want to make. Then want to honor them for
what he was able to do in the two years there,
you're kind of missing the point, like they were able
to elevate Colorado back to a program where for example,
when when Nico Iamalaiava is roomed at looking at transferring Oregon,
(21:26):
Ohio State Colorado. You weren't hearing that three years ago.
People were trying to get out of there. They weren't
going there. So I look at it and say, I
have no issue with this whatsoever. And again, more people
were evolved than I think. You know, people probably believe
in the back of their minds in regards to retiring
(21:48):
a jersey, that's not much the coach prime decision. That's
going to be an athletics department decision on how that's
going to be received and how that's all going to
work out.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, because I mean his time will eventually I'm and
gone too.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
So when you make a decision as big as retiring
a number, there's definitely going to be more people that
are involved with what's taking place. But make no mistake
about it as it applies to Shador, there's still that
influence and definitely, in my estimation probably to some degree,
(22:22):
being driven by Dion saying this is why their jersey
should be retired because this happened immediately. I mean I
would say, how quickly do guys get their jerseys retired?
Que Like some of the greatest that have ever played
the game. You know, time elapses before you retire their jersey.
(22:44):
I mean, to retire these guys as jersey immediately upon
their departure from the school. That says there's an influence there,
and I think we all know what that influence would be.
But look again, I don't think it's unjust, though you're.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Probably not wrong in that. Like as far as the
timing of it, one of the things that I feel
like gets lost in all of it is, isn't it
kind of nice to honor them on their way out?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Though?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, you're you're expecting them to say, well, yeah,
we could do it later on and so they'll come back.
It's like, well, why don't you just do it now?
Like why do you have to wait? If that's the
impact of them at that moment. I mean, they did
that for Tom Brady, didn't they did, or put them
(23:30):
in the Ring of Honor or whatever, put them in
the Ring of Honor something.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
To that effect, and they say you got to have
a wait period, or usually because of the pageantry of
the game, they say there's a waiting period that takes
place now to that, this, that, and the other. But
you know what, prime is always going to push the
envelope for what it is that he does. I think
he's doing a hell of a job continuing to keep
the spotlight on the program. His son could possibly go
(23:54):
number three. I don't think that happens, but it's a
great conversation. Nonetheless, and at the end of the day,
Travis Hunter is going to go number two or number
three in the draft.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
He's done an excellent job.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
When's the first time or when's the time you had
this has got to be the first time you've had
two prospects, let alone one prospect rated so highly in
the NFL Draft. So, I mean, I could be wrong,
But with that being said, I still think that it's
still a conversation. That's a debate as to is this
two of the greatest players to play for for Colorado
(24:28):
Football being a high in the draft. So listen, I
think it's all justified. People have an issue if they want,
But he's done an excellent job of making Colorado football
and Colorado relevant and he doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Coming up next on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
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We'll talk about on the other side. That's next on
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Speaker 2 (24:53):
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Speaker 3 (25:07):
It's two Pros and a Kip with Joe. I'm Britty Quinn,
that's LeVar Arrington, No Jonas Knox. Today. It's taking a
couple of days off. I'll be back with us on Thursday.
You know, I was reading a column earlier today by
Richard Johnson of cbssports dot Com, and I think he
titles it or phrases it the best. He says amateurism
is dead and professionalism never showed up. Now he's referring
(25:31):
to Nico Iamaliava's saga with Tennessee and how it wasn't
the professionalism of college sports. It's a train wreck, and
he's not wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I think as we're going from amateurism to more professionalism,
it's going to be a bumpy ride and this is
part of that. And I think a lot of people
can view the Nico iam Maliava situation and say it's
ugly It's what makes things bad about college sports. When
you have a player do something like this. Some would
(26:07):
argue coaches do this every year. Coaches look for a
better opportunity, don't honor the contracts they signed and bounce. Now,
the timing of all that, I mean, you could even
potentially say, all right, there's a difference though, like a
coach may do that, but so can kind of a player.
(26:30):
And then now there's two windows to do that as
a player. You know, for a coach, there's really not
multiple windows to do it. You don't do it in
the middle of the season. You're getting fired if you're
not there any longer. And typically it happens at the
end of a season when the opening comes open and
you're trying to build that team going into spring and
heading into the summer. So I understand everyone wants to
(26:50):
make the argument that, hey, these players should have the
same opportunity the coaches do. Well, they actually do. They
can leave whenever the heck they want, twice a year.
And by the way, if their coach leaves, another portal
window opens for them to then leave and go where
they see fit. So let's not distort what's happening, right,
(27:11):
now in college sports, and let's not use Nico Iomliava's
situation and then kind of apply it generally to everything.
Nico's situation was unique, and you tell me if I'm wrong, LeVar,
But he's the first player that I can recall that
had an nil deal of I want to say, reportedly
(27:31):
eight million walking in the door, at least public reported.
He was one of the first guys where it was like,
that's how much this university thinks about this kid, Josh
Haipel and everyone else there thinks about him. They're willing
to offer him millions before he's done anything. So that
(27:53):
to me was different. And how his father, who at
least reportedly now is re seeming a lot of the blame.
The agents are probably at fault as well, and there's
a lot of people at fault when it's all said
and done. Maybe you could even say Tennessee should be
at fault to ever agreeing to a four year deal
with a kid before he ever steps foot on campus,
(28:16):
Like did you kind of make that bed? Don't you
kind of have to lay in it now? I mean,
I've heard stories from coaches LeVar back in the day
where some of these teams would be paying these kids
under the table, and they'd be paying them so much
that there's times where they're like, I hope he doesn't
come to my school. And the reason why they said
(28:37):
that is not because they didn't think he was talented
or didn't think he could be a star. It's because
they knew if he came to their school, it was
never going to be enough. Like once they got the
bagman to come bring him a bag of cash. The
problem is he's gonna be asking for it, just like
Nico was before the spring game, before the next year.
If you want him to stay, and that was back
(28:58):
when you had obviously penalties for transferring it to sit
out a year and everything else that goes along with it.
So I sit here and as much as we want
to again, and I probably should give a recap for
those who don't know. Niko Io Maliava, starting quarterback for
Tennessee this past year, decided to not plan the spring game,
which prompted the University of Tennessee Josh Hipel to say,
(29:22):
you should just go ahead end of the transfer portal
because you're reportedly wanted four million as opposed to the
two point four million that he had agreed to. And
this has actually been going on since before the playoff game.
Now as more reports have surfaced that they were trying
to figure out a way of negotiating this increase in
what his pay should be because they feel like that's
(29:45):
market value. Well, now he's going to find out what
market value is. By the way, Yeah, for those who
have been following this, North Carolina coach Bill Belichick, the goat,
he somehow got roped into this as well as one
of the teams that be looking at it was Ohio State,
it was Oregon, Colorado got thrown in there. And and
(30:06):
meanwhile that you U and see pops up. So you
and c now as a team you can cross off
that list. Apparently they're not interested. So it appears that
his dad and his agent whoever else you want to
point to, has ever played their hand, and it looks
like the most likely teams will end up at his
UCLA and Tulane. Now you could tell me, but does
(30:29):
UCLA or Tulane have a robust collective or nil fundraising?
Speaker 5 (30:34):
They do not.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
They do, so, in fact, that's one of the biggest
things I do not know about Tulane. I will say that,
but I do know one based upon you know, man
doing his his U c l A with one of
the teams.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Hot.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, man, Man, that was one of the teams that
was high on his list was U c l A.
Loves the academics, uh, loves coach Foster, loves loves the
people around there.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Oh, they do not have They don't have the money
to compete with the big dogs in terms of the
money that they're offering.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
So no, and let me give you some more insight
into the direction that UNC is going. They'd rather assign
South Alabama quarterback Geo Lopez instead. Now, this doesn't take
anything away from Nico. I think he's got a lot
of upside and potential and I think you saw flashes
of what he could do last year, but too oftentimes,
(31:27):
especially in some of the big games, he just didn't
really show up. And that's okay, Like he can he
can continue to develop, I'm sure if he gets the
right opportunity somewhere else and some time to develop chemistry
with the guys he's throwing to learn the system. I
think that's the difficulty for him now is in a
year where I really thought he could have been a
(31:47):
first round pick. After this year at Tennessee. Now that
kind of throws everything up into the wind because he's
gonna have to learn a new system, develop that chemistry,
get settled somewhere else. That's tough to do. It's tough
to do for a pro let alone a kid who's
in college, and we're not quite calling that professional yet.
But by the way, Geo Lopez really good player of
(32:08):
South Alabama. You know, played some of the freshman last year.
I had a great years of sophomore over three three
thousand yards from scrimmage, twenty five total touchdowns. So I'm
not saying that, you know, hey, this is just some
you know, lower level guy Geo Lopez can play. But
it gives you a sense of what at least Bill
Belichick and his crew have seen from Nico on tape
(32:32):
and how much he's asking for and them saying, yeah,
that doesn't really pair for us, right. I think Bill
Belichick was one of the best at trying to find
value in players and not overpaying guys during his time
in New England, and he's probably trying to apply that
same strategy at the college level. So what more updates
about this? I mean, I'll be curious to see where
(32:55):
he ends up. I mean, and another thing I'll just
ask is do you think this is good or bad
for college football?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
This h I think I think it's bad for him personally.
I think it's bad for I don't know how I
think it's worse for him. I think it's bad for
Tennessee because they lose a quality player. I don't care
what anybody says about them, that was a quality player
for their team and one of the catalysts of them
making it as far as they did. And I think
(33:21):
it's a learning experience for you know, college football. You
have to to take these type of scenarios and you
have to learn what are what what are the rules
of engagement moving forward? Is what I would say. Because
there's so many different ways things could be handled. There's
so many different ways this could have played out, and
(33:42):
you know, it played out the wrong way, and it's
a it's a larger conversation, but I think it it
will this will be a case study. This will certainly
be a case study moving forward. Again, I mentioned the
two the two brothers, the one that played for Maryland,
the one that played for Clemson and then then went
to Florida State, they were using the transfer portal to
(34:05):
make more money as well, and there was never any
type of fallout on them. I just think that for me,
the rules of engagement here went down a different lane
Q and it shed a light on where this could
potentially go in terms of how players approach it. I
(34:25):
think it made you know, Nico radioactive, and I don't
think that they personally. I don't think him in his
camp handled this the right way to keep themselves from
falling under the wrath of what comes with a sport
that has been amateurism for so long and now is
(34:46):
not that And you played hardball, and he's kind of
seemingly the most notable to do this at this moment
in time. So I think it's a learning experience, that's
what I ultimately, and it should be a learned experience
for the players too. If you're gonna leave the school
or you're gonna play hardball with the school that you're
at to try to get more money out of it,
(35:08):
don't think that it's always going to go your way.
And sometimes you got to be prepared to play the
head and that you're your dealt. Some would say Nico did.
We'll see how it plays out for him. Personally, I
would not do anything like this Q unless I already
had something lined up. If I got that number somewhere
else and I can say, you know what, these people
(35:28):
have been talking to my representation, let's go from there.
I get it, But I don't think that that was
the case here. So you know, I don't know why
they handled it the way that they did, But I
think college football I don't.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I think they learned from it. I don't.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
I don't think that this is something that is like
like horrible, like oh my gosh, this is the end
of the world, even though some people cry that, yeah understood,
I mean that would be tampering.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
If you're under contract and you've got some of their
places that you're under contract with. Now I now you
even know that happens in a lot of places, in
a lot of different realms. But that would be My
one pushback is you'd like to have some sort of formality,
And speaking of formality, in about twenty minutes from now,
we're going to get to that because there are some
powers that be working to provide some stability, to provide
(36:16):
some structure around the game of college football. But coming
up next year, on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
We have a trend.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yes, we have a trend starting in the WNBA two
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Speaker 2 (36:32):
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Speaker 3 (36:43):
Loren, Now, I'm going to assume when you made that sound,
you're telling us our MIC's are hot.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Heck, yeah, man, that's exactly what I'm.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, man, sure, I don't speak werewolf. By the way,
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Now it's time for a little something.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
We call this sometimes you can't get to everything in
the world of sports or entertainment. Good thing, the guys
are here to bring you in case you missed it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
All right, Lee, what do we got?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Guys? We do have a trend going on in the
world of sports, and that is uh.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Page Becker's going number one overall in the WUNBA draft
to the Dallas Wings.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Good job, I'm not ready for God.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Good for her.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Yeah, good job. Good story in the world of the WNB.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Var okay?
Speaker 6 (38:05):
All right, got Caitlin Clark last year, Page Becker, Oh,
we get the point. We sat in the year before that,
she was great.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
We get the point. League. What what's next on the list?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Page Becker went number one? Like we got it. Well,
I'm saying, you know, congrats, congrats to Dallas. How are
they doing with Caitlyn Hayley.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
How are those Master's ratings?
Speaker 7 (38:25):
The Master's ratings are at an all time high. Since
I think it's twenty eighteen, Sorry, I'm skipping ahead here
in the notes. When Patrick Reid took it in twenty eighteen,
of course, Tiger Woodson twenty nineteen. Now we have twenty
twenty four. Rory McElroy. I saw the uh some different
numbers here. I saw nineteen million as a peak number, which.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Is count not one of those nineteen million people. By
the way, it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Oh yeah, it is twenty twenty five. Sorry, couldn't you
see that?
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Still?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yikes, it's the most watched since what twenty eighteen?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Is?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Ever? That is correct? Okay? I mean based on how
dramatic it was at the end and how close it was.
I mean at one point I think it had a
three or four way tie, you'd have to imagine that
what's going to be the case. But here's the thing.
It's great for the PGA, so it's great for golf.
The problem is one of the guys who was in
the second to start the day is a live golfer
(39:19):
named Bryce and d Chambeau. So as awesome as it was,
it only goes to show you too, like the golf
golf needs both those tours to come together. Yeah they do.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Is Bryson now the new face of choking in golf?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Is that what it is? I mean, I don't know
that he choked. I don't I'm not sure he really
had command of it, right, I kind of felt like
it was Rory's tournament to lose at that point.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
Yeah, well, good job to the Masters. And that's your
uh in case you missed it for the day Phyllis.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Okay, we've got a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Want to go page, Good job, page,
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